Islanders Bits: Benchmarking the next Comeau, Bailey contracts
As arbitration season begins, we're starting to see contracts come in that hint at what the ballpark will be for Blake Comeau and Josh Bailey. When considering these two players and their likely deals, it's important to remember that Comeau is arbitration-eligible (and has elected for arbitration) while Bailey is coming off his three-year ELC and was not eligible for arbitration. Those are different levels of leverage -- and of course Comeau is coming off a 24-goal season.
The following players are all different of course, but this gives you an idea of the money and term range for some young players whose value is still uncertain and quite debatable.
Coming off ELCs: For players in similar situations to Bailey, we've seen: Brandon Sutter, 22, get a three-year, $6.2 million deal with a $2.07 million cap hit from the Hurricanes.
Arbitration-bound: For players in similar situations to Comeau, we've seen: Andrew Cogliano, 24, avoid arbitration to receive a three-year deal with a $2.39 million cap hit from the Ducks after the Oilers bailed on him; Blake Wheeler, 24, receive a two-year deal with a $2.55 million cap hit to avoid arbitration. Teddy Purcell also signed for two years to avoid arbitration this morning with the Lightning, figures pending [Update: 2 years, $4.725 million].
At another level above these guys are the arbitration-bound cases of Rangers Brandon Dubinsky and Ryan Callahan, who are seen as better than this group and are generally expected to receive higher dollars whether or not they make it to arbitration.
Islanders Links
- Matt Martin's turn: Road to the Coliseum: Matt Martin - New York Islanders - News
- Arena talk now... What do you make of Newsday's coverage? NY Islanders 7th Woman: Arena Things that Made Me Go Hmmmmm...
- ...and some numbers: Let There Be Light(house): Updated Numbers, Criticisms, and a Big Retraction (Al Gore Weeps)
- ... and an argument I've heard quite a lot from young Long Islanders, very well presented by Kevin Schultz at IPB. I'm a carpetbagger, so I can only watch from afar and feel bad.
- Skates On a Plane, summer-style: An Offseason Post (Finally)! [Skates On A Plane]
- Pro Hockey Talk takes a look at Garth Snow's tenure, gets effluvia in comments.
- Icethetics concept: Someone puts black in the NYI uni.
- Oilers fans discuss WTH with the trade for Andy Sutton.
- Archive of Fornabaio's Sound Tigers chat yesterday.
- No! Voice of the Islander Fans: NHL Free Agency: Why the Islanders Should do Everything to get Drew Doughty. (We also have a Doughty thread here, for those who like to gamble.)
Hockey Links
- Since this comes up quite a lot: What the CBA has to say (or not say) about not reaching the lower limit (floor) in the payroll range.
- The verdict is in: Peter DeBoer is a "seemingly good head coach hire." Et tu?
- Stamkos signs for a ton of money and not a lot of years. Puck Daddy here. LHH FanShot discussion here.
- Fantastic cartoon and setup by the one and only Earl Sleek.
- Arctic Ice is not so happy about the Shiefele overdraft, and here's one reason why.
- Heh. 12 Things Anthony Stewart would rather do than pass it to Bulis; a guest post by Anthony Stewart | Vancouver Sun Sports Blogs
- Interesting question: Cullen: Which NHL fighters are the most productive players?
- Devils talk: On Stats, Narratives, and the New Jersey Devils - In Lou We Trust
- Winning! Paradigm Shift? The evolving relationship between outshooting and winning | Edmonton Journal
- I did not find this article helpful, honestly. League's best at doing some of the little things - NHL.com - NHL Insider
- Your daily LOLFlyers: Flyers to pay $1.4 million in overages vs. salary cap next season: What's that mean? - Broad Street Hockey
- Your annual LOLZherdev: Zherdev to KHL?
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Not bleeding money: Buffalo. Sabres over the cap...will need to move players
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Ew @ that uniform concept
I could do without the Islanders coming any closer to being the Mets on Ice, thank you.
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by ilopan on Jul 20, 2011 12:15 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
Terrible. Would be the only Islander sweater I wouldn't own, and I even have a fishstick!
Nassau Coliseum lost a veteran and an original Islander fan. ACC 1918-2011
seconded
I not only own a fishstick, but a traffic cone third. I would not buy that thing in order to burn it.
In fact, all of those concepts were mediocre or worse. Probably the Chicago one was the least awful. And why would anyone want to make the Oilers look like the Penguins? Ugh.
We may be in the box, but you get the penalty.
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NO BLACK JERSEY!!
Absolutely awful. No third jersey is necessary. If this team wins, they’ll start to sell jerseys. But if there is going to be a third, do something with navy, teal, orange and silver like the wave jerseys with the lighthouse.
BTW, I probably would have bought a new white except that I can’t stand those awful RBK jerseys. I’m sticking to my old line, generous cut CCM jerseys. I wonder how many other fans passed on buying a jersey because they hate that stupid new design.
It is both ugly
and heavily RBK-ified.
Lighthouse Hockey: A flute with no holes is not a flute. A Dane with no holes is Frans Nielsen.
by Dominik on Jul 20, 2011 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
In a word an Abomination
Nassau Coliseum lost a veteran and an original Islander fan. ACC 1918-2011
by Hockey1919 on Jul 20, 2011 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
stupid.
Its not 1994 anymore. What’s next teal?
by Jones79 on Jul 20, 2011 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I hear eggplant is available.
Lighthouse Hockey: A flute with no holes is not a flute. A Dane with no holes is Frans Nielsen.
Taupe!
We are all Islanders, even if we are in Jersey!
by Russel Ginart on Jul 20, 2011 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Muave.
Nassau Coliseum lost a veteran and an original Islander fan. ACC 1918-2011
Chartreuse
Tragically neglected in NHL uniforms (save for a Blue Jacket accent?).
Lighthouse Hockey: A flute with no holes is not a flute. A Dane with no holes is Frans Nielsen.
How about: Hooker's Green
Go ahead look it up its a real color!
We are all Islanders, even if we are in Jersey!
by Russel Ginart on Jul 20, 2011 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Periwinkle!
We may be in the box, but you get the penalty.
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Mustards been used.
Nassau Coliseum lost a veteran and an original Islander fan. ACC 1918-2011
I like my Bob Ross colors
A little phthalo green
Burnt umber
NY Islanders, just one irrational free agent signing away from contention!
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by Keith Quinn on Jul 20, 2011 7:53 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
LOL!!!!!!!!!
