Nassau County to Announce Major Sports-Entertainment and Casino Plan. You Buying?
by Dominik on May 10, 2011 2:56 PM EDT
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The regular readers are hip to this news in comment discussions here and there, but to offer it to those who missed it and to our friends from around the league: Yes, there is a major announcement planned for tomorrow morning (11 a.m.) from Nassau County Executive Ed Mangano about "a major Economic Development and Job Creation Plan to build a world-class sports-entertainment destination center."
The Islanders have not announced anything differently but are sharing the media advisory from the County Exec's office. [Update: They will also stream the presser live at the official site.] Surely for the better PR bang (sorry to call you "Shirley"), there will be more details leaking trickling out tomorrow morning [$5 please] and then another push of detailed announcements at the time of the presser. Newsday had two unnamed sources talking about a bond issue for "as much as $400 million," which would be some kind of irony after Charles Wang's efforts to privately fund his own development were denied.
More on this and speculation after the jump...
Interestingly, the County advisory also adds [emphasis mine]: "After months of intense media speculation, the County Executive will also announce plans to pursue the construction of an Indian gaming casino," leading this humble tone-decipherer to think the sports and casino developments are related but not necessarily related as in at the Coliseum site.
Bossy only knows how the usual and plentiful levers of local politics are turned up to 11 in Nassau County, so I can only dream under my tinfoil hat about how the mechanics of each development will be proposed in order to scratch all backs.
And who will be there? Who supports it? No doubt Charles Wang, or else we've got problems. But the advisory touts the attendance of "hundreds of local business, community and labor leaders."
Am I excited? Yes. Am I totally reserving judgment and keeping my hopes at basement minimum? Absolutely yes. Depending on where you put the milepost, a proper replacement for Nassau [gloriously unsponsored] Veterans Memorial Coliseum has been a major issue for three, 10, 15, 20 and yes 25 years. Every Islanders fan young and old has been put through the ringer, largely with forces far beyond their control doing the ringing.
What we do know is that sometime between now and 2015, there will be an answer about what ice rink the Islanders call home going forward. I doubt the answer comes tomorrow -- there will be hurdles, and objections, without question -- but maybe tomorrow is the beginning of the end of this torture, a glimmer of light on the horizon.
Or, maybe it's just one more instance where a spark of hope ignites before being trampled by those all too happy to stand in the way of anything changing, ever. I'm just a selfish observer who follows the team in Nassau and has developed friendships with people who live there. To so many of you, this goes beyond a sports team. Fingers crossed that we all get what's best.
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Yay! Wait, yay?
Thanks.
Lighthouse Hockey: Stay classy, my friends. Er, stay thirsty, my brother. Aw hell, whatever.
I heard she's bringing a toilet and plans on throwing Mangano's comments into it.
And then she’s going to shit on them. That’s unconfirmed, but comes from a good source.
by Les Beaver on May 10, 2011 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Splendid
I hope she’s wearing a pant suit. I can’t stand the fact that her name is plastered all over everything in ToH like she’s invented the community. We all know the great Ezekiel Hempstead invented Hempsteat. Also, I hope she sweats through her pant suit due to rough questions…and it ranins on her hair.
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by Keith Quinn on May 10, 2011 3:43 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I thought the founder was Jebediah Hempstead?
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You're thinking of
Jebidiah Hick of Hicksville. I get them confused all the time. I remember the stories of when they accidentally hooked their mule up to the plow facing the wrong direction which led to George Washington Levitt declaring “Would you look at those backward ass hicks”….ahh, good times.
#fact
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by Keith Quinn on May 10, 2011 4:05 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I like facts
By the way, “Hempsteat” and “Rex tape” are two of the more profound autotext typos to come out of this discussion. I swear your autotext program is self-aware.
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Haha! It must be!
Charles Wang has been living off the Hempsteat for too long! Sell the Isles!
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by Keith Quinn on May 10, 2011 4:13 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
The REAL story behind the arena situation
Now, I don’t want to reveal my sources, but below is a secret transcript I discovered behind what REALLY has been holding up the Islanders arena.
