Doug Weight fit to be King; Grabner 3rd in Calder; Nielsen 6th in Selke
It was pretty cool to see Doug Weight get the NHL equivalent of "lifetime achievement" award for his leadership on and off the ice, near the rink and far from it in community endeavors.
But the cooler thing may have been what he chose to speak about. The newest Islanders coach/executive/ambassador basically grabbed the mic to tell a national, league-wide audience the same talking points we've heard him give locally: Past the punchlines that date back to the Gang of Four and Mad Mike, there is something nice and legit going on with the Islanders.
Jay Mohr teased the Isles, and that's cool (he teased other lottery teams as well, plus Vancouver fans). But Weight basically said come on and join, because it won't be that way for much longer. Here's to hoping. Video of Weight's acceptance -- peppered by award sponsor U.S. Army in a wild intersection of sports-meets-sponsorship-meets-military industrial complex -- is after the jump along with several other links.
Doug Weight, King Clancy Memorial Trophy Recipient
- Here is the Islanders write-up on Weight winning the award.
- Other awards from last night are listed here. No surprises, really. I'll leave out my opinion on the right and wrong calls; suffice to say, when announcing each award they should really remind people who did the voting.
- Michael Grabner did not win the Calder -- and I'm okay with that, given the difference in age between him and Jeff Skinner. (The vote tally, however, was way off.) But Skinner's speech was what you'd expect from an 18-year-old thrust into the spotlight. I'd dare say it was even adorable. (He's also fairly adorable around really hot women with microphones.)
- The Q Factor: There is always a wariness about how well QMJHL scorers translate to the NHL. Some of that is real, some of it is probably cultural/language bias. Bryan explores it in this FanPost with the case of Sean Couturier.
- Get your mock on: Play around with everybody by mocking out the Islanders picks beyond the first round.
- Elliotte Friedman's 30 thoughts are pretty much always worth my time. I usually print it out and take it to the ... break room. Interesting stuff there on agents. Quisp at Jewels from the Crown goes into that latter topic.
- If you missed it or didn't see the FanShot, Ilya Bryzgalov had some fun things to say about Islanders goalie Evgeni Nabokov.
- B.D. Gallof, convinced the Islanders won't break from pattern by selecting a defenseman, opines on the top three likely available forwards in his book.
- Areener: It's a Flash link to a PDF, but you can download the proposed Nassau County lease agreement with the Islanders at the official site along with other related docs. I'm heading to the True (U.S.) North for the draft, so I probably won't have time to pore over the documents.
- Point Blank: Darren Dreger on Garth Snow and general draft movement | Pierre McGuire on his own love of this monster and that monster.
Frank J. Selke "Danes Are 2nd Class" Trophy
Here is the vote tally for the Selke, in which Frans Nielsen finished sixth (total votes, followed by 1st, 2nd, 3rd-place votes, etc.). You can find all vote tallies at this link.
1. Ryan Kesler, VAN 1,179 (105-14-5-2-0)
2. Jonathan Toews, CHI 476 (5-36-24-15-9)
3. Pavel Datsyuk, DET 348 (4-22-22-12-8)
4. Patrice Bergeron, BOS 296 (3-18-21-9-8)
5. Manny Malhotra, VAN 229 (6-10-10-14-7)
6. Frans Nielsen, NYI 97 (0-4-8-6-11)
7. David Backes, STL 88 (1-2-6-9-7)
8. Mike Richards, PHI 83 (1-2-4-11-6)
9. Anze Kopitar, L.A. 55 (0-2-4-5-6)
10. Ryan Callahan, NYR 51 (0-1-5-5-4)
11. Brooks Laich, WSH 36 (0-1-2-4-7)
12. Henrik Zetterberg, DET 33 (0-2-2-2-3)
13. Tomas Plekanec, MTL 29 (0-1-1-3-8)
14. Claude Giroux, PHI 25 (1-0-1-3-1)
15. Jordan Staal, PIT 25 (0-2-2-0-1)
16. Brad Richards, DAL 15 (0-0-2-1-2)
17. Pascal Dupuis, PIT 14 (0-2-0-0-0)
18. Brandon Prust, NYR 14 (0-1-0-2-1)
19. Martin St. Louis, T.B. 12 (0-1-1-0-0)
20. Michael Grabner, NYI 11 (1-0-0-0-1)
21. Corey Perry, ANA 10 (0-1-0-1-0)
22. Vernon Fiddler, PHX 10 (0-0-0-3-1)
23. Henrik Sedin, VAN 9 (0-0-1-1-1)
24. Dave Bolland, CHI 9 (0-0-0-3-0)
So...Brandon Prust you say? Okay.
I don't know who the True Housewives of Beverly Hills are (they presented one of the awards in their cookie-cutter bottle-blonde and black dress get-up), but I suspect they had a vote.
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Couple of observations.....
…..does Mika have Matty Mo eyes or WHAT?? They could easily be mistaken as related by sheer appearance, if not out-and-out TWINS…..also, to these ears, Grabs got the most applause of any Calder candidate announced – that is, before Skinner took the stage like a reluctant puppy dog; reminded me a lot of Bails when he first started speaking more publicly, although Josh never really was at a loss for words or poise…..
Nino Video
From the official site:
http://video.islanders.nhl.com/videocenter/console?catid=-6&id=118759
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Something criminal going on
When Patrice Bergeron finishes ahead of Frans Nielsen in the Selke voting. Then again, the Writers from NY sat this one out.
I was Ok with were Frans finished in the voting
You take into account that the NY voters didn’t vote, and the fact that the Isles get no love, and sixth is pretty solid, especially considering that all those above him played on playoff teams who get regular TV time.
