Bits: And Some Thoughts On The Future
The entry draft is complete and next up on the Islanders agenda is free agency, the arena meetings, continued RFA signings, the referendum and finally, training camp. It will be quite the busy offseason for the Isles this year.
Stories on the actual draft and draft party should be ready for early in the week, but for now, it looks like we can take solace in another draft full of potential and building blocks for the future. But to recap, here are the player profiles of those drafted in one convenient spot! (Picks 5-8 all included in the Robbie Russo link.)
| Pick | Round | Overall | Selection |
| 1 | 1st | 5 | Ryan Strome, C, Niagara (OHL) |
| 2 | 2nd | 34 | Scott Mayfield, D, Youngstown (USHL) |
| 3 | 2nd | 50 | Johan Sundström, C/W, Frolunda (SEL) |
| 4 | 3rd | 63 | Andrey Pedan, D, Guelph (OHL) |
| 5 | 4th | 94 | Robbie Russo, D, US (Notre Dame) |
| 6 | 5th | 124 | John Persson, RW, Red Deer (WHL) |
| 7 | 5th | 126 | Brenden Kichton, D, Spokane (WHL) |
| 8 | 7th | 184 | Mitchell Theoret, C, Niagara (OHL) |
Maybe it's the social media talking, but the thing I personally am the most excited about with this crop of players is their excitement about being here. I don't remember the previous draft classes looking this (I don't want to say excited again, but) excited and having such great things to say about where they are going and how happy they are about how things have worked out. Several of the current crop have twitter feeds if some of you weren't aware; have a look through them for pictures and comments about the draft and their ummm, excitement. "Dream come true" seems to be a common theme.
[Ryan Strome] [Scott Mayfield] [Mitchell Theoret]
During this story, Katie Strang reported via twitter:
KatieStrangNYI Katie Strang#Isles extend qualifying offers to six: Josh Bailey, Blake Comeau, Micheal Haley, Jesse Joensuu, Dylan Reese and Ty Wishart; Not Jack Hillen
Dylan Reese over Jack Hillen is a bit strange, but Hillen is an RFA and QOs are not due until tomorrow at 5pm Monday. It could mean anything from him signing a longer term deal to the Isles letting him walk as a UFA. We're getting there! [Newsday Article] [Chris Botta's take at IPB]
In a bit of irony, my hopes for the future became a little more sunshiny after reading this Larry Brooks article at the NY Post regarding the future of the NHL as it pertains to revenue sharing, the salary cap and future team structures. [Similar thoughts by Ken Campbell at THN] It is worth the read, because I'll be spewing rainbows, pots o' gold and bowls of Lucky Charms (TM) after the jump. (It's ma-gic-ly delicious!)
It never made the slightest bit of sense the Islanders' minimum payroll would be dependent on the Rangers' revenues or the Hurricanes would have to spend more because the Maple Leafs make more money year after year after year....
....This isn't about the players. Not today, anyway. This is simply about pointing out the way of the future. The cap is going down. Club maneuverability is going to be limited. Mistakes will be far more difficult to erase. Big market fans will prop up the small market franchises...
.....The only way to prevent chaos -- anarchy! -- under a dramatically reduced cap is to effect a rollback accompanied by amnesty buyouts.
This got me to thinking about how smart and proactive Garth Snow has been with how he has structured this team and with how he is managing the Isles finances and cap situation. Let's think for a second about how he has drafted. He has gone for a bunch of "safe" plays with size and upside that have time to develop (Lee, Nelson, Donovan, etc.) and multi-tool players. He has stacked the defense with inexpensive useful veterans like Eaton, Jurcina and Mottau while the prospects develop.
When teams who are up against the cap (when this rollback is initiated based on new numbers) begin to cut players or want to work out deals, Snow is going to be in a tremendous position to deal from a position of strength and deal depth for players that teams can no longer afford. This could help the Isles not only with finances by not comparing them to league-wide revenues (for cap-floor purposes), but by possibly permitting them to participate in revenue sharing. It will limit the spending that the larger market teams can engage in, and level the playing field a bit.
With the way that the kids who are drafted here are reacting, the support and enthusiasm of the current players and the arena proposal in motion, the final component can be some winning this year. When that is done, the Island is going to be a much more appealing resting spot for some players who may be "a piece" or hopefully, "the final piece" to the puzzle and a return to the glory of the early 80s and the obliteration of the doom and gloom of the ownership debacles of the last 20 or so years. That would be one hell of a 40th anniversary present wouldn't it?
The Bits:
Hooray This!
NYIslanders NYIslandersMT @WRHUSports Don't miss full reaction on the #NHLDraft & our interview w/#Isles 1st Rd pick @strome18 inside Islanders Edge 2nite 7-7:30
Islanders at the 2011 NHL Draft (St. Paul,Minnesota) - 06/24/2011 - New York Islanders - Photos
Islanders 2011 Draft Party (Uniondale, NY) - 06/25/2011 - New York Islanders - Photos
Tampa Bay Lightning gets defenseman Bruno Gervais from New York Islanders for future considerations - St. Petersburg Times I hope the end has Bruno misquoted or taken out of context here.
Snapshot of Day 2
*On assessing the picks, General manager Garth Snow deferred to Trent Klatt.
Kirill Kabanov a Surprise Guest at Isles Draft Party | June
Islanders Select Eight Players On Day Two Of 2011 NHL Entry Draft - New York Islanders - News
Second Round Picks Mayfield (34th overall) and Sundstrom (50th overall) Highlight Isles’ Second-Day Haul
The Life Of An OHL Plug [Mitchell Theoret's Blog]
For those interested in the 40th anniversary patch on the right shoulder of the draft pics, we have some pics. [Fanshot]
Visit the team site for a bunch of player interviews from the draft...there are too many to embed and the links don't work exactly right when clipped...they would all go to the first in the series of whatever is currently on the page 1st.
Around the NHL:
Rangers Qualify Callahan, Dubinsky, Boyle, Anisimov, Sauer; Not Gilroy - Blueshirt Banter
Ryan Smyth stuck in limbo - The Globe and Mail
They should trade Smyth to an NHL/AHL plug as far away from home as possible. And when he retires, send that team a compensatory pick.
NHL teams start to think small at draft - 2011 NHL Entry Draft
With speed becoming more important, size was less of a consideration at this year's NHL Entry Draft, where 14 players under 5-foot-10 were chosen.
The winners and losers of the 2011 NHL Draft - Puck Daddy - NHL Blog - Yahoo! Sports
Good timing for four NHL divisions - NHL - Yahoo! Canada Sports
Winnipeg's return to the league opens the door for realignment in 2012, and time zones are the way to go. - National Hockey League news Drastic NHL Realignment in store soon.
NHL draft: Best of the unplucked gems - Buzzing The Net - Junior Hockey Blog - Yahoo! Sports
RJ Umberger talks smack about Filitov | Via Silver Seven Sens
A look at the Entry Draft by the numbers - 2011 NHL Entry Draft
Interesting facts and figures from the 2011 NHL Entry Draft.
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I agree that Reese over Hillen is odd
but do you think we may be shopping Hillen?
I mean Gervais got a buyer and Hillen is quite a bit better than him IMO
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by Jtpdolphins2009 on Jun 26, 2011 11:54 AM EDT reply actions
I don't know
But if you notice, he really wasn’t around for the draft despite being a Minnesota native also, isn’t mentioned in any of the “signing” appearances for autographs or part of the arena appearances (Mottau is???). Who knows, I would like to have him for depth, but Katic, Ness, Donovan and deHaan may have made him expendable. They really can’t qualify him at a rate substantial enough that anyone would take the gamble and give us a pick, so they may be letting him walk.
