Yandle, Hannan, McCabe: Looking at Rumored Defensemen
by Dominik on Jul 3, 2011 7:01 AM EDT
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PrintI have a hard time believing that Phoenix is shopping RFA defenseman Keith Yandle, the Coyotes' second-leading scorer last year on a balanced team. But who knows? That team took on Michal Rozsival's $5 million cap hit. To me if you can afford $5 million for Rozsi, that means you can afford whatever Yandle's asking for. Alternatively, maybe it means you're crazy.
Or perhaps it's simply a case of selling high, right? Yandle handled roughly second-pairing competition (defensively) last season, had a lot of offensive zone starts to help him pile up 11 goals and 59 points -- so he's very good at his role at age 24, but perhaps not likely to repeat that production and quite likely to catapult up to the salary track of elite defensemen which he may or may not become. Of trivial note: he drew more minor penalties than he took last year (14 vs. 10), no shabby feat for a 24-minute defenseman.
Yotes GM Don Maloney intends to "go after" his RFA's this week, so rumors of Yandle's shopability may just be reporters and fans filling empty space. But with Garth Snow talking about trading for a defenseman, you know people are going to run with the speculation anyway. And it's July funny season, so what the heck: Could it make sense?
Keith Yandle
#3 / Defenseman / Phoenix Coyotes
6-1
195
Sep 09, 1986
Previous Cap Hit: $1.2 million
NHL Seasons: 4+
Depends on Phoenix's -- and Yandle's -- asking price. When you buy unrestricted free agents, you pay more in cash what you did not have to give up in assets. When you make trades, you give up in assets what you did not have to give up in cash. But when you trade for (restricted) free agents coming off career years, you give up both assets and the cash they'll be looking to grab after their career year.
It's a double-whammy, and worse, with Kevin Lowe having long ago destroyed "the second contract" with his Dustin Penner offer sheet, it sets that RFA up on a higher salary trajectory that will one day make him an even richer UFA. Tough to see anyone pulling this deal off given the anticipated cost; even rumors about Yandle being shopped might just be a way of getting him to think twice about asking for the moon from Maloney's dogs.
Other Rumors in the Vacuum
Other rumors you'll come across -- because they aren't signed yet -- are Islanders interest in Scott Hannan or Bryan McCabe. Such interest would contradict what Garth Snow said just two days ago, when he told MSG, the official site and Newsday that he wasn't much impressed by what's left on the UFA blueline market.
If he contradicts that, you have to figure he was playing the card game. But I'm betting there's nothing there. Nonetheless, do Hannan or McCabe make sense?
Scott Hannan
#23 / Defenseman / Washington Capitals
6-1
225
Jan 23, 1979
Previous Cap hit: $4.5 million(!) for 4 years, NMC
NHL Seasons: 11+
Hannan's a strange case because he's hopped from team to team. Each of those teams -- the Sharks, Avalanche and Capitals -- have found some value in some things he does, yet each has let him go. (Granted, San Jose let him go when Colorado decided to give him crazy money and a no-move clause.) Last season with Washington, he was passed by two quasi-rookies in terms of assignments taken and performance delivered.
The year before that, however, for playoff-bound (barely) Colorado he took the toughest assignments on the team by far. You could say he was an important defensemen on a barely playoff team, and marginalized on a decent playoff team. That decent playoff team is letting him walk now, by the way.
At best, he probably gives you veteran depth and some physicality. Figuring out how much he improves your overall defense involves hope and alchemy.
Bryan McCabe
#28 / Florida Panthers
6-2
223
Jun 08, 1975
Previous Cap Hit: $5.75 million for 5 years, NTC
NHL Seasons: 15
McCabe (don't you love that they updated that profile shot with the jaw guard?) is the complete opposite of Hannan: You wouldn't add him for his defensive game, you'd add him for his historical help on the powerplay, with that heavy shot.
But is that even worth it anymore? His roles at even strength the past two seasons with Florida and the Rangers have been middle to low-end. Meanwhile, his powerplay production (which is subject to fluctuation depending on your PP unit and luck) has been just okay at best: 6 PP points in 19 games with the NYR, 7 PP points in 48 games with the Panthers this past season; 19 PP points in 82 games with the Panthers in 2009-10.
The Panthers had the worst powerplay this past season (an abysmal 13%), and it wasn't much better the year before (28th, and 14.2%). Can't pin that on McCabe, but you can't say he was "keying" anyone's powerplay lately. For reference, James Wisniewski collected 13 PP points in 30 games with the Isles, and Andrew MacDonald collected 12 in 60 games, largely adding those PP duties and points in the period after Wiz was dealt.
For the Islanders, I'm not sure McCabe gives you PP help that MacDonald cannot. And considering the weaknesses and/or decline in the rest of McCabe's game, at the very best he would provide veteran depth with -- for nostalgia's sake -- the hope of some powerplay punch. He doesn't fit the much-discussed "top four" criteria, and would be more of a specialist who might add some things we can't capture on a stat sheet. Can't say I'd go there.
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None of these guys (save Yandle, but duh) really seem worth gambling on. They’re old and in decline.
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Yeah we don't really need anyone unless it's a significant upgrade
Congrats with the Leafs sanity in the FA derby. Saw people complaining about the Connolly signing, but that’s a good short term deal. A little expensive, but not hurting the Leafs in cap or development and should help Kessel.
Is it strange that the Leafs and Isles are the voices of reason at GM? How far we’ve come!
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by Keith Quinn on Jul 3, 2011 10:00 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
I consider
Eaton a lateral move to McCabe, and Jurcina an upgrade over McCabe
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Rozsival
PHX can afford the $5M cap space, but traded for the savings. PHX saved approx $800k in cash with the Rozsival trade. For 2011/12, he has a $3M salary vs Wojtek Wolski’s $4M salary. When traded mid-year, WW was at $3.6M salary vs MR’s $4M. The NYR gained $1.2M in cap space with the trade in addition to getting rid of MR who fans tended to brutalize.
the Yandle story/rumor seems to have begun with Bob McKenzie tweet:
Not saying PHX will trade RFA dman Keith Yandle, but my sense is PHX will gauge his trade value as it considers all options (trade or sign).
McKenzie
Is no rumor-monger either from what I understand…that makes it far more valid to me.