Plus they all scored more than Frans, which, while it shouldn’t matter, does. Add in the Manny Malhotra sympathy votes and sixth it is.
by Jones79 on Jun 23, 2011 9:48 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I dunno
Bergeron is a pretty outstanding player whose D abilities just helped his team win the Cup. Add the vote boycotts and I’m not offended. I’m more confused by how voters put both Malhotra and Kesler so high. Seems like some of them were going off of Kesler’s role before Malhotra.
Lighthouse Hockey: A flute with no holes is not a flute. A Dane with no holes is Frans Nielsen.
This is the problem I have with the awards, especially the not so clearly defined ones (like Selke). They seem to be more reputation based. Datsuyk didn’t really deserve to win last year, and Kesler didn’t really deserve to win this year, but he got it because he was “due”. Malhotra was the one handling all the tough stuff this year.
And voters just seem to vote for “the guy with the most points who also checks good”, which isn’t what the award is supposed to be for.
"Playin hurt, baby that don't faze me. I don't got time for pain. The only pain I've got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is!"
The reputation deal
No doubt! That’s why I try not to get too invested in the awards process. The voters are all over the map, the definitions are all over the map, and even when a voter is clear about what he/she is voting on, he might not be clear about who actually best exemplifies those qualities.
And given all that confusion, I’m almost okay with voters doing make-up/reputation votes for omissions past. Which is why I really didn’t think Lidstrom needed another, and they should have tossed one Weber’s way. (Not that single voters can swing the vote that way.)
I’m at the point where, with the Calder Grabner and Couture had better seasons than Skinner. But if they want to give super bonus points to Skinner for doing it so young, then sure, why not.
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Balanced Voting
put both Malhotra and Kesler so high
We were both on the get Manny to the Isle campaign last summer, but I agree. How can they both get so many votes? I think the voters that voted for Perry felt they had to ensure they put in enough Canuck votes to show they weren’t biased.
Nassau Coliseum lost a veteran and an original Islander fan. ACC 1918-2011
First time I've really read Gallof
and I love it. I like the research and more importantly hope he’s right. Go with a forward early, grab the D man later, and if you can trade back to to 6-8 range and grab Mika plus picks I think that’s best case scenario.
I have a party Friday night so will actually be DVR’ing the draft. My girlfriend might leave me.
"It don't make you a bad person" - Ron Bennington
My girlfriend might leave me.
LOL- whats funny is how sports fans work out relationshipwise. Guys date/marry girls who dont give a crap about their teams, and me? Ive dated guys who either dont care the slightest about hockey or have been diehard fans of teams like the Rangers and Leafs. Talk about asking for problems lol.
Let Us Go, Islanders! (Ever notice how strange that sounds without the contraction?)
by TheMetalChick on Jun 23, 2011 9:54 AM EDT up reply actions
Wait...you're dating Ranger and Leafs fans?!
That’s gotta be a dealbreaker.
Official choice of Lighthouse Dog #1.
by Fabtraption on Jun 23, 2011 10:11 AM EDT up reply actions
Yes, bu tthe real question is....
… for HER, THEM (the boyfriends) or US?
There's a mountain of buoyant nostalgia under this team and it's going to erupt like Vesuvius when the Islanders are back in playoff contention.... Count on it.
by Nova Scotia Isles Fan on Jun 23, 2011 11:01 AM EDT up reply actions
My wife has caused me to watch, among other things...
1. Every cycle of America’s Next Top Model
2. Almost every episode of Teen Mom
3. Multiple Real Housewives of Godknowswhere
The flipside is that she happily watches a ton more Islanders (and Jets) games than most wives would. I wouldn’t say she’s a “fan,” but I’m confident that she knows more about the Islanders’ current roster than the majority of hockey writers/broadcasters.
"It's too bad he lives in the city. He's depriving some small village of a pretty good idiot" - Mike Milbury on Ziggy Palffy's agent Paul Kraus during Palffy's contract holdout in 1998.
1. Every cycle of America’s Next Top Model
2. Almost every episode of Teen Mom
3. Multiple Real Housewives of Godknowswhere
That is grounds for divorce, or at least a charge for spousal abuse. I don’t understand the appeal of Teen Mom, it’s really just a tragic, tragic show.
Official choice of Lighthouse Dog #1.
by Fabtraption on Jun 23, 2011 10:31 AM EDT up reply actions
Not to derail this whole thread but...
My take on it is that it really does want to show that being a teen mom is extremely, life-crushingly difficult and can be avoided with just a drop of common sense. Unfortunately, any good intentions it may have had have gotten crushed themselves by celebrity, ratings, money, etc. Or maybe I’m just an optimist. It’s also a million times more tolerable than that My Super Sweet 16, which I banned from my home after nearly causing me to have a psychotic breakdown.
Fortunately, there are many, many shows that we mutually enjoy. We don’t just take turns either yelling at idiot teenagers or yelling at Blake Comeau.
It barely matters anyway. With a one-year-old, the majority of our TV time revolves around Dora, Diego and the rest of the Nick Jr crowd.
"It's too bad he lives in the city. He's depriving some small village of a pretty good idiot" - Mike Milbury on Ziggy Palffy's agent Paul Kraus during Palffy's contract holdout in 1998.
by PGI on Jun 23, 2011 10:41 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
my wife owns the remote
so I feel your pain with ANTM, Teen Mom, and Real Housewives, plus the Today Show, American Idol, all that business. But then again I’ve dragged her to countless hockey games, and now she actually loves hockey.
She also loves football more than me and is a baseball fan so not everything is bad, but with 1 year old I don’t even watch TV anymore, and had to give up cable to go to grad school.
