[FanPost] Grading the Islanders
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2010-11 was one roller coaster for us fans. We went through moments of despair and then we had some hope restored. I would like to take a look at all the Islanders and simply point out my opinions on how I felt that they played. I will obviously leave out the ATOs. I might forget about someone, so please feel free to point it out.
** I would like to point out that the grades are listed below each of the players in case it seems a bit confusing. Some players have no grade, which is an incomplete. The grades were given based on both my expectations for the players, the results from the season, and any intangibles that they may have contributed. Thank you.
Goalies
Rick DiPietro: DP definitely gets an A for effort, an A for his passion, and an A for his commitment. While all of these are important aspects of his being on this team, he falls far below this mark in the most important area: in the crease. Unfortunately, DP was injured once more during this season. A lot has been said about his dreadful statistics, but the worst of it is that our former first overall pick was never the best option in goal for this team at any given point in the season save for a few weeks when Lawson was the only other option. But when Kevin Poulin came up, it was clear who our goalie of the future is, and his name is not DiPietro. He was frustrating to watch, he clearly did not learn how to control his puckmoving tendencies, and he let in a lot of goals that the average NHL backup is expected to make. The bottom line is that he rarely gave this team a chance to win on a consistent basis.
Grade: C
Al Montoya: No one was particularly enthusiastic about his arrival on the Island, but he proved naysayers wrong right away by helping this team to a steady run thanks to his stability in net. He has the right attitude and I am thrilled to have him back next season, especially considering what the other option in net will be (see above). Aside from a shaky game against the Rangers in which he was pulled, Montoya performed admirably and looked like the kind of guy you would want backstopping a potential playoff team. He made timely saves and gave this team a chance to win every night he was in goal (the same can't be said about the aforementioned DP).
Grade: A
Dwayne Roloson: Roloson is now a part of a playoff contender, but his efforts while on the island must nevertheless be noted. He shouldered the big losing stretch in November and early December, but he always gave this team a chance to win night in and night out. He was the Islanders best player a year ago, and it was no different this season. He was a great leader and a goaltender that was much appreciated during his stay.
Grade: A
Kevin Poulin: Poulin's season ended with a freak accident and the hopes are that he recovers and regains the form that he put on display. Had the injury not occured, it would have been interesting to see Poulin develop during the final quarter of the season as the undisputed Number 1. While he was playing he proved to be an athletic competitor with great confidence and play to back it up with, which can't be said for all the goaltenders on this team. If he continues to develop the way he has and can find some consistency (he did give up early goals in many of his starts), then he may very well be the future of this franchise in goal.
Grade: A-
Nathan Lawson: Few, if any, have ever thought that Lawson would part of this teams future in net. During his stay, he solidified this point of view. Of the 6 goaltenders this season, he had the fewest wins (only 1) and it was clear that he was not NHL material. He had the tendency to give up bad goals and no lead was safe with him. He played a few strong games, but nothing to denote that he would be a major building block for this franchise.
Grade: C
Mikko Koskinen: Koskinen had a miserable season in Bridgeport and his brief stint on the Island, showed glimpses of potential, but proved that he was not ready for the fast pace of the NHL. He did pull out a couple victories against Montreal and Pittsburgh, but his GAA (4.33) and more importantly, his SV % (.873) were wretched. It is too soon to tell what his future holds. Next season at Bridgeport will give a better indication of where he is headed as a goaltender.
Grade: C
Defense
Mark Eaton: Mark Eaton was one of the deals that Snow made on July 1st. He proved to be nothing more than a depth defenseman who was good positionally, but failed to ever be a physical presence. He never particularly impressed me as I felt that other defenseman proved to be better options on defense during the season.
Grade: C
James Wisniewski: Wisniewski seemed to be a popular deal when it happened (the Islander's website even had a big promotion on its opening page, even going so far to teach the fans how to say his name). Many thought he would make a great pairing with Streit on the top pair. Unfortunately that never materialized and Wisniewski was propelled into the top spot on the blueline. While he was dynamite on the powerplay (leading the team in points during his tenure on the Island), he proved almost every game that he was terrible in his own zone and was worst on the team in +- stats. It was clear that he was not top pair quality and those stating that he was a third pair guy were on to something. Nonetheless, he proved a temporary solution on the point on the powerplay.
Grade: C+
Andrew McDonald: He was hands down the best defenseman of the season for this team. With the team lacking a true No. 1 Dman thanks to the injury of Streit, McDonald took the role and made it himself, proving that last year was no fluke and that this team has a great defenseman for years to come. He filled in nicely on the powerplay and improved his point totals over last year. He proved to be a tremendous leader with the ability to make the right plays at the right moments. To add to his list of achievements this season, he took rookie Travis Hamonic under this wing, mentored a smooth transition to the NHL, and together became the team's top pairing all season long. He also played from February on with an injury, emphasizing his determination and commitment to this club. Clearly one of the best players all year long and a great story during a season that was over almost as soon as it started.
