Islanders Bits: Why the cap floor fuss now, exactly?
by Dominik on Jul 14, 2011 12:29 PM EDT
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Update: The Islanders have signed Jeremy Colliton to another one-year, two-way deal.
It's cute that, in the dog days of July, there is much Sturm und Drang about how the Islanders have yet to reach the NHL's fairly public but mysteriously enforced salary floor. The question is ... why?
There are still significant unknowns about their salary commitments in the form of two important restricted free agents (three, if you add Ty Wishart to Josh Bailey and Blake Comeau). Even conservative estimates on those pending contract extensions [CapGeek roster generator, with ballpark numbers from WebBard] would push the Islanders very close.
Meanwhile, think about the time of year: Do the purveyors of widespread panic understand that a bushel of NHLers (and their employers) do not yet know what their salaries will be for 2010-11? That not a single arbitration hearing has been conducted? That the Islanders' most expensive addition last summer, cap hit-wise, was a defenseman acquired just hours after his arbitration award was delivered? That several teams will not know how they stack up against their internal budget until those cases are resolved and subsequent adjustments made?
I mention this not as a pro-Islanders stance, but as a common sense stance (though it is funny how, when you argue for restraint you are an apologist, and when you argue for massive overpayments you just "want to win," or you're Dale Tallon): You don't go aggressively buying when your sellers aren't yet in a position to sell -- and that includes the teams who are pushing the cap ceiling with incomplete rosters who will need to dump some bodies by the end of the summer.
Don't make major life decisions after you've just been dumped by your girlfriend. Don't buy a new car (ever, really) after you just watched a flashy TV ad. And don't go making rash asset purchases when you know more sellers will be available -- and pricing to sell -- later in the summer.
Islanders Links
- Prospect mini-camp is fun, because fans have visions of sugar plums -- or Ryan Strome centering Nino Niederreiter and Kirill Kabanov -- dancing in their heads. Another cool thing is the local natives who get their chance to skate with some future NHLers:
- Syosset Native to Play at Islanders Mini-Camp - NY Patch and Mercyhurst's O'Donoghue at Isles camp - Atlantic Hockey Online
- Strome on Long Island: Strome trying to enjoy his new home - NHL.com
- Donovan looks to the future - New York Islanders
- Islanders' Calvin de Haan aiming for NHL spot - NHL.com
- And a whole lot of general stuff at the team's mini-camp blog.
- To quote Keith on Twitter, this Jeff Tambellini article should have been entirely written in sarcasm font.
- Anders Nilsson and his coaches on adjusting to North American ice. I think they mean it's not covered from circle to circle in ads for chocolates and Saabs.
- Don't get me wrong -- I really wish Nino Niederreiter were Czech, like the Post suggests [as of noon Thursday]. Alas. Says Garth Snow in that article: "I personally don't believe going back to junior will help him on the development side. He's got a big body, hockey sense, he can skate, he's powerful." So, strong like bull. Newsday also does the Nino angle [$5 please] and mobile.
- Blog Box: Gary Harding at Eyes on the Isles talks mini-camp and is looking for additional writers.
Areener
Great three-part FanPost series here from our own DP's([joints...]):
- How to Argue with an Arena Skeptic Part 1 -- The $58 Million Tax Myth
- How to Argue with an Arena Skeptic Part 2 – The $17 Shuttered Coliseum Tax
- How to Argue with an Arena Skeptic Part 3 – Wang Is Paying Most (and May Pay All) of the Arena Costs
- Details of plan for Coliseum are no secret - LIHerald.com
- Newsday does the get them to the polls drill for the Aug. 1 referendum.
- Leading to that referendum, I think this IPB post is directed at Rangers fans who might have a vote.
- Nassau wants Jets back on LI for training [Newsday] But the Jets don't really want to come. (And yes, we're talking about the NFL, not relocating Winnipeg already.)