I OWN MY OWN REMOTE!!!!!
My EX owns her own remote. Easy solution for those who need a solution.
We are all Islanders, even if we are in Jersey!
by Russel Ginart on Jun 23, 2011 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
There's an idea
My next prenup will have a “No Rangers” clause.
Worse...mine's a Flyers fan. YUK!
But when we were dating she took me to a game at Wachovia. She thought “easy win for Flyers”. Aucoin scored from about center ice. Almost ended it right there. :-)
She won’t watch islanders games with me, so I watch with my dog. I did watch Dancing with the Stars with her, but I was, after all, rooting for Hines Ward, so does that count?
Aye
The flipside is that she happily watches a ton more Islanders
Yeah, I accept Bravo shows as a domestic transaction cost for watching so many Islanders games. Especially since, with LHH, I “have to watch” them, honey.
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- but what other party could be more important that night? LOL
Is your GF an Islanders fan as well, Pauly? Wasn’t clear from that tag-on…..
She's becoming one, but ultimately doesn't care
She at least knows Grabner and KO now. She’s a lot like Pretty Good Idiot’s chick. Except we don’t live together so usually I just avoid her on game nights if possible.
"It don't make you a bad person" - Ron Bennington
Its becoming quite an offseason for the isles. I think frans will finaly get recognition in this league. A full season with okey and grabs…he’s for sure to be a selke finalist.
I don’t mean to discredit the season skinner had…but I feel couture should have gotten the award. He helped the sharks make the playoffs. And grabs is an all around better player then skinner. It was proven on the ice and on the stat sheet.
I feel skinner won solely based on popularity.
Something special is going on with the blue and orange. It starts tomm. This may be our biggest draft. We could be picking the missing piece. The days of being the laughing stock are over as now our players are starting to be nominated for awards.
Next yr as previously mentioned…streit or a-mac could easily be a norris nominee. Frans will be a top 3 ske candidate, nino will be a calder finalist, jt and grabs could very well compete for the league scoring title.
Let’s go islanders.
by mdesarmo on Jun 23, 2011 7:39 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
I love Doug Weight
in an ‘I am jealous of his wife for gettin that’ kind of way.
Let Us Go, Islanders! (Ever notice how strange that sounds without the contraction?)
by TheMetalChick on Jun 23, 2011 8:40 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
In the looks department
His wife is no slouch herself.
Lighthouse Hockey: A flute with no holes is not a flute. A Dane with no holes is Frans Nielsen.
Fringe benefits of being a star athlete
His wife is no slouch herself.
Doug weights wife
Is a top LHH search term the last 3 days
When the Isles make us drink, we curse Milbury through a monocle and with our pinkies out. Lighthouse Hockey & Chivas-All Class.
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by Keith Quinn on Jun 23, 2011 11:54 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Perverts
When the Isles make us drink, we curse Milbury through a monocle and with our pinkies out. Lighthouse Hockey & Chivas-All Class.
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by Keith Quinn on Jun 23, 2011 11:55 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Ha!
Crap, we shoulda run a photo. I always feel too creepy to do that, even though tons of her photos turn up in the story editor.
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You guys
Would do anything for hits. Such search term whores
"Playin hurt, baby that don't faze me. I don't got time for pain. The only pain I've got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is!"
Awww, that's a Viagra mean thing to say, you soccer player's wife's boob, you
Why don’t you just get away to a beach vacation, take a Vicodin and work on your 10 Best Ways to Meet Girls and Make Money from Home list, you son of a Paris Hilton’s Britney skirt, you.
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by Dominik on Jun 23, 2011 12:02 PM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
There you go TMC; Fatal Attraction II
We are all Islanders, even if we are in Jersey!
by Russel Ginart on Jun 23, 2011 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions
It started out as an innocent Isles fan crush
Then:

Actually, my dog caught and brought me a rabbit last night, so that image is giving me flashbacks.
Lighthouse Hockey: A flute with no holes is not a flute. A Dane with no holes is Frans Nielsen.
by Dominik on Jun 23, 2011 11:58 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
This is weird
That’s the second time I’ve seen that picture this week
"Playin hurt, baby that don't faze me. I don't got time for pain. The only pain I've got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is!"
not that there's anything wrong with that
"It don't make you a bad person" - Ron Bennington
Excuse me...
…is this where the Doug Weight Man-Crush Support Group meeting is? I’d like to sign up.
"It's too bad he lives in the city. He's depriving some small village of a pretty good idiot" - Mike Milbury on Ziggy Palffy's agent Paul Kraus during Palffy's contract holdout in 1998.
by PGI on Jun 23, 2011 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Posted to Puck Daddy's related thread for our edification (I HOPE):
‘The continuing bias against the New York Islanders, on this site and most others, is absolutely DISGUSTING; for anyone bothering to compare his REGULAR-SEASON (playoff success should have NO bearing whatsoever upon consideration for it) stats to those of Skinner and Couture, Michael Grabner was the clear and deserving winner – let’s SEE: leading rookie goal scorer with 34, ties teammate and most worthy Selke nominee (better than sixth for certain in the running, though) Franz Nielsen for OVERALL number of shorthanded tallies with 6 each, not only has the best plus/minus ratio of all 3 candidates but posts the unprecedented power-play/shorthanded stat of ZERO, and oh yes, has the greatest number of breakaways, highest percentage of subsequent conversions, in the entire league as well, on a team that finished near the bottom again, thanks to an absurd amount of injuries as much as anything else – yet due to a RIDICULOUS , petulant Tri-State hockey writers’ boycott, finishes a very distant 3rd (I realize you need to be impartial, Justin but, as the son of an Islanders leading light in Bob Bourne, your vote is an incredible disappointment)……utterly disgraceful! But interestingly, Grabs got the loudest applause when his name was announced in Las Vegas – no knock on Jeff Skinner’s truly impressive showing this past season, but the players and most fans attending KNEW who really should’ve won……’
I understand where you're coming from
but here’s the bottom line: if you win, you’re awesome; if you lose you’re a joke;
if you lose for 15 years, go thru 3 or 4 owners, employ the worst GM in hockey history for a decade, play in what is widely considered the worst building in the league and have one of the worst contracts in NHL history on your books for the next 10 years…..then you’re going to have to handle the disrespect and some jokes. It’s the nature of the beast.
