Bits: A modest proposal for Colin Campbell; thieves attack Frans-less Danes
by Dominik on May 9, 2011 6:30 AM EDT
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"Through our supervisors, we warned all the teams not to embellish. It’s becoming rampant, and we’re going to start calling it. We’ll ramp it up next round. You may not like it, but we’ll point out the guys who we feel will embellish calls."
>>NHL VP of "Hockey Operations" Colin Campbell [emphasis mine]
I've got an idea: How about calling the rules as they are written...all the time? It's crazy, I know. But it might help people make sense of how you ruin run the game they love.
Sadly, I don't have a dog in the playoff fight (But I'm still watching! I'm a good revenue-producing fan!). If I did, however, I'd be pretty pissed if a blatant dive like Joe Thornton's weren't called last round but suddenly drew the call this round because the powers that be have decided to "ramp it up." (Thornton was called for diving on that play last night.) Is there a better example of the NHL's maddening inconsistent adjudication than a stern threat that amounts to, "Boy, if you guys keep this up we're going to have to start really calling it by the rules!"
IIHF World Championship Links
- This Is What Happens When Frans Nielsen Isn't There to Scare the Brieres of Society Away: Some tools broke into the Danish team's hotel rooms and stole a bunch of stuff.
- This Is What Happens When Michael Grabner Isn't There to Do Amazing Gremlin Stuff: Sadly, Austria lost to Latvia, which means the Austrians return to Division 1 for next year.
- This Is Why It's a Czech World, You're Just Renting the Smelly Sector: After downing hosts Slovakia, the Czechs downed* Russia & The Ovechkins to win their group. (*Okay, technically it was a shootout win.)
- Speaking of both of those victims of Czech supremacy, Slovakia's flame-out is the worst host performance since...Russia's in 2000.
- By the way, if you didn't notice from the Denark link, SBN does have an international hockey blog at Puck Worlds.
Junior Playoffs Links
The Portland Tribune called the Winterhawks' Game 2 loss to Kootenay (huh huh, huh huh) a "brain freeze." Fortunately it sounds like Nino Niederreiter was not among the frozen. They did find their brains for an impressive comeback that fell short though. The game was a sellout for Portland, over 10,000.
At the other side of the continent, Owen Sound won Game 4 of the OHL final, so that series is tied at 2-2 heading back to Casey Cizikas' Mississauga.
NHL Playoffs
Wild West: What a third-period comeback for Detroit in San Jose last night. On to Game 6 in Detroit, with pressure on San Jose ramping up like an arbitrary Colie directive. [Reactions: Winging it in Motown gloats. Fear the Fin frets.]
A thought about all that: The two 3-0 series last year and this that have gone to a Game 7 were two closely matched teams. This series' first five games have been decided by a goal. Will we see more comebacks with a league that has greater parity? In other words, will more 3-0 leads be true 50/50 coin flips, prone to erasure by similar coin flips?
Playoffs?!: A fun lament from the always wonderfully cantankerous Benjain Massey at Oilers blog Copper & Blue: Why it's important to just get in the damned playoffs. This is why I do posts stressing the importance of building Isles depth. If we want playoffs, that is.
Eulogies: Bangin' Panger does the eulogy treatment for the Flyers over at Puck Daddy. I laughed.
The best news from last night (for a nut like me at least) is...the second round continues! Vancouver-Nashville Game 6 tonight, Detroit-San Jose Tuesday. I like this. Have I mentioned I don't watch baseball?
Must be the Off-Season Links
Smurfs-related: Interesting piece from Arthur Staple in Newsday: Rangers prospect Chris Kreider says he's not ready for the NHL, wants to stay at B.C. next season. The Rangers like to get their top prospects into the system, as the Isles have done. Staple theorizes there are bonus cushion/cap implications.
A Trade! Also Smurfs-related, the Coyotes and Rangers swapped some young guys.
SNY Point Blank and Craig Button: Button is a Huberduberdeau (gesundheit!) fan. They mock the draft.
Parting thought: I'm not sure the premise of my Joel Ward post was clear, so I'll try to sum it up better:
- Teams need depth to win and survive injuries.
- The Islanders could use better forward depth but can't add free agents at the top end. (There aren't many out there anyway.)
