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Islanders-Nassau Coliseum Lease: $14 million rent; 11.5% revenue sharing

Wang and Mangano: Partners in dime

The fuller details and pledges for the proposed lease agreement (for a new Coliseum) between Nassau County and New York Islanders owner Charles Wang were released today. If you saw Newsday's advance piece, there wasn't much new at the public press conference as presented by Wang and County Executive Ed Mangano. But among the highlights are:

  • As previously stated, a new 30-year lease to keep the Isles there through 2045 ("30 year lease" still gives me bad memories; couldn't they make it 29 or 31?)
  • The Islanders would pay $14 million annually in rent for the new facility
  • County taxpayers are "guaranteed 11.5 percent of dollars" generated at the new Islanders-managed arena from all events (not just Islander games)

More details, projections, and promises below:

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Wang: 'We Need This, and We Deserve This'

Here's Wang's full speech. He was referring to Long Island and Nassau County ("our kids and our future") -- not just himself or the Islanders -- but you know the "we deserve this" quote will be used both ways depending on the orientation of the voice that relays it.

Here are pledges listed in the press release, some of which will be challenged by critics of the plan in an uncertain economic climate, with uncertain revenue potential:

  • Projection: Camoin Associates says the plan would generate $1.2 billion for the County
  • How that money is to be used: $350 million to build the new arena (including demolishing the existing one); $433 million in debt service payments; $403 million to "hold the line on property taxes"
  • Impact: 3,040 permanent jobs, 1,515 new construction jobs, according to Camoin
  • The sharing of areener revenues: Again, 11.5 percent of every dollar generated from all events at the new arena goes to the County.

Or as Mangano put it: "Every pretzel, every hot dog, ticket, the taxpayers of Nassau County will receive a share of the revenue..." Due to the $14 million annual rent, the thinking is that the money is "guaranteed" to be paid to Nassau.

As previously stated in Newsday, the lease agreement is for a new arena only. Any potential development at the site beyond that will be subject to new Request for Proposals -- which means poor Charles Wang will be subject to still more RFPs if he wants to do anything more with the land other than build the locals a new Coliseum and keep their hockey team in place.

Wang, by the way, (or the Islanders), still pledges to reimburse the County for the cost of the Aug. 1 referendum if it passes.

Details and Further Public Hearings

The lease agreement announced today was structured by Christopher L. Melvin, managing director of Nixon Peabody’s Public Finance group who specifically focuses on stadium and sports finance. To ensure full transparency, both the lease agreement and bonds needed for construction must be approved by the Office of Management and Budget, Independent Office of Budget Review, County Legislature, County Comptroller and Nassau Interim Finance Authority.

The County Executive will host a series of public information meetings from 12:00 p.m. to 2:00 p.m. and from 4:00 p.m. to 8:00 p.m. on:

  • Wednesday, June 29th at the East Meadow Library at 1886 Front St. (Town of Hempstead).
  • Thursday, June 30th at the William P. Bennett Hicksville Community Center at 28 West Carl St. (Town of Oyster Bay).
  • Friday, July 1st at the American Legion Hall at 730 Willis Ave. in Williston Park (Town of N. Hempstead).

    Additional public information meetings will be held July 11th through July 15th.

This all, of course, is information provided by the County Executive office and the Islanders -- the two entities who most want this referendum to pass and this new building to be constructed. There will be counterpoints and doubts, and we're not glossing over those here.

But before residents and skeptics question what's on the table, they've go to know what's on the table. Now it's out there.

For the Islanders-centric view: What will a $14 million annual rent payment mean for the club? The current cap floor is expected around $48 million and likely to keep going up by 2015.

Poll
How do you think this Nassau Coliseum proposal will turn out?
Referendum passes, but other roadblocks (legislature? NIFA?) get in the way.
143 votes
Referendum passes, new building is built, Bobby Nystrom Coliseum is christened.
144 votes
Stops Aug. 1 when the referendum is voted down.
26 votes
Municipal politics? I like hockey.
21 votes

334 votes | Poll has closed

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this is for a NEW arena rather than the refurbishing of the old one? Jeezum Crow, boys and girls, git ’er dun.

