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UNIONDALE, NY - JULY 27: Charles Wang, owner of the New York Islanders, speaks during the fan rally at Nassau Coliseum on July 27, 2011 in Uniondale, New York. (Photo by Christopher Pasatieri/Getty Images)

WebBard is busy this weekend, but he had time to throw together this little memory lane clip at Keith's request:


Meanwhile, I apologize again to everyone who's coming for hockey talk and to get their mind off the referendum. It's just it's such a pivotal moment and dominates the focus at least through Monday. That said, there's plenty of hockey to talk in the following links as well, including New Jersey avoiding arbitration with Zach Parise but only inking his name on a one-year deal, which means he can be a UFA next summer...

Thanks to everyone who keeps adding interesting links via FanShot, too. Exactly how that tool is supposed to work, and it keeps people talking even when us official authors are too lazy to add something new.

Star-divide

In Lou We Trust talks more about the Parise deal here. It's important to remember that just because he signed for one year doesn't mean he won't sign an extension before next summer. In fact, odds are that will happen. But a player in his position won't be able to sign a mid-season extension until after Jan. 1 -- so if things go sour in Newark two years in a row, watch out.

LHH Reader Question

Copper & Blue does a "top 25 under 25" about Oilers players and prospects. It's a chance to rank, debate, and update the progress of young players in their team's system. My question: Is that something you'd be interested from LHH? Anything you'd do differently? And furthermore, are there other recurring posts/topics that you'd like us to add to our plate?

Nassau Coliseum Referendum Links

Nick with an update on many things, including the Rock the Referendum contest (canceled, sorry) and an incredible bit of dishonesty from the Association for a Better Long Island: They actually turned their own Facebook debate into suggesting voters will be intimidated at the polls, and would require security.

I don't begrudge you if you have political, financial, or other democratic reasons for voting no. But if you engage in bankrupt intellectual dishonesty like that, you are every bit the problem with politics, and you deserve an ill-informed, aging constituency. What a joke from the "association."

If the referendum doesn't pass, I don't want to think about what's next. However, if it does pass (probably will), I doubt this battle is over. Just be ready. (Either way, next week around here will be about hockey, I promise.)

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Vote - Yes

Thanks for putting this together. As a lifelong Islander fan from the days of Billy Harris all I can say is please vote – Yes. I am one of many fans not living on the Island but quite dependent on this outcome for my hockey fix.

After 40 years of putting my faith in this organization I don’t want to feel the pain and sadness Giant and Dodger fans experienced sixty years ago.

PS – I read the Copper and Blue article on their top 25 under 25. It is a good exercise in helping fans evaluate the teams talent. The good news for Islander fans is we have a lot of good talent in our pool of young players. We are getting recognition amongst the blogsphere for the collection of young players Snow has assembled. We need time to let those kids cook properly and then work them smartly into the lineup.

by TheMagus on Jul 30, 2011 3:03 PM EDT reply actions  

Thoughts about referendum

What I have heard about the referendum is that even if it passes Democrats will still jump all over it if the turnout is low. They will say that the August 1st date is the reason for the low turnout and that the majority of the county doesn’t support the plan. However u can argue that by saying just because the turnout was low doesn’t mean if it was higher the vote would go the other way. Those who voted yes are obviously more passionate about the vote and shouldn’t be punished for the apathy of the other side.

by rockhouse15 on Jul 30, 2011 3:06 PM EDT reply actions  

As a Nassau County resident, my family, friends, and I will proudly be voting yes.

To all other Nassau residents, we can’t take this vote for granted. Everyone needs to get out and support this. To non-Nassau residents who want to help, call anyone you know who lives Nassau and do whatever necessary to secure a vote. Beg them, bribe them, blackmail them, threaten them, beat them up. Anything necessary. If you know people who plan to vote no, remove the spark plug from their car and return it on August 2nd.

by nyislanders93 on Jul 30, 2011 3:32 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

Also, the "top 25 under 25" sounds like a great idea.

It could give everyone a chance to debate why their favorite prospects are better than other’s favorite prospects. Would the ranking system be based off of a prospect’s pure talent and upside or the likeliness that they contribute in the NHL?

by nyislanders93 on Jul 30, 2011 3:36 PM EDT reply actions  

I guess a combination of both

Or maybe a simple ranking of trade value (I wouldn’t trade this guy for this other guy ranked below him, etc.)