We’ll get back though, sooner than later I would bet.
"It don't make you a bad person" - Ron Bennington
Summer of Doug and the Selke
You know, Doug Weight may BR the best hype man since Flava Flav. If the Isles are smart, they piggy back off this national performance and get him on as much press tour as possible…he should be at the draft also. I haven’t seen any of the vids yet because my computer’s broken, but even seeing the stills of him with his arm around Jay Mohr makes me think he can be quite the politician…do we have our Mario? (* 80% less whining)
That list of Selke votes is a complete bastardization of voting. Brad Richards? Milan Lucic? Prust, Boyle, Giroux, Leino, Legwand. Just so many wasted homer votes.
Just goes to show you that when there aren’t any (popular) metrics to use like G/A/Pts, writers will go with the eye test and the guy who lifts some memorable sticks gets the nod. Whether or not the local PHWA withheld votes, that list is still terrible. Craig Adams, Pascal DuPuis, Zenon Konopka…good God!
When the Isles make us drink, we curse Milbury through a monocle and with our pinkies out. Lighthouse Hockey & Chivas-All Class.
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by Keith Quinn on Jun 23, 2011 9:27 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
Weight will be at the draft
Whether he gets a talker’s role or just a learning computer role, we’ll see.
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Is E from Entourage
going to be there again?
"Playin hurt, baby that don't faze me. I don't got time for pain. The only pain I've got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is!"
I wouldn't doubt it
I’m trying to remember if they’ve had him two years in a row or if it was some other celeb Isles fan. I tend to be behind on any pop culture references that emerged after 2002.
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This year's token celebrity Long Island-native at the Islanders podium
will be Pat Benatar. Next year: a Baldwin brother to be named later.
Mariah Carey refuses to return our calls.
"It's too bad he lives in the city. He's depriving some small village of a pretty good idiot" - Mike Milbury on Ziggy Palffy's agent Paul Kraus during Palffy's contract holdout in 1998.
I dont think you can equate him to Mario, forget about playing (not even close)
what he did for Pens as a player and exec is off the charts….Doug Weight got a job offer with the last team he happened to play for…
Isles Popularity.
I guess the next test for the Isles Popularity will be when the TV schedule comes out. We’ll see how many games are picked up by the National Broadcasters. I think Weight should pitch Versus/NBC board rooms, after becoming a king.
by O.Bender on Jun 23, 2011 9:54 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
If you're WEIGHTING for some games on National TV
Your grandkid might come watch it with you in the nursing home.
What does NBC show? 6 different teams? And Versus shows the same 6 with a couple others thrown in there now and then.
"We can't get pushed around," Haley said. "What commentators say about us, that's their job. My job is to try and limit as many people who want to take liberties with our guys as possible."
by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Jun 23, 2011 10:01 AM EDT up reply actions
Instead of the Original 6
It’s the NBC 6.
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Considering the Winter Classic was just announced as Flyers/Rags
I don’t think we’ll be getting much national TV time.
Official choice of Lighthouse Dog #1.
by Fabtraption on Jun 23, 2011 10:11 AM EDT up reply actions
Grabs got a 1st place Selke vote
REALLY interesting.
Vote Yes on August 1st.
Even Henrik Sedin got a vote!
These are two guys that Vigneault keeps completely away from defensive assignments to maximize their offense. How he got even one vote is pretty funny. If you play more PP than SH minutes you should be disqualified from this award. It is now the best offensive forward that plays defense and we couldn’t find another award to give them because they get too many penalties for the Lady Byng.
I think a great deal of Malholtra and was hoping the Islanders could sign him last off season, but I have issue with him being above Nielsen. Looks like they had a Canucks quota for Selke this year since they didn’t want a Sedin repeat.
Really none of it matters as you can tell by the voting patterns.
Nassau Coliseum lost a veteran and an original Islander fan. ACC 1918-2011
Win.
It is now the best offensive forward that plays defense and we couldn’t find another award to give them because they get too many penalties for the Lady Byng.
Lighthouse Hockey: A flute with no holes is not a flute. A Dane with no holes is Frans Nielsen.
Wow, some harsh words from @bossy5050
who is the DI.. disrespecting MY TEAM at the NHL AWARDS SHOW. I never find disrespectful humor funny
web • 6/22/11 8:09 PM
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by Keith Quinn on Jun 23, 2011 10:20 AM EDT via mobile reply actions 1 recs
Like I needed more reason to love mike Bossy
I like how he wouldn’t type out the whole word D-i-c-k.
Class.
With people like Glen Healy and Chris Osgood dogging on us, it’s nice to see a real Islander stand up for us.
"We can't get pushed around," Haley said. "What commentators say about us, that's their job. My job is to try and limit as many people who want to take liberties with our guys as possible."
by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Jun 23, 2011 5:52 PM EDT up reply actions
That Skinner interview
is completely hilarious, especially the end.
