Bits: One More Year of Mustaches and Mohawks, Gillies Re-signed
by Keith Quinn on Jun 18, 2011 11:58 AM EDT
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PrintIf you've not been told your favorite hockey team is a disgrace to the NHL in the last 24 hours, then you probably aren't aware that the Isles have re-signed Trevor Gillies to a one year, two-way contract yesterday. [Fanshot discussion here] [Team release here]
The merits of the move will be debated back and forth depending on how much a fan buys into some of the unquantifiable "intangibles" a player brings to the game vs the detriment of their actual on ice play. But he is here, bringing fear, get used to it. Most expect that Gillies will spend a significant amount of time in the pressbox as a healthy scratch and the AHL as mentor/deterrent for some of the young group of talent assembled there.
My personal belief is this is a bone thrown to Gillies by ownership for embracing a difficult role and taking one on the chin for the organization last season. It hurts little, prevents nothing, and is the right thing to do (amidst criticism) for a guy who loves being here. Nice of the Isles not to buckle to pressure. If you listen closely, you can hear sobbing...
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Happy Fatha's Day (weekend) to all the fathas
Interesting that the Twitter Isles are asking about 3rd jersey designs. That can’t hurt.
Time to groom my stache…
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by TheMetalChick on Jun 18, 2011 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Just another reason for people to pick on us
Honestly, I would rather they resign Konopka. He has more useful functions and does not take as many unnecessary penalties. For me, this is just another reason for us to be chastised in the hockey media.
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Doesn't really matter
The Hockey media will chastise the Isles no matter what they do as long as the losing and the bottom of the league finishes continue. Once the consistent winning starts it will all go away.
There is no either/or with Gillies and Konopka.
They do not play the same position and their contract demands are completely different, Konopka would not be in discussions for a 2-way deal with any team. Two completely different situations.
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by TheMetalChick on Jun 18, 2011 4:20 PM EDT up reply actions
I meant if they had to keep an enforcer
I know they have different positions and that Gillies will spend most of his time in BP; but in my opinion I would want to resign Konopka while I would prefer that Gillies not not be resigned.
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Konopka is NOT an enforcer.
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by TheMetalChick on Jun 18, 2011 9:19 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I wouldnt say that
But Botta says that Konopka will not get signed…
Honestly, KO- whether you say it or not, he is not an enforcer.
As far as what Botta says, OK. Its no different than anyone else saying it unless he had sources, which he didnt.
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by TheMetalChick on Jun 19, 2011 9:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Konopka was an enforcer, IMHO...
I dont see how you can say he wasnt…
Numerous reasons
He is not a heavyweight and does not match up with enforcers, so he is not one himself.
He is not used in the enforcer role.
He fights- that does not make him an enforcer. They are not the same thing.
Its sort of like how every forward who shows some power is not called a “power forward”.
Dont believe me? Go on a site like HF or something like that where there are threads of people talking about enforcers. See what people say about Konopka there- what they will say is that he is NOT an enforcer- because he is not.
All enforcers are fighters but not all fighters are enforcers. Call Zenon a fighter.
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by TheMetalChick on Jun 19, 2011 11:08 PM EDT up reply actions
I dont care what people say on HF
Konopka would constantly step up when someone tried to hurt one of his teammates. Thats an enforcer in my book. We can agree to disagree here.
I did not say they were any kind of authority.
Go check a different site where people talk about this, I do not care which one you check- there are many to choose from.
Or, dont believe me and you can keep acting as if they mean the same thing. No skin off my butt either way, just be prepared to be corrected byt people in general- not only me- whenever you continue to make the same mistake and call a guy like Konopka an “enforcer”.
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by TheMetalChick on Jun 20, 2011 11:03 AM EDT up reply actions
My opinion
Is that he is used in an enforcer role, but isn’t good at it because his fighting is pretty awful. He doesn’t win too many, and therefore, people aren’t scared of him and stay honest.