Excellent polling advice above, by the way. ;) Made my day.

Lighthouse Hockey: A flute with no holes is not a flute. A Dane with no holes is Frans Nielsen.

by Dominik on Jul 31, 2011 7:46 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

It's kind of funny....

to see the results on that featured poll to the right of the screen regarding how people are voting and to see how many of us don’t have a vote.

I wonder how many of us are all out of state? I know there is that map, but don’t know how updated it is.

"If the bell needs to be answered, we've got the guys to answer it." "If they want to start something, that's fine."- Trevor Gillies

by JW1970 on Jul 30, 2011 3:52 PM EDT reply actions  

Out of state is not as much of a landslide- tons of fans in suffolk, nassau, NYC, upstate, etc.
But out of COUNTY? There are far, FAR more fans outside of Nassau county than inside it.

Let Us Go, Islanders! (Ever notice how strange that sounds without the contraction?)

by TheMetalChick on Jul 31, 2011 12:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

On the other hand

I’m pleased our American Idol voting base is so small.

Lighthouse Hockey: A flute with no holes is not a flute. A Dane with no holes is Frans Nielsen.

by Dominik on Jul 31, 2011 7:47 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Top 25 under 25 is a great idea

because holy God I am so sick and tired of reading about the referendum. (Yes, I know it’s really important to Nassau County and the future of the New York Islanders, but sometimes you just want to talk about hockey, damnit!)

Official choice of Lighthouse Dog #1.

by Fabtraption on Jul 30, 2011 4:58 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

never apologize...

no need to “apologize” for covering a subject that will decide the fate of this franchise in a few days

that’s ridiculous

and it shows weakness… one sign of weakness and your enemy can take you down

like when my old friend admiral kiiiiirk got the best if me in that damned nebula… i hate that nebula

by Khan Noonien Singh on Jul 30, 2011 5:28 PM EDT reply actions  

to the last

I will grapple with thee…….

by Isles2011 on Jul 30, 2011 11:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

:)

I’m overly sensitive to everyone who’s tired of the areener talk — one reason I’m glad they scheduled it in August rather than in the fall.

I like nebulae and nebulous things, as a general rule.

Home, or the Joneses?

Lighthouse Hockey: A flute with no holes is not a flute. A Dane with no holes is Frans Nielsen.

by Dominik on Jul 31, 2011 7:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

When I thought Myspace was cool this was my background

"Seriously that's the last time you guys f#@%ing won?" -RSH (about beating the Penguins in '93)

by Bryan2112 on Jul 31, 2011 11:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

can someone shed some light for me?

I currently live in texas. until last year I lived in suffolk all my life and have been an isles fan for as long as I have been a hockey fan. My parents who still reside there have said that it is not looking so good for the vote as far as they can tell from everything they’ve read and heard in papers and news. Do you really think there is a realistic chance of this thing passing? Even though I live 1500 miles away I’d be devastated if my team was forced to move off the island because nassau county sucks ass.

by 54_Fighting on Jul 30, 2011 8:26 PM EDT reply actions  

BIG WEEK

Even after Monday’s vote … assuming it’s YES … the entire week will be huge because moving onto the next phase we all know this is where NIFA and the Dems will sink their teeth into the overall plan and molest it with their grubby hands.

I think it’s a fair deal…. but if Charles has to give more gaurantees to the County in order to secure this deal… Then he should take back some of the “Extras” in revenue sharing … like the proposal to share gross concessions and store sales on the site, by reducing the % he gives back over that gaurantee… just saying.

It’s game time folks … and it’s the intermisssion between 3rd period and the 1st OT period in game 6 of 1980 …. We score we begin a new legacy … we lose and who the hell knows what happens. How do you think the Isles felt between the 3rd and OT in game 6 of the 80 Finals? Nervous? Anxious? Indifferent? All of the above?

by 19 Isle in NJ 22 on Jul 30, 2011 10:10 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

Why 23?

Mr. Islander?

"We can't get pushed around," Haley said. "What commentators say about us, that's their job. My job is to try and limit as many people who want to take liberties with our guys as possible."

by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Jul 31, 2011 9:14 AM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

I figured you would figure it out.

Thanks, Dom.

"We can't get pushed around," Haley said. "What commentators say about us, that's their job. My job is to try and limit as many people who want to take liberties with our guys as possible."

by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Jul 31, 2011 11:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Dude!

That is impressive.

