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LaFontaine to Okposo: 20 Years of Context for the Coliseum Rally

That's the hope.

Note: The referendum rally takes place beginning at 4 p.m. today, with Blue Oyster Cult performing. Ty Wishart and Matt Moulson are expected, along with other Islanders names. If you went, feel free to share experiences in this thread. Meanwhile, check this thread for information on the Rock the Referendum contest, a way for residents and non-residents alike to engage.

It's almost impossible to overstate the gravity of next Monday, and the arena referendum is naturally dominating discussion and topics. That said, we still want to provide non-political hockey content for everyone who turns to this site for a diversion.

The latest Q&A with superagent Don Meehan (who represents Moulson) got me thinking about the Islanders past and present, their condition now versus their condition in 1991 when Pat LaFontaine was holding out. For 20 years a variety of factors have held this franchise back, leading to the departure of star after star. But so far in 2011, the Islanders have locked up key players like Kyle Okposo, Michael Grabner and Moulson. A change is afoot...one that can finally pay off, if outside variables finally go the Islanders' way.

"Does he want to stay? What are his thoughts on term? Now we finally get to the comps (comparables). What’s the internal salary structure? Who’s he comparable to on the team?"

>>Agent Don Meehan, on the negotiating process. Toronto Star

Star-divide

That key phrase, "internal salary structure" caught my eye, because you know it's something teams try to exercise but it's rare to see agents discuss it publicly, as it overtly implies accepting less money than that available on the open market. Whether you're a cap ceiling team or an internal budget team, it's in your interest to operate this way for one simple reason: Maintaining flexibility, so that you can more easily adapt to changing needs.

This spring Okposo and Grabner signed five-year contracts that carried over into what would be their first year of unrestricted free agency. But just as importantly, they reflected player and team buying into an internal salary structure.

Of course, despite their promise and career trajectory, Okposo and Grabner are hardly established stars, so it's not like they left a ton of money on the table. (And further, they were restricted, so their immediate leverage was quite limited.) But in return for the term commitment the team showed them, they accepted total compensation figures that -- should they continue to improve -- would be short of what they could command two and four summers from now. You could argue Moulson also took a deal that fit the "internal salary structure," though his case is a little different thanks to his breakout at age 26 and 27.

There is only one way players will do this: If they believe in the direction the team is headed. Contrast this to 20 years ago this fall, when Pat LaFontaine (represented by Meehan) had his firm break with the organization.

John Pickett was trying to sell the Islanders at the time, and LaFontaine said he would not stay with the team as long as Pickett remained owner. He demanded a trade, held out of training camp, and didn't play another game. In the PR battle, the Times at the time reported that "Meehan charged that Pickett gets $12 million a season in cable television revenue but puts only $4 million of it back into the team":

The dispute between LaFontaine and the Islanders began as a salary negotiation but has evolved into a personality conflict between LaFontaine and the owner. Pickett has said that the Islanders have offered LaFontaine $6 million for four seasons, a considerable raise from LaFontaine's current salary of $400,000. Neither LaFontaine nor Meehan will comment on the Islanders' offer.

[...]

Meehan said that teams interested in trading for LaFontaine have told him that no trade can be made because the Islanders are for sale and LaFontaine is a primary asset.

"Every team I have spoken to has indicated that in conversations with Bill Torrey, they have been told that a trade is not possible because all the assets are frozen," Meehan said.

Many fans remember, this situation tore at our souls. I was Patty LaFontaine when I played on roller skates in my basement, but that month I was lost, an Islander with a blank on my back. What began as the unthinkable the previous season descended into a nightmare, as Pat LaFontaine, the still-young star and brightest bridge from the extinguished flames of the Dynasty, would never play another game as an Islander. Worse, an owner's decisions -- some would say neglect -- were at least partly to blame. (Brent Sutter also was demanding a trade that fall -- it's only through luck and the genius of Bill Torrey that both malcontents brought back players as important as Pierre Turgeon and Steve Thomas.)