Wow, that Army stuff is really bizarro. We’re just gonna throw a recruitment commercial right in the middle of this here awards ceremony.
by afrosupreme on Jun 23, 2011 10:20 AM EDT reply actions 2 recs
I wonder how many Canadians went "WTF our game?!" at that part
When, really, if the Micronesia Armed Forces offered to sponsor an award as part of a multi-year sponsorship, I’m sure the NHL would let them.
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i think it would have been a lot more interesting
to see some mounties ride in on moose and present Doug with the award
Intently glued to every COZO
by Chris McNally on Jun 23, 2011 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions
SOS
So the Islanders got blanked at the awards. What a shocker!!?? Frans and Grabs were bad enough but how does Garth Snow not even make the list of GM’s?? And Ricky gets 0 votes for the Vezina (OK, I’m sorry but I could not resist). SO WHAT!! By the end of next year maybe we will start getting the respect we desperately crave. A playoff berth would be nice, a playoff round victory would be enormous, and then maybe the NHL will take notice. Skinner and Couture are great young players (Couture was my 2nd pick) and deserving of their honors. Frans certainly should have finished higher but so it goes for the Isles and their loyal following. That was last year and I am already getting psyched about the upcoming season. GO ISLES GO!!!!!
Youth WILL be served!!
The REBUILD marches on!!
by upstateislesfan on Jun 23, 2011 10:36 AM EDT reply actions
Garth still has work to do... a lot of work!
I think Snow has done a great job, but he hasn’t accomplished anything on his watch. He’ll be getting votes next year, and probably at the podium within 3 years but he still has to get some stains off his resume…(not for us, but for the outside critics)
1. Dipietro was signed under his watch. HUGE MISTAKE, though he probably had nothing to do with it.
2. The first coach he hired failed. Gordon probably has a lot of respect in hockey circles, but he was not the right choice for the team in 2008, and that sits heavy on Snow’s resume
3. Smyth bolts on his watch… followed by almost everybody that mattered in their playoff run. He was unable to ice an NHL team in 2007-08… and again in 2008-09.
4. Josh Bailey. It’s clear now that having him play in the NHL in 2008-09 was a mistake. If not for the team, definitely for josh.
5. 2 goaltenders in 2 consecutive rounds when they needed talent at every position. they did this to have 9 goaltenders in their organizational inventory. Both have faired well… but at the time I think we all agreed that it was a risk when they didn’t have extra darts to fling all over the board.
6. LUCK of FAILURE… Moulson comes in a scratcher 5 pack, maybe because he is friendly with tavares… who we obtained because the 2008-09 team was a failure… nobody makes anything of the other four AHLers signed at the same time. Grabner comes as the reward for being the highest team on the waiver list with roster space to take a chance on a lazy(?) European skater… who they can eventually pair with the scurge of denmark.
As an Islander fan I think he has progressed past the point of judgement on most of these points. But he has yet to land a UFA that is being courted by contenders… or at least has options (that may be hard to prove). He has also yet to find a solution to the Dipietro conundrum… and that may take putting his nutsack in the meat grinder… but he’s gonna have to do it to move forward.
As we’ve said the last three years, this off season will be huge in creating what kind of team the islanders become. I think most of us are happy with where they are relative to where they were 3 years ago… but if they take a step backwards, or fail to be in the playoff race next march… well.. how long will Snow’s rope be then? I don’t expect that, but you have to remember that Arbour was on the plank there for a while before the cups started rolling in.
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by JPinVA on Jun 23, 2011 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Yeah
I think what Snow’s done with the cards he’s been dealt has been astute. He’s methodically doing things right. But there was a lot to clean up, there were errors/risks that didn’t work out in the beginning, and he has a long way to go on the ice before he can go from “That guy is doing smart things” to “We should give that guy a nebulous award.” (Ignore for the moment that Yzerman is worshiped for his playing career plus having the luck to take over a good recent Cup winner after a good owner saved it from some horrible ones.)
I think I’ve mentioned, I found out N. Smith was axed and Snow hired from the bottom line ticker while I was on a beach vacation. With the sun and sand on my mind and hockey having run me through a lockout, my reaction was “You gotta be PAP-ing kidding me.” I was on the brink, as I was still wounded it took so long to get rid of He Who Shall Not Be Named. The RDP deal, Wang-wed or not, did not help.
Snow changed my mind by the end of the year though. The Smyth gamble was ballsy and still defensible in my book. The evolution in approach had me thinking, by summer 2007, that I could dig this enough to write about it every day. Whereas HWSNBN made me feel helpless, Snow’s moves generally make me think, “I understand why he might do this” even when I don’t agree with them.
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I'm NOT faulting Snow on the Smyth deal either.
As a GM, I would have done the same thing. It did not work out, so what. What did work out was that the organization realized that the team needed re-structuring, hence the rebuild. We will all be a lot happier in the end for it.
We are all Islanders, even if we are in Jersey!
by Russel Ginart on Jun 23, 2011 1:20 PM EDT up reply actions
I liked the deal back then...
and still like it.
Snow changed my mind by the end of the year though. The Smyth gamble was ballsy and still defensible in my book. The evolution in approach had me thinking, by summer 2007, that I could dig this enough to write about it every day. Whereas HWSNBN made me feel helpless, Snow’s moves generally make me think, "I understand why he might do this" even when I don’t agree with them.
…and “ballsy” is a good word to describe it. If they landed Guerin at that point it would have been less of a circus, and he would have stayed. I believe that was their first target. Smyth leaving just added to the circus atmosphere, and the exodus. It was a prety big bump… but that change of direction eventually led to the 2008 draft, Tavares, Nino and a restocked inventory of talent.