If you do think about it though, barring injuries (crossing fingers and doing other assorted superstitious things), how much of an upgrade is he over Donovan, Katic, Ness, deHaan, Reese, Wishart, any UFAs or undrafted free agent signings is he as opposed to signing him and letting him sit in a pressbox. It may also mean that we are bringing back Martinek. The previously mentioned are probably the big 6 in BPT at the start of the year and here we have Streit, Amac, Hamonic, Jurcina, Mottau and Eaton…It’s getting crowded and guys are going to be shipped out because there isn’t anywhere for them to play. (See Gervais, Bruno).
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by Keith Quinn on Jun 26, 2011 12:10 PM EDT up reply actions
that is true
it is starting to get crowded, also the fact that Hillen was on a 1-way deal while Reese is on a 2-way deal, could very well have had a lot to do with it
Also we have to see how many of the 6 guys that offered deals to actually accept them, who knows Hillen may somehow end up an Islander still.
James T Paulson
by Jtpdolphins2009 on Jun 26, 2011 12:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Reese and Wishart are the only question marks
and a QO is just the 10% raise for one year right? I need a CBA guy stat!
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by Keith Quinn on Jun 26, 2011 12:26 PM EDT up reply actions
I think so
I think Wishart is going to be very good actually
Reese is nothing more than a depth Dman, we have other guys on the way on D and drafting Mayfield tells me he will be one of the big 6 sometime soon
James T Paulson
by Jtpdolphins2009 on Jun 26, 2011 12:28 PM EDT up reply actions
My hope
Is that he signs a longer term contract with the Islanders. I like his wheels and think he has potential to be very dynamic. Simply cutting him lose doesn’t make a lot of sense, unless there’s an issue we don’t know about.
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by PGI on Jun 26, 2011 1:29 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
I agree.
Maybe I’m overrating him. I think he’s pretty good. He’s so fast and that helps defensively too. He puts pressure on the puck carrier by getting to him quickly and of course he can rush the puck and get it out of our zone when there is no outlet pass available. Not sure I understand it but we’ll find out soon.
my only thought
Reese can clear waivers, Hillen can’t?
"I bet Calgary wishes they had a backup goalie as their GM" - Pauly C
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Yeah maybe
that kind of makes sense, but jeez, to let the better player walk just because the worse one wouldn’t clear waivers seems crazy.
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by Keith Quinn on Jun 26, 2011 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
De Haan probably takes Hillen’s roster spot. Reese will be the emergency injury callup again. So Reese doesn’t need a roster spot, he’ll be in BP till someone’s hurt.
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I would have like to see Hillen back
He was really good in the second half of the season. His speed matched with his offensive made him a valuable defenseman. Perhaps this is a sign that Calin de Haan is on his way?
All Who Oppose Grabner Shall Perish.
I guess it’s because Reese is on a two way contract which gives the club some flexibility. Hillen would only accept one-way.
One way contracts don’t matter though except for Salary. I think the bigger problem is that Reese can clear waivers, Hillen probably can’t.
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I like the KK interview there
He definitely has a way to go with weight and such, but his attitude is finally there.
Yes, the weight thing is concerning but makes me think I could have been a contender!
His hands are gigantic though and his grip is strong as hell. If you take that into account, I would assume he definitely will grow more!
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by Keith Quinn on Jun 26, 2011 12:27 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Exactly
all lopey and goofy
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by Keith Quinn on Jun 26, 2011 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions
That Bruno quote does sound kind of harsh
But I’m thinking he meant it more in the “at least the team I got traded to” is trying to win now, comparing Tampa to, say, another rebuild like Florida or Ottawa
Yeah, me too
He hasn’t said anything stupid or derogatory since…ever. I’m sure he didn’t mean that the Isles weren’t trying to win, just that you are always happy going to a team “in contention”. As much as I have bashed him, he was a quality individual and always did what he could. That type of stuff will always be missed.
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by Keith Quinn on Jun 26, 2011 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Apparently Stevie Y is fond of Garth's previous contributions
We may be in the box, but you get the penalty.
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Bruno
was even nice on twitter, and people have sent him some really, really nasty messages.
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by Mark D on Jun 26, 2011 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
class
we don’t all have it.
"We can't get pushed around," Haley said. "What commentators say about us, that's their job. My job is to try and limit as many people who want to take liberties with our guys as possible."
by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Jun 26, 2011 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Bruno does.
Let Us Go, Islanders! (Ever notice how strange that sounds without the contraction?)
by TheMetalChick on Jun 26, 2011 7:49 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
With all the Bruno scapegoating, I thought there would be more Reese scapegoating.
Reese is a real scapegoat. The guy put a puck or 2 by our goalie this year “himself”. He is a scapegoat if need be, not Gervais who did his job as expected every night he was called upon.
by OzzyFan on Jun 26, 2011 8:11 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
I'm not inclined to interpret it as a criticism of the Islanders.
Bruno’s not a jerk.
That wasnt a slight towards the Isles...I cant believe people trashed him on twitter...What assholes
Bruno was always doing humanitarian contributions…Long Island lost a high class member of the community,,,
by KO21 on Jun 26, 2011 9:44 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
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Just Curious
How would a QO work with Bailey? Does he get a raise above his cap hit with the bonuses included or does it just go up from his base salary.
It's just from the base salary
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Qualifying Offer
You have to offer a QO to restricted free agents in order to retain their rights while you negotiate. “Non-tendered” RFAs become unrestricted free agents.
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Qualifying Offer (CBA)
It doesn’t allow you to copy and paste, but follow this link to the PDF and look at page 30 of the document (page 48 according to Adobe to account for the preamble and such).
It will give you all of the legalese that is too difficult for me to type out. short answer, not sure exactly how that works.
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Anyone know where I can watch old Islander games?
Wanna start watching the 07 platoff series w/ Buff again. Its crazy how much the teams changed since then. TOTAL rebuild
Hulu has some stuff, not sure what exactly
And we did a thread a while back where you can get real old games on iTunes. Aside from that, not sure.
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by Keith Quinn on Jun 26, 2011 2:04 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Reese over Hillen? If that really is the case, that's a problem.
2-way contract or not, having Reese over Hillen hurts our depth a bit and offense from the blueline.
And no contract offered to Konopka? Highly likely he’s not coming back I’d say.
by OzzyFan on Jun 26, 2011 2:44 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
i thought kenopka's value to the team was overrated.
great on faceoffs,but when you need the fo win on the pk he’s the one in the box! little to no offense,below average skater.no real value other than the faceoffs. in terms of fighting value,we will bring back haley(hopefully,he was qualified)and have martin.hamonic showed signs of willingness to step up for his teammates. 2 seasons ago,frans started off great on faceoffs.if he could regain/refine his form,it would cusion the loss of kenopka.jt greatly improved his faceoffs too (if i am not mistaken). bailey needs alot of improvement.rsh is addition by subtraction on faceoffs
by Lakewood Islander on Jun 26, 2011 6:04 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
VERY underwhelmed by the post-draft analysis, especially.....
…..in the 3 NY-area newspapers other than Newsday; Daily News had NO coverage whatsoever, the TImes was barely perceptible and Brooks barely mentioned the team at all, nor was there much online either outside of the Islanders-dedicated sites…..oh well, WE all know what’s what! Keith is absolutely right: Garth has built this team very astutely…..
Nobody releases news on a Sunday
If they released it today, it might grt buried or they would have to add to it anyway. Not that it will be great, but I think you’ll see a ton tomorrow (I hope). TSN and CBC/HNIC barely have anything either. I was surprised too though.
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by Keith Quinn on Jun 26, 2011 3:01 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Also, the team building
I know right! It seems like everybody in the team and in the lower levels is “capable of producing at least 50pts under the right circumstances” which makes them useful and cap friendly for instance like in Pittsburgh where they are overstocked with centers, can you pry Jordan Staal away with Bailey and comeau in a year or two? That upgrades us, helps their cap, makes room on our roster for another impact player, spreads out their scoring, etc. (Not that I want Staal, just first reference point to pop into my head.)
