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The Proud Bastard Children of the NHL and the Coliseum

UNIONDALE, NY - JULY 13: Banners promoting the upcoming referendum for a new arena adorn the Nassau Coliseum during the New York Islanders  prospects evaluation camp at Nassau Veterans Memorial Coliseum on July 13, 2011 in Uniondale, New York.  (Photo by Bruce Bennett/Getty Images)

I found it funny towards the end of the season, when the Islanders were playing the Rangers and Butchie mentioned that without the Rangers, there wouldn't be the Islanders. If the Rangers had anything to do with it, the Islanders would have never come into existence. Hell, if the NHL back then had a choice, the Islanders would have never existed.

Nassau County, preferring not to have a team in the Coliseum from the upstart WHA, had only one recourse to keep the WHA out. That was to get an NHL team. William Shea, who helped get the Mets a decade earlier, was crucial to convincing the NHL -- who likewise wanted to keep the WHA out wherever they could block them -- to add a team to a once-new Coliseum, now in need of replacement 40 years later. To even the schedule and plant a stake in the South to counter the WHA's Miami franchise, the NHL also added the Atlanta Flames to the mix.

The Islanders managed all of 12 wins in their first season. In a way it makes it interesting that Shea was key to two teams in the area who would set records as worst ever in their first year, then rise to the top within their first decade of existence. But for the Islanders, that time on top was something historic.

Star-divide

Four straight Stanley Cup wins, five straight Finals appearances. It has not been repeated since in the NHL, NFL, MLB or NBA. Larry Bird's Celtics made four straight finals, Jordan's Bulls won three straight finals twice, Johnson's Lakers made four straight finals, Jeter's Yanks made four straight finals, Gretzky's Oilers only made three straight finals and only Jim Kelly's Bills made four straight Super Bowls.

We all know it, but the level of talent and history involved with the Islanders Dynasty is simply amazing. There are of course plenty of greats who are recognized by the team and the Hockey Hall of Fame, but there are so many instances when someone who seems lost to history made the big plays. That's the great thing about the Islanders. That's the biggest thing Long Island has to lose if the vote is No on August 1st. These moments and this legacy would be lost if the team moves on.

Let's not kid ourselves. I've heard every excuse in the world, from the cable deal to the oft-heard suggestion that the NHL will not let any Cup winners move. But if this doesn't work -- if the Islanders are sold -- they are going to move. The Atlanta Thrashers and Atlanta Hawks had one of the sweetest arena naming deals around, with one caveat: both teams needed to stay in the Arena. If you think Bettman is about to step in and save the day for a County that won't help itself, just take a look at Atlanta.

If you go back and read old news stories, you can find some mentioning that a new Islanders arena was 2 to 3 years away back in 1999. Then, and now, the arena is falling apart. But even if it weren't, you can't make space which doesn't exist: To compete today you need high price luxury suites which are commonly sold to corporations. Nassau Coliseum can't add anymore, and even those luxury suites which do exist pale in comparison to the Devils and Rangers suites.

 

Aug. 1: It's bigger than any of us. It's all of us.

The vote on August 1st is so much bigger than an arena. It's bigger than Long Island, Nassau and the Town Hempstead. It's bigger than a projected loss of $104 million for the County if they leave. It's a history and a team that have brought together people from all across the world now. From the people who frequent LHH, Islandermania, Botta's Point Blank, and countless other sites, we really are all Islanders. It's sitting on a couch, watching the game with a beer in your hand and a laptop set to the open thread. It's the timeless tradition of getting together with friends and family at the bar to watch the game. It's showing up at the Coliseum to see them in blue, it's the many fans around the continent showing up on the road to see them in white -- and it's the many fans around the world who follow every move online.

That's another thing that would be gone: The tradition. Sharing those great moments with the next generation. Telling them about Tonelli to Nystrom. Or how Tonelli just wouldn't let the dream of a Dynasty die in 1982. The night that Kelly Hrudey faced 75 shots. Ferraro to Volek. Shawn Bates' penalty shot. Wade Dubielewicz's stick poke. Being there when John Tavares scored his first goal. When the Islanders said enough was enough to the Penguins. (Again.)

