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Things we saw over the Memorial Day (U.S.) holiday weekend, while enduring the long wait for the Stanley Cup finals to begin:

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Glad those of you who had long weekends are back. We've got plenty more hockey to discuss this week...

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Well, looks like RSH is gonna freeze his ass off

From Bob Mckenzie:
11 am Central time announcement. Now official. Pending NHL B of G approval, Thrashers moving to Winnipeg.
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by Keith Quinn on May 31, 2011 8:05 AM EDT via mobile reply actions  

And this stupid idea...they should pay these guys more...

Team will play out of the Southeast Division in the Eastern Conference for one year before NHL realignment kicks in.
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by Keith Quinn on May 31, 2011 8:36 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Regarding Nabokov

I think I am on record as being opposed to trading him for scraps, so I am not at all interested in Carcillo or Leino. His contract amount, plus his value as a probable #1 goalie tell me he is worth more than nothing.

I am intrigued by the possibility, as suggested in one of those articles, of getting someone lke Matt Carle at $3.4 milion for a year. I recognize that throwing that kind of scratch at someone who may not be in the long term picture might upset the apple cart, but I would suggest that he fits my requirement of a #3-4 Dman with some scoring punch and decent defensive numbers. (39 assists and +30 last year with what looks like little PP time).

There's a mountain of buoyant nostalgia under this team and it's going to erupt like Vesuvius when the Islanders are back in playoff contention.... Count on it.

by Nova Scotia Isles Fan on May 31, 2011 9:38 AM EDT reply actions  

If Leino can be signed before we trade for him

I’m not against bringing him in. Your talking about someone who was 5th on the Flyers in scoring this year and managed 21 points in 19 playoff games a year ago. He’d probably line up well with Bailey. I just wouldn’t trade Nabokov for his rights.

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by Mark D on May 31, 2011 10:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

I don't

necessarily read that as trading those guys for Nabokov. More that if he lets them walk he can make some room to retain/sign others with the additional money Nabokov will save.

I wouldn’t really want to see him traded for either of them (not even if Leino is signed), in large part because regardless of his actual value as a player, he has significant value to the Flyers because of the minimal cap hit. That, plus the fact we’re helping a team in the division compounds his value significantly in my opinion. There are other teams out there in similar boats, and I’d think the Flyers should have to pay well beyond whatever Nabokov’s value would be in a vacuum.

by afrosupreme on May 31, 2011 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed

I don’t like the idea of helping bail Philly out of their cap troubles.

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by Dominik on May 31, 2011 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

If someone else offers...

… a guy like Leino, Isles go with the other offer. But if Philly has the best offer on the table and Isles don’t think keeping Nabokov is the best thing to do for the long run, I don’t see a problem dealing with Philly. The two major differences I see as far as dealing within division is that (1) Isles play Philly two more times than most other eastern teams—five more times than western teams?— and (2) they are fighting for the same top playoff position (division winner gets home ice in 1st round and good chance for 2nd round)…. Considerable, but not a deal-breaker IMO.

by North Dakota Red Eagle on Jun 1, 2011 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

Why NOT Leino?

Of all the Flyers, Leino and Van Riems Dyk seem to have presented the biggest problems to us this past season and the one before it – I haven’t checked Ville’s stats to be sure but I know how much he’s been an irritant…..Carcillo, I’m right there with you, NSIF!

by ogam5 on May 31, 2011 9:55 AM EDT reply actions  

Florida Panther's Viewership

Wow the Panther’s only average 3,000 household views a game. That’s just too sad to even crack a joke over.

by joeconte on May 31, 2011 10:38 AM EDT reply actions  

much better on this quiz

Got 76 of 112. Would have gotten 77 if I knew how to spell.

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by mikb on May 31, 2011 10:44 AM EDT reply actions  

88 out of 112

Spelled two wrong, so it should be 90. Dammit!

You really need to know your Old Tyme Hockey to get those Leafs guys.

by PGI on May 31, 2011 11:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

No doubt

And I missed Dickie Moore (#12) on the Habs. My dad loved Dickie Moore, and Moore wore the same number on the Blues. I sat there staring at #12 knowing I should come up with it, but no.

