Bits: Renderings and Electioneering
by Keith Quinn on Jul 31, 2011 10:42 AM EDT
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[Updated with more of the same on the arena at 07/31/11 3:02 PM EDT ]
The rendering; she's a lovely beast isn't she Nassau? It looks like it's us against the world folks. If we come, they may build it.
Strangely enough, there continues to be opposition in the form of semi-local sports writers who are against the arena referendum for the Islanders. George Vecsey seems to think the "figures seem suspect" and basically that we'd all just become Ranger or Devil fans or something [NY Times] and Larry Brooks (oh Brooksie) makes this claim [NY Post]:
Brooklyn residents in the 1950s probably would have killed for the right to spend the adjusted equivalent of $100 or so a year — that’s what it may amount to for each Nassau County household — to have kept the Dodgers in Flatbush.
Alan Hahn, the former Islander beat writer prior to Greg Logan, who gave way to Katie Strang, took to twitter this week to voice his disapproval of the arena plan on the grounds of Nassau maintaining control of the property. Which is probably correct, it's just that hey, options are in short supply right now. After the jump, some appropriate Nassau County political music and a couple of links.
This far, there aren't too many hockey/arena links for today but we will do our best to update as things become available. As always, feel free to add links in the comment thread. The time is upon us now. Let's get out there and do what we can to make this happen...I just want to tell you good luck...we're all counting on you.
Your New York Islanders August 1 referendum primer | ProHockeyTalk
PHT puts many of the pertinent links in the same place for us.
Coliseum vote may raise tax-cap issue
Newsday Editorial: Vote yes for new Nassau arena
Q-and-A on Coliseum referendum issue -Randi Marshall [Newsday]
Mottau on the NHL comeback trail - Brockton, MA - The Enterprise
The Checking Line | New York Islanders | We're All Islanders: Reasons For Voting Yes
Lido Beach Rally Being Held In Support Of New Nassau Coliseum Ahead Of Project Vote " CBS New York
Links added at 3:00 pm:
Referendum on potential new home for Islanders approaches - 2011 Offseason News
Opinion: Voting Yes on the Coliseum Proposal - Plainview, NY Patch
'As Long Islanders, we need this destination.'
Islanders owner 'confident' in new Coliseum vote - NYPOST.com Brett Cyrgalis
Future of the Islanders hangs in the balance of Aug. 1 vote - Puck Daddy - NHL Blog - Yahoo! Sports
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Surely you can't be serious.
Official choice of Lighthouse Dog #1.
by Fabtraption on Jul 31, 2011 11:01 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
I am serious
and don’t call me Shirley. If the referendum loses, this should be the goal song for the next 3 seasons right? Love this song. I feel like a goal horn in there could work.
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by Keith Quinn on Jul 31, 2011 11:03 AM EDT up reply actions
That man's name was George Zipp
So let’s get out there and win one for the Zipper!
"He's depriving some small village of a pretty good idiot" - Mike Milbury on Ziggy Palffy's agent Paul Kraus during Palffy's contract holdout in 1998.
I've got to concentrate ... concentrate ... conentrate ...
Hello … hello … is there an echo … echo … echo? Striker … Striker .. Striker…
Lighthouse Hockey: A flute with no holes is not a flute. A Dane with no holes is Frans Nielsen.
Chumps don' want no 'reener, chumps don' GET da 'reener!
I voted absentee yes, btw. I’ll be in the woods of the lovely Gilbert Lake, NY when our biggest announcement ever is made.
"Seriously that's the last time you guys f#@%ing won?" -RSH (about beating the Penguins in '93)
This may be a good sign
Wasn’t there big (good) news last time you went out into the woods? Like KO/Grabner contracts or something.
If I’m misremembering, just pretend I didn’t ask.
Lighthouse Hockey: A flute with no holes is not a flute. A Dane with no holes is Frans Nielsen.
"................ "
That was me checking my memory. Checked my calendar and I regret to inform that I was here for those signings. Was it TMC when she went west?
Maybe it WAS other good news…when did this whole areener referendum get announced, cuz I think I was away for that?
"Seriously that's the last time you guys f#@%ing won?" -RSH (about beating the Penguins in '93)
weren't you in the woods Dom for the Night of the Penguins Slaughter?
I think you should take a personal day tomorrow and get in some fishing. I’m sure your boss will understand.
This is a good point
Yes, basically I missed the Penguins slaughter, the Grabner hat trick, and some other joy. Maybe I take a long walk off a short pier Monday.
Seem to remember something big happening when Bryan was doing New Mexico, but it could be the herbal essences talking.
Lighthouse Hockey: A flute with no holes is not a flute. A Dane with no holes is Frans Nielsen.
Pardon my French, but...
Fuck you, George Vecsey. First of all, how hard is it for people, even at the august New York Times, to understand that it’s only $58 a year if the county doesn’t get any money back from the team? They’re getting a MINIMUM of $14 million year back, which lowers the number dramatically. It could be more depending on the revenue. This is a somewhat pertinent stipulation of the lease, but too many writers both professional and amateur keep ignoring it.
Also forgotten in all of these articles is the fact that CHARLES WANG WON’T OWN THE LAND OR THE BUILDING. So Nassau is supposed to get a $350 million building on their own land and have Wang pay rent for the next 30 years his team plays there? Who is he, Santa Claus? Did he become a billionaire by being stupid? Sure, the county could sell the land and the building to him, as posited by that joker Jay Jacobs, but then the county can only sit back and probably get only tax money instead of a cut of all revenues. This way everyone shares the burden and makes money over time.
But the worst part of the piece is that he uses the same tack that every two-faced political hack that’s stuck his nose in this mess has been using, with his “…but I have fond memories of the old Islanders” proclamation. Bullshit. I do not, nor have I ever, owned a tin foil hat. But I get the sense that there is a very real media bias against the team. Maybe it stems back to Milbury or Maloney. Maybe it’s racism against the little guy with the funny accent who doesn’t follow the old boy NHL rules. Maybe it’s got nothing to do with the team and everything to do the craven cowardice that masquerades as civic leadership in Nassau County. But the overall consensus is that national hockey media couldn’t care less about the Islanders and whether they exist or not.
When the Thrashers were finally moved to Winnipeg, the tone of the majority of the stories was that the team never got a chance to thrive due to terrible, unfocused ownership. This is absolutely true. The majority of stories in major outlets covering the Islanders referendum is that the team stinks, the county’s finances stink, the owner’s rich and he should buy the arena. This narrative, while convenient, is mostly incorrect. Wang offered to build a complex four times the size of the one up for the referendum and was shot down by the small-minded lazy, petty scam artists running the Town of Hempstead. Again, he is going to be a tenant of the Coliseum, so he can’t or won’t “just buy it” for Nassau, which is justifiable. Would you build an apartment building with your time, money and hard work and then pay someone else so you can live there?