- NIFA review of Nassau finances due Thursday [Newsday]
- In which the County and NIFA are friends again: Long Island Business News " Nassau to seek more capacity for NIFA
- The Isles are running a Vote Yes Aug. 1 video contest.
General Hockey
Apparently I follow two of the three most difficult teams to root for in the NHL. The methodology is absolute crap, but I can't say I disagree with the preceding statement. As always, I argue that sports fans are at the mercy of their owners, and my teams are still dealing with the sins of owners' past.
The Preds new jerseys: Smashville 24/7: New home jerseys unveiled. I have long argued for a team to be bold enough to return to yellow/gold, so I need to be fine with this. Some of the design touches are cool (guitar strings in the numbers), but I worry they will feel gimmicky pretty quickly. I am someone who used to enjoy the Lightning's old "charge" font on their numbers and nameplates.
Sophomore Slump Candidates? Bangin Panger: Setting Them Up To Fail | Sophmore Slump Candidates. The writer seems to think Michael Grabner is poised to suffer due to pushing from Kyle Okposo and Nino -- no doubt not realizing Okposo and Grabner played on the same line, and Grabner did a whole lot with a little (ice time) already last year. Any good rookie is a candidate to fall back his sophomore year, but...
Finally, I'm sure you were as shocked as I was to hear Chris Pronger has lingering injury issues.
UPDATE: The Hurricanes agreed to terms with 22-year-old center Brandon Sutter on a three-year, $6.2 million deal that will pay $1.5 million next season, $2 million in 2012-13, and $2.7 million in 2013-14. You know, for your Josh Bailey contract watch.
Anders Nilsson
And here's what he looks like -- and sounds like -- with the mask off:
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Oh, Nashville
So close… I think the “guitar string” thing would look better on the socks, not the numbers. And I’d lose the bib piping in front. HATE HATE HATE that look. A contrasting blue yoke with cuff stripes would be so much more of a classic look – and in general, if you innovate on one thing, you should balance it with a traditional feel in the other so it’s not too much to take in. Innovative layout? Traditional fonts and colors. Traditional layout? Then feel free to hit up the bright yellow.
We may be in the box, but you get the penalty.
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A bold attempt.
But I gotta say, I’m not really feeling the Preds new look. As per Prince Humperdink: “I give you full marks for bravery —don’t make yourself a fool.”
by SchneiderDiricov on Jul 14, 2011 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions
The bib piping is awful, and my reason #1A for loathing RBK with every aesthetic fiber of my being
Damn you, clothing brand without vowels. Damn you.
Totally agree the yellow should be balanced with a simple, more traditional look. (Which, ironically, is what they tried by reducing the number of lines in the logo…)
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Don't guitar strings go the other way?
Look like little stripes on the numbers, never would have thought guitar. Same for the pick, could have used an actual guitar like the Blues did with the trumpet. This proves most seconday logos make no sense or just plan suck.
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I 'spect they're picturing a guitar resting upright on its stand
I never liked that Blues trumpet, though the idea was nice. Actually thought their music notes lines was inspired but … oy.
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. but that’s the point a guitar in its stand would have the lines going the length of the "1"s on the uniform, if the "1"s represent the neck of the guitar. The lines all look the same thickness as well, which isn’t how I recall guitat strings being.
The secondary logo plain suck was in reference to the Blues trumpet. I know what they were trying to do, but they were trying too hard. Those Brett Hull era multi blue. yellow, red multi-striped things were something to behold. I alwasy considered the original Blues to be classic and the addition of red an aberation.
Nassau Coliseum lost a veteran and an original Islander fan. ACC 1918-2011
Yeah, I totally forgot what the jerseys looked like when I posted that
When I saw the pictures again today I realized my error.
Glad we’re singing from the same trumpet! It was aggravating, when it happened. Part of that ’90s fad, but I was like “I get this if this is an expansion team without established tradition” (same as the NYI Fishsticks).
