Islander Bits: Recalling Doug Weight, and his rookie card
Periodically throughout his 19-year career (19 years! Where'd the time go?), I would think of the moment I first became aware of Doug Weight: It was in a trading card shop, back in the days when collecting hockey cards was still fun, when there was an explosion of brands beyond Topps/OPC and it hadn't yet become the blatant "investment" it was about to become. This was pre-WWW, when your information about NHL players came from the local paper, game night programs, The Hockey News and Hockey Digest -- and Stan Fischler's byline seemed to appear in all four.
The trading card pricing publication Beckett had caught wind of hockey, and I remember thumbing through it at a shop to see what cards from that year were "hot." Usually that meant instead of a "commons" card being worth 29 cents, it was worth over a dollar or so. There were certain "commons" cards that were worth more than your average Berube -- not 29 cents and not two dollars, but maybe 80 or even 90 cents. (My memory could be botching the values here, but you get the idea.)
Anyway, there were two upcoming Rangers rookies I'd never heard of, Tony Amonte and Doug Weight, whose cards were valued at about 90 cents instead of your common 29. I scoffed at the sight of their unhockey-like names and their supposed value. "Sure, overhyped Rangers. Whatever," I remember thinking.
Little did I know I was dismissing the (hilarious) rookie cards (more hilarity here) of two American players who would collect 1,933 NHL points between them.
Back then trading cards were actually great sources for information to supplement the publications mentioned above -- before their soul was pillaged as a business investment. It was when packs still came with chewing gum, you could still buy a pack for 50 cents, and the all-gloss, all-the-time fad hadn't yet hit the hobby.
Nowadays I can Google Weight's stats in a millisecond. I can find out the top 200 17-year-olds on their way to the NHL in a minute, so that no Weight or Amonte can take me by surprise. Not to go Garrison Keiller on you, but it was a simpler time in that regard. In that way, I miss it -- but it's more than compensated by the literally thousands of Islanders fans I can interact with in a blink of an eye.
Sorry. That's a meandering tangent. But Weight's career spanned two-thirds of my hockey-conscious life, so that and the Black Bush Chivas has me reflecting on those days when Weight had a fine mullet and no permanent 5 o'clock shadow.
Islanders Links: Doug Weight Lovefest
Doug Weight is that type I suspect you'd want to run through a wall for:
Since I was two-years-old, all I wanted to do was skate and to this day, my love for the game burns just as much inside of me. I’ll miss my teammates a lot. I’ll miss the locker room, the excitement of setting up a teammate for a big goal, the competitiveness of a faceoff, pregame butterflies, a playoff road win, looking around a tense room prior to a game seven and seeing the focus, commitment and sacrifice in a teammate’s eyes and knowing that we could not and would not let each other down. All of that, I will miss dearly.
That's hockey, baby.
I'd venture Weight borders on that Hall of Fame category, and if it ever comes to that he might gain by having advocates in multiple cities. Here are some of the perspectives on his retirement:
- Local angle: Post (Cyrgalis) | Times (Klein) | Newsday | Eyes on Isles blog
- Islanders Official site (which went hog-wild on Weight puns): The fans who won the drawing to be there for the announcement | Some of the one-liners from the day | Official rendition of things | His teammates reflect on his influence | Weight's wife Allison rocks, too. | Tons more videos from teammates and Bill Guerin and Weight's father and such
- Team USA Generation angle: Puck Daddy (Leahy) | nhl.com (Brian Compton) | USA Today (Allen) | Slideshow at USA Today
- Edmonton: They got to see his best hockey there | He may have been the finest post-dynasty (dynasty interruptus, that is) Oiler | Only five Oilers had more points with the club (all '80s guys) | Tribute via video clips
- St. Louis: As I've said, Weight was nothing but a fondly remembered fantastic ambassador there. Some guys have departed the Blues and I curse it forever (Scott Stevens). And some guys end up with the Isles, and it's golden. (Mike Sillinger was another. The other direction had Pierre Turgeon, mostly.)