OPENING SCENE
Ed Mangano: People, our search is over! On this site we shall build a new sporting and entertainment complex where we can cheer freely, boo loudly, and watch in pride as our Islanders bring forth another Stanley Cup.
Kate Murray: Yes! And marry our cousins.
Ed Mangano I was- wha… what are you talking about, Kate? Why would we want to marry our cousins?
Kate Murray: Because they’re so attractive. I… I thought that was the whole point of this journey.
Ed Mangano: Absolutely not!
Kate Murray: I tell you, I won’t live in a town that robs men of the right to marry their cousins!
::Kate storms out::
END SCENE
by Fabtraption on May 11, 2011 12:46 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
if she's going
then all our hopes of any thing new for the Isles is sasquashed
Sometimes your the dog, sometimes your the hydrant
Whoa Nellie!!!
If D’amato is there we’ll know exactly what’s going on.
He's now heavily into the legal gambling thing.
He’s always trying to get casinos built, so he can play more poker wherever he goes.
Only half a year 'til Opening Night! ... *Sigh!*
by ICanSeeForIslesAndIsles on May 10, 2011 9:03 PM EDT up reply actions
As long as one of the casino games
is somehow Trevor Gillies Mustache related.
Proud to root for the Jets, Mets, and Islanders!!!
Hopefully they open the news conference with this
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Like one of those strong man games where you hit the base and the weight flies up to the bello?
Only on this version, that base is a Penguin, and the weight is a mustache, and the bell is Mario and when you hit it all the way up, Mario cries?
“WHO WANTS TO TAKE A MUSTACHE RIDE? C’MON YOUNG FELLA, MAKE MARIO CRY! Win an adorable little crying penguin for your best girl. WHADDYA SAY?”
by Les Beaver on May 10, 2011 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Kyle Okposo blackjack (21)
DiPietro craps
Tavares slots
PAP poker
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by Keith Quinn on May 10, 2011 3:47 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
The Gillies Game...
I envision a wheel of justice and you must guess what suspension the Collie Ball lands on.
Only half a year 'til Opening Night! ... *Sigh!*
by ICanSeeForIslesAndIsles on May 10, 2011 9:04 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Yes, it is good news.
A recent study looked at 41 sports facility referenda proposed between 1984-2006 and found that nearly 60% of them pass. Compare that to the Isles’ winning percentage over the past three years and it ain’t to shabby.
But seriously, I think it will come down to how this gets paid for. I can’t see Mangnano proposing a tax increase so the funding will likely come from ticket sales, parking, concessions, etc. Hard to predict how that will fly in the current environment, but I can’t complain if there is no Plan B.
by DP'sknee(andhipandflubugandotherknee) on May 10, 2011 3:11 PM EDT reply actions
That's it?
Man, 60% is like 40% of the time you lose all the time. The way this place works, I’d be nervous with 85%.
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by Keith Quinn on May 10, 2011 3:49 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I'd be interested to see
how many of those 40% eventually passed in some modified form. There were a lot of new stadiums built over that time period, most with public funds.
Not sure how that would necessarily relate to the Islanders’ situation, but it’s worth considering
Yea
The sad reality is, even when the people have wise up and refuse to vote these things through, the powers that be often find a way to ram it through anyway (see Consol Energy Center).
There really isn’t a single good reason for these things to be publicly funded, and it would be nice to see the Isles be part of a trend moving away from that model. The opportunity cost is far too great for the community, and much smaller for the private interests.
We'll See...Goold News though becaus eit is news period.
If this announcement includes a plan to get a Casino at the Coliseum then we are in trouble. If it is just a new coliseum and some new development around it (including a Minor League baseball Stadium) then i think we are in good shape.
If it is a new coliseum….soem additional development and infrastructure into anmd out of it would need to be included….no?
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Look who got totally scooped tho
Radio silence from a certain blogger non grata.
by DP'sknee(andhipandflubugandotherknee) on May 10, 2011 3:16 PM EDT reply actions
The
Greatest. User. Name. Ever.