Dont forget yellow ochre!
Let Us Go, Islanders! (Ever notice how strange that sounds without the contraction?)
by TheMetalChick on Jul 20, 2011 10:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Those are happy clouds!
We are all Islanders, even if we are in Jersey!
by Russel Ginart on Jul 21, 2011 12:24 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
let's pretend a happy little goalie lives right here
Oh, darn, well… looks like he hurt something. That’s ok, there are no mistakes, just happy accidents.
(Six goalies later)
Well, that’s all the time we have today! Keep playing and God bless.
We may be in the box, but you get the penalty.
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Goodness those were horrible
Don’t even have to look them up, know exactly what they looked like. Why, God, why?
Lighthouse Hockey: A flute with no holes is not a flute. A Dane with no holes is Frans Nielsen.
I don't know what's worse
That jersey or that not-even-close virtual approximation of Matt Moulson.
"It's too bad he lives in the city. He's depriving some small village of a pretty good idiot" - Mike Milbury on Ziggy Palffy's agent Paul Kraus during Palffy's contract holdout in 1998.
You’re thinking of Matt Moulson, that was clearly Matt Coulson
"It don't make you a bad person" - Ron Bennington
by Pauly C on Jul 20, 2011 1:06 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
You're right
I couldn’t clearly see Coulson’s uniform number, 26.5
"It's too bad he lives in the city. He's depriving some small village of a pretty good idiot" - Mike Milbury on Ziggy Palffy's agent Paul Kraus during Palffy's contract holdout in 1998.
Are Isles playing October 31st this season?
A lot of effort for a jersey fit to be worn maybe once a season.
by North Dakota Red Eagle on Jul 20, 2011 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Let's see...lemme click on that Icethetics link...click it...annnnd....

"Seriously that's the last time you guys f#@%ing won?" -RSH (about beating the Penguins in '93)
by Bryan2112 on Jul 20, 2011 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
fitting
That jersey makes me want to jump down a bottomless airshaft.
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Well there's your cap floor solution right there
Sign McCabe for a million or so with a $4 million bonus if he hits 15 goals.
Vote Yes on August 1st.
I think max bonus is $3 mil
And it can’t all be for one thing, I think the max on any “class” of bonus is a half million. AND the signing bonus is limited in terms of percentage of the overall deal. So there’s only so much cap-stuffing a team could do.
It’s a pity how little creativity the league allows in structuring contracts… and all the more curious to consider the skulduggery they wink at.
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Still think there should be a $.5 bonus for the team being under the cap.
Each player has an under the cap bonus that will put the team above the cap if they are ever under.
Nassau Coliseum lost a veteran and an original Islander fan. ACC 1918-2011
What is "Pro Hockey Talk", Alex.
This is where Puck Daddy comments go when they get enough thumbs down votes.
Sweet galloping Jesus its scary. Thanks, Dom!
"It's too bad he lives in the city. He's depriving some small village of a pretty good idiot" - Mike Milbury on Ziggy Palffy's agent Paul Kraus during Palffy's contract holdout in 1998.
Whats Blake Comeau worth? 24 Goals last year!
Cogliano: 11 goals= 3year deal/2.39MIL
Wheeler: 11 goals= 2year deal/ 2.55MIL
Purcell; 17 goals= 2year deal/ ??
Comeau: 24 goals= 2 year deal/ 2.6MIL
As for the concept art regarding the Islanders uniforms with black added? TERRIBLE!!
Black should NOT be used in any part in any Islander uniform, which includes any potential 3rd jersey. As ilopan said: WE ARE NOT THE METS!
We are all Islanders, even if we are in Jersey!
Comeau sure chose the right time to hit 20 goals
Nine goals in March and April — wonder what a difference that made in his bargaining position?
Looks like Purcell’s cap hit is going to be around $2.36M, by the way.
Lighthouse Hockey: A flute with no holes is not a flute. A Dane with no holes is Frans Nielsen.
The only black I'd like to see in uniform is
KO
by 4PeatSake on Jul 20, 2011 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Just want to apologize. The comment is assinine
and by extension, so is author of that comment. It’s really not appropriate. My real point is that black uniforms are useless and beyond passe…..and I’m excited for a healthy KO this season.
Has the poster of that comment been sacked?
Or do those doing the sacking need to be sacked for failing to sack the sack-worthy comment?
Hunter said he was just finishing his check.
by Turgeon1992 on Jul 20, 2011 7:23 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
It's okay, I wasn't offended or anything.
I just did not expect that, is all.
Official choice of Lighthouse Dog #1.
One of those comments that doesn't translate nearly
As well as it sounds in your head and comes out sounding vaguely offensive. I’ve been there so I can sympathize.
by MatthewM11 on Jul 20, 2011 10:15 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Thanks
And don’t worry about it. I thought everybody handled it well. One of those things that can work completely innocently in a comedy club but might look awkward online, where it hangs out there in virtual stone.
It helps when people are regulars, with a comment history, so it’s easier to tell if someone’s trolling or just a regular probing, going for a laugh, maybe stepping over the line. (And the beauty of regulars is we can moderate each other, and rib each other, and check each other when we’re offended or whatever.)
Never in a million years did I picture myself “in charge” of a community like this, but I can’t say enough how much I appreciate how the vast majority of you handle your participation and sort through disputes. I mean, I came from a perspective of just a long-distance fan wanting a place to talk Isles hockey but everyone here has given me so much more. {starts violin…tears}
My biggest fear, or my main motive as moderator, is to keep it from ever looking to the outsider like, “Awww, that place just became like a Yahoo board,” while still encouraging everyone to have fun and be a little saucy. Everybody treads that line so well, I love it.
/Okay, sappy moment over.
Lighthouse Hockey: A flute with no holes is not a flute. A Dane with no holes is Frans Nielsen.
by Dominik on Jul 21, 2011 12:38 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Thought I was gonna start a prison riot
and you were going to have to put the place on lockdown (a la Botta). The fact that the conversation stayed mostly respectible after said assinine comment speaks well to the level of conversation around here….until boobs were brought up.
Its always until boobs are brought up.
Let Us Go, Islanders! (Ever notice how strange that sounds without the contraction?)
by TheMetalChick on Jul 22, 2011 10:16 AM EDT up reply actions
Ya know, it doesn't help...
that it’s a fun word to say, too >;-)
I used to tutor this kid in Franklin Square in Sequential Math II. Whenever he didn’t know the answer he would just look at me, shrug, and with a high inflection (?) blurt out, “Uhh…boobs??” I’d crack up every time.
