Isles Bits: Coliseum Vote Talk, Love for Wang, Decision for Gregoire
For NHL observers, it's tough to separate the current trio of non-playoff stories that are: Glendale ponying up another $25 million just to cover Phoenix Coyotes losses (and hope to keep the team), Atlanta Spirit Group doing what it can to shed its sports arena properties ASAP, and Nassau County asking for a referendum to support what was once a privately financed (if much bigger) arena redevelopment project.
Ironically, the guy who looks good in all of this? Charles Wang. Daniel Friedman goes into this contrast among the three teams (and owners) at THW, where Wang looks like a knight. In our strange tale, Nassau Republicans (well, Ed Mangano and Kate Murray) now paint Wang as welcome partner in all this. And Democrats who have reservations about the referendum are nonetheless grateful for Wang's efforts to keep the team around.
One of those Democrats, County minority leader (and Lighthouse Project supporter) Diane Yatauro, spoke with Chris Botta at length about the issue in a good listen at SNY Point Blank. A little more on that, plus hockey links, after the jump.
Some of the salient points of that Yatauro interview are outlined in this FanPost by DP. For Yatauro's part, she said County legislature Democrats had several questions for Mangano, including the proposed contract with the Isles, how MSG fits in...
"...lot of questions -- we've been asked to be patient until they're in a position to answer them for us.
[...]
"Now that this is some sort of happy medium [between the Lighthouse Project and doing nothing], we just want to make sure the County is protected -- without this being some sort of tax."
Yatauro also clearly has issues with the Aug. 1 date, since it would be a special referendum that could cost the County extra money it can't afford to spend. (Wang has reportedly offered to pay for the election costs -- if it's a win.) She'd prefer it be added to the ballot in November.
There's plenty more in that interview, but one other interesting point was her opinion of Murray putting on a happy face with Wang at the press conference, after blocking Wang's proposal for so long: Murray was "disingenuous." Yatauro subscribes to a theory we've heard before about Town of Hempstead blocking the LHP: "it came down to the housing, which would have changed the demographics of the Town." In a word, political.
Which is why this is actually a hockey site. On to the hockey links...
I Like Hockey
- First part of an English-translated fantastic interview with Stefan Persson. Seriously, tons of good stuff in there, with more to come.
- NYIFYI was originally a proponent of signing Michael Grabner short-term. But given recent events, they see multiple motives and positive vibes from Grabner's five-year deal.
- The official site talks to Kirill Kabanov's coach in Lewiston and reports on a very happy coach who thought Kabanov was at times the "best player in the league."
- VOIF continues its 5 Reasons The Isles Make The Playoffs in 2011-12.
- Mock Draft Note: For those of you signed up or expressing interest in a LHH Mock Draft, stay tuned in the next couple days for a plan. I figure we should get that off the ground before this weekend. (Have I mentioned I'm a poor planner?)
- Casey Cizikas on the OHL final loss, and the chance at a rematch in the Memorial Cup: "We are not going to forget this." Tons more previewing this weekend's Memorial Cup here and here and here from the "underdog" Majors.
- A report says the Fighting Sioux expect Isles prospect Jason Gregoire to make a decision "soon, perhaps within the next day or two." He'd be a senior if he stays.
- Gregoire UPDATE: As Hanrahan pointed out in comments, Gregoire has elected to turn pro...but not necessarily with the Islanders. They have 30 days or thereabouts.
- The Sudbury Wolves have drafted Calvin De Haan's little brother, and by "little" they mean little amiright?
Playoffs & Such
Behind the Net with a fantastic takedown of another silly Cox column, this on NHL expansion and economics over the next 20 years.
If you missed or abandoned last night's Bruins-Lightning game, you missed one wild ride. It's probably not fair to call it a "classic" given the multitude of comical defensive errors, but it ended up being a one-goal game with a myriad turns. The goal that brought Tampa Bay back within one bounced off Tim Thomas's exposed face after his own defenseman fell on him, knocking his mask off. Just seconds before, Sean Bergenheim missed a wide open net in one of those frustrating "It's right here but I can't corral the sucker" scenarios.
And that was just one play. There was TBL scoring just 13 seconds into the game, multiple Bruins powerplay goals, more breakaways than a Grabner family reunion, and Dwayne Roloson getting chased from the game after two periods -- basically, about 20 storylines in one night.
(Oh, also? Tyler Seguin is good. Second NHL playoff game and he ties a rookie record with four points in one period. Apparently it's a rule now that every time Seguin gets a break and a juke, a Lightning defenseman must wipe out.)
