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Islanders Grades: The Finn Named Jesse Joensuu

As we push closer toward the NHL's offseason, one man who will need a new contract to remain an Islander is Jesse Joensuu, who -- at least a couple of seasons ago -- was frank about his three-year entry level contract being the window on whether or not he'll make it in North America.

After another up-and-down year on the Bridgeport shuttle -- though one that saw another career high in NHL goals and games -- one might conclude the Joensuu experiment will not bear further fruit.

One counterargument is Joensuu has never been a big scorer, so you're not developing a sniping power forward but rather a big body who can bang a little and give you some offensive punch from the bottom six. On a smallish team his size could yet prove an asset. Another argument, which David Hanssen made here in January, is that the Finn Named Jesse is only 23. At a similar age Frans Nielsen was nowhere near what he is now. At that age Tomas Holmstrom was just a rookie shuttling between Detroit and Adirondack and managing just 11 goals over 104 NHL games in his first two seasons.

Joensuu is neither a future Nielsen nor a future Holmstrom, but as David wrote back in January: "At 23, Jesse Joensuu is not yet what he will develop into." The question: Is what he will develop into something you want to keep?

Star-divide

For me it's simple: If Joensuu will accept another two-way contract to continue his development in these shores, I'd qualify him in a heartbeat. He's not the problem at AHL Bridgeport, and each year he's gotten better and earned more NHL appearances. If organizational depth keeps him from ever becoming an NHL regular, that's a credit to the Islanders. But just because he didn't attain full-time NHL duty by the end of his first contract doesn't mean he can't help the Sound Tigers and, possibly, help the Isles too.

 

Contract Status

Joensuu is a restricted free agent, coming off a $635,000 salary at the NHL level ($62,500 at the AHL level). With bonuses the cap hit on was ELC was $850,000 but that doesn't really factor in here. A simple qualifying offer of a 10% raise retains his rights.

Contract info from CapGeek

 

Joensuu Stats and Linemates


2010-11 GP G A P +/- PIM PPG TOI TOIpp Hits SOG PCT
NHL NYI - Jesse Joensuu 42 6 3 9 -6 33 0 11:26 0:07 59 41 14.6
AHL BPT - Jesse Joensuu 35 8 16 24 -3 31 0 n/a n/a n/a 77 10.4

20.01% EV 12 BAILEY,JOSH - 57 COMEAU,BLAKE - 58 JOENSUU,JESSE
15.8% EV 58 JOENSUU,JESSE - 28 KONOPKA,ZENON - 17 MARTIN,MATT
12% EV 40 GRABNER,MICHAEL - 58 JOENSUU,JESSE - 51 NIELSEN,FRANS
5.48% EV 57 COMEAU,BLAKE - 58 JOENSUU,JESSE - 17 MARTIN,MATT
4.44% EV 57 COMEAU,BLAKE - 58 JOENSUU,JESSE - 44 SCHREMP,ROB
3.35% EV 58 JOENSUU,JESSE - 26 MOULSON,MATT - 91 TAVARES,JOHN
3.26% EV 12 BAILEY,JOSH - 40 GRABNER,MICHAEL - 58 JOENSUU,JESSE

Linemate figures from DobberHockey

At the NHL level Joensuu got zero powerplay time to speak of, saw a ton of different linemates that varied from the fourth-line role with limited abilities in Zenon Konopka and Matt Martin and the more offensive role with Josh Bailey and Blake Comeau. He even saw a stretch with Frans Nielsen and Michael Grabner before Kyle Okposo returned to form FnGO.

Truthfully, given his limited minutes and age that level of production doesn't bother me. If ELC's were four years instead of three then I'd be expecting another step forward for JJ this year and then let the chips fall where they may. But his RFA status and the pressure from new prospects makes the question a little different.

 

Metrics

Joensuu's microstats at Behind the Net don't tell you a whole lot more than what you'd suspect, given his role on that checking line and appearances on with a still evolving Nielsen-Grabner combo and the up-and-down Bailey-Comeau combo.

His Corsi Rel ranks well above the former pairs and below the other two pairs. In terms of the beginning of his shifts, he was placed in fewer offensive situations than everyone except for centers Konopka, Bailey and Nielsen.

So again: His speed limits him, his size and nose around the net helps him, and whether he sticks around is a matter of 1) whether he still wants to pursue a career in North America and 2) whether the Islanders want to leave room for him to continue his development within their depth chart.

To me he's like that guest at your party late in the evening, when another wave of guests might come along. You're happy if he sticks around in the hope that more people show up, but you understand if he's ready to call it a night.