Boobs. Lol. See, that was fun!
"Seriously that's the last time you guys f#@%ing won?" -RSH (about beating the Penguins in '93)
*Looks down*
I think its just a matter of perspective. :)
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by TheMetalChick on Jul 25, 2011 8:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Probably...
But anyway … so, did someone say boobs?
Lighthouse Hockey: A flute with no holes is not a flute. A Dane with no holes is Frans Nielsen.
Don't limit yourself
How about some of the players from this list (besides Kyle), as well as P.K. Subban?
"Seriously that's the last time you guys f#@%ing won?" -RSH (about beating the Penguins in '93)
Well played
Lighthouse Hockey: A flute with no holes is not a flute. A Dane with no holes is Frans Nielsen.
Wow
KO and Emery are ahead of Byfuglien and Chris Stewart. What a difference 17 months makes. (Combination of Byfuglien and Stewart’s good play and KO’s injury.)
by North Dakota Red Eagle on Jul 20, 2011 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions
I know it's not 1975 anymore...
… and you can ice a pretty good all black team if you really tried… but the funniest thing on that link was the title, NHL BLACK HISTORY MONTH…. what is that, about 3 days?
That is not a commentary on racism as much as it is on the choices made by great athletes not to even put a pair of skates on… or spend a couple of hundred bucks a month (where you can’t freeze a pond) for ice time and equipment. Heck, hockey is almost as elitist as GOLF!
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It's not elitist, it's just expensive
So I don’t think that it was about great athletes not choosing to play hockey but rather that it was never a choice for them. And it is not about race but economic class and with the changes in demographics among the middle and upper class we are seeing more and more black hockey players.
Yeah
…I think the expense for ice-time in most parts of the country limits the game to the upper class— the ones with one parent willing/able to get up early in the morning for practices— or carpooling, I suppose. My family wasn’t poor, but not wealthy enough for 3 kids to play ice hockey…. A couple hundred bucks a month X 3 kids X even 6 months = $3600. Perhaps that works for some upper-middle class. (It can be difficult to figure out how to distinguish classes since the majority of the upper class would call themselves “middle class” or “upper middle class”.)
by North Dakota Red Eagle on Jul 20, 2011 6:51 PM EDT up reply actions
EXACTLY
In brooklyn my TOI was about an hour every four years. Hardly enough time to learn how to skate backwards.
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I was always jealous of those Canadian and Northern American
kids who skated on the pond in the backyard, or local river or whatever. I had relatives in Vermont who played pick-up ice-hockey, we could play pick up street hockey on Long Island but your not fast tracked to the NHL because you can fire a tennis ball hard with a mylec stick. One Christmas me and my brother got this cheap backyard contraption, about a 20 foot by ten foot shallow plastic pool that you can fill with water to make your own mini ice-rink. That winter was unseasonably warm and it fell below freezing like three times and never stayed cold enough to freeze our rink. It was put in the garage and was still there 20 years later last I checked. Me and my brother did play in a bad-ass roller hockey league based in queens. We lived in Rockville Centre and if you ever drive down Sunrise Highway you can see the nice roller rink (complete with boards, benches, penalty box, stands) that was our home rink. We were the only team absed in Nassau County and no other town had rinks, we played on school parking lots with chalk lines to approximate the boards. Not as fun when you have "out of bounds but It was still a blast, but again, not something that’s going to get yourself a scholorship to the University of Michigan Hockey program.
When I was young we used to skate and mess around with sticks and a puck
on the back pond behind St. Johns Church in Cold Spring Harbor. It was really the only place that had public access to a pond that would actually freeze over. I think it was the winter of 93 or 94 we had that big blizzard with 3 feet of ice in our yards. Well my ice was turned into skating rink, a very rough rink that sloped down to the street.
But yah, to note, hockey is expensive.
we would also play
roller hockey in the streets, more so pick up games with different blocks.
So our hockey talents were all marginal.
We weren't so lucky on the south shore
Growing up I always saw the North Shore as some untamed wilderness compared to the overcrowded South shore. I can picture some idealic Norman Rockwell-esque scene of kids skating behind the old church wearing those winter hats with the puffy balls on top…The only body of water near me was the Great South Bay
by MatthewM11 on Jul 20, 2011 10:12 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
funny enough
in my last years on Long Island, I spent about 60 percent of my time on the south shore, splitting time between the GSB and Gilgo beach. So much for my poofy hat, I guess I traded it in for some neoprene in the winter and board shorts in the summer.
that's true...
I was gonna put that “elitist” line in the sarcasm font… but I’m lazy!
The whole racial/socio-economic argument depends on who’s flippin the coin. I may not have worded it in the best fashion, but I agree with your point.
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I got what you were saying and was more to speaking to those who make
the lack of minorities in hockey a race issue. What’s funny is that I remember in the mid nineties when they were really trying to push hockey in American Urban Markets, what with those corny Fox broadcasts with glowing pucks and animated robots fighting each other on the promos (not that those two examples point to marketing the urban demographic more than the stupid fox-watching demographic) and the Mighty Ducks movies when really the abilty for more Americans to be able to afford to play hockey did much more to popularize the sport among previously uninterested demographics like blacks, because kids who play hockey grow up into the adults who watch hockey. What worries me now is how the current recession effects hockey down the road because I’d have to imagine fewer families are affording to send there kids to the rink every Saturday morning.
15 years in Baldwin...
…and worked on Sunrise in RVC in the 80’s and 90’s and never once saw anybody using that rink… sad. Thinking of where Rhett and Matt Donovan are from they might say you were geographically and demographically advantaged.
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Used to climb over the fence of that rink all the time
Which is hard to do in rollerblades. It was rarely used, but they did have that traveling Rec league I was in, practise once a week and a game every other weekend for home games. I wonder if it’s still there
by MatthewM11 on Jul 20, 2011 10:02 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
BTW
I’d like to think I was geographically challenged..but I suspect if I grew up in Michigan or Moosejaw I wouldn’t of gotten any closer to my dream of dream of being a star defenseman in the NHL, you could say I was more talent challenged than anything else. Damn, maybe should of played goalie instead.
by MatthewM11 on Jul 20, 2011 10:05 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
zing!
I resemble that remark.