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by Keith Quinn on Jun 26, 2011 3:06 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I don't want that dirty late-hitting sucker punching prick named Jordan Staal. He would give our team an even worse name.
Don’t get me wrong, he is talented, but not the type of guy I want on my team.
Oh come on
I even qualified the WHOLE STATEMENT with:
(Not that I want Staal, just first reference point to pop into my head.)
Like we’ve never had a guy who sucker-punched somebody (or otherwise committed a dirty act)? For god sake if you were a GM, your team would have like 5 guys on it. The Staals are respected throughout the league and by no means would damage the Isles reputation…I can’t even believe you said that out loud.
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This was no way meant as a personal attack if you took it that way, it's just that I'm not a big fan of Jordan Staal.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yeSiafS9n2c
I can’t find the boarding clip he did to his "brother" marc either which was close to deserving a double minor.
He’s known for being a late hitter, and he earns his 50pim+/yr.
I’m not saying he’s Matt Cooke, but I’m not a fan of his “style”.
And if Strome becomes our 2nd line center, or Lee/Nelson pan out as a middle 6 center, I’d much rather Nielsen-Lee or Nielsen-Nelson as our 2nd-3rd centers. Call me crazy, but . And Jordan Staal would be a lot harder to pry then for just Comeau and Bailey, the man is a selke candidate every year while throwing up 20gls/50pts and still young. I’m not saying he’s a bad player at all, I just don’t want him or his playing style on my team. I’ve seen him throw a lot cheapshots in scrums/5-on-5/etc. He is dirty, not Cooke/Burrows dirty, but he’s dirty. Wouldn’t be surprised if he racked up 70-80pim/yr in an isles jersey with how he plays. He’s a great player, but I don’t want him, and it’s gonna cost more then Comeau/Bailey to get him, he’s not worth the price they’d ask. Sorry if my post came off as attacking you, in no way was it meant that way.
"call me crazy, but that's what I'd prefer(not to mention, Nelson/Lee both have J.Staal size and probable similar defensive-abilities.)
Stop it
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No, no personal attack at all!
This is more “in the future” anyway, but Staal is playing a defensive role a lot of the time because classically, he has had Sid & Gino in front of him…he is probably capable of far more in the way of points also. But, no, I’m just breaking your chops because lately you have this paranoia that anyone who’s ever thrown a bad hit would get here and instantly end up suspended for life because he’s an Isle…It’s a little tin-foil hat-ish.
Either way, I don’t find him that dirty, and if he is kind of dirty in favor of our guys, no problem for me. Not going to happen of course, but again, just future food for thought on what we’ll be able to do if some of these guys start to develop as projected…or better.
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Gotcha. And I agree.
I probably was overreacting a bit about J-Staal, but he is a dirty guy. Nothing suspension worthy, but you know the sneaky type. And I too believe he would be a much more potent offensive player in a different role.
Sid's a sneaky little bastard too
You’re saying you wouldn’t want him on your team too? hahaha
by sayvillelax94 on Jun 26, 2011 11:51 PM EDT up reply actions
lol, the player I'll take, the personality I don't like.
That’s pretty much it. A lot of Pens fans think, “people pick on Crosby because they’re jealous of him”, which is sometimes true, but a lot of people actually rank on Crosby because he’s cheap little (insert angry word) that will punch you in the nuts but complain at any chance he can to the refs over sometimes invisible penalties. And that’s why some call him “cry-baby/Cindy/Christy/your-favorite-here crosby”. I don’t do it, but I don’t disagree with it completely.
by OzzyFan on Jun 27, 2011 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
My response to a snippet from the Ottawa Sun
Article Here (where the guy complains about every draft pick they made)
“Ryan Strome said, "I love the colours" when drafted by the Islanders.
Wait ’til he gets to see the lovely decor at Nassau Veterans Memorial
Coliseum …”
The decor has a lovely set of banners.
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by Keith Quinn on Jun 26, 2011 3:44 PM EDT reply actions 6 recs
Their last Cup banner looks as good today as the day it was hung
In 1927.
In other words, screw this guy. How quickly we forget the times when the Senators’ logo looked like the Trojan condoms guy and their best player was Ron Tugnutt.
"It's too bad he lives in the city. He's depriving some small village of a pretty good idiot" - Mike Milbury on Ziggy Palffy's agent Paul Kraus during Palffy's contract holdout in 1998.
by PGI on Jun 26, 2011 8:00 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I found this other strange one
That says the draft isn’t about building teams, but about building hope (Here) It’s pretty much insane…unless you look through their draft history. It almost looks like Milbury worked there. The last “impact” guy they drafted (and kept) was some Spezza guy we gave them in ’01. But this article is about the exact opposite of the philosopphy here, and a complete bastardization of the Bruins approach.
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If you needed another reason to discount that entire article, there's
It makes you wonder why teams invest so much money in scouting, drafting and developing their own talent. How much did the Bruins spend on those 200 players to get the five who helped them win the Cup? Why not let someone else do all that work and just sign good free agents?
I can’t begin to describe what’s wrong with even giving this idea the time of day. Instead, I’ll say:
1. Ask the Rangers, Flyers and Leafs about this strategy and how well it’s worked for them or any other big-spending team.
2. Because unless your team is owned by Scrooge McDuck, there are financial realities like the salary cap and a finite (even for the uber-rich) supply of money.
3. This was written by a paid, professional sportswriter. We see more insightful, thoughtful and constructive analysis everyday on sites like this populated by fans with other day jobs. That’s frightening.
"It's too bad he lives in the city. He's depriving some small village of a pretty good idiot" - Mike Milbury on Ziggy Palffy's agent Paul Kraus during Palffy's contract holdout in 1998.
by PGI on Jun 26, 2011 10:48 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Can you believe a schmuck like that writes for (whatever the hell that is)?
Now that I think about it, it could just be some random Canadian idiot blog. Looks like a news/newspaper blog though.
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by Keith Quinn on Jun 26, 2011 10:54 PM EDT up reply actions
He's the Ottawa Citizen's Business Columnist, apparently
So, not a sportswriter. Still, that’s kind of a silly, amateurish thing to ask.
And it can definitely be said about actual sportswriters.
"It's too bad he lives in the city. He's depriving some small village of a pretty good idiot" - Mike Milbury on Ziggy Palffy's agent Paul Kraus during Palffy's contract holdout in 1998.
Yeah
if he was going to give me monetary facts and figures that supported that it is more fruitful for a team to suck and hold draft parties vs. win the cup and host playoff games, I’d be all for looking at his data. He is basically being a lazy, cart before the horse, dummy.
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by Keith Quinn on Jun 26, 2011 11:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Banners that Ottawa has never seen except when visiting teams with real cup history.
Hunter said he was just finishing his check.
by Turgeon1992 on Jun 26, 2011 11:46 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Maybe a sign that a big UFA/trade is coming?
Currently the defense has Streit, MacDonald, Eaton, Jurcina, and Mottau on one-way contracts and Hamonic on a two-way contract with what nevertheless seems like a pretty solid spot on the team. That’s already 6 NHL contracts before we even start talking about Wishart and anyone else with a two-way deal.
If that’s the end of the story, then signing Hillen still seems like a no-brainer. We know that having 6 NHL defenseman is nowhere near enough, and Hillen would be a great depth signing. But if the Islanders are planning to sign a UFA defenseman (or trade for someone without sending a defenseman the other way), then the blueline will be looking pretty close to filled out without Hillen in the picture. 7 NHL defenseman is pretty close to as many as you really want; 8 starts to get a little excessive, no? (And remember, that 7 number doesn’t even include Wishart.)
So perhaps the decision not to qualify Hillen is a sign that we’re going to be welcoming a new defenseman to the team?
I would be really really really suprised if Garth didn't add a reputable(well-solid nhler) d-man in FA or trade before the season.