:)
Proud to root for the Jets, Mets, and Islanders!!!
by CharlieIsles on May 10, 2011 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, it's great!
But you forgot his broken face. :-)
Only half a year 'til Opening Night! ... *Sigh!*
by ICanSeeForIslesAndIsles on May 10, 2011 9:06 PM EDT up reply actions
I was going to pick "Guarded Hope" thinking that was most accurate, but the Thai Food one really just spoke to me.
I love Thai Food.
by Les Beaver on May 10, 2011 3:18 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
My sentiments exactly...
My first concern with this is the casino in at the NVMC site… my first question is, why wouldn’t they do it at the Belmont site? You’d get a lot less flack from the people in Elmont… they definitely have better access…. and that would open up the coliseum site for smaller scale housing and commercial development without the need to move 20,000+ people in and out amidst other concerns.
At least it will create jobs, but I find it hard to get behind remaking a mistake, and building on it to boot…without correcting the mistake you made 40 years ago.
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Interesting
That the vote on the Funding is going to be during an election in the Summer. Voter turnout for anything but elections in November is generally non-existent. For example, last years Primary: http://videos.news12.com/2010PrimaryLi/results.htm#Nassau%20County%20Judicial%20Races the votes involving just Nassau County checked in at around 2000 total votes.
Given the hopeful support from Islander fans, the push from Mangano to get his base to vote in the primary, and Al D’Amato’s support of the Casino and push to get his base out should be enough to get this passed.
It’s an interesting play by Mangano, as I don’t think he could get the funding passed during a General Election.
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"And Campbell knows that if head-shots are eliminated, fighting must be eliminated too. Since fighting is, by definition, punching people in the head" - Quisp
Contributor to Lighthouse Hockey not sure if I'm the Sniper or the Enforcer.
Good point
But if there is even a whiff of a tax increase involved people will get mobilized. Also, if neighbors are opposed they could mobilize as well. In a low turnout election, anything can happen.
Can you dig up any data on off-season elections involving referenda with possible $$ impacts?
by DP'sknee(andhipandflubugandotherknee) on May 10, 2011 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Someone would have to tell me the last time that happened, I don’t follow Long Island politics that well.
"And Campbell knows that if head-shots are eliminated, fighting must be eliminated too. Since fighting is, by definition, punching people in the head" - Quisp
Contributor to Lighthouse Hockey not sure if I'm the Sniper or the Enforcer.
Mangano wouldn't pass a tax increase if the county was going to be bought by China otherwise.
Insane nut.
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Pitchf/x enthusiast.
My Guess
Is that the argument would be keeping an NHL team around is more profitable then letting them leave.
"And Campbell knows that if head-shots are eliminated, fighting must be eliminated too. Since fighting is, by definition, punching people in the head" - Quisp
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by Mark D on May 10, 2011 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Oh boy
I hope they dont ask for our data…shhh
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by Keith Quinn on May 10, 2011 4:14 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I love the position these things always put fans in
Basically, we end up saying:
“YES! I want to spend more of my money on this business! Please do something that raises prices and diverts more of my modest income to the enterprise! I will pay anything to sing ‘Live is Life’ while sweaty men carry a big silver cup bequeathed by some English landed dude!”
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Somehow or another
The citizen always pays. You know, if all of the citizens of Nassau started a pool to do this themselves and had enough money to cover it to the nickel, they wouldn’t be allowed…just like Wang wasn’t allowed…theres always a reason, and it’s usually $.
I mean really, what’s more important, affordable nice housing and a family destination spot, or a casino? I wonder how many of Nassaus citizens will avoid eviction or sales because of the casino…my guess, negative 100,000.
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by Keith Quinn on May 10, 2011 4:25 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Politics
Wang offers to build with his own funds and things go nowhere. Taxpayer money is offered up and suddenly things get moving. I’m thinking there are a lot more hands with access to the public money than Wang’s money. Pathetic.