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Expense and Opportunities
I grew up in NYC near where Joey Mullen lived and played.. We are a year apart in age and he enjoyed many headlines in the Chelsea Clinton news when we were growing up. Kids from every race and ethnicity played floor and street hockey when we grew up. None of us could afford ICE hockey and many of us barely could afford street hockey gear.
Mullen grew up poor as I did and most of my friends. Hells Kitchen or Clinton as we called it was a ROUGH place to grow up. A hockey puck for us was a roll of electrical tape.
He wasn’t the only kid drafted from our neighborhoods but was one of the few that managed to stick it out.
As more non-whites are able to enter the middle class they have the options to playing a second tier sport like hockey. That wasn’t the case many, many years ago.
What has also changed is the increasing of mixed race families in traditionally hockey areas like KO and so many young kids today. As that trend continues the demographics of hockey will change, slowly, over time as well.
I also agree that having rinks assessable is also very, very important. As a city kid there was one Ice Skating rink in my community and I certainly couldn’t afford to attend. If I could have skated in a pond then things could have been different.
Well stated
No doubt the under-representation of certain ethnic or social classes in hockey will likely be mitigated in the future by opportunity. Perhaps the techology of artificial ice will help this along (shout out to Trots for trying this in the 80’s).
/goes off on a daydream…..Can’t wait for the day when we see hockey in the slums of Brazil…..and green and yellow sweaters….with names on the backs of jersey that are neither first names nor surnames….and a samba style of play
Joe's Dad getting him ice at the Garden really helped!
and Joe played everywhere in the city, roller in Brooklyn as well. Still recall when he got that Blues jersey instead of the USA in 1980.
…. and Electrical tape is still the best way to practice off-ice.
Nassau Coliseum lost a veteran and an original Islander fan. ACC 1918-2011
I can think of plenty more!!!
Ill take Big Buf, Subban, and lets throw in Iginla for the heck of it!
Damn… that would be really sweet now that Im thinking about it.
Let Us Go, Islanders! (Ever notice how strange that sounds without the contraction?)
by TheMetalChick on Jul 20, 2011 10:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Sweet... like chocolate?
(I’m sorry too far haha)
by sayvillelax94 on Jul 21, 2011 10:25 AM EDT up reply actions
That Cogliano and Wheeler are getting over 2 mil apiece with THOSE numbers is.....
…..absolutely disgusting.
Cogliano was really high
Wheeler maybe not. His role and assignments might be more involved than the scoring figures would indicate.
Keep in mind the average NHL salary now is well over $2 million. If you’re not a veteran desperate for work or a longshot draft pick, you’re gonna get paid.
Lighthouse Hockey: A flute with no holes is not a flute. A Dane with no holes is Frans Nielsen.
Cogliano was really high
Wheeler maybe not. His role and assignments might be more involved than the scoring figures would indicate.
Keep in mind the average NHL salary now is well over $2 million. If you’re not a veteran desperate for work or a longshot draft pick, you’re gonna get paid.
Lighthouse Hockey: A flute with no holes is not a flute. A Dane with no holes is Frans Nielsen.
A comment so important
you had to say it twice.
Also note that we are coming out of the DARKNESS… hopefully. It’s been 15 years of cheap, or really bad contracts. When you find the middle ground and pay for PRODUCTIVE TALENT the numbers are going to be strange for some Islander fans… as this talent pool matures it’s gonna demand CAP MANAGEMENT… and that’s something totally different than managing to get above the floor, which is almost unimportant.
In two or three years $6M for DP and Yashin (yes… 4 more years @ $2M) is going to be 5% of the cap, and maybe over 10% of tthe BUDGET. So far Garth has done well not to add to the chaos created by his owner and predecessor.
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So far ... so far
Crossing my fingers patience and determination continues when the playoffs/winning is so close he can taste it.
The more I think about what Buffalo has done this summer to fly through the cap ceiling, the more I start to think they just went all in on a non-Cup team, spending like a lottery winner.
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Yep
They are a couple of injuries away from a problem…unless the injuries are LTIR. The other thing to consider is that if they do have injuries, their call-ups have to be their cheap players, not their best players.
Unless they make some substantial $ shedding trades. Philly is in the same boat. They almost both have to give up a 1st or 2nd liner to have any flexibility, or they have to give up a few guys and their replacement level guys will be worse and leaving them with high top end low bottom end guys. (like the Devils last year…you figure they would have seen and learned from that)
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by Keith Quinn on Jul 21, 2011 7:38 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I like Kevin Schultz's comparison of this situation to the Packers -
only WISH that Islander management would make more of a concerted effort to engage the fans in such decisions as 3rd jerseys (latest Icethetics attempt to integrate black – hell, make it the BASE color – fails miserably again!) but if the new arena revenue sources are being truthfully portrayed, as with the people of Green Bay, Long Islanders too WILL, in effect, be co-owners of this hockey team…..
Hmm
I am a die hard Packers fan and would love to see the Islanders be owned by Long Islanders. Unfortunately, while I see the comparison Shultz is trying to make, I do not think that simply looking at the revenue sources actually tells the story of the Packers ownership. The situation they set up with shareholders and board members determining the Packers leadership(Mark Murphy) is unique. It will never happen in another sport when any owner is making/losing millions.
Couple of advantages the packers have
Are that a) it’s football-a revenue generating machine and far more popular than hockey in the US. B) they are the only sports franchise in Wisconsin.
In NY, you have eight other team’s locally that you can root for in all the sports AND, many of them with a better recent history than the Isles.
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by Keith Quinn on Jul 21, 2011 7:42 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
He's also right, although not realizing one particular reason WHY, that.....
…..Nassau County and L.I. are but a more acute example of what’s happening all over this nation – and arguably, much of the Western world; to cite that reason would probably alienate a lot of the contributors on this site, but the demands necessary for living there in the last 20-30 years have become so patently absurd they’re no longer the LEAST bit tenable…..put simply, automation and the resulting meritocracy has brought our way of life to the brink of extinction…..
We can peel the onion back many layers
For me, given the times, the economy, the incompetence and almost (already?) broken political system we have at every level, it always feels a little unnerving that this passionate diversion and entertainment entails paying 11-goal scorers upwards of $2.5 million salaries.
So then I think about boobs.
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by Dominik on Jul 20, 2011 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
Lighthouse Hockey: So then I think about boobs.
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In the off season I too think about BOOBS!
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by Russel Ginart on Jul 20, 2011 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions
and I assume during the season it's hockey and boobs?
