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Islanders Hockey What If? Sedin Island

As it got closer to the 1999 draft, there were two teams looking to make a big splash to turn around bad seasons. The Islanders had stockpiled picks via a firesale, and had the 5th, 8th and 10th pick along with the 28th overall pick. These picks were going to be the cornerstone of a new Islanders dynasty.

Meanwhile the Vancouver Canucks had been freed from the reign of horror initiated by Mike Keenan and Mark Messier. Brian Burke had taken over and was looking to make a big splash in his first draft. His target? Daniel Sedin and Henrik Sedin, highly talented twins from Sweden. Unfortunately, they were reportedly unwilling to play apart, with rumors swirling about how they might work the system so they might both become UFAs. Another problem was that while Daniel was ranked among the top thre prospects, Henrik was ranked at the bottom of the top 10.

It was an amazing amount of maneuvers which eventually got Burke the 2nd and 3rd overall picks in order to take the Sedins. A decade later it was easily the best move of a draft which is considered one of the worst in recent history. The Canucks have become one of the elite teams in the league, winning the President's Trophy this year on the back of award-winning seasons by the Sedins. Meanwhile, those four Islander draftees? They became Tim Connolly (163 games played for Isles)  Taylor Pyatt (78 games played for Isles) Branislav Mezei (66 games played for Isles) Kristian Kudroc (26 total NHL games).

But looking back at the draft movement, it isn't hard to imagine that the Isles might have found themselves in a position to draft the Sedins...

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To begin with, the Canucks lost their last game of the season to the Flames 5-4, while the Islanders routed the Penguins 7-2 to finish their season. This bounced the Islanders up to the 4th overall pick and the Canucks into the 3rd slot. 70 point Chicago (the Isles had 58 points) moved up via the Draft Lottery and bounced the Islanders from 4th to 5th. Burke then traded Bryan McCabe and the Canucks 1st round pick in 2000 for the 4th overall pick from Chicago. Burke then flipped the 4th overall pick (and some later picks) to Tampa Bay for the first overall pick. Finally he flipped the first overall pick (and some later picks) to Atlanta for the second overall pick and an agreement the Thrashers wouldn't take a Sedin. The rest is history.

 

The top 4 picks in the 1999 draft were traded 10 times between 4 teams, the first overall pick traded 3 times. At the time some argued this was one of the deeper drafts in recent history. But it isn't hard to imagine that with 3 picks in the top 10, another first rounder and another 10 picks outside the first round, that with a little more luck and smart moves the Islanders could have drafted the Sedins instead.

The Islanders had two 3rd rounders, two 4th rounders and two 5th Rounders. A loss on the final day of the season, and not being completely screwed by the draft lottery, would have left the Islanders with the 3rd overall pick. Then it would have been a matter of getting the 1st overall from Tampa, who seemingly knew something was wrong with that draft as they traded out of the first round altogether.

While it took the Sedins a few years to get going, since the lockout they have each been over 70 points every season. During the same time frame the Islanders have only had 4 players score over 60 points, and no one has gotten 70 points. The only time the Isles had 2 players over 60 points in one season during that time was in 05-06 with Miroslav Satan and Alexei Yashin.

While the Sedins haven't always been the driving force behind the Canucks, in the last decade they have only missed the playoffs twice. It isn't hard to imagine that the addition of the Sedins to the Islanders might have at least made them a much more competitive team in the long run. Tim Conolly managed 70 points in his first two seasons with the Islanders, comparable to the early career of the Sedins. 

Of course the one problem with this is that it imagines Mike Milbury having patience and allowing them to develop. That was not a strong suit when it came to Mad Mike, and it's probable that if he had swung the deals to get the twins he would have given up on them, too. Except instead of trading Connolly and Pyatt for Peca, it would have been both Sedins for Peca and change. While Connolly and Pyatt became NHL regulars, their struggles and the Islanders making the playoffs with Peca make up for that trade.

The kicker in all this? The Sedins regular linemate, Alexandre Burrows, was once in the Islanders system. He was at the Islanders training camp in 2002 as a free agent from the QMJHL. He was then sent to Bridgeport and played in a few exhibition games there before the ECHL tryout guys showed up. Steve Stirling liked him and tried to keep him around, but couldn't.

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What could have been. lol

But what really surprised me was that they only resigned for $6.1mil/yr each on 5yr deals where when they “both” came off 80pt seasons. Wtf? They could have made noticably more in the free agent market imo(or pushed the nucks to a higher bid easily), but they stupidly(whatever) were locked up ahead of time before they could actually see what other offers they could have had on the table. Whatever.