 

The Poem/Lyric

Well, my daddy left home when I was four,
and he didn't leave much when he shut the door,
'cept this stick and puck and a hound we called Anssi.
Now I don't blame him cause he run and hid,
but the oddest thing that he ever did
was before he left he went and named me Jesse.

Well, he must have loved ol' Bo and Luke,
and the uncle of the Hazzard County Dukes,
so give his boy a name that wasn't too trendy.
But it's kind of odd now you must confess
with friends named Teemu and Johannes
to go through life as a Finn who they call Jesse.

Well, I grew up quick and I grew up mean
my body got big and my skills got keen
roamed from Pori to Helsinki to play my game.
I made me a vow to the Ukko and the stars,
I'd search the fjords and bars and cars
to find the man that gave me this Southern name.

Well it was Tammerfors in mid July
and I had just hit town and my throat was dry.
I'd thought i'd stop and have myself a Karhu.
At an old pub in a street of melting sludge
at a table eating Finnish fudge
sat this hockey fan, they called The Big Joensuu.

Well, I knew that Piru was my own sweet dad
from a worn-out picture that my mother had
and I knew his tattoo rep'd the Blues of Espoo
He was big and bent and a bit irate
So I grabbed his collar and said: "I'm 58!
for the New York Islanders, Jesse Joensuu!

So Live is Life!" Yeah, that's what I told him.

 

The Grade

Do discuss what you'd do with Joensuu and if you think he should or will stay.

But players like him or where I find the grading "based on preseason expectations" prompt fun. Think back to what you saw for him before this season began: Did you think he'd get 42 games? Did you think if he got 42 games (and a mixed role) that he'd do more or less with them? Then vote and sing.

Poll
Based on your preseason expectations, how do you grade Jesse Joensuu's 2010-11?
10 - A veritable man in black
2 votes
9
0 votes
8 - Like a ring of fire
4 votes
7
10 votes
6 - Walk the line +
64 votes
5 - Walk the line -
92 votes
4
31 votes
3 - Folsom prison blues
20 votes
2
3 votes
1 - I hung my head
4 votes

230 votes | Poll has closed

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Hear, hear

Another amazing instance of Dominik going above and beyond…

by Paumanok on Jun 11, 2011 7:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

Thanks ;)

The beauty of Internet democracy…whatever your reason for your vote, nobody gets hurt.

I was working on a few more verses but my brain intervened: “Seriously, you have to stop now.”

Lighthouse Hockey: A flute with no holes is not a flute. A doughnut with no hole is Frans Nielsen.

by Dominik on Jun 11, 2011 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

bravissimo, Dom

I think about it, more and more
Every time I shoot an’ every time I score
And I have have a son, I’ll name him…
Frans, or Grabs! Anything but Jesse!

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by mikb on Jun 11, 2011 10:53 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

3

I had moderate hopes for JJ but in all the games that I saw him play he just didn’t do a whole lot to raise my eyebrows or make me pay attention to him. If he’d agree to a 2-way contract I guess he might be worth keeping around just to see how he matures but honestly I would rather the Isles re-sign Konopka, Haley, and Gillies before JJ.

The New York Islanders....they make opposing goalies look gooooood.

by Metalstar on Jun 10, 2011 6:25 PM EDT reply actions  

Not knowing the options.

I gave Jesse a 5-. He did what could be expected of a 23 y/o with limited opportunity. I guess you could say, if he plays 82 games on the 3 or 4th line he could produce 10-15 goals. That wouldn’t be that bad.

Since I don’t know the CBA and what the Islanders and Jounsuu’s options are I’m not sure what will happen. I’d like to see him re-signed to a one year- two way contract. This would give Bridgeport some help and the Islanders some depth.
But would he accept this? I guess first it would matter what he wants to do. Does he want to go back to Europe to play more like Figren did? If he does, after that year, do the Islanders lose their rights to him? and then after the year is he a UFA?
Would he accept a one year Qualifying offer? I don’t think a one way deal would work, unless the Isles decide not to resign Haley or bye out Hunter. I don’t see that happening.

So I guess if he doesn’t accept a one year; two way contract, we could have seen the last of Jesse and before we want to.

by John from ATL on Jun 10, 2011 6:38 PM EDT reply actions  

3

I expected quite a bit more after his last few games of ‘09-’10. I would keep him over Gillies. Definitely not over Martin, though. At worst he’s a good player to have in BPT with other young prospects, right? If Isles think they have 4 or 5 better call-ups at forward, maybe let him go, but I don’t think that’s the case.

by North Dakota Red Eagle on Jun 10, 2011 6:44 PM EDT reply actions  

4 with hope

I agree with Dom on the two way contract (wait, he is subject to waivers anyway right?) and I would like to see him earn the playing time.