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by Keith Quinn on Jul 3, 2011 9:49 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
As always,
I want defense, defense defense. I may not know the players still out there as well as some of you guys and gals, but I’m pretty sure there are no real big game-changers worth a ton of dough, including Yandle. More to the point, this team needs a big and/or tough crease-clearing D-man way, way more than it needs an offensive D-man. To me, that spells McCabe. It seems like he still has enough left to do what Witt did 5 years ago, but better. And the guy is still popular here. To me, bringing McCabe back would seem like a good move all the way around.
....given what I've read - and seen, on naotional television - it's a gamble worth taking, but....
…..STILL a gamble, what with Caber having logged 15 seasons now…..
I think Hannan is worth an offer...
…but I wouldn’t go crazy. The Isles are devoid of size on the back line. Jurcina isn’t a 20+ minute guy, so that leaves Hamonic over-playing his expectations again… and … well… the heightening of expectations of large, but soft Wishart. I’d rather see them get somebody like Hannan (now that White is gone) for two years, ~$4M than to give up on some prospect that should be growing in BP.
Unfortunately, a $4M offer is probably just gonna get your future calls screened. They need to scour the AHL rosters for those 23-25 year olds that are getting pressed under crowded NHL rosters. I have confidence that this regime will find somebody that fits.. just like they got Wiz last year… and even found a way to obtain and improve Jurcina.
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I think Snow's going to surprise us...
ala Mark Streit.
The name he’ll get will come in mid July at the earliest (rookie camp might be a showcase for one of our pieces) and be someone not on the radar.
My 2 pence…
If the plan (realistic or not) is the playoffs
And Snow really believes that, I think you have to take a shot at Yandle. If Snow believes that, he also believes the Hughes we draft next year is 14th. If we somehow win a round, were looking at 22nd. We are likely not seeing that pick for 3 years anyway.
If Yandle is not as good as advertised, we can get something back by trading him somewhere else…its not like he would be a 20 point bust. I hope we look into it.
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by Keith Quinn on Jul 3, 2011 9:55 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
Incarcerated Bob keeps saying Garth is going to talk about a "nice addittion" added to the Islanders today.
I hope it’s true, and prefer it to be a Yandle over a McCabe/Hannan, but I guess I’ll take either.
And completely agree. If Garth really is about making the playoffs, he has to take the home run swing for a Yandle/Suter/similar. He solidified the forwards enough to make us happy, now he has to do the same with the defense. Goalies are what they are.
Just reading about Yandle and how he keeps getting better every year, offensively and defensively, and how his junior numbers were flattering but he had an injury that made his stock drop, make this very enticing. Given everything, Yandle can really jump in points when you realize the players he played with last year at even strength and on the PP. Don’t know if people know this, but Phoenix has “1” 20goal scorer last year when Yandle threw up 11goals/59pts. I really think this kid has untapped potential.
my take on these 3
Yandle – if we can, he would be a good catch, even if only for next year
Hannan – unclear he’s an update over Eaton or Mottau, so why bother – we can do better
McCabe – not really interested – although if Streit isn’t all the way back or gets reinjured, this becomes a more interesting consideration
Streit
What you said is important here. A shoulder can screw up your shot, and if his cannon lost anything, we may need something…Although Jurcina and Hamonic have pretty good shots also.
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by Keith Quinn on Jul 3, 2011 10:02 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Why is everyone high on Babchuk? He's been unable to play reliable defense where ever he's been and doesn't bring better offensive abilities(imo) that a Jurcina could do on the blueline.
by OzzyFan on Jul 3, 2011 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Durability is a big + here.
He also has a great shot and big frame, even though not extremely physical his reach is an advantage.
But the thing is, all this guy is a worse defensive and worse offensive wiz. Who wants that?
I’d take Hillen over that guy any day of the week.
by OzzyFan on Jul 4, 2011 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
....I can't believe for one minute that both Juice and Jack (should he be re-signed after all).....
…..couldn’t vastly improve upon the accuracy of their shots – ditto Reese…..
Im out on Yandle
What a great point about trading for an RFA. Cash plus assets and probably overpaying at that? I’m good thanks.
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by Pauly C on Jul 3, 2011 10:19 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
What sucks is we may not have a choice
The disadvantage we have is this type of deal may be the Isles only option. UFAs don’t sign, and otherwise, we have to wait for picks to pan out. It’s possible that deHaan is as good as Yandle, but that’s unknown, and I he isn’t, we may be behind the 8 ball a bit.
I think we may be fearing the cash+assets thin a bit too much here because we have had to be very cautious about using them. But if that is the landscape, the flip side of that is that all of our players are also worth “cash + assets” and can get a return back. It’s not like that is a on way street. For example, Streit could be traded in the last year of his contract for a first rounder.
Either way, you have to pay for good young players, or you wait for them to develop or do without. It’s the same problem for the whole league.
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by Keith Quinn on Jul 3, 2011 10:27 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
You have to be convinced Yandle is worth it
And that’s debatable. Plus this whole top 4 notion is overrated to me. I have no problem believing Streit, Hamonic, AMac, and one of Eaton, Jurcina could get the job done. All the while seeing what you got in Donovan or deHaan.
I still hold firm to the feeling that if a new building is approved and the isles are close to or in the playoffs this year, twhat UFA problem goes bye-bye.
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by Pauly C on Jul 3, 2011 10:38 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I don't hav any problem thinking the 3 named can do it either
*when healthy
So if any are hurt (I’m a pessimist here) or if one of Ham/Amac take a step back, there’s trouble because I don’t think any of the prospects can give us what any of those 3 are capable of. Agree Yandle is a bit of a gamble, but I also believe there will continue to be a market for him (see Wiz/Ehrhoff) where he can be moved if not great.
But you’re right, standing pat isn’t awful.
Another one to consider may be Alzner or Washington who is an RFA and Washington is up against the cap…sounds like he is the same as Wishart though.
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by Keith Quinn on Jul 3, 2011 10:52 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Was going to mention
Alzner. Real nice player. Actually did some pretty heavy lifting for the Caps too, especially down the stretch. Granted he was usually out there with Carlson, but still someone I’d like having.
Would we need to trade for Alzner, or could he be offer-sheeted?