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by OzzyFan on May 22, 2011 4:08 PM EDT reply actions  

They weren't going to split

And I don’t think someone was going to sign with a different team and not have the other come along. This helped them stay together, and was cheap enough to give the Canucks cap room.

"Milbury said he was at the Winter Classic and he was getting heckled by an Islanders fan. He couldn’t understand why an Islanders fan would show up in an Islanders jersey at a non-Islanders game just to heckle him." My New Hero
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by Mark D on May 22, 2011 4:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm just saying 80pt players(1 that is an above average 2-way player) don't make $6mil/yr around their prime.

That’s a huge discount. I bet if they waited it out, somebody would have guaranteed them both $7mil/yr+. And look what they can do for their linemate, they helped a depth scratch player(tambellini) score 9goals in 18gms.

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by OzzyFan on May 22, 2011 7:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Burrows and Kesler were promoting pay cuts (discounts) in 2009.

Glenn Healy, NHLPA Director of Player Affairs, didn’t like the idea

by noomz on May 22, 2011 10:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, taking pay cuts also helps. But I'm not sure that's why the sedins took that money, but who knows.

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by OzzyFan on May 23, 2011 12:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

They are a complex case, since they insist on being together

It’s possible they also realize that teammates (Kesler, now Malhotra too) do the heavy lifting that allows them to rack up more points.

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by Dominik on May 23, 2011 12:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

They also really liked Van

And wanted to stay there. I don’t think they even wanted 6M, as they immediately turned around and donated 1.5M of that to the Sick Kids Hospital – saying they just wanted to be offered an amount that said “we care about having you on our team”. They’re honestly great guys

"Playin hurt, baby that don't faze me. I don't got time for pain. The only pain I've got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is!"

"You can't come in my kitchen, kick my dog, and take a box full of ballpoints! Your ass must be crazy!"

by Semi_Colon on May 23, 2011 9:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

That’s pretty cool.

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by Dominik on May 25, 2011 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’ve often wondered why more athletes who claim to be (or actually are) all about winning a championship dont do this more.
The difference between $6M and 7.5M or 8M is pretty big when we as civilians look at it, but i think i could easily get by on 6M for a few years. Why not give your team the chance to sign an extra player or two that can help the team win? Look at Kovalchuk – the Devs are screwed now for a decade because 25% of the payroll goes to one person.

also, maybe they liked what Vancouver was doing to build a team, and decided they would rather stay there and see it through. It’s like when legacy guys (think Yzerman, Bourque, etc) decide to forgo the extra money because they want to stay where they are.

by nullzero00 on May 23, 2011 9:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

Spilled Milk

Coulda woulda shoulda … I don’t think Milbury had the chops to swing a deal like that. Getting knocked out of the #4 by Chicago isn’t as bad as getting knocked back by the Devils… but it still hurt.

There were many things that setup the Isles for failure the decade since that draft … Not getting Sedin Twins wasn’t the prime issue. They probably would of been gone anyway.

by 19 Isle in NJ 22 on May 22, 2011 5:42 PM EDT reply actions  

agreed

Just having some speculative fun

"Milbury said he was at the Winter Classic and he was getting heckled by an Islanders fan. He couldn’t understand why an Islanders fan would show up in an Islanders jersey at a non-Islanders game just to heckle him." My New Hero
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by Mark D on May 22, 2011 6:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's interesting to think about

Even for Burke, it was impressive. He likes to make a splash, but for him to bet so high on Euros especially back then was a little surprising.

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by Dominik on May 22, 2011 8:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

I Would've Settled for Being Able to Draft Luongo

Wait a minute. We did &^#!& draft Luongo. You suck Milbury!

by rmblifn on May 22, 2011 6:34 PM EDT reply actions  

lol

"Milbury said he was at the Winter Classic and he was getting heckled by an Islanders fan. He couldn’t understand why an Islanders fan would show up in an Islanders jersey at a non-Islanders game just to heckle him." My New Hero
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by Mark D on May 22, 2011 6:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hahaha

Groovy.

(TMC’s minimalist comment was turned green before there were any replies to it, btw. Just wanted to get that on record.)

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by Dominik on May 22, 2011 8:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

LMAO- I think of that bit of film every single time I see the two of them on the bench.

Let Us Go, Islanders! (Ever notice how strange that sounds without the contraction?)

by TheMetalChick on May 22, 2011 11:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

WWMD?