The signs of hope are
1) I remember seriously hoping for the Isles to leave FN/MG/JJ together when KO came back from injury…they were looking that good…anyone else remember that? They didnt look FnGo good, but pretty good.
2) The Doug Weight factor. Weight was JJs idol growing up. There was a noticable uptick in his performance once DW was behind the bench. It could be a boost next season when DW is a more permanent fixture back there.

Or maybe he’s Nokelainen 2.0 but if he’ll accept terms, you keep him and he doesn’t hurt anything in BPT and he keeps some other guys honest who may be underperforming.

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by Keith Quinn on Jun 10, 2011 7:04 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

I like the dude

Been following him fir a while but I think he just needs time.

by Torch7 on Jun 10, 2011 7:17 PM EDT via mobile reply actions   1 recs

JJ

No Kid Dynamite
More Baby Huey

by TheMagus on Jun 10, 2011 8:23 PM EDT reply actions  

Top Heavy

JJ was hot and cold during the season. The biggest I have with him is his skating. He is constantly off balance, is easy to knock of his feet and seems to be spend as much time on his butt then on his skates. He also has to do a better job of shooting and hitting the net.

I agree he is useful for depth purposes since he is big. But he is still Baby Huey out there.

by TheMagus on Jun 10, 2011 10:08 PM EDT reply actions  

6

Just enough of a tease to bring him back next year

"I bet Calgary wishes they had a backup goalie as their GM" - Pauly C
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by Mark D on Jun 10, 2011 10:35 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

Love his size.........

But doesn’t do enough with it….. 5……As many of you won’t agree with me, this is what happens when you draft too many projects. I know at the time the cupboard was bare… But I feel JJ has been passed in the system by other projects drafted in later years that have developed quicker. However,as he is still only 23, I would give him a 2yr- 2 way and hope he agrees. I would rather have him on the 4th line than Gillies, who is expendable with Martin and Haley, (but JJ is behind those 2 as well, IMH and worthless O). Otherwise, as has happened in the past, I can see him going back to Finland.

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by FireGarthSnow on Jun 10, 2011 10:43 PM EDT reply actions  

If he comes back next year....

Is there room for him anywhere? I’d like to see him traded on draft day to trade up somewhere. I just think that even if he develops into something he’s too far down the depth chart. (What a nice luxury to have.)

by martylnd on Jun 10, 2011 10:52 PM EDT reply actions  

The RW is deep

He’s not going to replace PAP on the 1st line or KO on the FnGO line, but I think a lot of his best flashes were when working with Bailey, especially since he went for the net.

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by Mark D on Jun 11, 2011 1:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

4

Meh.

He’s a big guy, could be dangerous, but he seems to lack that fire.

by Les Beaver on Jun 10, 2011 11:05 PM EDT reply actions  

6

Given his linemates most of the time, I’m surprised he was only minus-6. He’s pretty inconsistent, though. For half his games, it would be fair to say that i don’t remember noticing him. But i guess that means he also wasn’t killing us either.

Only half a year 'til Opening Night! ... *Sigh!*

by ICanSeeForIslesAndIsles on Jun 10, 2011 11:24 PM EDT reply actions  

4/3. It's hard to consider him a prospect still, but I'll give him 1 more year in bridgeport.

He keeps ever so slightly getting better every year, but not enough. He looked “good” but not great at times during the season, and at times he looked like a slow player with little hockey sense. He’s gonna be 24 next season, it’s do or die for him. I know David is still high on him, but how much time do we give him? Judging by his BP numbers and related +//-, he barely matures a little more each year. If he continued this trend, we could maybe hope for a a dependable bottom 6er in 2-3yrs. But those guys are a dime a dozen.

by OzzyFan on Jun 10, 2011 11:41 PM EDT reply actions  

Guys like this need time

Lots of time… Bertuzzi kind of time.
We can give him that time- but if we dont, another team will.
I think he is worth keeping around a bit longer.

Let Us Go, Islanders! (Ever notice how strange that sounds without the contraction?)

by TheMetalChick on Jun 11, 2011 12:44 AM EDT reply actions  

Bertuzzi didn't need time

He needed out from Milbury’s doghouse. I think immediately after being traded he was nearly a point per game player to finish the season with Vancouver.

