Did the Islanders Help Cause the Flyers Collapse?
As the Bruins stand with a commanding 3-0 lead at home, and the Flyers holding seemingly no answers in part thanks to a playoff-long goaltending turnstile, one has to ask "What went wrong?" The answer may not be further away than a 7-4 Flyers win over the Isles in a mostly meaningless game 82 for both teams.
Prior to this year, the young Sergei Bobrovsky had only played a total of 67 games in two KHL seasons for Novokuznetsk Metallurg. He wasn't even expected to play in the NHL this season, but instead take time in the AHL to get acclimated with the North American game. But Bob's incredible preseason play, Micheal Leighton's injury and Johan Backlund's poor preseason jump him up the depth chart.
The Flyers were rewarded with some great runs from Bob, as he won 8 of 9 (with an OTL) from the end of October to midway through November, plus another streak which included him winning all 6 games he played in January. Yet endurance was the biggest question mark, and his first game of March would be his 40th of the season. He would have one great game, and one horrifying game. Yet with the #1 seed in the conference and their division lead both up for grabs, the Flyers kept going back to the well.
A great five game run to end March and begin April gave Bobrovsky enough steam for coach Peter Laviolette to name him official playoff starter for the Flyers. During that run he posted games with .968, .973, .926, .955, and .941 SV%, including his first back-to-back wins since January. He was named playoff starter following a loss to Ottawa in which he gave up 4 goals on 35 shots. That was on April 5th. A few days later, April 8th, he went to overtime with Buffalo in a 4-3 OTL although he only had 25 saves on 29 shots.
It was then surprising to see Bob get his first back to back starts since December 4th and 5th, as he was announced as the starter for the Islanders game to finish the season. For the Flyers the choice made a lot of sense. The Islanders had nothing to play for, were down to the bottom of the barrel on defensemen -- signing ATOs to fill out the season -- and were even starting Rick DiPietro. There were only two Islanders on the roster that night who had even won a game at Philly while an Islander.
Give Bobrovsky a start against the Islanders, who had only beaten the Flyers one time in the last almost 20 meetings, easy win and you get his confidence back, right? It was as close to a no-lose situation for the Flyers as they could possibly get for the young Bobrovsky. And it started well: With two Flyers goals scored in under a minute, it had all the looks of an easy night as the Flyers looked to be running over the Isles.
It turned just as quickly on the Flyers, as Bob gave up 3 goals in a five-minute span of the first and turned around the momentum of the game. He was quickly pulled, his final stats for the night left at 3 goals against, 10 shots against, 12 minutes played.
Although that didn't change who was starting for the Flyers in the playoffs, it was a sign of what was to come. Bobrovsky lost the first game of the playoffs to Buffalo just 1-0 while facing 25 shots. But the following game he started and gave up 3 goals in 13 minutes with 7 shots against. That led to Bob being shown to the press box and last year's playoff hero Micheal Leighton and Brian Boucher being given second and third chances to win the day.
Although Bob is back on the bench, he still hasn't started another game as the Flyers have dropped three straight to the Bruins. Laviolette's unwillingness to put Bob back on the ice (and even going so far as putting Boucher back out after he had suffered an injury) has got to make you wonder if Lavi is beyond hope on Bob.
It also brings up the idea of any game being truly "meaningless." Maybe if the Islanders lay down and die instead of fighting back in game 82, the confidence within and behind Bobrovsky isn't shaken, and the Flyers aren't in this hole.
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As much as this is fun to talk about....
It could just be Bobrovsky really isn’t very good. Small Sample sizes and Goalies.
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Bob is good
I just think he burnt out given that he’s never played this many games in a season before and is all of 20.
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I have to say... I think this is a reach
He came back and played very well in the playoff opener, and hasn’t been terrible in relief (21 of 24 in about a game’s worth of playing time). So is this just a hiccup, or is it just a matter of playing stronger teams in the playoffs than the Islanders, or what?
