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Depth Signings: The Tim Wallace File

"I told you not to call me a Penguin."

The Islanders have signed Tim Wallace, a defector from the Penguins organization, to a two-way deal. Why?

Physical, Veteran Winger: Not a huge guy (6'1", 207-ish), but a physical one capable of some fights and some big hits, some of which would be memorable to longtime Sound Tiger followers.

Some Scoring Punch for the AHL: Again, far from a lights-out scorer, but he did pop in over 20 goals each of the past two seasons. A four-year Notre Dame product, he was no big scorer there either, but as he turns 27 he'll know his way around the AHL.

Star-divide

Was he drafted? No.

Was he touted like one of those sexy undrafted college free agents? No. THN says:

ASSETS: Displays a sound work rate and a motor that never quits. Has good size and the feistiness to win a lot of battles in the corners.

FLAWS: Isn't a natural in the scoring department. Must avoid taking bad penalties. Lacks the vision and hockey sense of a top-six winger.

Does he smell like Penguin? Hopefully not. Five years is a long time, but Penguin funk can be removed with a diligent summer showering regimen.

Does he have NHL experience? Just a bit, getting brief, essentially emergency callups the last three seasons, including 7 games last year.

Does he like Blue Oyster Cult? Well, I mean, who doesn't? Sheesh.

Can we call him William? Whoa, whoa, whoa. You gotta earn that name first.

Overall, sounds like a veteran who can help mentor and protect some of the many kids the Islanders have set to play in Bridgeport. With captain Mark Wotton apparently not being brought back, the organization will probably lean on guys like Wallace and Jeremy Colliton for leadership roles.

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Katy Strang telegraphed this one!

We knew a big deal was coming, but making the Penguins weaker in the process is really exceptional. Great work Garth!

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by Hockey1919 on Jul 21, 2011 5:14 PM EDT reply actions  

He probably walked out with Crosby’s medical records.

Lighthouse Hockey: A flute with no holes is not a flute. A Dane with no holes is Frans Nielsen.

by Dominik on Jul 21, 2011 5:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hopefully with MARIO's soupbox as well.

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by bossy2219 on Jul 21, 2011 8:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

I just have to say...

are you FIST’n Me?

couldn’t hold back. Hope that Garth is working on a much bigger deal to help push the kids to the next level.

by Katzenhammer on Jul 21, 2011 5:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Bouchard with that headdress at 1 AM was just.....SURREAL. So tired I almost fell off my chair

Only chance I had to see RJD, with Sabbath (they were significantly delayed for reasons that escape me after 30 years) – so I’m grateful for that. Furthermore, when I was at the Springfield Civic Center to buy tickets for that show, I also managed to nab 4th row for Rush!

by ogam5 on Jul 21, 2011 6:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nicely DONE, Brian - you happened to seize upon what may be my favorite Rush number.....

…..haunting as hell, and definitely among Ged’s most soulful readings…..

by ogam5 on Jul 21, 2011 7:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hemispheres ruled my world for quite a while

I love Rush so much that I can’t even pick a favorite album, but I do love two era’s:

1 – Hemispheres & Permanent Waves (the just-before-Moving-Pictures Rush; you can hear and feel them playing tighter, more complex, coming into their own, and peaking musically. I mean, does it get any better than La Villa Strangiato and Natural Science? These guys were virtuosos.)

2 – Signals & Grace Under Pressure (after MP, you can hear them slow down with some really dark, ominous songs like Losing It and Between The Wheels. But these dark albums were so incredibly passionate and intense. Songs like Afterimage and The Weapon blew me away. They were, for some reason, very close to breaking up after GUP, but they regrouped, changed their direction, and were reborn with Power Windows, which I found very dissappointing. And that would be the end of their musical peak – but not their lyrical peak.)

"Seriously that's the last time you guys f#@%ing won?" -RSH (about beating the Penguins in '93)

by Bryan2112 on Jul 21, 2011 10:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Speaking of dark, ominous Signals songs.....

The tone that Alex gets on “Digital Man” is the DARKEST…..

by ogam5 on Jul 21, 2011 11:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Darkest Eighties song by FAR, BTW?

“Static”, the follow-up (of sorts) to Tony Carey & Planet P Project’s “Why Me” – could be THE most desolate-sounding song ever recorded – and CanadianIslesLifer will appreciate this: very much influenced by FM’s City Of Fear album to these ears…..

by ogam5 on Jul 22, 2011 5:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

Hemispheres!

Progressive Rock album or MOST Progressive Rock album ever?

Four songs. One is 18 minutes long. Another is a nine minute instrumental. And one is about trees arguing.

"It's too bad he lives in the city. He's depriving some small village of a pretty good idiot" - Mike Milbury on Ziggy Palffy's agent Paul Kraus during Palffy's contract holdout in 1998.

by PGI on Jul 22, 2011 9:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

Sorry. Should have mentioned

That Rush is my favorite band. Hemispheres is my favorite of their albums.