- Joel Ward, who takes Nashville's toughest assignments, is a good hockey player even without his recent scoring luck.
- Before the playoffs -- i.e. before his scoring binge (he only had 10 goals in the regular season) -- I would've targeted Ward to improve the team and relieve other developing Islanders of tougher roles.
- But given his playoff surge and ensuing buzz, he may get some silly offers that make his price too high, and his free agency more interesting to watch.
I still think defense and goal are the greater concerns, or question marks, for next season. But for a concerted push to the playoffs I'd feel better with an "unsung" tough-minute forward addition in the mold of Ward. Internal competition is healthy. Well-rounded players fill in well when injuries strike. Surviving injuries helps you make the playoffs.
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I was expecting more references to Colin Campbell eating children!
"And Campbell knows that if head-shots are eliminated, fighting must be eliminated too. Since fighting is, by definition, punching people in the head" - Quisp
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If you don't get serious, then the next post will include lots of Campbell's baby recipes.
The next post will ramp it up.
Hunter said he was just finishing his check.
Yeah, I dropped the ball there
My apologies to Mr. Swift!
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Best dive ever
Was Billy Smith flipping all of his equipment off like he was hit by a bus on a Gretzky spear (can’t remember if 83 or 84) a game after Gretzky embellished a slash. I’m pretty sure he threw his arms up, and simultaneously ripped his helmet off and tossed his glove, blocker and stick into the air and flopped to the ground. He got up laughing…99 was pissed. I’ll look around for the vid, it was incredible.
Agrees, Just. Call. The. Game.
Why do we need a memo that “seriously now, we’re really going to call that…I’m not kidding…here I come…”
That Thornton one was atrocious, and I’m not sure Franzen should have even gotten a penalty at all…why wouldn’t a lesser player do the same thing and go 1:1 with a Franzen or Zetterberg? Oh yeah, because superstar won’t get a penaly on that play unless it’s superstar on superstar. If Franzen does that to a 4th liner, nothing is called at all.
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by Keith Quinn on May 9, 2011 7:01 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
That was '83.
It was during the final game of the Isles last Cup victory, I believe. He then gloated about it when he picked up his playoff MVP honors, with Ziegler standing right next to him. Ziegler was also not happy. But Smith made the point that Gretzky (and others, perhaps) was diving all over the place, so he figured fair’s fair. :-D
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by ICanSeeForIslesAndIsles on May 9, 2011 9:08 AM EDT up reply actions
The gloat while getting the MVP was classic
I don’t often endorse diving, but when I do, I prefer it shames an unrepentant diver. Stay hockey, my friends.
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by Dominik on May 9, 2011 12:25 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
That was CLASSIC Billy Smith!!
Colin Campbell would have issued a ten game suspension and forfeiture of the cup!!!
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by Russel Ginart on May 9, 2011 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Two Can Play at that Game
If ever a hockey quote became an instant classic, that one is textbook
Man
I know that clip is on YouTube somewhere, or was. I just can’t find it.
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It should be here
but it won’t load for me. http://video.islanders.nhl.com/videocenter/console?id=2483
Love that moment...
he looked like Charlie Brown after getting undressed by a line drive back through the box.
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by JPinVA on May 9, 2011 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Ha ha ha!!!
Hadn’t thought about it that way until you mentioned it.
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by ICanSeeForIslesAndIsles on May 9, 2011 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah Collie Ramp it Up Yeah
Gimmie a break. This guy couldn’t find his own ass with a roadmap, a flashlight, and a Sherpa. Ramp yourself out of the NHL.
by Torch7 on May 9, 2011 8:00 AM EDT via mobile reply actions 1 recs
You're giving him a lot of credit.
He doesn’t know the word “flashlight.”
Hunter said he was just finishing his check.
I'd like the double secret probation explained...
…by the league offices. Why were players getting 10 minute misconducts for no physical acts in the last 10 games of the year?
10 for chirping is not in the rule book as far as I can see.
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by JPinVA on May 9, 2011 8:47 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
That statement from Collie almost seems like a reflex statement.