There’s a whole back story to the first (mid-‘80s) addition of red, too. Short story: Owner’s wife’s whim. Once again, sports fans: at the mercy of their owners.
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The Grabner Thing
I can’t tell you how many times I’ve seen both bloggers and professional hockey writers display utter ignorance regarding the makeup of the Islanders’ forward lines.
by DP'sknee(andhipandflubugandotherknee) on Jul 14, 2011 12:58 PM EDT reply actions
Yep
And I know it’s hard — hard enough to watch 82 games of your own team, much less 5 of someone else’s. But that’s where a question to an informed fan would help, or a look at some shift charts.
Generally, people take too much of an EA Sports approach to understanding roster and line construction. Or like Moulson’s breakout year: “Well, he had Tavares setting him up for 30 goals.” Ha! He had Tavares going dark for two months of winter!
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Yeah I had to go drop a long post there pointing out how wrong he is.
Vote Yes on August 1st.
That guy's incredibly unintelligent
Not that I’m defending the Rags or Derek Stepan, but the guy said the depth chart ahead of him at center puts him behind Brad Richards and Brandon Dubinksy… except Dubinsky’s a left wing sooo…
Yeah, I’m not too worried about Grabner with that logic.
by sayvillelax94 on Jul 14, 2011 4:59 PM EDT up reply actions
well dubinsky does take a lot of draws
They could make him a full time center if they wanted and he moved to center during the playoffs and it paid off
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by Keith Quinn on Jul 14, 2011 1:10 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Gah, I meant to link all three of those in one post
/scrambles back to the editor
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But, but, but...Everything The Islanders Do (or Don't Do) is Wrong and They Need to Sign Someone Right This Very Second Or Else the Season Is Over LOLMILBURYGARTHSNOWFISHERMANDIPIETROWANG!!11!!One!!
Seriously, reporting on a team’s cap situation in the middle of July is stupid. There are two-and-a-half months to go before the season actually starts. I think they’ll find someone to spend their money on between now and then.
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You know what would clear that up real fast
A 5 yr, 15 million dollar extension for Nielsen.
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by Keith Quinn on Jul 14, 2011 1:12 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Except it wouldn't!
I made that mistake a couple of weeks ago, forgetting that his contract this year is set in stone. So an extension can’t affect the cap for this season.
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Balls
Well it would help me at least. I keep forgetting that! Seems like it would be a nice additional way to circumvent the cap…keep a player you like instead of brining in some expensive hump.
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by Keith Quinn on Jul 14, 2011 1:21 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
He's probably turn it down anyway
His dedication runs so deep, he’ll sign a lifetime contract for just a Claude Lapointe autographed puck and some passes to the Long Island Game Farm.
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by PGI on Jul 14, 2011 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Dom, you raise an excellent point about waiting until
cap-strapped teams have gone through arbitration to see where they stand….but, purely hypothetically, what would our hit be if we offered Stamkos a 1 Yr. $12.5 mil contract. It might be pallitable to him as he’d be a FA (UFA?) next season after caps have probably increased and more teams would be able to make a strong long-term offer. For us, could it only cost one 1st round pick to TB due to the short term?
Disclaimer, I neither support or oppose this.
Just for argument's sake
It’s all based on the average salary. So at that rate it’s four #1 picks.
Meanwhile, UFA status (in most, natural homegrown cases) is achieved purely through age (27) or seven NHL seasons, whichever comes first. So a one-year deal doesn’t bring Stamkos any closer to UFA.
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Quote from Snow
Very interesting. Sounds like Nino is going to have to play his way out of a job, rather than the other way around. I like it. We have enough other good players around now that he shouldn’t end up getting Bailey’d.
Not shocking
With JJ gone, who else would you put on the third line wing?
by DP'sknee(andhipandflubugandotherknee) on Jul 14, 2011 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Well
right now you have Bailey, Comeau, Martin, Reasoner, Haley, and Hunter as the bottom 6 forwards. So someone will have to go to make room for Nino. I’d probably bet it’s Haley, but I’d hate to see that happen.