- Carolina: I'm sure it will shock you to hear they loved him in his short time there, too.
Weight, on the dynamic of having a hand in management and behind the bench:
"Just the five games last season I stood on the bench helped me immensely," Weight said. "It’s going to be an easy transition for me. I’ll be at every game and will feed off their energy. I am not worried about the dynamic at all. To assist Garth and learn from Garth, his focus and drive and work ethic is incredible."
From Elliotte Friedman at CBC:
4) Lasting image of Doug Weight, who will retire Thursday: when Ryan Smyth was traded to the Islanders, his first game was against Weight's Blues. Weight waited for his former Edmonton teammate after that game, grabbing him in the hallway. You could tell Smyth was still in shock. Weight spent 20 minutes saying everything would be ok.
I remember that game so well, for multiple reasons. Alright, where's my tissue...
Weight Retrospective Video (Reposted from Yesterday)
Areener Stuff and Other Stuff
- Save the Isles with thoughts on the rally and a reminder about the vote Tuesday.
- SNY Point Blank: Democrat Wayne Wink, with wa twon of twalk on twings.
- The Hockey Writers on why Okposo's contract is another good sign.
- Would you believe, Buffalo's areener is already getting renovations?
- These are the new RFA compensation levels, which could mean an offer sheet or two is possible this summer.
- Interesting scout's take on a number of 2011 prospects, including Dougie Hamilton (pro) and Ryan Nugent-Hopkins (con).
Hockey Tonight
Memorial Cup: Owen Sound, which knocked off Mississauga and Casey Cizikas for the OHL title, fell last night to Kootenay, who knocked off Portland and Nino Niederreiter for the WHL title. So Kootenay face Mississauga tonight for a berth in the final.
Oh, and Game 7 tonight for Dwayne Roloson and the gang. Enjoy...
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I am pretty sure
I still have a closet full of hockey cards. Hockey is my favorite sport so I only collected and digested hockey cards. Its true when I was a kid, hockey cards were my only real source of knowing other players in the league and how they did in their past carriers. Internet what, let me use that rotary phone to call my buddy and let him know what cards I had that he did not.
My favorite was how I'd go a whole year mispronouncing a player's name
Until I actually heard it over the air.
Not proud of my first pronunciations of “Lemieux,” “Olczyk” or “Hajt.”
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Hockey Digest!!! Good times. Whatever happened to them?
by Torch7 on May 27, 2011 7:48 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
I loooooved that too!
"If the bell needs to be answered, we've got the guys to answer it." "If they want to start something, that's fine."- Trevor Gillies
Nice video tribute to Weight.
almost made me shed a tear..
UD
Upper Deck had some weird concept of having players at the beach. I think Pavel Bure has a card of him in spandex at the beach playing roller hockey. I really miss the old cards, I buy my nephew cards now and it’s like $3 for a pack of 10 cards, it’s ridiculous.
But but but
Nowadays you might get a 1 mm x 1mm piece of a real jersey in one of those 10 cards!
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brag
I correctly named all the Sutters in that card – even the twins. So there.
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They are pretty identifiable
Even Ron and Rich had…differences.
Of course I rooted for 5 of the 6 at one time or another, so I might be more attuned to the varieties of Sutter Face.
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lol
It’s funny how much Brent and Darryl still look like they did in that photo.
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He He
What’s the typical recovery time for Sutter Face, 4 – 6 weeks?
Trying to figure out which one didn't play for the Isles or Blues
Ron?
NOWHERE Nearly enough defensemen to last through the injury bug
Darryl
He was a Hawk start to finish.
The Blues acquired Ron for … {gets out knife, sharpens it, looks in the mirror} … Rod Brind’Amour.
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the back of Doug Weight's rookie card
A second-rounder?? Only 5’ 11", 185? Pure junk! How’d he get so far in the league?? (/sarc)
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by mikb on May 27, 2011 11:03 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
There was another 2nd rounder
in that draft that played over 1000 games.