"It's too bad he lives in the city. He's depriving some small village of a pretty good idiot" - Mike Milbury on Ziggy Palffy's agent Paul Kraus during Palffy's contract holdout in 1998.

by PGI on Jul 22, 2011 9:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

The entirety of 2112 happens to be on GH:WOR

damn near made the game worth it by itself for me.

"Human beings make life so interesting. Do you know, that in a universe so full of wonders, they have managed to invent boredom?" ~ Death

by NSOsFan on Jul 22, 2011 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

I have it and have played it once

You have to play the whole thing at one time, which is a long commitment. The best part is the narration between songs by the band – even Neil.

That game also kinda sucked. Rock Band 3 (or 2, for that matter) blows it out of the water for multiple reasons and has plenty of Rush, including all of Moving Pictures.

"It's too bad he lives in the city. He's depriving some small village of a pretty good idiot" - Mike Milbury on Ziggy Palffy's agent Paul Kraus during Palffy's contract holdout in 1998.

by PGI on Jul 22, 2011 11:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

we have something in common lol

everyone knows a few amazing musicians who never made it, and lets face it, there are countless music “stars” who made it big with gimmick and a certain sound that are not really that good of musicians, but all three rush band members are incredible musicians…

by CanadianIsleslifer on Jul 22, 2011 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nothing like a pretensious Candian Power Trio

I like Rush, and I like Prog Rock. Whenever I think about Rush though I can’t help but visualize a bunch of nerdy teenagers from the ’70s sitting around and playing Dungeons and Dragons while listening to Tom Sawyer.

by MatthewM11 on Jul 22, 2011 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Rec'd!

Now that is the freaking spirit!

Lighthouse Hockey: A flute with no holes is not a flute. A Dane with no holes is Frans Nielsen.

by Dominik on Jul 22, 2011 2:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

The first time...

I saw the Cult was at, gulp, sorry, the Spectrum with Richie Blackmore’s Rainbow. It was the first and only time I saw a flashpot in action and 30 odd years later, still see spots. I am happy BOC is along for the ride on this one.

The signing? Who knows? But the organization probably does still need a little depth.

by kennyboy13 on Jul 21, 2011 10:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

The first and only time for me was

Radio City Music Hall in 83. I think Zebra was the opening act

by IslesinAZ on Jul 21, 2011 10:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

7 games last year?

Only 12 less then Godard, sounds like a bargain.

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by Mark D on Jul 21, 2011 6:15 PM EDT reply actions  

Why not bring back Wotton?

The New York Islanders....they make opposing goalies look gooooood.

by Metalstar on Jul 21, 2011 6:17 PM EDT reply actions  

Too many defensemen?

Is what I suspect. At the end of the year he told Fornabaio he wanted to keep playing.

Lighthouse Hockey: A flute with no holes is not a flute. A Dane with no holes is Frans Nielsen.

by Dominik on Jul 21, 2011 6:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Bridgeport signing

This has to be a move to help protect all of the youngsters we have in Bridgeport. This is Snow’s message do not harm my babies….or else.

by TheMagus on Jul 21, 2011 6:27 PM EDT reply actions  

name 1 sexy AHL signing

That isn’t a prospect with the NHL team already.

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by Mark D on Jul 21, 2011 10:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Dude

We can’t come up with song lyrics for every post…

Oh, you mean the signing? Well, AHL moves are like that.

Lighthouse Hockey: A flute with no holes is not a flute. A Dane with no holes is Frans Nielsen.

by Dominik on Jul 22, 2011 2:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

COULD be a lyrical fragment from an alternative reading of......

…..“It’s The End Of The World (As We Know It)”, though!

by ogam5 on Jul 22, 2011 6:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

This was the same response when Moulson and Parenteau were signed

Not suggesting that Wallace is the next Moulson but hey, you never know. Either way, these depth signings, while not sexy, are vital to an organization.

by MatthewM11 on Jul 22, 2011 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Around that time

I think the Isles announced like six signings, some of them being Moore, Mauldin, Moulson, and I was basically all “They signed some M guys.”

Lighthouse Hockey: A flute with no holes is not a flute. A Dane with no holes is Frans Nielsen.

by Dominik on Jul 22, 2011 5:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

ummm

Botta is marginal at interviews…

by Cary K on Jul 22, 2011 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree

He occasionally stumbles over his words, doesn’t enunciate clearly, and looks like he’s sweating a lot.

Official choice of Lighthouse Dog #1.

by Fabtraption on Jul 22, 2011 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Haha, really?

I didn’t even notice he did that. That’s just inviting trouble.

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by Fabtraption on Jul 22, 2011 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well put and rec'd

This is why the subheading on the top of this site keeps me laughing everyday.

I get the theory that a “big” acquisition could boost the Islanders profile just before the big vote. Obviously, getting new (hopefully better) players is always exciting. Garth, like every other GM, probably has a million hooks in the water and would like to add a top-4 defenseman, along with a 50-goal scorer and a 60-game starting goalie with a 2.00 GAA.