Even though JJ got into half our games last year, I think he still was more of an injury replacement than a regular.
Gillies spends a lot of time in BP this year IMHO. Isles go with 13 forwards and 8 Defensemen to start the season above the cap floor.
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Yea
I agree on Gillies, that’s why I didn’t bother listing him in the bottom 6.
So you think a bottom 7 with Nino added to the above, and Haley/Martin/(maybe Hunter) splitting press box time?
The only other point I’d make is if DP is one of the two goalies, then there almost certainly needs to be a third on the roster.
Good thing we got three goalies in reserve!
And maybe four, if you count just like the / old man in / that book by Na-bo-kov
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Yea
That whole thing is going to be interesting if he’s still around when camp starts. He’d have to be considered the front runner to be our starter if he shows.
What’s the general feeling on him being traded? Does the fact that we still have him make it seem less likely he’s going to be moved? All the pundits had him pegged as a draft day deal, but he’s still here. But he’s still probably our most valuable roster player who might actually be traded, so if Garth is going to bring someone in I guess there’s a good chance it’s a team looking for a keeper.
Nabokov Front Runner?
Not at all. He had a HORRIBLE season in the KHL. He had an even worse run at the WCs. There’s no reason to believe that he’ll be the starter for the Isles by default.
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Eh
I really don’t think what he did in the KHL matters much at all. It’s hard to even say what a good or bad season means over there.
His last year in the NHL on the other hand he finished 6th in Save%.
I’m not saying he’s the starter by default, just the frontrunner to win the job. Running through our guys I think everyone ends up behind him on the depth chart to start off with either for skill (DP) or experience reasons(everyone else).
His last year in the NHL
he also played on a really good team. Niemi finished last season at .920 SV% and in the top 10 for SV% in the leaue.
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Niemi also won a Cup
Yes, ’Hawks had a great team, but I think Niemi is at least close to the top-10 goalies. Often goalies have very high save % for not-so-great teams. Vokoun comes to mind.
Nabokov turns 36 this month. For a goalie, that’s not too old. (5 years younger than TB’s starter.) He may still have a great season or two left in him. We’ll see.
But I agree that he’s not the “frontrunner”. I think Montoya earned that with his 20 games this spring.
by North Dakota Red Eagle on Jul 14, 2011 9:22 PM EDT up reply actions
I say all bets are off
Montoya played well yes, but it would be crazy to just give him the keys to the porsche and let him go at it without some competition. Nabokov is a proven NHL commodity even though he spited us and we should rightfully kick him in the teeth.
Camp this year should dictate who comes out and proves they are able to handle A and B positions. Between Nabokov, Montoya, DP, and Poulin something will happen. We should see Poulin and Mikko are in BP, Nilsson is in the ECHL or BP. Then we have the DP, who injures himself and then we have Montoya and Nabokov split games to see who takes the lead.
Nilsson
will be back in Europe long before he is in the ECHL, probably before the Bridge too b/c one or two f poulin and mikko will be there
by CanadianIsleslifer on Jul 14, 2011 9:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes, I agree that camp should dictate who starts
…I just view Montoya as the frontrunner because of his performance last season. If Nabokov outperforms him at camp, I hope Isles go with him to start the season.
by North Dakota Red Eagle on Jul 14, 2011 9:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Good to see Garth is probably going to have Nino in the NHL this year.
Also, I hope to see Nilsson getting close to 50 games in Bridgeport this season. Poulin should get about 20 games in Bridgeport and split the rest of the time with Montoya. Unless DP comes back this offseason a completely different goalie, it’s unlikely that the team can win with him in net.
great article Dom
often said it myself, the cap floor is not an issue. there are numerous ways around the CBA, not even including potential acquisitions.
by CanadianIsleslifer on Jul 14, 2011 1:50 PM EDT reply actions
The #NJDevils have traded Pierre-Luc Letourneau-Leblond to the Calgary #Flames for a 5th round pick in 2012.