Yep
I’m not certain on much in this matter, but I’d bet money a big obstacle for earlier proposals was keeping Wang from controlling so much of the trough.
Politics rules.
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It's nice that politicians seem eager to spend the public's money, yet scoff at private funds.
The American dream….
Hunter said he was just finishing his check.
There is already money earmarked for this at higher governmental levels- the only way they are getting it is if the DO SOMETHING
Let Us Go, Islanders! (Ever notice how strange that sounds without the contraction?)
by TheMetalChick on May 10, 2011 5:46 PM EDT up reply actions
There's a catch 22 there.
The county will be hurt if the Isles leave. (Hempstead will for sure). But the County can’t afford to spend to keep the Isles as things are right now.
They are….as we say….screwed.
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We now call that a catch-Glendale
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the County can’t afford to spend to keep the Isles as things are right now.
I dont see why that is true at all.
Let Us Go, Islanders! (Ever notice how strange that sounds without the contraction?)
by TheMetalChick on May 10, 2011 9:00 PM EDT up reply actions
That most certainly does NOT mean they can afford to lose all the revenue generated by NVMC and the Isles.
What youre saying does not add up. The mismanagement of finances is all the more reason to hold on to the revenue-making things they DO have in Nassau county. Or do you think that all the money made from NVMC and the Isles can be replaced by Asian nail shops and the like?
Let Us Go, Islanders! (Ever notice how strange that sounds without the contraction?)
by TheMetalChick on May 10, 2011 10:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Read what I said.
Did I SAY “revenue from the Islanders” was what they need? How about what I actually said- “revenue generated by NVMC and the Isles.” Because w/o the Isles, there will not BE an arena at all.
Let Us Go, Islanders! (Ever notice how strange that sounds without the contraction?)
by TheMetalChick on May 11, 2011 10:19 AM EDT up reply actions
Really?
The Islanders are going to take the Coliseum with them? Everything that happens at the Coliseum unrelated to the Islander would continue to happen at the Coliseum. So the only revenue loss would be from the Islanders, which I doubt to be significant.
by afrosupreme on May 11, 2011 10:42 AM EDT up reply actions
WTF????
Um, who do you think has been maintaining the Coliseum- the county? The TOH???
What are you talking about? Without the Islanders the coliseum is condemned.
Let Us Go, Islanders! (Ever notice how strange that sounds without the contraction?)
by TheMetalChick on May 11, 2011 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions
Pretty sure
that would be SMG. You know, the managers.
by afrosupreme on May 11, 2011 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions
And you would be wrong.
SMG my ass. SMG does not build new bars, buy hot tubs, renovate player areas, buy new ice systems, etc. The ISLANDERS ORGANIZATION has been doing those things.
SMG was there before Charles owned the Islanders. Do you even go to NVMC? Do you have any idea what things were like there in the 90s?
Let Us Go, Islanders! (Ever notice how strange that sounds without the contraction?)
by TheMetalChick on May 14, 2011 4:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Katie Strang article
I don’t have a subscription to Newsday because I no longer lived on the Island, can anyone start copying & pasting these? Ha Thanks (:
Me too!
I’ll wait till tomorrow instead of paying $5 today. Wait that feels like a Popeye the Sailor quote for some reason.
We are all Islanders, even if we are in Jersey!
by Russel Ginart on May 10, 2011 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Nassau County Executive Ed Mangano will announce a plan to build “a world-class sports-entertainment destination center” tomorrow at the Coliseum at 11 a.m.
With team owner Charles Wang and other members of the Islanders organization expected to attend, one can assume this will include a new ice rink for the team.
According to the county’s advisory, Mangano will also “announce plans to pursue the construction of an Indian gaming casino.”
Although Wang’s relentless pursuit of the Lighthouse Project has gone nowhere, tomorrow’s announcement may reveal a legitimate alternative to the massive development plan.
Wang has been emphatic in expressing his desire to keep the Islanders on Long Island and said he intends to honor the lease with the outdated, decrepit Coliseum, which expires in 2015.