If he's RFA...
… we could do both. The more your offer sheet is, the more picks you have to give up, which is why typically there ends up being a trade.
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by ICanSeeForIslesAndIsles on Jul 3, 2011 11:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Dynasty Isles: 3 Offensive D, 3 Defensive D
Potvin, Pearson and Johnson provided offense, Morrow, Lane and Langevin did not put up many points…
2 of those were position offensive D, one was obviously a physical offensive D, all the defensive D were physical
by CanadianIsleslifer on Jul 3, 2011 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Potvin was not an offensive OR ...
defensive D-man. He was both, and equally great as both. That’s why he’s one of the best 5 defensemen ever, and better than guys like Leetch and Coffey.
And it was PERSSON. Stefan Persson, not Pearson. He also was excellent at both ends, not strictly an offensive D-Man. And it was Tomas JONSSON, not Johnson. Sheesh.
If any of the 3 were weighted more to the O-side it was Jonsson, but he too was at solid in his own end, though he wasn’t big. He wouldn’t have seen as much ice as he did if he wasn’t. And he wasn’t there for the first 2 cups, by the way. The point is, it’s true that Langevin, Lane and Morrow were true stay at home D-men, but those other 3 played all over the ice, and all together they were an awesome unit that complimented each other perfectly.
not going to get into it with grammar police, but you missed the point entirely
but would politely say thanks for stating the obvious…every Islander fan knows Potvin was one of the best all around D men that ever lived, and long time Isles fans now Stefan was one of the most under rated dynasty Isles players….
i do think you missed the entire point….of those top six D…THERE WERE ONLY 3 WHO WERE OFFENSIVE D….that is not to be taken to mean they didn’t play defensively,
it is a reminder to those who believe we need a top 4 D with offense,
the Dynasty did not have that….for the record, Stefan was a positional D men defensively, in the mold of Lindstrom
by CanadianIsleslifer on Jul 3, 2011 10:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Sorry you gauged ...
my comment as overreaction. “3 Offensive D” immediately struck me as guys decidedly more offensive than defensive, like Leetch and Coffey. That’s what I reacted to.
As far as the “grammar police” thing is concerned, I don’t think the spelling of a guy’s name is grammar, or trivial, but what the hey.
Sorry if it rubbed you the wrong way, and it does seem I assumed a more narrow intent in your comments than you intended. My fault there, I got a little too senstive to nostalgic Islander stuff.
lol
no problem dose, i was typing fast and thinking of swedish names, johnson, nilson, person, they seem to have three spellings or more for each…but anyway, cheers
by CanadianIsleslifer on Jul 5, 2011 2:49 AM EDT up reply actions
You have to be convinced Yandle is worth it
And that’s debatable. Plus this whole top 4 notion is overrated to me. I have no problem believing Streit, Hamonic, AMac, and one of Eaton, Jurcina could get the job done. All the while seeing what you got in Donovan or deHaan.
I still hold firm to the feeling that if a new building is approved and the isles are close to or in the playoffs this year, twhat UFA problem goes bye-bye.
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by Pauly C on Jul 3, 2011 10:38 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
i would too but
i doubt he will be traded now, if this was going to happen, i have to think tallon would have drafted larsson over huberdeau
by CanadianIsleslifer on Jul 3, 2011 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Other Veteran D-man
Such as Gonchar or Aucoin would probably do just as well if not better than McCabe or Hannan. Why not trade for them as it wouldn’t cost too much in the way of prospects. Or, Snow could kick the tires on Anehiem’s Visnovsky? He fits the bill of what Snow is looking for
by Youngblood79 on Jul 4, 2011 9:02 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
He really wasn't touted as being very good
Projected to be, at best, a bottom pairing guy, but probably depth AHL/NHL shuttle player. He had a big spike in production in his draft yr (50 pts in 68 GP), but saw his +/- slip to negative 23. This yr, 30 pts in 52 games, but +9. He may be signed to BPT or the ECHL depending on how other things shake out, but BPT is getting crowded too.
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by Keith Quinn on Jul 3, 2011 11:07 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
He also was in his overage year
It was his second go round in the draft when the Islanders took him. This past year was his overage year so take it for what it’s worth.
Paired with DeHaan
He was paired to paired to protect DeHaan. DeHart is known for his willingness to drop the gloves and more importantly take stupid penalties. He has some growing up to do.
The question we are asking is how much talent does he have? Right now he is behind our other defenseman until proven otherwise.
Stupid Penaltires?
82 PIM in almost 60 games?
that doesn’t seem too bad.
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Dehart?
does anyone know Dehart’s status? is he still Isles property? will he be in the Bridge? did they choose not to sign him?
by CanadianIsleslifer on Jul 3, 2011 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Incarceradamos
UPDATED NHL RUMORSSource: Still hearing Garth Snow has a “NICE ADDITION” to be made today : Canadiens have a ultimatum out2 Gomez
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by Keith Quinn on Jul 3, 2011 10:47 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
Officially holding my breath...
one…two…three…
;)
The Gomez thing is interesting too
Another Sather contract heading to the AHL?
Vote Yes on August 1st.
Looks possible
But they have to pay him either way, so if they don’t have an upgrade, why bother…I’m assuming that is some bluster to get him to “play better”.
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I don't see how anyone could sign with the rags
there’s no loyalty in the organization. they hamstring themselves with asinine contacts and then bury the player in the AHL if it doesn’t pan out. MSG is where careers go to die.
Yeah but on the other hand
ca-ching!
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by Fabtraption on Jul 3, 2011 1:09 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
If you had the choice between finishing your career in the KHL
or in the NHL with the Rangers, for the same money, which would you choose?
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So wait, you're telling me I have the choice between working for a thoroughly corrupt, idiotic organization with inept management
or live in Russia?
That’s a hard choice…
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by Fabtraption on Jul 3, 2011 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions 7 recs
That's ok... There's more than enough of us to get it green.
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by ICanSeeForIslesAndIsles on Jul 3, 2011 8:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Choices...choices...choices when the pickings are slim
Here are our options for UFA’s and RFA’s.
- McCabe
- Hannan
- Babchuk
- Kaberle
- Yandle
- Weber
All but Babchuk are in their twilight of their careers. Kaberle offers the most offense but is soft defensively.
