Opinion: Is the NHL inviting its integrity to be questioned?
A few years ago Tim Donaghy caused a bit of an uproar when he said certain NBA refs were company men who made calls that influenced games in order to cause certain playoff matchups. While the NBA decried that the disgraced ref was just a criminal trying to wriggle his way out of trouble, they also went through the trouble of suing the original publisher of his book. People who did the legwork and looked at the games in question did find a disparity in foul calls. While in the long run this incident didn't seem to hurt the league, I believe after last week's Islanders-Rangers game (a 6-2 Islanders win) a light needs to be shined on the NHL now.
As I tend to do with politics from time to time, it always comes down to following the money. Right now the NHL seems to be in perfect position to cash in with a new TV deal. With the current NFL lockout leaving the season up in the air, and a potential work stoppage also threatening the NBA, this would possibly make the NHL the only game in town when it starts again in October. The NHL could cash in very well on this situation, but obviously they need to show continued ratings growth. Remember how last time the NHL was "the in thing" ... it was right after a Cup win by its Manhattan team?
How does this all tie into a Rangers vs. Islanders match-up with four games left in the season, where the big-market playoff bubble team received eight powerplays (including two 5-on-3s totaling 1:26), and the lottery team that controlled the majority of play received just two (one an automatic delay-of-game call, the other a meaningless call long after the game was already decided)?
As anyone can tell by looking at the standings, the Rangers were teetering on the edge. If the Rangers were to fall out of the playoffs, they would most likely be replaced by the Carolina Hurricanes. This would leave the NYC area without a team in the playoffs for the first time since 1966 (thanks BCIslesman). Now I'm not mocking Carolina, but given that NYC is the largest media market in the United States and that Charlotte and Raleigh are both in the mid-20s, it might be a big ratings hit and possibly pocketbook hit if the Rangers fall out of the playoffs too.
Maybe I am being a tad paranoid and reading a bit too much into nothing, but I only started thinking of this when it came out that Marian Gaborik was not going to be suspended for his hit on Frans Nielsen (in fact, not only did Gaborik only get two minutes for boarding on the hit from behind, but the ensuing scrum somehow left the Islanders still shorthanded...and now without their best penalty killer). The non-suspension of Gaborik is ironic, considering that Frans Nielsen was one of the first people to be treated for a concussion under the NHL's new guidelines. While these guidelines are a good step forward for the league, they are meaningless if they do not involve punishments for the type of hits that put Frans down.
Although the Rangers have played a lot of games without Gaborik this season, his suspension -- even if it was for one or two games -- would have been huge as they fight for a playoff spot. Combine that with a lot of questionable calls in the Islanders-Rangers game and it has to be asked if the league is even subtly pulling for a Rangers playoff appearance. The Islanders were penalized seven times in the first period, and two more times early in the second period when the game was still up for grabs.
With the game out of reach for the Rangers in the third, there were still odd calls against the Isles, such as Jack Hillen's "elbow" following a fight which he didn't instigate, and in fact which was instigated by Brandon Dubinsky crosschecking him in the head in apparent retaliation for a clean Hillen hit. If it wasn't a case of the officials feeling that one team deserved -- no, needed -- the benefit of the doubt for its playoff push, then it was certainly an example of one disgracefully poor night of officiating.
Sadly, this isn't the first time this season the integrity of the league was called into question. Earlier this season official emails from Senior VP Colin Campbell (who also handles the league's discipline) were released as part of a trial. Included in those emails was Campbell chastising refs for late game calls against his son and infamously calling an unnamed player who could only be Marc Savard (a former player under Campbell with the Rangers) a "little fake artist." The NHL has announced that it stands behind Campbell 100%, and it seems any momentum to get him fired is long gone.
It's not that hard to quell rumors and questions such as these if the NHL would just announce, as a standard, that such and such an illegal hit is such and such number of games as a base/minimum. Instead it seems like Down Goes Brown's penalty flowchart is just as right today as it was when it was first posted in November of 2009.
Maybe it was just another rough and tumble game between the Rangers and Islanders, with adequate penalties for both sides. But as long as the league is unwilling to reveal the actual thinking behind how suspensions are handed out, these questions are going to linger and hurt the league. And when a late-season game between a lottery team and a big-market team in a desperate playoff push features a curiously lopsided collection of calls...we're going to wonder.
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I wouldn't say the game was definitely fixed but...
