Nassau Coliseum Referendum: Nothing changes, if nothing changes
by Keith Quinn on Jul 26, 2011 7:00 AM EDT
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One of my all-time favorite quotes is from an everyday regular guy I grew up with. It's simplistic in its Yogism and complex in its philosophical underpinnings: "Nothing changes if nothing changes."
I'm not going to tell you how to vote Aug. 1. I don't know what's best for you...most of the time I'm not sure what's best for me. But we as the citizens of Nassau County have a golden opportunity to be heard on an issue that we seldom get to be a part of in the Islanders' arena referendum vote. We don't know if it's perfect, we don't know if it's completely viable, what we do know is that the current Coliseum is a cesspool likely to get worse and that living in fear of the unknown is crippling us into doing nothing on a lot of fronts. And for once, for once, we can directly, be a part of it and do something. "Nothing changes, if nothing changes."
Why is it that when a man has the ability to build something himself, a testament to his hard work or dedication, he is viewed as a greedy sub-human wretch? And when he tries to accommodate a community by providing them with entertainment and a venue to share with their families with the assistance of that community, he is also considered a greedy sub-human wretch? I guess it's all in your perspective, right? What's become commonplace is to watch a man tumble instead of encouraging or appreciating his accomplishments.
Still, nothing changes, if nothing changes.
So what's the constant?
Politicking.
There's an agenda here somewhere. We don't know what it is yet, but it's there...and we'll find it eventually. There is just no way that, straight down party lines, people can have completely different sets of facts for the same issue. But the problem is, we are used to it by now. Anyone that watches MSNBC and then flips over to FOX can probably attest to that if they can still recognize that it's still a problem.
Do you think Jay Jacobs is thinking about you having to get all the way into that goddamned city to see U2 on that goddamned train while he's in the Bahamas? (Ed. note: I have no idea where Jacobs vacations.) How about Ed Mangano? The answer is no. No they don't. They don't live the life you lead. They are thinking dollars and cents, not people and traditions and how those individual personalities create the fabric of a community. "Nothing changes if, nothing changes."
So who's right?
You are. Whatever you feel.
Just don't base your choice on a lying politician...on either side. Look through the reports, look through the evidence of this County's stagnant economy and ask yourself, "What's missing?" What's missing are jobs, new things, nice things...this is why we can't have nice things. Because lately, we're lacking the courage to stand up and go after something we want or something we need without advice from an expert...who is usually, not an expert. These same politicians have been around forever and have gotten Nassau into this mess...they're going to get us out now? How? "Nothing changes, if nothing changes."
I ask you, what is it that you want? Is it living in a community that continues to spin its wheels and drive in circles with no progress or discernible plan for the future? Property taxes here are already insane, shouldn't you have something to show for it? "Nothing changes, if nothing changes."
Do you continue to vote Democrat or Republican only to have the process of everything we deem necessary stalled out along party lines? Do you want to show some courage and take a risk on making a better community, or do you want to continue along the same path of paralysis to doom? Or do you start to send a message with the voice you do have? Do you start to educate yourself on the nature of the game, or do you continue to align yourself behind politicians who probably know about as little as you do right now? Do you continue to trust the print media that is generally written on a 5th grade level, or do you begin to investigate things for yourself? Take some ownership of this situation that is really only a microcosm of the governance you're subjected to on a daily basis. You've all sat in meetings, right? Does anything get done? Who does most of the talking? Who wastes most of the time?
It's that guy! That goddamned guy you can't stand that ruins everything...he's awful, and he must be stopped...and if you think that guy doesn't exist in politics, well, bullshit. We have a golden opportunity to get something done for ourselves, and stop that guy. "Nothing changes, if nothing changes."
My second all time favorite quote is "Get busy living, or get busy dying."
But for god's sake, get busy, and find out the truth.
Because nothing changes if nothing changes.
Aug. 1 Coliseum Referendum Action Links
- Governer Cuomo's contact information
- Jay Jacobs Contact Information
- Jay Jacobs Twitter
- Mangano's Twitter
- Mangano Contact Page
- All Nassau Legislators
- Team Site: Contact Information for Letters to Editors of several local publications
From the Islander's Team Site:
On Tuesday, July 26th listen to the Mike Francesa show starting at 1 p.m. to hear Wang in-studio. Then on Friday, July 29, Boomer and Carton will host Wang at 8 a.m..
Fans and supporters can call the station at 877-337-6666 during either show.