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JP! got up on the wrong side of the bed today?
Man thats some “SNOW JOB” you put on “Garth Vader!” Cheer up look at the past GMs and tell me they were perfect. I grade the job he is doing a B+. Sure he’s got issues to deal with but I think it is all working out just fine so far!
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by Russel Ginart on Jun 23, 2011 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Heh, maybe my JP-ese book is an older edition
But I read that as JP grading Snow at least a B so far.
Lighthouse Hockey: A flute with no holes is not a flute. A Dane with no holes is Frans Nielsen.
more accurate...
B+… an A if you factor in circumstances.
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I just listed the bad..
but I said that I thought he was doing a “great” job, and I have quite often listed the tremendous work he’s done since autonomy.
Your interpreter is off a bit… but understandabe. I wrote it in the context of why he wouldn’t get jack Adams consideration right now.
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Adams consideration
That, and the fact he hasn’t put himself behind the bench … yet.
/pedant
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He did win Sport Illsutrated exec of the year in 06 didn't he?
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You could consider Moulson a 'lucky' addition
and you’d be right. But Snow did what he should do. It’s a rebuild, get the guys out that don’t serve a purpose anymore (non-prospects, older vets) and fill the 50 spots with intriguing guys that have had success but lacked opportunity. If you hit on one or two, that just makes the rebuild go that much faster.
I love what Snow does and am right with Dom on this. And based on the practical, methodical thought process Snow seems to show with his personnel moves, I have to believe that DP’s contract was all Wang.
"It don't make you a bad person" - Ron Bennington
This
Much of what JP blames on garth he had no controll over. I don’t think any amount of money could of kept Smythe. In the end we didn’t give up very much at all to bring him in as a rental so no harm no foul. The DP cotract I think had more to do with Wang- who Snow still has to answer to, than Snow.
Ultimately, the team has to win
There’s no denying that. Until they pile up wins consistently and deep into the Spring, they’ll still be considered a laughingstock.
That being said, a lot of what Snow’s done (or hasn’t done) can plausibly be chalked up to “Learning on the Job” with as a little resources as possible. The DiPietro contract was Mr. Wang’s way of showing his commitment to the team and its players. Unfortunately, Rick’s knees and hips didn’t get the memo.
Bailey being rushed, Smyth walking despite a bigger offer than Colorado’s, Hamhuis and Martin choosing other teams last summer, Gordon’s hiring and firing. I get the feeling that Snow has learned from these episodes and is trying to do what’s right. I see proof in sending Nino back to juniors, promoting Captain Jack, trying to get the word out that the players are treated well by the Islanders, signing current players to fair but still lucrative contracts.
Unless a Crosby or Ovechkin comes along, rebuilds take time. This one has only been going on since 2007. And the rookies aren’t only on the ice. Compared to his predecessor, I like where Snow’s going and I’m willing to wait.
"It's too bad he lives in the city. He's depriving some small village of a pretty good idiot" - Mike Milbury on Ziggy Palffy's agent Paul Kraus during Palffy's contract holdout in 1998.
YES.......
Ultimately, the team has to win, BUT the second half of last season proved that the team DID win. It was too bad that the Isles were out of the playoff hunt by Thanksgiving. I say erase the first half of last year and concentrate on what happened the second half. Re-bulds take time, many of us old-timers witnessed what resulted in the very first building of this team back in the 70’s Four Cups. I am not saying that THIS team will win four cups but, this team as it gets more mature and experienced will contend for a cup for a few years to come.
We are all Islanders, even if we are in Jersey!
by Russel Ginart on Jun 23, 2011 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Yep...
that’s where I was going. They don’t do documentaries on losers… That’s why Endy Chavez still isn’t a household name in NY.
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(tear...) he should've been somebody!!! (sobbing......)
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Coach was hs decisions
Out of your list, I consider this to be his main fail. Gordon didn’t work out and it was his choice.
1.DiPi is a non-starter, he was signed by the owner and I cannot conceive of putting that on Snow’s resume.
2. Gordon was his choice and he failed. Snow fired him before his deal was up, so he has to admit that it was not the right choice.
3. Smyth was a great move at the time and it wound up being a bag of pucks for a rental. So he jettisoned some flotsam and jetsam that were from the previous regime to make a statement.
4. Bailey is a tough one. Is it the GM or the coach that decides the roster by determining ice time? I think his development has been hampered by being rushed, but I may also be biased since until a player is about 23 you usually have no clue as to how he will turn out. By the way Bailey dominated in his time in the AHL, so I could say he had nothing to learn there. By the way he plays in the NHL, I could say he needs AHL seasoning. In retrospect we could have had Filatov instead and be blamed for ruining him.
5. The Islanders can never have enough goaltenders. They went through around seven of them last season. They picked in the 2nd based on what they felt was best player available and round 3 by organizational need. Poulin wasn’t what we see today and there is no way you know Monotya is available for a sixth rounder. Reaching for DeHaan is also questionable, but any of these picks its still too soon.
6. Moulson had nothing to do with being bad, but with taking a chance and evaluating talent just like PAP. Did Anaheim signing Scott Neidermeyer help them any less because they had picked up his brother first?
I’m not at all concerned about getting into a bidding war on UFAs. They picked up Streit and "lost out" on Mike Komisarek. Wisnieski wasn’t my first choice, but the Islanders managed to make a trade that brought back value. Roloson wasn’t part of a bidding war either since premiere goaltenders like Khabibulin were being sought after. I’m more concerned with signing a guy like Mottau more so than even Eaton, since Eaton was an emergency signing. Mottau was a calculated decision and I didn’t see the fit last season.