There definitely was a concerted attempt to influence play in the Rangers favor. If the fix was definitely in then the Rangers would have won that game somehow. However this goes way beyond just one game between the rivals. I think the league is doing all that it can to try and keep the Isles down and out. How else does a blatantly illegal hit on Nielsen go un-punished? I’m sorry but a 2 min penalty just does not count as punishment when the play in question left a player out cold on the ice and with a concussion. My 2nd exhibit is how did Gillies’ hit on Cal Clutterbuck warrant a 10 game suspension but Clutterbuck’s hit on DiBo immediately before warrant nothing? The league is doing all that it can to maintain it’s status quo and part of that is the Islanders are one of the worst teams in the league and have been for as long as anyone can remember. That whole 1980’s dynasty thing was just something that happened in remote antiquity and should never be brought up again as far as the NHL is concerned.
If next year the Isles receive the same “quality” officitating then my suspicions will be confirmed.
The New York Islanders....they make opposing goalies look gooooood.
by Metalstar on Apr 6, 2011 12:00 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
I think it comes down to respect, perceived or perceived as "earned"
Something was downright pathetic in that game, but I’m usually the last to think of Donaghy-like conspiracy or implied directives. (Still, reviewing the penalties with less emotional hindsight still leaves me scratching my head.)
Rather, I think refs know what’s at stake, maybe they’ve read bad press about the Isles (or, if Konopka’s frequent 10-minute misconducts are any indication, they get impatient with some of the Isles), so they don’t give them the benefit of the doubt. Maybe subconsciously they think it doesn’t matter if they hurt the Isles chances of getting from 70 to 72 points in a lottery season, but if they do something to hurt a playoff team they’ll be hearing from their bosses. (Colie email anyone?!)
So like ticking off the parent who will punish you less, they are oriented to err on the side of the team for whom big mistakes will hurt them. That’s how I explain it anyway, to keep me from feeling like I’m watching WWE.
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hopefully this is like the WWE
and this is all just build up to our dramatic victory in Wrestlemania The Stanley Cup Finals
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by Zhora on Apr 6, 2011 1:20 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
If this year's Wrestlemania is any indicator...
then we have only to look forward to a double DQ, followed by a restart (OT perhaps), then we have to job to Bettman as he interrupts to keep on top whoever won the year before.
Hunter said he was just finishing his check.
I just hope
that in game 7 of Rangers series, “oh my GOD! It’s FRANZ! And he lays out Gaborik! Here comes Ovechkin…..SCORE! Rangers lose!”.
All while the DGeneration X theme song plays in the background, and Franzie makes the “X” motion with his arms.
(I haven’t watched wrestling in a while but D Generation X was my favorite). Franzie can be Franz-Pac or something.
Proud to root for the Jets, Mets, and Islanders!!!
by CharlieIsles on Apr 6, 2011 7:48 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
I haven't watched wrestling in close to 20 years, but I laughed.
The thought of Frans as a heel, sitting off by the sidelines making threatening gestures to distract play is awesome.
Trevor Gillies...
Bleaching everything blond and ripping off his Isles jersey like the Hulkster.
We may be in the box, but you get the penalty.
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That was not Mankind (of Long island)
It was Al Snow.
And there has been pro-Ranger offiating bias for years. I am surprised anyone is surprised.
It be cool is Al Snow brought the head and Garth Snow brought a 2x4 like Hacksaw Jim Dugan used to do.
And he could call it the Waiver Beam.
aaah.... the good ol' days
I haven’t watched wrestling in a while
Is Bruno Sammartino still the champ?
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yep
and Captain Lou Albano is his manager ;-)
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Where is Chief Jay Strongbow?
I think that is his name…….
by NHL fan on Apr 6, 2011 9:45 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Yes...
Some great characters from that era…
Ivan Putski (POLISH POWER)
George “The Animal” Steele (Turnbuckle Eater)… I’m pretty sure he worked for the DMV in Westbury for a while.
Bob Backlund (Richie Cunningham of Wrestling)
Randy Savage (Started the fight against “handsome” in the seventies)
Jesse “The Body” Ventura..Governor Janos may have been the first head of state that needed the secret service to protect his constituency.
Mil Masqueros.. when his wrestling career was over he was the top provider of head covers for both small time hoods and the PGA.
…okay… when I go back over 30 years my brain starts to hurt.