Team Newsday will be there tomorrow to bring you all the updates as they unfold…
The best search-engine/traffic bait was
A Newsday post that went something like “Coliseum plan could spice Islanders-Rangers rivalry.” There was nothing in it, a few paragraphs about how it’s be good for the rivalry if the club stayed in the area. Smelled like an editor saying, “Get something up now!”
/I’m so totally above that, wouldn’t ever, never, well maybe on Sundays
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You dont need to pay for the mobile site so here ya go:
Bookmark it and never pay for that shit
Uhhhhh
“Newsday had two unnamed sources talking about a bond issue for “as much as $400 million,” which would be some kind of irony after Charles Wang’s efforts to privately fund his own development were denied."
Last I checked, the county was bankrupt and Mangano was insanely anti-taxes. Who wants to buy some of its bonds?
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They'll call it something other than a tax
My guess is it will be funded with ridiculously expensive tickets, concessions and parking, although I am not sure who stands behind the bonds if the funding stream dries up.
by DP'sknee(andhipandflubugandotherknee) on May 10, 2011 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions
If there is going to be a Casino...
Then profits from Casino could help pay
by edavidmorris on May 10, 2011 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Speculative funds from an unknown stream of revenue
in a down economy no less. Oh lovely, investors will line up down the block.
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Casino
Won’t the Casino cash go to the Shinnecocks?
We COULD wait for tomorrow for more facts but wild ass speculation is also nice.
by DP'sknee(andhipandflubugandotherknee) on May 10, 2011 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions
"wild ass speculation is also nice"
And fun for the entire family!
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only if it's
wild ass-speculation
"Playin hurt, baby that don't faze me. I don't got time for pain. The only pain I've got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is!"
"You can't come in my kitchen, kick my dog, and take a box full of ballpoints! Your ass must be crazy!"
YES
Some of that CASH should go to the RUSSEL GINART FOUNDATION!
We are all Islanders, even if we are in Jersey!
by Russel Ginart on May 10, 2011 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions
The RGF
Helping people named Russel Ginart, one Russel Ginart at a time.
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by Dominik on May 10, 2011 4:19 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
OK Les Let's make a deal!!
You can change your name to Russel Ginart, I’ll change my name to More Beaver
We are all Islanders, even if we are in Jersey!
by Russel Ginart on May 10, 2011 5:33 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Ba-dum-dum!
Only half a year 'til Opening Night! ... *Sigh!*
by ICanSeeForIslesAndIsles on May 10, 2011 9:09 PM EDT up reply actions
It really is much better
Than lame-ass speculation.
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by Keith Quinn on May 10, 2011 4:15 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Just a "wild ass"?
I give up, what?
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by Keith Quinn on May 10, 2011 4:27 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Also
I’m sure the first two names on the bond Dale list are Wang and Rechler…if they had that much money, why wouldn’t they contribute to make more.
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by Keith Quinn on May 10, 2011 3:59 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Tomorrow’s press conference will be streamed live on newyorkislanders.com beginning at 11 a.m. #Isles
"And Campbell knows that if head-shots are eliminated, fighting must be eliminated too. Since fighting is, by definition, punching people in the head" - Quisp
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Ignoramus
First of all, can someone define “bond referendum” for me?
If that means that there will be some kind of stakeholders whose bonds would appreciate and that the county (and town) controls the monies in, I find that annoying.
Reason being, they need this cut of money to get it done, but Wang didn’t. They may have basically jerked him around (or had Murray do it) until they were in a more financially stable place to even issue a referendum like this. Anyone that knows anything about a casino knows that they will be profitable. It would just annoy me throughly if all of the Rex tape was basically created in order for the politics to be able to suck some money out of the endeavor. But I’m sure that is a part of it.
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by Keith Quinn on May 10, 2011 3:58 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Bond Referendum are two different things.
Bonds are basically loans. Pay such and such now, make such and such when they mature.
The Referendum is the public vote on allowing the county to sell Bonds.
