[Update-Newsday: Talks 'Break Down'] Bits: 24 Hours of Ehrhoff Edition
by Dominik on Jun 29, 2011 12:49 PM EDT
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Update, 4 p.m. EDT: Katie Strang of Newsday reports on Twitter:
Talks broke down between #Isles and Christian Ehrhoff; email sent out from #Isles end to other teams
Well, it was a fun 20 hours, Deutschlander. Enjoy the next stop.
[Original post continues after the jump]
So, hey Isles fans ... what's new? Anything going on? Kinda quiet, eh?
The explosion of comments and Twitter traffic by Islanders fans about acquiring the negotiating rights to a pretty good but-not-star NHLer creates one of those reflective moments where you realize just how much (and how many) people care about this team. From California to Sweden to Austria to Long Island and some anonymous Midwest outpost [Lampoon language warning], people are buzzing in late June about a maybe with Christian Ehrhoff.
The blogger/fan in me both looks forward to and fears the time when this team climbs up the standings and draws the casual fans out of the woodwork. On the flipside...wow do people read a whole lot of connotation into just a few words on Twitter. I'm not going into examples other than to say contract negotiations don't happen in an instant unless it's July 1 and you're Tampa Bay.
For now, here's a collection of links, sweet humor and reactions to a surreal trans-Atlantic saga taking place today and, possibly, tomorrow:
from North Dakota Red Eagle in comments.
The story as it's known
Garth Snow talked yesterday to agent Rick Curran, who has spoken to Ehrhoff today [$5 please]. This stuff broke in the evening in North America after the Canucks decided they were done and solicited offers for the rights. Snow told Newsday's Katie Strang:
"I'm going to give it my best effort to get it done ... leave no stone unturned."
Newsday's Arthur Staple theorizing why the contract should be front-loaded, due to the next CBA uncertainty. (Question: I can buy a cap rollback, but are people really figuring the owners will get away with a salary rollback? With Fehr at the helm? Salaries have gone up because revenues have gone up; if the owners don't like it, they better learn to share more.)
In-House Reactions
We had a bunch of comments, and a bunch of good one-liners, from Grabner on the Autobahn to Wagner playing at the Coliseum when the Islanders put out an all-German-speaking unit. Such as this response from Afrosupreme:
ChrisBottaNHL
One would think the #Isles are putting ex-Canuck @grabs40 on a plane from Austria to Germany in a few hours.A Plane?
That would take too long. He’s rollerblading on the Autobahn as we speak.
by afrosupreme on June 28
- Our initial reaction thread is in Les Beaver's FanPost, and a little more analysis and comment reaction is here.
- The gang at Nucks Misconducts are getting their reaction on here. They also share an excellent rant by Valeri Bure about treatment of his older, better brother by Canucks GM and former Bure agent Mike Gillis.
- And what if the Islanders swing and miss on Ehrhoff? This is from a Bruins perspective, but here's a look at three options that add James Wisniewski (been there) and Tomas Kaberle (fear there) into the mix. Suffice to say, Ehrhoff looks superior, but he's also plied his trade on two of the best teams in the NHL for the past four seasons. Always tough to discern chicken or egg there. As for the Detroit question with the retirement of Brian Rafalski, many are speculating they'd prefer Wiz. But who knows.
- Further Isles blog reactions from NYI FYI and SNY Point Blank.
On the Twitters:
Yes, Michael Grabner has done his part, so leave him alone:
@grabs40
For all the people asking- I already talked to ehrhoff..told him its great on long island,tried my best...rest is up to him people..
And the snark has been fully engaged:
@HockeyRanter
Ehrhoff may actually enjoy playing somewhere that doesn’t burn their own city down every decade or so.
The fantasy angle:
@twolinepass
streit and ehrhoff: a trillion power play goals
Why the 'Nucks had to draw a line in the sand:
This is just one branch of the Isles' offseason plan:
@TheFourthPeriod David PagnottaI do, and too early to tell on Ehrhoff RT @Michael_Rotondo Do you think the Isles will try & improve up front? chances of signing Erhoff?
But why would Ehrhoff -- who was negotiating with Vancouver just a few days ago -- suddenly give up his choice of any destination just to go to the Isles?:
@mirtle James MirtleGood on Gillis for getting something for Ehrhoff, who is going for a big pay day. Doubt he ends up on Long Island, though.
The answer, of course, is that if he won't sign with Vancouver for some pretty sweet Bieksa money, then he must be looking to truly max out his earnings. And not too many teams are going to be able to do that for him.
But it's hard to know what motivates some players. Ehrhoff, for his part, has already been a victim (I use that term loosely) of the NHL system when San Jose dumped him to make cap room for the Dany Heatley acquisition. So just because he played hardball with Vancouver doesn't mean his values aren't on "winning" -- it could simply mean that he knows situations can change in an instant, and teams are only looking out for your interests up to the point that you are still useful to them.
I stole most of the Twitter quotes from Keith, who is better at keeping up with the Twitters than I am. By all means, post more news and fun stuff in comments here and in the prior two threads.
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This sort of reminds me of the Aucoin trade
We for once got a player in his prime who was a good but not great defenseman with some offensive upside. I remember there being a decent amount of excitement for him too.
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Aucoin
…was good defensively too. He had one or two great seasons for the Isles. If Isles get 1 or 2 great seasons out of Hoff and the rest are just “good”, I will be very happy. (If he signs.)
by North Dakota Red Eagle on Jun 29, 2011 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Aww, Aucoin
I really wanted them to go after him the last two summers, too.
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by Dominik on Jun 29, 2011 1:20 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Reminds me of Campbell and Yashin, too - both good and bad
In that they are meaningful upgrades with a PR element, but also overpayments that you have to work around.
Despite the rap, Yashin was effective for the Isles and Campbell was important to the Hawks; they just got too much for too long.
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of course
All we gave up for Aucoin was Lil Biron and a 2nd rounder (later traded to Washington – later traded to Vancouver – Vancouver selected Denis Grot) so I was thinking of the cheap moves that were good, not the large OMG what were you thinking moves.
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Oh yeah
I know. I was just thinking about franchises down on their luck having to do something elite teams wouldn’t, or can afford not to, do.
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So I can't remember my wife's birthday
but you can remember that the trade for Aucoin included a second rounder, that was eventually traded to Washington, and again traded to Vancouver, that eventually ended up with Denis Grot – Denis with 1 “n”, not two…..and Grot, as in, who…. Umm….wow….
Has anyone ever seen WebBard in person, or does he look like the “happy birthday Paulie” robot from Rocky IV??
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by CharlieIsles on Jun 29, 2011 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions
LOL, I've seen him in person
It took me an hour to find him, but that was because I took the signs in Penn Station too literally.
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Charlieisles
If you go to Aucoin’s page on TSN they break it down for you under trades.
The TSN site tracks trades to the umteenth degree. I am sure that is where he got that from, since it looks like what they have.
Gotcha....thanks for the link
Webbard just makes it look so smooth lol….
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by CharlieIsles on Jun 29, 2011 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Bard has one big advantage about the Isles under Milbury
He once wrote up a huge flowchart of every single transaction made by He Who Cannot Refrain From Dealing Madly. Such a project makes one conversant with all the gruesome details.
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I did the same thing
My best freind and I were comparing what was worse…the Eric Lindros Trade or The dark years Islander trades starting with Turgeon it ran through the Milbury’s trades. I put a huge chart together of everything.
I won the argument. Even thought the lindros trade gave the Avalanche the cup.
Thing is
Lindros almost brought a Cup home to Philly as well, they had great teams with him as the centerpiece. He was really a great player. It’s not like Philly completely destroyed themselves in the process, though the price was heavy.
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People forget how good the goaltending was in the East during that time. Just in the Atlantic you have Richter, Brodeur and Barasso. Then Hasek in Buffalo, Kolzig in Washington, Beezer in Florida. To make the finals from the east, you almost certainly had to play at least 2 top of the line goaltenders on the way there.
If you line up the regular seasons between the Flyers and the Avs/Nords during Lindros’ time with the Flyers they are nearly identical.
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But Avs have 2 Cups
My buddy’s argument was 14 of the players on the AVS that won the cup were tied to lindros…The pick they got from Hextall was used on Thibault, who was traded for Roy, Forsberg, Foote, etc etc, everyone but Sakic was attributed to Lindros.
The regular season doensn’t mean crap, nobody remembers who lost 5 years ago. My buddy hated Lindros.
I remember a lot of obscure trades
And transactions, but this time I decided to double check and see who TB got with the 2nd rounder, and just copy/pasted the transaction history from hockeyreference.com
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not to nit-pick ...
but what the hell, i’ll nit-pick.
agreed, aucoin wasn’t a GREAT defensman, but he was better than GOOD.
i guess VERY GOOD would pretty much be it.
(i was a big aucoin fan so i wanted to get my two cents in there)
he became a very, very good defensive Dmen
after pairing with Johnson, and gave Kenny credit for the improvement. He also had a helluva shot from right point
by CanadianIsleslifer on Jun 29, 2011 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions
He also
played like 30 minutes a game if I remember. Badass.
by afrosupreme on Jun 29, 2011 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
And how
That man was a beast. I knew he had some offense in him from TB, but I was totally taken off guard. He was like Streit before Streit was cool.
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yup. i agree with all ...
the above. he was a rock here. i was really disappointed when he left. and he and jonsson were an awesome pair.
by dose on Jun 29, 2011 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Bad Shoulder
Is this a concern – problem started end of season and may have affected him in the play-offs.
the opposite
Helps explain his poor playoffs.
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Only the last round
He injured it in the SJ series.
It should be fine by next season. He didn’t need surgery
"Playin hurt, baby that don't faze me. I don't got time for pain. The only pain I've got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is!"
Ha, sure
He’s an Islander now. He’ll need surgery. It’s just what we do.
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by Dominik on Jun 29, 2011 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Do Isles have their own shoulder surgery specialist?
…Good thing he doesn’t count towards the cap!
by North Dakota Red Eagle on Jun 29, 2011 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Dummy Brother
My Bro’s out in Arizona, had a kid on his little league team that could hit the ball no matter where it was. He started suggesting to the kids dad that he would be good at hockey and asked if he was interested in the sport – the dad replied – I play for the Coyotes…It was Aucoin…My Brother, the Dumbass.
by Katzenhammer on Jun 29, 2011 1:30 PM EDT reply actions 7 recs
HA!