But to get this back, somewhat to the Islanders, I remember the only live wrestling event I ever attended. It was at the NVMC and me a few buddies went to see a match between Hulk Hogan and Andre The Giant. We’d been drinking all day so we stopped at the Roy Rogers across from the coliseum to get the antidote. As we were walking in a limo pulled in and as the driver got out to go into RR the window opened and Ivan Putski stuck his head out to update his order.
The driver was on the line next to us and he ordered four double R burgers and a few chicken breasts. So we asked him how many people were in the car.. we were talking to him while we waited so he knew that we knew who was in the car (though we didn’t make a big deal of it)… and he said, “You should see the shit that guy eats right before he goes on… it’s a wonder he isn’t known as Igotta PEWKSI”
Just one from the memory banks… back to our regularly scheduled hockey rants…
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and Captain Lou Albano is his manager ;-)
Really? I know that one! He is the one with the rubber bands all over this face that was friends with Cyndi Lauper.
I think its cute that old wrestlers become managers. :)
Let Us Go, Islanders! (Ever notice how strange that sounds without the contraction?)
by TheMetalChick on Apr 6, 2011 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions
I grew up....
… watching The Macho Man Randy Savage and his brother Leaping Lanny Poffo running epic battles in Grand Prix Wrestling (Atlantic Canada) before the Macho Man made it big in the WWF. The Suplex v. the Sleeper. Great stuff.
Lanny was always a better technician and more athletic, and he was the Hero to Savage’s Heel, but obviously a name like Leaping Lanny Poffo did not make it easy to transition to the BIg Time. A shame really, because Lanny was always fun to watch.
There's a mountain of buoyant nostalgia under this team and it's going to erupt like Vesuvius when the Islanders are back in playoff contention.... Count on it.
by Nova Scotia Isles Fan on Apr 6, 2011 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions
I remember him. Didn't he read poems?
Remember when they made Adrian Adonis into a flower shop talk show host or something? WTF was that all about.
MMM
Ms. Elizabeth…heavy crush!
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maybe the refs were isles fans...
and trying to help them out with lottery positioning.
by Icelanders on Apr 6, 2011 9:07 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
On the other hand
While I’m more diplomatic about the shoddy officiating, I’m pretty certain if Matt Martin did what Marian Gaborik did, he’d have been suspended — even if it was his first offense. (Martin actually was suspended for his first offense earlier this year, the hit on Vernon Fiddler.) But Gaborik’s too important at this time of year, he’d have had to take a flying run at someone to get additional discipline.
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by Dominik on Apr 6, 2011 11:46 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Could you imagine the uproar
if goonish Matt Martin did the same thing to Gaborik?
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Imagine if it was the Stache!
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by TheMetalChick on Apr 6, 2011 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions
The best laid plans of refs and men...
Of course they couldn’t entirely control the outcome of the Islander-Ranger game in question without outright disallowing several goals. But anyone who watched the game can only conclude that it wasn’t for lack of trying. I would challenge any neutral and hockey-savvy observer to watch a tape of the game, take notes, and come to another conclusion.
And yes, the NHL should keep its long-term integrity in mind. It may not become a big problem now, but incidents such as this are now beginning to rapidly accumulate.
by Paumanok on Apr 6, 2011 6:44 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
And some fans are taking notice
Not just Islanders fans, but I’ve noticed a little more lately that fans throughout the NHL are talking about the lack of equity in officiating and discipline. Take the Boston/Montreal debacle regarding Max Pacioretty for instance. Habs fans thought the decision on Chara was wrong, so they took to protest.
This shit makes me wonder why I bother watching games..
Im tired of being kicked in the fucking balls!
The quality of officiating in general seems to have gone to shit.
It seems “players” are called more often than penalties. But that Gaborik got nothing at all in terms of suspensions annoyed me more than the officiating. I don’t think refs are in on the fix, I just think they’re not very good. More concerned with “making a point” and “establishing control” then in calling the games by the rules.
What else are we supposed to think?
I mean all you have to do is look at the Gaborik penalty and wonder WTF? I mean its clearly seen in the video that the ref is looking right at the play. Its also clear the Frans was at least 3 ft from the boards. The call should’ve been automatic. Then they even up the call??
This of course goes beyond one game tho. This has been an epidemic for the last decade going all the way back to the Leafs-Islanders series with the Peca and Jonnson hits. I’m sure everyone on this board could go back in their brains and remember a flagrant BS penalty call over the last 10 years and we’d all come up with unique examples.