- Boomer and Carton twitter (hasn't really been used, but flood them)
- WFAN Twitter
- Francessa Twitter run by Anthony Griek of Yes Network
- Joe and Evan Twitter (WFAN: Evan is a big Isle fan, but nobody is appearing on the show)
BDGallof BDGallofJay Jacobs to slag Coliseum plan on WFAN at 1:25 pm tomorrow #voteyesaug1 #islesarena
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Just don’t base your choice on a lying politician…on either side. Look through the reports, look through the evidence of this County’s stagnant economy and ask yourself, “What’s missing?” What’s missing are jobs, new things, nice things…this is why we can’t have nice things. Because lately, we’re lacking the courage to stand up and go after something we want or something we need without advice from an expert…who is usually, not an expert.
BRAVO SIR, BRAVO.
"It don't make you a bad person" - Ron Bennington
'Why do people resent someone who is willing to build something himself and.....'
…..because it’s been taken to extremes – absolutely ridiculous ones – for the last half-century, if not MORE; in the western (and of late, Eastern) world. While I applaud Wang for his desire to provide a really state-of-the-art destination, those of us who try very hard to live our lives with at least a shred of integrity can’t overlook the fact that he can because of exploiting high advantages to himself and Computer Associates in the Eighties and early Nineties (which is just one reason why I flat-out DESPISE Bill Gates)…..by NO means would this preclude such an investment in the community as the LHP or a new arena, but in glossing over the circumstances which allowed him – and too many others – to be in a position to do so is to flout the legitimate anger of these voters who will abstain from voting out of pure spite – to them, there is NO distinction between the politicians and the CEOs…..
Exploiting advantages
I think the point is that he’s playing in the existing system. Again, nothing changes if nothing changes. He has played that system well because it exists and he has to. To blame a guy for doing well within said system is not exactly fair either. Unless you believe he created or perpetuates the system.
But the truth is, we as a people perpetuate the existence of these political and economic systems by voting, apathetic approaches to education and government, and the inability to become outraged and do something about it.
I don’t view the coliseum as some benevolent gift to humanity by Wang. I view it as something I want and can take back from the system that takes much and produces little other than bickering and talking points. It’s an opportunity for us to be a part of that.
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by Keith Quinn on Jul 26, 2011 8:29 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
There's no question that, under different circumstances,
Wang does benefit considerably from said investment – all I’m saying is that the anger is very much legitimate and the causes, hardly contrived; whether you or I or another 10,000 Islanders fans think it isn’t, Keith, and if we – or WHOEVER is taking the case for a new arena to the people – acknowledge their anger, speak to it in an empathetic yet logical way, some of the naysayers might actually warm up to the notion and vote ‘yes’…..
BTW, as a long-time advocate for IRV (Instant Runoff Voting) and the fusion system,
nothing is going to change until people don’t pay a price for voting their conscience; the existing system is too thoroughly rigged to allow for it…..(no, NOT a Nader fan – a case of, wrong man for the right reasons…..)
I think there SHOULD be distinction though
a CEO runs a business. His job is to make it as profitable as possible. I can’t speak to whatever ‘advantages’ they may have had in the 80s or 90s, or by whatever possible questionable means they used to get to a point where the CEO’s were billionaires, but I don’t fault them for trying to make money.
Politicians, and this is in an IDEAL world, should do what’s best for the place they live. The people vote them in, they are chosen by the people, and trusted to do what’s best for the people that gave them their power. I think all we’re aching for in this process, and many others involving our local government, it to just BE FAIR. Don’t skew the facts. Judge the measure on its merits and let me know the truth. Then let me make an informed decision.
There’s a level of distrust with the people that are pulling the strings here, and on BOTH sides. As a voter, I don’t know what’s true or what’s not. That makes a lot of people think like Keith and myself. My thinking is, my taxes are NEVER going down. I’ve come to terms with this. And more likely, they’ll go up for something else, somewhere along the line. At least if I commit to paying an extra $13-$58/year (depending on who you listen to) I’ll have something tangible to show for my investment.
I don’t trust anyone in this process to do the right thing. I don’t trust Wang to give proper profit numbers. I don’t trust Mangano to put apply the funds properly. I don’t trust the Democrats to ratify this and vote in the best interests of the county and not their own careers. I don’t trust NIFA to look at the future instead of the present. But I can handle $58/year. I know that. So let’s do it, for the sake of doing SOMETHING.