Even beyond that, I'm sure we all have moments we hold dear. The more obscure moments we try to bring up whenever talking about the Islanders. We hold dear the good times, we laugh and cry about the bad and we relish being fans. If the team were to move, those moments would become like ghosts. I don't think anyone here or in any other community that follows the Islanders actually wants to see them gone. But for a lot of us who don't live in Nassau, it's out of our hands.

To so many of us, this is more than dollars and cents. The vote isn't about the economy, or the sustainability of the arena, or even the development of the Hub, but the life and death of a dear family member. This is the end of the road. The Islanders have finally gotten all the ducks in a row among the politicians. Now all they need is people to vote yes and the team is saved. If someone votes no, they aren't saying they prefer the team playing at the current coliseum with some renovations. If they vote no it's not a knock on Charles Wang. Voting no is assuring that the team will be leaving soon. People always seem unwilling to realize this unless the Uhauls are at the door and the team is ready to move.

 

We Are Bastard Children. And Proud.

Speaking of Wang, as I've said before if someone was willing to buy the team and dedicated to keeping it on Long Island, he would have sold it long ago. But this vote is bigger than Wang. Whatever issues people may or may not have with Wang, they can't let that sway their vote. If the vote passes and the Islanders are on Long Island for the next 30 years, he'll simply be one chapter in the long, storied history of the team, rather than the final chapter as the guy who lost money for a decade trying to keep the team where it belongs.

Just as the Islanders have always been the bastard children of the NHL, doing things their way despite "popular opinion," we are the bastard fans. We fight every inch of the way for our Islanders. It's tough to find a negative comment anywhere online about the Isles that doesn't have a reply from a well read Isles fan telling them exactly what they have wrong. We rally against the NHL ignoring our history by making our own videos. We come out in the thousands for hockey in July amongst a bunch of prospects.

I don't think anyone would campaign to tear down the Montauk Lighthouse because there is a limited need for a lighthouse in today's day and age. People understand it has a rich history, including ties to George Washington who authorized its construction.

In only 40 years the Islanders have put together a richer history than some Original Six teams. While the team has had it's share of stars and great players, it has plenty of players who worked hard, loved Long Island and helped make them a great team. In the end, that's what makes a team a team, those guys who you never heard of or remember doing the small things they can in big moments. It's why in the future you can show a tape of a Tonelli, a Henning or a MacDonald and say with hard work kid, that can be you.

But that's only if the arena vote passes.

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by ogam5 on Jul 22, 2011 12:17 PM EDT reply actions  

Most of us will have to be back where we live to vote.
And Im going to work (though I already mentioned that to you lol) because I would otherwise spent the whole day twisted into knots.

Let Us Go, Islanders! (Ever notice how strange that sounds without the contraction?)

by TheMetalChick on Jul 23, 2011 1:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

True, C - but I suddenly know what it must feel like to be a.....

…..carpetbagger, what with you being the only person to respond!

by ogam5 on Jul 23, 2011 2:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

Rumor has it we're in negotiations with Yashin

umm what?

what’s this mean for Bailey if true

Pr*j*ct**ns lead to long term injuries, just ask the asian guy from Inception

by ArsenalLI on Jul 22, 2011 12:22 PM EDT reply actions  

Most likely Lies

Yashin’s Agent claims this yearly in order to drum up interest in him.

"I bet Calgary wishes they had a backup goalie as their GM" - Pauly C
Contributor to Lighthouse Hockey not sure if I'm the Sniper or the Enforcer.

by Mark D on Jul 22, 2011 12:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Definitely

agent claims. Be nice to see Strang get a team response though.

God, it would be terrible if it’s true.

by afrosupreme on Jul 22, 2011 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

For Bailey, it's a powerful lesson in agent-speak

Lighthouse Hockey: A flute with no holes is not a flute. A Dane with no holes is Frans Nielsen.

by Dominik on Jul 22, 2011 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, doesn't make any sense

Perhaps if (1) Isles were a top-6 NHL team this season or (2) Yashin was not 38 years old it would be potentially good for Isles. But WAY more potential risk than potential gain from taking back Yashin.

by North Dakota Red Eagle on Jul 22, 2011 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'd rather see the Isles sign Jason Bonsignore to a PTO

then see Yashin back in uniform. And is this even possible given the buy-out. How does it work if a team is still paying for a player’s bought-out contract and then offers them a new contract?