That’s priceless.
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Dummy
He’s a Habs fan, Go Figure…
by Katzenhammer on Jun 29, 2011 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I love stories like this
People always lap up “Celebs are like us” stories, but the best thing about hockey players is that it really seems to be true, and not just a PR construct. Just run into Adrian Aucoin at a little league field, watch his kid swat baseballs, invite him to a BBQ and casually shoot the breeze… there are so many stories like this around hockey players. It’s one more reason I really love the sport and its athletes.
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by mikb on Jun 29, 2011 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
My brother pulled up to Vincent's Clam Bar
next to Matt Moulson and his wife, the night after we beat the Rangers near the end of the season. They ended up in a long conversation where my brother told him how happy he was to be staying, introduced wives to each other, etc. After my brother told him how happy that win over the Rangers made us all, MM said, “beating the Rangers makes everyone happy”.
My brother texts me how fricken happy he was to have met him…..and five minutes later MM tweets something like “I love going to Vincent’s Clam Bar and meeting our great fans there” (I’m paraphrasing).
You hit it on the head, mikb….hockey players are cut from a different cloth then other stars / athletes.
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by CharlieIsles on Jun 29, 2011 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions 6 recs
MattyMo was funny, courteous, and generous with his time at draft party
a favorite moment:
me: “Hey Grabs, don’t stop being funny!”
jetlagged Grabs: “……/looking confused and fatigued, nods….”
Moulson: “Hahahahaha!”
"Seriously that's the last time you guys f#@%ing won?" -RSH (about beating the Penguins in '93)
Rec'd for visibility
Cool story.
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that they are
but the non-canadian ones are just as nice so that cant be the explanation.
Let Us Go, Islanders! (Ever notice how strange that sounds without the contraction?)
by TheMetalChick on Jun 29, 2011 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions
That's nice...
…I didn’t know Phoenix had a team!
/majorleague
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That VanCityBuzz guy
Isn’t really up to speed. Edler needs a new contract in 2013, not next year. But the same principle still applies – Edler’s younger and more complete so I’d much rather throw a long contract and boatload of cash at him as opposed to Ehrhoff
"Playin hurt, baby that don't faze me. I don't got time for pain. The only pain I've got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is!"
So would i
when i first heard the news i was jumping with joy because i had confused ehrhoff with edler
:( i guess ehrhoff will do lol
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Botta
“1:30 pm: The Islanders have made their pitch to Christian Ehrhoff and his agent, Rick Curran. Several people have been involved in the recruiting of Ehrhoff, including former teammate Michael Grabner, who called from Austria to endorse the Islanders and Long Island.
It is now the evening in Germany. We should find out in the next few hours if Ehrhoff will accept Garth Snow’s long-term offer – believed to average close to $6 million per year – choose to become a UFA on Friday, or ask to sleep on the offer and decide on Thursday. "
I was just thinking how its close to Ehrhoff's bedtime
Before he puts on his feety pajamas and drinks his warm glass of milch, i hope he decides he wants to don an Islanders jersey for the next few years
Intently glued to every COZO
by Chris McNally on Jun 29, 2011 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions
For the life of me
I can’t figure out why a guy in Ehrhoff’s position wouldn’t at least sleep on it.
Yesterday he was playing hard ball with the Canucks and expecting to have his choice come this weekend, today he wakes up and hears he can have the Moon — if he decides before the weekend and doesn’t mind dropping 20 slots in the standings.
Who would make that decision in one day?
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Absolutely agree
and he’s gotta give his agent a chance to use back channels to find out how much the red wings are gonna offer :(
Probably right
but if it is a matter of money, he can probably be pretty sure he’s not getting more anywhere else.
someone whose playing for the money
i’m more concerned about length then amount, please don’t turn this into a brian campbell signing
by CanadianIsleslifer on Jun 29, 2011 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Even for the money
I mean, unless Garth put a deadline on him (which I think would be unwise if that deadline was tonight), don’t you think this is a “You’ve given me a lot to think about, please let me discuss with my wife/gf/gardener/Daschund and call you in the morning” situation?
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He comes from a country who thought following the Nazis was a good idea
I think when they see something that looks like a good thing they jump on it without much thinking about it. If Snow throws enough $$ at him I think itll be a done deal
Intently glued to every COZO
by Chris McNally on Jun 29, 2011 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions
- and without getting into specifics, I think THAT's an oversimplification.....
- certainly another country that was swept up in nationalistic tendencies, though…..
by ogam5 on Jun 29, 2011 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
i realized after i had posted it that it was probably a bad analysis
but i couldnt figure out how the heck to delete it. so im forced to live with the impression of being a complete tool.
Intently glued to every COZO
by Chris McNally on Jun 29, 2011 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Don't worry about it
Grabs and Co. can always cross the Alps and hang with Nino and Streit.
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at least i didnt try explaining the quick twitch muscle fiber theory
guess it couldve been worse lol
Intently glued to every COZO
by Chris McNally on Jun 29, 2011 4:03 PM EDT up reply actions
we have a couple of those on our team
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by Chris McNally on Jun 29, 2011 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Awww
You’ve never come off as a complete tool before — sometimes in the free-for-all lines just don’t come out right.
Edit/delete buttons always come up in SBN tech discussions, but ultimately because stuff flies so fast they figure it would do more harm/create more confusion than good.
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I thought you could delete your own comments
Just not anyone else’s.
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Only enforcers and snipers, I believe
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aha...
Shows what I know. Yay well-informed board moderator FTW! ! ! one !
:::hangs head in shame:::
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It's not like I'm good at telling y'all how things work
::joins line of head-hanging shame::
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To play hockey in a country that thought slavery was a smashing success!
Seriously, most Germans I have met of Ehrhoff’s generation (and slightly older) almost overcompensate with deep feelings of guilt about something they had nothing to do with. Then you can get into the matter of Austria v. Germany and who had a plurality of more eager followers and adherents.
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by Dominik on Jun 29, 2011 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
- problem was - and may yet be again before long,
the war reparations drove those most adversely affected straight into Hitler and the Nazi’s arms; it was a terrible mistake by Britain and the United States, punishing people who weren’t truly responsible for World War I and weren’t ever going to be able to resist the pushing of nationalistic buttons by the Nazis……but this doesn’t have much to do with hockey, does it……
Unless we're talking about
Canadians who happened to be born on British soil (like Owen Nolan and Steve Thomas). Otherwise, I agree: if we’re talking about one of those two topics we’re almost certainly not also talking about the other.
Byron Dafoe
I think he actually was English, and his family emigrated, no?
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I love reading about that time though
Really, the whole 20th century and how one thing led to the next. There’s a whole lot still today that you can trace back to decision made in the first decade of the 1900s.
“The Vertigo Years” — a sort of cultural portrait of Europe between 1900-1914, with emphasis on people not having the benefit of 20/20 hindsight we do — was a pretty good read. Tails off at the end, but was worth* it.
*My mother disagrees and dropped it after 40 pages, but she’s a tough critic.
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Yes indeed,
Really, the whole 20th century and how one thing led to the next. There’s a whole lot still today that you can trace back to decision made in the first decade of the 1900s.
Oh, such truer words were NEVER spoken……
- and in EVERY conceivable aspect of our lives today.....
….after all, Tesla invented the first wireless network back then……
Love how this message board starts with an ex-Canuck
and ends up discussing the Weimar republic. This forum is basically “The View” for hockey fans.
by 4PeatSake on Jun 29, 2011 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Coming very late to this "discussion"
And I got the retraction stuff, which is fine. I thought I’d just add that it has been my observation that it is quite the opposite: Germans do not jump on nearly anything without pondering over it for a long, long time. Not a very impulsive people. And this is from years and years of experience here.
Now of course that means nothing for any particular German.
Someone should tell the 'Hoff
that the team actually looked legit at the end of last season and this isn’t really reflected in the standings. So the whole “is he willing to freefall to the bottom of the rankings” thing isn’t as much of a factor as a lot of pundits would make it out to be.
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Slop
Eklund has Wiz rights going to Columbus (E5). Let’s see.
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If that's true, then that has to be some sort of a record, right?
To go from Anaheim —> Islanders —> Montreal —> Columbus in one calendar year? And then if he signs with someone else? Wow.
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He must be a real a-hole right?
4+ times?
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I'll be honest
I lost a lot of respect for him pretty quickly after the whole “2 games for gesturing” incident. Idiotic, unprofessional, and it makes the team look bad. And now that Avery has my undying respect, so when Avery > Wiz in my eyes, that’s a problem.
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Ahem
/diverts attention away from avatar
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by Keith Quinn on Jun 29, 2011 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
heheheheh
But that moment did give us one of the better comedy-ripe moments of the season.
(Scroll a bit, and enjoy, as a bonus, Olli Jolli Christmas.)
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Fab, do you realize you just typed that avery 'now has my undying respect?
If that ain’t a typo, I’m calling for immediate banisnhment. ;o)
"We can't get pushed around," Haley said. "What commentators say about us, that's their job. My job is to try and limit as many people who want to take liberties with our guys as possible."
by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Jun 29, 2011 7:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Another interesting note
Per Aaron Portzline of Columbus Dispatch:
Sources in Vancouver indicate that the Canucks wanted to steer Ehrhoff’s rights toward an Eastern Conference opponent. They’re hoping the Islanders can pony up the cash, convince Ehrhoff to sign a deal and keep him away from the likes of Detroit. We’ll see if it works.
I got a Q for y'all
So whatever we offer to him comes off the table by Friday right?
We wouldnt let him take our offer, then turn UFA and shop it around? I’m not super familiar with negotiating rights and hockey FA in general
It's not a bad way of getting a pricing guide out there
I’m sure that puts an idea into a players mind who may say hey, I’ll put up 35pts and come there for 1 mill less. The offer doesn’t come off the table unless Snow wants it to. It can sit there while he tests the market…however, many were saying that giving him a deadline (because we can spend more) might make him less likely to forego that because other teams won’t have to outbid us anymore…lowers his value.
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Nine years as per someone on twitter
http://twitter.com/#!/bassi_ndr_fire/status/86141052431503362
Who is this guy?
by DP'sknee(andhipandflubugandotherknee) on Jun 29, 2011 2:49 PM EDT reply actions
Is that a German name?