The team’s record had been terrible long before Wang bought the team. Mike Milbury was the guy who made the Islanders a national joke by giving away All Star players at bargain basement prices and scoring more with his mouth than on the ice. Wang’s crimes as an owner are: 1. Giving out two awful contracts (DiPietro and Yashin), 2. Trying to run the team by committee (which lasted all of three months or so), 3. being a stubborn old bastard who hung on to The Lighthouse Project too long. Not being an American or Canadian guy who’s spent a lifetime at the hockey rink is not an actual crime, unless you’re a hockey writer. Hiring the back-up goalie as the GM also is not a crime.
The final slap in the face happens when Vescey claims “the highlight” of last season was when 1,000 Nordiques fans attended that Islanders-Thrashers game. First of all, the target of the Quebecors that night was the Thrashers, who had already been pegged for relocation, and not the Islanders. I remember a few quotes from fans saying they respected the Islanders history and would not want to see them moved. The Islanders even welcomed the fans from Quebec on the Jumbotron.
But more importantly, this is a “highlight” only if it’s the lone hockey story you read last year. Not mentioned is Michael Grabner’s 34 goals and Calder Trophy nomination. Or Matt Moulson’s second straight 30-goal season. Or Grabner and Frans Nielsen leading the league in short-handed goals. Or P.A. Parenteau’s promotion from Rangers’ bench player to first line winger. Or the emergence of Al Montoya, going from an ECHL to NHL starter. Or John Tavares’ continued improvement at an age when he can’t even vote in the referendum we’re all talking about.
There are a million angles to this story, but I only keep reading the same one over and over again: Screw Charles Wang and the Islanders. So please save your breath. I don’t know how this vote will turn out, but I do know that a team with 40 years of history, eight hockey hall of famers, a slew of NHL records and four generations of fans is worth saving, whether the media that doesn’t give a shit about it 364 other days of the year thinks so or not.
/end rant
/I e-mailed this to Vecsey now
/minus the “Fuck You” part
"He's depriving some small village of a pretty good idiot" - Mike Milbury on Ziggy Palffy's agent Paul Kraus during Palffy's contract holdout in 1998.
by PGI on Jul 31, 2011 11:24 AM EDT reply actions 16 recs
should have
put in the fuck you part too!
"If the bell needs to be answered, we've got the guys to answer it." "If they want to start something, that's fine."- Trevor Gillies
I emailed him too but you win with a more awesome rant.
Hunter said he was just finishing his check.
by Turgeon1992 on Jul 31, 2011 11:35 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I E-mailed and Expressed Surprise They Let Him Write His Column from a Nursing Home
We should all go over to Amazon and post 1-star reviews of his new book Stan Musial: An American Life.
In fact, if this referendum doesn’t pass, Islanders fans all over should remember just who worked to oppose it and show their disapproval with their dollars.
by rmblifn on Jul 31, 2011 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Make a list
I’m in!
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Y'know, it just (re?) occurred to me.....
…..I wonder how much of this unbelievable vitriol from almost every local corner is due to Botta getting excommunicated from the Coliseum halls by Islander management…..
Not much, I think
It goes back further than that. I don’t know if there’s one thing that triggered it. I just know that it comes off as extraordinarily negative.
Nick from Let There Be Light(house) made the same point on Twitter last night. I had to retweet.
LetThereBeLH Nick Giglia
It amazes me that the media “powers that be” are running to save every other team….when it’s the #Isles it’s “Are they worth it?”
and
LetThereBeLH Nick Giglia
The Mets haven’t been perennial contenders in a very long time. The Jets haven’t won a Super Bowl in 42 yrs. Does that mean they should go?!
No offense to either team (I happen to be a Jets fan, too), but their records over the same time frame aren’t exactly spectacular, even with the Jets’ current resurgence. But if either of them were in the same boat as the Islanders, I know the media coverage would be quite different.
"He's depriving some small village of a pretty good idiot" - Mike Milbury on Ziggy Palffy's agent Paul Kraus during Palffy's contract holdout in 1998.
Exactly
And I meant no offense to either of those teams when I said it. I’m a Yankee fan, and I don’t really like football all that much, but there was never a question in my mind about whether the Mets and Jets were worth saving.
It’s amazing….the media calls the Islanders a doormat for 2 decades, and now that an entire generation of players grew up believing it, the same media are pointing to that sentiment as proof they were right.
by Nick (LetThereBeLighthouse) on Jul 31, 2011 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Kick ass rant PGI!
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by Keith Quinn on Jul 31, 2011 11:56 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I'm not entirely certain ...
I would have phrased it in Pretty Good Idiot’s particular verbiage, but good for you! I too resent Johnny-come-lately entries inserting themselves into the debate and voicing less than fully informed opinions from self-important media platforms. That goes for everyone from The Schmoozer on The Fan, who I often get a kick out of, and whose heart and mind I think are usually think in the right place, to the Pulitzer prize winning Vescey, who should know better than to come out one day before the vote with a half-ass slam job.
Meanwhile, I just read today’s piece by another sports “journalist” (whatever that’s worth), Larry Brooks, and if he’s not full of drek and a Barclay’s "arena/Nets rep" did seemingly go out of his or her way to tell him the arena will accommodate NHL hockey after all, then that is news. Possibly huge news.
And finished works don’t often resemble the artists’ renderings they promote, but this depiction does look pretty cool.
Meanwhile, I just read today’s piece by another sports "journalist" (whatever that’s worth), Larry Brooks, and if he’s not full of drek and a Barclay’s “arena/Nets rep” did seemingly go out of his or her way to tell him the arena will accommodate NHL hockey after all, then that is news. Possibly huge news.
I remember this point being made, too. But people nonetheless keep saying it wont. Its only me and Larry who say that it will lol.
Let Us Go, Islanders! (Ever notice how strange that sounds without the contraction?)
by TheMetalChick on Jul 31, 2011 12:27 PM EDT up reply actions
As mentor
Prokorov>Yashin. If this is the “worst case scenario”, it’s really not too bad. I wonder if CW would sell outright or just try to buy into a partnership with the arena.
You know what may make sense. Any arena’s naming rights should be NeuLion arena right? That’s probably an advertising writeoff for the company, a source of revenue for the team, and help to pay off the debt service all at once.
NY Islanders, just one irrational free agent signing away from contention!
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by Keith Quinn on Jul 31, 2011 12:43 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
A Wang/Rat/Prokhorov ...
partnership appeared to be a possibility until about a year ago, but then seemed to get shut down entirely. This clearly contradicts that. And of course, as someone who pretty much grew up in the Coliseum watching the Dr. J/Mr. K Nets and the Craig Cameron/Billy Harris Islanders, and would be able to walk in 5 minutes to see both teams again after all these years, I’m thinking Holy Moly!
Saying that this whole affair is an emotional roller coaster is like saying Washington doesn’t quite function smoothly.
by dose on Jul 31, 2011 12:56 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
The stuff I heard and read ...
most recently was all in the negative, that Barclay’s Center would accomodate ice-shows (ie. Sasha Cohen !!!!!!!!) but not an NHL rink, and that Prokhorov wanted no part of the Islanders or hockey. If Brooks’s account is legitimate, it turns all of that completely around.