Where is the special Yashin-section of the CBA?

by Jones79 on Jul 22, 2011 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's no problem

The Senators actually did this with Alfredsson (who was also on a pre-lockout contract) and promptly signed a different deal.

Lighthouse Hockey: A flute with no holes is not a flute. A Dane with no holes is Frans Nielsen.

by Dominik on Jul 22, 2011 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

This is brilliant
Just as the Islanders have always been the bastard children of the NHL, doing things their way despite “popular opinion,” we are the bastard fans. We fight every inch of the way for our Islanders. It’s tough to find a negative comment anywhere online about the Isles that doesn’t have a reply from a well read Isles fan telling them exactly what they have wrong. We rally against the NHL ignoring our history by making our own videos. We come out in the thousands for hockey in July amongst a bunch of prospects.

Thank you.

It’s difficult for me to put into words what the Islanders mean to me, especially when talking to those who only think of the Islanders as a last place team from the mid 90s. Its like swimming up a waterfall of misconceptions and stale putdowns. But “Proud Bastards of the NHL” is the perfect label for the Islanders and their fans.

PS: I still attribute 95% of the blame for our bastard status directly to Milbury.

"It's too bad he lives in the city. He's depriving some small village of a pretty good idiot" - Mike Milbury on Ziggy Palffy's agent Paul Kraus during Palffy's contract holdout in 1998.

by PGI on Jul 22, 2011 12:40 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

please don't let this team become the New Quebec Nordiques

let them have Phoenix instead (or something like that – nothing against you guys in AZ)

you would have to think it is political suicide for any current elected official to get in the way of this

the voters would have their collective heads in the following election for removing a key economic driver for the region

by Cary K on Jul 22, 2011 12:47 PM EDT reply actions  

let me correct one point

this vote guarantees the isles stay in ny. a vote no does not mean they leave the state.

i believe personally that the nhl wouldnt let the isles leave the nyc area. they will almost certainly leave NASSAU, but of course none of this is certain.

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by garik16 on Jul 22, 2011 12:49 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

I don’t think a buyer exists that would keep them on the Island.

Wang can probably get more money with less work selling the team to someone who plans to move them to any number of places.

After the Atlanta mess, I don’t trust the NHL to step in and do anything. It was obvious that Bettman had made some overtures to True North about getting them a team and was shocked that Glendale actually paid to keep the Coyotes. He could have stepped in and at least pretended that he wanted to find a local owner for the Thrashers.

If I’m Wang, this is the last straw. I’ve done everything I could do to get an arena for the last 15 years. If people come out and vote it down, I throw up my hands and give up.

"I bet Calgary wishes they had a backup goalie as their GM" - Pauly C
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by Mark D on Jul 22, 2011 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think you could definitely find a buyer to keep them in NY

Maybe not necessarily on Long Island but you’re talking about a team with an established fan base in the top market in the US. Seems like a no brainer to keep them around even if its not in Hempstead.

Pr*j*ct**ns lead to long term injuries, just ask the asian guy from Inception

by ArsenalLI on Jul 22, 2011 1:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Then why was it so hard to find a competent (or at least one with money) owner like Wang? The team was basically up for sale through all of the 90s and we had the Spano affair and then the Milstein mess. If anything I’d think it was less likely that someone buys the team now then in the late 90s.

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by Mark D on Jul 22, 2011 1:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

wasn't there a rumor recently

someone was interested in buying the team and then wang had to come out and say the team wasn’t for sale?

Pr*j*ct**ns lead to long term injuries, just ask the asian guy from Inception

by ArsenalLI on Jul 22, 2011 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Just looked it up, hence the Snapple reference from Anacurt

Pr*j*ct**ns lead to long term injuries, just ask the asian guy from Inception

by ArsenalLI on Jul 22, 2011 1:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’ve been to other Islander boards that are really venomous towards Wang, and they claim almost monthly that someone is interested in buying the team. Usually they involve Pat LaFontaine.