Dick Moj hahaha
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The Google
Tells me it’s Bob "the Moj" Marjanovich, some Vancouver radio personality, as far as I can tell.
by DP'sknee(andhipandflubugandotherknee) on Jun 29, 2011 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Wow
I guess Eklund nailed one
Nick Kypreos
RealKyper Nick Kypreos
#NHL moves. Sounding like #Canadiens traded James Wisniewski “rights” to #Bluejackets.
6 minutes ago
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Okay now Holmgren is just taking crazy pills
AnthonySan37 Anthony SanFilippo
Ok #Flyers fans, I’m told that if the Flyers decide to give Stamkos an offer sheet it’s for $115 mil over 12 years with a full no-trade.
If this is true, that’s just nuts. Seriously, this is like if Mike Milbury, Glen Sather, and Brian Burke combined into some sort of Voltron-type terrible GM.
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by Fabtraption on Jun 29, 2011 3:00 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Yep
if they do that, they will be terrible forever. That is 4 first rounders territory. They will have absolutely zero depth.
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I don't see that happening. Stamkos seems to be the real deal.
If he does land on the Flyers then the Carter / Richards dumps actually look intelligent.
Not to say that Stamkos or Kessel are bad
but Kessel is placed in the position of trying to make offense out of shit. This deal would cripple the Flyers into building an offense that would contend for years to come.
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One question not answered (to the best of my knowledge):
- why exactly is Yzerman being forced to shop SS, anyhow? Cap space or small-market issues? How will they realistically replace him, especially when Lecavalier is still rumored heading to Montreal and all they’ll really have left is MSL & Gagne?
I thought Gagne was free agent also
He signed a 5 year deal in 2006…so I think he is a UFA.
I thought they had approximately $42 left under the cap
How is that even possible? I guess some more folks will have to be moved.
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They can back load the contract
to when Bryzgalov and Pronger come off the numbers…I just can’t believe they would do that before signing all of their RFAs (or at least some). If they do that, they may have to continue trading the guys they just got, or JVR/Giroux/Hartnell/Briere…someone.
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They'll have to get very creative
But I guess they can do it. I can’t remember a team getting such a complete (and expensive) makeover in such a short time period, so it’s hard to wrap my mind around it.
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Backloading
doesn’t affect the cap hit for next year though, right? I thought it was applied evenly…
Yeah, you're right
There is no way they should be able to pull this off unless they dump someone.
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JVR is an RFA next year
if they sign Stamkos they will have no room for JVR….He was pretty impressive in the playoffs.
I know it's baseball, but...
…can Omar Minaya and Steve Phillips combine to be the rear end of this Douchetron monster you speak of?
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by CharlieIsles on Jun 29, 2011 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Must you pick Mets GMs?
There are worse GMs in baseball, you know….right…?
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Holy tampering, Batman
How are teams getting away with leaking this crap to reporters?
All this “I’m told” B.S…
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teams aren't?
Guys on twitter are throwing out insane theories to get popular/followers quick. When it doesn’t happen, most people forget and don’t drop them as “sources” or rumors
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But some of these are reporters talking to people in the organization
I think if the “source” is far enough from the GM, it’s plausible deniability.
I just think here’s it’s worse because it’s in the Flyers’ interest to drive Stamkos’ price up.
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but whose
Anthony SanFilipo? just looking back in the comments at who the tweet was originally from.
I mean sure if it gets out and then this guy has ties to the organization it’s bad. We probably need Keith in on this because he follows a lot more of the rumor guys then I do. I’ve never heard of him before.
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He's the Flyers beatwriter for one of the Philly burb papers
Daily Times or something?
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Stamkos worth 4 first rounders?
I think he is for the marquee value – certainly there’ll be a bump in attendance worthy of paying the man that much over that long a time. I also think that signing him makes them better short term…
HOWEVER:
If I am Stamkos I have to seriously look at the affect such a deal would have upon my new team.
What do the Flyers care about 1st rounders?
They haven’t used them in a while anyway
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Wiz' rights traded to CBJ for 7th round pick
Vote Yes on August 1st.
Hate to get all IPB on eveyone but
Contrast WIz’s reaction with Ehrhoff’s silence:
“Just spoke with James Wisniewski, he’s “excited about Columbus trading for his rights! He said that he’s happy that team believes in him”"
by DP'sknee(andhipandflubugandotherknee) on Jun 29, 2011 3:17 PM EDT reply actions
I'm pretty sure he gave a similar line everywhere he has gone
Vote Yes on August 1st.
This
Wiz still wants Top Pairing money that he’s Just Not Worth.
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met an Isles fan out last night
asked him if he read this site, he kept talking about how great IPB is, I tried to convince him this one is better forgetting that you can’t convince people who read IPB of anything if its not negative.
"It's a good thing the Islanders spent the offseason compiling organizational depth on the blueline. Because, yes, they're losing defensemen almost as rapidly as they're losing games."
LOL
I’m embarrassed for myself for how long I read IPB before i found this place
its still worth reading
As long as its not your ONLY info source… and you take the comments section for what its worth (nothing).
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by TheMetalChick on Jun 29, 2011 5:25 PM EDT up reply actions
NYI point blank
it is botta’s interviews and his contacts to interviewees that give his site strength…without that, botta would have been offline long ago. love the interview segments, but I do not consider Botta a hockey man, not even close. He is an avid fan, but does not have a hockey mind, not even close.
by CanadianIsleslifer on Jun 29, 2011 5:36 PM EDT up reply actions
My personal opinion on Botta
(and it’s definitely not a professional one) is that he still is an Islander fan, so he keeps the blog going, but he’s still incredibly bitter about having his credentials pulled—how could he not be?
by sayvillelax94 on Jun 30, 2011 12:50 AM EDT up reply actions
that seems dubious
He worked for the Isles for a long time in PR and communications; he has to know his stuff to be able to do that job. It’s a natural step for him to then become a hockey journalist. Just because he and the Isles are currently on the outs doesn’t mean that he doesn’t have a “hockey mind.”
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Try telling him how bad we blow and what idiots we are
It’s the Howard Stern theory on LHH.
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by Dougtone on Jun 29, 2011 5:45 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
I'm Commander Shepard
And this is my favourite Islanders blog on the internet
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by Semi_Colon on Jun 29, 2011 7:46 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
awwwwww
You guys are makin’ me blush.
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Wiz is also on our time zone right now
I don’t know, I’m not going to read anything into anything when we’ll know within 24 hours or so anyway.
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NO WORRIES!
They found Ehrhoff in a Polish motel with a couple of hookers sleeping his post Stanley Cup bender off…
Bwahaha...it's like being in a time machine with this Wiz shit...where is that Ananheim article...
Steph Greegor
greegor23 Steph Greegor
Instant fan favorite. #BadBoy MRT @Bryan_Vehonsky Wisniewski suspended 2 games for making “obscene gesture” to Sean Avery…like already
25 seconds ago
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The irony of Wisniewski...
…playing for a team sometimes referred to as the BJs is amazing.
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by PGI on Jun 29, 2011 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
Botta
“Writing more later, but #Isles should not let Ehrhoff think the door remains open July 1. If he says no, move on to bigger gets.”
Can anyone take a shot at writing that post now?
by DP'sknee(andhipandflubugandotherknee) on Jun 29, 2011 3:43 PM EDT reply actions
uhm...
I completely disagree with this. Why wouldn’t we pursue him for as long as we have a chance? If he signs today or July 10th makes no difference. Honestly, that’s a silly and short-sighted thing for Botta to have said.
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I think you say here is the offer
It is this, once July 1st rolls around we won’t offer this anymore.
Pressure him to sign before he can go elsewhere. Say thye are offering 6 mil per season, but once July 1 hits drop it to 5.5.
Need a reason to sign before July 1, or he will just walk to Detroit.
by Ratman44 on Jun 29, 2011 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Even if he doesn't and threatens to go somewhere else for a chance to win
he may expect that we up the ante
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And upping the ante would be
…the WORST thing Garth could do for future negotiations. Whether Hoff signs or not is not even close to as big of a deal as the reputation that would come with upping the ante after July 1st. There are bigger fish to fry. This is not the time to go all-out. Isles aren’t quite there yet, either way.
by North Dakota Red Eagle on Jun 29, 2011 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Exactly
Can’t be done now…the only way you get this guy now is in a signing where it is publicized it is less than the original offer.
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Because we don't want to get into a bidding war with anyone either
What id he decides to pit us against FLA to get up to 8 mill? We just have to look like the door is closed. not actually close it. I agree with it. Once we (who are possibly the most able to spend) are out of the running, he becomes cheaper.
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Speaking of twitter...
did anyone notice that Moulson’s Brother’s in Law (huh, really?) profile pic is him “stopping” a Backhand of Justice? Clearly he’s making an early pitch for the HoF, and I guess he knows it’s not going to get better than this. (Unofficially, this was Moulson’s wedding present to Quick – he asked Frans to show some mercy. Frans did. I’d fear what he’s going to ask for in return.)
http://twitter.com/#!/JonathanQuick32
I refuse to believe he saved that shot
A-B-C blackout.
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I refuse to believe he saved that shot
I refuse to believe MM has a brother in law.
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by TheMetalChick on Jun 29, 2011 5:26 PM EDT up reply actions
I thought someone here had that as an avatar
and it went in (Seriously). I was going to ask him if he photoshopped the puck going into his glove, but figured that would be rude.
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Weird thing is I thought it was MY avatar and I was like, "WTF is Quick doing with my avatar?"
I don’t even have a twitter account.
Yes
yours is the one I was thinking of…but obviously,that isn’t it.
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Moulson
busted his chops plenty about no picture existing of Quick stopping Moulson. Someone looked it up and Moulson was 100% this year taking shots on Quick.
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And these bigger gets
are…..?
There’s really no one out there that would qualify as a big get. Years like this are generally speaking, good to avoid, because the general high end for salaries doesn’t change, you’re just getting less of a return.
Of course, not exactly important for the Isles, but point being, there ain’t a whole lot out there.
Roli stays in TB
Bob McKenzie
TSNBobMcKenzie Bob McKenzie
As per @TSNRyanRishaug, Roloson signs in Tampa, one year, $3M.