Lighthouse Hockey: A flute with no holes is not a flute. A Dane with no holes is Frans Nielsen.

by Dominik on Jul 31, 2011 7:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

I have no vote but still have questions?

Is there anything in the referendum requiring the $14M or whatever amount being used to repay the bond? I can see greedy politician’s trying to get their hands on the money for other uses and therefore realizing residents fear of much higher taxes.

Even though I now live in Phoenix I have always and will always be a fan of the Islanders, make that the Long Island Islanders. Hey I might be entering my last season living in a NHL city, please vote YES

by IslesinAZ on Jul 31, 2011 12:11 AM EDT reply actions  

thoughts on referendum...

i’m not a nassau county, nor a long island resident. obviously i’d vote YES if i did live there…my whole thing with this is: THIS CANNOT HAPPEN. for the love of everything that is good in this world, it would actually give me a valid reason to give up on life if somehow we fans lose the islanders. not only would i not cheer for another team if this team moves, i would give up on hockey and possibly all other sports. i can’t even imagine the thought of no new york islanders existing. that’s where this really comes down to: the existence of something that we as fans cherish like our children to cease to be. i believe the referendum will pass. however, the legalism and political garbage will find every way to prevent this from happening. this is why the referendum must pass. if somehow no wins, this team will not only move off the island, it will move out of state and possibly out of country. county of nassau, you’re doing this not only for yourselves. you’re doing this for the betterment of the world.

"son of a bitch i'm sick of these dolphins"

- Steve Zissou

by gukid17 on Jul 31, 2011 12:32 AM EDT reply actions  

and one more thing...

you can’t let money stop you from happiness.

"son of a bitch i'm sick of these dolphins"

- Steve Zissou

by gukid17 on Jul 31, 2011 7:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

Awesome nonsense article in the times today. It throws around the 58 dollar per resident number like candy. He also called the nordique fans coming to the island the highlight of last season. I pointed out to him that most of those fans called for the thrashers to move. I emailed the writer. I called his article nonsense and hackery.

Hunter said he was just finishing his check.

by Turgeon1992 on Jul 31, 2011 10:15 AM EDT via mobile reply actions  

That writer in the times?

If he thought the Nordi

"We can't get pushed around," Haley said. "What commentators say about us, that's their job. My job is to try and limit as many people who want to take liberties with our guys as possible."

by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Jul 31, 2011 10:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

That writer in the times?

The Nordique fans the highlight?

In your email did you make fun of him for missing the Pen’s beatdown?

"We can't get pushed around," Haley said. "What commentators say about us, that's their job. My job is to try and limit as many people who want to take liberties with our guys as possible."

by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Jul 31, 2011 10:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

I kept it civil. I said that articles like his are why I never look to the times for hockey news. I should have cited 2-11-11 but he would probably disregard it as proof of the bully unnecessary islanders.

Hunter said he was just finishing his check.

by Turgeon1992 on Jul 31, 2011 1:17 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

seems like some

disgruntled, bitter ranger fan, who did not even bother to check the facts, could care less about the rivalry, and worries more about NBC time slots and Brad Richard signings then about whether his team will do well. Probably lives in Manhattan as well. Great perspective bud.

As an outsider looking in, it is a no brainer. I really think there is a large mass of people who will come out and vote yes on this project. The smallest groups (the no votes) tend to be the most vocal when it comes to just about anything, at the end of the day they just will not over come the overwhelming forces. Think about a small little terrier with a loud bark, I am pretty sure my pack of Dobermans will subtly and quietly rip that pup to pieces.

PAP scores 60 points, zing, lets go islanders.

by ghalbart on Jul 31, 2011 10:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

New arena pic in new Bits post on front page

NY Islanders, just one irrational free agent signing away from contention!
Website:Lighthouse HockeyTwitter: @KeithLHHockey

by Keith Quinn on Jul 31, 2011 10:49 AM EDT reply actions  

Looks amazing

hopefully everything goes through. Ideally it would be nice to get this coliseum built and then zone the surrounding land for property development. Hopefully not just a CVS and a blockbuster.

by ghalbart on Jul 31, 2011 10:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

Just a recommendation

If you go to the polls with Isles gear of any sort, you could encounter problems if the poll workers are personally against and don’t want you to cast your YES vote. Just a thought. I’ve been seeing a few tweets like this.

What the fish, stick?

by Homey Chives on Aug 1, 2011 10:31 AM EDT reply actions  

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