How many times have we seen him try to gain retribution this year and end up watching a 2 minute Greco Roman wrestling match? Konopka is more Haley/Martin than Gillies…and I personally think Martin and Haley would beat the crap out of Konopka. As far as fighting talent goes, I see him as 4th right now with the possibility of slipping to 5th depending on how Hamonic develops.
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by Keith Quinn on Jun 20, 2011 11:22 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Agreed
Half of “enforcing” is just showing up when the need arises, in my book. Enforcing that people can’t go crazy on your teammates without having to answer to it.
Gillies has a limited number of willing counterparts, and a limited number of uses actually being out on the ice. Konopka serves a few more actual hockey roles, has limitless willing counterparts (because he doesn’t fight well), so scratches the enforcer itch. Though his timing is curious at best.
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in other words you cant say he doesn't fill that role
even if its not his only role…I wish my opinions were right but they are just mine….
MC, you think YOUR opinion is right but it is just YOUR opinion
Its of my opinion that he is an enforcer and you’re the only person whos ever argues with me that he isnt.
Which is why I advised you to go mention this somewhere where you will get MANY opinions on this.
But you dont want to do that, right?
Go to a large high-volume hockey site and ask whether Konopka is an enforcer, see what you are told.
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by TheMetalChick on Jun 20, 2011 4:11 PM EDT up reply actions
I didnt say he wasnt a fighter.
I didnt say he doesnt fight. :)
If people called him a fighter instead of calling him an enforcer, I would be fine with that.
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by TheMetalChick on Jun 19, 2011 9:45 PM EDT up reply actions
If an opposing players took liberties against his teammates he would stand up.
He is a fighter as well.
*shrug"
If you use the term enforcer to refer to a guy who is a fighter, you will be corrected. I cant make you stop doing it, but trust me it will continue to happen. I encourage you to do what I said above, look for places where enforcers are specifically discussed and either look for someone mentioning Konopka or mention him yourself… you will be told what I already told you here.
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by TheMetalChick on Jun 19, 2011 11:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Curious
How are you defining enforcer? I’d say he generally fits that bill pretty well the way he defends his teammates.
Sorry
missed it above. Not sure I’d agree with you there, that he’s not one largely because of the size factor or because he doesn’t fight other enforcers (which wouldn’t really be a part of their role).
He did go after guys that tried to hurt our players, and to me that’s the primary criteria. Now you could possibly argue that he’s not a particularly effective enforcer since I’m not sure how much he deterred players from running our guys, but he certainly tried to fill that role.
You guys will believe what you want
And when you call Konopka an enforcer elsewhere, you will be consistently corrected.
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by TheMetalChick on Jun 20, 2011 11:04 AM EDT up reply actions
Well
you should go ahead and correct the Islanders as well then.
And maybe edit Wikipedia too, because he fits the bill there as well.
As I said, and Keith reiterated, you could argue he’s a bad one, but he fits the bill.
by afrosupreme on Jun 20, 2011 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions
Again, believe whatever you want. If you want to think Konopka is an enforcer, go right ahead.
It is the equivalent of calling Okposo a power forward. Is he one? No… but he is called that anyway. Could he be one? Yeah- but he isnt.
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by TheMetalChick on Jun 20, 2011 12:13 PM EDT up reply actions
enforcer
AKA, someone who offers little or nothing besides his ability to punch things, OR whose primary function on the rink is said punching of things.
Tony Twist was an enforcer, Type One. Bob Probert or Tiger Williams were enforcers, Type Two.
Konopka, IMHO, fits neither bill – he offers his faceoff skill, and is around primary for that function. Even if he drops the gloves a lot, he’s not there in order to do this.
We may be in the box, but you get the penalty.