We still have a hole in the top 4 of our D, and he is widdling our depth a bit with moving Gervais and possibly not keeping Hillen. I wonder what he’s got up his sleeve.
are you implying he plans on making a serious run at an f.a. or via trade? who is available?
regehr is gone.brewer re-signed. who else?
by Lakewood Islander on Jun 26, 2011 5:19 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
The guys he "could" target "still" come July 1:
All capable top 4 guys:
-Jovocop
-McCabe
-Hannan
-Ericsson
-Montador (possibly)
-Bieksa(for now)
-Ehrhoff (if he doesn’t need surgery/has a healthy shoulder)
-Wiz might even be worth a 2nd try(if given the right role), a PP with Wiz and Streit at the points would be insane.
On the market guys, I have no idea but there is always someone with a bad contract or who their team doesn’t want/can’t afford like Wiz last year. And after that list, there are definitely some borderline 4/5 guys that could fill the role in FA.
This
a PP with Wiz and Streit at the points would be insane
I say we trade him annually for a 2/5 combo.
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by Keith Quinn on Jun 26, 2011 8:10 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Or even better
A Big Mac Combo. We could even upsize the fries.
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by Nova Scotia Isles Fan on Jun 26, 2011 9:52 PM EDT up reply actions
only guys that interest me at all are montador and bieksa.not convinced they are best suited for 1st pair minutes. rather have martinek back for 1 year
by Lakewood Islander on Jun 26, 2011 9:15 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I like none of these guys
I stand by my claim we aren’t making any big signings.
Wiz is never coming back, he was a disruptive force in the locker room.
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Thinking about trades...
I agree with some of the others that the UFA market is looking kind of underwhelming, but the fact is, we need to get to the cap floor and getting a solid defenseman seems like a way to make progress on that goal while making the team better in the process.
In addition to the UFAs mentioned above, then, it might be worth talking about the trade market, where we might be able to take advantage of some of the teams that are bumping up against the cap. A quick look around yields some potential targets on cap-strapped teams, listed below. Of course, I’m not implying that these guys are within the Isles’ reach or that they would be worth the asking price; I’m just throwing them out there as food for thought.
Calgary
Has about $7.5mm in cap space and only 3 NHL-quality defensemen signed — it’s possible that they would be open to trading Bouwmeester in order to spread that money across a few different contracts, particularly if this year’s UFA market for defensemen gets really bid-up. It should be mentioned that the better option for them would probably be to trade a forward — if, that is, they could get around the half-dozen no-trade clauses among that group.
- Jay Bouwmeester (27yo) – 3 yr @ $6.68mm (NTC) – 6’4" 210lbs – 4+20=24pts, -2
Philadelphia
Has about $7.5mm in cap space and presumably wants to sign at least 3 of Voracek, Carcillo, Nodl, Simmonds, and Powe. Making that happen could mean trading one of their three “second-tier” defensemen, though they too might look at trading a forward instead.
- Andrei Meszaros (25yo) – 3 yr @ $4mm – 6’2" 220lbs – 8+24=32pts, 30
- Matt Carle (26yo) – 1 yr @ $3.437mm – 6’0" 205lbs – 139=40pts, 30
- Braydon Coburn (26yo) – 1 yr @ $3.2mm – 6’5" 220lbs – 214=16pts, +15
San Jose
Has about $8.4mm to sign something like 5 forwards. With Boyle, Burns, Vlasic, and Demers under contract and presumably not going anywhere, big defenseman Douglas Murray may find himself the odd man out.
- Douglas Murray (31yo) – 2 yr @ $2.5mm – 6’3" 240lbs – 1+13=14pts, +5
we talked about murray in the playoffs.it seems that the consensus was he is unavailable because he is their only stay at home/physical d man. i would love to have him with us (brendan witt lite)
by Lakewood Islander on Jun 27, 2011 10:13 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Meszaros is intriguing
Big shot from the point, better on offense than defense. Not sure what it would cost, however – or if it would be worth it from the Isles’ viewpoint.
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Not McCabe, Jovo, or Wiz
They are all bad fits, I think. From the others, perhaps Hannan or Montador, but I don’t know them well enough.
by North Dakota Red Eagle on Jun 27, 2011 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions
To be honest with the blueline injuries the Isles have had recently
There is no such thing as an excessive number of NHL defensemen. They don’t all need to be all-stars but just capable of playing at the NHL level.
by rockhouse15 on Jun 26, 2011 5:06 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
hillen fan
i like hillen’s skill set offensively.good skater.obviously he is smallish,but paired with a big stay at home partner,in a 5-6 roll,i think he can be an asset.i really hope they will extend him at least a QO,because i cant think of any rationale for reese over hillen
by Lakewood Islander on Jun 26, 2011 5:10 PM EDT via mobile reply actions 2 recs
Hillen(and possibly wishart) imo is our 6th d-man right now on the depth chart as we sit.
We have a big hole if he’s let go and we don’t account for it strongly somehow.
Anyone notice the amount of Islanders on the NHL network coverage?
KO, Strome, Weight, Mayfield. Maybe it was just more noticeable as a fan but there seems to be an actual shift to how the league treats the team.
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by Anarcurt on Jun 26, 2011 5:23 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
Hillen would be nice but...
I think we are getting to a point where the Isles are relatively deep on D. I dont see why so many here are so down on Wishart and why Katic is not even mentioned. I dont see either getting top 4 minutes next year (assuming everyone stays healthy) but both looked to have pretty good potential and will need some ice time to develop as will DeHaan (we hope).
Problem with a QO for Hillen is that it will be a one way contract, unlike Reese, and he will likely be spending most of his time in BP, just like Reese.
Also, Eaton will have to play enough so Garth has a hope of getting “future considerations” for him at some point.
We are deep on D, D that are either not nhl ready or career depth d-men.
Wishart is still maturing and a likely future #4 d-man, DeHaan needs B-port time, Donovan needs B-port time, Reese is a depth guy, Katic is a depth guy(faced bottom 2 competition and was worse then Gervais), and most of our other young d-men are depth guys. We have a lack of top 4/nhl-starting d-men for next season. That’s the problem
Not entirely sure about some of this though
For instance Katic. He was actually first in line to be called up (last year when Amac was), but was hurt. This year, I thought his offense looked great, but if you remember, he was paired with Reese and other substandard players (Bruno I think) for his audition. Given the right partners, you wonder. Not that I’m in any rush if there are better options available, but I find him to be interesting. His skating is freaking smooth.
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by Keith Quinn on Jun 26, 2011 8:32 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Katic - Reese
made a nice combo late last year and played a lot together at BPT
I look for them to be 5-6 opening day
we have a lot of depth on D – really didn’t need Hillen IF they think CDH is ready
if he is, then it makes sense
Wishart is the 7th D-man and not a bad one
and we may well sign another D – Jovocop….
You think Katic/Reese
over Jurcina and (who else are you talking about) because it would have to be Mottau, Eaton or Wishart…and the first 3 would have to pass through waivers to go to Bridgeport or be scratched. We can’t afford to lose them for nothing, and we can’t afford to piss them off.
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by Keith Quinn on Jun 26, 2011 10:40 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
This. I am just not overly high on Katic because his size.
Being 5’10’’ 195lbs, you have to be extremely brainy and extremely mobile to make up for a lack in size to be reliable defensively, even if he has a “little” bit of offense. For instance, how many top 4 5’10’’ d-men can you think of in the nhl that are overly reliable defensively? I’m not saying he “can’t” do it, just that it is highly unlikely. His offense looks “good”, but he is no Wiz/MAB in that department where he will deserve top 4 minutes to go along with occassional defensive lapses. And the deep pinching at times had me worry about odd man rushes coming the other way. He’s definitely got a shot at a future in the nhl, I just don’t see him as anything more then a bottom 2/depth guy. And based on what I saw last year, he isn’t ready for a reliable bottom 2 nhl job yet.