SBN coverage: You can find post-mortem and more from the Bolts perspective at Raw Charge. Bruins celebration and more at Stanley Cup of Chowder.
And finally, restricted free agent Daniel Carcillo was suspended for doing Daniel Carcillo things.
Tonight, the West Coast teams go at it again at 9 p.m. EDT on Versus/CBC. We'll have more here between now and then.
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I was really impressed with Hedman and Seguin. For being a 2nd year defensemen and a first year rookie, they both played extremely well. Seguin is a beast and its amazing how stupid toronto was for giving up two first rounders for kessel.
Did anyone know this about moulson?
#Isles Matt Moulson brings his bro-in-law #Kings Jon Quick to @nhllive today 4p ET.
Heard we have pictures
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by Keith Quinn on May 18, 2011 8:35 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
Get OUT!
Lighthouse Hockey: A flute with no holes is not a flute. A doughnut with no hole is Frans Nielsen.
Moulson and Quick are related?????????????
Why am I always the last to hear about these things?
Let Us Go, Islanders! (Ever notice how strange that sounds without the contraction?)
by TheMetalChick on May 18, 2011 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Remember the Feb 19 2011 game?
the wives were shown in the Coli “luxury” box.
you can see them quickly at 1:49 after Matty Mo scores twice . Moulson’s wife was giving it to her sister after Moulson’s second goal. Coli was erupting. Next game on the 21st, Moulson had a hat trick against the Panthers.
now for the bad news: their father is/was involved with the Rangers organization…. gross!
at last year’s draft party, she was in the locker room area when Moulson, Tavares and Trevor Gillis were greeting fans on the locker room tour.
Wow
That first goal by Seguin last night. Looked like JT’s at the Worlds. Except Seguin made two NHL defensemen look like they were standing still.
Thomas gets Niemi'ed
Game seven of DET vs. SJ, near the end of the third period, Datsyuk snaps a wrist shot from the outer ring of the right face off circle (Niemi’s left). Niemi comes out to what appears to be an attempt to cut down the angle, he does a good job until he decides NOT to stay standing and goes to his knees. Datsyuk’s shot goes ove Niemi’s left (short side) shoulder top shelf.
Thomas does the same this last night, he comes out to cut the angle and goes down to his knees and sure enough, the shot sails over his shoulder.
OLD SCHOOL goaltending: Goalie comes out to cut the angle and stays standing, the shooter does not have any net to shoot at. If the shooter takes the shot on target, the puck hits the goalie in the chest NOT top shelf, over the shoulder.
Man I miss the days of old school goaltending: Billy Smith, Ken Dryden, Ed Giacomin, Bernie Parent.
We are all Islanders, even if we are in Jersey!
are we talking about Stamkos' goal in the third?
That was a quarter-inch under the crossbar! Perfect shot. And keeping one’s feet at all times leaves one susceptible to shots low, especially to the back post; it’s also easy to come out too far and get walked around. I don’t think goalies should stay in a permanent butterfly, but there’s a reason why the stand-up goalie has pretty much gone extinct on the NHL level.
On a related note, if Boston thinks that they can play such piss-ass defense and win a Stanley Cup, they are deluded. Thomas was actually pretty good last night and still got lit. The Bruins need Bergeron healthy and in the lineup.
We may be in the box, but you get the penalty.
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a goal that never
should have happened… don’t know who was defending, but he had more than enough time to step up and chip the puck out of danger rather than sit back and invite #91 in for tea
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I'm not sure old-school toe saves can handle today's shots
Thomas was playing that through a screen of his own defenseman’s making…I don’t blame him for doing the percentage play and covering down low.
One reason that’s a percentage play is it’s much harder for the shooter to get off an unblocked, accurate high shot than it is to slip it down low.
Lighthouse Hockey: A flute with no holes is not a flute. A doughnut with no hole is Frans Nielsen.
My philosophy is that
if dude can make that shot, he can have it. I’m making the percentage play that stops the greatest amount of shots, especially the ones I can’t see.
There's a mountain of buoyant nostalgia under this team and it's going to erupt like Vesuvius when the Islanders are back in playoff contention.... Count on it.
by Nova Scotia Isles Fan on May 18, 2011 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes -
If you come out far enough you can cut off the angle on low shots while still standing up – but you have to come out very far to do that and you leave yourself vulnerable to any cross ice pass or shot fake-keep skating change the angle not to mention when standing there is always a five hole to shoot at unlike in the butterfly. There are some shots that the old style would stop better than the butterfly and that may have been one of them -but overall its a much less effective style. .900 used to be an excellent save %. Nowadays its near the bottom of the league. The butterfly is a big reason for that.