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by Mark D on Jun 11, 2011 1:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

Little longer than that

He didn’t score 25 until two years later in 99 and didn’t hit ppg until 01. But I don’t doubt getting away from Milbury helped.

by afrosupreme on Jun 11, 2011 7:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

exactly, afro.

It took time- it only seemed instant (and magnified) to Isles fans because the Isles had their worst couple of years besides their first season at the exact same time he was finally doing great.

Let Us Go, Islanders! (Ever notice how strange that sounds without the contraction?)

by TheMetalChick on Jun 11, 2011 9:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

Sorry, should have been clearer

in 52 games with the Isles he had 18 points, after being traded he had 15 points in 22 games during the year he was traded.

"I bet Calgary wishes they had a backup goalie as their GM" - Pauly C
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by Mark D on Jun 11, 2011 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

What's funny

is I remember that while I didn’t particularly like that trade, I wasn’t all that upset about Bertuzzi moving on at the time. He was one of those guys who seemed to be confused a lot and float through games, just showing flashes of what he was capable of. I was definitely not happy to see McCabe go (especially for Linden), But Bertuzzi was kind of a whatever.

I think that whole experience is probably why I’m so gun shy about them cutting bait with guys like Bailey, because the critiques are pretty similar in a lot of ways.

by afrosupreme on Jun 11, 2011 5:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

agree

My thoughts on Bertuzzi being traded was at least that Soap Opera was over. I was so sick and tired of Milbury bitching about him in the press.

"I bet Calgary wishes they had a backup goalie as their GM" - Pauly C
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by Mark D on Jun 11, 2011 8:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Me too

I didn’t like the deal — felt like we’d just footed the bill for all of Bertuzzi’s growing pains and general “but I don’t want to talk to Clark Gillies because I’m not Clark Gillies and I said I wanted chocolate not vanilla” whineyness only to let someone reap the benefits. But man part of me was relieved the drama was over.

Lighthouse Hockey: A flute with no holes is not a flute. A doughnut with no hole is Frans Nielsen.

by Dominik on Jun 12, 2011 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

Trade Package

Throw in a couple more of our mediocre players a pik and get a big D.

by altosax on Jun 11, 2011 10:23 AM EDT reply actions  

as a rule, if the players are that mediocre they will not get you anything special.

Let Us Go, Islanders! (Ever notice how strange that sounds without the contraction?)

by TheMetalChick on Jun 11, 2011 10:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

exactly

and thats our problem

by altosax on Jun 11, 2011 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

lmao

"Seriously that's the last time you guys f#@%ing won?" -RSH (about beating the Penguins in '93)

by Bryan2112 on Jun 14, 2011 7:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

I feel somewhat similar as I did with Bergenheim

When Bergenheim was let go, I thought he had the tools to be a good player (strength, speed, enough skill), but he just seemed unable to put it together. I know Jesse is a lot slower, but he seems to be at a similar point as the man who led the postseason in goals (through two rounds?) was a couple seasons ago. He has enough tools to be a good player. He just hasn’t put it all together yet. If there is a chance at a two-way deal, I’d like to see that, but, as with Bergenheim, if he leaves it’s not going to bother me much.

by North Dakota Red Eagle on Jun 11, 2011 11:43 PM EDT reply actions  

Agreed

I was thinking the same thing. Bergenheim’s departure was a little more…I don’t know if “alarming” is the word…to me because of his skating and talent level. But with the behind the scenes drama I always knew it was a possibility. JJ is less risk and less reward, but I still feel he could help Bridgeport (and maybe more) if both sides stick with it.

It’s a different story when you’re playing so far away from home, but if I were counseling someone like JJ I’d say, “Look at the locker room around you. Your NHL fate is not determined at 23-24.”

Lighthouse Hockey: A flute with no holes is not a flute. A doughnut with no hole is Frans Nielsen.

by Dominik on Jun 12, 2011 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thinking outside the box....

How about trying to convert JJ to a defenseman ? He has the size and skaking ability to be a puck moving d man with a good shot. It has been done before, and recently Dustin Byfuglien comes to mind…..

by GoIsles61 on Jun 12, 2011 3:21 PM EDT reply actions  

Sounds like an interesting idea.

At best, JJ turns out to be a 3rd line forward, yeah…….lol. At worst he’s a journeyman ahl/depth forward. It could definitely be worth a try, especially because he’s a touted “defensive” forward right now anyway. For all we know, he could turn out to be a reliable defensive d-man with size and physicality, lol.

by OzzyFan on Jun 12, 2011 11:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

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