Borat on ice?
Bruno? Ali G?
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by Keith Quinn on Jul 31, 2011 12:57 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I also remember this.
I believe it was when he got the approval to buy the team and then was asked the question in a interview with Francesa. He said that he doesn’t follow hockey and was not interested in buying the Islanders.
So now here's the big question
Aren’t most ice shows on a full size rink? Meaning that they are practiced an choreographed for at least NHL sized if not Olympic?
Now keeping that in mind, they would either have to remove seats for that too or use a smaller ice surface (which I doubt). I wonder if they are just keeping it quiet because it was a backup plan all along. It seems stupid to not make something multi-purpose like that.
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by Keith Quinn on Jul 31, 2011 6:07 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
What you say makes sense, but ...
I honestly know nothing about ice-shows other than some of the ladies are awesome. And if Sasha appears at the Barc, I’m going.
Backup Plan
This is EXACTLY what I was thinking.
Let’s face it…….CW is not a rich man for lack of thinking ahead. Most businessmen have Plan A, B, C, D, E. They put forethought into projects…..unlike TOH and Nassau County.
I am sure if this project does not go through at the current NVMC site, he has something up his sleeve to reserve moving vans for the summer of 2015 and tell Nassau County it’s been nice knowing ya.
"If the bell needs to be answered, we've got the guys to answer it." "If they want to start something, that's fine."- Trevor Gillies
It's Amazing That No One Can Settle The Barclay's Issue
I skimmed Loser Larry’s column today, as I usually do, since it’s always full of nonsense lacking any new information. But I had to stop and read that sentence twice about him calling the Nets to confirm the Barclay Center’s ability to accommodate hockey.
Can somebody in the press – hello Katie Strang! – please get someone to go on the record (or request and look at the plans) to confirm one way or another whether the building can host NHL hockey? That’s a pretty simple question to answer, right? It either does or doesn’t. You’d think people would want to know.
Maybe it is capable!
The Barclays Center will welcome some of the most exciting sports and entertainment events in the world: concerts, fine arts performances, circuses, college basketball games, ice shows, and music award shows are just some of the possibilities.
http://barclayscenter.com/venue/quick_facts.shtml
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Also this
Located atop one of the three largest transportation hubs in New York City, the Barclays Center will be directly accessible by nine subway lines and the Long Island Rail Road.
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It makes no sense...
to build this arena and not have the capability for hockey.
Exactly
And even if Prokhorov isn’t a big hockey fan, I’m sure he’s open to making more money anyway. Whether Wang just occupies the arena or Prokhorov buys the team, there will be some way for that arena to fit in a hockey team if they’re going to promote on-ice events anyway.
Official choice of Lighthouse Dog #1.
If you type in this "Barclay Center’s ability to accommodate hockey"
You come to many different ideas on the subject
From what was written, it would be possible but seats would have to be removed.
Going from 18K to somewhere around 16 and change
Wikipedia on the Barclay Center says NO
Other sites say YES
Can’t imagine they would build without it being possible
The railroad is the best thing going for it
Hockey + basketball + biggest concert venue in Brooklyn
means that the Barclays Center could be busy maybe 200 or 250 days out of the year. It would be really hard for Prokhorov to turn that down, in my opinion.
Official choice of Lighthouse Dog #1.
There's also supposed to be a small theatre there
I guess like what the paramount (or whatever it is now) was in MSG.
NY Islanders, just one irrational free agent signing away from contention!
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by Keith Quinn on Jul 31, 2011 6:08 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Brooks wrote ...
“I was corrected this week by an arena/Nets representative who informed me that Barclay’s … .” To me, the way he worded this suggests it was Brooks who was the one contacted, not the other way around. That’s how it strikes me anyway, and if that is correct, it’s a lot more significant.
Yes, it can
On NetsDaily, the SB Nation blog for the Nets, they’ve been debating his for months. As part of a phase reducing the overall size and capacity of the Barclays Center in 2009, the official line has been that the arena can accommodate ice events but not hockey at the pro level—college, but not AHL/NHL. Apparently the seating arrangement for hockey is 14,500, which is super small for a pro team and 2,000 seats less than the Coliseum, and with poor sight lines.
BUT, the main NetsDaily writer, with high Nets/Prokhorov contacts, confirmed yesterday that Barclays would be able to host pro hockey events. So the ownership/management is receptive, so they could find a way even if details were not given and nobody was on the record for it.
Check out the the most recent thread on this at: http://www.netsdaily.com/2011/7/31/2306994/hockey-in-brooklyn-spurred-by-monday-vote-but-impediments-remain
It just makes sense
How can a business man spend millions on a new arena and not make it big enough to accomadate NHL hockey? That would be a tremendous lack of vision.
It had to do with getting approval to build the place
There was a serious fight going on years ago in order to get the place built, so they kept arena at 16,000+ just to get approval. If they went any higher (and had it sighted and zoned for NHL hockey as well), the arena probably wouldn’t have gotten approval.
Official choice of Lighthouse Dog #1.
Absolutely true
Not to mention that Proky is on record saying that he doesn’t want to own any more sports teams until the Nets have been successful. He’s apparently been approached to buy the Devils and said no, and he has repeatedly said that he isn’t interested in the Islanders. I wouldn’t count it out longterm, as Proky’s a big sportsfan and benefactor of Russian sports…and the NHL would seem to be a logical next step for him.
Barclays has already lined up an impressive array of events for next year, and so it may not need hockey also after tennis, boxing, pop music concerts, BAM concerts, etc.
Love this
Good job by the SB Nation Nets guys, that’s some really good investigative work.
Official choice of Lighthouse Dog #1.
Can you please
Get vecsey’s email and send him this beautifully written response to his idiotic story? As much as I enjoyed reading your post, all I could think about was how great it would be if vecsey was able to actually read this.
Already green, and I'll rec it anyway
It’s just terribly sad how many “hockey fans” are so ready to dump the Islanders. It’s a crying shame and just a terrible example of the kind of insular and self-centered thinking that characterize hockey fans at their worst
Standard pontificating from people who probably couldn’t even name the major players in this story without checking Wikipedia right before writing it (if they even bother)
Of course, the first problem is that people rely on the NYT Sports section for anything other than random human interest stories
It would be nice, and more efficient
if there was a way to get your rant available to everyone else who read that article. Well done by the way.
Vecsey wrote me back
First of all: Holy shit. I thought he’d ignore it.
Secondly, he wrote:
did you miss my affection for the Islanders?
But it’s not the same franchise or the same era…
and if a journalist does not ask financial and political questions, who will?
I don’t trust their figures…that simple.,
GV
My response:
Mr. Vecsey,
Thank you for reading and responding to my letter.