That’s like two players in one, no?
by DP'sknee(andhipandflubugandotherknee) on Jul 14, 2011 2:02 PM EDT reply actions
lol
I thought the same thing…..two guys for a fifth round pick!
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by CharlieIsles on Jul 14, 2011 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions
If I read the CBA savings on lettering are not allowed under the cap. Lou is forfeiting a pick for this.
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Arena problem...seriously, is there oil under that site or something?
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by Keith Quinn on Jul 14, 2011 2:07 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
So did Nilsson
basically say he’s not coming back till next season?
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Yes, Where's Nilsson Playing This Year?
I was under the impression that they were going to loan him back to Lulea, but that interview seems to indicate he’s going to be in North America.
With DP and the Big Cubano on the NHL roster (and Nabokov to until he gets moved?) and Poulin and Koskinen at Bridgeport, does Nilsson start out in Kalamazoo (ECHL) to get used to the smaller ice surface?
Unfortunately I think Swedish Islander has been busy being a dad, or else I’d bug him if he heard anything about Nilsson going to Lulea.
But that was the last rumor, that Nilsson will be lent back to Lulea
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i'd be shocked if it was anything different
there are three north american choices:
NHL – can’t see it next year, that would be a total shocker
AHL – maybe but not likely given Poulin and Koskinen will likely be there, that could hurt development for all three as their ice-time would be limited
ECHL – i personally do not think the talent level is enough to warrant sending Nilsson there, i think his development would be better served in the Swedish Elite league
by CanadianIsleslifer on Jul 16, 2011 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Not so fast...
But that was the last rumor, that Nilsson will be lent back to Lulea
Thats not what he seems to be saying:
…"I’m excited to come over here and play the full year," Nilsson said. "It’s going to be really fun."
As for this week’s Islanders Mini-Camp, Nilsson said it will assist in helping him make the necessary adjustments to the North American style of hockey. The European game, which is generally defensive-minded, is hard to compare to the faster-paced, smaller North American ice surface. But for a goaltender, the change in ice surface affects more than the speed of the game. All the angles which Nilsson has become accustomed to, have suddenly changed.
"The bounces off the boards, the angles on the side, when they (the players) come in and shoot the puck, everything is different, even the crease is different," Nilsson said. "That’s new for me. I have to get used to that. So it’s a matter of things I have to get used to… I just have to give it some time."
The 20-year-old said there are a few things that he’ll have to figure out on his own, but explained he plans on leaning on Islanders goaltending coaches Mike Dunham and Sudarshan Maharaj as much as possible….
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Let Us Go, Islanders! (Ever notice how strange that sounds without the contraction?)
by TheMetalChick on Jul 17, 2011 12:01 AM EDT up reply actions
yeah i know
but i will still be shocked…if they do something up top and only one of Koskinen or Poulin end up in AHL, i could see it but otherwise i’d be shocked…i just don’t think his development would be aided in the ECHL – and three top prospects goalies in the AHL sounds too crowded…who knows though, maybe i am wrong
by CanadianIsleslifer on Jul 17, 2011 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions
I can't imagine what they're going to do if everyone is healthy
None of the BPT prospects should be in the ECHL and the 3 goalie thing bugs the crap out of me. You can’t “Redden” DP (right now) because we need the cap hit, and we still have Montoya AND Nabokov. Hopefully somebody else in the league needs a goalie so we can use that in a package for a great part, but I’m not sure who you give up if nobody wants Nabaokov or DP (very likely).
Just never Poulin…I think untouchable.
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by Keith Quinn on Jul 17, 2011 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions
i hate the three goalie thing too, but unless all the sudden DP can play back to back games they are going to have to. There were stretches last year where they were essentially praying Rolo (or whoever else) didn’t get hurt during the game because DP was unavailable (though dressed and on the bench). I don’t think that’s a legitimate plan. The two goalies who dress on any given night need to be able to play, and play effectively.