Can we afford any of the RFA’s? We are not the only team looking at Yandle and if I were Maloney I would turn into a bidding war.
Snow has to be looking somewhere else to improve our backline.
Leafs deal
Aaron Portzline
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MT @DamoSpin: Toronto Star sources: Leafs acquire D Cody Fransen and C Matthew Lombardi from NASH for D Brett Lebda and F Robert Slaney.
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Fransen
Surprised that Nashville gave up on him, he looked to be a part of their D for a long time.
by Woodstock 69 on Jul 3, 2011 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Nashville has so many good defenders in the pipeline, they won't miss him.
But I’m surprised they didn’t trade for a better forward. They desperately need good offence.
James Mirtle
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That deal includes a conditional pick: If Lombardi plays 60 games, Preds get a fourth-rounder in 2013. If he doesn’t, Leafs get one.
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Wonder if this is one of the things Snow was in on
Darren Dreger
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Franson is a top 4 D. Lombardi will go on LTI if he can’t play because of health.
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TSNRyanRishaug Ryan Rishaug
Franson is a little soft for his size, but 6-5 right shot 30pt dmen for 800k aren’t easy to find. Preds clearing space for Weber deal?
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Scouting report from @Forechecker: “Franson is soft as a kitten, dynamic offensively. Pretend he’s 5’6” not 6’5", and you’ll be thrilled."
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I don't understand this trade at all for Nashville.
Lebda is terrible and not getting any better. Slaney put up half a point per game in the ECHL. Sure, Lombardi is injured right now but he’s capable of a 50 point season. Franson is 23 and already a solid NHL defenseman.
by nyislanders93 on Jul 3, 2011 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah
Suter too I think.
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Wow, Leafs are working hard to better their team "smartly" this offseason.
If Lombardi is healthy, they make out on this trade like bandits.
Free agency, trades and the cap
it’s fun and annoying for the same reasons…each move leads to speculation about the next move, what shakes loose or becomes available and what you can hope to get for your team…here is the Leafs depth chart now. I don’t want any part of Komi.
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Bad news for Mike Komisarek: Franson joins Phaneuf, Schenn as right side d-men. Top six now Aulie-Phaneuf, Liles-Schenn, Gunnarsson-Franson.
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bradyfan590 Greg Brady
Obviously, Ryan Ellis either makes the Preds as a 20-year old or gets his AHL card stamped w/ the Milwaukee Admirals & Kirk Muller….
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With Komisarek extranneous
Might Snow be targeting him – not exactly top 4 anymore, nor was he ever an offensive juggernaut. Doesn’t seem to be the type of guy Snow would target at this point.
He better not
3 years of terrible left with a 4.5 mil cap hit. Fuck that.
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Komisarek is a Long Island boy...
…so you never know!
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by The Black Map on Jul 3, 2011 7:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Let de Haan learn from the master
Two full seasons with Streit should do the trick making Calvin a top 4 defensemen.
De Haan
I’m content letting De Haan continue to develop.
Bruising Defensemen
Hey Folks,
Been reading the posts here for a while and decided to get in on the fun. I am one who thinks our problem is more in the goalie carousel/instability than our defense. However, I think adding a defenseman is definitely a need. I like the idea of Yandle, but I do agree we need a physical d-man over an offensive one, especially with our prospects. Here is a thought, what about trying to trade for Niklas Kronwall. He is insanely physical. He only has one year left on his contract and Detroit needs to get younger. Maybe give them a lower prospect and a 2nd round pick? Say Donovan or Ness and a 2nd? Thoughts
It would kinda suck to give up a good kid like that AND a 2nd round pick for a guy who could leave at the end of the season
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by TheMetalChick on Jul 3, 2011 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
trade and sign
well I guess I’d add in there only if Garth knew he could sign him longer after the trade
Welcome...
… Donovan may turn out to be the best D prospect in the system not named Hamonic. That may be a stretch, but he has already impressed against men, where deHaan has done nothing but get hurt against boys. I’d like to see them both develop for a year or two against guys fighting for paychecks… then we’ll have a better handle on where we stand.
Picks are cheap for the Islanders now…. but middle six forward prospects might be cheaper. I think that’s the pool to draw from right now.
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Donovan
dont know much about him…care to give a scouting report and comparison to current NHLer
Really small sample...
…but when I watched Denver games to follow Rhett, Donovan was the best player on the ice. About 4 games total… never disappointed. He moves the puck well, gets to open ice(aggressive defender), and handled his own zone well.
It will be interesting to see how he does in a larger sample in the AHL (as CIL said below), but I think he’s one of the better prospects that doesn’t get a lot of ink. You really should read up on his story, it’s rather interesting. He definitely has THE WILL to be in the NHL.
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He sees the ice well. He rotates in to plays really good and should be at least a decent PP specialist. I watched a couple of DU games and in one he went end to end for a goal. There was some criticism about his skating when he was first drafted but I see nothing wrong with it and if anything he is a good skater now. Great passes. Ceiling wise I’d say he would be like Duncan Keith. He has a lot of work ahead of him to get to that level of course but I would think that’s the style he plays.
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Donovan
did not miss a beat in point production moving from NCAA to the bridge, but that is far to few games to get a complete view…it does give one promise…he is the toughest and meanest of the smallish puckmovers…6’0 190ish
by CanadianIsleslifer on Jul 3, 2011 3:38 PM EDT up reply actions
With Rafalski retiring, I doubt they move Kronwall. They need him.
And Kronwall is physical and offensive.
Yandle over McCabe
…by a mile. I know the cost is a lot more, but I don’t see McCabe as a good stop-gap. Is Yandle physical enough to be a good fit? Hard to say, but if Jurcina or Wishart can play like a top-4 D-man, Isles have enough quality physical D, and the top 5 look really, really, really good for Isles with the addition of Yandle. Is it worth next year’s first rounder, a Parenteau/Comeau, and a good prospect? I think so. (Three promising questionables for a very strong player.) Is that enough to get a deal done? Not sure.
But if Jurcina/Wishart aren’t capable of top-4 play, I don’t want to see the Isles stuck with an undersized top-4.