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by mikb on Jun 20, 2011 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
It is a RARE player who is primarily an enforcer yet brings anything else truly description-worthy to the table. Actually, the best example of an enforcer who was primarily an enforcer but went significantly beyond that role is Chris Simon- and look at how Islanders country turned on him just because he was treatecd LIKE an enforcer disciplinary-wise instead of the way a player like Chris Pronger is treated. :(
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by TheMetalChick on Jun 20, 2011 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions
What you are describing
is a goon. A goon brings little to nothing else to the table. An enforcer is any player who provides vigilante justice.
by afrosupreme on Jun 20, 2011 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
So
Clark Gillies wasn’t an enforcer? Because punching things wasn’t his primary role, but I can’t imagine having a better enforcer than a guy who could break someone’s jaw with a punch.
no, he wasn't
Clark Gillies was a power forward. Saying he was an enforcer just because he smushed poor Ed Hospodar’s head is like calling Kenny Morrow a two-way defenseman because he scored that big OT goal against the Rangers in ‘84. Well, Jethro never tallied 100 PIM in any season of his career, and Morrow never reached 20 points in a single year. It wasn’t their job to do that sort of thing.
If you want to distinguish between goons and enforcers based on my Type One and Type Two, I can go along with it. But just having the ability to slug it out, to me, doesn’t automatically make a guy an enforcer. Besides, it’s doubtful that Konopka has that ability – he’s willing enough, but has less success than you’d like.
We may be in the box, but you get the penalty.
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by mikb on Jun 20, 2011 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I agree
Konopka is a bad enforcer. No question about that, but he plays the role.
My criteria is that a player defends his teammates and his presence potentially people from taking liberties. I think Gillies was exceptional at that, despite not necessarily fighting a lot.
Konopka is not good at it, but tries to make up for quality with quantity.
But I don’t think the rest of their game matters at all. To me that is how you define a goon, not an enforcer.
cool, I see your point
We may be in the box, but you get the penalty.
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I'm sort of an older Isles fan myself!
Opponents were always more likely to fall afoul of Gord Lane, Gary Howatt, or Duane Sutter. Gillies could handle himself, for sure, but he was much more valuable as a goal scorer.
Brent Sutter was similar, actually. His first couple of years he really racked up the minutes; then his game grew and his role changed, and he was expected to use his hands to score goals, not break faces.
What might be happening here is the image of Gillies when he first broke into the league – he was tested more often, until people realized that it was really Not a Good Idea. Then, in 1980, they had the two all-out wars against Boston and Philadelphia in the playoffs… but it’s not accurate to say “Gillies was the enforcer” based on that because everybody was brawling in those series, even relatively solid citizens like Dave Langevin, Bob Nystrom, and Bob Lorimer.
We may be in the box, but you get the penalty.
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by mikb on Jun 21, 2011 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
KO is working on becoming a power forward
so to say is not isnt entirely accurate either, IMHO
So is Nino a 20G scorer because he is working on being one?
Sorry but you shouldnt be called something unless you ARE that thing. You dont call a freshman in college “Dr” just because they are pre-med.
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by TheMetalChick on Jun 20, 2011 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions
sad mikb is sad
I was going to run business cards saying “Emperor of All the Hockeys”. I’m working on it as fast as I can!
We may be in the box, but you get the penalty.
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by mikb on Jun 20, 2011 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I think he is one that didn't reach his potential yet.
DP is an NHL goalie but he isn’t a good one anymore so does that mean hes not a goalie??
Must be nice to know it all.
KO, the way you are talking to me
You are the one who knows it all here… you resent the fact that others do not agree with your ideas. Id say Im sorry that others do not think the way you do on this one, but I just do not understand why it is such a problem in your opinion. Once again, call them both whatever you want… but when you do so among large numbers of hockey fans who are not your friends, be prepared for them to correct you a lot more harshly than I did.
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by TheMetalChick on Jun 20, 2011 10:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Interesting
Sounds like the Isles are willing to have CDH start the season in BP. One Jurcina injury away
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Good to have Gillies back.