I’m picturing Collie face down drunk at a bar when someone sitting along his side elbows him and says something to the effect of, “HEY!….” Collie then forcefully raises his head in the air while saying, “We’re going to have to start calling it.” Once he manages to fill the air with his noise and stench of Seagrams VO his head rushes to meet his final resting point of the evening, where it was resting ever since he accepted the job of duche-a-plinarian.
Looks like not trusting his refs
Colie, the guys caught it. They called it. Jumbo went to the box. What’s this “We’ll really start cracking down!” nonsense? THEY ALREADY CALLED IT CORRECTLY.
In our league, if a team or a player is pushing things, you’ll often hear, “Knock it off or you’re sitting.” I think that refs, at bottom, just want to see good hockey just like anyone else, and hate to start having to call a lot of stupid stuff. But they will if they have to.
We may be in the box, but you get the penalty.
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by mikb on May 9, 2011 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I think the memo was from before this round
So they hadn’t called this one yet when he sent it.
But yeah, empower your refs. Memos from Colie just seem to undermine them.
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Ward
This is the perfect kind of guy to overpay for 2 years.
Yea, he’s going to get more than he’s worth. But we have cap space, and the reality is for a guy who is more of a role player, we have to significantly overpay because we can’t offer the promise of a chance at the Cup. But guys like that don’t often see big paydays either. So they might cash in quick while they can.
Either way, I like the idea you had where he would sit on a second line that would do the dirty work defensively, but contribute at the other end as well. As you said, another line benefits from having KO, and to me it creates the opportunity to ice a fourth line that can actually contribute. It could be a line of younger guys that are put in positions to succeed and not asked to just go out and maim people.
Those are all the wonderful factors that make his case interesting
I mean, undrafted, played four years of Canadian college, finally making it at a post-Moulson age…if someone offers you the bank, you take it, right? Even if just two years? Nashville is a budget team (of course, so are the Isles), so how much will they offer to keep a checker even with their cap space?
And your point about giving the developing youngsters some room is well taken. I’d basically like more insulation from the young forwards, with additions who can play the tough assignments and not have their confidence shattered because they’ve gone 15 games without a goal.
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And since the salary cap is rising quite a bit next year...
…. signing him plus the RFAs / UFAs that they desire to keep won’t put the Isles too far over the floor. Ya$hin’s cap hit is finally dying off, as well. And if I understand the cap rules right, then the floor moves up by exactly the same amount. So about $3 million more in cap space for all teams, plus the end of one very bad contract’s cap hit means we gotta spend on someone, right?
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by ICanSeeForIslesAndIsles on May 9, 2011 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions
That's true
The cap range is fixed at $16 million (or, in the NHL’s lovely legalese, $8 million above and $8 million below “the midpoint.”).
I hadn’t thought of that. Raises are due, but they may need to splurge on someone. I wonder if they can put a memo at the top: “Look, young Isles, we realize we’re paying this average UFA a lot of money, but it’s just so we can get to the floor, so don’t get any ideas about the salary structure here. You’re all still indentured. Now eat your porridge.”
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Joel Ward
Exactlly how much money are we supposed to throw at this guy? Here are his 2010-11 numbers:
80GP, 10G, 19A, 29PTS, 42PIM, 6GWG, 157shots.
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Hopefully...
not more than the $850K they could have had Bergenhiem for last year… when they didn’t have Ullstrom and Rakhshani in the wings on top NHL tested JJ, Martin and Nino able to contribute, Let’s not forget that they are also in a better position because PAP has worked out, and Grabner has succeeded beyond anyone’s expectations.
I really hope they don’t pay the PLAYOFF GOAL INFLATED rate when they passed up on the RFA Indentured Servitude rate when they were in a worse situation last year.
If we are going to spend anything it needs to be on a top six forward, top four defender or a goaltender who you are comfortable starting 20-30 NHL games, and who’s comfortable on the goalie-go-round.
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JP that was my point
The Isles can’t get into the “Playoff Goal Inflated” Playoff man crush" of someone who is just basically a journeyman and is having a great career playoff run.
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by Russel Ginart on May 9, 2011 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions
I know...
I was agreeing with you. I think there needs to be a menu selection on the reply… (agree, disagree, statistical support, replying just to be funny, need place for this picture)
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by JPinVA on May 9, 2011 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
JP you can post this beauty ANYTIME!