"It don't make you a bad person" - Ron Bennington
With any disregard for the welfare of their fellow man in the pursuit of wealth, I DO fault them.....
…..but NOT going there, except to say this: when corporations were given ‘personhood’ (and just as Lincoln foretold) that was the effective end of any democratic or representative society in this country, even if it’s taken over 100 years to really show…..what’s most important, Pauly, is that we agree upon the figures of $13.80 or $58 as being a reasonable investment on our (though I’m hardly a Nassau County resident, already said I’d send either amount or even 10 times the former once I’m back to work) part to retain something that has been such a vital aspect of our lives for varying lengths of time…..
by ogam5 on Jul 26, 2011 9:48 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
yea, let's not go there. I'm not in love with most CEO's out there, but I never trusted them to be decent human beings.
But for the purposes of Aug 1, I’m glad we agree.
"It don't make you a bad person" - Ron Bennington
Similar to politicians in that...
… they, by definition, take advantage of groups of common people in order to “succeed”; if they hadn’t, they wouldn’t be politicians/CEOs for long. It is how the game is played. Doesn’t necessarily mean that God (or whatever authority) accepts the taking advantage of people.
So are CEOs/politicians who take advantage of groups of people less often than average considered ethical compared to the average CEO/politician? (In other words, since the average replacement would be worse for the common people, should the lesser-of-two-evils be held in high esteem?)
I believe, “No.” That is probably a large reason I don’t follow politics much.
But I do vote. Just don’t live in the right county.
by North Dakota Red Eagle on Jul 26, 2011 12:18 PM EDT up reply actions
To me it's a bit like the difference between pro sports and NCAA
Pro sports, the motives are at least transparent. NCAA dresses it up in an altruist veneer that muddies the issue.
I know what my CEOs are after. Their bottom line is usually accessible for all to see. Politicians in theory get into the game for civic and/or altruistic reasons, but rarely do so and, if they are that pure-hearted, rarely survive long unless they compromise to other interests.
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- and as Dom has pointed out in a previous comment,
he and I are not blithe about the practicality of spending big bucks on adults playing a kid’s game (though we do so out of pure love and admiration:)
I think they should build the new Colliseum like the tower of Babel
Just to piss everyone off. At this point, why the fuck not.
And hire strippers to dance at the top of it. Kids all across the land will be buying telescopes en masse just to see the fucking thing.
Then everyone can STFU.
Some simple (I think!) math...
Let me see… the 30-year lease would have the Islanders pay Nassau county a set percentage of revenues… ticket prices and hot dog/beer prices go up almost every year…
Presuming a nominal 3% increase in prices wach year and using $14.5 million to start, over the course of 30 years…
A total of $725,038,834 would be PAID BACK to Nassau County… almost DOUBLING their initial invesltment.
But that brings it up to about $35 million
…by the 30th year, more than doubling ticket prices (if my math and logic are correct).
But I suppose if we look back 30 years, ticket prices have probably risen at least 230%. But I imagine a lot of that is due to inflation. Regardless of this, to raise ticket prices and concessions 3% each of the next 30 years OVER inflation (which would truly result in doubling the investment), would mean that tickets would be more than twice as expensive for the average fan than at the start of the 30 years.
I realize Islanders tickets are WAY less expensive than most other teams’, so a huge increase in ticket prices is probably unavoidable, even in the next 10 years.
by North Dakota Red Eagle on Jul 26, 2011 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Yogi-isms are Classic for a Reason
There’s always a ring of truth to them. And “Nothing changes, if nothing changes” is a great example. I’ve been sending out missives to friends and family with Nassau connections for the last two days and I said the same thing you do, Keith. What are all those oppressive tax ransoms getting everyone? The place has looked mostly the same for my entire life, save for adding “Westfield” to the Sunrise Mall and an Infinity dealership going up where the movie theater I saw Return of the Jedi and Rocky 4 once stood.
Here is a chance to get something modern and useful that will last into the future. And its being paid for by the team. Something has to change. This is 2011. Will the place still look the same in 2025 or 2040? Do people really want it to?
On a side note: did anyone catch Mr. Wang on WPIX this morning? It was slightly less cringe-worthy than I thought it would be, given the general incompetence of the daily show. (it’s like a high school PA announcement with adults most of the time). While, I appreciate the man’s work ethic and passion, but I’m not sure if he’s the best guy for these jobs. Should have been Doug Weight or Matt Moulson or maybe go classic with Nystrom or Gillies.