"It don't make you a bad person" - Ron Bennington
exact-a-mundo
We are all Islanders, even if we are in Jersey!
by Russel Ginart on Jul 20, 2011 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions
that lady in Vancouver during the playoffs
flashing the guys in the penalty box was like a wet dream come true
I'm the only RFA to get a qualifying offer worth less than the year before
by Chris McNally on Jul 20, 2011 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions
DITTO!!!!
We are all Islanders, even if we are in Jersey!
by Russel Ginart on Jul 20, 2011 4:35 PM EDT up reply actions
I originally read that with three Ts and not the D.
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You jest 1919, but I like it!
Night of the Penguin Slaughter game DVD? I will pay ship+hand.
We are all Islanders, even if we are in Jersey!
by Russel Ginart on Jul 20, 2011 5:00 PM EDT up reply actions
once DVD recorder is fixed will copy and make arrangements
Nassau Coliseum lost a veteran and an original Islander fan. ACC 1918-2011
Ill stick to half naked working out in chains commercials, kthanx.
Let Us Go, Islanders! (Ever notice how strange that sounds without the contraction?)
by TheMetalChick on Jul 20, 2011 10:40 PM EDT up reply actions
To be honest
I’m more of a leg man (disclosure: Mrs. Lighthouse is fully aware), but I appreciate all attributes of the … we’re talking about chicken, right?
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I'd go wing.
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Boobs and Rumps
Nothing beats a nicely shaped rump in my book!
We are all Islanders, even if we are in Jersey!
by Russel Ginart on Jul 20, 2011 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Stupid overlapping levels of government and bureaucracy
More time and money wasted in committees for people who have no clue to develop a shitty clue and ruin something. You wonder how much money is spent annually on putting Kate Murray’s name on every goddamn piece of public property in the town of Hepmstead. Literally, that budget has to be a half million dollars.
In the immortal words of Lewis Black, " Republican “I have a bad idea”, Democrat, “and I can make it shittier”.
Also, boobs
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by Keith Quinn on Jul 20, 2011 8:02 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Sorry, politics done!
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by Keith Quinn on Jul 20, 2011 8:03 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
All I saw was “boobs.”
Lighthouse Hockey: A flute with no holes is not a flute. A Dane with no holes is Frans Nielsen.
How much do you want to bet
That “boobs” is now one of our top search terms of the last 3 days?
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by Keith Quinn on Jul 21, 2011 7:44 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Also, I have some beauties saved
For the next time you feel a search term post coming.
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by Keith Quinn on Jul 21, 2011 7:44 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Sweet
It’s summer, so…whenever!
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It's not just LI
I think all of NYS is pretty screwed up. There’s a lot to love about it, don’t get me wrong, but I look at the politics and I just don’t need that crap. Will Cuomo succeed in making it better? Can anyone make it better?
Nowhere is perfect, but every time I get a little nostalgic, I remember this, and I’m happier where I am.
NO question - it's everywhere, here in western MA too.....and retrieving the values.....
….that allowed us to have those lives is going to be a daunting task…..
What' Josh bailey's 11 goals worth?
Brandon Sutter; 14 goals= 3year deal 6.2MIL (2.07 cap hit)
Josh in no should get anywhere near this figure.
What he gets? MAX 2 year deal @ MAX 1.2MIL @ year.
We are all Islanders, even if we are in Jersey!
But it was 11 goals over fewer games.
Over 82 games it’s about 13. And he’s more of an assist guy than Sutter. Really I would expect a deal very close to Sutters. We have the cap room anyway…no reason to be cheap.
Vote Yes on August 1st.
Sutter plays like a Sutter...
Bailey has been playing like a Bailey.

Mr Snow, you’re just a warped, frustrated old GM.
Hopefully he puts up 15G+ and a nice 45 pt season while advancing the third line productivity as a whole. Then we’ll all have a wonderful life.
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by JPinVA on Jul 20, 2011 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
Amen. And Bailey isn't close to the defensive player Brent Sutter is right now. Not close.
1.5mil/yr max for Bailey.
Ha, yeah Brent Sutter's skills have declined a bit
Heart’s still there, but the legs just can’t keep up.
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I don't know, I might like to see having old Brent run out for a game or two in place of Bailey
Hey, in his prime he was the ideal 2nd line center.
OZZY you are generous with Bails.
1.5 MIL @ year? I offerd 1.2 MIL @ year.
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by Russel Ginart on Jul 20, 2011 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions
the thing about Bailey...
… is that he shows flashes. Like when a young man’s voice starts to crack. If he matures NHL-wise to the playetr/leader he became in juniors, then we are gonna have a shit load of SPECIAL on our hands. I refuse to give up on his potential, and if nobody else gives up on him I can see him being the second line force that all Islander fans will agree should be captain.
Don’t forget that he was ROBBED of being the go to guy on a very good Windsor team that he led through a great tragedy. That, above anything else, makes me feel that his NHL experience has been somewhat muddled by bad choices by folks that just didn’t know better. Not saying that anybody did… or pointing fingers, just saying that in hindsight the worst has played out… and the worst ain’t THAT BAD. I’d still take Bailey in the whole scheme of the 2008 draft bonus bonanza. Just be patient with him… that’s all.
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Don't forget to vote "YES" on Aug 1st!!!
By the way...
what did you eventual spend uncle billy’s money on?
May I also assume that you’d like to turn Uniondale into POTTERVILLE?
AP= Aloysius Potter.. great great grandson of Henry F. Potter
77= Was your score on your Ethics final…. just enough to pass and get your degree in BASHOLOGY!
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Still a lot to prove
Bailey may get there. He does show flashes. Remember his assist from behind the goal, no-look backhand to Comeau early on last season? Not many players can (1) think of that play and (2) put it right on the tape.
by North Dakota Red Eagle on Jul 20, 2011 6:53 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
nice
I like AP77 sitting over on the left, there.
We may be in the box, but you get the penalty.
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He he....Every time Bails lights the lamp/rings the bell/gets Live is Life song going
an angel gets its wings
Pro Hockey Talk takes a look at Garth Snow’s tenure, gets effluvia in comments.
Heh. You have such a way with words.
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by Niesy on Jul 20, 2011 1:59 PM EDT reply actions 3 recs
I don't know what to say
So I’m just going to be really vain and rec this.
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That post on IPB really hit home for me
The Kate Murray quote; Trying to stay on LI as a guy in his late 20s; trying to make ends meet while affording a house with ridiculous taxes.