PS
I grade him C+ to incomplete. You don’t pass muster until your team is in the playoffs. If the picks pan out his incomplete becomes a B+ to an A-. If the picks fail then the past few seasons of losing for draft picks makes it a bust of a re-build.
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by Hockey1919 on Jun 23, 2011 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Mottau v. Eaton
Point of order: Eaton was the one signed with Jurcina, while Mottau was signed late and emergency-like after Streit went down, no?
(Not to gloss over the rest of your post, which I pretty much nod in agreement.)
Lighthouse Hockey: A flute with no holes is not a flute. A Dane with no holes is Frans Nielsen.
You are correct. I meant the opposite of what I said, in other words what you said.
Eaton worse than Mottau considering the circumstances, not necessarily the play on the ice. Although I found both lackluster (to be polite). Eaton was a calculated decision, Mottau was an @wesh!t moment.
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I can't disagree with these points...
… but will add that my B+ is based on where the team is NOW compared to where it was 3 years ago.. and wht my expectations were… and are.
There was NOTHING in the bin before the 2008 draft. There were “prospects” on the cusp like Comeau and Nielsen, but almost zilch behind them. Not one first liner (vet or prospect) and a defense that was led by such luminaries as Brendan Witt and Sean Hill.
On Bailey, my concerns are not that he is “ruined”, but not the same player that he was when they drafted him. He captained a team that went through a great tragedy… he led them to some success, and they were prepared to follow him to battle again. Instead he was given two hours a day of whiteboard hockey, and a team that wasn’t ready to compete for anything but the first pick in the next year’s draft. He also would have been a key on that WJC team, rather than watching his peers over the holidays, and getting a week of repoup time.
I expect big things from Bailey because THAT is in him. THAT doesn’t leave. He would have had an extra year in juniors, then a year under good leadership in the A where he may have also dominated… then he makes it to the Islanders in his third year… That might have been a disaster… but it was better than rushing him to sell 100 extra seats a night… and having a kid who sometimes looks like he’s not sure what his role should be.
That’s on the GM… because there’s no way Gordon was making htat call in year one.
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I don't really care about awards that are voted for, I care about the Trophies you win.
I’ll trade every single award handed out like candy last night, for a Stanley Cup. I thought it was fair for Grabner to be nominated, but I didn’ t think he’d win since Skinner seemed to be the compelling story. I didn’t like some of the rationales posted as to why GRabner shoudln’t have won, but I have no problem with him not winning.
Nielsen was sixth in voting, so what? That’s pretty damn good and I could argue that Grabner split some of the vote. You need a national profile to win these awards since they are like the OScars and more about promotion than merit. Except of coursewhen we win won and then it is affirmation that our players are the best.
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"Lindstrom"
The best defenseman of our generation— have I been pronouncing his name incorrectly all these years, or was the microphone just screwy?
by North Dakota Red Eagle on Jun 23, 2011 11:09 AM EDT reply actions
Sundstrom/Sandstrom Syndrome maybe?
I didn’t hear them, or didn’t notice them adding an “n” in. But I’m pretty sure when he first came to the league I pronounced it that way out of habit from Patrik and Tomas.
Lighthouse Hockey: A flute with no holes is not a flute. A Dane with no holes is Frans Nielsen.
Calder was very close
…in my eyes. Easy to make a case for any of the three as long as age isn’t considered…. If Grabner plays next season the way he did the 2nd half of this past one, he’ll be in contention for another trophy.
by North Dakota Red Eagle on Jun 23, 2011 11:13 AM EDT reply actions
To quote my favourite cigar chomping puppet mutt, Triumph the Insult Comic Dog, on Jay Mohr:
His career is like my poop: hot for five minutes
There's a mountain of buoyant nostalgia under this team and it's going to erupt like Vesuvius when the Islanders are back in playoff contention.... Count on it.
by Nova Scotia Isles Fan on Jun 23, 2011 11:14 AM EDT reply actions 2 recs
ha...I am shocked that the best the NHL can do is Jay Mohr, Wanda Sykes is more relevant
and as equally unfunny.
I've always wondered why Denis Leary never hosted one of these shows.
He’s funny, a big hockey fan and about 10x more famous than Mohr.
Lambert brings up a great idea in his Puck Daddy wrap-up for future awards shows: Jon Hamm
"It's too bad he lives in the city. He's depriving some small village of a pretty good idiot" - Mike Milbury on Ziggy Palffy's agent Paul Kraus during Palffy's contract holdout in 1998.
By the BYE.....
……figured you were quite pleased with Hamm’s shout-out to St. Louis (BLUES, not Martin) and I, too, would welcome him hosting (much as I absolutely DETEST ‘Mad Men’)…..
Yeah, I was glad he went off script
He seemed to want a little too much face time, but whatever.
I’d be fine with Hamm. I was honestly fine with Mohr — maybe because my expectations were extremely low. I just don’t think there’s much you can do in an official NHL show capacity. They will tone you down. He got in sex, virginity, pot in Vancouver, and some joke-by-numbers digs at the lottery teams. As a distraction between awards, it was fine.
And actually, his acting in the opening 24/6 gimmick was pretty good.
Lighthouse Hockey: A flute with no holes is not a flute. A Dane with no holes is Frans Nielsen.
Because of my kid the most recognizable celebrity there was
the kid from Wizards of Waverly Place………..{sigh}
You're not gonna BELIEVE this, but
just got off the phone with the first person who answered at the NHL offices in Manhattan and I was……the first person to have commented on the awards show at ALL…..really stressed how stressed I was at the overall treatment our team has gotten for years, too!