I’m also fine with Isles staying as they are heading into the season. I like Jurcina/Wishart more than most of us, it seems.
by North Dakota Red Eagle on Jul 3, 2011 2:00 PM EDT reply actions
I'm down with Yandle...good offensive upside
Physically could step it up, but totally worth a little cashola.
You only figure 8 once.
by The Black Map on Jul 3, 2011 7:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Grabs on Twitter
Check out what I parked next to in slovenija..didn’t know we had some hardcore fans there :) #isles http://t.co/IlI2Hzf
and
Here is another pic #isles http://t.co/yti3W0z
Too funny
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by ArsenalLI on Jul 3, 2011 2:10 PM EDT reply actions 3 recs
Those pics are great. :)
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by TheMetalChick on Jul 3, 2011 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions
ok so incarcerated bob just tweeted sometihng that seems interesting
but I do not have access to it, someone post what he posted?
James T Paulson
well at least someone on the isles twitter link thought so
he was responding to something incarceratedbob posted apparently
His response was;
czar0406 Jaret Czarniecki
@
@incarceratedbob does it involve the #Isles ?
James T Paulson
by Jtpdolphins2009 on Jul 3, 2011 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Not mentioning the Isles much... this is all I see (besides Isles fans asking him if anythings up w/the Isles)
incarcerated bob
incarceratedbob incarcerated bob
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@Redemption__ Islanders are not trading Tavares.. Stop it!
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incarcerated bob
incarceratedbob incarcerated bob
UPDATED NHL RUMORSSource: Still hearing Garth Snow has a “NICE ADDITION” to be made today…
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by TheMetalChick on Jul 3, 2011 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Grabs
grabs40 Michael Grabner
Chick flick time=brutal…it’s like back to back games,gotta battle through it haha.
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So very true…
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he is such a riot
I would love to invite him to every party or barbeque I ever have.
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by mikb on Jul 3, 2011 9:44 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
We "need" to find longterm solutions. Stop gaps are only temporary solutions that will need to be addressed again.
If we wanna solve the problem, why not solve it so we won’t have to fix it for another 5yrs instead of having to fix it every year or 2? That’s why Yandle or Suter(if possible) make the most sense. Can play top pairing minutes reliable, add great offensive punch, and are young enough where we can give them a 5/6yr deal and feel good about them being productive and effective throughout the life of it. It’s the best thing to do, may be a little big costlier then other options, but it’s honestly the best solution.
How much are we giving up?
That’s really the biggest question if we’re getting Yandle or Suter. As Dom illustrated above, the danger with obtaining RFA’s is the loss in both assets and cap space.
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Everybody loses cap space by bringing in a top 4 d-man. And right now, cap space is a plenty.
The assets is the question though.
I was starting to be really hopeful...
The only one person that I want to show that I’ve changed is Garth Snow. I know I have changed a lot and have become more mature on the ice and off the ice. I don’t care what people think about me because I don’t think about them, at all. Honestly, they can think and say all the bad stuff they want about me, but at least they think about me, you know? I am 18 years old, drafted into the NHL, and I am fortunate to have signed a deal at 18 years old. I think the people who think bad things about me feel as if they are the best but they are pretty much nothing in this life. I know that I have grown up a lot but they can still think whatever they want.
- Kabanov in a recent interview with Shawn Reznik of THW.
It’s a pretty good read, and tells the story of a kid who has turned it around…or is TRYING to turn it around. It’s comments like this one, though, that make me think he’s not ready to play against men. One more year in kindergarten, and then hopefully he’ll get a shot Which brings up this point… He is a european contract on Montreal(due to Lewiston being broken up), are there any loopholes that could have him in Bridgeport next year?
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As an aside:
Compare and 18 year old saying essentially the same thing as a 26 year old Lebron. That’s the type of stuff you say when you’re a teenager…
Does anyone know Russian?
I wonder how statements like this translate across languages (i’m not saying that the author translated, I’m saying that due to language differences, sometimes nuances don’t show up). Russian always sounds weird in it’s choppiness. I could just as easily read the whole paragraph differently…picture this as a media savvy Canadian kid was trying to give a standard answer.
I just want to prove that to Garth that he made the right decision. I know I got off on the wrong foot, but this lasy year I.ve matured a lot both on and off the ice. I can’t really be concerned right now about what people are going to say about me. I just need to go out and play my game and not worry about the past and what other people are saying right now…I can only control how I do in the future. I was fortunate enough to be drafted into THE NHL at 17 and sign a contract at 18 years old. So I have to make sure I do my part to justify that
Because honestly, the rest of the article talks about how hard he is working to make sure he isn’t taking anything for granted…He was basically saying that
SR: Well now that the Islanders look like they really want you, you might already think you have a spot on the team that is reserved for you.
KK: Well I will try to do all that I can, but it depends on the GM, Garth Snow? So it’s all about him. And about the coaches. I will try to do my best and work hard.
SR: So what have you been doing this offseason?
KK: Working out. I have been working out for 4 weeks, already. 2 here on Long Island and 2 back home. I haven’t skated too much, yet, but I skated back home for a couple days.
KK: I tried to become more of a team-player, backcheck a lot, and play defense better. I had wonderful coaches this year like Darren Rumble and Jean-Francois Houle. They were some of the best I have ever worked with, I think. Really great guys. They told me to generate more defense and start to play the game that I am used to. Scouts like me more when I play like that.
I knew reading this this morning that it could be taken the wrong way…the flip side on this whole scenario is I believe that he author is a 21 year old kid…I seem to feel like I read that somewhere this morning…from twitter page
Shawn Reznik
Shawn Reznik
@ShawnReznikTHW view full profile →
College student and aspiring NHL writer/scout/agent…or lawyer. Take your pick. http://www.thehockeywriters.com/author/sreznik
This is not even Rob McGowan of THW/NYI Blog box, so I’m not sure how this is going to go over with the team. I’m just not sure this is an arrogance thing, since many Russians who give interviews have similar isssues of sounding arrogant when stuff hits print.
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I honestly do not think he sounds arrogant, it did not even occur to me. I agree its a language thing
Besides some errors (like “for all intensive purposes” which drives me CRAZZZZZZYYYYY) its a pretty good job.