I’d probably have to move it the Coliseum isn’t built. It’s more than just b/c the Isles will leave. It’s b/c the place where I grew up has decided they wanted to become irrelevant just to push a political agenda. Why do I want to give my hard-earned money to these people?
"It don't make you a bad person" - Ron Bennington
"suburban character"
Yeah, perfect occasion to recall that Murray quote. As if suburbs can exist in an eternal vacuum, as if growing populations can continue to sprawl urban centers in perpetuity and maintain that elusive “just close enough to the city but quiet enough to feel unthreatened” balance without ever adapting. That exclusive enclave mentality while the world outside changes and adapts by force.
I don’t know what the best answer for Nassau is and it’s not my place or qualification to say, but she’s struck me as one who has ignored 30 years of development/renewal research and thought.
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She has been misquoted, she said "Sub-Urban", meaning less than urban.
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by Hockey1919 on Jul 20, 2011 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
I thought she just stuttered
and was trying to urge Garth to go out and get P.K. Subban
I'm the only RFA to get a qualifying offer worth less than the year before
by Chris McNally on Jul 20, 2011 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
4 things
1 – Bailey …. he just isn’t worth $2M+ a year, is he? makes one wonder if he will be moved via trade somehow – problem is most of the teams we might trade with (Buffalo) are looking to lose salary – this is a tough one
2 – Comeau – he isn’t worth more than $2M a year either – he needs to take a COZO deduction…
3 – the fuure of Long Island – well, I grew up an Islander Season Ticket holder – which went a long way keeping me happy in the 70’s – eventually moved up here to CT – I’d say priority 1 for the Island is keep the team here, with a new stadium….
4 – PK Subban – would do whatever we can to get him, but it ain’t happening – he is a great catalyst – watch for the Habs to be very good next year
Sabres fan here
I think the Sabres may be willing to take Bailey if they could also lose one of their Dmen. I’m pretty sure that Shaone Morrisonn is actively on the trade block. They just signed Sekera, but it could be a sign and move type of situation. The Sabres have a ton of defensemen. The only ones I’d think were completely safe are Myers, Regehr, Ehrhoff and possibly Leopold.
I have a bias against anyone who spells their name "Shaone"
But I come from a country where vowels are at a premium.
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There are lots of good young defensemen
You’re not allowed to have Gragnani though. Because I said so.
Any interest
in seeing Campoli coming back to the Isles?
None, as a matter of fact
Less than none. There’s a significant chance that, out of protest, I will use every Campoli shift of the season to refresh my beverage and relieve my bladder. Also, I may construct a strongly worded article.
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by Keith Quinn on Jul 20, 2011 8:10 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Keith, just empty your bladder on Campoli!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
In loving memory;Dad thanks for making us Islanders fans, ACC 1918-2011
I'm not going to jail for Campoli
I cant wait though. Mark my words, that jackass will end up in the KHL.
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by Keith Quinn on Jul 20, 2011 8:15 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
In this spirit
I would support signing him just to scratch him.
It’s funny, I really don’t dislike him this much — or at least maybe I shouldn’t — but I just frown so much on players with a view of themselves that is so out of whack with reality. I mean, that Chicago comes out sand says, “Really, whatever you get in arbitration, we already know it’s not worth it. Be gone.” is just so freaking rich.
Lighthouse Hockey: A flute with no holes is not a flute. A Dane with no holes is Frans Nielsen.
My hate-admittedly irrational
Feel the same way you do. But also, I never felt he was good at all. Nor did I believe in his potential. But so far, that makes me a savvy GM!
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by Keith Quinn on Jul 21, 2011 7:47 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I'll take
Things that only exist in chris Campoli’s mind for 200 Alex.
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by Keith Quinn on Jul 20, 2011 11:07 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 2 recs
Seriously, what did that guy do to get such a big head?
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by Fabtraption on Jul 21, 2011 11:11 AM EDT up reply actions
He's worse than our 3rd pairing possibilities
Or at least the has less upside than the guys waiting to surpass him from BPT
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by Keith Quinn on Jul 20, 2011 11:08 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Only if he can make...
correct change for a twenty (which won’t be much) when I buy a beer from him.
“Hey, aren’t you Chris Campoli”
“You’re not Keith Quinn…?”
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by JPinVA on Jul 20, 2011 9:16 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Loved Campy...
But he asked to be traded, and now he has to live with it.
And Im sure he regrets it, actually…. look at the quality ice time he would have gotten with this team last season.
Let Us Go, Islanders! (Ever notice how strange that sounds without the contraction?)
by TheMetalChick on Jul 20, 2011 10:43 PM EDT up reply actions
About as much interest as having Yashin or Matt "douhe" Cooke coming to the Isles
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Trade idea
I do think Bailey will develop into a good NHLer, maybe he has more trade value right now. The Isles need a top pair Dman and are also looking to get above the cap floor.
Bailey, Wishart, 2012 2nd round pick to Nashville for Shea Weber
Weber is an RFA that Nashville is having a hard time coming to terms with. Hes 25 just coming into his prime. 6’4" 230 big offensive Dman, who also wears the “C”. I think Weber would be easier to get than Doughty IMO
I would love that
However, if Garth offered that to David Poile, Poile just might crack up hahaha wishful thinking but that 100% wouldn’t be accepted.
by sayvillelax94 on Jul 20, 2011 8:57 PM EDT up reply actions
We're not getting Weber
and any discussions for Weber starts with one of KO/Strome/Nino.
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eBay response
RESERVE NOT MET
Poile response: Garth, have you been scouting in Amsterdam again?
Better chance offering Okposo, deHaan and a first… or maybe two… and the only way that works is if budget constraints keep them from meeting the arbitraton number long term….and we might have the same issue… not even worth talking about.
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by JPinVA on Jul 20, 2011 9:10 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Bailey, Wishart, and a 2
That might not even be enough for Ryan Suter, much less Shea Weber. I don’t see the Preds losing either Weber or Suter, they’re not easily-replaceable and they are absolutely key to the team.
We may be in the box, but you get the penalty.
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If you're not in the mood to be angry
Don’t read the comments in the Pro Hockey Talk article. It absolutely baffles me how many ignorant fans have no clue what they’re saying when discussing the Islanders and Snow. They’re making it seem like Nabokov’s the victim… “aww they took away his chance to steal a Cup, Snow’s immature, blah blah.”