This, of course, was not quite the beginning, but far from the end of serial ownership and management madness that is chiefly responsible for hits the franchise still takes today. (To be clear, the first half of Charles Wang's tenure as owner also fed this rap, but at least many of his mistakes were genuine attempts to break the Islanders out of the cycle he inherited, rather than attempts to cut and run.)

Slowly, carefully, patiently the Islanders' current management has gone about building the roster in a way that prepares it for long-term success. Players speak highly not just of the area they live in, but the way they are treated by management and ownership. It's taken a long time, it's been an agonizing wait, but the Islanders appear to have many of their ducks aligned in a way fans can again see promise, hope and a source of pride. The old narrative is changing. Even outsiders look at the Islanders' stable of prospects and young pros and think, "At last. That club is doing things right."

There is but one massive shackle from the Old Narrative still left: That building. That arena you both love and hate. The site of good times, great sight lines, loud crowds -- and leaks, cramped conditions, limited amenities, a concrete punchline.

It'd be a shame if, after all these years, and after their best course correction in decades, Nassau County's "compromise and accident that became obsolete minutes after the ribbon was cut" held them back yet again.

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Krooaaaaahhhhmmmm!

The Flames fleeced both of my teams that winter.

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by Dominik on Jul 27, 2011 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Brett Hull for .... lol

"Human beings make life so interesting. Do you know, that in a universe so full of wonders, they have managed to invent boredom?" ~ Death

by NSOsFan on Jul 27, 2011 5:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Joey Mullen for Ed Beers, Charlie Bourgeois, Gino Cavallini

Beers had back issues, out of hockey soon after. Gavaliini was a fan favorite but nothing could replace Mullen as a sniper.

As usual, the trade was necessitated by the cheap owner (an owner who, to be fair, saved the Blues from moving…but still.)

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by Dominik on Jul 27, 2011 6:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Cliff Fletcher: best GM ever in the big trade...

i’d keep a player if i knew Fletcher wanted him, and I’d never make a trade with Fletcher…fleeced St. Louis and Ron Caron all the time, except when he traded Brett Hull but that won him a cup..then with Toronto, he fleeced his old team and former student GM Doug Riseborough in Calgary, getting the best, second best and third best players in a 5 for 5 swap, and years later when Leafs were rebuilding, Fletcher was called back as an interim GM, nearly fleeced Philly of a young Jeff Carter who was no body special yet, and a few others…but the infamous “frozen five” in Toronto refused to wave their no trade clauses…

by CanadianIsleslifer on Jul 27, 2011 7:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yep

He seemed to lose his fastball when he was called in for the interim with Toronto (Colaiacovo and Steen for Stempniak?!), but in his prime he had a lot of victims.

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by Dominik on Jul 28, 2011 11:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

I Totally Remember That

On the back page of Newsday, there was a picture of Tonelli in a Flames uniform. As a paperboy, with the newspapers on my handlebars, I kept the stack back page up and kept seeing that picture. Broke my heart.

Nice read. I agree our team needs a New Narrative to be told.

by 19InARow on Jul 27, 2011 5:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

I still have an SI issue somewhere with a picture of Tonelli in practical Bobby Orr horizontal levitation

In a Flames uni from that year’s playoff run.

Man, I wanted him to win the Cup again.

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by Dominik on Jul 27, 2011 6:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah and yet again, there was Tonelli at the centre of hockey history

Tonelli, Doug Riseborough – Lanny Macdonald

one of the greatest third lines ever, and key to one of the greatest playoff upsets ever…Calgary knocked off Edmonton in 86…

by CanadianIsleslifer on Jul 27, 2011 7:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

oh Torrey had his share of flops... Hrudey...it is the type of trades rather than the trade per say to focus on

anytime your trading with unknown commodities (draft picks and prospects) there is risk…Torrey lost his share of these…key for Torrey is he limited the team to low level and moderate trades, avoided blockbusters until Goring…but after the Gloring days, when Torrey was at the helm for a rebuild, he lost a few…with Hrudey Torrey followed the rule where you get a proven commodity with the prospects and picks, which was Doug Crossman, whom Torrey was later able to flip into Ray Ferraro….thank gawd too, b/c highly rated prospects G Mark Fitzpatrick and D Wayne McBean were flops for different reasons…still Can’t believe McBean didn’t make it…

by CanadianIsleslifer on Jul 27, 2011 7:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Didn't Torrey swipe Tom Fitzgerald from us

in Florida’s expansion draft? Still hold a grudge against Bowtie Bill for that one. And got them into the finals in their 3rd season!!