1 minute ago
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by Keith Quinn on Jun 29, 2011 3:44 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Kariya retires
Sean Leahy
Sean_Leahy Sean Leahy
Paul Kariya announces retirement theglobeandmail.com/sports/hockey/… via @globeandmail
15 seconds ago
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And goes down firing about head shots
Wonder how many people realize Kaleta was his final concussion?
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Story
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/sports/hockey/paul-kariya-announces-retirement/article2080412/
Quote:
Seth Rorabaugh
emptynetters Seth Rorabaugh
by JapersRink
Kariya: You have best player in the game playing on a the same team as a guy (Cooke) who is ending guys’ careers with those kinds of hits.
10 minutes ago
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by Keith Quinn on Jun 29, 2011 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Bummer
I remember a few years ago when Kariya came back after an injury for the Blues. I watched one of the games on TV – he looked awesome – I was sure he was going to have a huge year, then he got hurt again early in the season. Such a shame. That guy was a great player.
Fuck
T @KatieStrangNYI: Talks broke down between #Isles and Christian Ehrhoff; email sent out from #Isles end to other teams.
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Sorry guys
:(
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We want a return!
We have the receipt! We didn’t read the fine print!
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Well, that was a fun 20 hours
I got a lot done today — no really, I swear.
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by Dominik on Jun 29, 2011 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Seriously
and I’m missing the fucking presser now…god dammit!
EHRHOFF!!!
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You had him one day and you got to say “god dammit EHRHOFF!”. It’s like leasing a drinking game rule.
Sorry guys, glad you got your fourth pick back.
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by Yankee Canuck on Jun 29, 2011 9:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Thanks
that was impressive…Garth is gangsta…now if we beat Buffalo in the standings, we win on this deal…beauty!
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Alls not lost...
Garick didn’t want him anyway… so it’s like a good thing.
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by JPinVA on Jun 29, 2011 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I'm not overly concerned
I thought our D was good enough going into the season
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besides
There are still 31 or so hours left to get a deal done. I don’t think that it’s the last word.
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What this has changed for me
Is I’m now assuming Garth is going to swing for a top 4 d-men in UFA again. Can’t say I’m as moved by his remaining options, though.
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I hope
that he isn’t under orders to make a big FA signing given the Arena deal.That would worry me.
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Aye
That’s crossed my mind. Not sure how much is “we have to get to the floor anyway” motivation and how much might be areener-related. I found myself during this negotiation having flashbacks and hoping Wang isn’t in the room saying, “Well just make it ten years then.”
The hard part is just not knowing which smart bigger fish you might land this summer, so if you have to spend X, you don’t want to get stuck taking on someone’s poo. Ehrhoff was going to be overpaid, but at least he adds something significant.
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Guh fuck
KatieStrangNYI Katie Strang
Talks broke down between #Isles and Christian Ehrhoff; email sent out from #Isles end to other teams
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This is the price of D these days?
TheFourthPeriod David Pagnotta
Early indications are the Blue Jackets have an excellent shot at signing Wizniewski. Told ballpark deal could be 5-years, $5.2M-$5.5M per.
Holy fucking shit. Really?
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That would be ridiculous
Patience will prevail, if not...
There's no way
If Columbus Signs him to that, he’s going to bounce around the league more then he already does.
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wiz, the gift that keeps on taking
If he’s signing for that sort of scratch, then Erhoff could approach $6.5, 7 mil. Thanks James.
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I remember last summer being confident we could use Wiz for a year
Then let him discover no one will pay him like a #1 when he can’t play like a #1.
Yada yada yada, cap goes up again, crazy time hits late-June, and everyone goes bonkers, including the Isles.
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Got My Hopes Up
Why would i have thought that he would have signed, just a crazy optimist i guess, dont you have to be that way as an Islanders fan?
Dehaan more likely to make this team now, or will it just be Eaton and Mottau ?
Patience will prevail, if not...
That one I never believed
Patience will prevail, if not...
I'd think they might pick at a few other free agents first
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Snow...
…maybe some day he’ll actually close a deal for once. Oh wait…sorry, let’s praise him for being ‘bold’ again…
Streit, Roloson, Moulson, Parenteau, Wisniewski, Eaton, Mottau, Biron, but hey, I guess you have a point.
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by Mark D on Jun 29, 2011 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Well Put
Patience will prevail, if not...
Plus
I see the Islanders coming from a position of strength.
The addition of Erhoff would be nice, and might give one of their younger guys more time on the farm. But as long as there aren’t any injuries we have a good top 4 in Sterit-Anyone MacDonald-Hamonic. Then we have two vets who can have good seasons if they are healthy (Eaton, Mottau) and a lot of youth in De Haan, Wishart and Katic. Plus Jurcina.
I don’t think Snow needed to break the bank to bring in Erhoff, it was just a calculated risk. Erhoff probably wanted too much or a contender, so be it. I’d rather not find out in a few years that Erhoff’s contract is costing us an upcoming RFA
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Yep, he's definitely never signed anyone before
It’s like he doesn’t know how to write his own signature or something. Very odd.
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Sure
A track record of offering free agents (excluding Kovalchuk, who was never in the picture in reality) more than they got, yet they still chose elsewhere. You think that’s on Snow’s ability to “close a deal,” or maybe their free choice to go elsewhere?
I think even a realistic offer to Ehrhoff was going to be too much; if he’s opposed, I sure don’t want them going to 10 years or whatever to change his mind.
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You can't seriously be including Kovulchuck in that discussion
That was a big “what if” story. There were never any actual serious discussions about signing him.
As far as the other guys go…I’m not exactly sure how that’s Snow’s fault. He threw incredible amounts of money at Martin, Michalek, and told Smyth he’d be the cornerstone of the franchise. Those guys walked because they wanted to play somewhere else. Not because Garth couldn’t close the deal. What Snow has done to turn this team around is extraordinary.
by rosey7 on Jun 29, 2011 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Also
The Islanders were just about the only team in the league with the cap room to give him a 10 mill salary, and the ability to afford such a salary. So some of it was Kovy’s agent trying to play NYI off of the Devils after the Kings realized Kovy was never going to sign there.
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Yes, a track record...
…of turning under-the-radar signings into productive NHL players. Twenty-nine other GMs in the league would love to have that track record. How many Grabner’s get plucked off the waiver wire every year?
"It's too bad he lives in the city. He's depriving some small village of a pretty good idiot" - Mike Milbury on Ziggy Palffy's agent Paul Kraus during Palffy's contract holdout in 1998.
…and a track record of bottom 5 finishes.
He hasn’t make 1 FA signing that wasn’t from someone who wasn’t ‘desperate’ or under team control. This is an absolute fact.
See also
Edmonton, Florida, Atlanta, Colorado, Columbus…all of those teams are dealing in trades for players and picks…none of them have had big FA signings while they are bad….bad teams don’t pick up FAs
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It may be time to replay "waiver pickup lines"
It may need some re-writing since the trades and other moves.
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OK, so, what do you think Snow should do differently to get these big FA signings?
If you’re so sure it’s Garth’s fault that he can’t close the deal with these big free agents, what do you think is the solution?
I don’t mean to be snarky, I just think that it’s really easy to sit here and say “Snow has a problem closing the deal with Free agents.” When in reality, it’s a lot more difficult that just throwing money at a player and saying how great it is to play on Long Island.
by rosey7 on Jun 29, 2011 4:38 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Wear a fake mustache and glasses
All Who Oppose Grabner Shall Perish.
by pippup on Jun 29, 2011 4:39 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Rome wasn't built in a day.
We may be in the box, but you get the penalty.
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Yes it was
saw it on Nat Geo
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LOL
The Lego rendition of Rome even took longer than one day!
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Haha
Well, look, in the NHL, there are really only a few things that you can negotiate with, money, length, 1/2way, and aren’t the bonuses standard? I mean, what can he actually do to CLOSE a deal anyway other than play around with length or $…I would assume that was done within parameters…like all teams have, and that apparently, we have expanded beyond the scope of many others.
I’m just pissed we didn’t get him, not at anything in particular…other than that sniveling selfish jerk Ehrhoff…I hope we play him this year.
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Bonuses
In fact, they can’t even offer bonuses except on ELC’s and 35+ veterans (or rare exceptions of players who have been on IR forever).
So yeah, there are limited carrots you can toss out without killing your flexibility.
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I meant like NHL standard bonuses though
for like Hart?Vezina etc.
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Nicht nicht
Ist verboten.
Performance Bonuses shall be allowable under this Agreement only for:
(i) Players with Entry Level SPCs under Article 9 of this Agreement;
(ii) Players aged 35 or older as of June 30 prior to the League Year in which the SPC is to be effective, who have signed a one-year SPC for that League Year; and
(iii) Players who are “400-plus game Players” for pension purposes, and who: (i) in the last year of their most recent SPC, spent 100 days or more on the injured reserve list; and (ii) have signed a one-year SPC for the current or upcoming League Year.
Lighthouse Hockey: A flute with no holes is not a flute. A Dane with no holes is Frans Nielsen.
But he did
Get 4 games for a late hit…
"Playin hurt, baby that don't faze me. I don't got time for pain. The only pain I've got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is!"
Yes, he is a great GM.
He took a team with no depth, horrible contracts, and a stigma that kept any and all players away (which we are clearly still fighting), and managed to build a strong young core, develop a very solid depth chart, and make incredible scrap-heap finds that have turned into All-Stars….all on a minuscule budget.
Yes, they have had bottom 5 finishes the last few years, but this takes time. A lot of time when you start as low as the Islanders did.
by rosey7 on Jun 29, 2011 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Great…..and once they start giving out the Stanley Cup for taking a team with no depth, horrible contracts, and a stigma that kept any and all players away (which we are clearly still fighting), and managing to build a strong young core, develop a very solid depth chart, and make incredible scrap-heap finds that have turned into All-Stars….all on a minuscule budget….We’ll be all set….
Until then, I’ll go with 4 bottom 5 finishes & not being able to give their money away…
You understand that is part of the progression right?
I mean, who starts from “a team with no depth, horrible contracts, and a stigma that kept any and all players away” and goes to “cup winner” or even “playoff team” in less than 3 years? Can you name one? I can’t.
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They were dead though no?
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Danny Glover was a terrible manager
He only signed dead guys and kids that were desperate.
"It's too bad he lives in the city. He's depriving some small village of a pretty good idiot" - Mike Milbury on Ziggy Palffy's agent Paul Kraus during Palffy's contract holdout in 1998.