Town of Hempstead blocking the LHP: “it came down to the housing, which would have changed the demographics of the Town.”
I’ve seen people mention this elsewhere, but it sounds really silly to me. You can’t control who will buy a house. You can’t tell someone they can’t live somewhere because of their political party. Anyway if you do your job right, you shouldn’t have to worry about a sudden influx of people voting you out for no reason.
"Why don't we just move hockey fans from Winnipeg to Atlanta? Sounds easier"
Contributor to Lighthouse Hockey not sure if I'm the Sniper or the Enforcer.
something one of the guys said last night after our game:
“Murray blocked it because she wasn’t getting a cut.” It’s much easier to sponge off the help when it’s hired via government contract and paid for by us, the taxpayers. I hate to be cynical, but my friend has a decent point.
We may be in the box, but you get the penalty.
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Now that
makes more sense to me. What I’ve seen people mention is that Wang had the blessing of Democrats to build it because it would bring in more democratic voters.
"Why don't we just move hockey fans from Winnipeg to Atlanta? Sounds easier"
Contributor to Lighthouse Hockey not sure if I'm the Sniper or the Enforcer.
This is the America we live in.
Hunter said he was just finishing his check.
by Turgeon1992 on May 18, 2011 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions
I think the premise behind that was that the lower income housing and more youth-friendly (i.e. the kids who flee L.I. for lack of jobs / too high cost of living) housing in the LHP would tend to be more Dem. than Rep. But of course that statement was coming from a Dem who supported the LHP. (And regardless, any demographic change threatens to upset the comfy TOH power base.)
I cynically believe mikb’s friend’s theory has to be a factor: Wang, for these purposes, is an apolitical capitalist, not intending to suffer the rituals of the political machine if he can avoid it. Much harder to demand friendly contracts for buddies under the LHP scheme than under one controlled by the gov’mnt.
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The housing and potential changes in voting populations was DEFINITELY a factor.
Garden City is their bread and butter, and Uniondale can be easily marginalized. The LH would have totally messed up their happy little predicament.
Let Us Go, Islanders! (Ever notice how strange that sounds without the contraction?)
by TheMetalChick on May 18, 2011 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions
changed the demographics of the town??? REALLY!!!
Does this mean that TOH was worried that ther would be getting people of ill-repute? Did they in a way discriminate by saying, the housing will bring in low-income people, by using the “housing demographics” as reason to nix the LHP? Are they then saying "we are only looking for certain type of people, and the housing that would result from the LHP would bring the types of classes we do not want?
We are all Islanders, even if we are in Jersey!
by Russel Ginart on May 18, 2011 5:58 PM EDT up reply actions
I think thety are actually worried about getting relatively progressive/liberal people with money. Right now in the area its mainly just NIMBY Garden City republicans and poorer democrat areas.
Let Us Go, Islanders! (Ever notice how strange that sounds without the contraction?)
by TheMetalChick on May 19, 2011 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Re: Kabanaov - love the comment from coach Houle
regarding Kirill’s hands catching up to his speed. Similar comments were being made about Grabs in January, and sure enough he went on a tear.
We should continue calling him Kirill, because he slays us.
Yeah, he's going to need a few more tatoos before we call him Slayer

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by Dominik on May 18, 2011 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
DeHaan's little brother, 5'9'' 130lbs, lmao.
Proud Islanders fan, the organization that iced the greatest team to ever play the game, whom won 4 consecutive cups. I'm bleeding Blue and Orange.
Let's go Islanders! Beep...Beep...Beep.Beep.Beep.
Datsyuk IS the best player in the nhl
Gregoire decided to turn pro, but . . .
he’s using the Blake Wheeler loophole (meaning if he doesn’t sign with the Isles in 30 days, he’s a free agent).
Oh Noes!
Gregoire = Deadman
That Unglorious B*st*rd.
Damn
“We’ll talk some more. If they are the best option, I will go with them."
Damn damn damn damn damn.
Ha!
Cheeky collegiate.
I like his game alright, but I have my doubts at how many better situations he can find on an NHL path. Ah well, worked out great for Wheeler…oh.
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Seriously!!!
Wheeler thought he was too good for the Yotes, and now he is on frickin Atlanta.
Let Us Go, Islanders! (Ever notice how strange that sounds without the contraction?)
by TheMetalChick on May 19, 2011 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions
fixed
Wheeler thought he was too good for the Yotes, and now he is on frickin Atlanta Winnipeg.
We may be in the box, but you get the penalty.
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by mikb on May 19, 2011 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
:rimshot:
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