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Did the Islanders Help Cause the Flyers Collapse?

As the Bruins stand with a commanding 3-0 lead at home, and the Flyers holding seemingly no answers in part thanks to a playoff-long goaltending turnstile, one has to ask "What went wrong?" The answer may not be further away than a 7-4 Flyers win over the Isles in a mostly meaningless game 82 for both teams.

Prior to this year, the young Sergei Bobrovsky had only played a total of 67 games in two KHL seasons for Novokuznetsk Metallurg. He wasn't even expected to play in the NHL this season, but instead take time in the AHL to get acclimated with the North American game. But Bob's incredible preseason play, Micheal Leighton's injury and Johan Backlund's poor preseason jump him up the depth chart.

The Flyers were rewarded with some great runs from Bob, as he won 8 of 9 (with an OTL) from the end of October to midway through November, plus another streak which included him winning all 6 games he played in January. Yet endurance was the biggest question mark, and his first game of March would be his 40th of the season. He would have one great game, and one horrifying game. Yet with the #1 seed in the conference and their division lead both up for grabs, the Flyers kept going back to the well.

Star-divide

A great five game run to end March and begin April gave Bobrovsky enough steam for coach Peter Laviolette to name him official playoff starter for the Flyers. During that run he posted games with .968, .973, .926, .955, and .941 SV%, including his first back-to-back wins since January. He was named playoff starter following a loss to Ottawa in which he gave up 4 goals on 35 shots. That was on April 5th. A few days later, April 8th, he went to overtime with Buffalo in a 4-3 OTL although he only had 25 saves on 29 shots. 

 

It was then surprising to see Bob get his first back to back starts since December 4th and 5th, as he was announced as the starter for the Islanders game to finish the season. For the Flyers the choice made a lot of sense. The Islanders had nothing to play for, were down to the bottom of the barrel on defensemen -- signing ATOs to fill out the season -- and were even starting Rick DiPietro. There were only two Islanders on the roster that night who had even won a game at Philly while an Islander.

Give Bobrovsky a start against the Islanders, who had only beaten the Flyers one time in the last almost 20 meetings, easy win and you get his confidence back, right? It was as close to a no-lose situation for the Flyers as they could possibly get for the young Bobrovsky. And it started well: With two Flyers goals scored in under a minute, it had all the looks of an easy night as the Flyers looked to be running over the Isles.

It turned just as quickly on the Flyers, as Bob gave up 3 goals in a five-minute span of the first and turned around the momentum of the game. He was quickly pulled, his final stats for the night left at 3 goals against, 10 shots against, 12 minutes played.

Although that didn't change who was starting for the Flyers in the playoffs, it was a sign of what was to come. Bobrovsky lost the first game of the playoffs to Buffalo just 1-0 while facing 25 shots. But the following game he started and gave up 3 goals in 13 minutes with 7 shots against. That led to Bob being shown to the press box and last year's playoff hero Micheal Leighton and Brian Boucher being given second and third chances to win the day.

Although Bob is back on the bench, he still hasn't started another game as the Flyers have dropped three straight to the Bruins. Laviolette's unwillingness to put Bob back on the ice (and even going so far as putting Boucher back out after he had suffered an injury) has got to make you wonder if Lavi is beyond hope on Bob.

It also brings up the idea of any game being truly "meaningless." Maybe if the Islanders lay down and die instead of fighting back in game 82, the confidence within and behind Bobrovsky isn't shaken, and the Flyers aren't in this hole.

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As much as this is fun to talk about....

It could just be Bobrovsky really isn’t very good. Small Sample sizes and Goalies.

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by garik16 on May 5, 2011 12:53 PM EDT reply actions  

Bob is good

I just think he burnt out given that he’s never played this many games in a season before and is all of 20.

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by Mark D on May 5, 2011 4:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

I have to say... I think this is a reach

He came back and played very well in the playoff opener, and hasn’t been terrible in relief (21 of 24 in about a game’s worth of playing time). So is this just a hiccup, or is it just a matter of playing stronger teams in the playoffs than the Islanders, or what?

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by mikb on May 5, 2011 12:55 PM EDT reply actions  

That's what I was thinking

Hardly a A + B = C moment, but fun for discussion fodder.