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by Russel Ginart on May 9, 2011 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions
defiantly inflated price's :)
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Man-crush is the danger
One I suspect at least one team will fall prey to. What I argue is that Ward was a worthy target before the playoff luckiest weeks of my life.
(Ironically, any team that signs him may in fact want him for his real off-the-scoresheet qualities, but to please fans will tout his “playoff performance” in their press release.)
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Wow though
60% of his goals were GWG? That’s pretty impressive.
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Well
what about that other 40%?
Does he win at least 50% of that remaining 40? That would be pretty good.
15 year contract, STAT.
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Man, if more 3-0 leads start to evaporate and go to 7 the heart attack/aneurysm rate amongst hockey watchers is going to spike.
I was wondering about that too, with respect to parity. It could be true – especially at the upper levels of the league where most teams are spending right up to the cap and have the same, limited number of superstars. But I also wonder if it has anything to do with what seems to be an increased level of skill in goaltenders. There seems to be more goalies every year stealing a game/multiple games in a series.
Just look at who you have left right now – Roloson playing out of his mind, Thomas playing out of his mind, Rinne playing out of his mind, Luongo playing pretty out of his mind, Niemi/Howard shutting the doors in multiple games to steal them. Even in teams eliminated you had Crawford, Quick, Lundqvist and Neuvirth all playing exceptional and keeping teams around
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Could be a factor
I mean I know a lot have talked about how goaltending now is more science than art, so the league is filled with lots of good goalies, or at least goalies capable of game-stealers on any night.
I think back to Bos-Phi last year, Van-Chi this year, and Det-SJ this year, and I see a lot of close games to get things to 3-0 (even though puck possession in any given game was more disparate). If you have Babcockian laser focus, you can realize you’re not necessarily the much worse team, you’re just tough-luck team that might be due for a run of good coin flips.
Especially when, last night, you can be beaten about for 40 minutes and then put on a 20-minute comeback to steal the win.
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One thing from that Bos-Phi series last year was that Boston lost Kreiji, probably their best player at the time and really only centre since Savard wasn’t 100%, and Philly got Richards or Carter (can’t remember exactly) back at the same time. So that swung the balance a lot as well.
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by Semi_Colon on May 9, 2011 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Definitely. Injuries helped swung that series
Didn’t Gagne or someone on Philly come back for Game 4, too?
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They still didn’t get Richards or Carter back until Game 5 (if my memory is right) they still needed the insane heroics of Gagne to win Game 4 and keep it alive.
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Yea
I think goaltending is definitely highlighted in the salary cap era. Pre-cap a goalie could play out of his mind and still lose easily because the team in front of them got steamrolled by a far superior team. I think it’s pretty much impossible to get to that level of superiority at this point.
Although I do think that if the widened the rink a little that could change a little, because the trap is definitely a key in all of this too.
Wider rink
Just imagine what that would do to some goalies!
I don’t like the 100’-wide rink of IIHF, but I could definitely handle a compromise middle ground around 92 feet or so. Some of the college games make me fantasize about this.
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But if you make the rink wider...
You’ll ramp up the distance that Clutterbuck is allowed to gain speed when charging a player.
Hunter said he was just finishing his check.
Touche
And on this point: They always say, “owners won’t stand for the loss of revenue.” Do they not realize the price they charge for on-the-glass seats?!
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I don't agree
Roli even in his present form is a ticking, expiring asset. Getting something long-term for him was a solid move. Really, signing him, playing him for 1.5 years, then flipping him for a young defenseman was a perfect play in my book.
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I guess so as long as the Wishart actually becomes a good NHL player.
When A-Mac came out he was noticeably good and so was Hamonic and these guys were late picks. So far Wisharts been OK but not that great. Hopefully he becomes a really good NHL defensman but so far hes failed to live up to his expectations.
He looks promising
Of course he’s not there yet — but that’s the nature of a futures for help-now move.
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Even if
You only get 5 “bottom pairing” years of Wishart, you couldn’t count on getting 3 top 1/2 average years from Rollie considering the age (and expiring contract…bet he wouldn’t have stayed). Value wise, I think it’s as good as you could get sans a stooge trading partner.