For me the most fun part of this exercise is not imagining how Milbury might have pulled this off — not that he would have; it would’ve been betting too high on Euros, I bet — but imagining when he would’ve given up on them and shipped them off for a Pinto.

The Sedins didn’t hit 40 points (and then only barely) until their fourth season. Granted, they were only age 23 at that point, but that’s far from too early for HWSNBN to give up on kids.

Lighthouse Hockey: A flute with no holes is not a flute. A doughnut with no hole is Frans Nielsen.

by Dominik on May 22, 2011 8:52 PM EDT reply actions  

My thoughts exactly

I remember when they came into the league they were 3rd liners. On the Islanders they would have been 1st liners from day one, and once they struggled the end would have been swift.

"Milbury said he was at the Winter Classic and he was getting heckled by an Islanders fan. He couldn’t understand why an Islanders fan would show up in an Islanders jersey at a non-Islanders game just to heckle him." My New Hero
Contributor to Lighthouse Hockey not sure if I'm the Sniper or the Enforcer.

by Mark D on May 22, 2011 9:51 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

So True...

And if they DIDNT struggle, would the Isles have paid them the money required to make them both stay?

Let Us Go, Islanders! (Ever notice how strange that sounds without the contraction?)

by TheMetalChick on May 22, 2011 11:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, when you got to that part I started chuckling. Like, “Oh, that’s right, even if Milbury pulled this off he’d have crapped on it.”

Lighthouse Hockey: A flute with no holes is not a flute. A doughnut with no hole is Frans Nielsen.

by Dominik on May 23, 2011 12:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

New Here

I am fairly new here. Is this a regular column: “Islanders Hockey What If”?

by North Dakota Red Eagle on May 22, 2011 10:05 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

Welcome!

Thanks for joining.

What If is regular in the sense that it is repeating, but its frequency is as subject to editorial whim as any other LHH topic. We don’t do them as much as we should. (WebBard is better at coming up with them than I am.) If you have any suggested subjects for it, requests (or Fanposts tackling them) are definitely welcome.

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by Dominik on May 23, 2011 12:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

I was originally going to make it a regular column, and then I realized how tough it would be to come up with a new one every week. I was going to try doing it once a month, but then I started doing the Prospect reports and this went by the wayside.

I’m trying to bring it back, and I do have at least 1 more in mind.

"Milbury said he was at the Winter Classic and he was getting heckled by an Islanders fan. He couldn’t understand why an Islanders fan would show up in an Islanders jersey at a non-Islanders game just to heckle him." My New Hero
Contributor to Lighthouse Hockey not sure if I'm the Sniper or the Enforcer.

by Mark D on May 23, 2011 3:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

Here's a better scenario

we didn’t get that meaningless win years ago at the end of 1990, letting us get the pick ahead of Pittsburgh. We take Jagr instead of Scott Scissions.

by nullzero00 on May 23, 2011 10:01 AM EDT reply actions  

Rule of Scissons

noun. The phenomenon where, as an online discussion of Islanders drafts grows, the probability of a mention of Scott Scissons approaches 1 (100%), resulting in a bunch of sad pandas. Known in some regions as Scissons’s Panda.

See also: Czyzowski’s Law

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by Dominik on May 23, 2011 12:28 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Straka

Yeah, could have had Jagr and Straka on the wings.

by North Dakota Red Eagle on May 23, 2011 9:28 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Thanks for re-opening those old wounds for us….with a chainsaw. (Expletitive) YOU.

by ChryWheatGod on May 23, 2011 1:52 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

lmao

"Milbury said he was at the Winter Classic and he was getting heckled by an Islanders fan. He couldn’t understand why an Islanders fan would show up in an Islanders jersey at a non-Islanders game just to heckle him." My New Hero
Contributor to Lighthouse Hockey not sure if I'm the Sniper or the Enforcer.

by Mark D on May 23, 2011 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Interesting concept...

I guess my biggest question would be, “How would they have looked in Florida with Luongo”… Once Milbury fell in love with Ricky’s mom(this is a “speculaton” piece, right?) this franchise was DOOMED. Nothing else matters.

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by JPinVA on May 23, 2011 2:08 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

That's even more painful

Imagine if he had traded them with Luongo for Kvasha/Parrish. Wow.

"Milbury said he was at the Winter Classic and he was getting heckled by an Islanders fan. He couldn’t understand why an Islanders fan would show up in an Islanders jersey at a non-Islanders game just to heckle him." My New Hero
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by Mark D on May 23, 2011 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

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