There's a mountain of buoyant nostalgia under this team and it's going to erupt like Vesuvius when the Islanders are back in playoff contention.... Count on it.

by Nova Scotia Isles Fan on Jun 22, 2011 1:10 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

Cool, that first meeting

I can literally walk to…and no kids that night. I’ll cover it.

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by Keith Quinn on Jun 22, 2011 1:20 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

Rock on

The Mighty Quinn on the scene talkin’ areener at the East Meadow Library…

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by Dominik on Jun 22, 2011 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

he can hang out with Criss Angel

What? A new areener and a good hockey team? MINDFREAK!!!!!

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by mikb on Jun 22, 2011 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Excellent

He needs to show up in all-black topless bondage/emo/whatever apparel.

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by Dominik on Jun 22, 2011 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Come on

without

Proud to root for the Jets, Mets, and Islanders!!!

by CharlieIsles on Jun 22, 2011 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Excellent! :)

Let Us Go, Islanders! (Ever notice how strange that sounds without the contraction?)

by TheMetalChick on Jun 22, 2011 6:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Maybe I'm a knucklehead, but

If the Islanders are paying $14M a year in rent AND the county receives 11.5% of revenue developed by all sales within the building (managed by the Isles) then the math works out to $26M in revenue from tix + concessions + parking to get to $40M per year and develop $1.2B over the lease term (assuming no rent increases). I have no idea how achievable the annual nut is, but if they were to tie revenue to the bond payments first and not allow any wiggle room for diverting the money to other political escapades, then this looks like a no brainer… which scares me. We all know politicians live for the wiggle room. So how do we tie them down so that our team does not move away?

by 19holekc on Jun 22, 2011 1:25 PM EDT reply actions  

I nthink what the thing says is that they are paying the 11.5%

with a guaranteed $14mil per year, not as well as the $14mil. It may project higher than that, but the $14m is what is guaranteed.

There's a mountain of buoyant nostalgia under this team and it's going to erupt like Vesuvius when the Islanders are back in playoff contention.... Count on it.

by Nova Scotia Isles Fan on Jun 22, 2011 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

not just hockey

The county isn’t just getting the money from Islanders games, they’re getting money (I think more of it, since I don’t think Wang’s getting anything) for concerts and other shows that are at the venue.

by dunnowhat2type on Jun 22, 2011 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

projections call for 1.2B in revenue

Thats 40m per year over the life of the lease. So that has to be the Isles rent plus 11.5% of revs from all events at the venue.. Wang is currently managing all this now, so I doubt he would give that up. Have no idea how realistic the rev estimate is. But the numbers make the project look attractive… so I am worried.

by 19holekc on Jun 22, 2011 10:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

More details please

I enjoyed the 3 grade reading level fact sheets, but I would love to read the lease and the econ analysis.

Also, does the 14 million count towards the 11.5%? Or is the 11.5% on top of the 14 million? So for example, if there are $115 million in revs (I like easy math), is Wang’s payment $14 million or $25.5 million ($14 million plus the 11.5% payment)? I thought the former, but now am not sure.

by DP'sknee(andhipandflubugandotherknee) on Jun 22, 2011 1:31 PM EDT reply actions  

It was my assumption it does

I mean, the $14 million “minimum payment” / rent has to come from somewhere, right? From your revenues? One of the stories made it sound like the County is hoping for greater revenues so that the payment exceed $14 million annually.

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by Dominik on Jun 22, 2011 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think you meant to say "$100 million"...

… since 11.5% of $100 million would be $11.5 million.

I like easy math, too, but only when it’s correct. ;-)

I’m pretty sure it’s 11.5% or $14 million, whichever is greater. If it was 11.5% PLUS $14 million, I don’t know how they’d be able to keep a competitive team on the ice.