Those are the kind of people who don’t even deserve to live indoors, let alone discuss hockey.
by sayvillelax94 on Jul 20, 2011 9:11 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Idiots don't deserve plumbing
May their abodes reek of fetid waste.
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by Keith Quinn on Jul 20, 2011 9:44 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
There is something like 2% difference in DNA between chimps and humans.
One swings from trees and the others have air conditioning. How I envy those air conditioned apes!
Nassau Coliseum lost a veteran and an original Islander fan. ACC 1918-2011
When talking about the Islanders
You can always tell who gets their info from the main stream media
Idiots.
Its fine when any other player is taken off waivers by any other team, but when this schmuck is taken and its by the Islanders, then hoo boy thats just wrong.
Let Us Go, Islanders! (Ever notice how strange that sounds without the contraction?)
by TheMetalChick on Jul 20, 2011 10:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Idiots?
I really wish that Snow tried to trade him(if we actually could, i don’t know the rules and am too damn tired too look them up) to Detroit now that Osgood has retired. It would be such a kick in there ass. All those Detroit schmucks(sorry to steal that one from you MetalChick, but I just love using the word) really could not say anything based on how dispicable Snow was for claiming him, how much they needed him(turns out they probably did). They could have their ace, #1 goalie at the price of top three to four D-man(pure fantasy on his worth here mind you), now. Besides I will take any of the Isles top 4 GT’s, healthy, over Nabakov anyway.
by St. Dick on Jul 21, 2011 12:17 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Isles can trade him now, as long as he agrees with the team (NTC)
Detroit signing Conklin puts a damper on Detroit being interested, though- I dont see it happening.
I dont know which cap-strapped team even needs a goalie anymore. Nabokov is a total question mark at this point.
Let Us Go, Islanders! (Ever notice how strange that sounds without the contraction?)
by TheMetalChick on Jul 21, 2011 9:18 AM EDT up reply actions
Florida could use a goalie because Theodore and Clemmensen won't get the job done most likely
The unfortunate thing is they don’t have much worth in trade chips.
by sayvillelax94 on Jul 21, 2011 10:30 AM EDT up reply actions
Would Nabokov waive his clause to go there?
I dont know about that.
Let Us Go, Islanders! (Ever notice how strange that sounds without the contraction?)
by TheMetalChick on Jul 21, 2011 10:35 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, that's also true
Nabokov for Subban?! :)
by sayvillelax94 on Jul 21, 2011 11:08 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, this is what I am talking about!!!
Why would Nabakov have a no trade clause with the Islanders? Or at least waive it He never wanted to be here and we don’t want him.
because he may like Winnipeg less.
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by Hockey1919 on Jul 21, 2011 4:53 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Berg...en...heim?
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by Fabtraption on Jul 21, 2011 11:14 AM EDT up reply actions
Nobody shat on the Blue Jackets when they took Dubie
so the Isles should not have been getting shit when Nabokov was taken.
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by Fabtraption on Jul 21, 2011 11:13 AM EDT up reply actions
As a Wings fan
I never quite got the hate aimed at Snow for “stealing” Nabokov.
The rule that’s in place to prevent players from taking a European vacation until it’s time to come back to the big boy’s club and make a cup run is an excellent rule. Garth Snow took advantage of an excellent rule and I still consider that a very smart move on the part of an NHL GM. He got something for nothing.
If the situations were reversed and Ken Holland passed up on an opportunity like that, I’d have been mad at him.
by J.J. from Kansas on Jul 21, 2011 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Thanks!
It actually happened to us when Columbus picked up Dubliewicz who we had signed. It’s part of the process (not that I wasn’t annoyed about losing out on a goalie, but it never entered my mind that the Jackets or their GM were discgraceful by any means).
I like the rule too.
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by Keith Quinn on Jul 21, 2011 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
And lets not forget
were were hard booting Goalie v 1.7 at the time.
That was what really got me
It’s like, okay, if you’re pissing on the Isles for actually doing something about the downward injury catastrophe in goal, then you just like to piss on them, period.
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JJ frequently posts on Kuklas Korner and is always a rationale read.
Nassau Coliseum lost a veteran and an original Islander fan. ACC 1918-2011
Hey now
Don’t give them overblown expectations about how rational I am.
by J.J. from Kansas on Jul 21, 2011 5:03 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Red Wings Steal Devellano, Snow retaliates by taking Nabakov!
… a new 30 year war that we just became aware of. Let’s just agree we really dislike Pens fans.
Nassau Coliseum lost a veteran and an original Islander fan. ACC 1918-2011
And now he's completed the junta at Winging It in Motown, too
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Aug. 1st.
Honestly I don’t think enough people are concerned about the vote as much as I am.
I know a lot of the people contributing here are not from Nassau or Long Island for that matter.
But we could all contribute heavily to the Newsday’s editorial page and say what we think.
Too many people are hearing and seeing the negative’s on the subject.
I don’t get channel 12 but if I did I would make sure they knew that from my point of view they are dead wrong.
Explain in detail the added expense to the taxpayer as 26 cents a month instead of the ton of money they’d pay without the income from the arena, the employees tax deductions, etc.
Unless this website is viewed by every Long Islander then the chance of our message getting out remains within this group.
I do not live in Nassau, but I think every exit ramp from the parkways should be covered in a Voye Yes flyer big enough to read. Remind the people that there is a vote and what’s at stake.
Get out of the sticks, Charles, move to Queens!! Come, Get some respect a Professional team deserves!!
I still hope
but it is gradually ebbing away.
In all seriousness, this drawn out miserable affair is deserving of a documentary that displays the despicable levels our politics has fallen to. Having a plan that is entirely paid for by the owner get a slow death from one side, then a plan that involves taxpayer money (but not too much following revenue payments) gets attacked by the other. All the while, the media takes a sickeningly myopic view of the whole thing.
I almost want the Isles to move (just out of Nassua) so that the county can suffer from their pathetic political prancing.
"..."
by Thaddeus Ballpheasant on Jul 21, 2011 2:41 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
This is exactly how I feel
Don’t take this the wrong way, Long Island, but if the vote goes NO, you blew it and you don’t deserve this history-rich, history-making, never-say-die-forever-a-dynasty franchise…this franchise has been built with so much dedication and passion, that it belongs in a town that can match that. These politicians are toying with and tossing around an institution that should command a thousand times more respect and be handled with Stanley-Cup-carrying gloves…makes me sick…and as for N-I-M-B-Y…go fuck yourselves, you’re the same high n mighty people who get mad when I park on your side of the street in front of your hideously generic vinyl siding even tho I’m just briefly visiting across the street. I know there are good people in long island, many of them on this blog, but I am so fucking glad I don’t live there anymore.