And of course the Flyers took Chris Simon in that draft.
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Hockey and baseball cards were my life growing up
My brother and I collected a shit ton of cards. I seriously thought that if I saved them for twenty years or so, I’d have my retirement savings right there. Something tells me that so far, my cards haven’t really appreciated in value. It’s a shame what happened to cards. What used to be a pack for 75 cents for a pack of 16 – 20 would go up to $3 for a pack of 8 cards that are shinier, shittier, and featured less stats. It just took the fun out of it.
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Same here
Absolutely how it went for me. I remember when hockey cards went glitzy and would only have one year of stats on the back. I was like, “Wait…you’re charging me more, for less info, all because it’s smooth and glossy?” Changed the budget, changed how attainable a complete set was — really sucked the fun out of it for me.
For those into this sort of thing, I do have some random summer posts under Awful Hockey Card Art. I need to get that going again once the Islanders stop having two announcements per day.
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O-Pee-Chee
WOW that brings back a flood of memories.
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by Fabtraption on May 27, 2011 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions
collector card company or breakfast cereal?
Seriously, O-Pee-Chee just sounds like an off-brand of SOMETHING. Could be hockey cards; could be orange soda. Who knows?
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Absolutely
Like Malt-O-Meal or something.
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I have a lot from '90-'95....
… but so does everyone else. Somewhere between ‘88 and ’90, the companies grossly overproduced, and I stopped collecting when the cards became all super- glossy and complicated. The only cards I have that might be worth something in the future are the ones in unopened boxes. But that assumes that either (a) one card of high value is possibly in there or (b) the number of unopened boxes is so low that it becomes a collectible despite the piss-poor value of all of the cards within….. My favorite set to collect was ’90-’91 Upper Deck (low and high “numbers”). I may have liked the smell of the cards more than anything. If I remember correctly, there was a high-value Pavel Bure in the high numbers. When I opened a pack and found it, I think my head exploded…. Parkhurst was fun too, when they put one “green logo” card into each pack…. I do wish I never collected Score. I believe they were the leader of over-producing. There was a reason you could buy a box for about $10.
by North Dakota Red Eagle on May 27, 2011 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions
UD smelled awesome
And really, that was a decent balance of good photos, good back content, without being too flashy.
SCORE did a nice job a couple years there too for content, although yes they overproduced like crazy. (Though adding purple borders was just…well it was a bit Fresh Prince of Bel-Air era for me.)
The silliest was the OPC Premier, when a company that was a standard bearer producing at least 10 cards per team went all penthouse on us with 3-4 super glossy cards per team. I have that set and kick myself for falling for it.
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Why, I'm So Old They Didn't Have Hockey Cards for Stats When I was a Kid
The player used to have to come to your house and tell you what he did.
(Just kidding. I only feel that old. That happens when you have jerseys older than you’re team’s 1st line center.)
by rmblifn on May 27, 2011 12:26 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
I know some are gonna ...
interpret this in a way it isn’t intended, but I don’t care, I need to put this out there for me.
Doug Weight was a good player in this league for a long time. He always played hard, was a strong leader and valuable example to younger guys wherever he played, and was definitely a valuable asset to have for most of his long career. That said, he never reached 30 goals in a season, was never a GREAT player, and as I recall, was well past his prime and not a major factor in his cup year with the Hurricanes. He was with the Islanders for only 3 YEARS, during which he missed more games than he played, and was not a significant factor in terms of numbers or wins. The guy is a true pro and may very well offer a lot to this team as a coach or in whatever role they give him as the team continues to jell, and I hope that happens. All of that said, I just don’t get all this deification of the man as if he’s been a career or even long time Islander great, like the guys who wore those #’s that hang up in the rafters. I wish guys who gave their heart and soul to this team for 10 years or more, like Rich Pilon for example, had also got this kind recognition, and I hope that if it is over with this team for Martinek and for Hunter, who put in many more years here than Weight and have given everything they had for this team through some pretty horrendous times and did it like ultimate professionals year after year, also get the appeciation they deserve.