Then I thought, what about Ricky? Seriously. He could be putting his motormouth and charm and energy into spreading the word for his bosses. And he might not even get hurt doing it.
"He's depriving some small village of a pretty good idiot" - Mike Milbury on Ziggy Palffy's agent Paul Kraus during Palffy's contract holdout in 1998.
good point on Ricky
let’s trot out Wang’s biggest financial mistake days before he’s asking to borrow $350M from the taxpayers.
"It don't make you a bad person" - Ron Bennington
I'm sure that's exactly why he's not out there
But I just think they should have more players on the air beating the drums and not just Mr. Wang.
"He's depriving some small village of a pretty good idiot" - Mike Milbury on Ziggy Palffy's agent Paul Kraus during Palffy's contract holdout in 1998.
Nassau Veterans Memorial LOLiseum
ChrisBottaNHL Chris Botta
Jay Jacobs: you just embarrassed your party and yourself. You did the impossible: lost a reasonable argument in 3 minutes.
7 minutes ago
Oh Long Island politicians….
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Replays
Does WFAN post the replays online? I feel like I need to hear this. I’ve been following Twitter feeds the whole time.
"He's depriving some small village of a pretty good idiot" - Mike Milbury on Ziggy Palffy's agent Paul Kraus during Palffy's contract holdout in 1998.
Ok, thanks
"He's depriving some small village of a pretty good idiot" - Mike Milbury on Ziggy Palffy's agent Paul Kraus during Palffy's contract holdout in 1998.
Thanks for posting the links Keith
I just wrote a letter to leader of my political party and made my opinion known and that they could no longer count on my vote if they vote this down.
Wonder if you caused these websites to crash a la Obama last night…
Wang on WFAN right now
Wang very coy about Yashin at the moment, says Snow has to consider all options. Up to Garth to evaluate the needs of the team.
Pr*j*ct**ns lead to long term injuries, just ask the asian guy from Inception
Francesa is very sympathetic to a new Coliseum
Just says its a no brainer to vote yes even if you’re not a hockey fan
Pr*j*ct**ns lead to long term injuries, just ask the asian guy from Inception
Hates the baseball stadium apparently
Basically just saying that we already have the Ducks, Yankees, Mets. Doesn’t seem the upside of having 10 dollar tickets to a baseball stadium.
Pr*j*ct**ns lead to long term injuries, just ask the asian guy from Inception
Somehow, MF, someone who ONLY talks about baseball, never seems to be in favor of MORE baseball (against the WBC too).
heh
I can’t imagine why anyone would want to go see a close minor league team for 10 dollars a ticket when they could travel to the Bronx to pay 50 dollars a ticket to go see the Yankees.
Pr*j*ct**ns lead to long term injuries, just ask the asian guy from Inception
That's just the price of parking
Vote Yes on August 1st.
by Anarcurt on Jul 26, 2011 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
50 Dollars?
You haven’t been to a Yankee game in a while…
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It's way more expensive if you want good seats
but you can still get tickets in the cheap range
Pr*j*ct**ns lead to long term injuries, just ask the asian guy from Inception
$35 for parking
and at least $30 for decent tickets in the upper deck, at least $55 for second deck tickets.
by dunnowhat2type on Jul 26, 2011 4:46 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m also talking about everything that goes along with going to a Yankee game
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Mike wrapping up
Trashes democrats for switching sides after county executive changed. Says he didn’t like Lighthouse, you’d never get a light rail through Garden City, but supports this referendum. New Coliseum makes sense, hardly costs anything.
Pr*j*ct**ns lead to long term injuries, just ask the asian guy from Inception
WHOA Mike...
what about the unessecary shot at the Mets “the greatest and most succesful Baseball franchise in the world 45 minutes away and the Mets 20 minutes away”
eh, not a big deal
Honestly? That’s a factually-accurate statement. If I was lefthanded I could probably make the Mets starting rotation right now.
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Mr. Wang was ...
good. He always is when he’s on with Francesa, and I thought Jacobs came off like a schmuck. If this was a debate on the merits, the YAYS won a clear victory, and the fact that Francesa is so clearly on board certainly doesn’t hurt. But the problem is the same as with all the positive opinions being voiced on all the Islander and sports media outlets. The people who really need to get the message and may well be the difference in this vote – the non-hockey, non-sports fans – are nowhere these outlets. Because a win by only a small majority may not be enough the overcome the roadblocks to come, a decent amount of votes are gonna be needed from those other residents, and I worry about whether they are getting the message at all.