I agree that the times have changed for the Islanders. That’s the problem. Nassau County has remained unchanged for most of my 35 years. New businesses open and close, Roosevelt Field gets a new parking garage, but mostly it all looks the same. All at an astronomical tax rate. At some point, Nassau needs to move forward and a new Coliseum (for which it’s main tenant is offering to pay upwards of 60% of the costs) would be a huge first step.
Every study about this project going back The Lighthouse has been wildly different. But it’s taken almost 25 years to get to this point. If the referendum fails, I don’t trust the politicians in Nassau to get anything done in anything less than that timeframe. Now is the time for the people to make their voices heard.
We’d all like for the current Islanders to play the way their forebears did. But how many teams can keep a championship pace for 40 years? Detroit is now known as “Hockey Town.” But for the nearly 20 years between the time Gordie Howe retired to the time Steve Yzerman was drafted, the Red Wings were called the “Dead Things” by fans. In the recent pre-Sidney Crosby days, the Penguins were practically packed up and loaded for parts unknown, the early 1990’s seemingly a lifetime ago. No one asked if they were “worth saving” because there were other hockey teams in adjoining areas with mass transit.
Journalists are supposed to ask financial and political questions. But when it seems like every article has the same answers (“Lousy team, lousy taxes, maybe they leave”), it makes the fans who bleed for the team add the journalists to the list of people to not trust.
Thanks again.
"He's depriving some small village of a pretty good idiot" - Mike Milbury on Ziggy Palffy's agent Paul Kraus during Palffy's contract holdout in 1998.
by PGI on Aug 1, 2011 10:06 AM EDT up reply actions 6 recs
Well, he answered
It’s not a great one, or really that convincing, but it is something
Nice job on the reply from your end
On the non-tension cool side of the pillow side
I just got my Hockey News and they gave us an A+ for the draft— Party on Garth
by Torch7 on Jul 31, 2011 11:39 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Another Botta-ism
Hey remember when Jankowski was let go and he wrote that the Isles won’t be able to draft as well without him?
Yeah, fuck that now.
Official choice of Lighthouse Dog #1.
by Fabtraption on Jul 31, 2011 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions 7 recs
You make me larf Fab.
I’ll admit to choking on my water when reading that one.
If you don't vote yes on August 1st I will personally make sure that Jay Jacobs comes to your house and tell you how he is going to convince Wang to stay in Nassau County. You get to clean up after the unicorns...
by metalcoconut on Jul 31, 2011 10:20 PM EDT up reply actions
I do what I can.
Official choice of Lighthouse Dog #1.
by Fabtraption on Jul 31, 2011 11:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Wait,, but he's just the backup golaie.
"We can't get pushed around," Haley said. "What commentators say about us, that's their job. My job is to try and limit as many people who want to take liberties with our guys as possible."
by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Jul 31, 2011 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
I havent read it
But I believe I heard that the Islanders are the only team that got an A+- correct?
Let Us Go, Islanders! (Ever notice how strange that sounds without the contraction?)
by TheMetalChick on Jul 31, 2011 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Nice
I write a goddamn Gettysburg address about national negative Islanders coverage and then they praise the team.Thanks for nothing , Hockey News!
Just kidding. That’s sweet. I’ll have to check it out.
"He's depriving some small village of a pretty good idiot" - Mike Milbury on Ziggy Palffy's agent Paul Kraus during Palffy's contract holdout in 1998.
No they hate us
I was surprised to see anything above a C
I’ve written to Ask Adam many times about the Isles and he always always shits on them and says snippy things like are they in the AHL?
by Torch7 on Jul 31, 2011 1:13 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Did it say NY Islanders??
Did it say NY and have the logo??? Maybe they thought the team actually did move, and therefore, figured it was OK to say something nice.
I hope thats a LIRR station in the back there!
by Torch7 on Jul 31, 2011 11:40 AM EDT reply actions 2 recs
Eventually
it has to be. :)
Let Us Go, Islanders! (Ever notice how strange that sounds without the contraction?)
by TheMetalChick on Jul 31, 2011 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions
But it can't be
The LIRR actually runs above all of Nassau County and people parachute out to the homes.
LIRR to the new arena
Anyone have a plan on that could ever be approved?
What line: Babylon, Hempstead, or Hicksville?
Been trying to figure out how that would ever get approved
railroad access
is number 34985723094587 on the to do list. We are on #1.
Let Us Go, Islanders! (Ever notice how strange that sounds without the contraction?)
by TheMetalChick on Jul 31, 2011 5:20 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Tried to post a comment to the CBS New York thread - TWICE.....
- and it has yet to appear – BOTH of ’em – nor have I received any acknowledgement of my presumed registration; every other posting to it is just MORONIC…..in contrast, the Columbo comment thread displays some of our favorite LHH denizens admirably defending both referendum and team!
We will all be Ranger fans if the leave?
Hell, no, I’d rather force an icepick into my temple hundreds of times before I cheer for them.
Could you imagine us all doing that ridiculous and seriously bitter Potvin Sucks chant? Or we could just change SUCKS to RULES and fuck up the old Rag’s fans. Nah, the icepick sounds better.
"We can't get pushed around," Haley said. "What commentators say about us, that's their job. My job is to try and limit as many people who want to take liberties with our guys as possible."
by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Jul 31, 2011 11:47 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Am I the only one that doesn't like the rendering?
The Isles logo on the side is nice but I’m not a big fan of the roof.
Pr*j*ct**ns lead to long term injuries, just ask the asian guy from Inception
Why don't like the roof?
Because it won’t leak, like the one now?
"We can't get pushed around," Haley said. "What commentators say about us, that's their job. My job is to try and limit as many people who want to take liberties with our guys as possible."
by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Jul 31, 2011 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Because
We’re going to miss dodging Falling Girders
"Since when did The Onion start doing hockey stories?" - Random Puck Daddy Comment
Contributor to Lighthouse Hockey not sure if I'm the Sniper or the Enforcer.
by Mark D on Jul 31, 2011 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Maybe its retractable.
Honestly, there is the caveat that “this is what it COULD look like”. Not what it will look like.
To me, it’s such an upgrade over the current that I couldn’t call it ugly.
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by Keith Quinn on Jul 31, 2011 12:05 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
"Maybe it's retractable"
We shall have our own Winter Classic! Bahahahaha!
by Dr. Copp on Jul 31, 2011 4:13 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
I’m not a big fan of the roof.
Lets remember our perspective here- the current roof leaks on seats and into buckets.
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by TheMetalChick on Jul 31, 2011 12:08 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
haha
Oh I know, anything is an upgrade. I’m just saying design wise this wouldn’t be my first choice for a new home. This is also just one design that’s an option.
Pr*j*ct**ns lead to long term injuries, just ask the asian guy from Inception
In twenty years
I would like it better in 20 years with a JT and Grabner statue outside. Just sayin.