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by Dominik on May 31, 2011 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions  

good stuff

The numbers helped a lot. I actually got both the Leafs guys. One thing I struggled with was remembering all the defensemen… for example, I sat for about ninety seconds going, “What’s his face who won those Norris Trophies before Orr, Harry Whatsisface, that Ranger dude… and the other one from Montreal, not Doug Wilson from Chicago, the other Doug…. crap crap crap crap.”

I mean, if you count all of those I probably got 149 out of 112!

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by mikb on May 31, 2011 1:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Rangers

For some reason, every time I stare at the Rangers — whether in this retired uni one or in the top 200 NHL goal scorers one — I draw a blank. It’s like my subconscious takes over and refuses to acknowledge them.

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by Dominik on May 31, 2011 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

????
For some reason, every time I stare at the #%^&*(! — whether in this retired uni one or in the top 200 NHL goal scorers one — I draw a blank. It’s like my subconscious takes over and refuses to acknowledge them.

What team were you talking about? It didn’t come out on my monitor.

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by mikb on May 31, 2011 4:56 PM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

Link from copper n blue

http://www.coppernblue.com/2011/5/29/2196060/when-does-a-re-build-start-how-long-should-she-last

Discusses Edmonton, Pittsburgh, Washington, St. Louis and Chicago, and how veering from a rebuild can lengthen the process. Dom, is this guy right on about your Blues?

This article for me puts the Isles and Garth’s moves/lack of moves in a very positive perspective.

"Seriously that's the last time you guys f#@%ing won?" -RSH (about beating the Penguins in '93)

by Bryan2112 on May 31, 2011 11:12 AM EDT reply actions  

Got this from the Spezza link

"Seriously that's the last time you guys f#@%ing won?" -RSH (about beating the Penguins in '93)

by Bryan2112 on May 31, 2011 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

He's way off on the Blues

He just doesn’t even have the timeline right.

Cliff Notes on the Blues are: Wal-Mart-in-law owner wanted to own an NBA team in St. Louis, so he bought an NHL team and areener (1999), goosed the payroll, went hog wild to compete with the Western Joneses, including rival Stan Kroenke, who is a different Wal-Mart-in-law who owns the Avalanche.

Once it was clear he would not get an NBA team (ironically, the NBA said it was “determined” to keep the Grizz in Vancouver), he tired of the hockey toy and stripped it of long-term commitments under the excuse that it made the team “more attractive” for potential buyers. (Yes, if I’m buying a hockey team, I definitely don’t want that team to have prime-era Pronger, Stillman, Demitra…no way.)

The sale process took over 1.5 years, the new regime under John Davidson didn’t take over until literally the eve of the draft and free agency period in 2006 (when the team had already hit rock bottom), and they had to try wild things like overpay Jay McKee ($4 million per!) just to come sign there. (Does this sound familiar to anyone?)

I guess the writer’s point is that you’re supposed to tank, tank, tank and the Blues haven’t done it well enough. They’ve consistently turned vets/UFAs into good chips. They’ve made some mistakes, but they have not veered from the path. If anything, their surprise playoff appearance boosted expectations too soon, but I’m not sure how you avoid that.

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by Dominik on May 31, 2011 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

411 on 590

 Bailey would have liked to have stayed in juniors to play on that Windsor team. If I remember correctly he would have captained the team, and would only have made them better. He also missed the WJC that year. He was drafted the year that Mickey Renaud passed. That team had a 15 year old Taylor Hall (not to mention Ryan Ellis and Shugg). What a crime it was to pull him out of that to be on that 2008-09 DISASTER of an Islander team.
Wouldn’t it be pure irony if Haley winds up between Dibo and Martin at some point this season. Martin showed he was capable of playing the RW with Bailey and Comeau… That’s an “energy line” with energy… and some scoring potential.
BTW: What is Haley’s status? He’s a UFA. I think everybody wants him back, but what’s taking so long… it’s not like he could be negotiating for much more that the league minimum.

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by JPinVA on May 31, 2011 11:23 AM EDT reply actions  

It was a great interview
  • the collective groans talking about what a pain in the ass DiBo is really clarified why he got boarded so much last year. I really had no idea about that with him…all I saw was some pretty good point totals and assumed he was…cleaner?
  • the fact that these guys are training partners and making appearances makes me think Haley will be retained…getting TEH CORE guys with deadlines (RFAs like MG, KO, CC, Nillson) are probably more of a priority.
  • that does suck about Bailey…it’s a shame if he was pretty much forced into playing here against his wishes.