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What doesn't make any sense
is that the league did not follow up on the incident. If it were Gillies or anyone else of a lower caste, it would have been suspension time. There is no credibility there.
On one hand ...
I have trouble believing in systematic schemes in the officiating of pro-sports. If such a scam was ever truly exposed it would seem the league would be dead, whatever the sport. On the other hand, there are many ways to arrange things to suit your interests without holding secret meetings, and specific instructions can easily be meted out to your charges by subtle and untraceable means. Which brings me to David Stern. If anyone thinks Michael Jordan “retired” in 1993 because he got tired of winning and wanted to play baseball, well, … And if anyone thinks the Doneghy sleaze really started and ended with that guy alone, well … Which brings me to Gary Bettman. It should not be overlooked that he honed his league managment skills right at Stern’s side for over a decade. If you’re looking for evidence of a tilt by league overseers toward their most beneficial path, look no further than the stooge Colin Cambell, who still has his job as chief arbiter of justice even after having any crumb of credibility he still had publicly shredded to scraps.
by dose on Apr 6, 2011 9:25 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Next year I might start compiling Ref Stats
Besides having the crews on the box score are there ref stats available on the web?
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We all know that penalties are called selectively
If they called every infraction the game would have no flow (we’ve all seen games where they did call nearly everything and it was painful). The question is are they being equally selective or are some teams more equal than others. I do believe some players and teams get less marginal calls than others. I don’t know if it’s intentional but it definitely seems to exist. The refs and league also seem to have some kind of Karma scale. That’s why we see make up calls at some times and other players getting away with attempted murder. Gillies obviously has a league karma of -1000 (whether earned or not). Gaborik must have some kind of + to get away with boarding w/concussion. Being a smurf likely buys some extra NHL Karma. Chara likely has the highest NHLK of all. Perrenial all star playing on Colin Campbell’s son’s team. He nearly paralyzed a guy and got nothing. I’m not sure if there was a blatant ‘make the Rangers win’ league mandate but NHLK was at the very least at work.
You mean to tell me shooting the puck from 70 feet out doesn't earn us extra goals?
Officiating
Officiating are like budgets they reflect the philosophy of the leadership of the organization.
No other sports organization tolerates the behaviors of players and leaders the way the NHL does.
Dumbbell would have been fired from most organization for his email rant about his son. That was absolutely a conflict of interest and over reach on the part of an executive of an organization. What was his discipline? Nothing.
We all know the Dumbbell Wheel of Injustice doesn’t work and is confusing. But again, no other support would allow the on ice activities that the NHL allows. I can’t imagine the NBA or NFL allowing a player to elbow another in the head and not be suspended. If a player pushes an on field official they are subject to ejection and possible suspension.
This is a reflection of the incompetence of Bettman and his let boys be boys unless it is one of the original 6 teams or Pittsburgh. They are protected while teams like the Islanders are the permanent whipping boys.
HockeyCalls.com
HockeyFights.com is pretty popular, maybe a site centered on specific officials’ on ice calls would be another place to air grievences.
There would have to be a team of websters with digital access to all NHL game… all 60 mins. They could post contriversial calls and non-calls, and have them categorized by the officiating crew.
Another site could be NHLSuspensions.com… same premise focused on the suspensions and non-suspensions of the Campbell regime.
Fans would register for each site with their own personal demographic information, and they would vote on the each call. Each member would then have stats compiled (so you could tell how much of a homer they were) and there might even be some metrix the fans could use to determine bias better.
Just a thought.
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by JPinVA on Apr 6, 2011 9:50 AM EDT reply actions 5 recs
Love 'em both
I’ve heard SBN editors toss the idea of a suspensions site around. One obstacle was that it would only have periodic content (like a weatherman waiting for something to happen, only without even the ability to go, “Look out, there’s a 40% chance of DEVASTATING Colin Campbell decisions this week.”
It’d take some dedication, but it would work.
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If this league ..........
were run like the NFL, we would not have this problem – and we have a problem of injuries and inconsistent penalties. Whether fighting should be condonded as it is in hockey vs football is a subject for another post. What is an appropriate discussion is the lack of repect by too many players and some mgmt for personal injuries in the NHL.. Part of this is clearly seen by the open concern by opposing teams when an opposing player is hurt in the NFL.. It also manifests itself in the commraderie of players after a football game Others will argue that hockey has a macho image and its part of the game….. well if it is we are certainly seeing the results.