The roof
I honestly have zero opinion, as it just looks like any ol’ shiny new building rendering. I miss the old barns (can you tell?), as new buildings … they’ve got flash but it’s hard to do character. Admittedly the exterior of the current Coliseum is about as characterless as you can get, but…
In the new areeners I’ve been in, the more glass like that that’s open to an atrium/concourses, the better. Beyond that, they all feel like large hallways with escalators and sushi concession stands that let you get to your seats a lot quicker than before — assuming you can find the peasant section in between special luxury suite floors.
(Wow, that sounds like I’m really anti-arena, but obviously I’m not. I’m just unmoved by new areeners I’ve been in and am not expecting to be inspired. I also don’t know the first thing about architecture.)
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I'm Tired of a Wet Seat When It Rains or Snows
And the you got to get the usher to come with a mop to get the puddle in front of your seat.
Alan Hahn, the former Islander beat writer prior to Katie Strang took to twitter this week to voice his disapproval of the arena plan on the grounds of Nassau maintaining control of the property. Which is probably correct, it’s just that hey, options are in short supply right now. After the jump, some appropriate Nassau County political music and a couple of links.
Kate took over for Greg Logan, Alan was before that.
I was actually talking to him privately a bit on Twitter. It was a strange thing- he followed me to PM me, then un-followed me after the PMs. But what he said was NOT all negative against this. What he said was that he thinks Charles and the Islanders NEED to be the ones in complete control of the building, or else we will have the same problems we had with NVMC. He said if Charles WAS in charge of the entire bldg, it would change his mind. I responded to him that the vote is the beginning- the vote is to even do this in the first place. If we dont do it, then there will be nothing for anyone to be in control OF.
Let Us Go, Islanders! (Ever notice how strange that sounds without the contraction?)
That is what I meant, and sorry if that wasn't clear.
Yes, Hahn is not anti-islanders in the referendum, he is anti-referendum because the county is in charge. Dammit I’m not home to edit.
Charles in charge…ha!
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by Keith Quinn on Jul 31, 2011 12:03 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
That attitude bothers me about journalists and commentators. If it isn’t perfect then it isn’t worth it. Most plans are set in stages and if you refuse to lay the groundwork then it can never be.
Hunter said he was just finishing his check.
by Turgeon1992 on Jul 31, 2011 12:56 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
In fairness though
Having these politicians involved may trend more toward “absolute disaster” than “less than perfect”. I hope not, but I don’t trust these guys.
Maybe Jacobs and the dems will Roshambo me for it. I go first.
http://www.urbandictionary.com/iphone/#define?term=roshambo
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by Keith Quinn on Jul 31, 2011 1:03 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I personally have decided
That if this team moves, I will be a fan of THIS TEAM.
There is something bigger here than the locale and the name. It is about the players and the history and the future…because this present (political jockeying) sucks.
I just hope they remain in the conference and division so that when they do mature, they can rip the souls out of all that doubted, disrespected and advocated their leaving.
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by Keith Quinn on Jul 31, 2011 12:00 PM EDT via mobile reply actions 3 recs
Me too.
I do not give a shit, I will never be a Rags fan. I would go see THIS TEAM when they play at MSG or the Rock. I would be like those Whaler fans in that CT bar in their Whaler jerseys watching Center Ice and rooting for Carolina to win the Cup. :(
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by TheMetalChick on Jul 31, 2011 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions
My cousin is one of this guys
Cousin Whale-a-Cane as I call him. Became a huge Canes fan. Drives down to games all the time. He’s always busting my chops calling me cousin Nordic-landers or Cousin KC Inlanders
Bastard.
by Torch7 on Jul 31, 2011 1:18 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 2 recs
Yeah this has really been a big issue for me
Back when Milbury was in charge, I knew that if the Islanders moved and became another team, I would have an extremely difficult time rooting for them. But I’m really liking what Garth and Charles have been building with this team, and I love hockey too much to NOT watch.
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by Fabtraption on Jul 31, 2011 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions
I have a friend at work who was a big Whalers fan before they moved
Now he roots for the Caps and Red Wings for reasons unknown. He still wears his Whalers hat (as do I mine in the winter), and he’s as a very knowledgeable hockey fan. But he’d rather not watch hockey at all than watch the Hurricanes.
I’d rather not think about it now, but I’d probably still root for the Islanders wherever they were. The circumstances between the Whale leaving Hartford and this are far different.
That being said, if I had to jump on another team’s bandwagon, it’d probably be the Sabres. New York team that at least plays in a different division. Living in NJ and watching a lot of Devils games, I feel like I already sorta root for them as long as they’re not playing the Islanders. I respect the way Lou runs a tight ship. But I don’t think I could make the full time switch.
The Rangers are not an option. You have to pick one or the other and I made my pick 30 years ago. No backsies.
"He's depriving some small village of a pretty good idiot" - Mike Milbury on Ziggy Palffy's agent Paul Kraus during Palffy's contract holdout in 1998.
I agree. My wifes cousins are upstate and LOVE the Sabres
I think I would jump on that boat. Hate the Rags. Hate the Devils. Hate the Pens. Hate the Philthers. Not much around to cling to.
by Torch7 on Jul 31, 2011 1:23 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
maybe Calgary
when I was a kid we used to root against Gretzkys Oilers trying to approach our cup streak and for some reason we always thought the flames would stick it to the oil
which they did a lot
Im replying to my own comments
im going outside
by Torch7 on Jul 31, 2011 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Yeah, probably Buffalo
After some time, anyway. There’d be some withdrawal, maybe a season without rooting for any team, but at some point I’d have to latch on to someone. Lots of respect for the Devils, but…not sure I could jump in on that. Otherwise? Can’t pull for other Atlantic teams
It’s sad I even have to consider thinking about this….
I think I'd go with the Blackhawks
My older brother’s roller hockey team when I was young were the Blackhawks and I’ve had an affinity for them ever since. Since they play in the West I wouldn’t have to worry about rivalry issues. Biggest problem is time zone.
Pr*j*ct**ns lead to long term injuries, just ask the asian guy from Inception
How is the time zone an issue?
Hawks games only start one hour after Islander Games.
All Who Oppose Grabner Shall Perish.
They play the far western/pacific teams a lot being in the same conference
Let Us Go, Islanders! (Ever notice how strange that sounds without the contraction?)
by TheMetalChick on Jul 31, 2011 5:21 PM EDT up reply actions
I swear Central Time is the best time for watching the whole league
The games start dropping the puck when I get home from work and don’t let up until midnight.
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unfortunately for me.....
There is just no way, no how I would friggin EVER root for the team local to me….the Penguins. Fuck that. That would be the equivalent of rooting on the Rags……just NOT happening.
"If the bell needs to be answered, we've got the guys to answer it." "If they want to start something, that's fine."- Trevor Gillies
Agreed
I only get to one or two games a year anyway and have to spend hundreds on the NHL center ice package just to be able to watch games on tv. It really wouldn’t effect me much if they moved, but of course for all you guys in the area I want nothing more than the team staying on the island.