by 4PeatSake on Jul 27, 2011 8:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Chyzowski

was the one who broke my heart. He was supposed to be our “Bossy replacement.” Sorta kinda.

by 19InARow on Jul 27, 2011 8:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

In Fairness to Fitzpatrick

He ended up having a debilitating disease to fit through, and he wasn’t even supposed to make it back to the NHL level, let alone be a quality backup for another decade.

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by Mark D on Jul 28, 2011 12:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

That's right...

It was a rare blood disorder or something. I remember that his first game back, he had a 4-4 or a 5-5 tie, and got a huge ovation… I seem to remember him being named first star that night. Lemme look it up…

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by mikb on Jul 28, 2011 10:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

OK got it

It’s actually EMS, “eosinophilia-myalgia syndrome.” Ye ol’ Wiki says it’s a neurological disorder, but it’s related to a condition called eosinophilia, which is not so much an illness itself as it is a secondary effect of other severe illnesses (including Hodgkin’s disease and Valley Fever). Basically, the blood becomes infected with toxins and specific white blood cells called (you guessed it) eosinophils are produced to deal with it. If I had to guess, I’d say the “myalgia” component refers to joint and general body pain and weakness. EMS’ symptoms can mimic a bad flu.

The first cases were identified in 1989, so Fitzpatrick was one of the earliest sufferers. The outbreak in the US was most likely caused by tainted sleep-aid supplements containing L-tryptophan (again, as per WIki).

As for game logs… my memory is misplaced. Fitzpatrick’s first game as an Islander was a 5-5 tie against Pittsburgh. In his fourth game, a 4-4 tie at home against Philly, he made 35 saves, and I’m pretty sure this is the game I’m thinking of. (1) However, it wasn’t Fitz’s first game after his diagnosis and treatment. That was a 3-2 loss to a very strong Blues team, where he made 27 saves. (2)

The league recognized Fitzpatrick with the 1992 Masterton Trophy for perserverance and dedication to hockey. (3) He was the youngest recipient ever, until Phil Kessel won for beating cancer his rookie year in 2007.

(1) Tim Kerr scored with 4 seconds left to tie the game. He was no stranger to overcoming severe illness himself – he won the ’89 Masterton Trophy after recovering from aseptic meningitis and major knee injuries.

(2) Weird side note – the Blues played the Isles three times in a space of five weeks in February and March, including twice in six days. I miss the pre-94 NHL.

(3) SIX other Masterton winners have Islanders ties – but only one of them won as an Islander. Without peeking at the list, how many of the six can you name, and which guy won as an Islander?

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by mikb on Jul 28, 2011 11:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

LaFontaine has to be on the list, but not as an Islander and I’m thinking Berard, but again not as an Islanders.

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by Hockey1919 on Jul 28, 2011 12:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Aw hell

OK – trivia FAIL.

It’s actually EIGHT players, not six. One of them, I didn’t include on purpose because he had never been an Islander at the time he’d won, but another player I just missed.

SO…. this is now going to be a fun Fan Post. Please follow along here. Those of you with guesses please re-enter them there!

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by mikb on Jul 28, 2011 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

was it....

Eddie Westfall?

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by JW1970 on Jul 28, 2011 1:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Blues v. Isles

And I’m pretty sure Brett Hull deked around Pilon in every one of those games. Hull’s one-on-one moves NEVER worked. Yet somehow he was able to put the pylon in Pilon.