But it’s still summer. A lot of people act like the trade deadline is tomorrow rather than next March. When the right deal comes along, I think he’ll make it. Whenever it is.

"It's too bad he lives in the city. He's depriving some small village of a pretty good idiot" - Mike Milbury on Ziggy Palffy's agent Paul Kraus during Palffy's contract holdout in 1998.

by PGI on Jul 21, 2011 10:10 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Maybe Snow is Kicking the Tires on Shea Weber

Last reports were that Weber and the Predators are still far apart.

Now do I think Nashville will trade Weber? No, I don’t. But the possibility is there if Nashville just can’t sign him with Suter and Rinne also needing to be signed. Lord knows the Islanders have prospects to deal. Maybe Nashville keeps Suter and deals Weber for a package to strengthen their forward lines, which are pretty dismal.

by rmblifn on Jul 22, 2011 12:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

More likely they move Suter once they manage to get Weber under contract.

We always assume it is the guy negotiating for a new contract that is going to be moved. It is more likely Malone gets moved then Stamkos was ever leaving Tampa. It is the dominoes that fall after every deal that are the key pieces.

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by Hockey1919 on Jul 22, 2011 9:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

And I’m not syaing Suter will be moved, just that it is more likely a different piece than the one drawing all of the attention.

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by Hockey1919 on Jul 22, 2011 9:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

Man

I’m probably in the minority, but I think I’d prefer Suter to Weber. Can’t really go wrong with either guy though.

by afrosupreme on Jul 22, 2011 9:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

I'd take either in a heartbeat, but I doubt either move will happen.

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by Hockey1919 on Jul 22, 2011 9:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

Have you seen some of the figures on when Weber plays without Suter?

Interesting food for thought.

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by Dominik on Jul 22, 2011 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

Need more info, which numbers, what does it tell us?

So , no I have not seen these numbers of which you speak.

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by Hockey1919 on Jul 22, 2011 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sorry, that was poor. I don't have the links at the moment

But basically scoring-wise and Corsi-wise his numbers dropped more than I’d have though. Enough to make me hesitate a bit, wonder how good he is without a very strong complement.

I mean, I know he’s still very good regardless, but is he break-the-bank and sell-the-farm good?

Lighthouse Hockey: A flute with no holes is not a flute. A Dane with no holes is Frans Nielsen.

by Dominik on Jul 22, 2011 12:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Just get em both!

"Human beings make life so interesting. Do you know, that in a universe so full of wonders, they have managed to invent boredom?" ~ Death

by NSOsFan on Jul 22, 2011 12:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

I saw something

along those lines. There was also the intimation that Suter might actually produce more offensively away from Weber. Basically, he holds down the fort so Weber can do his thing, but he Suter might very well be able to some nice things if he was turned loose.

But to your question, I don’t think we’re in a position to sell the farm for any one player yet. You don’t make a giant move to just get in a position to make the playoffs. You do it when it’s absolutely clear what you need to compete for the Cup.

I also think it would be good to get a little better read on where some of our young guys are, especially on defense. Having de Haan and Donovan at the pro level should help with that quite a bit.

by afrosupreme on Jul 22, 2011 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Agreed

I have zero interest in Weber, immortal or not, because the price is inherently prohibitive.

But even for those who don’t agree with that, I was wondering if he’s quite what we think he is.

Lighthouse Hockey: A flute with no holes is not a flute. A Dane with no holes is Frans Nielsen.

by Dominik on Jul 22, 2011 1:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

That's what I keep saying about my offensive numbers!

I keep telling everyone that I no longer score because I’m now the vet that takes care of defense and anm willing to sacrifice my offensive numbers for the greater good of the team. That and I’m too slow to rush the puck and too out of shape to have to skate all the way back on "d " after rushing the puck

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by Hockey1919 on Jul 22, 2011 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

That's okay, just trying to be a troubelmaker,

but I figured Weber’s numbers would be the one’s impacted by the loss of Suter.

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by Hockey1919 on Jul 22, 2011 1:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah I always felt Suter was among the most underrated defenseman in the league

The nephew of the dirtiest hockey player to ever lace up skates doesn’t score as much as Weber but he is great all around defender with a chip on his shoulder, and he does move the puck very well.

by MatthewM11 on Jul 22, 2011 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Now that this deal is done: Question about the parade route:

Does it go East to West or West to East down Hempstead Tpke? I haven’t seen any official communications on starting or end points either. I just don’t want to be caught unprepared and shit.

by Les Beaver on Jul 21, 2011 10:19 PM EDT reply actions   2 recs

LMAO

Whenever the fuck it happens, I’ll still be unprepared.