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Agree: fun to talk about BUT a REACH never-the-less
We are all Islanders, even if we are in Jersey!
by Russel Ginart on May 5, 2011 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions
That's what I was thinking
Hardly a A + B = C moment, but fun for discussion fodder.
My suspicion is the Flyers had concerns about Bob both with endurance and exposure — as in, literally exposing opponents to his flaws (shoot high!) — and some of those late-season goalfests may have shaken Lavi’s confidence in him to the point he yanked him quickly in the playoffs.
Frankly, the Flyers were trying to sneak by with average goaltending, and maybe part of that was trying to capture Bob hot while not giving him too much exposure. When you see Bob or Boucher on their bad nights, you understand why that would make a team nervous.
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I do find it an interesting series of events.
Bob hadn’t played back to back games since early December, suddenly gets a back to back start against the Isles on the final game of the year. He struggles, struggles again in the 2nd game of the playoffs and hasn’t started again.
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You might be on to something...
… if the Mets didn’t score that meaningless run in the last game against Philadelphia, maybe the Philatios would have won the world series last year…. yeah… I’m gonna go with that.
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If I didn't have that extra shot in the parking lot
of the Endy catch game……maybe I would have been able to yell harder, and distract Wainright from throwing that awesome curveball to end the game…..
Although the only thing worth questioning as a met fan is:
“If I never started rooting for the mets…….”
Proud to root for the Jets, Mets, and Islanders!!!
My hair wouldnt be grey at 20
and id live 10-15 years longer?
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Wainwright curve as a topic
That’s my cue to silently slink away…
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I went to games 1&2...
But kept the WS games in DET instead of going to 6&7… Too much travel from VA to do both… so I wound up watching STL beat DET in G1 in that lovely city….
But I did get to watch my buddy toss his cookies on (well…within a few feet of anyway) Rob Dibble at the hotel bar… a memory I won’t soon forget. The best thing I took from that baseball season was this RULE….
If you are drinking with somebody that chews tobacco ALWAYS check which glass you pick up!
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Lessons on life
If you are drinking with somebody that chews tobacco ALWAYS check which glass you pick up!
Good God, this rule is so important. It’s worse if the chewer is a guy you love so much and who’s so hilarious it’s hard to get angry with him.
I spent a good deal of college dodging chew cup mines.
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by Russel Ginart on May 5, 2011 6:19 PM EDT up reply actions
please no mets talk
Please, I beg you. No more pain, make it go away!!!
by Empire39 on May 5, 2011 4:27 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Hate to say this
But the Isles goal situation doesn’t look good either. Snow has forgotton more about this position than Lavy and the Philly GM will ever learn. A new face not currently in the Isles organization is coming. I invite guesses.
Guesses
Bob Hope? Mitch Cumstein?
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by Dominik on May 5, 2011 5:06 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
me?
Dear heavens, NO. :::buys hip insurance::::
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Rec'd for Mitch reference...
…and next year you will be able to add Mitch to the reasons people have found LHH.
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by Russel Ginart on May 5, 2011 6:25 PM EDT up reply actions
I think you jest
WS but I’ll remind you later
A Right-Handed Shot?
But is he a goalie?
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This is goung to sound stupid
But has there ever been a player to switch positions from goalie or to goalie? Like a pitcher switching toast Fielding position
by Empire39 on May 5, 2011 8:42 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Just saying, I would love to see the preds get to the finals just to see how big weber's beard can grow in such short time.
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Let's go Islanders! Beep...Beep...Beep.Beep.Beep.
Datsyuk IS the best player in the nhl
He'd definitely give Commodore a run
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lol, that pick never gets old. That's what every nhl player(maybe not goalies) should look like by the stanley cup.
You’d think more players could and would grow a big beard in 1 month.
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Datsyuk IS the best player in the nhl
I can't grow crap for a beard, but I could definitely match that afro.