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by Dominik on Jul 28, 2011 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Lafontaine trade

The fact that Torrey was able to make the team both younger and deeper with the LaFontaine trade was a pretty incredable success, Turgeon stepped right into LaFontaine’s first line role seamlessly and Hogue and Krupp were very important factors in that ‘93 playoff run. Sure, Patty L tore up the league after the being traded to Buff and went on to have a career year in his first full season with the Sabres, but playing with Mogilny, and sometimes Andreychuk and/or Hawerchuk (can’t exactly the line combinations Buffalo used that year but I seem to remember Hawerchuk and Lafontaine playing together on the PP often) helped and Turgeon scored a not too shabby 58-74-132 that year, not too mention a 75 point year from Hogue. It was one of those rare trades that seemed to benefit both teams equally. What really gets me pissed though is that we gave up on those guys we got from Buffalo so quickly.
     I really like that so far the current Islander’s ownership and Front Office has made it point to quickly take care of young players with fair contracts, like they did with KO, Moulson and Grabner. Its 180 degrees from the Milbury trade ’em when they start getting good mentality. It was really hard to get excited about break out performances during that ownership/GM regime because the better they played, the more likely and quickly they would be traded for nothing. The Palffy trade, as bad as it was at the time if we had actually held on to Olli Jokinen it would have made it more digestable.

by MatthewM11 on Jul 27, 2011 5:08 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

Hopefully

our last laugh isn’t like the one Quebec almost had.

by 19InARow on Jul 27, 2011 8:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sad Mario is still crying about 1993 (so much so that he wants to put Isles sweaters on the defensemen his statue-self is outplaying in front of their new arena).

If I hadn’t just changed my Quote, that would be my new one

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by Mark D on Jul 27, 2011 6:06 PM EDT reply actions  

I have no problem with Islander jerseys on the opposing players - as long as one is wearing number 25.

 And Chris Cuthbert immortal CBC call of Volek’s play should be inscribed at the base of the statue:

" Samuelsson pass off a skate. Volek turns with Ferraro. Here they come, 2 on 1; Volek shoots, SCORES!!! David Volek, Islanders! And there’ll be a new Stanley Cup Champion in 1993! "

Nassau Coliseum lost a veteran and an original Islander fan. ACC 1918-2011

by Hockey1919 on Jul 27, 2011 6:25 PM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

Don't fear th-areener!!

BOC sounds great

"Seriously that's the last time you guys f#@%ing won?" -RSH (about beating the Penguins in '93)

by Bryan2112 on Jul 27, 2011 6:22 PM EDT reply actions   2 recs

Is Puck Daddy Serious?

Matt Moulson not among te top 25 Left Wingers in the League? Sean Bergenheim is #25 on their list. Talk about disrespect.

STOP effin' messin' with my FnGO!!

by Nova Scotia Isles Fan on Jul 27, 2011 9:28 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

It’s a hack blog with nonsense hockey posts. What else is new.

Hunter said he was just finishing his check.

by Turgeon1992 on Jul 28, 2011 12:04 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

I coughed up my coffee when I saw that

And their warning that it is based on pr*j*ct*ns. Like, what, his playoff scoring is going to pr*j*ct to a 30-goal scorer?

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by Dominik on Jul 28, 2011 11:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

the winger lists are all wack

The comments are filled with people complaining that they picked folks who’ve played the opposite wing for years. They should have just gone with top 50 wingers, regardless of side, since that sort of thing is kind of fluid. I mean, we don’t have separate lists of left-side and right-side defensemen, do we?

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by mikb on Jul 28, 2011 11:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

so, umm...

any update on how the rally went? I read somewhere that 1,000 people showed up. That’s pretty low…

by Original Rob on Jul 27, 2011 10:14 PM EDT reply actions  

I never thought TMC would look so good

I always thought of her as looking like…Adam Sandler’s girlfriend in The Waterboy…along those lines…

You only figure 8 once.

by The Black Map on Jul 27, 2011 11:26 PM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

Im younger than Doug Weight damnit lol!

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by TheMetalChick on Jul 27, 2011 11:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

But not SO young that you'd turn him down...