It sucks they need his cap hit, because playing yourself into shape is something that needs to be done at the AHL level. How long can he spend down there on a conditioning stint?
Two weeks from what I remember
but he has to be injured…not just bad otherwise he has to pass through waivers. I still don’t think it would be a problem with anyone plucking him off waivers.
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by Keith Quinn on Jul 18, 2011 10:20 AM EDT up reply actions
I don’t think claiming an injury would be an issue in any way for him, but two weeks wouldn’t really fit the bill for what I’m thinking about. I’m sure they’ll figure something out.
by afrosupreme on Jul 18, 2011 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah two weeks and like 4 games
You can extend the conditioning stint once; after that they ask questions.
But it’s not like he’d be a waiver risk at this point; just wounded pride.
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Right
but like Keith says, the way it stands right now we need his cap hit, which goes away if he’s in the AHL, right?
Yep
I’m not sure what the cut off is or how the lower limit works during the season. I believe you need to be in order when the season “commences,” but after that can you be lower-limit penalized for demoting a guy you’re still paying?
This sounds like a question for philosophers.
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On the Capgeek Roster
I forgot to add Haley, but I figured he was interchangeable with Gillies. So technically the Islanders could be closer to the floor if they give Haley a big raise too.
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Yeah
Your theory about giving him a waiver-allergic salary is interesting.
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Nice bringing back Colliton.
I always thought he brought more than Jesse J and played a similar role. Good depth at BPT.
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And don't go to the supermarket
on an empty stomach. And when your on a date, always play side 2 of Led Zeppelin IV.
by 4PeatSake on Jul 14, 2011 2:49 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Garik16 please explain this unadjusted Corsi stuff
Here are the worst 20 players by unadjusted Corsi rating in 2010/11:
Rank Player Team Corsi
2 Cam Fowler Ana -381
3 Zenon Konopka NYI -318
4 Eric Nystrom Min -300
…
11 Matt Martin NYI -245
I find it curious that one is a player many Islander fans wanted the Islanders to draft, one was a player that many Islander fans wanted the Islanders to sign, two were actually Islanders, but only one remains. What any of this means I have no idea?
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Just to take a shot in the dark
and I could be wrong, but basically I believe that means how many shots they had on net (including blocked and missed shots, etc) Vs how many shots were taken on their net when they were on the ice.
Considering the amount of time Martin spent on the 4th line, this shouldn’t be too surprising.
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Yes and these are not adjusted Corsi.
Konopka didn’t take many offensive zone faceoffs either. I just found the list curious not the actual numbers themselves.
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oooo
I just woke up. I’m sure that the response would be that islander fans think too much with their hearts and not by the stats.
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Getting to the cap floor is not really all that big of a deal
for this team. As I read it, the penalty for not reaching the cap floor is that you are inelligible for revenue sharing. Well, big deal!!!!
This team is not elligible for revenue sharing anyways. It plays in a large media market.
So who cares about the cap floor? There’s really no need to clog up the roster with bodies who are going to be ineffetive three years down the line. Use the space to sign Okposo, Tavares, Grabner, Bailey, Hamonic and Amac to six year deals. Keep some stability.
We already have the frame work in place to build a contender for many years to come. And for the first time in ages, teams in our division didn’t get better. THEY GOT WORSE!!!!!!
Nah it was updated
We won’t be allowed to play during the season
by sayvillelax94 on Jul 14, 2011 5:02 PM EDT up reply actions
If I read it correctly...
…all the lefty shots on the Isles will have to play with RH sticks; all the righty shots with LH sticks…. This would be a major obstacle for the skaters, but the Lighthouse community would welcome the addition of several RH shots.
by North Dakota Red Eagle on Jul 14, 2011 7:09 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Prospect update
Just caught this: http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=569338&navid=mod-rr-headlines
Brock Neslon update…sounds like we may have something here in the next couple of years.
