Last week, actually. But a late present beats no present at all, right?

it puts them well under the cap now. If they can get Richards, they may be better and with more in their pipeline. Although, no quality centers. They also got a 2nd rounder for Richards from the Kings, so they’re not in awful shape except that their D is old too.

Projects to be a Richards type.

Richard’s inability to deal with the Philly media probably has more to do with his dealing then anything else.

Creates much more flexibility, aquired a lot of young cheap talent. Great cap moves.

I would be hard pressed to give up Voracek alone in the Carter deal with that contract. Nevermind the 1st round pick also.

Really? Carter and Giroux played on the best power versus power line in the league (arguably), and Carter played on one of the better checking lines in the league 2 years ago with Richards. And he has demonstrated pretty good goal scoring ability as well.

That is a shocking statement coming from an Islander fan who knows more than anyone about the dangers of those types of contracts.

If we were to deal even up..Carter for our pick…I would be happy.

He is the kind of player that would instantly give the Isles credibility.
FA’s would notice and with a possible new arena want to come here..

they are a team built to win now, with a defense built around two over the hill and Damaged Dmen in Pronger and Tummionen. All this just to overpay Bryzalov who might have been cheaper on the open market.

or are they OK with Briere/Giroux as their centers? Their D is old, that’s the problem…and Pronger is coming off od major surgery for the back. I hope Bryzgalof is now like “what the hell is going on here?” and doesn’t sign…

/evil laughter

So to make cap room, they got rid of their 2 best forwards(both 1st line caliber), whom are their 2 best 2-way players, both are 30goal scorers, both are in their prime, 2 solid pk’ers(when used), 2 solid PP guys, and their captain? For: a projected top 6er(Schenn) that barely touched the nhl, a 1st round draft pick, a 3rd round draft pick, a decent 3rd liner, and a middle 6 winger(voracek).

Highway robbery at it’s finest.

but their D is so old, that by the time these kids are ready to contribute, they will be weak on the blueline.

Their offensive and defensive prowesses were something that make Okposo look “average” all around. They were that good all around. It’s not easy to replace 2 30goal/65pts players with solidly above average defensive acumen and a no-quit mindset. Not to mention, 1 was their captain.

WTF is going on? I feel like I’m dreaming. You find a sucker to take on Carters contract and give you a wealth of a return and you go and sign another 9 year deal? I guess the goaltending in the playoffs this year really left a bad taste in the mouth of Philly mngmt huh? What happens with Bobrovsky now?

His one, maybe two years of prime goalie-ness…

that the flyers were going to change the face of the team. Once they signed Bryzgalov to that outrageous contract, they shot themselves right in the foot. I knew they had to get under the cap and trading some of their guys would make sense. It’s good that they got a little younger and kept building onto the future, but we’re going to see the flyers doing this a lot. They have a lot of heavy contracts that are going to continue to bite them in the ass if they keep making signings like this. Bryzgalov is ok, he’s not great, hence not deserving of that contract. Congrats to him and his family for getting it, but it looks like philly is possibly taking a step back this year. It’s Pronger & Briere’s team now (if they don’t get traded soon) and they still have a good core of players that are only going to improve. Maybe they think JVR is going to explode this year. I’m not going to count out the flyers just yet. It looks tough now, but they’re still a tough team to contend with.

we can’t afford to let Philly get another good center or D, so they are not a good partner at all.

All of this sounds like the old nuclear arms race. Leafs getting Stasny would make them very dangerous. I hope they give up a ton.

But Stastny would be bank. What would they offer though? 2 1st rounders and some prospects/players?

and the new guys they got are RFA and need contracts. Plus Leino and 2 D. Doubtful

BOTH of them moving within a half hour of each other. That says blowing it up, and I’m not sure it had to be done.

HOlmgren pulling a Sather by dumping bad contracts and immediately producing a new one to take their place.

The haul is really pretty good, and also instantly make Columbus and LA better…LA really becomes a legit contender now.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ji-cT58rgNc

By the Penguins.

Best youtube clip ever

He has no control over the moves that GMs make.

I don’t think Lavi has anything to do with these moves, I think the Flyers organization is just insane.

Cool story, bro.

It does seem like a pattern, and Lavy certainly seems like a guy who wears out his welcome, but there are other circumstances in those cases, or at least with the last two

Carolina’s a very yo-yo-like team. They made it back to the playoffs in 2008, went to the conference finals, and have yet to make it back in the next 3 years. That seems to be an organizational trend, not Laviolette’s doing

As for Philly, there were rumors about hard-partying before Laviolette got there. Adding Pronger was supposed to help alleviate that, with, it appears, some mixed results. While moving Richards is a surprise, it also tells me they continued to think he was part of the problem rather than the solution, but the point is that all of this predates Lavy’s coaching the team

As for his time with the Isles, with Wang and Milbury at the helm, I wonder how long any success could have been maintained

Didn’t even think about that. Same applies for Simmonds I guess too.

Actually thinking about it, Simmonds might be a really nice fit. Decent size. RH RW. Plays mean. I feel like I’ve heard a request for this around here before.

Just a little quibble—Sather almost always makes out better in his trades (see Erixon, Wolski, Gomez which was a robbery), as well as RFAs, and since he stepped back from drafting NYR has done a great job. It’s UFAs that he sucks with.

Plus Bryz will be a very good mentor to Bob.

I feel the same way regarding the Carter deal. You could have helped me with my argument above in the thread.

And what did you expect? Philly to give Carter away? The man is a 2-way 1st line goalscoring center on a fair contract for the next 5/6yrs and a questionable one for the last 3. The 8th overall alone for his “is” highway robbery. The 8th overall and a middle 6 forward is robbery too, even if they needed to clear cap for Bryz, which they realistically didn’t “have” to do for a month at least with the nhl’s offseason cap overage policy(draft picks in the trade aside). Question, what would you trade for David Krejci or Mikko Koivu or Patrice Bergeron? Because Carter is better then all those guys and worth more for how fairly he’s locked down for the next 5/6yrs(after that it’s close to market value unless contracts continue to inflate like balloons).