"And Campbell knows that if head-shots are eliminated, fighting must be eliminated too. Since fighting is, by definition, punching people in the head" - Quisp
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by Mark D on May 10, 2011 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Simple
A vote on whether or not to issue bonds. Bonds put the future in debt for the short term.
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Pitchf/x enthusiast.
Ha
Okay, got it…I would assume (since as some noted above) since the county’s finances are a mess, they would almost need some type of co-signer or someone willing to capitalize something like that (almost like a pre-paid credit card). Although, I will look to spend some of my retirement money on it.
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by Keith Quinn on May 10, 2011 4:10 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
In theory
The revenues generated by the project (i.e., tickets, parking, naming rights, et al.) pays the off the bond holders. Not sure who bears the risk if the revenues aren’t enough to pay everyone.
by DP'sknee(andhipandflubugandotherknee) on May 10, 2011 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions
"Bond referendum"
It means an intense, reasoned debate to rank Roger Moore, Sean Connery, Timothy Dalton, Pierce Brosnan, and that blond serious guy. Not necessarily in that order.
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by Dominik on May 10, 2011 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
Man
I might just agree with this list! You don’t find many Moore fans these days.
It’s hard to demote Brosnan to the fourth line with those handsome good looks, but hey, it’s a deep team. Just ask Timothy “Bruno” Dalton.
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by Dominik on May 10, 2011 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Don't forget George Lanzenbe (spelling)
We are all Islanders, even if we are in Jersey!
by Russel Ginart on May 10, 2011 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions
George Lanzenby
We are all Islanders, even if we are in Jersey!
by Russel Ginart on May 10, 2011 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I knew someone would bring him up
It sounds like he was a brat.
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Well what if
Word is bond yo?
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by Keith Quinn on May 10, 2011 4:11 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Then
Speak truth to power.
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"NO, Mr. Mangano. I expect it to PASS!"
LOL
by ogam5 on May 10, 2011 7:30 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I'm excited for this. I absolutely can't wait until the announcement...
so that I can be utterly disappointed when Mangano kicks the Isles in the testicles.
If this is how they get a new arena built, then I’m not surprised. During the LHP arguments on the web, I said often that the only way anything happens is if those in power get theirs first. Now Mangano wants to talk progress because the Republicans hold power in Nassau.
Can’t wait to see how Isles fans get shafted somehow.
Hunter said he was just finishing his check.
by Turgeon1992 on May 10, 2011 4:15 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
To be honest I reeaaaly hope the casino
Is at Belmont. I don’t want it here…there’s already a prison and a hospital/rehab clinic, and I’m at a 7-11 right now and a guy in his 50’s resembling sideshow bob (brown-red mop-fro) just walked by with face tattoos and his pants gangsta style…I want less of that.
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by Keith Quinn on May 10, 2011 4:19 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Really sounds like it'd be Belmont
I don’t get why you wouldn’t want to live around more Simpsons characters though. They’re funny and have cool hair.
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Stupid weird guilt
Where I always give them money or cigarettes. Dammit, I need money and cigarettes!
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by Keith Quinn on May 10, 2011 4:30 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Knowing the Isles luck, the referendum would be voted down.
Though once again, with the county’s finances, that might not be a bad vote.
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Isn't Guarded Hope
racing at Belmont next week?
by DP'sknee(andhipandflubugandotherknee) on May 10, 2011 4:33 PM EDT reply actions 3 recs
Why would the Lady who sings when it's over, or Kate Murray if you will,
be at tomorrow’s meeting if a casino is going to be developed? My understanding is that for a casino to be part of the re-development, the land would have to be swapped to the Shinnecock Nation for their land out east. If that happens, it’s as sovereign as say Pakistan, and not under the jurisdiction of the Town of Shempstead (oops, my typo).
Funding Source
As part of the Press Conference, Mangano will announce that the new development will be funded by an “Islanders Hockey Tax Refund Adjustment” for Nassau County residents.