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by Keith Quinn on May 9, 2011 2:15 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I believe Wishart...
Has 5 years of indentured servitude left and his two-way base is about $765K.. so they are looking at Giving him $850k(two-way) next year, with a 10% progression until he proves that he is NHL worthy… That is not a big price for a guy who will most likely play 30+ games for you next year in various bottom four roles. Hell, he played 20 this year, and 10 of those were basically in a “learning capacity”, because his last 10 (IMHO) were very NHLish. He outplayed some guys that will play in front of him this coming year… again… in my opinion.
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What expectations?
We traded a 41 year old goalie in the last year of his contract for a former first rounder who was bumped down the depth chart in SJ and TB.
Last year supposedly teams weren’t even willing to give up a 2nd rounder for Rollie.
We signed Rollie as a UFA, we gave up nothing to get him. Anything we get in return for him is a plus, especially when you consider how dead the Goalie Market has been.
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Rollie is a great goalie and his age hasn't seemed to matter so far.
This guy is special and I would’ve liked to see him do what hes doing for us in next yrs playoffs…He could’ve been the X-Factor, sort of speak. Would you rather have Wishart to hopefully be an impact player or Rollie who is an impact player???
Then re-sign him...
Snow did more for him by trading him, than he would have by keeping him. It wasn’t like he EX-ISLED the guy for poor performance. That was a wife telling her husband… go ahead sweetheart, go bang your secretary for a few months… I’ll be here when she puts you in the hospital.
Most likely the secretary thinks she’s gonna get the house, the car and the vacations to europe every year… so they get divorced… the wife gets most of that (Ty Wishart)… the husband gets a few months of good stories at the club (Stanley Cup run)… maybe he even gets a few years thanks to viagra (resigned as a thank you for the mutual cup run)….
The secretary eventually gets the worst end of the deal(but it’s not all bad)… she’s gotta entertain his kids with the better years of her life (hanging on to the 42 year old goalie for his farewell tour)…. and if she’s lucky she’ll find another lover (goalie) while her ass is still tight (Stamkos, MSL, VH….) or maybe she’ll just negotiate a boob job like Edmonton does every year…
(Man… I swear that didn’t start out that way in my head… it just happened)
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Really?
If you are going by the original expectations of the Sharks, they got good value for a prospect. If you are talking about the expectations of the Bolts, then they also got excellent return for a top prospect….
Now.. if you are trying to balance the sheet for the trade… If the Isles keep Roli they probably finish no more than two positions higher than they eventually did (I hope we can agree on that)… and then the asset expires.
So… what you got for Wishart should include a swap from the 7th draft position as well.
So AIR would have been a positive return… but Roloson had a lot of value that the Bolts recognized… and were willing to give up a player on the threshold of an NHL career. If he fails, that is because he loses focus, or maybe the rest of the prospect pool passes him by, but by the looks of his play so far, at the moment of the trade, I’d say that the Islanders got EXCELLENT value for Roloson.
Look what they got for their expiring goalie asset last year… can you say “SQUADOOSH”?
That was one of the better deals that Snow has made… and it has worked out for Y as well. If Snow feels that he STILL needs a 42 year old goalie because of the goalie-go-round…. then he can always resign him… but there will most likely be smarter options come summer.
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Considering this is the same man that called Marc Savard a "little faker"
his anger towards embellishers is just absurd. He has no idea, obviously, who is embellishing. What does this man have to do to lose his job? Why does he just step down already?
I agree on depth, all the elite teams had it. I think in a few seasons we will too.
I dont think Ward would be a good addition though. That +/- -1 is cause for concern, considering he plays for a defensively oriented team, although you did mention he plays tough minutes. I’d rather Trent Hunter stay healthy next season. A similar player who’s already on our books. Ugh when will we stay healthy!?
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Giving someone an offsetting minor is not exactly a jarring punishment
If they want to stop dives and embellishments they need to make it actually hurt the team or player. Real blatant ones should get 10 minute unsportsmanlike penalties. Or fines. We really don’t need this to turn in to soccer.
You mean to tell me shooting the puck from 70 feet out doesn't earn us extra goals?