Wang was on Roger & JP yesterday
While there is certainly some overlap there I would think that reaches out to a different audience as well. The labor union has been running vote yes ads too.
I think most of the people who would have voted no in a general election stay home. There will, of course, be the usual mixed bag of nuts who you see yelling at every town hall meeting who are against everything but I think there is enough fans, family of fans, wives of fans, union members, etc to get this passed comfortably. You never know with LI politics but I’m guardedly optimistic.
Vote Yes on August 1st.
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Listen: Islanders Owner Charles Wang Discusses Proposed Arena On WFAN http://cbsloc.al/qygUr8
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Jay Jacobs on twitter
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Is his Twitter avatar really a picture of him between two asses?
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by Fabtraption on Jul 26, 2011 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Yeah
I guess that’s his camp. Ironic huh?
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Long Island political ineptitude
You seriously can’t make this shit up.
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The donkey on the right
was asked the same question.
Heyooooooo :-)
Proud to root for the Jets, Mets, and Islanders!!!
by CharlieIsles on Jul 26, 2011 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Donkeys, Democrat, it would be like a republican guy having a pic with an elephant.
Let Us Go, Islanders! (Ever notice how strange that sounds without the contraction?)
by TheMetalChick on Jul 27, 2011 9:38 AM EDT up reply actions
Jay Jacobs has a message for you
Jay Jacobs
JayJacobs28 Jay Jacobs
Loved the Tweets from the Islander faithful: If you won’t chip in for a new Coliseum why should Nassau taxpayers? VOTE NO!
9 minutes ago
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Jay Jacobs
I think this video pretty much sums up what I think of him.
Pr*j*ct**ns lead to long term injuries, just ask the asian guy from Inception
Wait, huh¿¿¿
But if Isles fans reside in Nassau, then aren’t they still Nassau taxpayers or are we now placing sports fans into separate tax brackets? Am I not reading this correctly?
Nick Giglia
LetThereBeLH Nick Giglia
Tune in to @powerplay_radio tonight at 5PM – hear me and @BComptonNHL talk #IslesArena. Listen: www.wcwpsports.org
44 seconds ago
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Chris Botta
ChrisBottaNHL Chris Botta
Jay Jacobs’ office getting pounded with calls. Arena proponents asked to email and Jacobs will respond to each.
5 minutes ago
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Am I on crack
Or didn’t Wang want to redevelop the whole area on his own dime? As in no taxpayer money? What was the real argument against that? I’m outta the loop (and outta the country), so what am I missing?
"Human beings make life so interesting. Do you know, that in a universe so full of wonders, they have managed to invent boredom?" ~ Death
His designs were too big for their tastes
And it had housing that would draw those people Town of Hempstead didn’t want in its backyard. And there would be more {gasp} traffic.
A big issue framing the long run is that the County owns the land, wants to develop it, wants an arena as part of a hub, but everyone wants their cut and the Town controlled the zoning. Wang would build the arena himself when he was allowed to develop around it. But if they only want him to be able to rent the arena on their land (with at this point only parking allowed around it), well he’s not going to assume all the risk and build it for them 100%.
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It was ridiculous from the get-go
He wanted to use his own money, with the Township reaping huge rewards, not the least of which would have been increased commerce from the commercial development and a larger tax base from the businesses and new residents coming to the area. But because it wasn’t something they could take credit for, they rode NIMBY the Magic Unicorn into battle to thwart the measure.
A county referendum? THAT they can take credit for!
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Absolutly shameless....
The political posturing is disgusting and almost comical if not for the fact we may lose the Islanders. Everyone on both sides “claim” to want them to stay but the other side ideas are always wrong. They shamelessly give away to money for their political agenda’s and have no remorse when taxes go up as long as they get re-elected.
As Thomas Jefferson said "It is the trade of lawyers to question everything, yield nothing, and talk by the hour. Is it really a coincidence the majority of politicians are LAWYERS?
The real problem is there is NO REAL POLITICAL GAIN so they oppose whatever the other side wants.
I guarantee if any politician fattened his wallet and would be a shoe in for reelection the arena would have built already.
Just follow the money, Mr Soros helped get the president elected, who did we just give 10 billion dollars to drill oil in Brazil to? A Brazilian company which Mr Soros is a large share holder. Shocking!!!