Islanders = Good
Hockey = Good
Refund = Good
Woo Hoo!!!
by SchneiderDiricov on May 10, 2011 5:05 PM EDT reply actions
Avery backs same sex marriage, lol
Im not gay but I think there are more important issues to fight over than this…Live and let live is what I say
Extremely off topic, but thats nice.
Let Us Go, Islanders! (Ever notice how strange that sounds without the contraction?)
by TheMetalChick on May 10, 2011 7:22 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm all for same sex marriages...
Why shouldn’t everybody have the right to suffer equally!
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Set of golf clubs as a wedding gift.
by rmblifn on May 11, 2011 12:52 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Now we all know Avery is a major tool
but I’m going to give the guy a hell of a lot of credit, that takes some balls for a major sports figure to step out and make a plea for equal marriage. After the Chicago Blackhawks brought the Stanley Cup to the Chicago Gay Pride Festival last year and now Avery speaking out in support of gay marriage, I hope to see more outreach of the league to the LGBT community. Hell, it’s nice to at least see one sport acknowledge that aspect of their fanbase. This is great to see also, in light of the @UptownHockey guy being a complete asshole.
by Fabtraption on May 11, 2011 12:59 AM EDT up reply actions
Even 22 is excited
Mike Bossy
Bossy5050 Mike Bossy
Excited about our press conf. on Long Island tomorrow………new arena maybe?????? What a great day that will be
2 minutes ago
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by Keith Quinn on May 10, 2011 5:47 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
of course i'm excited :), lol
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From Botta Interviewing someone I never heard of
Chris Botta
ChrisBottaNHL Chris Botta
Re-sending Nassau Leg Minority Leader Diane Yatauro statement on #Isles arena plan. My apoligies: BBerry Twitter ap failure.
(1) "In light of the NIFA takeover, I would like to hear from our new financial partners before proceeding."
Yatauro (2) “I am inclined to approach any borrowing very cautiously especially since…”
Yatauro (3) “Dems had a deal on the table that would have renovated the Coli and surrounding property at absolutely no cost to taxpayers.”
Yatauro (4): "I would of course take a long hard look at any reasonable proposal that stimulates our local economy and job creation."
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Natural Statement.
For those who don’t follow Nassau politics too much (I know Dom’s in St. Louis), Mangano’s been pretending that NIFA (the committee the state appointed to take over running the county’s finances) doesn’t exist for weeks – even trying to sue to get around them for a while.
All this person (appears to be the democratic leader in the Nassau legislature) is saying is that they want to hear NIFA’s view on the plan. Which is the truth….without NIFA’s approval of it, I fail to see how Mangano can do anything.
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I thought Mangano successfully repelled the NIFA in court?
Which isn’t to say whether I agree or disagree with the judge. But I’m pretty sure NIFA is out of the picture.
Only half a year 'til Opening Night! ... *Sigh!*
by ICanSeeForIslesAndIsles on May 10, 2011 9:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Nope, he lost that case.
NIFA is still in charge.
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Here ya go:
Nassau doesn’t get a preliminary injunction against NIFA:
http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2011/03/14/judge-backs-nifa-takeover-of-nassau-county-finances/
Mangano dropped the lawsuit thereafter here:
http://www.newsday.com/long-island/nassau/nassau-drops-lawsuit-against-nifa-takeover-1.2789443
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Ah thanks.
Only half a year 'til Opening Night! ... *Sigh!*
by ICanSeeForIslesAndIsles on May 11, 2011 9:15 AM EDT up reply actions
Reservations: (pun intended)
1. Why are we even talking about building anything without fixing the problems with the coliseum. Nassau County has failed to make the NVMC accessible by public transport. That cuts off it’s perimeter to the folks who refuse to schlep through the boroughs by limited passenger vehicles. It is a problem now, it’s a bigger problem with every passing day. Add a high traffic destination like a casino, and you are just asking for problems.
2. What does this mean to the surronding area? Everybody knows that Garden City isn’t gonna like it… but what if you work in that area? What if you conduct business in the area? There are no banking headquarters in Atlantic City… that may be true for Uniondale in a few years as well.