Having Gillies as a possibility to make the roster on any given night should prove to keep other teams more on their toes about how they should act during games. But this has ben said a million times. I don’t really want to disrespect the memory or legacy of deceased NHLr’s, and with all respect to Derek Boogaard and his memory. I want to point out that Gillies doubled his goal out put from the past FIVE seasons in his 39 games or about 90 minutes of ice time this year. This post is about Gillies so please understand that I only use Boogaard because of who he was with last year, and it has relevance. Gillies had been signed with three other clubs previously, the FIRST being the rags. So I am very happy that we have put support into a guy who has been vilified for sticking up for his team only, IMO, because he let loose against the almighty Pens. Really looking at what he did this season, it is sad that he has become the poster boy for all of the evil shit that happened this season. It was just easier to hang this on Bettmans “irrelevant” team, than say Sidney “JC” Crosby’s Penguins team and Matt Cooke. It would not look good to the masses if they new how dirty the Pens were given there association to Crosby. Enough. Welcome back Trevor!!!
Also great to see how eager deHaan, Ness and Donovan are to step up, really nice to hear.
by St. Dick on Jun 18, 2011 2:59 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Gillies is great!
For all the crap that Gillies took, really for 1 questionable incident against the Pens and one very bogus call against the Wild followed by a very un-fair suspension he is nowhere near as dirty as Matt Cooke. Gillies lost 19 games for his two incidents, how many did Cooke lose for the Tyutin\Rangers incident? Not quite as many. Now what does that say? Cooke FOR YEARS has been playing dirty and blatantly and successfully injuring opponents and cumulitively has received only a slap on the wrist. Gillies got the book thrown at him for what amounts to much, much less. I’m glad he’s back and I hope he doubles his goal output again!
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by Metalstar on Jun 18, 2011 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Fear
A good way to get someone to leave you alone is to make them think you’re crazy. Choices A, B, C, and D are obviously some of what Gillies brings, but, as the KQ says, it’s the fear factor that I’m hoping will keep other teams’ jerks in check.
That actually describes my brother's approach to driving
“Drive erratically, and others will think you’re crazy and avoid you.”
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Nice to see the Isles show some loyalty
Good for moral, fair to Gillies, who lost significant pay last year for dutifully performing his expected job criteria. His presence gives our young guys some backbone , so they don’t get Sedined around. As Boston’s victory over Vancouver showed, skilled players can be intimidated to the point of being ineffective. We are a better team with him on the roster.
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by since70too on Jun 18, 2011 4:07 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
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"We can't get pushed around," Haley said. "What commentators say about us, that's their job. My job is to try and limit as many people who want to take liberties with our guys as possible."
by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Jun 18, 2011 4:37 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Cosell... my bad.
"We can't get pushed around," Haley said. "What commentators say about us, that's their job. My job is to try and limit as many people who want to take liberties with our guys as possible."
by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Jun 18, 2011 4:37 PM EDT reply actions
I wish Gillies had at least a little more...
game, but his presence is still necessary for this team. A guy who fights and wins is more valuable than a guy who fights can only draw. They damn well better get a guy in here to win some faceoffs though.
And I definitely want to se Haley back.
I like having that Trevor Gillies Card ... but
… I’d like to see him get some more work infront of the net … not just as an up and down policeman … in reality he’s there to serve as a deterant to those who my toss some abuse as our young guns … but he only plays a handful of minutes a game … he’s not much of a threat to put points up on the board or keep the wolves at bay. He’s kinda the equivelent to closing the barn door after the horse got out.
I’d like to know the Isles’ record with Gillies in the line up vs. their record without him in the lineup.
As some Islander bashing host on XM’s Home Ice from some hotel in Montreal put it this afternoon in a sarcastic tone … “Now there’s a signing by the Islanders that will have the other NHL teams shaking in their skates … a player who gets more PIM a season than ice time” … and then followed that up with … " What’s the over under on how many games he gets suspended this season?" … and his guest from THN replied … " At what point in the season will he be suspended for the rest of the season?"
They also mentioned how Brendan Shannahan is not fond of goon hockey … He played tough hard nosed hockey, but also brought talent to the table … and that Brendan being a former Ranger probably already has an anti-Islander bias … and they both laughed … and said … like Campbell didn’t?" … It went on and on to suggest that Brendan will be fair, but he’s a players player and was never a fan of ECHL talent on NHL ice taking a more talented player’s job just because he can fight.