Maybe more than "depth"
but it depends on the team…Detroit may want to have a replacement “Rafalski” around…pair him or Hillen with Lidstrom on the PP, does it work? Who knows right…but those two guys may be more offensive than any other Detroit D right now…Also, Spurgeon played well last year, but I hear what you’re saying…I can make an argument on a case by case basis, but as for it being the norm, you’re right, no way.
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by Keith Quinn on Jun 26, 2011 11:06 PM EDT up reply actions
rafalski is an exception for his size
by Lakewood Islander on Jun 27, 2011 10:15 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Explosive
To me, that is Katic’s best attribute— he can explode away with the puck. From the little we saw of him with the Isles this past season, he wasn’t as smooth a skater as Hillen, but he can go from 0 to full speed awfully quickly…. As Keith says, put him with a good D partner and he may look a lot better. I hope he gets a chance playing with Hamonic or Jurcina at some point this season…. To have a defenseman able to explode away can help to create momentary 4-on-3s. A smart line of forwards can often turn that into 3-on-2 or even 2-on-1 with intelligent skating off the puck.
by North Dakota Red Eagle on Jun 27, 2011 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions
I have a feeling, Katic can add 20-30pts per year if given a top 4 role, but my question is more about defensive abilities.
He has to be extremely heady and very reliable to deserve enough minutes to throw up nice offensive stats and I don’t think he’s capable of that from what I’ve seen. The jury is still out though and he’s only 22, but I’m not sold on him having top 4 potential given what I’ve seen. Especially when our top 4 is already as small and unphysical as it is right now.
I'm glad that
The reception to the draft has been strong here, I was a little worried because prior to the draft I read some opposition to the idea of drafting Strome on LHH. I think Garth did another bang up job this year and getting both Strome and Mayfield was a real coup. I like this a lot better than say, Dougie H at fifth and then a forward with our second pick. We Kim of got the best of both worlds, a Howard capable of elite production and a big defenseman with upside. I don’t know a whole lot about the rest of our picks but from what I’ve seen an read I am optimistic. Last year i felt Garth did a great job through round three but after that it seemed we took some real head scratchers. This year it seems a lot more thought went into the latter rounds.
by MatthewM11 on Jun 26, 2011 6:23 PM EDT via mobile reply actions 3 recs
Wow- iPhone spellcheck fail
I hate posting from my phone. If some of the words in my above post seem bizarre (ie: Howard instead of forward) blame the fine folks at apple, not me.
by MatthewM11 on Jun 26, 2011 6:25 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Agreed and Rec'd. High-en forward at #5 and having a Big top 4 projected d-man that was a late 1st round talent drop to us in the 2nd round was the best case scenario.
I couldn’t be happier with how those picks turned out talent wise. We weren’t finding a 1st line caliber forward with our 34th overall pick, but we damn sure found a top 4 capable d-man with it. Well done by Garth.
Pedan and Mayfield
Mayfield has some top 4 potential, but even if he pans out as a 3rd pairing D, I will be more than happy…i am praying and dreaming both pedan and mayfield pan out…visions of Langevin and Lane, just as mean nasty, but bigger and faster…that would be a great 3rd pairing if they both panout
by CanadianIsleslifer on Jun 26, 2011 8:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Mayfield has top pairing Prongerish potential
Im dreaming of deHaan-Mayfield, Amac-Hamonic, and Wishart-Pedan as top 6 of the future…
And that’s not even considering Donovan, Kichton panning out, or keeping Streit as a veteran on the bottom pairing.
Could be a real sweet puckmoving, crease-clearing defense…
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Yeah I like the two-way potential that Mayfield has
With Streit, A-Mac, Donovan, De Haan, Katic and Ness we have smaller puck moving guys. I love Streit and A-Mac and I think Donovan and De Haan are legit prospects but we can’t have an entire defense core composed of 6 foot 180 pound players. Hamonic has is a bigger, tough, skilled player and I really liked the trade for Wishart because he is big and skilled. Mayfield is big, skilled and has a right handed shot so he automatically enters the org pretty high on the depth chart (although he is likely a few years away from being NHL ready) De Hart is the only bigger defense prospect that comes to mind and Mayfield has quite a bit more upside. This gives us a good blend of smaller puck movers and bigger guys who still are quite mobile. i think absolute best case scenario Pronger might be a comparable but more likely in Mayfield I think we’ll have a reliable second pairing shutdown guy who can also play point on the PP. (Maybe not a true “QB” but more of a triggerman) That’s still a nice haul for a second round pick. The important thing to remember though is that he could easily fall short of this mark. I like this draft pick because it represents a nice trend but Mayfield shouldn’t stop us from drafting/signing similar prospects in the near future. The more prospects in the stable the more chances we build a strong contender.
by MatthewM11 on Jun 27, 2011 7:45 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
he is likely a few years away from being NHL ready
Heah, probably- but you never know how fast a kid can establish himself (Hamonic!)
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by TheMetalChick on Jun 28, 2011 12:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Part of my reasoning
Is that he is likely heading to the NCAA, or at least that’s what he indicated on draft day. That is the typical path for kids coming out of the USHL, and its not unusual for these kids (ie: Anders Lee) to stay an extra year in the USHL before heading off to the NCAA, which moves the ETA for these kids back even further. This is all speculative and he can always 1) Sign right away and compete for a roster spot this fall 2) Play another year in the USHL or in one of the canadian junior leagues (I believe one team holds his rights) and then sign or play a year or two in the NCAA and sign. The general scouting reports on Mayfield have been that he is relativly raw but what that exactly means and how that is quantified in years before he is deemed ready is unknown. He is big so he has that going for him and is a big plus as far as NHL readiness. His offensive game seems undevoloped based on his stats but its hard to really know how devoloped it is without seeing him play. Judging from his PIM he is already a very physical player so thats another plus going for him. At the end of the day you are absolutely right, he could suprise us all and be another Hamonic. Here’s hoping that’s the case! (as long as he isn’t rushed without being ready, of course)
One thing I noticed about Rounds 2-7 from being there
The picks beyond the 1st round move incredibly fast. I know that comes across on TV, when the talking heads make one airhead point and five picks are logged in the interim, but just watching it unfold at the arena, it gave me a clear picture of how complicated it is and how you better have your list of priorities and conditionals ready.
There isn’t really much time to “think” as it’s going on. More like time to pay attention to who’s gone, cross the ones you wanted off your list, and move down to the guys you like who are still left. On Day 2 I had to plan my bathroom breaks and drive-by’s to the interview room to make sure I wouldn’t miss the Islanders’ turns.
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Like my fantasy hockey draft
…only greater ramifications.
by North Dakota Red Eagle on Jun 27, 2011 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Seriously!
That’s what it reminded me of: Like a fantasy draft, with real implications, and 8 guys at the table when you’re making your picks, and you might still be meeting your pick from the last round to shake his hand before you ship him off for pictures and interviews.
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QOs w/ Bailey, etc.
i’m in airport w/ crap phone, but to the QO question today: it’s usually a 0-10% raise on your existing salary (excl. ELC bonuses), so a second contract can actually carry a smaller cap hit due to lack of bonuses.
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by Dominik on Jun 26, 2011 6:33 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Didn't understand the Post column.
What did he mean by amnesty buyouts?
I would assume he means they could buy out without carrying a future cap hit
Which makes sense if they lowered the cap after the next CBA. It could put some teams in a real bind.
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which would be an ideal time
to buy out DP
by CanadianIsleslifer on Jun 26, 2011 8:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Amen
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by Keith Quinn on Jun 26, 2011 8:35 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I don't think
that would happen. It would be an awful amount of cash in one shot, for a team that’s going to have to walk along a very thin line to make money.
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Couldn't just let me have one year of hope huh?