Only half a year 'til Opening Night! ... *Sigh!*

by ICanSeeForIslesAndIsles on Jun 23, 2011 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Couple of questions or guesses

I would assume it would behoove CW to pay off the debt service as quickly as possible right? If he pays off more principle, he won’t have to pay as much just like with any other loan. On that note, businesses who show losses often get tax breaks right? It may actually make a lot of sense for CW to get that money taken care of quickly in order to make money.

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by Keith Quinn on Jun 23, 2011 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

I guess.

Although that’s assuming that the money definitely goes towards the debt. Politicians could always make the minimum payment, as it were, and use the rest of the money elsewhere. Maybe I’m just too pessimistic. Can’t imagine why, with this team’s recent history.

Only half a year 'til Opening Night! ... *Sigh!*

by ICanSeeForIslesAndIsles on Jun 24, 2011 12:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

Also...

Have the Dems chimed in since the announcement?

by DP'sknee(andhipandflubugandotherknee) on Jun 22, 2011 1:34 PM EDT reply actions  

Where do the Islanders play during demolision and construction?

How that money is to be used: $350 million to build the new arena (including demolishing the existing one); $433 million in debt service payments; $403 million to “hold the line on property taxes”

Does this mean a new Areener will be built next to the old one? The team plays in the old areener while the new one is being built next to it?

We are all Islanders, even if we are in Jersey!

by Russel Ginart on Jun 22, 2011 2:01 PM EDT reply actions  

I believe so, yes

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by Dominik on Jun 22, 2011 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yup!

Let Us Go, Islanders! (Ever notice how strange that sounds without the contraction?)

by TheMetalChick on Jun 22, 2011 6:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Damb, I was hoping they would play in the old Continental Airlines Arena

for a year till the new areener was cmpleted, that way I could go see the Isles’ every home game! Oh well this Jersey could dream!

We are all Islanders, even if we are in Jersey!

by Russel Ginart on Jun 22, 2011 6:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Most importantly

Will the lease be printed on a parchment scroll like on that fact sheet? Will it begin with the words “hear ye, hear ye”? Maybe Mangano is hinting at all of the Renaissance Faires the new arena will be able to host!

by DP'sknee(andhipandflubugandotherknee) on Jun 22, 2011 2:20 PM EDT reply actions  

King Charles Wang - You shall not take this castle!

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by CharlieIsles on Jun 22, 2011 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

Does anybody else smell a lighthouse...

I get the feeling that this doesn’t really work without supplemental development and income from multi-use properties by Wang.
Once again this brings in the mantra of MISTAKE REPLACING MISTAKE.
PUT THE DAMN AREENER IN THE PARKING LOT AT BELMONT… and then do something useful/nice with the uniondale property… PLEASE divorce these two.
TWO BIGGEST ISSUES:
1. The NYI will be in the red as a stand alone entity for another 30 years. Nothing changes. When they do the books Wang will be losing $20-40M per year…. but hopfully making $100M+ on the office, condo and appartment rentals.
2. NO MASS TRANSIT for when the whole magilla is done. 10 years from now they MIGHT be able to survive rush hours with a completed multi use development in the area… but to get 18K people in there from 6:30-7:30 and out at 10:PM… NIGHTMARE.
So what is the bottom line… The Islanders are UNSELLABLE… and if CW wants to take all of those losses off the books… BANKRUPTCY… Though, you’d have to believe that the Islanders will then be divorced from the dfevelopment on paper… and the revenues will continue to flow. He’ll never be able to sell the team because they will be attached to the lease… and the “moving” inside NY option will be LONG LONG GONE.

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by JPinVA on Jun 22, 2011 2:40 PM EDT reply actions  

I don't think

there’s near enough room to put it at Belmont and maintain any degree of parking there.

by afrosupreme on Jun 22, 2011 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don' tthink people realize the area that is available...