Oh well … before training camp the bulls eye is already on Gillies … that’s why I selected that in the poll. All that being said … I really like Gillies … I just hope he can get up to the Chris Nilan level … doubtful though … very doubtful… and least not the mid 80s Nilan.
by 19 Isle in NJ 22 on Jun 18, 2011 8:20 PM EDT reply actions
Those guys are morons...
If they even bothered to check…Gillies played 2s of this past season before he got suspended. He’s a good guy and won’t do anything outlandish unless the situation really calls for it, like the Pens game where the whole team made a statement or after that terrible hit on DiBo went totally uncalled\noticed by the people being paid to notice such things.
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by Metalstar on Jun 18, 2011 11:07 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Depends how you define outlandish.
I consider taking stupid penalties at a very high rate outlandish, and he does that.
Nilan is the classic ...
example of the guy you can’t stand until he’s on your team. I always wanted him here, and was PO’ed when the vermine Rangers got him. I don’t see the Tevor Gillies comparison at all though. Gillies really is one-dimensional, important as that one dimension is to this team right now. If he scores, it’s pretty much an accident. Nilan had way more skills and really knew how to use his whole arsenal. I can actually see Michael Haley being in the Nilan mold. I like everything about him. I had expected Aron Asham to stick in that same role here. Asham is an enigma to me. I’m surprised he’s moved around so much, but I think Haley is comparable in terms of his overall game, but quicker.
My dropping Nilan as an example was ...
… to demonstrate the difference between a pure goon, and a guy who can play and goon it up when necessary. If Gillies can work really hard at shooting and operating in traffic … he can be a real pain in the ass infront of the net. A Nilanesque player is a pipe dream. Every team in the league would love that.
Nilan made lots of room for himself and his teammates … he had great hands infront of the net. He wasn’t going to use his wheels to blow the doors off the defense … but he had all the fundamentals down so that he could more than hold his own. He wasn’t the same with the Rags as he was with the Habs … so that took the sting out of the Rangers having him.
I’m reaching deep into my memory bank here … but I don’t think Nilan had the wheels that Haley has. I also don’t think that Haley has that heavy weight stature that Nilan had. Two different kinds of pests.
by 19 Isle in NJ 22 on Jun 19, 2011 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't even like the word ...
goon. I prefer ‘enforcer’ for the role Gillies fills. I have a hard time seeing him actually shoot the puck into the goal, but I agree he can at least be a threat by planting himself in front and maybe netting an odd rebound or deflection. I also agree that Nilan wasn’t the same player after the Rangers got him. He wasn’t that old, but like a ton of other guys, he changed when he got to MSG. He was a scary guy with Montreal though, literally. Guys were afraid of him, they thought he was nuts. He was crazy like a fox. And a good player for a while.
Waste of a roster spot.
We sign him, and in Newsday there is talk of not re-signing KONOPKA?
Is it that Gillies sells more tee-shirts?
What a joke.
Useless. I’m sorry, I love my Islanders but this guy deserves NOTHING from the organization.
by Sal Interlandi on Jun 18, 2011 11:46 PM EDT reply actions
I'm drunk so I'll make it short
Deserves nothing from the organization is like saying (Look I’m drunk and I know what I am about to say might be offensive to some people and I may be completely stretching what I am trying to get at(although it makes perfect sense to me and hopefully some of you freaks) Patton wasn’t important important. The dude kicked ass, didnt give a “whos your daddy” , knew what was the right thing to do and did it, was a complete motivator and generally kicked ass just by being awake. I’ll sign him any day.
We need Konopka too.
I am pointing this out again
Konopka and Gillies have NOTHING TO DO WITH EACHOTHER.
They do not play the same posiiton (Winger v center)
They do not sign the same kinds of deals (2-way v. one way)
They are not of the same weight class.
They do not have the same responsibilities/roiles on the ice.
WTF do these two men have to do with each other besides both being Islanders?
And why do people keep insisting on acting like it was one or the other as if they are interchangable players????
If anybody is taking Konopkas spot on this team it 100% is NOT Gillies- it is gonna be guys like Haley or Cizikas.
So if anyone is THAT mad about Konopka, you rightfully should bitch about the two of them.