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by Dominik on Jul 28, 2011 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

stealin' hearts throughout history

FACT: Lady Godiva took her famous Zamboni ride to impress Doug Weight.

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by mikb on Jul 28, 2011 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

I would turn down Dougie

"We can't get pushed around," Haley said. "What commentators say about us, that's their job. My job is to try and limit as many people who want to take liberties with our guys as possible."

by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Jul 28, 2011 12:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

More Dougie for the rest of us, then! :P

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by TheMetalChick on Jul 29, 2011 4:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

I can picture his other GFs from his other movies but I cannot seem to picture his GF in that one… so I dont know how to take that one lol

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by TheMetalChick on Jul 27, 2011 11:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

This was just one of those reveries

’til there was (a picture of) you.

You only figure 8 once.

by The Black Map on Jul 28, 2011 1:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

Kick Ass!

The New York Islanders....they make opposing goalies look gooooood.

by Metalstar on Jul 27, 2011 11:26 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Rockin'

Yer looking great there, TMC!

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by mikb on Jul 27, 2011 11:33 PM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

awww

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by TheMetalChick on Jul 28, 2011 1:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

rec'd

you look a bit like someone i new from Malta back in the mid 90s

by CanadianIsleslifer on Jul 28, 2011 12:18 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Guess your waitin proved worthwhile ;-)

I woulda taken a similar picture with Jill Nicolini but I already got that pic 5 years ago…and she’s not Rudy awesome, just some hot news chick with boobs.

/laments not taking another picture

What else is worth mentioning…Botta was there interviewing some lady, Wishart and Moulson were signin stuff, Garth Snow referenced Cairns’ Corson beatdown and subsequent finger-point (nice to see Snow all lively like that)…BOC sounded friggin awesome…sadly, you could only drink beer in the inner beer garden – out of view of the rock performance – unless of course you brought your own case of beer and drank it in full view of everyone which for some reason was okieday today…oh and that silly teenage girl with the Vote Yes August 1st Youtube video was there…she looked…18…annnnnd I’m gonna stop right there. (drop dead gorgeous fwiw)

/laments not taking another picture

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by Bryan2112 on Jul 28, 2011 3:55 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Was Botta complaining that Snow and Wang were too cheap to get Nathan's hot dogs and only served Ball Park hot dogs?

“And these rolls are store brand. You’re not gonna win a rally with store brand rolls. You gotta spend for Wonder or those fancy potato rolls. And they blame the arena for not getting free agents?”

Did they even have hot dogs?

by Les Beaver on Jul 28, 2011 9:11 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

rec

Keep this up. I like Fake Botta.

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by Fabtraption on Jul 28, 2011 10:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

TRUE VALUE BOC...

I don’t really know that much about 70’s/80’s rock bands but I called a few radio station friends I have. They tell me that they’re not even on their playlists anymore… really… NPR is national… and they don’t play BOC.
I don’t think their worth much on the open market, the Islanders will probably be stuck with them, and let tehm walk at the end of their contract.

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by JPinVA on Jul 28, 2011 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hilarious, Bryan

Great report. Love that Snow referenced the beatdown; we have a photo of the finger point we’ll have to use.

All this talk of rocker chicks has me in a Joan Jett reverie…

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by Dominik on Jul 28, 2011 11:11 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

fitting

Since we don’t give a damn ’bout our bad reputation.

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by mikb on Jul 28, 2011 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

Guess your waitin proved worthwhile ;-)

Yup! After we said goodbye we were talking to Nick (LTBLH) for a bit more and thats when we saw Rudy. Sweet :)

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by TheMetalChick on Jul 28, 2011 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Very cool...

Did they do Don’t Fear the ’reener?

[It’s been] Seasons waitin’ for the reener,
In the wind, the sun and the rain….
Now, it looks like we’re gonna get it,
But I smell like this dude’s rogaine.

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by JPinVA on Jul 28, 2011 7:39 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

That's awesome!