… and the only time it is ever used is Belmont day, and for the Breeder’s Cup. Meanwhile, there is mass transit. If that only accomodates 25% of your occupants there is open parking that can be accessed locally to the building(walking distance) and satelite parking that could be managed with a shuttle system…. or… build a four level lot next to the areener… with covered parallel walkways so people won’t be exposed to the elements.
This isn’t really brain surgery… except when you’re trying to make something squeeze out a penny, that hasn’t done so in 40 years.
All this.. and you could have a shuttle to the track (racing ends just as hockey begins) and the Casino. There will also be at least one major hotel there… and plenty of support business (restaurants, lodging and alternate entertainment)

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by JPinVA on Jun 22, 2011 4:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't know

when I look at the map, a new building would take up the entire parking lot that runs along the Cross Island south of Hempstead Tpk. Every time I’ve been to Belmont, that seems to be where everybody parks. If there ends up being a casino there, losing that parking won’t fly.

I still think extending the line out to the current Coliseum site makes more sense. Be under a mile walk, and while public transportation is nice, unless things have drastically changed on Long Island since I lived there, I doubt too many people would use it.

by afrosupreme on Jun 22, 2011 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Both Belmont and Aqueduct...

…had HUGE spaces available that were used a few days a year… if ever. Aqueduct (or NYC) has since re-allocated that land for JFK. This is why the Casino is going to be built in th eBelmont Parking lot. There is definitely room enough for a complex. If you can build an areener over a trainstation wiping out a modern architectual masterpiece, then you can certainly build one in a satellite parking lot.
You also have the option of re-allocating barn areas, and the training track. It may not have been an option 20 years ago, but the racetracks are both costing too much to operate. One of them will be gone in 10-15 years. Simulcasting allows people to gamble at any track in the country all year long… from their living room. There’s no need to lose the opportunity cost of keeping a huge facility dark 5 months out of the year. Heck… just build it right where Aqueduct is…. all the infrastructure exists and they could build a city around it if they wanted.

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by JPinVA on Jun 22, 2011 6:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Mass transit by way of rail

I don’t see it happening in the short term. However, if a rail line was to be built to a new arena, err areener, the Hub, etc., I would expect Hofstra, Nassau Community College, Roosevelt Field and more tied in. They could have a light rail station just for arena events, similar to what Buffalo has for HSBC Arena on its Subway/light rail system.

by Dougtone on Jun 22, 2011 6:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

It is not happening, JP.

Let Us Go, Islanders! (Ever notice how strange that sounds without the contraction?)

by TheMetalChick on Jun 22, 2011 6:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

My worry

Is related — i.e. what kind of revenue levels can an areener owner/manager expect solely from a hockey team, concert-like events and parking. Running an arena is profitable, but a pro team really needs to do well to profit on that alone. At least, presumably, this lease and the current revised lease are serious upgrades to what the NYI has faced for most of the last 30 years.

If he gets LHP-lite by winning (yet again) RFPs, then maybe it works out. But I’m almost past the point of fretting about team revenues, since it’s an unpredictable leap of faith throughout most of the league.

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by Dominik on Jun 22, 2011 4:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

These revenue projections are, of course, a joke and complete fabrications of “consultant” hacks.

Bottom line: there is not sufficient business based on Long Island to support the sort of luxury box revenue that would make running just the team/arena profitable — not with LI’s neighbor to the west, anyway. So, empty seats and boxes until the team is good — just like now, except extra expense. Does anyone seriously think that the reason the NVMC is routinely more than half empty is because it’s not the nicest areener out there?

Sounds like a solid deal. Mission accomplished, heck of a job, etc.

by AP77 on Jun 22, 2011 5:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Don't forget the baseball arena

Some ideas:
A dome for summer concerts
If done right, Wang could effectively put retail inside the Coliseum itself. Like if there is 5 levels like MSG (since the area is zoned now for four story buildings).
That “drive in” idea.
A hall of fame or museum.
Sub-rinks for local play or public skates
Exhibitions-Think bringing in SEL, Finn, KHL teams
Don’t you think Bettman would like to have an ASG here as soon as it’s built to say “I told you so…small market teams can make it”. That might take care of a years worth of payments instantly.
Is NY still in the market to host a winter olympics?
A winter classic in the baseball stadium.