Rob Schremp Hockey sighting?
Was that RSH sitting behind Corey Perry last night? They were junior teammates, right?
Lighthouse Hockey: A flute with no holes is not a flute. A Dane with no holes is Frans Nielsen.
I don't know, some of those soldiers lacked an explosive second step
But they have the chance to fill out. And some of them are already fighting with men…
Lighthouse Hockey: A flute with no holes is not a flute. A Dane with no holes is Frans Nielsen.
I heard there was a draft on Friday, but I didn't think it was that kind of draft.
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You kids thought you were being picked to go to NHL teams?
Fooled you! First round of picks goes straight to Iraq!
"Playin hurt, baby that don't faze me. I don't got time for pain. The only pain I've got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is!"
Second round picks go to Afghanistan. That's a motivator to go in the first.
This comment is in no way intended to belittle the servicemen and women that are currently overseas.
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So Capuano got a 3rd-place Adams vote
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by Dominik on Jun 23, 2011 12:47 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Crawford?
Whhhaaat???
Some people need to have their votes taken away
"Playin hurt, baby that don't faze me. I don't got time for pain. The only pain I've got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is!"
selke = gold glove
just as the mlb gold glove award has become an award for offense so too the selke.when players like jeter get a gg,its obviously based on offense/popularity.joe mauer is a nice defensive catcher,but no wiz behind the plate.he won a gg because he is the top AL catcher offensively. frans nielsen doesnt have the offensive #s to draw attention to his overall play. i seriously do not believe there are 5 players in the league better than him defensively.his work on the pk + shg attest to only a small sample of his overall amazing instincts. i respect kesler’s game ,datsuyk too,but this is clearly an offensive award(double entendre intended
by Lakewood Islander on Jun 23, 2011 12:48 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
If today's criteria were used when Gainey was winning this award, then Trottier would be a 5 time Selke winner.
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Damn, that's a good point
The award has evolved in what I think is a well-meaning but poorly executed way. I point to Rick freaking Meagher winning on a small-market near-President’s trophy team in 1991. He was a good shadow — but nothing more. Part of me always thought that’s really cool that there’s an award for that type of guy. The plumber’s award if you will.
Datsyuk is something special, but otherwise the awarding for “he’s good and plays defense and has too many PIM for the Byng” isn’t my thing.
Lighthouse Hockey: A flute with no holes is not a flute. A Dane with no holes is Frans Nielsen.
Fedorov is the line I draw in changing the criteria.
It isn’t hard and fast since then, but he seems to be the one that broke the mold from defensive specialist to he scores all the time and he has the ability to stop you. He was the Hart and Selke winner in the same season as well, which tells you the voting was odd to say the least.
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THAT'S it
Wow, my mind has officially reached full capacity for information. I’d forgotten Fedorov. I knew it wasn’t Datsyuk, but I was thinking of a Wing and … yeah, well Fedorov as the turning point was in a dark cellar where my calculus and trigonometry skills went to die.
Lighthouse Hockey: A flute with no holes is not a flute. A Dane with no holes is Frans Nielsen.
selke = gold glove
just as the mlb gold glove award has become an award for offense so too the selke.when players like jeter get a gg,its obviously based on offense/popularity.joe mauer is a nice defensive catcher,but no wiz behind the plate.he won a gg because he is the top AL catcher offensively. frans nielsen doesnt have the offensive #s to draw attention to his overall play. i seriously do not believe there are 5 players in the league better than him defensively.his work on the pk + shg attest to only a small sample of his overall amazing instincts. i respect kesler’s game ,datsuyk too,but this is clearly an offensive award(double entendre intended
by Lakewood Islander on Jun 23, 2011 12:48 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
crappy phone misbehaving again
by Lakewood Islander on Jun 23, 2011 1:00 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Some tweets and thoughts (Carter to Columbus trade!)
Ian Mendes
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by NHLHotStove
Bryan Murray says he has tried to move up in the draft, but the 5 teams ahead of Ottawa don’t seem to be willing to trade their spot.
3 minutes ago
Why wouldn’t the Isles do this unless they and the Sens are targeting the same guy?
Pierre LeBrun
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From Mr. Dreger: RT @DarrenDreger: Sources say Robyn Regehr has been asked to waive his no-move clause and accept a trade to the Sabres
Think he’ll do it?
Ace
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by Artemchubarov
on this date in 2001, Mike Milbury fatally overdosed on crazy pills.
35 minutes ago
HOLY SHIT!!!
Pierre LeBrun
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As first reported by Bob McKenzie, I can also confirm Jeff Carter traded to Columbus. More to come
56 seconds ago
Bob McKenzie
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Hearing CBJ gives Voracek, 1st round pick and 3rd round pick for Carter.
2 minutes ago
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Also
DHSpeedwagon
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On this date in 2001 Mike Milbury awarded lifetime achievement award in the field of suck.
7 minutes ago
When the Isles make us drink, we curse Milbury through a monocle and with our pinkies out. Lighthouse Hockey & Chivas-All Class.
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Sens/Isles
“Why wouldn’t the Isles do this unless they and the Sens are targeting the same guy?”
-—————
Because the Isles don’t know for sure who Sens are targeting, right? And they also don’t know if a top-4 slips.
by North Dakota Red Eagle on Jun 23, 2011 7:50 PM EDT reply actions
I would think that would be a standard question when there is only a one space discrepency
and I’m not sure how well lying goes over in those instances…they may have said they don’t want to tell, or that they are both going after the same player. I think it would be different if you are talking the difference between the 5th and the 12th pick, but if it is within 3 picks, you find out or don’t make the deal.
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