My suspicion is the Flyers had concerns about Bob both with endurance and exposure — as in, literally exposing opponents to his flaws (shoot high!) — and some of those late-season goalfests may have shaken Lavi’s confidence in him to the point he yanked him quickly in the playoffs.

Frankly, the Flyers were trying to sneak by with average goaltending, and maybe part of that was trying to capture Bob hot while not giving him too much exposure. When you see Bob or Boucher on their bad nights, you understand why that would make a team nervous.

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by Dominik on May 5, 2011 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

I do find it an interesting series of events.

Bob hadn’t played back to back games since early December, suddenly gets a back to back start against the Isles on the final game of the year. He struggles, struggles again in the 2nd game of the playoffs and hasn’t started again.

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by Mark D on May 5, 2011 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

You might be on to something...

… if the Mets didn’t score that meaningless run in the last game against Philadelphia, maybe the Philatios would have won the world series last year…. yeah… I’m gonna go with that.

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by JPinVA on May 5, 2011 1:48 PM EDT reply actions  

If I didn't have that extra shot in the parking lot

of the Endy catch game……maybe I would have been able to yell harder, and distract Wainright from throwing that awesome curveball to end the game…..

Although the only thing worth questioning as a met fan is:

“If I never started rooting for the mets…….”

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by CharlieIsles on May 5, 2011 3:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

My hair wouldnt be grey at 20

and id live 10-15 years longer?

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by Zhora on May 5, 2011 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wainwright curve as a topic

That’s my cue to silently slink away…

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by Dominik on May 5, 2011 5:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

I went to games 1&2...

But kept the WS games in DET instead of going to 6&7… Too much travel from VA to do both… so I wound up watching STL beat DET in G1 in that lovely city….
But I did get to watch my buddy toss his cookies on (well…within a few feet of anyway) Rob Dibble at the hotel bar… a memory I won’t soon forget. The best thing I took from that baseball season was this RULE….
If you are drinking with somebody that chews tobacco ALWAYS check which glass you pick up!

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by JPinVA on May 5, 2011 5:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Puking on Dibble

That’s gold. Worst announcer ever.

by afrosupreme on May 5, 2011 7:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Lessons on life
If you are drinking with somebody that chews tobacco ALWAYS check which glass you pick up!

Good God, this rule is so important. It’s worse if the chewer is a guy you love so much and who’s so hilarious it’s hard to get angry with him.

I spent a good deal of college dodging chew cup mines.

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by Dominik on May 6, 2011 11:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

please no mets talk

Please, I beg you. No more pain, make it go away!!!

by Empire39 on May 5, 2011 4:27 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Hate to say this

But the Isles goal situation doesn’t look good either. Snow has forgotton more about this position than Lavy and the Philly GM will ever learn. A new face not currently in the Isles organization is coming. I invite guesses.

by altosax on May 5, 2011 4:27 PM EDT reply actions  

Guesses

Bob Hope? Mitch Cumstein?

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by Dominik on May 5, 2011 5:06 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

me?

Dear heavens, NO. :::buys hip insurance::::

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by mikb on May 5, 2011 5:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Rec'd for Mitch reference...

…and next year you will be able to add Mitch to the reasons people have found LHH.

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by JPinVA on May 5, 2011 5:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Rec'd for Rec'ing the Mitch reference!

We are all Islanders, even if we are in Jersey!

by Russel Ginart on May 5, 2011 6:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think you jest

WS but I’ll remind you later

by altosax on May 5, 2011 6:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

A Right-Handed Shot?

But is he a goalie?

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by Dominik on May 6, 2011 11:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

This is goung to sound stupid

But has there ever been a player to switch positions from goalie or to goalie? Like a pitcher switching toast Fielding position

by Empire39 on May 5, 2011 8:42 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Just saying, I would love to see the preds get to the finals just to see how big weber's beard can grow in such short time.

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by OzzyFan on May 5, 2011 10:10 PM EDT reply actions  

He'd definitely give Commodore a run

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by Dominik on May 6, 2011 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

lol, that pick never gets old. That's what every nhl player(maybe not goalies) should look like by the stanley cup.

You’d think more players could and would grow a big beard in 1 month.

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by OzzyFan on May 6, 2011 11:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

I can't grow crap for a beard, but I could definitely match that afro.