Man, I should go work for Wang…I’m chock full of half-assed good ideas.

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by Keith Quinn on Jun 22, 2011 8:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Of Hofstra, naming rights and conventions

Another idea may be to host some Hofstra basketball games at the new arena, especially if the Pride are playing a big name opponent. A number of colleges currently play their home basketball games off campus at the main arena in town. Seton Hall, Siena and sometimes UConn come to mind. With that in mind, there could also be some NCAA basketball or hockey tournaments hosted at the new arena.

Two things I haven’t really seen mentioned in a new Coliseum are the sale of naming rights for the new arena, along with a convention center. Unless there is something written into law requiring any successor to the Nassau Coliseum being named after veterans, I don’t see why Nassau County wouldn’t sell the naming rights to the arena and increase the income revenue stream.

Also, with the current Coliseum, there is that convention center in the basement that hosts trade shows and whatever else. I haven’t really seen that mentioned in plans, and I think the inclusion of a convention area would make the areener more financially viable.

by Dougtone on Jun 22, 2011 9:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

…the sale of naming rights for the new arena, along with a convention center. Unless there is something written into law requiring any successor to the Nassau Coliseum being named after veterans, I don’t see why Nassau County wouldn’t sell the naming rights to the arena and increase the income revenue stream.

I believe the county and the LH group already promised the vets that the place would continue to be the nassau veterans memorial coliseum. I dont see why there cant be a compromise, though- like the Wenner Veterans Memorial Coliseum or somehting like that? Especially when it will help the veterans who live here!

Let Us Go, Islanders! (Ever notice how strange that sounds without the contraction?)

by TheMetalChick on Jun 22, 2011 11:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

O/T

The Pride??? Ugh. I hate theme names. What the hell was wrong with Flying Dutchmen? And BTW, Hostra’s end zones used to look exactly like Visa cards.

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by mikb on Jun 24, 2011 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

How amazing would it be

If Hempstead politicians shot down LHP, a plan that could have gotten public support if it was voted on, to support a plan that would be shot down by the voters. Yay Political Representation!

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by Mark D on Jun 22, 2011 3:16 PM EDT reply actions  

This may already have been answered somewhere...

But I’m at work so forgive me. How does this deal compare to other leases/rentals/ownership situations? I feel part of what screwed the Isles the first time around was the fact that they had to work so damn hard to get a team on the Island that they sold their soul to the devil (Rangers?) by signing a lease that put that at a long-term disadvantage to other teams.

I’m not an economist or politician, but I’m thinking this all sounds pretty good. The only way this would sound awesome to me is to know that other teams are doing something similar financially. As we all know so well, we don’t have a good track record of “outside-the-box” schemes working out in our favor.

LETS GO GRABS!!!!

by Nyisles82 on Jun 22, 2011 3:34 PM EDT reply actions  

We didn't sell our soul.....

so much as the SMG contract was totally skewed in their favor making it impossible for any owner to approach profitability. Score one for the Pritzker family, with primary assist to Pothole Al (who likely wet his beak on that one). Same deal with Penguins, but Mario got the local courts to get out of the contract after declaring bankruptcy. Those contracts had virtually all of the concessions and parking rev$ going to SMG, who didn’t even keep the areener clean.

My guess is the current deal gets done in some form, and Belmont will get the casino.

by 4PeatSake on Jun 22, 2011 4:20 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

I put up a GIANT post over at the arena about this topic

If anyone takes a look at it and you notice I have something wrong or Im missing anything important, let me know.
We REALLY need to get people voting YES on August 1st.

link

Let Us Go, Islanders! (Ever notice how strange that sounds without the contraction?)

by TheMetalChick on Jun 24, 2011 2:12 AM EDT reply actions  

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