Ok, fine, no sense having a sophisticated debate with a bitter fan who will never be happy even when we do win the Stanley Cup
To claim a GM is either good or bad in black and white terms such as winning the Stanley Cup vs. finishing in the bottom 5, then we have nothing to discuss. It is SO MUCH MORE COMPLICATED than you are making it.
I would argue that the Tampa Bay Rays GM who took a similarly dreadful team that was driven into the ground by bad management, and turned them into a perennial contender is a great comparison. It didn’t happen the first few seasons, but you better believe he was touted as being a great GM, even when his team was still finishing last.
by rosey7 on Jun 29, 2011 4:58 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Err, not so fast.
The point is that it’s easy to amass strong young players through the draft when you’re always finishing at the bottom of the league. That is what the Rays did — and it is what the Islanders are (hopefully) doing.
But that isn’t a sign of being a good GM. It’s got to be something else.
Definitely a good point.
I didn’t mean it so cut and dry. I see them as a parallel because they had the common sense to choose the right players when they were given those high picks. But also, they made smart under-the-radar- free agent signings, and new which of their prospects to hang on to, and which to trade. I’m a big Yankee fan, but I was always thoroughly impressed with what the Rays did, and I have always seen them as the model for what the Islanders hopefully are becoming.
The key for me is, it’s not particularly clear whether the Isles have made good picks yet.
Tavares was a no-brainer. Okposo, OK. Bailey — OMG.
For the same reasons, you can’t really give the Isles too much credit for their waiver wire reclamation projects, since they get first dibs b/c so terrible. But points for keeping MM and Grabner on contract, I guess.
Major, major demerits for the 15-year suicide pact with DP. (Cue the excuse brigade.)
I think the best thing you can say about Garth right now
is he’s leading them down the proper path at least. Not over paying for any UFA that will come here just b/c they will come. He’s taking advantage of the draft and stock piling picks.
He realized after 07 that there were 50 open spots, and he used every low risk way to fill them possible (waivers, the draft). And he’s maintaining their roster flexibility w/ low-cost, low term FAs (Eaton, Jurcina).
But to go from completely shitty to promising is a nice first step. Eventually to get UFAs or “the next piece” they’ll need to win. If that doesn’t start this year, I’ll be pretty disappointed.
I’d love for him to come up with a better plan for goalie than Al Montoya, RDP and Poulin. Can/will Nabokov play for us?
"It don't make you a bad person" - Ron Bennington
I’m not saying he is doing a particularly bad job, but is this really right?
Not over paying for any UFA that will come here just b/c they will come.
It seems like he is sort of trying to overpay, at least in select cases — and they still ain’t coming.
I think he is paying more, but within reason
If 5.8 a year is what he offered, that isn’t that much (for a guy who thinks he deserves a lot). From the sound of everything that has come out in the past, it doesn’t sound like he’s throwing Sather money at people either.
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exactly what I was trying to say. Thanks Keith.
"It don't make you a bad person" - Ron Bennington
Seems like a lot to me
for a guy who’s suspect in his own end. I’d rather have Brewer at $4.5 mil. and let the offensive slack get picked up elsewhere.
If they were the same age, maybe
But Brewer is coming off three years of debilitating back issues and is, what, four-five years older?
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True that, but he was solid in post season
Don’t forget, we’re getting Streit back (a big offensive boost for pp) and were contenders in the 2nd half last season without Streit. I’m hoping we land a top 4 defensive D.
The Hoff rejection has us all “man I really wanted that Pluto role” a la Swingers.
Yes, I need to re-define that
meant competed. If you use Dec 21st. and on (cherry pick a date), our record would’ve gotten us close or into the playoffs.
Also should see organic improvement based on our youth (or youts) being a year older/more experienced. Can’t wait til they all hit that sweet spot of 27 years of age.
Are there any top 4 defensive D UFAs?
by DP'sknee(andhipandflubugandotherknee) on Jun 29, 2011 5:34 PM EDT up reply actions
I actually think Brewer was solid all year long
But every time he absorbs a hit I wonder if this is the one that sends him back to the chiropractor for three years.
Lighthouse Hockey: A flute with no holes is not a flute. A Dane with no holes is Frans Nielsen.
Look at the Pens
The Pens were dreadful for how many years…then they got Malkin, then Crosby…now they are good to go, as long as they are healthy that is
if thats what you believe...
i think you’d have more fun rooting for the pens because you being a ‘debbie downer’ here is getting old real fast
Maydog, who were last summer's premier free agents and where did they sign?
Pittsburgh…Vancouver — contenders.
You can fault Snow for not having a contender, I suppose, but faulting him for not “closing the deal” on the handful of select free agents each year is divorcing the situation from its context.
I’d venture people use “bold” in the context of “taking drastic steps (i.e. overpayment offers that cannot be a habit) to boost the team out of its current situation.”
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Thanks
Who cares where they come from? Snow/Wang decided to rebuild from the ground up after Smyth walked for less money in 2007. That means getting help from wherever you can find it. The fact that he’s gotten two 30-goal scorers, a 20-point scorer, and an All-Star defenseman, while stocking the farm system with talent, is extremely commendable.
"It's too bad he lives in the city. He's depriving some small village of a pretty good idiot" - Mike Milbury on Ziggy Palffy's agent Paul Kraus during Palffy's contract holdout in 1998.
by PGI on Jun 29, 2011 4:45 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I'm not blaming him for this one.
This guy is now the top D available in the FA market, and apparently Ehrhoff wants both the most $$$ AND to sign to a contender. The only way the Islanders finally bust this stigma is to build a contender…and a key way to build a contender is through FA acquisitions. Man, what a fucking catch-22.
Official choice of Lighthouse Dog #1.
Isles will be okay this season
Above average forwards, around average D. The wildcard is goaltending.
by North Dakota Red Eagle on Jun 29, 2011 4:33 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't feel comfortable with Mottau on the ice
If we’re icing
AMac/Hamonic
Streit/Jurcina
Mottau/Eaton
I still think we need someone in the Top 4 range. Ehrhoff would’ve filled that spot, but oh well, c’est la vie.
Official choice of Lighthouse Dog #1.
I was looking only at guys penciled in with contracts for next year
I think a bottom pairing of Jurcina/Wishart would be pretty awesome actually, but then I don’t want Mottau/Eaton with Streit.
Official choice of Lighthouse Dog #1.
I think if you go
Streit/Hamonic
Amac/Jurcina
Eaton/Wishart
you’re in pretty good shape. Mottau as the 7th guy and the kids at Bport waiting for a shot.
I like Wishart over Motteau
…but it is debatable. Was Wishart playing top-4 minutes at all last season, or was Isles D healthy by then? Either way, he didn’t look out of place, and he looked more comfortable in the last few games. Right now I’d bet on Eaton/Wishart as the 3rd pairing.
by North Dakota Red Eagle on Jun 30, 2011 10:17 AM EDT up reply actions
Yawn....
Better yet, let’s criticize him for situations he has absolutely no control over….. I guess we COULD fault Snow for not turning this into an armed hostage situation….. It really amazes me how many Islanders fans just don’t “get it”…… Seriously…. If you are anything less than impressed with what Snow has done as GM, and you honestly believe that there is ANYONE who could do a better job in his situation……… Well, you really haven’ given the subject a whole lot of thought……
by H0PPY on Jun 29, 2011 5:30 PM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
I can rec this, and did
but in keeping with my previous complaints about blogs and such who don’t keep up with the Islander times, update your avatar, please.
;-)
STOP effin' messin' with my FnGO!!
by Nova Scotia Isles Fan on Jun 29, 2011 7:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Here's one if you want it
http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/gg186/doubleupagus/nyi-logo.jpg
STOP effin' messin' with my FnGO!!
by Nova Scotia Isles Fan on Jun 29, 2011 9:46 PM EDT up reply actions
So instead you post something snarky because the other player in the deal said no? Is 6 mil per season too low? Should Snow have offered Ehrhoff 10 mil per season just because? Isles fans are finicky pains in the asses.
Hunter said he was just finishing his check.
by Turgeon1992 on Jun 29, 2011 5:34 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
Thankfully this attitude doesnt represent all Isles fans.
Let Us Go, Islanders! (Ever notice how strange that sounds without the contraction?)
by TheMetalChick on Jun 29, 2011 5:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Not the majority of Isles fans on this site.
Hunter said he was just finishing his check.
by Turgeon1992 on Jun 29, 2011 6:01 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
Very true....
I’ve really come to love this site and wish I would have checked it out MUCH sooner…. The MB at the Islanders site , as well as the plethora of other Islanders MB’s I have frequented in the past should be distributing Prozac to the posters…. I understand how easy it is to expect the worse after all we have been through for the past two decades, but some Islanders “fans” (for lack of a better term) are just primed to slag this organization for anything and everything…. Hell, I’m sure there are still some of these people crying about the friggin GRABNER deal….. I just don’t get these people….
by H0PPY on Jun 29, 2011 6:11 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
ahem....POINTBLANK!!!!! ahem excuse me
by backstop87 on Jun 29, 2011 7:14 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
(this is also) very true....
Botta does a great job over there…. In fact, that is how I found my way to THIS site…. I’ve never posted over there though…..
Have some cheese with your whine.
Let Us Go, Islanders! (Ever notice how strange that sounds without the contraction?)
by TheMetalChick on Jun 29, 2011 5:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Weren't you just bitching that this guy reminded you of...
Brent Sopel?
Doesn’t matter the boards, same old Doggy…Sit Uboo, Sit!
by pennst92 on Jun 29, 2011 10:21 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
NHL Live! reports that Islander have broken off talks with Ehrhoff
All Who Oppose Grabner Shall Perish.
Reading above posts...
…all I can think is… get on the bus Christian… not ours… the one we’re gonna steam roll over without you.
This team needs to be 30 guys pulling in one direction. We now have two guys on the team that want to play for Detroit, or some other “contender”… adios.
All that “who-ever ponies up the most cash” bullshit doesn’t matter. They want to be in hockey town, or play for a particular coach, or be where they can get russian strange easier than a big mac… well.. FU.
I said the same thing last year… I will support any UFA’s that come here, but I’m not going to lament the ones that still think this is a circus, or second rate organization. Let them give that money to Blake Comeau and Marty this year to get to the floor. Both of those guys are NEW YORK ISLANDERS!