It’s exciting, adding 11 pounds to a 6’-3" frame in a year, sounds like a solid kid.
Great to hear the Reverend is healthy enough for camp
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Yeah Newsday had something on him today too
Cappy is saying that he definitely is standing out among his peers…which is pretty lofty praise considering Strome, Kabanov, Nino, Anders, Rakh and some of the AHL group are there. Maybe Snow really, REALLY knows what he’s doing!
NY Islanders, just one irrational free agent signing away from contention!
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by Keith Quinn on Jul 14, 2011 6:18 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
"Brock Nelson"
Come on, with a name like that, how can he fail to be a productive NHL power forward? “Brock Nelson” and “Scott Mayfield” sounds like a good WWE tag-team.
Disclaimer: I neither support or oppose this.
by North Dakota Red Eagle on Jul 14, 2011 7:17 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Saw The Reverand at last year's Rookie Scrimmage
and was very impressed with his positioning and hockey sense. OK, it was only 60 minutes, but mind you Brock was 17 at the time playing against 20 somethings.
Rev. Brock Nelson missing from WJC roster
I see Scott Mayfield and Robbie Russo on the try out roster, but no Brock. What gives?
This IS the year.
WJC
I think he’s too old, he turns 20 in October.
That Jeff Tambellini Article is a Real Hoot
The Canucks may have chosen to not re-sign him because he “went through a dry spell at the end of the season and during the playoffs.” And then the writer says he’s scored 27 goals in 242 NHL games with his “powerful shot.”
Note to HockeyWriters: Tambellini’s been in a “dry spell” for his entire NHL career, and his shot ain’t that “powerful.”
I'm still not 100% certain that article wasn't sarcasm
I mean, it would have to be really quirky, subtle sarcasm, but still. How else to explain it?
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DRY spell?????
When has he NOT been dry for more than, I dont know, a game or two?
Let Us Go, Islanders! (Ever notice how strange that sounds without the contraction?)
by TheMetalChick on Jul 17, 2011 12:02 AM EDT up reply actions
Islanders 2d Most Difficult Team to Root For?
What an asinine article. Since this moron G. Scott Thomas had Florida ranked four spots higher than the Islanders, I said to myself, how could that possibly be? They’ve never won anything and haven’t made the playoffs since the Roosevelt administration – Teddy Roosevelt.
So I click on the “details” and find that what puts them ahead of the Islanders is that it’s been only 17 years since the Panthers’ won their “last title” (i.e., years in existence) while it’s been 27 years since the Islanders last won a title. Yes, according to this great “methodolgy” employed by Mr. Thomas, winning nothing in fewer years makes a team easier to root for than rooting for team that has won 4 Cups with 7 HOF’ers in the slightly more distant past.
I know that they write these articles to generate website “hits,” but jeez, can you at least make an attempt to be even marginally credible?
The logic is sound though. We should all root for the Jets because technically theft have yet to have a losing season.
Hunter said he was just finishing his check.
by Turgeon1992 on Jul 14, 2011 9:03 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 2 recs
The Whalers and Thrashers
are extremely difficult to root for…among some others
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by Thaddeus Ballpheasant on Jul 14, 2011 9:24 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Actually
They are the only team in the NHL that has never won a single playoff game.
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Let Us Go, Islanders! (Ever notice how strange that sounds without the contraction?)
by TheMetalChick on Jul 17, 2011 12:05 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, his reasoning is off
…but Isles have been hard to root for at times thanks to a handful of people, including Spano, Milbury, Dale Hunter, Colin Campbell, and Darcy Tucker. I think it’s great that my hockey team won 19 series in a row, but my brother was born in September of ‘79. I was born days after May 17, 1983. I vaguely remember watching the ’93 goal. Since then it’s been pretty tough to be an Islanders fan. Bates’s goal is the best Islanders moment that I remember clearly. That needs to change soon.
by North Dakota Red Eagle on Jul 14, 2011 9:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Rant
The Islanders are painful to root for. Rooting for a team with the constant uncertainty of whether they will be in town a few years down the road, with their future constantly in the hands of hucksters, politicians, developers, the ups and down of the economy, fickle NIMBY-ite residents, and on and on and on, is an effing pain in the ass. How many arena plans, ownership changes, rebuilds, et al., have been dangled before us and yet we still continue to hope that this time it will be different. I’ve been fans of some pretty disappointing teams (the Jets for the past couple of decades) yet nothing quite compares with the special brand of pain that Islanders fandom brings.