3. The LHP was going to supposedly allow CW to operate the Islanders in the red. What is his stake in this… does he get 1000 more rooms for a marriot “complex”?
4. Does a casino really help fill a 20,000 seat arena, or does it just create more confusion for the patrons who have to shuffle through.
5. Was Belmont an option for the Islanders as well as the Shinnecocks?
6. When the “screw Charles Wang” committee is finished, and he is most likely forced to sell to the “casino interests” do they have to rename the team?… and then the real question will be… “who own da chiefs?”
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by JPinVA on May 10, 2011 9:18 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Public Transport
The problem is that LIRR, the best form of public transport, or even the MTA, isn’t something controlled by Nassau County. The only way to ensure Public Transportation would be to move to a location which had it already.
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Ok i know this has NOTHING to do with this thread
but is anyone watching the sharks-wings game?!
one of the most exciting 0-0 games ive ever seen, and thats not sarcasm
ridiculous number of chances for the wings
"Mario Lemiuex… I used to respect you."- Turgeon1992
its just one of those games
Niemis been playing real well
this goal could stand
"Mario Lemiuex… I used to respect you."- Turgeon1992
I think so
theyre just so calm under pressure, its ridiculous
"Mario Lemiuex… I used to respect you."- Turgeon1992
Will there be a shrine to properly worship the Hockey Gods?
You know that the Islanders will also need an adaquate shine to worship the Hockey Gods in order to bring home the Silverware.
**
I find it odd that at the end of the day they are going to have to raise bond money to go forward with a new arena, built by the county. Unless … they are going to cover the cost of the arena, and allow Wang to build a more modest Entertainment & Hotel complex, which would be easier for him to recoup the costs.
Just a stab in the dark here.
The buzz about the casino is Belmont Park.
by 19 Isle in NJ 22 on May 10, 2011 10:11 PM EDT reply actions
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May 24, 1980: Tonelli to Nystrom. At long last, the steady build of the New York Islanders from expansion doormat to surprise semifinalist to annual contender reaches the promised land: Buoyed by a late season trade for Butch Goring that gave the team the depth up the middle GM Bill Torrey had been seeking, the Islanders knock off the Philadelphia Flyers in six games.
The victory justified the faith in coach Al Arbour who guided them from their second season to their first Stanley Cup seven seasons later. The Islanders would not be the first expansion team to win the Stanley Cup, but they would be the only one capable of a dynasty.
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May 21, 1981: This time it was much easier. After falling to "only" 91 points in the 1979-80 season, the Islanders returned to their division title tradition, piling up 110 points -- a whole 13 points over second-place Philadelphia.
Between the quarterfinals (where they beat the upstart Oilers in six games) and the finals, the Islanders reeled off eight consecutive wins -- with a four-game sweep of archrival Rangers in between. As they defeated the Minnesota North Stars in five games for their second Cup, their goal difference in the final was a combined +10.
1981-82
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May 16, 1982: Another year, another landslide title. The Islanders won the Patrick Division by a whopping 26 points over the second-place Rangers, and were seven points clear of their nearest competition for the President's Trophy, the still-not-quite-ripe Edmonton Oilers.
A first-round scare against the Pittsburgh Penguins turned in the Isles' favor thanks to John Tonelli's heroics, and a true dynasty was on its way: Past the Rangers in six games, then an eight-game sweep of the Quebec Nordiques and Vancouver Canucks to run away with the Stanley Cup.
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May 17, 1983: Not so fast, whipper-snappers. The Edmonton Oilers' steadily rising challenge for league supremacy took them all the way to the finals for the first time, where the New York Islanders summarily dispatched them in a four-game sweep. For the Islanders, the Dynasty was secured. For the Oilers, it was a powerful lesson in where talent ends and the demands of playoff hockey begin.
Four years, four Cups, 16 consecutive playoff series wins (a record that would grow to 19 until the rematch with the Oilers the following year). Mike Bossy scored 60 goals yet again, and Wayne Gretzky became acquainted with Billy Smith's crease.