Are you the kind of guy who tells kids there’s no Santa?
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by Keith Quinn on Jun 27, 2011 12:34 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
The last two seasons
…were thought by many to be make-it-or-break-it years for Rick, right? After another make-it-or-break-it year, do the Isles finally say enough is enough? I’d love to see Rick turn into a valuable goalie for the Isles, but chances are getting slimmer and slimmer.
Is there any precedent? Has there been another goalie with this many (and this severe) knee/hip injuries/surgeries who has come back to be a valuable goalie for his team?
As mentioned by someone on LHH, he’s not even a valuable backup if he can’t play consistently, because backups have to be ready to step in at any time.
I’d rather see $40 million lost to a buyout than years more of headaches and $40 million lost anyway, if that’s what it comes down to.
by North Dakota Red Eagle on Jun 27, 2011 12:06 PM EDT up reply actions
They had "amnesty" buyouts after the current CBA was signed
An interim period when teams could buy out players without the same punishments that were about to happen. I think Dallas bought Guerin out during that window?
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Losing Hillen is a mistake...
Hillen was a vicitim of his own success. Scoring 21 and 22 points the last 2 seasons with top 4 minutes both seasons, decent plus/minus numbers (considering he was on a really shitty team with a really shitty goalie in DP), really good giveaways, takeaways, really good block shot numbers all means he would be worth well over $1M should he go to arbitration. And GarWang is not willing to use that $1M on Hillen. They want to use that $$ to go and get a top flight defensive Free Agent.
They gave Hillen a plenty of opportunity and now he will go somewhere else and I sure do well. They trained him and now others will reap the benefit at a relatively small price.
by jbranny on Jun 26, 2011 7:04 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
I don't think they are going after a top flight defensive free agent
I see it as De Haan replacing Hillen. De Haan can do everything that Hillen can do, and has much higher potential. Hillen can probably outplay Eaton/Mottau, but it seems like for whatever reason they are keeping them around. So Hillen is the odd man out. Someone had to go to make room for De Haan.
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I hope
that’s not the reason, because we can’t really know whether de Haan can do what Hillen does. He almost certainly can’t provide it next year as a rookie. I’d much rather see him bang the door down from the AHL.
we'll see
Just because he’s going UFA doesn’t mean that Hillen can’t re-sign with the Isles. Depends on the market for his services. It could be a lot going on behind the scenes… maybe Snow knows he can’t afford Hillen along with everyone else… it could have to do with the aniticpation of the cap going down if the new CBA lowers the percentage of revenues that goes to salary. It could be Snow doing Hillen a favor by letting him try the market.
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still doesnt explain reese? pennypinching afew hundred thou? hard to believe
by Lakewood Islander on Jun 26, 2011 9:18 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Reese is the emergency callup
Streit – Jurcina
MacDonald – Hamonic
Eaton – De Haan
Mottau
Then on BP as callup you have
Wishart, Katic and Reese
So the hope is that even if the defense gets pounded with injuries, you don’t have to rush up a rookie like last year with Hamonic.
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i doubt they are relying on dehaan making it out of camp
by Lakewood Islander on Jun 27, 2011 10:17 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
he was on a really shitty team with a really shitty goalie in DP),
In which dimension has Rick been getting the starts since Jacks been here?
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by TheMetalChick on Jun 26, 2011 7:51 PM EDT up reply actions
And even when he DID play, you still cant make that excuse, it doesnt work. Jack didnt play w/Rick more than any other D, it makes no sense.
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by TheMetalChick on Jun 26, 2011 7:52 PM EDT up reply actions
what do you call a G with a save % of .886?
no reason to hate on Rick but also no reason to accept him being the starter again until he demonstrates it on the ice
Don't know if you heard the Hofstra radio show tonight
but even Bobby Ny was down on the goaltending of DP indicating it as a need and saying they have some other guys…you could tell he was uncomfortable saying it…but basically was like enough is enough, you have to win.
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by Keith Quinn on Jun 26, 2011 10:41 PM EDT up reply actions
I've said this before
But in order for your team to have a chance to win, your goaltender has to give you the chance every game (or at least 90%, since everyone has a blowout from time to time). But he’s too rickety for that now.
by sayvillelax94 on Jun 27, 2011 12:06 AM EDT up reply actions
WTH?
Jack does not deserve to use that as an excuse unless ALL of them do- THAT is my point. There was no situation in which DiPietro (A) was getting the majority of starts when Jack was playing (he didnt) and (B) was affecting Jack more than any other defenseman
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by TheMetalChick on Jun 27, 2011 2:11 AM EDT up reply actions
Actually
(B) sometimes does happen. It’s a big part of why Okposo’s +/- has been so bad, he’s been particularly unlucky when he’s been on the ice.
Sorry
It is still a cop out to provide one player with that excuse and not his D partner or any of the other Dmen.
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by TheMetalChick on Jun 27, 2011 8:56 AM EDT up reply actions
Oh yea
in this specific instance, it’s probably not applicable, but we have seen that players can be unlucky with the save % while they are on the ice.
You said it all.
Garth has made moves to keep the guys he wants and hes cutting guys loose that he doesn’t…I understand why marty and the Chef were cut loose but not Hillen…I guess “The Garth” cant fit everyone…Thats the only reason I see for letting Hillen skate…
I Don't Think He Scores Enough for His Size
If his shot were better, he’d be a $2.5 to $3 million a year player. But it really isn’t. Not hard enough or accurate enough, and he can’t get it to the net. IMHO, that’s the only thing that has kept him from Rafalski territory.
rafalski is sound defensively.as much as i like hillen,he has alot to improve on. what team would rather have reese than hillen as their 6-7 dman? ponderous
by Lakewood Islander on Jun 27, 2011 12:53 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Thats 3 D-men down...
I thought Hillen was a really nice player…He seemed to take a little while to get going but once he found his game he was an above avg puck moving defenseman who can skate…I guarantee Hillens going to have a career year elsewhere…We will all be crying here together on LHH…
Butr seriously, whos going to replace Hillen?
He was a good part of the Isles turn around, last season, wasnt he???
Streit
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Even if
what we’re looking at is along the lines of:
Streit-Hamonic
Amac-Jurcina
Eaton-Wishart
wouldn’t it make more sense to keep more than Mottau in the press box? Especially since Hillen is a known factor, and knows the system?
I think this just makes too many assumptions about guys (de Haan, Katic, etc) being ready to contribute next year in case if injuries.
I don't know really
Guys like Hillen I don’t think would do well playing one out of every 10 games. What I would rather do is promote from BPT if possible, and let BPT sign people to ATOs or promotions from the ECHL. You’re also assuming that Hillen would want to be in that position…they just let Gervais walk to be nice and let him get development and playing time somewhere else when they knew they couldn’t provide it.
I just said in the other thread that maybe we should take a good run at Kaberle…then all bets are off. I’d trade anyone but Amac, Ham or Streit and restructure the whole thing.
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by Keith Quinn on Jun 26, 2011 10:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Wishert, Donovan or DeHaan is Going to Nail Down a Spot Either From Training Camp or Couple of Months Later
Probably
and that’s why I’d much rather have someone other than Eaton, Jurcina, Gervais, Hillen or Mottau babysitting. I also would like for whoever is doing the babysitting not to be Streit, Amac, or Hamonic so they can just go out and play.
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by Keith Quinn on Jun 26, 2011 10:31 PM EDT up reply actions
I'd say
it’s almost 100% going to be Wishart since he’s the only one who would have to pass through waivers, and I doubt they want the trade return on Roli to what would amount to be a rental of a prospect.
Id like to see Eaton do the babysitting, teach him how to use his size.