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by Keith Quinn on May 31, 2011 11:38 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

DiBo cleanliness

From the sounds of it, his mouth is a big part of why players hate him.

On Haley/UFAs: I don’t think “what’s taking so long” is quite the issue. If you look at the summer as part of their business cycle, there are a lot of natural priorities — June 1 being one, draft prep being another, the areener effort being one more — with only so many hours in the day.

I’m sure signing Cizikas, assuming it happens, impacts how they view their future depth chart, length of commitment and negotiating leverage with borderline FAs like Haley and Konopka.

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by Dominik on May 31, 2011 12:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Did you see this Tim Erixson kid from Calgary?

http://www.matchsticksandgasoline.com/2011/5/30/2197907/counting-down-the-hours-tim-erixon-and-the-best-if-signed-by-date

You wonder if he goes back into the draft if you pick him up since he is NHL ready and allegedly, pretty damn good. Also, born in NY.

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by Keith Quinn on May 31, 2011 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

in re: Bailey

I’m not surprised that he now regrets missing his last year of juniors… if I was 21, and had just suffered through three really rough years learning the pro game while trying to make an NHL team, I’d probably look back and regret not having had that one extra year to enjoy being a teenager in the juniors, the top dog on a team full of my buddies, secure in the knowledge that I had been drafted and was going to a team that was going to give me lots and lots of ice time when I got there. It’s only natural.

It’s very likely that the team already realizes this, which is why Nino went back to Portland.

This is, by the way, not an indication that Bailey is ruined or that he won’t have many productive years in the future. I think he is a great kid and has a lot of character, and he’s working on his game. I’m confident that the work will pay off for him.

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by mikb on May 31, 2011 1:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Totally agree...

… it was a poor decision by Snordon. In their defense, at the time he may have been the most talented center available to them. The organization is STILL devoid of NHL ready centers and I think the team was going with Weight and Comrie as 1/2 that year. Nielsen wasn’t a sure thing, then lost a few months to boot and there wasn’t much after that (Thompson, Hilbert, Park, Walter, Colliton).
I don’t think Gordon helped much… but the rest of that staff (Nolan’s staff) proved to work well with young players. Lacroix helped Moncton to the Memorial Cup playoffs, was successful in Hamilton and stuck with Boucher in Tampa. Gallant just won the memorial cup.
I think Bailey is going to have a solid career, and hopefully he’ll have it with the Isles. There are two years (one in juniors, and one in the AHL) that were somewhat “lost” trying to do trig when he could have been mastering geometry.
Again… in their defense… three NHL years means that he KNOWS he can play in the NHL… and he should know this year what to expect in every NHL city and how to play every vet in his division.
Hopefully he comes out of the box hot again… and keeps it going all year.

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by JPinVA on May 31, 2011 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

The injuries

Agreed, and I wonder if Bailey’s injury also played a part in this. That injury kept him out of the lineup but around the team, and he didn’t run through his nine games until November, IIRC. May have been some, “Well, he’s already here, so…” thinking.

I’m torn on the WJC part though. Very fun for the player, but if you’ve already decided to rush him into NHL training, I don’t know if a departure to that tournament really helps him understand what he’s up against in the NHL.

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by Dominik on May 31, 2011 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

WJC

Just a thought:
Tavares won the MVP of the WJC that year.
Comeau won a gold medal at the WJC
Nino made his name at the WJC
Donovan won gold last year
Hamonic/deHaan both played, though Hamonic’s experience was a lot better than calvin’s.
Ullstrom had a solid WJC.
Petrov was a key member of his team.
Kabanov got exiled from his team.
Okposo and Rakhshani played together at the WJC
DP had a great WJC.
Montoya… ALL STAR on Gold Medal US team.

There’s probably more… it doesn’t mean that Bailey will suck… it just means that he has been deprived an experience that his teammates have shared with the best in the league/world… and that sucks.

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by JPinVA on May 31, 2011 5:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

True

I do feel bad for the player from that end. Just not sure how important it is in making him Become A Man. (That said, it quite well be. I never became one even to this day.)

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by Dominik on Jun 2, 2011 5:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Bill Torrey: This is classic, I would have loved to see Al Arbour's face too!

“Another time in Vancouver we were playing the Canucks and halfway through the game, all of a sudden three girl streakers somehow got down and ran across the ice right in front of our bench.