As a Vancouver fan, my tinfoil hat is firmly attached with a chin strap
And I have some backups in case it catches on fire.
In seriousness though, I think the main issue this year has been inconsistent reffing. I haven’t watched enough of your games to get an idea if you are really getting screwed, so I’ll take your word for it. But there was a good stretch of games about a month ago where Vancouver only got 1/2 powerplays a game, and the other team got 5/6. That felt a little out of proportion, because Van wasn’t just sitting around not moving.
I hesitate to say there is anything remotely close to a conspiracy or a “nudge nudge, wink wink” kind of thing going on, because there’s no way that could be kept tightly under wraps.
I wonder if it has something to do with the 2 ref system. Would some refs defer to their partner for some calls, and not make the ones they would make, or make a call because they feel their partner would have done it?
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I wonder if it has something to do with the 2 ref system.
I would argue that it does. First, there are twice the number of refs with twice the number of standards. They do not work together each night, so it may not be possible to get them al on the same page. A ref calling a ticky tack hook from 70 feet away when his partner doesn’t call it, even from 10 feet away, IMO is a real problem. Refs failing to make calls, when those should be obvious, is a bigger one.
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by Nova Scotia Isles Fan on Apr 6, 2011 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions
Ref supply
I think not only the extra challenges with the two-ref system, but also what that’s done to the talent pool. Suddenly you have the top two leagues moving to two refs (I know it’s been a while since the move, but older refs are retiring creating vacancies), that might put a strain on supply. I’ve certainly heard officials talk about that as an issue.
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True
Maybe I’m just nostalgic or selective in memory, but I don’t remember such bad officiating in the past. But it still doesn’t account for the seeming bias against the Islanders in any number of games.
good points all
We work two officials in our league – of course they have to be ref and linesman rolled into one, so it’s a different thing, more to keep track of but at a much slower pace. They have an informal system to prevent the back ref from overcalling everything. Basically, the ref on the play has three options:
1. Make a call
2. Make “no call”
3. Watch
If it’s #1, obviously the back ref doesn’t have to worry. If it’s #2, the ref on the spot will actually say “good” or “play on” and make the wash-out motion with his hands – and again, the back ref there will not make a call. If it’s #3, the back ref can assume, if he has a call, that the other guy didn’t catch it for whatever reason, and then call it himself. Usually that’s on scrums in front, or when the lead ref has to follow the puck and something goes on behind the play… less frequently, when one guy can’t clearly see something from a weird angle while the other ref, looking from the side, has an easy call.
It doesn’t solve every problem but it helps a lot.
We may be in the box, but you get the penalty.
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I’d like, at the least, it be considered “normal” to cancel out the penalty after a referee huddle.
Kind of like when they pick up the flag in football.
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They only tend to do that on the puck over the glass delay of game ones. I don’t see why they couldn’t do it for others as well.
Most of the time for delay of game they really don’t even know what they saw anyways, so they’re just guessing. I’m sure more of them see the other infractions and could comment on it
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Its not impossible… the NHL basically begged McCreary to return this year they were so short on refs. Most of the refs I considered “the best” have retired in the past two years.
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Yep
I think that is a major problem
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Air Supply
I agree with what you are saying, its just thats the first thing I thought of when I read your title.
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by TheMetalChick on Apr 6, 2011 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions
All Out of Penalties is a great song
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by Dominik on Apr 6, 2011 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Colin's favorite band
Making Suspensions for Nothing at All
We may be in the box, but you get the penalty.
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by mikb on Apr 6, 2011 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
As I said that night
The refs were trying to GIVE US the game with all those penalties. They were more than aware we can only score on the PK right now.
Good point
Totally overlooked that aspect. The refs really knew what they were doing, giving the better team that night the best chance to score.
\m/ Frans + Grabs \m/
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Mean Girls
The NHL media, and now its officiating, remind me more of the movie “Mean Girls” than a group of professional adults. “Like, ohmygod, ignore herrrr. She’s not even, like, popularrrrr.” Gutless pukes.
by 19InARow on Apr 6, 2011 12:44 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
lol, this is technically the closest poll on anything I’ve posted. Also love the wrestling discussion.It seems like every time we discuss refs the WWF gets brought up. That’s not saying much for NHL refs.
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by Mark D on Apr 6, 2011 1:17 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs

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