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by TheMetalChick on Jul 3, 2011 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Right
how many freaking typos and language problems does the author have in here? And I’m supposed to expect him to present the right way? The only shame on Kirill here is probably doing an interview unauthorized…I’m sure Isles brass wants to keep him away from this stuff…or at least have a rep there to help him through it.
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I sincerely wonder if english is not his primary language, either.
If it is not, then we have to be far more forgiving.
If it is, he REALLY needs to have someone edit his work.
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by TheMetalChick on Jul 3, 2011 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions
But alas
no editors on blogs…sometimes, I beg Dom to look at my stuff, but I understand that is near impossible since virtually nobody makes money doing this and has to work themselves. I have a friend of mine who is one of those guys who has 3000 college credits and no degree, but is a literary genius…he has picked up a ton of problems in my stuff that are verb tense issues that to the naked eye, most miss. But that type of stuff is pretty apparent…and would show up in a word document as incorrect.
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I am an editor, interestingly enough.
And a person can do alright even if they just turn the grammar check and spell check on in Word.
Much better than that, anyway.
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by TheMetalChick on Jul 3, 2011 4:32 PM EDT up reply actions
i must confess
i blog as if having a conversation, i rarely if ever proof read or spell check, but if i am publishing something with my real name, that is not just a conversation but one’s “bread and butter” so i do the spell check and everything else…TMC has a solid point though, it is so much easier today with computers than it used to be
by CanadianIsleslifer on Jul 3, 2011 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions
That makes sense
But the site is called the hockey writers, not the hockey bloggers lol.
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by TheMetalChick on Jul 3, 2011 5:03 PM EDT up reply actions
I must confess as well
-that my consistent aversion regarding apostrophe usage is only during informal writing.
I do use them when I am writing something that “counts” :)
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by TheMetalChick on Jul 3, 2011 5:06 PM EDT up reply actions
I lower the bar...
…when I’m reading from a monitor. Amazingly I glossed over most of the mistakes. I noticed most, but as I am just as guilty I give this medium a pass… though I don’t think we should.
Regardless of the writing, I wasn’t trying to point out the NEGATIVE aspects of the article, just the maturity level of Kirill. I think Kirill is starting to “get it” on the ice… even to some extent off the ice… but he probably needs a little more life experience to be ready for the travel, the grind and the nightly beat down by guys who CAN catch you and who want to prove that YOU DON’T BELONG.
I wonder if Garth will unleash him this year. He very well could form a nice fourth line with Reasoner and Nino, then have Bailey with Comeau and Martin. That would give Hunter a few games in and out of the lineup early, as well as putting Haley back in the A to help protect the freshman class… and maybe even PRODUCE as a seasoned AHL veteran(which he did quite well last year).
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Got ya
but you see how quickly it goes that way for the kid…and to me it is somewhat of a sterotype of Russian players to begin with (aloof, lazy, enigmatic, arrogant etc). But your take on it aside, reading it myself, it bothered me because I felt the author was careless by not following up to get an exact interpretation.
I also, (being a recovering youthful screw up myself) have a soft spot for a kid who can’t seem to dig himself out of a hole. Not that you can judge character well from meeting someone in a controlled situation, but at that draft party, he was genuinely excited to be there…he didn’t have to make himself available to all those fans (and even out in front of the building prior to the start of the thing), but he did. He seems to know he has to go above and beyond and willing to do so. I just hate that small wordings can potentially effect what maay otherwise be a great transformation.
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Similar perspective...
I also, (being a recovering youthful screw up myself) have a soft spot for a kid who can’t seem to dig himself out of a hole.
Just remove the “recovering” and you have my life story…
I was not a big fan last year of his work ethic, attitude or his style of play. I think he’s made strides in all three categories this year, and it’s funny because he did it when he got away from Flynn. I have no idea what was going on inside his head, but I have a feeling he’s the type of kid who may get caught up in proving others wrong, rather than proving himself right. I hope that’s not the case, because when that happens you risk getting lost in the journey… which is the best part.
Let’s hope he has fun this year, where ever he is, enjoys getting better, makes his teammates better and allows for good relationships with his coaches. If that stuff happens then he is going to be a Calder Candidate for sure in 2012-13… and if you add Strome and Petrov to the competition for starting top nine forward positions in 2012 the upside of that roster is INCREDIBLE.
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by JPinVA on Jul 5, 2011 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
that drives me nuts....
that and ppl who spell “a lot” as one word…alot
by CanadianIsleslifer on Jul 4, 2011 1:21 PM EDT up reply actions
The Alot
Is much better than you at everything.
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Could be worse
I’ve got a friend who said “minus well” instead of “might as well”
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by ilopan on Jul 4, 2011 10:13 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
probably just really good at subtraction
:::staying positive:::
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And also
I’d bet this is the first “interview” this kid did (author) especially with a Russian born player.
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It's hard to tell if this interview was conducted in english or russian.
If it was conducted in Russian, I doubt that Shawn Reznik possesses sufficient translation skills and strong enough Russian to communicate what was meant by KK’s answers. Some things were lost in translation.
If it was done in English, I doubt KK’s command of the language is strong enough to convey the message. Some answers sound like they were thought through in Russian and spoken in English.
If there’s anything specific you would like translated, please provide the Russian text. I’ll do my best to translate and explain.
What I was thinkng is this
If you were to translate this into Russian, then back to English, what would you have? Is there enough language crossover to communicate this without sounding…I guess…arrogant?
I just want to prove that to Garth that he made the right decision. I know I got off on the wrong foot, but this lasy year I.ve matured a lot both on and off the ice. I can’t really be concerned right now about what people are going to say about me. I just need to go out and play my game and not worry about the past and what other people are saying right now…I can only control how I do in the future. I was fortunate enough to be drafted into THE NHL at 17 and sign a contract at 18 years old. So I have to make sure I do my part to justify that
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I guess one can try to smooth out the edges.
In my opinion, KK’s answer here does come off slightly bitter rather than arrogant. His pride and ego were bruised and he tries too hard to impress people all over again, even though he doesn’t have to. Like JP said earlier: “he’s the type of kid who may get caught up in proving others wrong, rather than proving himself right.”
Probably no loophole...
The agreement between NHL and CHL is pretty clear. A player from the CHL has to either turn 20 by December 31st of the season or have completed 4 seasons of junior eligibility. This agreement also covers European players if they are drafted out of the CHL, which is Kabanov’s case.