Yep, same here
And will go to games wearing my Islander’s jerseys.
by Empire39 on Jul 31, 2011 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
I would follow them
-If they stayed in the States. The Canadien Hockey media is just too brutal for my tastes. But if they moved and became something cool then I would follow them. Otherwise, as hard as it would be, I would find another team.
All Who Oppose Grabner Shall Perish.
I have a feeling that THIS year, that process of ripping the souls out of all that doubted and disrespected will start. I think they will be a surprisingly good hockey club that will make countless idiots eat their words.
by DanNOLA on Jul 31, 2011 12:15 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
The Rendering
It might have helped if they cam out with this weeks ago. I understand it might not be exact, but it may change the minds if the undecided.
I replied to someone about this yesterday
My opinion is that this is the pinnacle of the pitch. The crescendo. If they released it weeks ago, the enthusiasm would’ve worn off by now, people would be complaining that it “looks too much like___”, it looks too expensive, etc. I like going into the vote with one last positive to think about. But I wouldve also liked some different angles and some of the insides of the bldg. Hopefully they release more throughout the day.
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by Keith Quinn on Jul 31, 2011 12:39 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
maybe but releasing 1 day before doesn't make sense
They could have released it 5 days ago and people would have been psyched. This might have built up momentum. The day before made it seem like they were hiding something.
They could have released it 5 days ago and people would have been psyched. This might have built up momentum.
It is just as likely that releasing it earlier would have invited far more criticism and other people would have been upset. It might have built up momentum for the opposition.
Let Us Go, Islanders! (Ever notice how strange that sounds without the contraction?)
by TheMetalChick on Jul 31, 2011 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions
which why I said 5 DAYS and not three weeks
Far more criticism? From who?
Other people would have been upset? Little vague, who are the other people?
It might have built momentum for the opposition? In 5 days? I don’t think so. The people who they are trying to sell this to are the undecided. They make up probably (not a definite number) 20%. That is who they need to sell on the project.
But then again, I love your consistency
Far more criticism? From who?
You should poke around the internet for what has sprouted up over the past few days.
Let Us Go, Islanders! (Ever notice how strange that sounds without the contraction?)
by TheMetalChick on Jul 31, 2011 5:22 PM EDT up reply actions
You should
Always a great way to start
I think I have read enough about this topic
The sad part is this: I know more people voting against than for
Just to see if it helps, I sent wwe’s zach Ryder a requested retweet for the august 1 vote. His gimmick is that he’s from long island. I figure it couldn’t hurt if there are any wrestling fans on the island. They might enjoy seeing wrestling at the coli.
Hunter said he was just finishing his check.
by Turgeon1992 on Jul 31, 2011 1:07 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOUUUUUUUUUU!
Dat’s perty.
If you don't vote yes on August 1st I will personally make sure that Jay Jacobs comes to your house and tell you how he is going to convince Wang to stay in Nassau County. You get to clean up after the unicorns...
I hate to be a Debbie Downer but...
What if the Dow drops big time tomorrow because a deal doesn’t get done? What does that do to the vote? Will the larger issues have a negative effect?
I have thought about this too
Only the Islanders would happen to have the biggest political vote in team history just HAPPEN to coincide with potentially the biggest fiancial problem in American political history. :(
Let Us Go, Islanders! (Ever notice how strange that sounds without the contraction?)
by TheMetalChick on Jul 31, 2011 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Puck Daddy
Seems to have a vocal minority slating the new arena. I think it’s time to kick some knowledge their way.
Pr*j*ct**ns lead to long term injuries, just ask the asian guy from Inception
Please do
There is an idiot or two who is trolling the shit out of that article.
Let Us Go, Islanders! (Ever notice how strange that sounds without the contraction?)
by TheMetalChick on Jul 31, 2011 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions
The King
wish I knew where he lived…I’d show up wearing a certain retro goalie mask
by backstop87 on Jul 31, 2011 8:48 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Another round begins
I just received a recorded message from Linx Communications: Remember to vote NO tomorrow to another property tax increase. Vote no to BAILING OUT CHARLES WANG. Vote no during this financial crisis. Blah Blah Blah, property tax increase, vote no.
No “Paid for by….” message either.
Vote YES!
Incredible
People can fault Charles Wang for so much, but asking people to bail out his hockey team isn’t one of them. He’s jumped through every hoop and then some.
Lighthouse Hockey: A flute with no holes is not a flute. A Dane with no holes is Frans Nielsen.
Can we all promise
that no matter how you feel about the areenar and no matter how the vote goes tomorrow, that beginning Wednesday, August 3 we don’t speak of this issue again? It has become more tiresome than trying to figure out The Wheel of Justice.
nope.
Let Us Go, Islanders! (Ever notice how strange that sounds without the contraction?)
by TheMetalChick on Jul 31, 2011 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Wikipedia
List and pictures of all of the NHL arenas. Ours is the shittiest. And basically the only one without a sponsorship. (MSG doesn’t either).
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Stupidest arena name in the NHL?
The Jobing.com Arena.
Also, isn’t the Joe Louis Arena also (gloriously) unsponsored?
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Oh yeah, I guess
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Still
One boxer < thousands of veterans
Lighthouse Hockey: A flute with no holes is not a flute. A Dane with no holes is Frans Nielsen.
Although, "jobing" is kind of fitting for the Glendale situation
Everybody’s gettin’ jobbed there.
Lighthouse Hockey: A flute with no holes is not a flute. A Dane with no holes is Frans Nielsen.
by Dominik on Jul 31, 2011 7:40 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
I was going to post...
Every time they lose you can say that they just got jobbed. It’s just fun to say even if it is for personal amusement.
If you don't vote yes on August 1st I will personally make sure that Jay Jacobs comes to your house and tell you how he is going to convince Wang to stay in Nassau County. You get to clean up after the unicorns...
by metalcoconut on Jul 31, 2011 10:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Indeed
Seriously, it’s an awful name for a Web domain, a company and an areener. I’ve not stopped laughing ever since I heard that was what they were going with. I’d sooner visit a place called the Fleet Home Enema Center.
Lighthouse Hockey: A flute with no holes is not a flute. A Dane with no holes is Frans Nielsen.
You know, for a while
I thought it was pronounced “Jo-Bing,” sort of like the search engine. Not sure what the site would be about, but I figured if I ever got into that business I would figure it out
Then the Yotes make the playoffs, and suddenly I hear the actual pronunciation. They used “job” as a verb; sounds like one of those ideas that seems good when you think of it, but then you say it out loud….
How about the National Car Rental Center?
It sounds like a great place to rent a car for the weekend, not watch hockey.
Official choice of Lighthouse Dog #1.
It's impossible to beat the First Union Center.
I bet WebBard laughs every time they say that name. Whoever thought that It was a good idea to name a venue with the initials of FU must have their head examined. However they picked the city that is infamous for booing Santa Clause at half time and launched ice balls at “America’s Team”. These are the same fans that add the word “SUCKS” after each member of the starting lineup of the opposing lax team. That is just sheer genius.