Rant over.
by DP'sknee(andhipandflubugandotherknee) on Jul 14, 2011 11:01 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Agreed
I’m repeating myself, but while the methodology was crap, I can personally attest to many years of torture by the Islanders and Blues.
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you know what's going to happen
And I’ve predicted it before. Blues Vs Islanders cup final when they both get back.
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I'd probably be hit by a bus before Game 7
A lose-lose-lose situation.
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Anybody Else
Notice, but we have front page index spot on NHL.com for all our prospects. Looks like they have taken notice that we have potential to do damage down the road.
Every Respected Hockey beat writer who follows prospects is/has taken note of Isles prospect pool
and what adds to it is the fact that several youngster are already proving themselves on the nhl squad who are at an age when they too are still considered prospects, but are not included in the “prospect pool” lists b/c they play in nhl already
by CanadianIsleslifer on Jul 14, 2011 10:14 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I noticed that
Was thinking nhl.com is being cheap budget conscious, and sending most of their in-house guys to cover local camp.
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The preds np looks like the font my college uses for our logo. Lame.
Hunter said he was just finishing his check.
by Turgeon1992 on Jul 14, 2011 11:44 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
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May 24, 1980: Tonelli to Nystrom. At long last, the steady build of the New York Islanders from expansion doormat to surprise semifinalist to annual contender reaches the promised land: Buoyed by a late season trade for Butch Goring that gave the team the depth up the middle GM Bill Torrey had been seeking, the Islanders knock off the Philadelphia Flyers in six games.
The victory justified the faith in coach Al Arbour who guided them from their second season to their first Stanley Cup seven seasons later. The Islanders would not be the first expansion team to win the Stanley Cup, but they would be the only one capable of a dynasty.
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May 21, 1981: This time it was much easier. After falling to "only" 91 points in the 1979-80 season, the Islanders returned to their division title tradition, piling up 110 points -- a whole 13 points over second-place Philadelphia.
Between the quarterfinals (where they beat the upstart Oilers in six games) and the finals, the Islanders reeled off eight consecutive wins -- with a four-game sweep of archrival Rangers in between. As they defeated the Minnesota North Stars in five games for their second Cup, their goal difference in the final was a combined +10.
1981-82
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May 16, 1982: Another year, another landslide title. The Islanders won the Patrick Division by a whopping 26 points over the second-place Rangers, and were seven points clear of their nearest competition for the President's Trophy, the still-not-quite-ripe Edmonton Oilers.
A first-round scare against the Pittsburgh Penguins turned in the Isles' favor thanks to John Tonelli's heroics, and a true dynasty was on its way: Past the Rangers in six games, then an eight-game sweep of the Quebec Nordiques and Vancouver Canucks to run away with the Stanley Cup.
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May 17, 1983: Not so fast, whipper-snappers. The Edmonton Oilers' steadily rising challenge for league supremacy took them all the way to the finals for the first time, where the New York Islanders summarily dispatched them in a four-game sweep. For the Islanders, the Dynasty was secured. For the Oilers, it was a powerful lesson in where talent ends and the demands of playoff hockey begin.
Four years, four Cups, 16 consecutive playoff series wins (a record that would grow to 19 until the rematch with the Oilers the following year). Mike Bossy scored 60 goals yet again, and Wayne Gretzky became acquainted with Billy Smith's crease.
