Idle Spec: WWGD? What would you trade for the 8th pick?

Trent Hunter! and the Wiznewski 2nd rounder.

Our forwards haven’t reached their peak so, no established guys here. But of our current top 9, I would move PAP or Bailey and a roster depth D-man. Hillen, Juice, Katic type. probably not enough to tempt them, but given the uncertainty of th value of a draft pick, it’s not worth any more to me.

The BJ’s just let their assistant (TO the) GM and head of pro scouting go.

Are we still in stage 1 of our rebuild? How about we give them $3.5M to sign a FA by taking Commodore off their hands with the 8th pick. We could give them a second rounder for good measure… or maybe Ness…. he could have a growth spurt.
If Snow could work his voodoo with Commodore and put him in the 2006-07 time machine for 100 games over 2 years it would be well worth $7M to let some of the kids develop properly in the A.

i don’t think the isles have anyone to give columbus because they’re technically somewhat in the same boat. as well as parenteau did last season, they still need another proven player to play with JT and moulson. which is why it’s not a bad idea to trade the 5th overall pick in a package for a scary winger. this is one where i think garth would just leave alone. whether or not the isles kepp or trade away the pick, good will come out of it. let brian burke mortgage the rest of his franchise for the 8 pick.

I know this is speculation for acquiring the 8th pick, but if I was Garth, I would only be interested in a play to move down in the draft while picking up a useful veteran that isn’t on the downside of his career. This might be the only way the Isles could acquire an impact veteran.

The #5 pick is worth more in currency than the cap space because you cannot trade cap space…or at least the Philadephias and New Jerseys of the world have not been desperate enough to trade for cap relief.

For instance, even if the Isles traded their #5 and a second-rounder (#35) for the #8 pick, I do not think they will net a useful veteran. They’ll need to trade away their #5 and not get an impact pick in this draft if they want to go that route.

That being said, if the #8 pick was available, I’d do a Bailey-style drop, but I would make sure I would get either:

• a veteran winger that could contribute to one of the top three lines over the next 2-3 seasons (and would be a top-six forward for at least the 2011-12 season while Nino acclimates to his first full NHL season) OR
• a top-four defenseman for the next 2-3 seasons

If I didn’t, no sale.

There’s honestly not an Islanders forward I would offer (that I think Columbus would accept) for that pick.

basically says it all.

We don’t have a top six forward, outside of the “CORE” of JT, MM, MG, KO, and FN that Columbus would give up the #8 pick for. PAP doesn’t have a proven track record and would be a huge gamble for the Jackets.

If i wanted to make an offer, I might be prepared to offer Bailey, one of the non core Dmen (and by Core, I mean, Streit, AMac, Hamonic and DeHaan, so none of those) and our late second rounder (from Montreal) for the #8

Y not for both sides. COZO is a good threat for a depleted CLB offense.

….when hockey fans’ juices flow most fully and wheels spin most freely!

Go ahead, TELL me that Scott Howson ISN’T a dead-ringer for the Carradine brother named Keith in that shot!

I’d be much more concerned with trying to trade up one or two spots. RNH is going 1st overall. We could really use Larsson or Landeskog more than the others. They could both step in right away and play a big role. They also seem to be two “safer” picks.

when in the next couple years we’ll be adding some more prospects to the ranks. He’s good and debatedly a straight swap for #8 with his developing production.
It’s him or Hunter and a later pick for #8 and I don’t see CBJ biting on that.
Moving Comeau opens up a spot for Garth to work his Moulson-PAP magic…or Schremp-Grabner. Whatever he likes.
If we really want, we can try packaging picks to move up and attempt an unholy Courturier-Hamilton addition. Although I am intrigued by Baertschi and Zibanijad…possibly Strome and Murphy. Ah, pipe dreams.

Without a package from us…still too much uncertainty aside from the “untouchables” who I figure are all the guys who just signed, the guys already liked into cheap deals, and Tavares and ELC guys…which basically leaves PAP, BC, and JB. If I could get by trading one of those guys and a second rounder and/or middling prospect I’d do it.

I had thought that Columbus might trade the pick, but to trade down, rather than for immediate help. Even if Columbus has only two or three “top 6” forwards, Ryan Johansen is sure to step in and be at least a “top 6” in talent next season.

If they are so worried about top flight players, why not draft someone like Mika Zibanejad who already plays with men, and go from there?

Trading the #8 pick just isn’t going to bring in the talent that the Dispatch is hoping for.

The fact that Columbus is offering the pick is further proof that the potential elite players stop around 5-7 (depending on how you view Hamilton, Murphy, Zibanejad, Couturier).

The Islanders should stay right where they are, and just take the player with the biggest upside as an “impact player” forward or defense. Sometimes you can get too fancy for your own good. See Milbury, Idiot.

for the 8th pick? I’d do that

Perhaps a contingency deal depending on who ends up being available

If we could get Mika and Hamilton with the 5th and 8th pix I MIGHT part with Cozo, but I fear he will bite us in the ass down the road.

is it june twentyfriggin-fourth already…….?

Comeau, Ness and the #5 overall pick for Columbus #8 overall pick and R.J. Umberger. Then with the #8 pick, take Ryan Murphy, Mika, or Dougie.

Since the going rate for acquiring negotiating rights is a 3rd round pick, would anyone else consider kicking the tires on Brad Richards rights? Ya know, fly him in, give him the tour and the hard sell, present a very good contract offer, and if he turns his nose up, flip his rights @ the draft. Might be worth the effort…wouldn’t it be sweet seeing him dish to J.T. on the powerplay?

Keep playing as you wish.

But I just wanted to say thanks for playing along with this exercise without going insane or beating each other up with “Your fantasy dream is crazy and mine is real and must happen NOW!” tiffs.

I’d pacakage Comeau or PAP and our early 2nd rounder for the #8 if ZIbanejad, Siemens, or Oleksiak are on board because they fill needs and are lower risk higher reward picks. I personally don’t wanna touch Murphy and Baertchi because of their lack of size(Murphy’s D too) and our need for size. Strome probably too, but the gigantic 1-year jump wonder thing does make you question.

Or to turn it around… if you’re Scott Howson, what do you ask for from Garth to give up the 8th pick?

Considering that the draft is very close from 5-12, you’re not moving up to five. You probably want the 34th pick as part of the return, rather than the 50th… and possibly both. And you want a ready player. So, you’re asking for something like Bailey, Comeau, or even Moulson, plus the two second-rounders.

I think the Isles would want to hold at least one of the two second-rounders, and while they might be persuaded to part with Bailey, I don’t see them subtracting either of the other guys. (Well… they may want to sell high on Comeau, though I think it would be an error.) And I think that the ONLY way this would happen from Garth’s POV is if, after the fourth pick, Couturier was still on the board.

The other, intriguing option… the Jackets could actually use a better goalie. Mason is really not that good. Garon is a reasonable back up, and that’s all. Would they be persuaded to give up the 8th pick if the Isles gave up either Poulin or Montoya, along with a lesser forward?