If you don't vote yes on August 1st I will personally make sure that Jay Jacobs comes to your house and tell you how he is going to convince Wang to stay in Nassau County. You get to clean up after the unicorns...
by metalcoconut on Aug 1, 2011 12:00 PM EDT up reply actions
GM Place, anyone?
or ScotiaBank Place. “I’m going the the Place to watch that Thing with Someone!” Sounds awesome.
"He's depriving some small village of a pretty good idiot" - Mike Milbury on Ziggy Palffy's agent Paul Kraus during Palffy's contract holdout in 1998.
Fleet Center was also pretty awesome
Speaking of which, I gotta hit the can…
Lighthouse Hockey: A flute with no holes is not a flute. A Dane with no holes is Frans Nielsen.
Some tougher questions on News 12 @ 5:20
Will let you know if there will be replays. But usually, News 12 replays every hour so it should be between 5:20 and 5:27
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Wang interview if that wasn't clear
NY Islanders, just one irrational free agent signing away from contention!
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Wang
“We might be the only arena in the world with outdoor johns…that not right”.
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by Keith Quinn on Jul 31, 2011 5:59 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Tired
I’m sooooo tired of all the Arena BS already … I just can’t wait till we argue who would be fitting to purchase the new areeenah’s naming rights.
I’m tired of this decade + effort for a new or refurbished arena.
I’m tired of all the misinformed electorate.
I’m tired of the lies that has eroded away at this effort and the Lighthouse effort.
I’m tired of the Wang bashing … He deserves a bunch of critique for some moves he made… More than that though… he deserves 10000% of our admiration for the fight he has put forth with this arena issue.
Just Tired… but I’ll fight on…. because I’m a Fucking Islander Fan and I wouldn’t trade that for any other team.
by 19 Isle in NJ 22 on Jul 31, 2011 5:28 PM EDT reply actions 12 recs
I wouldn't trade being the bastard child of the NHL for anything
It’s been us against the world since the beginning! Why should that change now?
by 54_Fighting on Jul 31, 2011 6:01 PM EDT reply actions 4 recs
Areener rendering
Is that Kate Murray’s silhouette, bottom, second figure from the right? She’s an Islanders fan, dontcha know.
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I don't think so
Her silhouette would be fatter, dumber and wouldn’t have a soul.
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by Keith Quinn on Jul 31, 2011 8:45 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
Wang wants a nice place to rent form Nassau, thats all
why is it that hes such a bad man for expecting something nice for the isles? I hate these people!!!
I guess they ran out of $ when it came time to encase the web-truss...
My question is: Why cant we just renovate the Coli? The county puts up $150m, Wang puts up a little and naming rights cover the rest…probably no more than $200m total cost
What happened?
Did you just hit the “bargaining” stage? We should have a new one…because this one sucks. Don’t sell us short!
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by Keith Quinn on Jul 31, 2011 8:51 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I think the point is
Whatever is proposed will 1) upset the political party that didn’t propose it and 2) upset whichever L.I. developers don’t (yet) have their nose in the trough. Giant project with a renovated areener, tiny project with a new areener — doesn’t matter, someone wins and someone whines.
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by Dominik on Aug 1, 2011 12:24 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Does anyone know if any website or TV channel is doing vote tracking like CNN does for the presidential elections?
"So much ice on my windshield you'd think I just robbed a Kay Jeweler. "
-LF
Speaking of which, I just heard the debt ceiling was raised.
Could that be a good omen? Hmmm?
Hmmmm?
"So much ice on my windshield you'd think I just robbed a Kay Jeweler. "
-LF
by Chairman Meow on Jul 31, 2011 9:21 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Rec'd for excellent use of Judge Smails voice
Assuming that "hmmm"ing was Judge Smails.
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Somebody on twitter just said
Fox 5 would be covering it on the 10pm news. Randi Marshall (the woman coveing it for newsday) said she would be tweeting it throughout the day). I should be home most of tomorrow, so whatever I find out via twitter, I will post.
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by Keith Quinn on Jul 31, 2011 10:12 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Sounds good.
I don’t have a twitter, put I’ll be checking up on your twitter all day. I’m home all day tomorrow as well.
"So much ice on my windshield you'd think I just robbed a Kay Jeweler. "
-LF
by Chairman Meow on Jul 31, 2011 11:23 PM EDT up reply actions
If anyone does it, it would be News 12 Long Island.
Let Us Go, Islanders! (Ever notice how strange that sounds without the contraction?)
by TheMetalChick on Aug 1, 2011 10:55 AM EDT up reply actions
Maybe I'm overlooking something but...
I don’t see how people could vote no tomorrow. I mean Wang tried to privately fund an extravagant venue bringing thousands of jobs to Nassau and they turned him down. If they vote no on publicly funding and arena and getting rent from him then their cutting off their nose to spite their face and they deserve to lose the team and all the jobs associated with the organization.
I suppose this doesn’t mean the end of the franchise though. There is always the Brooklyn option which has been discussed endlessly, and then theirs the Ronkonkoma option. I mean they have LIRR access, Islip Macarthur airport, and the LI/Bridgeport ferry not far at all. It’s a no brainer.
Welcome to the world of politics, and paranoid old people my friend.
I would bet everyone on this site a large amount of money that if the voter demographics ever come out, at least 60 percent of the ‘no’ voters are senior citizens.
"So much ice on my windshield you'd think I just robbed a Kay Jeweler. "
-LF
by Chairman Meow on Jul 31, 2011 9:56 PM EDT up reply actions
and idiots like my sister
She told me today she was voting NO
I will probably not talk to her again (unless she wants to babysit my 4 children)
I would write her logic but it’s beyond stupid
Im banking on alot of people having a rough monday at work and being to lazy to vote. Those who really care will make it a point to vote yes but many who say they will vote no will probably shrug it off and rather just get home. It’s those damn old folks we gotta worry about though. They could make or break us since they really have nothing better to do.
by 54_Fighting on Jul 31, 2011 10:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Where could they build in Ronk?
I also doubt there will be a Coliseum in Brooklyn or Queens. Its too close to the Rags and Dolan doesnt want that. Cant say I blame, to be honest…
Does it matter?
The Nets are moving to Brooklyn and Dolan owns the Knicks as well. I don’t think that should influence anything.
Official choice of Lighthouse Dog #1.
Tomorrows Weather
90 degrees with thunderstorms in the afternoon. Hopefully this goes in our favor. BTW Wang called it raining on Francesa.
Pr*j*ct**ns lead to long term injuries, just ask the asian guy from Inception
Charles Wang's arena vote
Responsible for the heat steoke deaths of 10 of Long Island’s elderly…
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by Keith Quinn on Jul 31, 2011 10:50 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
GOOD LUCK TOMORROW
Rock that vote, for all of us.
STOP effin' messin' with my FnGO!!
by Nova Scotia Isles Fan on Jul 31, 2011 10:30 PM EDT reply actions
So what time tomorrow should we expect to hear about the big signing?
My money is for the noon time slot.