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I've seen some sick fros. A couple people I know grew afros out in high school and they looked awesome, but were really high maintenece.
Lot more high maintenence then a beard. I can grow a beard no problem though, an afro is another story. My hair doesn’t grow quick at all.
Proud Islanders fan, the organization that iced the greatest team to ever play the game, whom won 4 consecutive cups. I'm bleeding Blue and Orange.
Let's go Islanders! Beep...Beep...Beep.Beep.Beep.
Datsyuk IS the best player in the nhl
Def. high-maintenance
You practically need a signed guarantee from a woman for future services rendered to go through with it.
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I don't buy the argument.
It’s fun to consider.
That Endy catch was amazing. I remember my friend screaming “NO! FUCK YOU FUCK YOU, YEEEEEEEEES!!!” as we watched the ball go over the wall only to be snatched back from homerun land.
Hunter said he was just finishing his check.
Only Guy Responsible for Flyers Collapse is Holmgren
The Flyers are loaded up front, but they absolutely refused to part with anything of value to get Roloson or Vokoun or any other goaltender better than the mess they have. Since the goaltender was the final piece for them, that’s unbelievably stupid.
Laviolette continuing to rotate goaltenders every other shift is basically showing Holmgren up at this point, even though he deserves it. I wouldn’t be all that surprised if Laviolette is once again wearing out his welcome pretty quick.
And BTW, unlike that great genius Gord Miller, I’m less than enamored with the Flyers defense corps, those brilliant “puck-movers” Miller was talking to Cry Baby about. They’re pretty sloppy defensively. If the Islanders exposed anything in Game 82, it included that sloppiness and inattention to detail.
While, as I've said before, it is truly amusing to be an Isles fan poking fun at another team's goalie troubles
this has got to go down as one of the biggest mistakes, from a GM PoV in NHL history.
Holmgren has a team on the cusp f fgreatness, but with a limited widnow of opportunity. Pronger is getting long in the tooth but is still dominant and his D-mates are not spring chickens. Flyers have a tremendous young forward corps that can score with the best of them. And lurking over it all is the zeitgeist of a franchise which has been without a top notch goaltender for 20 years. He KNOWS that Nobokov can be had for a king’s ransom last summer. He KNOWS that Vokoun and Roloson are available at the deadline. Any one of those three (and of course, I’d lean toward Roloson as obviously the best choice of hte three), could lead his team to the promised land. Roloson even has the upside of being good for a couple more years, if they decide to keep him.
Now, I have to expect that Garth wanted more than a Wishart type of prospect to trade him within the division (in fact, I don’t even know if he’d have traded Roli to Philly), and while I can only dream of a Claude Giroux type player coming back to the Island for Roloson, but wouldn’t that have been worth a Staney Cup to the Flyers organization? Holmgren’s error in tossing Bobrovsky into the deep end wearing an anchor could easily leave that team hamstrung for the next five years as Bob struggles to regain his confidence, and the Flyers are no closer to the Cup than they were last year, when even average Goaltending would have won them a Cup.
There's a mountain of buoyant nostalgia under this team and it's going to erupt like Vesuvius when the Islanders are back in playoff contention.... Count on it.
by Nova Scotia Isles Fan on May 6, 2011 8:05 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
After thinking about it
Maybe the Isles got in Lavi’s head more than Bob’s. He certainly looked okay last night and didn’t get much help on the goals scored against them. I think he can be a starting goalie and can help stabilize the position for them (lord knows until the last game against us, he looked unbeatable) but not yet. They need a vet (a good vet).
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by Keith Quinn on May 7, 2011 7:38 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
I could buy that
When he yanked him and didn’t even have him on the bench next game, I wondered if it was because that final goal was such a perfect example of leveraging Bob’s weakness: Too low of a crouch, too soon, too deep in net, so deposit the shot over the shoulder.
It got me wondering if part of the care in using him this year was to keep his flaws from getting too much attention.
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