Where-ever you wind up Christian (does “Ehrh” mean jerk in German?)… stay away from Mr. Streit… next time your ass gets jumped it won’t be by DOUG WEIGHT.
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by JPinVA on Jun 29, 2011 4:20 PM EDT reply actions 5 recs
Perfect
and this attitude needs to be embraced by the fans and players.“The us against the world mentality” helped win the Giants a superbowl
by backstop87 on Jun 29, 2011 7:22 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Can't believe it...
I also was very optimistic…This bullshit has to end at some point. These players turning down more money to play for the Islanders. We are getting better and better and I believe are just goaltending away from the playoffs at this point. This is sickening that we cannot get ANYONE except 3rd/4th liners to sign here still. I credit Snow for trying. The 4th round pick is no big deal, as he has stocked the system back up very nicely. He is staying the course but still trying to get better now at the same time. Maybe we should start offering up some free ‘massage parlor’ visits?
Ridonkulous……
Artem Chubarov
ArtemChubarov Artem Chubarov
An @incarceratedbob source claims the Islanders offered 5.8 million for Ehrhoff. He’s definitely taking 4 to play in Detroit.
2 minutes ago
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Who likes sugar coating? Yum Yum Yum… Botta: The eternal spin doctor
by maydog927 on Jun 29, 2011 4:38 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
wait, what?
Botta has no reason to spin something in the Isles favor
"I bet Calgary wishes they had a backup goalie as their GM" - Pauly C
Contributor to Lighthouse Hockey not sure if I'm the Sniper or the Enforcer.
They aren't
Did you miss the whole him having his SNY credentials pulled?
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Obvious Troll is obvious
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by Fabtraption on Jun 29, 2011 5:01 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Moby in da house
Lighthouse Hockey: A flute with no holes is not a flute. A Dane with no holes is Frans Nielsen.
by Dominik on Jun 29, 2011 5:06 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
LOL What?
You are quite behind the times on the Botta saga.
Let Us Go, Islanders! (Ever notice how strange that sounds without the contraction?)
by TheMetalChick on Jun 29, 2011 5:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Everyone
step back from the edge. The guy wasn’t going to make or break our season. And he didn’t burn down your house or kidnap your kids.
This was a longshot to get a deal done. The guy had no ties to LI and just went to the finals. That’s why it only cost a fourth rounder.
As big a fan as I am, I can admit there is little reason for guys to want to come to Long Island right now. We haven’t won in forever. And while we know this team is getting ready to make the jump, they haven’t yet. And while there might be a new areenar on the way, there isn’t yet.
So let’s chill out. When this team makes the playoffs, and wins a round, and the new areenar is up, this won’t be an issue. If someone still doesn’t want to come, then maybe it’s time to take it as a slight. But until then, I understand why guys don’t want to come over for Garth’s MickeyD’s when the other guy’s waving a dry-aged Tbone.
Things will change, but let’s stop acting like these guys hate the Islanders and their fans, and are personally out to get us.
by afrosupreme on Jun 29, 2011 4:34 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
It's an unwanted stepchild mentality...
Sometimes when you finally find the family that wants you regardless of your embarassing state it’s usually the Manson family.
I’d like Marty back for another year or two… He’s not the Marty of 5 years ago, but he doesn’t have to be. If Wishart breaks through, we’re good. The only thing that makes this desparate is if Streit isn’t ready to come back.
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I don't think that's the majority.
Would’ve been nice to get him, but I also like my defensemen to, you know, play defense.
"It don't make you a bad person" - Ron Bennington
Great quote from the above Botta article
But really now, big friggin’ whoop.
Is anyone paying attention? Because the Islanders have certainly caught the attention of the rest of the National Hockey League.
"(Expletive deleted)! If they’re giving C.E. that much $, how much is Snowy going to offer an impact guy or a star?"
That was a text to Point Blank late last night from an NHL general manager, clearly envious of all of Garth Snow’s cap floor space.
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So
clearly an offer sheet for Stamkos?
by afrosupreme on Jun 29, 2011 4:38 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Clearly!
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Botta is out of his ghord
H says this is good news. He’s as bad as Puck Daddy with his personal spins on everything
Intently glued to every COZO
by Chris McNally on Jun 29, 2011 4:59 PM EDT up reply actions
It may very well be good news
Now let’s say Kaberle would play here for 4 mil. That is good.
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i agree THAT would be good news
but the news of a player whos rights we just acquired turning down our offer is not. if Kaberle signs then you can start writing the ‘good thing we didnt sign ehrhoff’ post.
Intently glued to every COZO
by Chris McNally on Jun 29, 2011 5:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Well, I don't even think he said it was good
he just said it wasn’t awful/big deal…it’s not a big deal. Yesterday, we were fine with trying our hand with the guys we have signed…not feeling like they would be great, but that they would be adequate…so today, we are no worse off than yesterday, except we are down one fourth round, <3% chance of playing in the NHL, pick.
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um....
okay I just read that as heart% instead of less than 3%. The internet has ruined my brain.
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You are not alone
It’s bringing us all down with it.
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Still sucks to be the sorry stepchild of the NHL
by DP'sknee(andhipandflubugandotherknee) on Jun 29, 2011 5:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Doesn't suck it all...it is a saving grace from God on this one...
if this guy is worth 6 mil, how does anyone expect a homer discount on real Isles stars who grew up with team and want to be there in a few years?
any player in their prime knows Isles will be in same building for four more years – probably past that players prime time – - and will be good in a few years….that is when free agents will come
by CanadianIsleslifer on Jun 29, 2011 5:29 PM EDT up reply actions
I couldn't even imagine Ehrhoff signing
he turned down a good deal from a contender and was 48 hours away from being able to chose where he wants to go. He’s in the prime of his career and his stock has never been higher. I mean unless the Isles were offering Brian Campbell money, I didn’t think there was a good chance.
"It don't make you a bad person" - Ron Bennington
This is what makes it weird to me
With the cap in place, he has the choice of either signing for the most money (Isles) or sign for a winner (Canucks), yet he spurned both. Is he expecting to make $6 mil/year AND sign with Detroit? Because that, I don’t think, is going to happen.
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He might, actually — that is the “Rafalski” slot in terms of money that Detroit has allegedly floated.
And by "allegedly" you mean
By someone distant enough to totally not be plausible tampering.
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by Dominik on Jun 29, 2011 5:40 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Bailey still sucks!
:)
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That’s for goddamn sure.
That’s probably why EC didn’t want to sign here.
by AP77 on Jun 29, 2011 4:58 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
mirtle James Mirtle
Habs sign Yannick Weber to a two-year deal.
1 minute ago
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well
thats disappointing, guess we are going to have find that big crease clearing defender now. Are construction cones allowed to play because I hear they are great with taking up space and willing to play on the island.
Seriously though, it was a nice effort, I am guessing the offer is still on the table, he will probably sign else where and once again we will be searching for B type signings to make it up to cap space, until a new arena is in the ground and we are knocking on the playoffs door.
2012 is not a good year for UFAs
And to be honest, as long as Snow doesn’t now pull a Milbury and trade all the top prospects for a few old has beens so that Isles can make playoffs for a few years and than start rebuilding all-over-again…i am glad this fell through. Snow, don’t do something stupid like pay a guy who although above average, is no star…6 mil a year long term??? Brian Campbell and the Hawk’s fire sale as a result of not teach anyone anything?
by CanadianIsleslifer on Jun 29, 2011 5:25 PM EDT reply actions
Point taken, but
Campbell is still a little different: He was three cap increases ago (and it was over $7 million per, versus under $6 million per now, in an era where that’s even less a % of your cap/budget), and accompanied by several other screws-ups in Chicago (Cam Barker and postmarked Q.O.s for the win).
You can also argue that at least Chicago got a Cup for their troubles (that’s not my thinking, but I get those who think it was all worth it).
Anyway: The challenge here is that since the union keeps triggering the escalator to boost the cap in spite of itself, and since teams increasingly re-sign their own before they hit the UFA market, there are fewer and fewer ways for the Isles to reach the floor, but every route probably involves overpaying someone. Like you said, this year’s UFA market is really poor (seems like it gets poorer each year).
I kind of like that they at least took a shot on a player with significant upside; the options for improving via external additions are only going to get tougher, and may involve overpaying bottom-six forwards and even less exciting defensemen. Almost wonder if they’ll have to do a Comrie and just totally blow a chunk of money on an average guy for one year.
Maybe one way out is to do Nielsen’s extension this summer, which might goose the numbers enough after Bailey/Comeau/Wishart are extended.
Lighthouse Hockey: A flute with no holes is not a flute. A Dane with no holes is Frans Nielsen.
this is what i was thinking with Jovo
overpay for one year or two.
by CanadianIsleslifer on Jun 29, 2011 5:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Could be. I guess he fills the appetite for big and mean
But I really think he’s a washed up shell with a big bark, small bite.
Lighthouse Hockey: A flute with no holes is not a flute. A Dane with no holes is Frans Nielsen.
i’d still take a chance with a 1 year deal.(despite his cheapshot onJT)
by Lakewood Islander on Jun 29, 2011 6:10 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I'd rather give someone like Belanger 1 yr $5M than give Ehrhoff 5 years 36M
if you’re resigned to overpaying, might as well not commit to it for extra years.
"It don't make you a bad person" - Ron Bennington
That'd work, i think
Especially if you could give someone like that in one year what he’s likely to make in two or three.
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Life has s..... as a Islander fan ever since game 5 of the 1984 Stanley Cup Finals
It really is amazing how faithful our fans are despite all the nonsense we get from players not wanting to play on Long Island .
From 1995-2008 I couldn't blame them, now I just think those players are missing out.
LET’S GO ISLANDERS!
"It don't make you a bad person" - Ron Bennington
by Pauly C on Jun 29, 2011 5:36 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I agree, other than 2001-2004… those were good (albeit, limited) times.
Let Us Go, Islanders! (Ever notice how strange that sounds without the contraction?)
by TheMetalChick on Jun 29, 2011 7:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh well.Another overrated UFA has spurned us
Another guy who would have made a negligable difference here. Look, going back a few years on this thing, what difference did Drury and Gomes make for the Rags? How about Kariya when he opted for St Louis a few years back? Ryan Smyth in Colorado?
Bobby Holik?