If someone buys the team, they are basically starting from scratch when it comes to the arena.

"I bet Calgary wishes they had a backup goalie as their GM" - Pauly C
Contributor to Lighthouse Hockey not sure if I'm the Sniper or the Enforcer.

by Mark D on Jul 22, 2011 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm a fan of Wang

He’s fought very hard to keep the team here, just don’t think it’d be the end of the world if he wanted to sell as I think we could get someone to keep the team here.

Pr*j*ct**ns lead to long term injuries, just ask the asian guy from Inception

by ArsenalLI on Jul 22, 2011 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

The arena and lease, I think

Every potential owner in the ‘90s hoped for a land deal that came with a team attached, then discovered that there weren’t any ways out of the handcuff lease and the land deal wasn’t forthcoming because municipal politicians would rather fight over it for 15 years than do something.

Today you’ll at least be free of the building one way or another, vs. the mid-90s. If a guy sees potential in NY and wants to wait for a building arrangement (Queens? Brooklyn?), it could maybe happen. Otherwise the biggest threat is probably Quebec, since their government seems determined to build them an arena. I don’t include K.C. because they have an empty building and no owner has stepped up to bring them a team.

Lighthouse Hockey: A flute with no holes is not a flute. A Dane with no holes is Frans Nielsen.

by Dominik on Jul 22, 2011 1:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Even Quebec seeems to have bailed on the arena deal when the feds decided not to fund it.

The Islanders TV deal is still key and half the value of the team. If the TV deal goes, so does the teams value. Nassau may be doomed, but I sincerely doubt they leave the market. Have they imploded the Brendan Byrne Arena yet?

Nassau Coliseum lost a veteran and an original Islander fan. ACC 1918-2011

by Hockey1919 on Jul 22, 2011 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Didn't know that about Quebec

On Brendan Byrne: Ha, was thinking the same thing. Talk about an orphanage.

Lighthouse Hockey: A flute with no holes is not a flute. A Dane with no holes is Frans Nielsen.

by Dominik on Jul 22, 2011 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

There's still talk in Quebec, but a lot of promises were made until the budget came out.

Haven’t been following it as much since there are a whole lot of stadium deals being discussed “locally” that are more important.

Nassau Coliseum lost a veteran and an original Islander fan. ACC 1918-2011

by Hockey1919 on Jul 22, 2011 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

I really thought there were no options for Atlanta

No local buyers, no one responding to the search firm — and I think the issue is they’d be sharing a building with someone who owned and controlled the NBA team and building rights.

At least in Phoenix, you have bidders who know they are getting a sweet lease and are the top dog in the building. Sounds like the Coyotes were minutes away from moving back to Winnipeg last year before Glendale offered another bounty. Then we’d just have two teams moving (which we may still).

Lighthouse Hockey: A flute with no holes is not a flute. A Dane with no holes is Frans Nielsen.

by Dominik on Jul 22, 2011 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

There was someone who came forward

At the last possible second, but they had almost no money down.

"I bet Calgary wishes they had a backup goalie as their GM" - Pauly C
Contributor to Lighthouse Hockey not sure if I'm the Sniper or the Enforcer.

by Mark D on Jul 22, 2011 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, and the previous owners kind of cock-blocked that process

But none of the late groups sounded serious. Anson Carter for the win!

Lighthouse Hockey: A flute with no holes is not a flute. A Dane with no holes is Frans Nielsen.

by Dominik on Jul 22, 2011 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

This is what pains me
If you go back and read old news stories, you can find some mentioning that a new Islanders arena was 2 to 3 years away back in 1999.

The whole arena saga goes back really as far as you want to set the mile marker. Even during the Cup years there was talk of lease and financial issues. Then came the crippling 30-year lease which became an indentured sentence that has dominated the background for more than two decades.

The way the talk was in 1989, throughout the ‘90s and when Wang took over, never in a million years did I imagine we’d still be at this point in 2011.