From what I understand, they can fine for unsportmanlike penalties. But with the 2,500 max fine, it’s not much at all. They need to raise that, it’s ridiculous
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It should be a specific percentage of that player's salary.
If it was 1%, then someone making league minimum would be fined not much more than they already are today, but a few grand certainly hurts them much more than the superstars. Meanwhile, a $7 million per year man should be fined $70,000. In the end, they’re usually the most guilty parties, anyway.
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by ICanSeeForIslesAndIsles on May 9, 2011 12:51 PM EDT up reply actions
You can't increase the fine without having a better system.
Would you or I be willing to lose even 1% of your salary if it were at Colon Campbell’s discretion?
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No doubt
I’d prefer a percentage of player’s salary to be the fines, but not while the decisions are in the hands of Colie’s crew. You’d need a pretty legit committee/board to make such decisions.
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Suspensions work that way.
When a player is suspended he is forfeitting 1/82 of his salary per game suspended. That’s bad enough. Making fines a percentage of salary does not work no matter who is doling out the penalty. Should player A pay more for "comitting the same crime, just because he is paid more?
Just call ONE penalty and it will stop. No need for fines. If you think the original infraction was really a penalty, then don’t call the unsportsmanlike.
If somebody gets robbed, do you put the victim in jail because he runs around screaming, “I got robbed, I got robbed”? If he files a false report do you keep the alleged criminal in lock-up? Make up your mind…. it’s either a penalty, or it isn’t… both ways.
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I'm a fan of the 2 and 2
I know it seems the majority of fans aren’t. I just think, if someone embellishes an infraction to milk a call from the ref, then they’re encouraging theatrics and embellishment overall.
Play the way you play, and hope the ref catches the call. When you start to add that extra soccer-style theatrics, you establish a “precedent” of what a penalty victim looks like. In short, I’ve zero problem with calling both a penalty and a dive.
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I see your point...
but the refs can barely call the game… it’s hard to think they can call “intent” as well. I don’t have a problem with the “embellishment” being reviewed… then fining… then suspending players for multiple infractons. But in the course of the game, if you see a penalty, call the penalty. If you see a guy going down on something that wouldn’t knock a fifth grader off their skates, call the unsportsmanlike…
We’ll have to disagree there… I’m not a fan of the 2 and 2… because then BOTH penalties are meaningless…
Not to be long winded… but…
If they gave the refs more options, and you had the progressive system I’ve suggested before (1min for DOG, 5min for Boarding( maybe you could hand out 2 for tripping and 1 for embellishment. But to cancel a legit tripping for an ASSUMED embellishment…
…and YES, I understand that “assumed” is not wholly accurate.
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I'm open to those
And fines after the fact would be good (I think they would really help soccer).
It’s dangerous leeway for the refs, but there are times when both penalties are so obvious, I like them having the option. As long as they call it on Crosby too, of course.
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I agree about the 2+2
BUT, in the Thornton/Franzen thing, do you think that would have even been called without the “embellishment”? I don’t, and, I’ll bet there was far worse stickwork in that period that WASN’T called.
So application of the 2+2 is as stupid as the disciplinary process. What do you think?
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by Keith Quinn on May 9, 2011 2:20 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I'm torn
I mean, even though Franzen barely connected, swinging your stick like that isn’t kosher. It would be funny if Thornton got two minutes for can-opening, Franzen got two minutes for slashing, then Thornton got an extra two for community theater acting.
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wonderfully cantankerous Benjain Massey
Like Andy Rooney?
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Except funnier, and more coherent
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What is
the eyebrow to face ratio on Massey?
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Good question
Not sure, and he’s a soccer fan to boot.
I never realized that Rooney is just Columbo with grey hair.
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Its amazing how there is no checks & balances for the powers that be.
Like Dom said, how about calling the game by the rules all the time???WTF is going on with this beloved sport? Ass clowns are allowed to simply make up rules as they go. They literally have different rules for different teams/players…Common sense goes out the friggen window and nobody with any clout says anything. Im beside myself…This is ludicrous!!
It starts with the top.
Eliminate Bettman and his cronies have no protection. No “heckuva job” anything.
Hunter said he was just finishing his check.
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