I agree to some extent
It always seems strange to me how it matters more where a player ends his career when it comes to these things, not so much where he SPENT it.
One odd example: even Kaspar played more season (and more games) with the Islanders than Weight, and likely brought more happiness/excitement to the organization (at least excitement!).
But I do like Doug Weight.
by North Dakota Red Eagle on May 27, 2011 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions
In Defense
I think it’s cause during a period in which FAs are snubbing their noses at the Islanders, Weight has come here, absolutely loved it here, he took Tavares under his wing and was all around a good guy.
I don’t think an Islanders captain has retired while still Captain of the Islanders in a long time.
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That's all true,
but I just think it’s a little much in terms of overall and long term contribution to the team ON THE ICE. i just don’t want guys like the ones i mentioned to go without their due. Pilon already has, and that bothers me.
I think this an example of changing that
Under He Whom We Wish We Could Forget (and it usually comes back to HWx4CF), the team made a conscious decision to distance itself from its history, under the theory that it was keeping the newer players from making their own history. With bringing back Al Arbour (derided as a stunt), having the Original Core back for a night, and a hundred other small things, the Islanders are no longer doing this. Being good to Doug Weight is an example of this – they’re giving a class act a class sendoff. That speaks well for the organization, to say nothing of recognizing what he still has to offer and giving him a job.
Weight himself said how much he regretted “leaving 150 games on the table” through injuries, games where he would have loved to make a concrete contribution on the ice.
Agreed about Pilon, though. That was a shame. Par for the course in the mid-90’s for the club.
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Well somebody's gotta do it
And that is always the team you are currently with. I agree his production wasn’t much while here…it wasn’t much before here either. But the islanders weren’t expecting 25/60/85 out of him…just like they weren’t expecting 40g out of guerin. They were expecting a leader and a guy that could speak to the organizations credibility in trying times. They got that in spades.
It’s not like they gave him a car and a rolex, he got a framed jersey and a produced video. I dont think it’s over the top.
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by Keith Quinn on May 27, 2011 3:40 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I dont think it’s over the top.
Well, maybe the Hootie was over the top.
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by Dominik on May 27, 2011 5:31 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
In my mind
Kasparaitis>Rucker in the Darius rankings! Maybe it’s a theme. I can’t wait till the team retires Hootie’s #11.
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by Keith Quinn on May 28, 2011 2:23 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
That's fair
One reason, I’m sure, is that he already ingrained himself within the organization — off-ice relationship with current players who are key to the future and universally respect him, as well as with the team management. If his current teammates think it’s a big deal, that makes it more of a big deal, I think.
Another reason though is where they retire: Pilon didn’t retire with the Islanders, and while a dedicated sonofa, he was not a “great” player — so there isn’t going to be continentwide interest in his retirement. Weight, on the other hand, is one of the league’s still-rare 1000-point guys (there have still been fewer than 100 such players), and had a significant role in four cities (including Raleigh, where they valued his contributions that year quite a bit) as well as two bit Team USA moments, so you’re going to have media from all of those cities and national media interested, and thus it’s going to be a bigger production.
I’d disagree that he was never a great player though. I don’t know how much of his Edmonton years you saw, but he led a team that was out-payrolled by opponents by practically a factor of two. Just because he was pass-first (Adam Oates only reached 30 goals twice, in two really high-scoring seasons for the league) doesn’t take away from that.
I do see what you’re saying though and glad you got it off your chest. When I do round-ups like this, I do want people to express dissent or reality-check views so that my bias doesn’t totally shape conversation.
Part of how this goes, I think, is almost a league-wide understanding that when a longtime league star retires, the “host” team puts on a bit of a show about it.