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by Bryan2112 on Jul 21, 2011 10:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

I can only assume ...

this Wallace move is a depth acquisition in preparation for a bigger deal to come.
Maybe ‘hope’ is a better word than ‘assume.’

by dose on Jul 22, 2011 9:53 AM EDT reply actions  

Question:

Does a player’s upcoming arbitration hearing complicate or hinder a teams’s ability to trade him?
I ask because I just get the feeling that Blake Comeau is a likely guy to be included in a deal. More so than Bailey.

by dose on Jul 22, 2011 9:57 AM EDT reply actions  

I think Comeau would be a more welcomed addition

…from the fans of the new team. A much easier sell than Bailey. “Look, this guy scored 24 goals last season” vs. “This guy was drafted 9th overall three years ago and is struggling to play at an NHL level.” (You know it won’t take fans long to figure out he played some AHL games.) Personally, I would value Bailey a little higher right now because I still think Bailey has a good shot to be a 2nd line center. But if either player (or Parenteau) can be a major piece of a package for an under-30 physically solid top-4 defenseman, it’s an easy decision, IMO.

by North Dakota Red Eagle on Jul 22, 2011 10:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

I agree ...

with everything you said.
I still have faith that Bailey will reach his two-way potential while Comeau frustrates me because I think he cruises too much and actually underachieves despite 24 goals.
And a tough, defense-first D-man who’s still young is the proverbial ‘just what the doctor ordered’ for this team right now.
But does Comeau’s August 4 hearing, or Bailey’s, figure at all into any possible trade the GM may be considering ?

by dose on Jul 22, 2011 10:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

Procedurally no

But like JP said, a team’s more likely to want to know the numbers they’re acquiring. If the spread between team and player asking price is wide, that could be problematic.

For reference, Wisniewski was dealt hours after his arbitration award last summer.

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by Dominik on Jul 22, 2011 11:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

Bailey vrs. Comeau and realistic expectations

I don’t see him ever reaching his two-way potential, really the numbers suggest that he is not a great defensive forward and he has never been able to produce consistently. I try to remain optimistic but I also think that it would make sense to trade him while he still has some value. Comeau, on the other hand, has really shattered the most optimistic expectations placed on him before he broke in full time to the NHL. His numbers in juniors or the AHL don’t suggest a 20 goal scorer, so it always boggles me when I see fans say that he has ‘underachieved’. The most goals he’s ever scored in the OHL was 24 (as an 18 year old to boot) and he scored 12 goals in his only full AHL season. These numbers don’t typically suggest a guy is going to score 20+ at the NHL level. Compare Comeau’s numbers from his draft year in the OHL to Bailey’s. And so far Bailey’s offense haven’t justified a second line center role and his defense doesn’t justify a third line center role so he either has to start scoring or start playing better defense.

by MatthewM11 on Jul 22, 2011 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think that's a good comparision

Both were drafted highly and profiled to be similar players. Both struggled out of the gate. I think given the difference in goals per game leage-wide from the time of Merrick compared to Bailey’s time that their early production is pretty similar. Merrick had some good years but never really broke out as a first line center. He had a good year in STL as a second line center as well as some pretty good years with California/Cleveland, although you’d have to imagine he was seeing quite a bit of icetime and PP time then. Overall I see Merrick as a guy who’s not quite an ideal second line center and not quite and ideal 3rd line center (although to be fair I was really young when he played for NY and I can’t really speak for his defensive skill) and that is where I think Bailey is ultimately heading.

by MatthewM11 on Jul 22, 2011 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Interesting

The only small counterpoint I’d offer is that young forwards seldom excel at the defensive side. I think we have a clearer picture of his offensive limitations than his defensive ones. He could end up being Malhotra’d away.

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by Dominik on Jul 22, 2011 5:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

The reason ...

I think Comeau underachieves is that he’s big, he’s strong, he’s skates real well, he has lots of offensive skill, and he the ability to be a solid checker, yet he dissappears for shifts, periods, even games at a time. To me, that spells a guy who doesn’t play hard all the time. As opposed to a guy like Okposo, who doesn’t appear to have Comeau’s talent but looks like he puts out max effort every shift. When I last payed attention to the Knicks, I thought if Alan Houston played as hard as John Starks, he would have been a much better player. Similarly, I think if Comeau played as hard as Okposo, he’d have much better numbers than the ones you cite.

by dose on Jul 23, 2011 10:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

I see where you are coming from

Blake does seem streaky and inconsistent, but I don’t think he will ever be more than a 25 goal scorer, which in and of itself is still impressive. Skills doesn’t always equal production, Matt Moulson isn’t the most skilled player in the world and yet he is one of the most productive goal-scorers in the league, while there are guys like Robert Nilsson who have all the skill in the world but can’t seem to translate that to the score sheet. I don’t think it’s simply a matter of one player working harder than another- when the difference between 30 goals and 10 goals can mean millions of dollars I have to believe most NHLers do what they can to score as many goals as possible. I just think that there are so many intangibles- line mates, synergy with your line mates, ice-time, PP time, offensive zone starts, favorable match ups etc, as well as the natural ability to get in scoring position, the strength to fight through checks and the peripheral vision to see what’s going on around you on the ice. These are skills not seen in skill competitions but are vital for being a productive point producer in the NHL

by MatthewM11 on Jul 23, 2011 6:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'd rather trade Bailey than Comeau

and I think at this point Bailey still has more trade value, although that won’t last long.

by MatthewM11 on Jul 22, 2011 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

It depends on the numbers...