I’ll digress, just put the political nonsense aside and vote for whats best for the you!!
In my case it’s YES.
In loving memory;Dad thanks for making us Islanders fans, ACC 1918-2011
by bossy2219 on Jul 26, 2011 8:21 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
I'm still unclear as to how there is a discrepancy of $58 vs. $13.
I heard the podcasts of Wang and Jacobs but I’m confused as to how there can be two sets of numbers floating in a situation like this. Wasn’t there also a figure of a $26 refund offered through optimistic revenue sharing projections?
The interview with Jacobs was an embarrassment to the Democratic party. They should have thought those answers out…I would say better but that would imply that they were actually offering answers rather than the party line and soundbites. 4 Months to approve a RFP. Has Jacobs live in Nassau County for the last 10+ years that the arena discussion has been taking place?
One of the things that kills me on this is a simple case of political ideology. Aren’t the Republicans supposed to be in favor of big business (yet the opposed the original Lighthouse Project) and the Democrats supposed to favor smaller business and more gov’t control assistance (yet opposed the new deal)? My head is spinning from all this posturing and I know that the old saying of “Follow the Money” will apply to this when all is said and done but the local politicians are playing backroom philanthropist and you can’t track their true interests. Does Jay plan on using the Coliseum as a “camp” site once the Isles leave? His answer to Francesa’s question of how he would keep the Isles here if the arena was voted down was thinner than Chinese suburban waste management project. It is obvious that he wants to push the issue for another 2 years. Is he hoping to be out of office by the time that the ultimate decision needs to be made?
A zoning report that just came out in June of 2011? Who was the genius that waited this long to rezone the area? For a bunch of politicians that “want the Isles to stay here” they seem to be doing everything within their power to push this to the deadline.
Opponents pulled $58 out of their arses before any real projections were released
Then once the reports were released, the worst-case scenario (like Wang goes bankrupt, team folds, no revenues) put that number at more like ~$51, while under realistic conditions the Office of Legislative and Budget Review pegs the cost at a maximum of $13.80 per household per year.
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Ah...
Thank you VERY much. I was thoroughly confused by that discrepancy. Unfortunately, Wang did not answer Francesa’s question on that issue.
If you don't vote yes on August 1st I will personally make sure that Jay Jacobs comes to your house and tell you how he is going to convince Wang to stay in Nassau County. You get to clean up after the unicorns...
by metalcoconut on Jul 27, 2011 6:46 PM EDT up reply actions
And I love how Jacobs is suddenly Mr. Fiscal Responsibility
The tax works out to 25¢ per week. In other words, Nassau residents can help keep the Islanders in Uniondale with whatever’s lying around in their sofa cushions and car floorboards. In return they get a steady stream of revenue, save jobs, and a source of civic pride in a place that rather needs it.
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May 21, 1981: This time it was much easier. After falling to "only" 91 points in the 1979-80 season, the Islanders returned to their division title tradition, piling up 110 points -- a whole 13 points over second-place Philadelphia.
Between the quarterfinals (where they beat the upstart Oilers in six games) and the finals, the Islanders reeled off eight consecutive wins -- with a four-game sweep of archrival Rangers in between. As they defeated the Minnesota North Stars in five games for their second Cup, their goal difference in the final was a combined +10.
1981-82
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May 16, 1982: Another year, another landslide title. The Islanders won the Patrick Division by a whopping 26 points over the second-place Rangers, and were seven points clear of their nearest competition for the President's Trophy, the still-not-quite-ripe Edmonton Oilers.
A first-round scare against the Pittsburgh Penguins turned in the Isles' favor thanks to John Tonelli's heroics, and a true dynasty was on its way: Past the Rangers in six games, then an eight-game sweep of the Quebec Nordiques and Vancouver Canucks to run away with the Stanley Cup.
1982-83
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May 17, 1983: Not so fast, whipper-snappers. The Edmonton Oilers' steadily rising challenge for league supremacy took them all the way to the finals for the first time, where the New York Islanders summarily dispatched them in a four-game sweep. For the Islanders, the Dynasty was secured. For the Oilers, it was a powerful lesson in where talent ends and the demands of playoff hockey begin.
Four years, four Cups, 16 consecutive playoff series wins (a record that would grow to 19 until the rematch with the Oilers the following year). Mike Bossy scored 60 goals yet again, and Wayne Gretzky became acquainted with Billy Smith's crease.