Lighthouse Hockey: A flute with no holes is not a flute. A Dane with no holes is Frans Nielsen.

by Dominik on Jul 22, 2011 12:53 PM EDT reply actions  

I remember the "Thank you, Spano" chants in the late 90s

In a perverse way, I look forward most of all to simply having issues like this finally settled once and for all so that everyone can focus on the hockey stuff.

"It's too bad he lives in the city. He's depriving some small village of a pretty good idiot" - Mike Milbury on Ziggy Palffy's agent Paul Kraus during Palffy's contract holdout in 1998.

by PGI on Jul 22, 2011 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Amen

So tired of the non-hockey side. And it would put an end to the circular arguments with critics that bounce from the team to the owner to the GM to the contracts, to the building to the fanbase, back to the team again.

Lighthouse Hockey: A flute with no holes is not a flute. A Dane with no holes is Frans Nielsen.

by Dominik on Jul 22, 2011 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

with apologies to Bill Murray
The hell’s the matter with you? Stupid! We’re all very different people. We’re not Canadiens. We’re not Rangers. We’re Islanders, with a capital ‘I’, huh? You know what that means? Do ya? That means that our forefathers were kicked out of every decent original six team in the world. We are the wretched refuse born to stop the WHA. We’re the underdog until JP scores 11 seconds into Overtime. We’re bastards! There’s no animal that’s more faithful, that’s more loyal, more loveable than the bastard.

and that in a nutshell makes us Islander fans.

Nassau Coliseum lost a veteran and an original Islander fan. ACC 1918-2011

by Hockey1919 on Jul 22, 2011 1:37 PM EDT reply actions   2 recs

Someone please punch Mark Gandler in the throat

Just FYI, Gandler is claiming the Islanders are offering Yashin a deal, which he is considering. Did the icegirl tryouts come early this year and I am unaware of it?

I didn’t hate Yashin when he was on the Isles, but would Snow really want a 38 year old “first-line” center?

Nassau Coliseum lost a veteran and an original Islander fan. ACC 1918-2011

by Hockey1919 on Jul 22, 2011 1:54 PM EDT reply actions  

If he's signing a minor league deal

then fine. Just keep him the fuck away from the NHL.

Official choice of Lighthouse Dog #1.

by Fabtraption on Jul 22, 2011 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Isles and Coliseum

There are no more bidders in Phoenix — the one that was interested has walked away and may buy the Blues. Barring a miracle, the Coyotes are a dead team walking — as are the Isles on LI is the vote fails or something else goes wrong.

Atlanta was an ownerships mess — different parties suing each other while the team rotted. Never had a chance, especially as long as the team didn’t perform.

My nightmare: Isles, like Nords in early 1990s, pile up young talent but move right before the payoff of a title.

by DonSmythe on Jul 22, 2011 1:57 PM EDT reply actions  

Adding to that nightmare

All the affinity I feel for the current players…I think it would dissipate.

Lighthouse Hockey: A flute with no holes is not a flute. A Dane with no holes is Frans Nielsen.

by Dominik on Jul 22, 2011 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Rec'd this article

Best I’ve ever read here. Especially the part about saying enough is enough to the Pens.

I’m a Long Islander outsider too. Weird when you want the team to stay there so bad, but have never even been there. And can’t do anything about it.

"We can't get pushed around," Haley said. "What commentators say about us, that's their job. My job is to try and limit as many people who want to take liberties with our guys as possible."

by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Jul 22, 2011 1:57 PM EDT reply actions  

This debt ceiling is my concern, dude.

I’m worried voters will be frightened away from voting yes because of the unresolved debt ceiling crisis due spin the Earth off its axis on Aug 2nd, a mere day after the Aug 1st referendum with its own mountain of debt.

What do others think of these impending financial decisions? Am I worried simply because I’m an Islanders fan and that is how it is? Or is there something to my fears? I’m not so sure, my family on Long Island, a cousin in Smithtown, says it will pass, her sister in Oyster Bay isn’t voting, and my Aunt in Old Westbury is voting yes. The rest are unsure (an older cousin, and his wife and father).

by Jones79 on Jul 22, 2011 2:08 PM EDT reply actions  

Nothing is [fisted] here, man

No, I think there’s sensible reason to worry because of the financial hole the County has already put itself into.