Wishart
…looked good, especially in the last few games this season. I hope he earns the 5th/6th spot out of training camp. If he doesn’t get one, it’s probably because Donovan or DeHaan defies expectations, which is even better.
by North Dakota Red Eagle on Jun 27, 2011 12:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Probably true
that Hillen wouldn’t like sitting. Though I’d feel even better if he was the one in Bridgeport we were calling up, and if he was claimed off waivers, so be it. Then we move on to the younger guys.
He just seems too solid to let walk since he wasn’t going to cost us anything. And I refuse to expect anything but a House of Horrors when it comes to injuries.
I also think that regardless of our situation at the trade deadline, Eaton will be our most valuable, moveable piece.
by afrosupreme on Jun 26, 2011 10:23 PM EDT up reply actions
I just think he can play somewhere else
If Freddy Meyer and Andy Sutton and Bruno can be in a 5/6, Hillen can help somebody. You think he wouldn’t be helpful in Florida, calgary, Colorado or Edmonton? I agree with you about Eaton…if he returns from HIS hip injury okay.
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by Keith Quinn on Jun 26, 2011 10:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Sure
if we want to be nice guys and give him a chance somewhere else, I guess that’s fine. But when three guys end up in the IR and Reese and Mottau are pulling top 4 minutes, we’ll all be pissed.
After last year with the Isles (and, ultimately, with what happened to Vancouver) I’m convinced you literally cannot have enough depth at defense, even if it means two guys in the press box every night, in addition to another 8 or so in the AHL.
edmonton needs D
and with Hillen’s speed and stick skill, that would be a nice fit…i think Edmonton among all teams, but specifically the Oilers with RNH and T. Hall watched video after video of Grabs and Nielson and are thinking “look what they did with speed and skill in the new nhl and look what we have”…i think hillen was just the odd man out in nyi for top 4, but he will easily get 30 points somewhere if given top 4 D minutes
by CanadianIsleslifer on Jun 27, 2011 10:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Pardon my ignorance, but...
Can Garth get anything in return for Hillen, or does he become UFA?
"Seriously that's the last time you guys f#@%ing won?" -RSH (about beating the Penguins in '93)
If he doesn't qualify him
he becomes UFA.
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by Keith Quinn on Jun 26, 2011 10:36 PM EDT up reply actions
seriously,bruno is still deveolping?
by Lakewood Islander on Jun 27, 2011 12:54 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Well I think he'll certainly develop better
As a 5/6 in the NHL as opposed to a 1/2 in the AHL. In the end, it reLlu is tough to say what some of these guys really are when you factor in how injured theyve been and the total lack of continuity/consistency with partners…and goaltenders for that matter.
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by Keith Quinn on Jun 27, 2011 1:50 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Kaberle
could be a good fit, but is there really any chance it would happen? He’s too old to sign on for a rebuild for anything less than an overpay, which would probably equate to an overextension in years as well. I can’t imagine he’d come to the Isles for anything less than 3 years/5 mill per, which sounds crazy. Meanwhile I imagine Boston could bring him back for less than the 4.2 he’s making now.
I've heard so much good about Kaberle
…but every time I see him play (Tor/Bos), he doesn’t look very good. He’s supposed to be a great setup man, but I never see it. He’s a smooth skater, but I haven’t seen much more from him lately.
by North Dakota Red Eagle on Jun 27, 2011 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Boston: Kaberle doesn't have an NHL slapper & the "whose better" debates for 4 years from now...
Paired with Mccabe in Toronto, they were deadly early on…Kaberle sets up Mccabe for the big slapper…I swear NHL scouts would do good to read fan websites for valuable insight….once the good teams with depth caught on, they played Kaberle for the pass, and blocked Mccabe from the big slapper…don’t know why Boston thought they would replicate “Kaberle to Mccabe and wham” with Chara, without considering the top teams with depth doing deja vu all-over again…play Kaberle for the pass and block Chara from the big slapper….but then again, Peter Cher-whatever is a brilliant GM….
In four years, there will be two main “whose better” debates among Isles fans:
Whose Better, JT or Strome?
Whose Better, Hamilton or Mayfield?
by CanadianIsleslifer on Jun 27, 2011 10:46 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Kaberle could be the best tape to tape passer in the nhl right now.
His passing is top notch. He doesn’t “shoot” much, but he is an excellent set-up man. Kaberle has been throughout his career an excellent PP guy and reliable top 4 2-way d-man. He’s thrown up 8 40pts seasons in his career. No, he doesn’t have a big slapper, but he is excellent at what he does do.
And if your hating Kaberle, you’re gonna hate DeHaan. Same exact style of play(if DeHaan pans out) and PP QB style.
Strome or JT? Hamilton or Mayfield? Let’s not get ahead of ourselves yet. Hamilton or Mayfield may never reach the nhl and Strome “could” become a bust.
yep, if Dehaan turns out to be a carbon copy of Kaberle, the good teams will shut him down the same way, and i won’t like him…the strome-jt hamilton-mayfield was meant tongue-in-cheek.
by CanadianIsleslifer on Jun 28, 2011 1:14 AM EDT up reply actions
Gotcha. And just a little info on DeHaan if you haven't read:
http://www.mynhldraft.com/2009/NHL-Draft-Profiles/Calvin-deHaan
http://www.hockeysfuture.com/prospects/calvin_de%20haan
http://thehockeywriters.com/21-calvin-de-haan%e2%80%93-the-hockey-spy%e2%80%99s-2009-nhl-entry-draft-rankings/
“weak point shot” “top-puckmover”
“excellent positioning” “excellent skating”
“more of an elite passing/then goalscoring d-man” “not-aggressive”
He’s gotten a bit better then those draft profiles, but his game is the same as described. Pretty much a “smaller” carbon copy of Kaberle.
Not that I hate Kaberle
… I just haven’t seen him play well the last few seasons against the Isles and in the playoffs. I haven’t seen him play enough to give a fair analysis.
by North Dakota Red Eagle on Jun 28, 2011 6:14 PM EDT up reply actions
That's what bugs me
Even if Garth & Capt. Jack feel they don’t need Hillen, why just let him walk for nothing? Not even a pick? Hell, they’ll get “something” for Bruno at some point (probably a bag of pucks). That’s why I think a longer term deal for Hillen is on the horizon and Eaton gets moved. But that’s just my gut, which is wrong 8 times out of 10.
"It's too bad he lives in the city. He's depriving some small village of a pretty good idiot" - Mike Milbury on Ziggy Palffy's agent Paul Kraus during Palffy's contract holdout in 1998.
Hes not worth anything in a trade. Who's going to trade for a guy who will be a free agent in a few days???
unless Im wrong about the situation…
I think you're right
But then why not qualify him and then trade him? He can’t be making so much that he’d be hard to move.
"It's too bad he lives in the city. He's depriving some small village of a pretty good idiot" - Mike Milbury on Ziggy Palffy's agent Paul Kraus during Palffy's contract holdout in 1998.
It is possible
But really, I don’t think right now, that the Isles (for some reason) are being very keen on what might be perceived as “holding players hostage”. We could’ve signed Bruno for depth, but Snow let him go…probably knowing that we couldn’t get much for them in a trade.
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by Keith Quinn on Jun 26, 2011 10:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Youre right, Quinn...I thought the same thing...
It wouldn’t be ethical to try and trade Hillen in that fashion IMHO..
Gotcha
Thanks for the clarification, gentlemen. Well, I still hope he comes back somehow.
Man, that CapGeek site is useful.
"It's too bad he lives in the city. He's depriving some small village of a pretty good idiot" - Mike Milbury on Ziggy Palffy's agent Paul Kraus during Palffy's contract holdout in 1998.
And perhaps that is a little sensitive right now
…because of Nabokov’s situation. Whether right or wrong, the Isles may have come off as holding Nabokov hostage. (The system and his agent are mostly at fault, IMO. The agent depending on a dozen GMs being “nice” about letting Nabokov go where he wanted. haha!)
by North Dakota Red Eagle on Jun 27, 2011 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes he was...