I will end this rant with the one positive note being that I’m still registered to vote in Nassau and will certainly vote YES cuz, despite my wishing the Isles move to Queens, maybe Long Island will prove me wrong…
"Seriously that's the last time you guys f#@%ing won?" -RSH (about beating the Penguins in '93)
by Bryan2112 on Jul 21, 2011 7:38 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Disagree on LI "deserving it", but for a weird reason
I don’t think anybody has been given enough information to make an informed decision. I have a huge problem with media in general. The media in this country is owned almost entirely by 7 corporations, each with some agenda or another. I believe most people only know what they are told…and the biggest thing they are told is that voting for your (congressman, president, senator) ensures your representation and interest…which is BS.
I there is anything that deserves to happen, it’s that the entire Nassau legislature gets impeached under a vote of no confidence if something doesn’t get done to stimulate this economy. I’m not comfortable with people making driving decisions when I’m on the road with them, I’m certainly not confident with the average Joe deciding the fate of my community 30 years into the future.
People in this country in general need to understand that politicians (just like doctors, lawyers, economists) can be as stupid as the next guy…and it’s up to them to know a well rounded topic pool to be able to hold these people accountable, or be at their mercy.
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by Keith Quinn on Jul 21, 2011 7:57 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I don’t think anybody has been given enough information to make an informed decision.
You cant tie people down and force them to get informed. People make their decisions for the most part based on almost nothing- on BOTH sides- and people are only interested in what supports the opinion they already have, and dismiss whatever doesnt support what a wise decision they have already made.
Its relatively rare when people seek all sides of a story before making a decision.
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by TheMetalChick on Jul 21, 2011 9:14 AM EDT up reply actions
What you say is generally true, but I think in this case what we’re looking at is being a week and a half away from a pretty important vote (for a number of reasons) and the people putting the vote forward have not provided what you would expect them to have, e.g. he full details of the lease. The reporting, propaganda, etc. is all one thing, but a basic level of facts seems lacking here.
it strikes me as being like holding a referendum asking, do you think drugs should be legal without having any specifics of how that would actually work. And since the referendum isn’t binding, I guess in some ways it’s tantamount to that.
What details aren't available?
by DP'sknee(andhipandflubugandotherknee) on Jul 21, 2011 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, I sincerely feel like enough info is now out there
I suppose it has arrived somewhat late in the game, but to me the reason the timeline is so compressed now is because the County and townships have literally dithered the last 15 years away when a workable solution could have been achieved.
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It's just not in one spot at the same time
Yet…and in here is a different story. If you read Newsday only on odd days, you’d have one set of facts…on evens, the other set of facts. That sucks.
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I don't expect to force info on people
But what I would hope is that when they don’t know WTF they are taliking about, they abstain. The sad part of human nature though is often people aren’t sure what they don’t know…which in that case brings me back to the media producing half-assed accounts of things 3 days apart and quoting Joe Mullet the cab driver from Garden City based on his infinite political/economic knowledge of “taxes bad/democrats bad/suburbia good”.
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by Keith Quinn on Jul 21, 2011 12:35 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
I am fine if they move to Brooklyn
only because I live in Brooklyn and it would make getting to hockey games so much easier.
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by Fabtraption on Jul 21, 2011 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions
Would you still be so glib if they moved to Kansas City?
Get out of the sticks, Charles, move to Queens!! Come, Get some respect a Professional team deserves!!
Not at all.
But they’re not moving to Kansas City because there is no way Bettman would take a team outside of the NYC area for a city with only half a million residents. Think about it: the area down by the Atlantic Terminal is seriously redeveloped with a lot of attractions for families (Chuck E. Cheese) and single people (BAM). It also has a major transportation hub that works for both innercity residents and people from Long Island (LIRR stops right at Flatbush Ave.). You also have tremendous opportunities to market the team alongside the New Jersey Nets and any concerts or live events that will be held at the Barclays Center.
Probably most importantly, though, is that the arena is already being built. Wang would not have to deal with the incompetent Long Island politicians. The Islanders can market themselves in a similar way that the Mets do: they’re a New York team that’s great for the whole family, only cheaper. It’s just too brilliant of an idea, it boggles my mind why Wang is trying to stick to this neutered Coliseum deal.
Official choice of Lighthouse Dog #1.
I'm sure this is an idea in his mind
And I bet that if the Coliseum isn’t approved, then he will seriously consider moving the team into Brooklyn. But he’s a Long Island man who loves it here and wants to make his fellow Long Islanders happy. He does a lot of charity work all over the Island, something that often gets forgotten. He’s always trying to help us. I’d prefer the team to stay in Nassau, or even move to Suffolk (out in the open space in Calverton; it’s closer to where I live), but Brooklyn would be way better than Kansas City, or Quebec, or Seattle, or wherever.
by sayvillelax94 on Jul 21, 2011 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Wang is a fellow alumn of Brooklyn Tech HS (like Fat Teddy in DC as well)
So he would not be too distant from the same exact neighborhood he was in when he went to HS. The bigger issue is if the new stadium can accomodate hockey as planned.
PS
We Brooklynites are not on the short Island either.
Nassau Coliseum lost a veteran and an original Islander fan. ACC 1918-2011
I don't know about that...
At one time there were four roller hockey league’s within 20 minutes of Barclay’s Center (John Demic, on 35th street and third ave, Ft Hamilton parkway on 53rd, Shore Road and Kingsbridge) were by the an entire generation grew up loving hockey. I played at Ft, Hamilton for years and they had pee,bantam,juniors and unlimited leagues playing games almost every day. It wouldn’t be a big stretch to revitalize the fan base. I really prefer they stay in Long Island because “that is there home”.
I would probably attend more games in Brooklyn because they would be 5 minutes from were I work, but hour and half from my house(CT). I just feel they DESERVE to be on the Island!!!
PS. Ft Hamilton had the oldest Mullen brother playing there for years as well as some of the best players from the Police/Firemen teams (Beggi).
In loving memory;Dad thanks for making us Islanders fans, ACC 1918-2011
I believe he means the arena isn't built for a hockey rink
only for a basketball court at the moment.
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by Fabtraption on Jul 21, 2011 10:25 PM EDT up reply actions

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