More often than not, who you sign on UFA day doesn’t really make a spit worth of difference once those skates hit the ice. Very rarely does a team wind up better off. Guy gets his money, doesn’t work hard enough for it and rides off into the sunset.
I’ve got your number 2 Defensemen right here!!!! His name is TRAVIS HAMONIC!!!!!
by Chickendirt on Jun 29, 2011 5:40 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
and as most of us posted months back
far too often, too too often, the team that signs the big UFA ends up being the biggest loser….
while the teams that missed out on the big UFA end up being the real winners…
by CanadianIsleslifer on Jun 29, 2011 5:51 PM EDT up reply actions
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Here’s my take. Bad teams and bad organizations have to over pay by a lot to get guys. Simple. Wiz is a good player but 5 mill?? No
4 minutes ago
Ehrhoff -only way he signs with islanders is if they are at 6 million a year bc someone will give him 5. After taxes not that big a deal.
2 minutes ago
Guys want the most money but want great teams if they r good players. Middle range guys between 1 and 3 million will chase cash . I did!!
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Was a time when that was the case for Detriot
Growing up in centreal western Ontario, when i was a young junior Knight of Columbus (long time ago, all the kids joined) we took bus trips once a year to Detroit…at that time it was best building in League, much better than maple leaf gardens. and although detriot was a much farther trip, you could get decent tickets…not so with leafs…
hey, Isles are in New York…when the HAVE a new building, and prospects HAVE developed….the UFA’s will come….if Milbury has taught us anything, it is that there is no short cut….
one observation: it seems ppl who followed closely or worked with Milbury —no names no pack drills -- are the ones who this past year most pushed for that Milbury media moment, still believing big trades are the answer the everything. Bull. just distracts media for a while.
by CanadianIsleslifer on Jun 29, 2011 5:44 PM EDT reply actions
Ehrhoff was useless in the finals
-13 overall in the playoffs. Good I hope he signs with Detroit as the Isles usually beat them anyway.
by rickrays on Jun 29, 2011 5:46 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Ehrhoff to Detroit
Jonathon Ericsson to Isles…. could happen for half the price.
Especially
if we chuck in that really inexpensive goalie
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Hahaha...not Truculence
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Les droits de Maxim Talbot appartiennent aux Maple Leafs. Confirmé.
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It's absurd Garth is expected to overpay marginal players just to reach the cap floor
Good lord what if the Isles didn’t have to pay DP and buyouts for Yashin/Witt? How the heck is Florida going to spend all that money? All the while Detroit pays less money for better talent. The whole system is screwed up.
Darren Dreger
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Retrieving the pick used to acquire Ehrhoff’s rights seems to be the Isles asking price now.
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if they'd given him 5 mil per the expectations woukd be too high
i like ehrhoff,but he did play on vancouver and san jose where he had less pressure than on our young team. i just hope that his issue was greed rather than the organization.it wouldnt help our rep
by Lakewood Islander on Jun 29, 2011 6:04 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
From the comments around the media over the last couple of days
Our rep is on a definitive upswing. Nothing was hurt by this at all…and it may very well have helped in getting the message out that we’re serious and willing. Whatever he thinks is minimal..this team will be on the verge of being really good within 2 years with or without Christian Ehrhoff…who incidentally, none of us even knew or had on our radar yesterday.
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i hope you are right
i think its more likely that snow takes somebodies bad contract just to get to the floor.something druryish.(who wasnt bought out)
by Lakewood Islander on Jun 29, 2011 6:17 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
If we can't make the floor
a bunch of other teams are going to have very serious problems making it…they may end up addressing it earlier than the CBA expiring…which I’m assuming they can since they can obviously change the cap whenever they want.
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I'd rather see them front load a contract for JT than waste good money after bad
Why not rip up that contract for Frans and pay him what he is really worth plus a extension?
They can extend him
but from what I remember, you can’t renegotiate a current contract in the NHL.
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by Keith Quinn on Jun 29, 2011 6:24 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Somehow that extension money should be used to get to the current floor
I’ll have to study the NHL CBA and get back to you.
No, that doesnt seem possible.
Let Us Go, Islanders! (Ever notice how strange that sounds without the contraction?)
by TheMetalChick on Jun 29, 2011 7:07 PM EDT up reply actions
we need a list of players signed for 1 more year that are productive but overpaid.specifically ,large d-men
by Lakewood Islander on Jun 29, 2011 6:22 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
but if no one want to come here what is Garth supposed to do?
Trade for the likes of Wiz again or sign a Eaton type? Garth offered Martin more money and he passed. The Isles already have 6 d-men signed plus TY so how many to they need?
The Isles already have 6 d-men signed plus TY so how many to they need?
Did you see our defense last year?
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by Fabtraption on Jun 29, 2011 7:06 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
OT: Anybody hear that tool on the NHL Network say Gillies didn't belong in the Hockey HOF?
Best part was when he said he was a fan of the Isles growing up. Just shows you can be dumb as a rock on TV and still get paid for it.
shout out
Clarkey was my favorite player growing up. Love the shout out Bossy gives him in his book “The Boss”.
by Katzenhammer on Jun 30, 2011 8:26 AM EDT up reply actions
Montreal trades negotiating rights for the Wiz....
to Columbus for a 7 Pik!!!!! which becomes a 5 pik if he signs!!!!! Did Snow get rolled in the Hoff deal?
No, less suitors for Wiz
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A #4 is a long shot
A #7 is a no shot. It will be interesting to see how much more Hoff gets compared to Wiz. Then we can decide in real terms if the Isles overpaid.
no
Ehrhoff > Wiz.
Let Us Go, Islanders! (Ever notice how strange that sounds without the contraction?)
by TheMetalChick on Jun 29, 2011 7:06 PM EDT up reply actions
unfortunate...
shame ehrhoff is waiting for friday and wanting to go somewhere else. i can’t hold it against him. we’ll see what happens friday.
"son of a bitch i'm sick of these dolphins"
- Steve Zissou
we got a 4th from buffalo for his rights
"It's a good thing the Islanders spent the offseason compiling organizational depth on the blueline. Because, yes, they're losing defensemen almost as rapidly as they're losing games."
by ArsenalLI on Jun 29, 2011 7:42 PM EDT reply actions 3 recs
It's a good thing
You guys bough the warranty!
"Playin hurt, baby that don't faze me. I don't got time for pain. The only pain I've got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is!"
by Semi_Colon on Jun 29, 2011 7:51 PM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
missing a t
"Playin hurt, baby that don't faze me. I don't got time for pain. The only pain I've got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is!"
Nothing like a no questions asked return policy
STOP effin' messin' with my FnGO!!
by Nova Scotia Isles Fan on Jun 29, 2011 7:58 PM EDT up reply actions
This is worth several recs
who’s with me
STOP effin' messin' with my FnGO!!
by Nova Scotia Isles Fan on Jun 29, 2011 7:58 PM EDT up reply actions
I was actually referring to Semi's funny, but wutevah
STOP effin' messin' with my FnGO!!
by Nova Scotia Isles Fan on Jun 29, 2011 9:49 PM EDT up reply actions
link
"It's a good thing the Islanders spent the offseason compiling organizational depth on the blueline. Because, yes, they're losing defensemen almost as rapidly as they're losing games."
wow messed that up
"It's a good thing the Islanders spent the offseason compiling organizational depth on the blueline. Because, yes, they're losing defensemen almost as rapidly as they're losing games."
Well, that improves things
Good to have it back.
Watch this fourth rounder turn out to be a Norris Trophy calibre Dman in a few years. LOL
That's awesome. Well played Garth.
Make the splash, take the K, and get the pick right back.
On a side note, Buffalo is DETERMINED to spend money. Wonder what they offer Ehrhoff. Any guesses? I’m saying 6 years, $39M
"It don't make you a bad person" - Ron Bennington
No harm, No foul
No Ehrhoff, either, which kinda sucks. I don’t think he signs with Buffalo, either. But who knows?
"It's too bad he lives in the city. He's depriving some small village of a pretty good idiot" - Mike Milbury on Ziggy Palffy's agent Paul Kraus during Palffy's contract holdout in 1998.
We just helped our competition which isnt good
I guess Garth is doing his best to make this team better with what he has…I hope the “areener” gets approved because that will have a huge impact on future FA’s signing here…Until then I cant blame anyone for going elsewhere…
Well, he is more likely to sign with Buffalo
assuming they pony up the cash.
Buffalo has a track record of smart management getting a lower payroll into the playoffs and now that they don’t have a penny-pinching owner they could see a run for 1st (with all the right additions).
If he doesn’t want to sign with them…then it’s Detroit all along.
"..."
by Thaddeus Ballpheasant on Jun 29, 2011 9:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Ehrhoff prolly was already diluted by the Vancouver media
They trash the Isles all the time and Im sure he heard all of it…The Islanders are a circus in their eyes and thats not gonna change until they start winning and forcing respect…
by KO21 on Jun 29, 2011 8:37 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Hamhuis.
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by George E. Ays on Jun 29, 2011 9:15 PM EDT up reply actions
This is great....
Snow takes a shot, Erhoff says no and Snow gets a pick back. Let Buffalo overpay for Erhoff’s bloated ego.
On a much more encouraging note,
Garth seems to be speaking more directly to the fans as much as the press of late…..and I really like the familial vibe that’s taking form with this team and its fans……
by ogam5 on Jun 29, 2011 8:44 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Looking at the comments over at Die by the Blade creates a strong sense of deja vu
I think they might be cut and pasting our comments
This may be a nice consolation prize
Vancouver Canucks
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Hmmm…. RT @garrettbauman: CKNW 980 reporting Hodgson, Samuelsson, Schneider for Parise. NO idea if it is true, better wait for TSN.
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Pretty sure it's not true
Parise can’t be traded before arbitration?
"Playin hurt, baby that don't faze me. I don't got time for pain. The only pain I've got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is!"
If incarcerated bob didn't say it
can’t truss it. He really has nailed quite a bit lately.
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by Keith Quinn on Jun 29, 2011 10:30 PM EDT up reply actions
I still call bullshit on him
He didn’t even know why the 69th pick in the draft was being forfeited
"Playin hurt, baby that don't faze me. I don't got time for pain. The only pain I've got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is!"
we have pieces to offer better
not that they would trade him to us.
by Lakewood Islander on Jun 29, 2011 10:03 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Roughly Equivalent to
Hodgson ~ Nino (adv Nino?)