Did you notice how much better the team was playing the second half of the season when Hillen, Hamonic and AMac were all getting 20 plus minutes, and Wizniewski was shipped out and Eaton and Mottau weren’t around? More than just a coincidence.
how much of that should be attributed to the coaching change?
by Lakewood Islander on Jun 27, 2011 12:56 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Or
The return of Okposo, the emergence of Grabner, the trade for Montoya…the list goes on. There were so many individual variables this year, I’m not even sure why we bother trying to figure out how each individual guy performed…For all I know, Josh Bailey was Jagr and Dylan Reese was Bobby Orr.
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by Keith Quinn on Jun 27, 2011 1:53 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Wiz
… was pretty bad defensively…. I think Eaton has some value as a 5th/6th. Isles didn’t pay him $2.5 million per year to be the 7th/8th defenseman.
by North Dakota Red Eagle on Jun 27, 2011 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Strome's First Linemates: Should Be Haley and Martin
Message to rest of NHL: So much as breathe on Strome and you will need an oral and maxillofacial surgeon.
Those of you who are old enough will remember Dave Semenko riding shotgun for Gretzky for quite a while.
waste of Stromes' talent to put him on the 4th line
just to protect him?
James T Paulson
by Jtpdolphins2009 on Jun 26, 2011 10:30 PM EDT up reply actions
I Don't Think So at All
Isles have Tavares, Neilsen and Bailey. They don’t need him to step in and assume a major role right away. Brent Sutter broke in with limited ice time when Isles had Trottier, Goring and Merrick. And he was a older and a much tougher kid.
Well that's exactly the point
And he was a older and a much tougher kid.
Sutter broke in as a 19.5 yo after an initial 3 game taste…Strome is turning 18 next week…that’s a significant time difference.
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by Keith Quinn on Jun 26, 2011 11:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Unless he blows us away
…I am in favor of Junior hockey too. I think an extra year down there has less of a chance of stunting his development than ‘11-’12 with the Isles. (I may be wrong.)
The decision has to be 100% for his development, because Isles’ chances of winning the Cup aren’t anywhere close to what they SHOULD be 2 or 3 seasons later.
by North Dakota Red Eagle on Jun 27, 2011 12:28 PM EDT up reply actions
botta claims all the draft picks are at least 3 yrs away from being regular nhlers.take it or leave it. i doubt strome makes it out of camp,considering nino and haley likey.a bit crowded up front
by Lakewood Islander on Jun 27, 2011 12:59 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
He was talking about the day 2 picks, not Strome.
by DP'sknee(andhipandflubugandotherknee) on Jun 27, 2011 1:20 AM EDT up reply actions
I get the point
but you want him playing far more than 10 minutes a game.
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by Keith Quinn on Jun 26, 2011 10:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Pre-season, 9-Game Tryout That's Enough
If he shows he might be able to play, you keep Martin on one wing and add a regular. If he passes that test, you eventually expand his role. But I think Martin’s got enough skill to stay there for 40 games. On the PP, he’d have plenty of opportunities with Tavares, Streit, Okposo, etc.
To me, he’s not like Tavares. Tavares’ game is down low, and he’s not real fast. In a way, the fact that he’s not fast enough keeps him from getting hit like some of these other guys at their top speed. Strome, though, that would be a concern.
I don't even think
the 9 games should be a given. I know they did it last year with Nino to generate some fan interest, but we’d be in a whole lot better shape if we still had those 9 games for Nino this year.
Now that the fan interest in better shape, the 9 games should be for a guy who is really knocking on the door.
by afrosupreme on Jun 27, 2011 8:31 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
That's true
…about fan interest. Perhaps Streit’s and Okposo’s injuries even had a part in causing Nino to play those 9 games. Never thought of that. Nino look good in those games, though!
This season Isles also have the fastest man on skates. I’m more excited about seeing Grabner playing the first 9 games than Nino or Strome. Plus they likely have Nino, and healthy Streit and Okposo.
by North Dakota Red Eagle on Jun 27, 2011 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions
9 games
You actually do have it for Nino this year, too. It’s not cumulative — it’s 9 games in one season. (Blues did this with Pietrangelo.)
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Oh wow
That’s awesome. I never realized that.
Well sheet …. that’s all you had to say!
by afrosupreme on Jun 30, 2011 12:41 AM EDT up reply actions
You know, at first I was like "what?"
But mulling it over for a few seconds, it actually makes some sense. Especially if he only does the 9-game tryout, that could work for the first couple of games of that tryout. I don’t really think his skillset will match up quite well with Martin’s and Haley’s, but that doesn’t matter in the beginning.
by sayvillelax94 on Jun 27, 2011 12:15 AM EDT up reply actions
I would like to see the return of the named divisions.
The NHL could align them by timezone but call each division by the awesome names it used to.
Hunter said he was just finishing his check.
by Turgeon1992 on Jun 27, 2011 12:22 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
lol
that’ll never happen, it’ll make traditional hockey fans too happy and “confuse the casual NHL watcher” thanks Bettman!
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+++++A
It’s what made hockey unique, and if they have any creativity at all, they’d do it. Most hockey fans would love it. But alas I agree that it’ll never happen. Of course, I also didn’t think True North would bend to public pressure and restorre the Jets.
not entirely their call
I believe the Coyotes “own” the name “Jets” as far as the NHL is concerned, because it’s the same franchise. The current Winnipeg team can’t just use the name without permission from Phoenix and the NHL.
So this is kind of like the old Browns/Ravens and the new Browns, they’re not the same franchise, the team records and accomplishments have no continuity. The old Jets/Coyotes are not the new Jets/Thrashers. Dale Hawerchuk and Tomas Steen never played for this franchise. And this… it the Twilight Zone.
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by mikb on Jun 27, 2011 2:34 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
division re-alignment
i read the yahoo article about the nhl “drastically” re-aligning the divisions into 4, and doing them by “time zones”…by the sound of it, it seems like they’re only going to make it worse. the 3 division/2 conference setup still works. why fix something when it’s not broken? it’s very simple here: move nashville to the southeast. that takes care of the east…for the west: move dallas into the central, winnipeg to the northwest, and colorado to the pacific. and there. done. having 8-team divisions are crazy. they might as well just scrap divisions and just have conferences.
on the subject of hillen: i always loved jack. he’s one of those guys that i find myself watching the little things he does that contribute to the big plays made in our own zone. and i actually cheer him when no one else pays attention or gives him his due credit. he plays a good shut down style of hockey and he’s actually a very good penalty killer. you really can’t have too many defensemen in this league. he’s a great guy to have in your system when your in a jam. if he does leave, i wish him the best. someone out there will snag him up.
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- Steve Zissou
why fix something when it’s not broken?
Who says it isnt broken? Sure things are fine when you loo at the atlantic division but the other divisions are not so neat.
Let Us Go, Islanders! (Ever notice how strange that sounds without the contraction?)
by TheMetalChick on Jun 27, 2011 8:58 AM EDT up reply actions
yep. i really hope they dont screw with the atlantic.its awesome.just like the east in the nfl.everyone has a rivalry
by Lakewood Islander on Jun 27, 2011 10:20 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
As long as they still play hockey
…I don’t care how it is set up.
The only way it could screw the Isles is if they somehow group them with southeast teams, which I don’t see happening. Isles should end up with at least 2 familiar teams in the division…. If they organize by time-zone, it would be two ETZ divisions, right? Are there 14-16 teams in the ET? (Divisions would be 7,7,8,8, so anywhere 14-16 would work.)
by North Dakota Red Eagle on Jun 27, 2011 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions
The current system is screwed up
In the eyes of Detroit, Columbus, Dallas and even Nashville.
I don’t think Nashville has a legit complaint, but Detroit and Columbus do, playing so many games one, two and three time zones away. And Dallas does, having every divisional opponent two time zones away.
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