But what happens if Montreal releases Kabanov and no team in the CHL wants him?
I thought I saw somewhere
that if the junior team gives permission, the player can play in the NHL. It may be a money thing in order to make sure that junior teams stay viable. (I thought Dom said that somewhere). I’m pretty sure it’s not for health reasons. So perhaps the idea all along was for Montreal to draft Kirill, release him, and let him play at BPT, and that is why it was imperative that he be signed before the upcoming camp and stuff?
Significant chance I’m wrong. Mikb and Dom have a far greater grasp of the CBA and transfer rules than I do.
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if the junior team gives permission, the player can play in the NHL.
I believe it is possible for a junior team to give permission for a player to play in the AHL. I dont think they have to grant permission if he goes to the NHL.
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by TheMetalChick on Jul 3, 2011 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions
That would be awesome
and explain why we don’t give a crap about Gregoire.
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I could be wrong
But I think thats how it goes.
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by TheMetalChick on Jul 3, 2011 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions
i thought there was an age restriction
on going from juniors to ahl?
by CanadianIsleslifer on Jul 3, 2011 4:49 PM EDT up reply actions
I think 20
unless that permission is given.
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Trust in Garth
There are definitely some things that Garth knows that we don’t, and given all that Kirill’s been through since he’s been drafted, I’d say that it shows Garth has faith that Kirill is making the right strides to be an NHL’er. The kid even made an appearance at the Draft Party, which tells me that right now he is considered an important piece of the future of the organization.
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His appearance was really nice, too
He was in a suit and was going out of his way to talk to people, sign autographs, he was very personable and friendly. He was out with the fans more than pretty much any of the other guys.
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by TheMetalChick on Jul 3, 2011 4:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Did not remotely strike me as arrogant
and honestly, did not remotely strike me as understanding a lot of what I was saying to him either. I think Bryan2112 said the same.
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lol
I remember him explaining that he leaned in to the pic with me because Im short. His explanation was pretty funny, something like “You see why I did that to you for the picture, I tried to make it good” Yes Kirill, I know Im short lol.
I couldnt find private contact information for the writer of this interview I wrote to thehockeywriters.com about the article:
First of all, this is a very nice interview and I appreciate the writer’s hard work. However, the writer is in DIRE need of an editor. There are so many errors in this document that a quick read-through by an editor would have easily fixed. This e-mail indicates that there IS an editor at TheHockeyWriters.com, so I am left wondering: If there is indeed an editor, then why hasn’t anyone helped this poor kid out?
Leaving things the way they are takes away focus from the writer’s good efforts and is ultimately a very poor reflection of the standards you maintain for your website.
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by TheMetalChick on Jul 3, 2011 4:45 PM EDT up reply actions
doesn't bother me
of course the kid is going to be hurt by some of the media, sounds like he is trying to keep a stiff upper lip, but did expose it “sensativity” by getting an elbow or two back at his critics…i don’t have tattoos, but i know KK is my no means the first kid today to put a tatoo anywhere on his body he has,… i do have concerns about partying, don’t want him to be a derek sanderson, but i think he knows what he could lose…i am not judging him either…i did more than my share of partying as a student – including living in montreal – so i am not going to be a hypocrit, but i also knew i had to buckle down and couldn’t party all the time…kk is ultimately the only one that can make these choices. i like the fact his mother is now living in long island and is in his life helping keep him on track…KK has done nothing wrong as of yet…
the are others in NHL today who have been much worse at his age, court cases, accusations of rape etc. Jovo?
by CanadianIsleslifer on Jul 3, 2011 4:25 PM EDT reply actions
I'm hearing
We’re interested in Jason Arnott (Don’t know why) and still acquiring a defenceman via trade.
The rumors may say so
but Im sure we arnott.
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by TheMetalChick on Jul 3, 2011 6:32 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
That hurts
But must be rec’d nonetheless. ;-)
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by ICanSeeForIslesAndIsles on Jul 3, 2011 8:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Now they have a reason
to sign Mike Grier, Petr Prucha, and Andy Hilbert to 5 year deals
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by Chris McNally on Jul 3, 2011 6:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Getting back to Yandle....
If he is available what would be worth it to get the deal done? Ness, Rahkshani and a 3rd rounder I could live with. Upgrade the 3rd to a 2nd but only if they take Eaton too. I think Yandle would look good with Streit on the PP but it would be hard to give up much for a guy who may only stay 1 year.
Sorry but we have to be realistic with Yandle
And I think we would have to give up waaaaaaaaaaaaaaay better talent than a project, under-sized defenseman, a projected 4rd line winger, and a 3rd round pick for a 24 year old defenseman who just put up 60 points last season. Maloney would be certifiably insane if he did anything close to that.
Then again Maloney did make a couple choise decisions on the Island, so who knows.
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by Chris McNally on Jul 3, 2011 7:09 PM EDT up reply actions
I meant 3rd line winger in Rhakshani
apparantly 4rd is in between 3rd and 4th. My bad.
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by Chris McNally on Jul 3, 2011 7:10 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm thinking of buying a 4rd. T
Thanks for the vanity plate idea.
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by ICanSeeForIslesAndIsles on Jul 3, 2011 8:23 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
I guess if we're sticking with it, then Reasoner and Martin
4rd line forwards
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by Chris McNally on Jul 3, 2011 8:47 PM EDT up reply actions
It will cost us, but Yandle could very well be sliding right into the spring of his prime
I say grab him now.
You only figure 8 once.
by The Black Map on Jul 3, 2011 7:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Pay the price with middle 6 forwards
Everyone panics over the idea of trading Bailey or Comeau, But you have to give up quality to get quality, I’m not giving up on them, I think their potential has value. So does Yandle. We have also built great depth in Middle six forwed prospects. Every one loves Lee, KK, Nelson etc. these guys will need somewhere to fit on the roster.
This IS the year.
While trading an RFA for an RFA
is appealiing, I don’t think the Yotes are going to be up for a deal like that. Plus, while you’re right room needs to be made if any other those guys were to be on the roster, but none of those players are close to ready. Those are the kind of guys you trade for an established NHL player. Prospects who are question marks. I don’t think you trade Comeau, a guy who has increased his point total at least 10 points every season he has been in the league, until the ceiling is reached. I think trading a guy who scored 24 goals in an NHL season at 24 years of age with the HOPE that one of our prospects can emerge SOMEDAY replace his production isn’t the wisest move
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by Chris McNally on Jul 3, 2011 8:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Then again...