No team will trade for him until after his number is decided. Once that works out then a sign and trade is likely. But it is a one year deal and I think Blake goes UFA next season… so you most likely won’t get too much.
Blake is still young enough to make trading him hard on us this year. If he was to score 30 this year maybe people would start appreciating him (probably not). Garth’s best hope is that Rhett tears up the AHL and Comeau has a good 2011(OCT-DEC). Then he can start shopping him for a D while he promotes Rhett.
I’d be more concerned at this point that Garth trades teh right PROSPECT… because the way it looks now there should be soem solid value out there for Kirill, Anders and Brock… we probably should start following the KHL a little closer as well. If Petrov comes over three or all four of those kids could be playing professional hockey (yeah, Lee is gonna finish school) next year.
Personally, I’d try to unload the weakest of those prospects instead of a guy who should be going into his athletic prime, especially if Parentau will only be around this year.
I do expect a big trade, but I would think it will be one of the four forward prospects, Katic or Ness, and a pick for a high salary D who can play 20+mins and 35 points.

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by JPinVA on Jul 22, 2011 11:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

Makes sense to me.

I’m prepared for the GM to give up good prospects (and Comeau too if need be) for the right D-man. That’s how it works, you got to give up quality to get it back. And he does have some decent chips to play, which is a good job by him.

by dose on Jul 22, 2011 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

I don't think we are in a position to give up prospects yet

Coming off of multiple sub .500 seasons and finally having our system restocked since the Milbury debocle, we need to be patient and stay the course. Islander fans always want to get ahead of themselves and start trading away prospects, young NHLers and/or draft picks. We aren’t at that point yet. That’s short-term Milbury-esque thinking. The reason we suck now is that he was always trading away prospects or young players before we were in a position to do so.

by MatthewM11 on Jul 22, 2011 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Milbury go round ended in 2008

Assett management needs to replace expectations management. I’m sure you can see that. We don’t need to give up the farm, but you can trade a prize calf for a prize pig. That’s just good sensible farming. I don’t want to see prospects go for 1-3 year talent spans…that’s what UFAs are for… and we can’t get any UFAs…. so we need to build the base. When you have a ton of bricks, but you need some tiling for the floor and you have no cash… you trade some bricks.
I don’t know what’s going to happen, but I have faith that if we lose a few of these prospects it will be iwth long term gains in mind.
Also… we may need, but we are not NEEDY!

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by JPinVA on Jul 22, 2011 4:03 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

We are still traumitized from the Milbury regime

so the idea of trading prospects gives me panic attacks and post traumatic stress. I get what you are saying, but I still think we should be patient for at least one more season, see what we can do with our young guns and see what we’ve got on the farm. Strome is going backt o Juniors and will rip it apart so we won’t know a lot more about him next year but it will be devolopmentally a huge year for Nino, Kabanov, CDH and others. We will have a better idea of there value. We will also have a better sense of our needs at the NHL level. Defense will still probably be the biggest concern but with Streit coming back and the futher devolopment of A-Mac, Hamonic and Wishart will tell ushow deficient we really are there and whether its vital or not to move an offensive prospect for an established defender.

by MatthewM11 on Jul 22, 2011 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

can't really diagree with you JP

we have a few needs, but as you say are not needy…i am not against making a trade that makes the team better now and in the future, and i have no doubt Snow would do it….what i don’t agree with is the “chicken little’s” running around shouting the sky is falling and we must make a block buster at any cost to turn on media and create a buzz…never worked in the past, Milbury got Isles closer to the playoffs (barely) and further from the cup. If Wang had just fobidden Milbury from trading anyone drafted by Isles, we would have had a contender.

by CanadianIsleslifer on Jul 22, 2011 5:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree

Not yet in that position…I think we will be a year from now. There’s just only so much room for the likelihood of Strome and perhaps another forward prospect making the 2012-13 team next year. No guarantees of course, but there are so many propects now that the odds are it’s just a given that two will pan out next fall, perhaps Strome and Kabanov, or Strome and Lee, or Strome and Cizikas, or Strome and Rakhshani, or Strome and Petrov, etc…

This coming season, I think, will be the last for 2 of our forwards or 2 of our prospects, there’s just no way around it.

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by Bryan2112 on Jul 22, 2011 3:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think there is a price for everybody...