U.S. municipalities spent a couple decades rather foolishly shelling out for stadiums, and that pendulum has started to swing back. Has it swung back too much? Does it take this one down with it, even though by comparison it’s hardly the commitment a lot of cities have swallowed?

Lighthouse Hockey: A flute with no holes is not a flute. A Dane with no holes is Frans Nielsen.

by Dominik on Jul 22, 2011 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Great Write up

One more memory, the best in recent times:

Al Arbor Night and the most winningest coach for any single NHL team, ever.

Bite the Dust Original Six.

by ghalbart on Jul 22, 2011 2:16 PM EDT reply actions  

Yashin

Well its all over TSN and now Newsday. Apparently he’s already working out on the Island. Makes me wonder if this is trhe first step in something bigger. If I needed someone to fill in for a year rather than hurry some of the kids in the system – especially at center and someone who could instill some sense into a couple of his countrymen and do it cheap
I might consider it.

by Peter Puck on Jul 22, 2011 2:19 PM EDT reply actions  

I hope it's not true

Because the whole bloody world will be smirking at the Isles for re-signing him.

BUT – if it does happen I hope he scores 30+ goals and has a dominant playoffs. Just to shut ’em all up.

We may be in the box, but you get the penalty.
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by mikb on Jul 22, 2011 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

Amen.

Buy stocks in turtlenecks!

Lighthouse Hockey: A flute with no holes is not a flute. A Dane with no holes is Frans Nielsen.

by Dominik on Jul 22, 2011 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

My promise to you

If Yashin returns to the Islanders, I will wear a turtleneck every day that team’s in the playoffs.

Current number of turtlenecks owned: ZERO. I’ll go to the outlets and buy a half-dozen if I have to.

We may be in the box, but you get the penalty.
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by mikb on Jul 22, 2011 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think opening night should be

Turtleneck Night.

I used to rock the turtlenecks when I was kid like they were going out of style…..oh they were never in style….but they were in the yashin and monopoly man world, where most of my fashion sense came from.

by ghalbart on Jul 22, 2011 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

I believe it's called a "tactileneck"

(Any Archer fans out there?)

Official choice of Lighthouse Dog #1.

by Fabtraption on Jul 22, 2011 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Does JT give up 91 to Yashin?

Maybe where 61 (upside down 19 Trottier wore in the All-star Game one year)?

Nassau Coliseum lost a veteran and an original Islander fan. ACC 1918-2011

by Hockey1919 on Jul 22, 2011 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think

Yashin was 79, after being 19 in Ottawa.

by afrosupreme on Jul 22, 2011 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

you're right, why was I thinking he had 91?

maybe because 91 like Goring post Kings and makes far more sense than 79 which was supposed to look like 19, but doesn’t.

Nassau Coliseum lost a veteran and an original Islander fan. ACC 1918-2011

by Hockey1919 on Jul 22, 2011 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Pay enough scribbly bar tabs in the Czech Republic

And you’ll start to think 79 looks like 19.

Lighthouse Hockey: A flute with no holes is not a flute. A Dane with no holes is Frans Nielsen.

by Dominik on Jul 22, 2011 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

if a six turned out to be nine

I don’t mind…

We may be in the box, but you get the penalty.
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by mikb on Jul 22, 2011 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yashin probably tells everyone he invented it.

"It's too bad he lives in the city. He's depriving some small village of a pretty good idiot" - Mike Milbury on Ziggy Palffy's agent Paul Kraus during Palffy's contract holdout in 1998.

by PGI on Jul 22, 2011 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nice!

Yes, Archer fan present and accounted for.

Lighthouse Hockey: A flute with no holes is not a flute. A Dane with no holes is Frans Nielsen.

by Dominik on Jul 22, 2011 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

holy s***snacks

We really were separated at birth, Dom.

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by mikb on Jul 22, 2011 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

The correct response is

sploosh…

"It's too bad he lives in the city. He's depriving some small village of a pretty good idiot" - Mike Milbury on Ziggy Palffy's agent Paul Kraus during Palffy's contract holdout in 1998.

by PGI on Jul 22, 2011 4:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

DANGAH ZONE!