Trading a guy who’s consistency issues linger but shows flashes of scoring potential to go along with that year over year progression to a team that is offensively challenged…for an offensive defenseman might be just the thing…
Carle
I like the idea of Yandle, but Garth won’t be willing to pay the cost for him. I think it could end up being something like Mottau+3rd for Carle.
Oilers Sign Josh Green to One-year, Two-way Contract
Man, when I read that, I couldn’t believe he was still kicking around the NHL/AHL. It’s been years since he was supposed to be a “promising power forward” for the Isles.
!!!
Wow. Good luck, Josh.
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Wild Trades Havlat to SJ for Heatley.
Um. wow.
"I think we consider too much the luck of the early bird and not enough the bad luck of the early worm." ~ FDR
I don't think either is cheap
Sounds like it’s yet another team fed up with Heatley, yet another team willing to take a chance on him.
"I think we consider too much the luck of the early bird and not enough the bad luck of the early worm." ~ FDR
I knew SJ was not happy with Heatley but....
seems like a salry dump
Heatley is a 7.5 mil cap hit, Havlat is 5 mil
A slight salary dump perhaps, but it looks more of a headache dump.
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Why dont the Wild and Sharks completely swap teams
bc by the opening of training camp thats the rate theyre going
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by Chris McNally on Jul 4, 2011 12:33 AM EDT up reply actions
does that mean Marty Reasoner has to change his name
to Marty Islanders?
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by Chris McNally on Jul 4, 2011 12:38 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
HA!
Brad Rangers: Um why did my name change?
Sather: You should have read the fine print. You think we front loaded this contract and are even dishing out 8m in a potential lockout year for nothing?
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by TheMetalChick on Jul 4, 2011 1:09 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Heh
I’m going to call him Bradley Richards from now on.
Or maybe Bradford Richards.
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Guess we're not getting that "nice addition" from Garth today
Unless he went out and bought a new sofa from Raymour and Flannigan and it hasn’t hit the news wire yet
I'm the only RFA to get a qualifying offer worth less than the year before
by Chris McNally on Jul 4, 2011 12:50 AM EDT reply actions 4 recs
I dont want to sound like a broken record
But Id much rather Snow take his time and do something only if its clearly great for this team than for him to do something just for the sake of doing and placating people, then trying to rationalize to us why it was so great… like so many other GMs do.
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by TheMetalChick on Jul 4, 2011 1:08 AM EDT up reply actions
I totally agree
and I think Garth has made the right moves when they needed to be made so far. Its just that with the rumors on twitter about a possible move today, I was just hoping for something. I have been very impressed with the way Garth has pieced this team together and Im sure if another move is going to present itself, he will choose the right time to make that move
I'm the only RFA to get a qualifying offer worth less than the year before
by Chris McNally on Jul 4, 2011 1:32 AM EDT up reply actions
I can understand hoping for something
But if you look at Isles fans comments around the net, you would think that this seasons defense is a shattered mess compared to all others in recorded history- and its not.
This is what happens when a team is getting better, I guess- people have to blow up fewer problems into far bigger deals in order to maintain the same level of complaining lol.
Let Us Go, Islanders! (Ever notice how strange that sounds without the contraction?)
by TheMetalChick on Jul 4, 2011 9:48 AM EDT up reply actions
On the flip side
We were 4th from last in the league last year. Not to the extent they do it on IPB, but Isles fans have a right to complain. The product on ice hasn’t been worth watching for a decade (for the most part).
I agree w/ the ‘proceed cautiously’ logic put out there…but there are still holes to fill on this team that need to be filled if we’re going to be a serious contender to make the playoffs.
Interestingly enough, I think were the 5th best team in the nhl last year after Jan or Feb XX.
Pretty interesting that if we can get any type of a winning run like that and have no big losing drought, we can be a playoff team somewhat easily.
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May 24, 1980: Tonelli to Nystrom. At long last, the steady build of the New York Islanders from expansion doormat to surprise semifinalist to annual contender reaches the promised land: Buoyed by a late season trade for Butch Goring that gave the team the depth up the middle GM Bill Torrey had been seeking, the Islanders knock off the Philadelphia Flyers in six games.
The victory justified the faith in coach Al Arbour who guided them from their second season to their first Stanley Cup seven seasons later. The Islanders would not be the first expansion team to win the Stanley Cup, but they would be the only one capable of a dynasty.
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May 21, 1981: This time it was much easier. After falling to "only" 91 points in the 1979-80 season, the Islanders returned to their division title tradition, piling up 110 points -- a whole 13 points over second-place Philadelphia.
Between the quarterfinals (where they beat the upstart Oilers in six games) and the finals, the Islanders reeled off eight consecutive wins -- with a four-game sweep of archrival Rangers in between. As they defeated the Minnesota North Stars in five games for their second Cup, their goal difference in the final was a combined +10.
1981-82
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May 16, 1982: Another year, another landslide title. The Islanders won the Patrick Division by a whopping 26 points over the second-place Rangers, and were seven points clear of their nearest competition for the President's Trophy, the still-not-quite-ripe Edmonton Oilers.
A first-round scare against the Pittsburgh Penguins turned in the Isles' favor thanks to John Tonelli's heroics, and a true dynasty was on its way: Past the Rangers in six games, then an eight-game sweep of the Quebec Nordiques and Vancouver Canucks to run away with the Stanley Cup.
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May 17, 1983: Not so fast, whipper-snappers. The Edmonton Oilers' steadily rising challenge for league supremacy took them all the way to the finals for the first time, where the New York Islanders summarily dispatched them in a four-game sweep. For the Islanders, the Dynasty was secured. For the Oilers, it was a powerful lesson in where talent ends and the demands of playoff hockey begin.
Four years, four Cups, 16 consecutive playoff series wins (a record that would grow to 19 until the rematch with the Oilers the following year). Mike Bossy scored 60 goals yet again, and Wayne Gretzky became acquainted with Billy Smith's crease.