I think I’d give up the rights to petrov and Ness or a 2nd rounder for Subban. That would be comfortable for me.
I might go as high as Kabanov or CDH (we are talking non-NHL prospects) for Subban… and any one of those guys would be on the table for Weber.
The problem with making really bad trades from empty talent pools for 15 years is that it might make you gun shy when the right opportunity comes available.
I’m not sure that’s the case with Snow. I think he knows he has a pretty nice bag of goodies… but of his 5/6 BEST he’ll only really need three or four… and he hasn’t done anything stupid with future picks… and the current NHL talent is tiemd out for a full decade, AT LEAST.
I don’t want him squandering talent for Jovo… or even Pronger… but if you want solid young talent you have to give something up.
I bet there is a price for Subban… and it starts with Nino, Strome or even Kirill. And I’d be willing to part with Kirill from that list, knowing that other two will make him expendable even if he does pan out. Kirill and a first and you don’t have to worry about replacing Streit after next year. If MON gambles that you are giving them another top five pick that might be enough… maybe throw in Ness as a sweetner… (short and sweet..ner).
I’m guessin gthese are the tough conversations that Garth is having right now.

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by JPinVA on Jul 22, 2011 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

True, but

Petrov+Ness+a 2nd rounder for Subban is wishfull thinking IMO. I’ve seen before the proposed concept of piling on B level prospect and mid level picks for elite players. Two B prospects don’t equal one A prospect. Teams are going to be interested in Strome and Nino, not Ness and Petrov. I think that’s the problem. If getting elite players was just a matter of moving prospects on Ness’s level than I would have no problem with it and would be confortable with a trade like that now. For Subban I think a package of an elite level prospect like Strome or Nino plus a B level prospect like Ness plus multiple draft picks likely including at least one first round and you might get Montreal talking. That type of a price is way too steep IMO.

by MatthewM11 on Jul 22, 2011 4:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

My apologies, JP

Re-reading your post I see we were basically saying the same thing- that we could live with something like Petrov, Ness and 2nd round pick for Subban but it would likely take more, starting with Nino or Strome.

I also thing it’s a good point that Garth might be gun shy from pulling the trigger on a deal involving prospects due to mismanagement of the Milbury regime. IMO that’s a good thing, I have been an Islander fan for 25+ years so I can be patient for a few more. let’s not blow our load for a 8th seed playoff seed, please.

by MatthewM11 on Jul 22, 2011 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

i really think the 2nd line center will emerge from within the group of prospects we have

and that leaves a need for a bona fide number one D and a big huge banger on the right side that can fight and skate with the stars…i’ll settle for stop gaps and wait for prospects to develop until i get the right fit…if it is via trade, like JP alluded to, they have to be in the same age projection as the team being built…can’t make blockbuster acquisitions every day, and if your GM is doing this frequently, probably is not a very good GM…

by CanadianIsleslifer on Jul 22, 2011 5:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed

Having a legitmate scoring second line center emerge from this prospect pool would be great. I hope that Strome devoloped into a player that can either play on the wing with Tavares or center his own secondary scoring line depending on the game or situation. If not Strome than someone else, but I really feel that having two elite centers to build around really makes great franchises. Nielsen is a good second line center for now but really profiles more as an ideal third line center on a good team. With the number of good young scoring wings both on the team now and in our system- Moulson, Grabner, Okposo, Parenteau, Comeau, Nino, Kabanov, Petrov…we really should have the necessary firepower to man two good scoring lines and third line capable at both ends.

by MatthewM11 on Jul 22, 2011 5:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nielsen might end up making too much money for that

But it might also play out in our favor: Nielsen could have a slight decline, look more like a true third (vs. second) line center right as his replacement is ready.

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by Dominik on Jul 22, 2011 5:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

To me, a playmaking defensive center in Nielsen's mold

really is your ideal second line center on most teams, even good teams. Really great teams however seem to build around a 1A and 1B type lines in the Yzerman/Fedorov or Crosby/Malkin mold and in that case someone like Nielsen, who is great defensivley and a good offensive player would be a perfect third line center who can move up to center one of the top two lines in cases of injury or if you want to play your 1a and 1b center together for more firepower on one line. This concept may no longer be viable in the new cap restricted NHL but its my ideal line contruct paradimn.

by MatthewM11 on Jul 22, 2011 5:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

totally agree...I see Neilson as an ideal 3rd line centre, even if smallish

but if he becomes a consistant 20 goal scorer someday – not out of reach as he was a latel bloomer and i don’t believe he has peaked yet - that will keep opposition from playing him for the pass, and will open up more ice for the pass….can easily see him getting 50-60 assists a year…and as Dom warns, he may become too expensive to be a number 3 centre

by CanadianIsleslifer on Jul 22, 2011 6:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

but then again, maybe Frans emerges as the number 2 centre

and Brock Nelson as the 3rd with Cizikas and Ullstrom as the fourth

by CanadianIsleslifer on Jul 22, 2011 6:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think i'd start by calling LA...offer AMAC and Bailey for Doughty...

and begin from there…yeah i know i’ll have to give more but like any purchase, always start bidding low…AMAC can replace half of Doughty’s offense and his defense…Bailey is a future Wayne Merrick in my view…i’d rather trade for Doughty than sign him to an offer sheet.