Sarzo has been in almost every metal band ever. He deserves a heavy metal version of the King Clancy trophy. Like a King Diamond trophy or something.

"He's depriving some small village of a pretty good idiot" - Mike Milbury on Ziggy Palffy's agent Paul Kraus during Palffy's contract holdout in 1998.

by PGI on Jul 28, 2011 9:34 AM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

Nice

Yeah he is definitely a guy you could call the Mike Sillinger of Metal. You can count licking his fingers and rockin out the same as getting PP assists.

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by TheMetalChick on Jul 28, 2011 9:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

Rec'd for King Diamond awesomeness!

I have not heard that name in yeeeeaaaaars!

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by JW1970 on Jul 28, 2011 1:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

King Diamond is great.

Ive seen him live, great times.

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by TheMetalChick on Jul 28, 2011 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Savatage is the greatest band ever

And Criss Oliva rules.

"We can't get pushed around," Haley said. "What commentators say about us, that's their job. My job is to try and limit as many people who want to take liberties with our guys as possible."

by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Jul 28, 2011 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

OMG

I had not idea there was another Savatage fanatic on here besides me and, occasionally, Savafan1. Awesome!
I LOVE those guys, and Jon Oliva is one of the greatest American songwriters in rock history. Seriously.

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by TheMetalChick on Jul 29, 2011 4:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

awesome!

One of the things I truly miss about living in NY is seeing all the awesome bands.

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by JW1970 on Jul 29, 2011 8:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

Really? Damn.

I just knew that time and day of the week was gonna be bad. They do this on a Friday/Saturday night, say starting at ~7pm and ending at 10pm, it’s probably getting at least 3k people instead of 1k.

by OzzyFan on Jul 27, 2011 10:32 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

I read somewhere

in the 2300/2400 area. Pictures look like the place is packed, but they can control that by jamming people in one area and not using a wide-angle

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by Keith Quinn on Jul 28, 2011 12:04 AM EDT up reply actions  

I am not particularly good at guessing numbers

But Id honestly guess a couple thou or so. There were a lot of people getting there late (530) and there were a lot of people leaving at that time, too (probably were not in to BOC or had to get home for dinner lol) so everyone wasnt there at one time, otherwise it would have been more.

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by TheMetalChick on Jul 28, 2011 12:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

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by TheMetalChick on Jul 28, 2011 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Photographic evidence is good...

…but we all know you’re a Gimp wizard… so really… about 150 people and the rest Photoshopped?

J/K… seems like a good turnout. Did they charge for parking?

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by JPinVA on Jul 28, 2011 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

I zoomed in 4000%

I think I found Waldo!

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by mikb on Jul 28, 2011 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Nope- no charge when we got there, anyway.

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by TheMetalChick on Jul 28, 2011 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

If you look closely

You notice everyone who showed up is part of a set of triplets. Funny thing, that.

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by TheMetalChick on Jul 29, 2011 5:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

I Never Liked LaFontaine

He behaved like a whiny baby and I was glad to see him go. Dealing him as part of the package for Turgeon, Hogue and Krupp re-energized the whole franchise until Dale &^%*^ Hunter and Don Maloney screwed things up.

Besides the Easter epic, the only thing I remember LaFontaine for is being in the ambulance at MSG as some – not all, some – of the Rangers “classy” fans tried to tip the ambulance over.

I laugh when people suggest that his number should be retired. If you demand to get traded, you’re not entitled to such an honor IMHO.

by rmblifn on Jul 27, 2011 11:44 PM EDT reply actions  

I don't blame Patty La so much for that

Pickett was an absentee slumlord at that point and Torrey couldn’t afford to both pay LaFontaine what he deserved and surround him with credible talent.