If you don't vote yes on August 1st I will personally make sure that Jay Jacobs comes to your house and tell you how he is going to convince Wang to stay in Nassau County. You get to clean up after the unicorns...
What?
"So much ice on my windshield you'd think I just robbed a Kay Jeweler. "
-LF
by Chairman Meow on Jul 31, 2011 10:43 PM EDT up reply actions
The big trade/signing that Garth leaked to Strang last week.
We are still awaiting the “big move” that we are going to like, according to Strang.
If you don't vote yes on August 1st I will personally make sure that Jay Jacobs comes to your house and tell you how he is going to convince Wang to stay in Nassau County. You get to clean up after the unicorns...
by metalcoconut on Aug 1, 2011 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions
Good Night and Happy Voting Nassau!!
I’m going to try to resist looking for results until tomorrow night. I wish I could just sleep till then.
Good Luck All!!
by 19 Isle in NJ 22 on Jul 31, 2011 10:57 PM EDT reply actions
Oh sweet Jesus.
I can’t believe my computer says it’s 8/1. At least by tomorrow we’ll have a clearer idea as to what’s gonna happen later on.
"So much ice on my windshield you'd think I just robbed a Kay Jeweler. "
-LF
Well here we go.
I’m still gonna be honest with you, I’m not sure which way I would vote if I had a vote for the same reasons as Alan Hahn voices above…and a belief that the Isles would not leave the Metro area – though they would leave Nassau – on a vote of No. I’d be heavily tempted to vote no to see what happens.
I don’t have a vote, and I haven’t instructed my parents either way.
Writer at Beyond the Box Score and The Hardball Times
Pitchf/x enthusiast.
shhhhh!!!!
keep it to yourslef, please…You’re not helping the cause…lol
Hmmmmm....
I’d be heavily tempted to vote no to see what happens.
I know what you’re thinking. “Did he fire six shots or only five?” Well, to tell you the truth, in all this excitement I kind of lost track myself. But being as this is a .44 Magnum, the most powerful handgun in the world, and would blow your head clean off, you’ve got to ask yourself one question: Do I feel lucky? Well, do ya, punk?
Not calling you a punk, Garik, but this is what sprung to mind when I read that. Easy for me, of course, I’m 300 miles and a national border away.
STOP effin' messin' with my FnGO!!
by Nova Scotia Isles Fan on Aug 1, 2011 10:34 AM EDT up reply actions
I'd miss them..
but I wouldn’t follow them if they moved out of NY. (not your parents, the Islanders)
There are better options, as I’ve said before. But those options must avail themselves. I wasn’t in favor of the LHP, and I don’t think the Islander’s CAN BE a stand alone hockey entity with this deal either. But this one works for the community, it gets a NEW BUILDING, creates jobs and will keep the Islanders where they were born.
As a voting concern even a non-hockey fan will derive more benefit from the new building than the <$20/year it will cost them.
Now that I live in VA, I really couldn’t care if they put nuclear reactors on that property… it would serve all those old bastards voting NO today a nice dish of irony. Hey, maybe their glow in the dark grandchildren will petition the local municipalities to get the Islanders back from Quebec when they fail again.
Maybe they could pipe the waste down through hempstead, North baldwin, freeport and right down guy lombardo bvd.
AND THEY’D SAVE .01 cents per Kilowatt/HR.
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Don't forget to vote "YES" on Aug 1st!!!
Is anyone gonna make an open thread for this tomorrow?
I need somewhere to contain myself.
"So much ice on my windshield you'd think I just robbed a Kay Jeweler. "
-LF
What happened to that rumored "Big Trade" we we all "going to love"?
I’d think if it were something major, something that might motivate people to vote YES, they’d get it done and announce it before the vote, wouldn’t they?
Or was it just a bluff, a dead end rumor or misunderstanding on the part of the reporters?
Jeff Carter to Columbus? Wait, I've seen this one before, it was called Shanahan to Hartford. Advice? Don't buy a Carter jersey.
I'll be honest
I had zero faith in those reports and zero belief that they came from anywhere near Garth Snow.
So if there’s meat on the burner as described by potential trade partners, great. But Snow seems to keep it well-sealed and acts on his own timing.
Lighthouse Hockey: A flute with no holes is not a flute. A Dane with no holes is Frans Nielsen.
Here's hoping there a little fire behind that smoke, just the same.
Jeff Carter to Columbus? Wait, I've seen this one before, it was called Shanahan to Hartford. Advice? Don't buy a Carter jersey.
by BrassBonanza10 on Aug 4, 2011 8:05 PM EDT up reply actions
VOTE
the Chicago way today. Early and often!
Back....
had to take a Campbell and wipe my Bettman.
Friend's only let friend's vote YES! or Friends don't let friends vote no.
by skeeterman on Aug 1, 2011 7:53 AM EDT reply actions 3 recs
I hope they fixed up some of the problems from the first season
I’m not saying it’s the one show this fall that I’m looking forward to most, but it’ll definitely be great to see again. Probably the most glorious show to watch on HD these days.
Official choice of Lighthouse Dog #1.
The Islanders' future will be decided today and I am moving out of my shitty, rat-infested apartment
New beginnings for us all.
Official choice of Lighthouse Dog #1.
Well my landlords are just about as terrible as SMG
so it’s like I live in the Coliseum.
Official choice of Lighthouse Dog #1.
by Fabtraption on Aug 1, 2011 10:20 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Just put in my Yes vote
and all my in-laws are doing the same. Not bad considering half of them do not follow hockey.
Vote Yes on August 1st.
wish I had a vote to help
man sucks being a fan out of the area, my wife asks if I will still be a fan, and I say yes where ever they go but it will be weird cheering for the Kansas City Widgets or whwatever they are
unless by some chance they came to Portland(ME)
Any task BIG or small, Do it well or not at all
Good luck today!
Sonme things Islander fans should be doing…
1. Shuttling seniors to polling places… just tell them Oprah will be there. By the time they get there they’ll forget anyway… but you might have to supply some frozen yogurt.
2. Shuttle folks from the unemployment offices to polling places. Make the case that if they vote YES they may not need a ride to the coliseum next time.
3. We should have gotten Wendy’s to give out FREE CHILI with an “I JUST VOTED” hand stamp.
Are there going to be any autograph signings conveniently scheduled at polling places?
Has there been anything written about unions pushing for this. That really needs to be the biggest presence…trade unions, building suppliers and the cabbies at the Mineola train station.
BTW: I hope that roof is retractable… so we can have our own Winter Classic every thursday night in December thru February.
Lighthouse Hockey: Home of the "STROME-BOLI"!
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by JPinVA on Aug 1, 2011 9:59 AM EDT reply actions 2 recs
To quote my favorite philosopher
Mmmmmmmmm free chili
by Torch7 on Aug 1, 2011 1:32 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Hmm.
Basically on my highly scientific gambling instincts, I put this at 55/45 with the “NO” votes taking it.
Happy to be wrong!
I wonder if this might have worked...
VS
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