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by Russel Ginart on May 31, 2011 11:54 AM EDT reply actions  

Hmmm...

I guess flashing the visiting team has a long and noble history in Vancouver.

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by mikb on May 31, 2011 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

i need to go to more canucks games

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by Zhora on May 31, 2011 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Live stream of Winnepeg press conference

http://www.sbnation.com/nhl/2011/5/31/2198943/atlanta-thrashers-relocation-winnipeg-press-conference-live-video

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by Keith Quinn on May 31, 2011 12:18 PM EDT reply actions  

Official Thrashers press release

http://thrashers.nhl.com/club/news.htm?id=564242

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by Keith Quinn on May 31, 2011 12:29 PM EDT reply actions  

Interesting

Cam Charron
camcharron Cam Charron
by mlse
For those keeping score at home, the NHL under Gary Bettman has seen two lockouts, five franchise relocations and seven bankruptcies.
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by Keith Quinn on May 31, 2011 12:34 PM EDT reply actions   2 recs

he had to burn down the league in order to save it

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by mikb on May 31, 2011 1:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

But... there's always a "but"...

He signs the HUGE TV contract with NBC/Comcast. It’ll be interesting to see how the league shakes out now. The ’peg getting a team out of the ATL is huge. Most likely Florida and Glendale are next on the summer snowbird migration schedule… and the Islanders getting some stability.
It might turn out that Bettman gets credit for the 30 team league, and the seeds of hockey being planted in places like Carolina and Nashville… which very well could work over the long haul. With the exception of the “instigator” and the “trapezoid” post lock-out hockey has been pretty exciting. Now we need to get rid of those two things, add no touch icing and start cutting back on goalie pads. We need more 6-4 games… before it becomes ice-soccer.

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by JPinVA on May 31, 2011 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

don't we have automatic icing in theory?

As I recall, the suggested rule change was that if there was nobody contesting the touch up, you could just blow it dead… if there was a decent chance the offense would reach the puck first, the old rule held. Maybe it wasn’t adopted, because I saw a lot of gliding back to the puck for the icing all through the playoffs.

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by mikb on May 31, 2011 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

But that defeats the purpose...

It’s the “contested” icings that cause the injuries. I like the fact that the offending team can’t change… but there should be a 3 consecutive icing minor penalty(delay of the game)…. If they want to be “contested” then it should be whoever crosses the blue line first.
I’d also like to see FULL Minor penalties (2 minutes… no matter how many you score) and PK Icing. Meaning that there is still icing when you’re on the PK, but the line is your defensive blue line, not the red line. It would put a little more pressure on PKers to carry the puck out of thier zone, then dump for the change. More PP goals = more goals!

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by JPinVA on May 31, 2011 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

I wouldn't mind

…. a minor penalty for two consecutive icings (without having possession on the other half of the ice). It is too easy to just ice the puck a 2nd/3rd time and get a breather…. Or give a minor penalty every 10 times a team ices the puck during a game. (or 8, or 5.) That would probably do even better to cut down on icings. (It would be annoying to get an accumulative minor in the last 2 minutes of the game, but your team can look back to the other icing mistakes.)

by North Dakota Red Eagle on May 31, 2011 3:47 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Sadly, Bettman's tenure has been par for the NHL course

The ‘70s and ’80s had relocation/instability galore, teams going bankrupt (bankrupt Blues in 1983 DIDN’T EVEN DRAFT), and the on-going cabal with Eagleson.

(I always feel like I come off defending Bettman, but really I just think he’s just a symptom of the clown owners who have always run the NHL.)

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by Dominik on May 31, 2011 4:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Regarding JT

He should be in the top 10 for points among centers next season. After Crosby, Malkin, Sedin, and Stamkos, it drops off quite a bit, IMO. Assuming a healthy Streit, JT will have more space/time on the PP. (Will be interesting to see who the other 3 will be. Have to believe Moulson and either Hamonic (righty) or AMac will be regulars.) If Isles can get three lines pumping in goals, JT will have more space 5-on-5. I like JT’s chance of 40 goals this season.

by North Dakota Red Eagle on May 31, 2011 1:14 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

JT

animal with the puck, always cannot wait for the start of training camp and the season to begin. A ways off, but seems like a very very exciting summer. Something is coming up almost everyday and there is always news, thus far good, in Islander Country.

by ghalbart on May 31, 2011 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

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