Official choice of Lighthouse Dog #1.

by Fabtraption on Jul 22, 2011 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Whoa

Sploosh for “brothers separated at birth”????

PHRASING.

We may be in the box, but you get the penalty.
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by mikb on Jul 22, 2011 4:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

When they're dead

they’re just hookers, Cyril.

"He's depriving some small village of a pretty good idiot" - Mike Milbury on Ziggy Palffy's agent Paul Kraus during Palffy's contract holdout in 1998.

by PGI on Jul 22, 2011 4:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

That line made me shoot beer out my nose

Seriously. (On the show, not now.) Just wasn’t expecting that level of detailed classification.

Lighthouse Hockey: A flute with no holes is not a flute. A Dane with no holes is Frans Nielsen.

by Dominik on Jul 22, 2011 5:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

mikb

What’s great is I read that perfectly in her voice, without missing a beat.

Oh, Archer. It’s in me.

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by Dominik on Jul 22, 2011 5:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Benoit...

HOGUE!

Totally nailed that one.

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by mikb on Jul 23, 2011 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Lying SOB

I was the first person to recognize the turtleneck’s potential as a tactical garment!

by Nick (LetThereBeLighthouse) on Jul 23, 2011 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

what are we paying him

NOT to play for us this year?

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by bob l on Jul 22, 2011 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

I believe its 2 million a year

Anyone please correct me if I’m wrong.

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by pippup on Jul 22, 2011 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

2.2

just looked it up on my phone (instead of my computer for some reason (wtf bob?) )

i have to say if he donates his buyout to the arena deal then i can look past him skating thru mud to get to the corners again

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by bob l on Jul 22, 2011 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Maybe that's the secret!

His cap hit finally drops this year, so maybe they feel they need to make up the difference.

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by Dominik on Jul 22, 2011 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

not sure what to say

not a yashin fan at all…but other teams brought back guys like Jagr….this could be to buy time for younger kids…combined with Reasoner signing, might mean Bailey is getting package somewhere for that number one D man…if Reasoner can match Bailey’s production from last year, and Yashin can be at least a third line winger, that would make Bailey expendable for this coming season and keep Nino in juniors another year…with JT as number one and Neilson as number three centres, it is likely one of Isles centre prospects will emerge in a few years as a number two centre….just speculating though

by CanadianIsleslifer on Jul 22, 2011 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

It is also reported on NHL.com

-how embarrassing.

But really, I don’t know how I would feel if we signed Yashin; or resigned to a new contract rather. If he helped us out it wouldn’t be terrible. But then again where would he be placed? Ah, I don’t know. This sounds a little serious going by the articles I’ve read on NHL.com and Newsday. Could Yashin’s future be on Long Island?

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by pippup on Jul 22, 2011 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

not worried about that

By now, Gandler’s done his job well… it’s been whispered about so much that it now has a life of its own and everyone and his twin is obligated to mention it.

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by mikb on Jul 22, 2011 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

My semi-rationale thoughts on Yashin

If, and it’s a big if, Garth Snow truly believes that Yashin can help this team next season and in the long run, then I will fully accept the mockery and ridicule this deal will put all Islander fans under. I rather be mocked and see the team improved than not make a deal because of bad press. The way I see it, it is similar to the Nabokov deal, Snow was crucified by commenters on the internet, but he got a decent goaltender for absolutely nothing. After Streit, Moulson, Grabner, PAP signings I’m beginning to trust his hockey judegment regardless of the opinions of people that think Mike Milbury still runs this team.

Where I take issue is the timing. If Gandler were just speaking it is just silly rumors, Garth confirming it in Newsday is suicidal. Are so many teams knocking on Yashin’s door that this had to come out just a week before the vote? You are getting a lot of casual Islander fans thinking this is a disaster and you can’t afford to lose a single vote on 8.1.11. I’m also concerned that this may give the impression that Wang is once again involved in hockey operations and that, in my opinion, would be a disaster.

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by Hockey1919 on Jul 22, 2011 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Very true
If, and it’s a big if, Garth Snow truly believes that Yashin can help this team next season and in the long run, then I will fully accept the mockery and ridicule this deal will put all Islander fans under. I rather be mocked and see the team improved than not make a deal because of bad press.