by CanadianIsleslifer on Jul 22, 2011 5:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Bailey+A-Mac

and some prospects and picks for Doughty would be worth it IMO. His age, his upside and his current skills make him the most valuable defenseman in the league. In other words he already is one of the best d-men in the league and is only going to get better. I would could put together a package that excludes Nino and Strome and any of our young core NHLers I would be all for. Even giving up one or the other of our two recent top picks (both would make me hesitate) its still something you think long and hard on. Doughty is the type of defenseman that doesn’t come along every year. He can eat lots of minutes and quarterback our entire offense. His play on the point for the PP alone would be worth it weight in prospects. So while I hesistant for any deal involving giving up of prospects, there is a select few I would think about, Doughty being one of them (because do to his age he is essentially a prospect, only without the risk since we already know what he can do at the NHL level)

by MatthewM11 on Jul 22, 2011 5:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

been thinking about this awhile...and what it would take

LA is a now team, so i think they will have no interest at all in prospects and draft picks, even less interest in draft picks…

LA will match any offer and either make room for Doughty or trade him…

Also, LA will definately want at least one proven D man back, that to me means AMAC would have to be in trade to make it even start….

NYI have the low salaries and the bodies to trade to get LA to the cup and keep them under the cap…plus, a trade would mean negiotating with Doughty…that means, we should be able to get him without offering 8.5 mil a year….

by CanadianIsleslifer on Jul 22, 2011 6:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't think that's why ...

the team sucks, or has sucked for years.
The choices they made have sucked, and they haven’t spent the dough on a lot of talent. You can argue about why that is, but that’s why the team has sucked.

by dose on Jul 23, 2011 10:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

Disagree

Look at the dynasty era Islanders. how was that team built? look at any good team. They are built through the draft. Good drafting and patience in letting those picks develop has been the proven formula time and time again in good NHL franchises, and is especially invaluable for a team like the isles who have trouble attracting free agents. You know who overspends on free agents and doesn’t draft prudently? The rangers. How has that worked out for them? You put all your eggs in one basket by depleting your farm system and maxing out your cap space by spending on a few big name UFAs and RFAs and if one or two get injured or prematurely decline your f—ked. Chris Drury, Scott Gomez in MTL, Kovalchuk…trading and/or signing big name guys seems like a good idea until you consider that you can get similar production from younger cost controlled players much of the time, as is certainly the case with those three.

by MatthewM11 on Jul 23, 2011 6:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

i disagree

I don’t think that’s why … the team sucks, or has sucked for years.
The choices they made have sucked, and they haven’t spent the dough on a lot of talent. You can argue about why that is, but that’s why the team has sucked.
by dose on Jul 23, 2011 7:24 AM PDT up reply actions

by dose on Jul 23, 2011 10:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

BTW

If this is about trading Comeau and some prospects for Doughty that ain’t gonna happen- do to his age, skill and upside he is one guy I could live with giving up prospects for (and remember we would likely have to include both Strome and Nino) but this very rarely makes sense. I wouldn’t do it for almost any other player in the league. You are giving up prospects with elite upside for a player who could get injured or underperform. Look at Yashin. We gave up a guy (Chara) who went on to be the best defenseman in the league. A deal would also include picks and that could really handicap us, look at Toronto. Is Kessel really worth those very high 1st round picks? Boston is not only a great team now but are set for years.

by MatthewM11 on Jul 23, 2011 6:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

FYI, Comeau won't be a UFA next summer

He’ll still need one more year after this … unless the next CBA ordains new freedoms.

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by Dominik on Jul 22, 2011 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thanks

I wasn’t sure if it was based on him being 27, or the number of years he was a pro. Is the arbitration number for this year only, or is it for both remaining years? I assume the club can walk away from it and grant him UFA (which would be pretty stupid unless it was over $4M)
Wow… what a great way for the NHL to fist f*** the Isles. Set the number to $5M which woudl be a little silly for Comeau, so the Isels let him walk and he signs with another team in the division for $2M.
I really hate being a fan of the hated… too many of these potholes to navigate under my tinfoil hat!

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by JPinVA on Jul 22, 2011 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Term depends on who was brought to arbitration

Since Comeau brought them to arbitration, they get to decide whether it should be for one year or two (seems like clubs usually select one).

As for walk-away rights:

If a Club has elected to arbitrate a one-year SPC, and the award issued is for $1,042,173 [2006 rate…this has gone up w/ average salary since] or more per annum, then the Club may, within forty-eight (48) hours after the award of the Salary Arbitrator is issued (or, if a Club has any other Player still eligible for salary arbitration at that time and for whom a decision has not been rendered by a Salary Arbitrator at that time, and the Club still has a walk-away right available to it) … [walk away]

I’m not certain how much the average salary has gone up since 2006, but even if it went up 50% we’d still be talking around $1.6 million, which is surely under what Comeau will draw.

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by Dominik on Jul 22, 2011 1:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hunter and the 4th Line

The question this signing asks is what is the status of HUNTER. Has anyone heard anything about his rehabilitation and whether he will be ready for the coming season. I wonder if Snow knows something we don’t.