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by Dominik on May 8, 2011 2:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

I've seen some sick fros. A couple people I know grew afros out in high school and they looked awesome, but were really high maintenece.

Lot more high maintenence then a beard. I can grow a beard no problem though, an afro is another story. My hair doesn’t grow quick at all.

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by OzzyFan on May 8, 2011 4:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Def. high-maintenance

You practically need a signed guarantee from a woman for future services rendered to go through with it.

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by Dominik on May 9, 2011 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't buy the argument.

It’s fun to consider.

That Endy catch was amazing. I remember my friend screaming “NO! FUCK YOU FUCK YOU, YEEEEEEEEES!!!” as we watched the ball go over the wall only to be snatched back from homerun land.

Hunter said he was just finishing his check.

by Turgeon1992 on May 5, 2011 10:22 PM EDT reply actions  

Only Guy Responsible for Flyers Collapse is Holmgren

The Flyers are loaded up front, but they absolutely refused to part with anything of value to get Roloson or Vokoun or any other goaltender better than the mess they have. Since the goaltender was the final piece for them, that’s unbelievably stupid.

Laviolette continuing to rotate goaltenders every other shift is basically showing Holmgren up at this point, even though he deserves it. I wouldn’t be all that surprised if Laviolette is once again wearing out his welcome pretty quick.

And BTW, unlike that great genius Gord Miller, I’m less than enamored with the Flyers defense corps, those brilliant “puck-movers” Miller was talking to Cry Baby about. They’re pretty sloppy defensively. If the Islanders exposed anything in Game 82, it included that sloppiness and inattention to detail.

by rmblifn on May 5, 2011 11:47 PM EDT reply actions  

While, as I've said before, it is truly amusing to be an Isles fan poking fun at another team's goalie troubles

this has got to go down as one of the biggest mistakes, from a GM PoV in NHL history.

Holmgren has a team on the cusp f fgreatness, but with a limited widnow of opportunity. Pronger is getting long in the tooth but is still dominant and his D-mates are not spring chickens. Flyers have a tremendous young forward corps that can score with the best of them. And lurking over it all is the zeitgeist of a franchise which has been without a top notch goaltender for 20 years. He KNOWS that Nobokov can be had for a king’s ransom last summer. He KNOWS that Vokoun and Roloson are available at the deadline. Any one of those three (and of course, I’d lean toward Roloson as obviously the best choice of hte three), could lead his team to the promised land. Roloson even has the upside of being good for a couple more years, if they decide to keep him.

Now, I have to expect that Garth wanted more than a Wishart type of prospect to trade him within the division (in fact, I don’t even know if he’d have traded Roli to Philly), and while I can only dream of a Claude Giroux type player coming back to the Island for Roloson, but wouldn’t that have been worth a Staney Cup to the Flyers organization? Holmgren’s error in tossing Bobrovsky into the deep end wearing an anchor could easily leave that team hamstrung for the next five years as Bob struggles to regain his confidence, and the Flyers are no closer to the Cup than they were last year, when even average Goaltending would have won them a Cup.

There's a mountain of buoyant nostalgia under this team and it's going to erupt like Vesuvius when the Islanders are back in playoff contention.... Count on it.

by Nova Scotia Isles Fan on May 6, 2011 8:05 AM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

Rec'd

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by OzzyFan on May 6, 2011 11:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

As a lifelong Isles fan, I’m going to say yes, yes we did.

by Bepfront on May 6, 2011 10:58 AM EDT reply actions  

Ha, that's the spirit!

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by Dominik on May 6, 2011 11:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

After thinking about it

Maybe the Isles got in Lavi’s head more than Bob’s. He certainly looked okay last night and didn’t get much help on the goals scored against them. I think he can be a starting goalie and can help stabilize the position for them (lord knows until the last game against us, he looked unbeatable) but not yet. They need a vet (a good vet).

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by Keith Quinn on May 7, 2011 7:38 AM EDT via mobile reply actions  

I could buy that

When he yanked him and didn’t even have him on the bench next game, I wondered if it was because that final goal was such a perfect example of leveraging Bob’s weakness: Too low of a crouch, too soon, too deep in net, so deposit the shot over the shoulder.

It got me wondering if part of the care in using him this year was to keep his flaws from getting too much attention.

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by Dominik on May 8, 2011 2:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

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