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remember
He is (for now) officially 200th in the list of the league’s all-time goal scorers. It’s HARD to be the top-200 of anything that lasts as long as the NHL.
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I'm not minimizing ...
Weight’s significance – though like I said, I think the accolades have been a bit much in the context of his time here – as much as I’m voicing my hopes that Martinek and Hunter also get a ton of admiration and recognition for their time as Islanders.
by dose on May 27, 2011 5:41 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
And I'd agree that Pilon ...
wasn’t a GREAT player – I don’t think there have been more than few of those in the last 10 years – but to me he was a great Islander.
I’m voicing my hopes that Martinek and Hunter also get a ton of admiration and recognition for their time as Islanders
Nicccce- and I agree.
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by TheMetalChick on May 27, 2011 6:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Quispy Cream...
That’s quite a collection of pix… I can’t believe that Milbury traded the Karate Kid for “E”. Maybe one of his better deals…
You have to love the Islander connections on Entourage.
Kevin Connolly… E, Islander fan
Ralph Macchio… Playboy mansion monkey molestor, Islander fan
Jamie Lynn Sigler… Turtle sex kitten, Islander fan
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I love that the Penguins fan
Is Mr Rogers.
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as I recall
Mr. Rogers’ Neighborhood was filmed by the PBS affiliate in Pittsburgh.
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- would've been even MORE of a head trip had Fred.....
…..somehow incorporated the Iron City into his backdrop; “yes, we have Mean Joe Greene
visiting the Neighborhood today! Can you say, ‘Steel Curtain’? I KNEW you could:)”
Eff Mr. Rogers!
I’m assuming the land of make believe then had something to do with phantom calls and the origins of Errey and Steggy. Take the trolley to hell Mr. Rogers! Try envisioning Gillies pulling the cardigan over Fred’s head…bwahahaha! Oh dear!
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by Keith Quinn on May 27, 2011 4:45 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Sorry
I’m still in Vegas drinking and waiting for my plane and that was just and awesome visual!
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by Keith Quinn on May 27, 2011 4:46 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
careful there
You don’t want to mess with Fred **&$#&! Rogers.
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Excellent!
Drinking and posting…sometimes it backfires, sometimes it leads to amusing things.
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Still have a bunch of cards.....
…..mucho Ziggy, Bert, Berard, Caber, Fichaud, Connolly, Luongo and, oh yes, DiP rookies and insert cards, as well as almost all the Topps/OPC Islanders sets (missing ’73-74 and ’74-75, stopped with 1990 but acquired the mid-Nineties to mid-Oughts too) but the ’72-73 full set I owned, and ended up scattered across the attic floor where I lived, in Springfield, is now worth hundreds of drachmas – and I kick myself for not being more conscientious with it!
Yeah, so do I
I still have not scanned any of them. I promised to send some to Dom, BUT alas, I have become incompetent now that the warm weather has arrived.
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by Russel Ginart on May 27, 2011 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Pro Set
Does anybody remember these cards? I bought a box of them for like $10 sometime in the late 90s/early 00’s. They were pretty shitty, but still.

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cool pads, Daren
He bought them with his extra R.
When he first started playing hockey his name was spelled “DARRERN PRUPRPARR.”
Doug Weight was in the league only 46 yeras then.
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And they had COACH cards!
Those were fun.

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by Dominik on May 27, 2011 5:35 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Pro Set
I’m pretty sure Pro Set was the most overproduced cards for a few years. I have like 3 sets of that year, and the year after about 4-5 sets. If I remember they were the cheapest cards to buy. I think a whole set is worth about $1.
I think they had referee cards too.
Referee cards!
That’s right, they did! Oh man, funny days.
And yes they were massively overproduced. If I recall they were the same price per pack as Topps/OPC/Bowman (maybe even Score?), but they weren’t worth a lot on the hobby market.
Still, I respected that they actually made cards for full squads…and coaches…and refs…and trainers (not really).
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