Samuelsson ~ PAP (small adv Samuelsson)
Schneider ~ Poulin (adv Schneider?)
Samuelsson/PAP who cares about? (Compared to Parise.) If it were two very promising prospects for Parise, tough call. Especially considering the cap-friendliness of the prospects in the next few years.
Isles can’t really afford to trade Poulin, whereas Vancouver can afford to trade Schneider.
by North Dakota Red Eagle on Jun 30, 2011 10:36 AM EDT up reply actions
Plus
we’d almost have to pay significantly more than Vancouver, being in the same division.
by afrosupreme on Jun 30, 2011 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions
with money to burn ,why not Jagr?
pitt offering 1 yr 2 mil. lets offer 4 or 5 for a year.play him with jt.i mean,what the hell,right?
by Lakewood Islander on Jun 29, 2011 10:01 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
No, let's do 2 yrs 3 mil each.
Hunter said he was just finishing his check.
by Turgeon1992 on Jun 29, 2011 10:18 PM EDT up reply actions
If Jagr has mentality Isles are looking for
…to influence the younger players, why not? If he’s going to be a distraction, no way.
by North Dakota Red Eagle on Jun 30, 2011 10:37 AM EDT up reply actions
Hot Potato passed onto the Sabres
So we end up trading his rights for a 4th round pick.
In retrospect … This guy … Who is a very good offensive player … Is asking for bucks and term way beyond his true value. More than 10% of a team’s max cap? Someone has a high opinion of himself.
He is by no means what I consider a core player. He’s not even the Aucoin type … when Adrian was in his prime.
Good luck signing him Buffalo … it appears that Ehrhoff is committed to testing the free agency market.
by 19 Isle in NJ 22 on Jun 29, 2011 10:01 PM EDT reply actions
Hoff Potato!
Hoff Potato!
"Playin hurt, baby that don't faze me. I don't got time for pain. The only pain I've got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is!"
by Semi_Colon on Jun 29, 2011 10:15 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Sadly
I sang that like the Wiggles version. Cold Spaghetti, Mashed banana etc.
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by Keith Quinn on Jun 29, 2011 10:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Well....this has been a really entertaining 24 hours to be an Islanders fan
and I’m emotionally burned the fuck out.
Official choice of Lighthouse Dog #1.
Why? This was nothing.
At least Botta didn’t try to milk the story like last July 4th weekend.
Hunter said he was just finishing his check.
by Turgeon1992 on Jun 29, 2011 10:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Excitement, rage, disappointment, bargaining, acceptance
Basically, the Five Stages of Being an Islanders fan.
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by Fabtraption on Jun 29, 2011 10:20 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
acceptance?
whats that?
by Lakewood Islander on Jun 29, 2011 10:48 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
You forgot the stage, "writing fanpost citing some stat metric which proves that Bailey sucks."
I guess the quick 5 is easier to put into a quick reply post.
Hunter said he was just finishing his check.
by Turgeon1992 on Jun 30, 2011 12:02 AM EDT up reply actions
that's just an intermediate phase
A blend of “rage” and “disappointment.”
Next comes “Bailey to Team X for Asset Y” and finally “We should keep him, I guess, he’s a serviceable depth player.”
We may be in the box, but you get the penalty.
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just wait til friday...
the shit storm hasn’t even started yet…expecting the unexpected from garth.
"son of a bitch i'm sick of these dolphins"
- Steve Zissou
The only reason...
that I’m disappointed is that this would’ve improved the team and taken pressure of Streit and the rest of the defense, even if an overpay…that and the fact that apparently there are a few players who still don’t want to play here.
That’s all…
News (and do we think Kypreos actually knows this?)
James Mirtle
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Blackhawks have acquired defenceman Steve Montador from the Sabres in exchange for a seventh round draft pick in either the 2012 or 2013.
Nick Kypreos
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Wonder if #Sabres will match/pass #Isles offer of 6 yrs close to 33M for Ehrhoff’s service. Mr Terrence M. Pegula, welcome to the #NHL
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Have ThoseFuckersAtTSN
Tried to discredit that statement yet?
"Playin hurt, baby that don't faze me. I don't got time for pain. The only pain I've got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is!"
Not yet
Hopefully soon! That was so outstanding! If we were offering him that much, efffffff him.
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by Keith Quinn on Jun 29, 2011 11:20 PM EDT up reply actions
that november losing streak really killed us
people still think our team isn’t ready to contend when were almost there
"It's a good thing the Islanders spent the offseason compiling organizational depth on the blueline. Because, yes, they're losing defensemen almost as rapidly as they're losing games."
by ArsenalLI on Jun 29, 2011 11:22 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Chris Botta
ChrisBottaNHL Chris Botta
If @RealKyper says #Isles Ehrhoff offer was almost 33 for 6, the offer was almost 33 for 6. Kyper is money.
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by Keith Quinn on Jun 29, 2011 11:40 PM EDT up reply actions
If that's true
then fuck this guy.
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by Fabtraption on Jun 29, 2011 11:53 PM EDT up reply actions
YEAH!
If we were richer, he’d still be wit’ cha… Ain’t that some…
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This is how I picture
"Playin hurt, baby that don't faze me. I don't got time for pain. The only pain I've got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is!"
by Semi_Colon on Jun 29, 2011 11:15 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
I'm a sucker for Arrested Development References
rec-ed
"It's a good thing the Islanders spent the offseason compiling organizational depth on the blueline. Because, yes, they're losing defensemen almost as rapidly as they're losing games."
AD the best
but more seriously, I’m starting to wonder if that might not have been close to true.
I don’t understand this self-imposed deadline. It seems like it was basically so he could pick up another fourth if it didn’t work out. I don’t know how I feel about that tactic if that was the case.
by afrosupreme on Jun 30, 2011 12:18 AM EDT up reply actions
Isles trade Ehrhoff rights to Buffalo for forth round pick
We lost nothing on the gamble ESPN
Vote Yes on August 1st.
Opps 19 Isles scooped me
Vote Yes on August 1st.
and Arsenal had the original scoop
Guess I should read all the posts before posting myself
Vote Yes on August 1st.
What Happens if a Team Way Under the Cap Floor Offers Insane Amounts to Various FA's and They All Turn the Team Down?
Can a team be faulted with not meeting the salary cap floor if no one is willing to take the team’s money?
The huge increase in the floor forcing all of the teams far below to throw insane offers around is ridiculous.
I think they have to spend up to the cap floor
on their existing players…I’m not sure what the breakdown has to be, but probably spread out on a prorated basis sounds about right since it then couldn’t be considered a “bonus” for any particular player.
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by Keith Quinn on Jun 29, 2011 11:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Bob McKenzie
TSNBobMcKenzie Bob McKenzie
NHLPA files official grievance over what it believes was improper filing of qualifying offers by NSH to 7 restricted free agents.
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Do we know who those 7 RFAs are yet?
I’m sure Weber isn’t one of them, but still…a man can dream.
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by Fabtraption on Jun 29, 2011 11:58 PM EDT up reply actions
From On the Forecheck
The players involved here are: Sergei Kostitsyn, Nick Spaling, Cal O`Reilly, Matt Halischuk, Chris Mueller, Linus Klasen, and Andreas Thurreson. Stay tuned for further developments on this front, but this ain’t good.
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by Keith Quinn on Jun 30, 2011 12:00 AM EDT up reply actions
Some good ones there
Kostitsyn is one of their best players; I think they’re high on Spaling. Halischuk’s a former Devil. I don’t know much about the minor leaguers… according to the Nashville webiste, Klasen and Mueller were undrafted free agents, probably because they’re undersized. (Klasen’s 5’ 8")
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As a Sabres fan, I think they’ll be able to sign him. The Pegula charm offensive seems to be quite effective. He wants to win the cup next year and thinks he can do it. I certainly hope it’s not 6 million a year. That’s what we like to call Tom Vanek money.
I’d rather sign Keith Yandle for a lower price.
Yeah, seems like Buf ownership has been a nice kick in the ass
I hear you on that money…that’s nuts for him.
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by Keith Quinn on Jun 30, 2011 12:02 AM EDT up reply actions
Let's just hope the Islanders' future success
will give cause for regret…
by Paumanok on Jun 30, 2011 5:53 AM EDT reply actions 2 recs
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May 24, 1980: Tonelli to Nystrom. At long last, the steady build of the New York Islanders from expansion doormat to surprise semifinalist to annual contender reaches the promised land: Buoyed by a late season trade for Butch Goring that gave the team the depth up the middle GM Bill Torrey had been seeking, the Islanders knock off the Philadelphia Flyers in six games.
The victory justified the faith in coach Al Arbour who guided them from their second season to their first Stanley Cup seven seasons later. The Islanders would not be the first expansion team to win the Stanley Cup, but they would be the only one capable of a dynasty.
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May 21, 1981: This time it was much easier. After falling to "only" 91 points in the 1979-80 season, the Islanders returned to their division title tradition, piling up 110 points -- a whole 13 points over second-place Philadelphia.
Between the quarterfinals (where they beat the upstart Oilers in six games) and the finals, the Islanders reeled off eight consecutive wins -- with a four-game sweep of archrival Rangers in between. As they defeated the Minnesota North Stars in five games for their second Cup, their goal difference in the final was a combined +10.
1981-82
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May 16, 1982: Another year, another landslide title. The Islanders won the Patrick Division by a whopping 26 points over the second-place Rangers, and were seven points clear of their nearest competition for the President's Trophy, the still-not-quite-ripe Edmonton Oilers.
A first-round scare against the Pittsburgh Penguins turned in the Isles' favor thanks to John Tonelli's heroics, and a true dynasty was on its way: Past the Rangers in six games, then an eight-game sweep of the Quebec Nordiques and Vancouver Canucks to run away with the Stanley Cup.
1982-83
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May 17, 1983: Not so fast, whipper-snappers. The Edmonton Oilers' steadily rising challenge for league supremacy took them all the way to the finals for the first time, where the New York Islanders summarily dispatched them in a four-game sweep. For the Islanders, the Dynasty was secured. For the Oilers, it was a powerful lesson in where talent ends and the demands of playoff hockey begin.
Four years, four Cups, 16 consecutive playoff series wins (a record that would grow to 19 until the rematch with the Oilers the following year). Mike Bossy scored 60 goals yet again, and Wayne Gretzky became acquainted with Billy Smith's crease.