When he was 20, the team still had the Trio Grande, and LaFontaine was skating with guys like Tonelli, Duane Sutter, Pat Flatley, and Bob Bourne. Six years later, he’s scored 30+ goals every year, and 40+ goals the last four of those, and ALL of those players are gone except Flats. The top wings are now Randy Freakin’ Wood and David Volek, and aside from the very young Derek King, what else do they have? The Brads, Dalgarno and Lauer; Dave Chyzowski; Bill Berg; Richard Kromm. Their best defenseman is Jeff Norton. Rich Pilon and Wayne McBean are your Hamonic/A-Mac of 1991. They use nearly as many goalies as the current team. They were strong up the middle (Sutter, Chicken Parm, Fitzgerald, Hubie McDonough), with a whole lotta nothing anywhere else.

And unlike this year’s club, they weren’t looking forward to Stromian-level prospects. Ziggy Palffy had just been chosen in the second round. Travis Green and Marty McInnis and Vladimir Malakhov were two years away. Darius Kasparaitis was still playing juniors in Russia.

I’m not saying they should retire LaFontaine’s number, but I’m not bitter about how that all happened.

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by mikb on Jul 28, 2011 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

For a lot of us post-Dynasty Fans

LaFontaine was our favorite. Put up great numbers, fun as hell to watch with speed and willful disregard for his personal safety (hence his concussion issues later on). Personally, he’s my favorite all-time player.

It sucks how it went down but, hey, sometimes trades need to be made that suck. At least the haul Torrey got was good.

LaFontaine’s always been thankful to the Islanders as well and I believe still lives on the Island. His charity work with sick kids is also highly commendable. I’m almost more disappointed that this time working for the team was so short, rather what happened during his playing days.

That being said, I agree his number shouldn’t be retired by the Islanders. Great player, great guy, but no. Honestly, no post-Dynasty Islander really deserves it.

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by PGI on Jul 28, 2011 12:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

agreed on the post-Dynasty numbers

Even if they’d kept Palffy his whole NHL career, I wouldn’t retire the number. You’ve got to be either an all-time great like Trots, Potvin, and Bossy, or somehow special to the franchise in excess of your numbers, like Bobby Ny. I mean, they didn’t even retire Gillies’ number right away. (Nor Trottier, but they never gave it out either, so I consider it to have been retired when he left even though the ceremony was delayed through idiocy.) And it’s way too soon to talk about guys like JT or anything getting retired numbers.

Richie Pilon would be the only guy post-Dynasty who is even remotely in the conversation, and he falls comfortably short. However, two older Isles whom I think merit some discussion for honoring are Bob Bourne and Eddie Westfall.

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by mikb on Jul 28, 2011 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Uh.. hmmmmm

Nystrom, not an all time great? ;=)

And they didn’t retire his number right away either, Vladimar Malakhov wore it.

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by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Jul 28, 2011 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

true about Malakhov

I’d forgotten that. At least he didn’t disgrace it like… well, never mind. That other thing NEVER HAPPENED.

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by mikb on Jul 28, 2011 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Bourne in the Islander "Hall of Fame" for what its worth,

and he is the only player inducted; even though having your number retired probably puts you into the Islander Hall as well. I think Westfall and Tonelli should also be inducted into the Islander Hall. It is a way to recognize players without having to eliminate more numbers. I’d have no problem retiring LaFontaine’s 16 since he is a Hall of Famer, but he’d slot in nicely with Bourne, Tonelli and Westfall as memorable Islanders that contributed significantly to the history of the team.

I’d consider a guys like Jonsson and Palffy as well for the post dysnasty era. The Islanders don’t need to become the Leafs that I think had a celebration for every third line player that has ever played since they last won a Cup over the past few seasons, but failing to win a Cup should not mean you are not recognized either. Although I do like the fact that they really don’t retire numbers, just raise them to the rafters in honor.

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by Hockey1919 on Jul 28, 2011 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Interesting
I’m almost more disappointed that this time working for the team was so short, rather what happened during his playing days.

Never thought about it that way, but upon reflection I feel the same. Turgeon helped me get over the sad LaFontaine divorce — really quickly, too. It’s so rare it works out like that. And I was happy for Pat in Buffalo.

I wished he’d been able to stick around when he joined the front office. Would’ve been another fun great to have around. That said, I wouldn’t retire 16 either.

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by Dominik on Jul 28, 2011 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

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