Could Snow think he will have Martin/Haley, Reasoner and Hunter/Wallace on his fourth line? Haley, Reasoner and Wallace would be interesting as they would be high energy linemates getting on their opponents nerves.

I also wonder if this is beginning of a major move by Snow.

by TheMagus on Jul 22, 2011 10:52 AM EDT reply actions  

I'm actually surprised how much people are reading into this one

I see him as just an AHL signing with emergency service capability, nothing more. The Hunter question is a good one, maybe he’s more insurance there; but they need to build insurance each year with players like this, so I don’t see this as particularly significant.

One thing that’s interesting is his AHL salary is $105,000, which is sort of a max AHL salary (if you make more than that, you require re-entry waivers every time you are recalled). File that in the “we really wanted him” category.

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by Dominik on Jul 22, 2011 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

$105K makes it pretty interesting indeed...

In Michael Fornabaio’s chat last week (from your link) I saw they were discussing this very thing. That the Tigers might go for a high-end AHLer to help with general state of the team. This is the salary range they discussed, and I believe MF said that they most likely wouldn’t do it.
As I was reading the transcript more experienced AAAA players came to mind like Brett Sterling… and what ever happend to Trevor Smith. (Answered my own question… I love the internet)
2008-09 Bridgeport Sound Tigers AHL 76 30 32 62 40 2 5 1 3 4 0
2008-09 New York Islanders NHL 7 1 0 1 0 3 - - - - -
2009-10 Bridgeport Sound Tigers AHL 77 21 26 47 73 5 5 1 2 3 2
2010-11 Syracuse Crunch AHL 35 12 15 27 16 7 - - - - -
2010-11 Springfield Falcons AHL 33 8 8 16 10 20 - - - - -
                                                              NHL Totals 7 1 0 1 0

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by JPinVA on Jul 22, 2011 12:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Was thinking the same thing

Good sign, I guess, that they bucked up? I’ve always felt it wouldn’t take much investment to get a few more quality AHL vets to help BPT.

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by Dominik on Jul 22, 2011 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

I sometimes wonder too

going back to Bull Durham (we’ve done that a lot lately, no?) whether these guys can be really useful for the young guys in not just teaching them about the pro game, but also as a subtle motivator-you don’t want to be this guy stuck in the minors for 10 years (not that Wallace fits that bill per se, but generally speaking).

by afrosupreme on Jul 22, 2011 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

I thought being sent down to the minors was what Jon Sim was teaching.

Work hard and never stop working because it is even harder to go to the AHL after you’ve spent ten years at the NHL level. In Sim’s case I don’t believe it was a work ethic thing, but there is alwayssomeone coming along trying to take you job thing.

If you are an AHL kid and see Jon Sim tear it up at the AHL level you realize you have a lot of work cut out for you. You see a guy that has been traveling first class and is just as readily riding the bus. As an AHL newbie you better make sure you’re comitted to what you’re doing.

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by Hockey1919 on Jul 22, 2011 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

DP is a better example to follow...

Get a rehab stint in the minors, suck balls and get promoted.
Lesson: Babysit the owners’ kids, get him drunk one night and have him sign you for the next 15 years and you really never have to worry about riding the bus again. You can run over his cat with the Zamboni and you’re gonna be on that NHL Roster forever…whether anybody likes it or not.

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by JPinVA on Jul 22, 2011 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

or wear a turtle neck to the owners box and introduce him to your cougar ex- super model.

That’s worth 10 years and NO rehab involved!

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by Hockey1919 on Jul 22, 2011 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah...

plus you get to “double dip” in your home country. Yashin may have been a lot of things, but he was never stupid.

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by JPinVA on Jul 22, 2011 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

on another note: it would also be good for NHL

Jagr, Nabokov, now Yashin….looking like KHL is a bust league and will not be competition for NHL

by CanadianIsleslifer on Jul 22, 2011 6:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Or what if it's the other way

What if it’s read as: “Haha, see our aging discards can still play a regular shift in the NHL.”?

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by Dominik on Jul 23, 2011 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Plus annual rebound flirtation in your late 30s!

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by Dominik on Jul 22, 2011 5:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hunter

as much as Hunter was a good soldier, I honestly see him at this stage as a none factor.

by CanadianIsleslifer on Jul 22, 2011 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

You might be right...

but think how great it would be to have a 2006-07 Trent Hunter… even for 50 games. That is a nice pool of RW’s there at the middle/bottom six disposal.
Kyle, PA, Nino(LH), Trent, Haley, Rhett, Wallace…and maybe we gett a little Skinner-esque performance by Strome at camp… though I hope that doesn’t happen and he gets to play big fish in a smaller pond. Though he did already have his DOMINANT year in juniors. There are a few 9 game candidates this year… but I’d still like to have Hunter around… that’s a nice shot to have and he always plays physical if not psychical.

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