It’s very difficult for me to come to that, but yes, very true. The optics, in the end, don’t matter.

Except, as you say, for 8.1.11. Although even there, I just don’t know how this month’s operations will affect the vote. Islanders fans happy and sad seem to welcome pain with equally open arms. Nothing drives us away.

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by Dominik on Jul 22, 2011 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Great article Dom: the potential to move is real

a new team will have to secure it’s own TV contract, but out of every team in the NHL currently facing question marks, the Isles have to be at the top of the list for every city looking to poach someone elses team. 2/3rds through a rebuild, loaded with prospects…helluva better deal than buying an expansion team…federal funding for an arena became a political issue in the recent federal election in Canada, that quashed hope for federal funding in Quebec City…they still have the province, local government and hopes of a millionaire or two…Winnipeg is now the model to getting an existing franchise…build it and treat it like an NHL team, fill it with an AHL team, and be ready at a moments notice.

by CanadianIsleslifer on Jul 22, 2011 2:31 PM EDT reply actions  

wasnt dom

was our friendly neighborhood web slinger

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by bob l on Jul 22, 2011 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Whalers Sports & Entertainment claims to be following the Winnipeg model

While I’d like to see the NHL return to Hartford, I do not want that to happen at the expense of the Islanders’ franchise.

by Dougtone on Jul 22, 2011 8:20 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

The best hope is that the "No" votes don't bother to show up

I think that has been the assumption all along and why the vote was scheduled for Aug. 1, an obscure date to hold a vote, to be sure.

We’ll see!

by AP77 on Jul 22, 2011 4:24 PM EDT reply actions  

Great read

As I always say to any one who will listen

GREATEST AMERICAN NHL DYNASTY
The New York Islanders
Case closed

No debates.

Take your two wins in the seventies (flyers)
Take you two wins in the ninties and one Crosby win (pens)
Take your Avs/wings wars
Take your ONE win every 80 Years (rags)
And shove em up your ……..

by Torch7 on Jul 22, 2011 4:43 PM EDT via mobile reply actions   1 recs

Wait wait wait...

I fthe vote passes, we know it will get through the politicians and NIFA? That’s what I got from this;

The Islanders have finally gotten all the ducks in a row among the politicians. Now all they need is people to vote yes and the team is saved.

Because I’m cautiously confident about this passing.

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by Chairman Meow on Jul 22, 2011 10:00 PM EDT reply actions  

Personally

I don’t think NIFA or a politician will try to block a popular vote.

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by Mark D on Jul 22, 2011 10:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

But but but

NIFA is a non-partisan body, uninfluenced by politics or appointments.

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by Dominik on Jul 23, 2011 12:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Them saying they're uninfluenced by politics is BS

But it still makes me nervous.

"So much ice on my windshield you'd think I just robbed a Kay Jeweler. "
-LF

by Chairman Meow on Jul 23, 2011 5:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Bettman has already stated that the Islanders won't spend one more minute in the Coliseum than it has too.

(Spoken during the Columbus Day game last season). If the areener gets voted down, sure sounds like they will be leaving no matter who the owner is.

I practically lived at the Coliseum in the 70’s. If it wasn’t the Isles, then it was concerts….Rush, AC/DC ( w/ Bon Scott) opening for Nugent, BOC (when I wasn’t catching Soft White Underbelly at My Father’s Place) even though it was a hell of a trip for a Queens guy (Bus, Subway, LIRR, Bus, walk)

great read Mr. Web. Too bad you can’t print this in a full page spread in Newsday.

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by FireGarthSnow on Jul 23, 2011 12:36 AM EDT reply actions   1 recs

Nice!

Now I feel guilty about whining how hard it is to get to the Coliseum without a car.

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May 24, 1980: Tonelli to Nystrom. At long last, the steady build of the New York Islanders from expansion doormat to surprise semifinalist to annual contender reaches the promised land: Buoyed by a late season trade for Butch Goring that gave the team the depth up the middle GM Bill Torrey had been seeking, the Islanders knock off the Philadelphia Flyers in six games.

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