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by TheMetalChick on Jun 19, 2011 12:20 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Botta says Haley will get resigned and Konopka will not
I love all 3 of these guys. Hopefully Konopka comes back
I hope Konopka is replaced by someone from outside
God love him, but they need a more accomplished player in that role.
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I know
But I just do not see the Isladners going external for a 4th liner.
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by TheMetalChick on Jun 20, 2011 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm drunk so I'll make it short
Deserves nothing from the organization is like saying (Look I’m drunk and I know what I am about to say might be offensive to some people and I may be completely stretching what I am trying to get at(although it makes perfect sense to me and hopefully some of you freaks) Patton wasn’t important important. The dude kicked ass, didnt give a “whos your daddy” , knew what was the right thing to do and did it, was a complete motivator and generally kicked ass just by being awake. Gillies has the same attitude. I’ll sign him any day.
We need Konopka too.
Thank God you entered that take twice.
"We can't get pushed around," Haley said. "What commentators say about us, that's their job. My job is to try and limit as many people who want to take liberties with our guys as possible."
by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Jun 19, 2011 9:34 AM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Double vision.
He did say he was drunk.
We may be in the box, but you get the penalty.
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Love it
The only rule about posting drunk here is to preface it with “I’m drunk, so…” As long as you do that, we can all understand the context better.
That doesn’t mean the other standards go out the window (content will still get deleted if it breaks obvious golden rules), but it does give us context for ramblings.
I confess to composing front-page posts drunk before. Always makes for a scary feeling when I wake up. (“Uh oh, wonder what I wrote?”)
Lighthouse Hockey: A flute with no holes is not a flute. A Dane with no holes is Frans Nielsen.
he looks to forgot he even made that post. :o)
"We can't get pushed around," Haley said. "What commentators say about us, that's their job. My job is to try and limit as many people who want to take liberties with our guys as possible."
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May 24, 1980: Tonelli to Nystrom. At long last, the steady build of the New York Islanders from expansion doormat to surprise semifinalist to annual contender reaches the promised land: Buoyed by a late season trade for Butch Goring that gave the team the depth up the middle GM Bill Torrey had been seeking, the Islanders knock off the Philadelphia Flyers in six games.
The victory justified the faith in coach Al Arbour who guided them from their second season to their first Stanley Cup seven seasons later. The Islanders would not be the first expansion team to win the Stanley Cup, but they would be the only one capable of a dynasty.
1980-81
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May 21, 1981: This time it was much easier. After falling to "only" 91 points in the 1979-80 season, the Islanders returned to their division title tradition, piling up 110 points -- a whole 13 points over second-place Philadelphia.
Between the quarterfinals (where they beat the upstart Oilers in six games) and the finals, the Islanders reeled off eight consecutive wins -- with a four-game sweep of archrival Rangers in between. As they defeated the Minnesota North Stars in five games for their second Cup, their goal difference in the final was a combined +10.
1981-82
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May 16, 1982: Another year, another landslide title. The Islanders won the Patrick Division by a whopping 26 points over the second-place Rangers, and were seven points clear of their nearest competition for the President's Trophy, the still-not-quite-ripe Edmonton Oilers.
A first-round scare against the Pittsburgh Penguins turned in the Isles' favor thanks to John Tonelli's heroics, and a true dynasty was on its way: Past the Rangers in six games, then an eight-game sweep of the Quebec Nordiques and Vancouver Canucks to run away with the Stanley Cup.
1982-83
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May 17, 1983: Not so fast, whipper-snappers. The Edmonton Oilers' steadily rising challenge for league supremacy took them all the way to the finals for the first time, where the New York Islanders summarily dispatched them in a four-game sweep. For the Islanders, the Dynasty was secured. For the Oilers, it was a powerful lesson in where talent ends and the demands of playoff hockey begin.
Four years, four Cups, 16 consecutive playoff series wins (a record that would grow to 19 until the rematch with the Oilers the following year). Mike Bossy scored 60 goals yet again, and Wayne Gretzky became acquainted with Billy Smith's crease.