Grade: A
Travis Hamonic: Prior to the start of the season, he had been touted as one of the top if not the top prospect on defense. And he proved just that when he was finally called up. In his first game, he practically scored the game winner against Colombus and throughout the season he not only proved himself a capable puckmover with a strong shot, but a tough and reliable presence on the blueline. With McDonald, he created the most reliable tandem on defense. More notable is he never showed any signs of faltering or losing confidence. Many wondered how he'd fare without McDonald late in the season, but even this did not seem to be a problem for this kid. He can only get better and it certainly looks like he will fulfill his promise as a major component of the blueline for years to come.
Grade: A
Ty Wishart: Wishart, a former first rounder, came as part of the trade that sent Roloson to Tampa Bay. During his time in the NHL this season, he proved to be maddeningly inconsistent, showing flashes of immaturity juxtaposed by flashes of upside. He may never fulfill his draft position as a top or even second pair defenseman, but he looks like he could be a nice depth addition.
Mark Katic: He did not play all that much to really create a balanced report, but as may be expected from rookies that are called up early, he looked like a mixed bag. He was solid on the blueline, but would occasionally have lapses that led to bad goals.
Bruno Gervais: Once thought of as a potential cornerstone of the blueline, Gervais has slowly grown into a scapegoat and laughing stock for all that is wrong with the Islanders. He started most of the season as a scratch, but was given a chance as injuries started to mount. I do recall Gordon starting him at the forward position, which led to great jeering from fans everywhere. This season, Gervais continued to prove that he is likely to ever fulfill the expectations that this team had for him and that he will continue to fall down the depth chart as other defenseman move up.
Grade: C-
Jack Hillen: Last season, people had high hopes for Hillen. As the season started, he found himself outside looking in. When he was given a chance, he failed to build on last season's epiphany. However, as the season progressed, he seemed more comfortable and regained the form from last season. He has tremendous speed and is a dangerous threat when he moves in deep into the offensive threat. Unfortunately his joining the rush is a double-edged sword as it leaves back-end exploitable, which has often cost the team. It is difficult to overlook his ability to carry the puck through the neutral zone. Hopefully, he will continue to develop his defensive zone play to better exploit his speed and offensive abilities.
Grade: B-
Dylan Reese: Reese will probably never be more than a depth Dman, and like Gervais his position on the chart will likely drop as others improve and move up. He has done little to hint that he will be a fulltime NHLer. There is one consistency about Reese: he tends to have 1 good game a season. Last year it was against Vancouver and this year it was against the Rangers.
Grade: C
Mike Mottau: I was actually excited to hear that Mottau would be joining the Islanders. He was obviously no replacement for Streit, but it was nice to know that a man who had spent many years in NJ, playing a strong defensive system would be joining the young kids who needed such experience. Unfortunately, Mottau's play proved why NJ had let him go as easily as they had. His veteran leadership was practically negligible and failed to fulfill the expectation of stabilizing the defense corps. It didn't help that he was paired with the Wiz early on, further emphasizing his deficiencies.
Grade: C
Radek Martinek: I don't know why some people don't like Martinek. It is true that he gets injured too often, but when he is healthy, he is one hell of a shutdown defenseman with a pretty good shot from the point. He is often assigned to the top forwards on the other team and usually does a great job. He may be wearing out his welcome thanks to his injury history, but the Islanders should bring him back to help the transition for some of the younger defense prospects that this team has.
Grade: B
Milan Jurcina: Jurcina was one of the underrated players for the Islanders this season. He proved to be one of the better defenseman on this team and he also proved to have a rocket from the point. He has a huge body and knows how to use to well. It is nice to know that he will be back next season to provide some stability on the blueline and to help the take some pressure off the young guys.
Grade: B+
Forwards
John Tavares: The face of the franchise had nice sophmore year. He got off to an unfortunate start with his concussion, but once he came back he had a solid points streak, including a hat trick. However, during the long losing stretch, his numbers decreased tremendously and he was practically invisible for long stretches. It looked like he would have a dreadful sophmore year. Furthermore, it looked like his defensive game had taken a step backwards from the end of last season. However, he turned things around as the team did and went on to have a 16 point February with a +2 rating (and an even better +5 in March with 11 points). His defensive game improved greatly during the second half (he led the team in takeaways) and his offensive ability also started to evolve as he became a threat on a nightly basis alongside his linemates. He was much better at faceoffs this season as well. He also showed better ability on his skates with some flashes of speed. He still needs to work on his defensive game to be the complete player we want him to be and work on his skating. However, judging from his determination and attitude, he will. He also seemed to work harder as the season wore on, demonstrating the leadership that many have expected from him.
Grade: B+
Frans Nielsen: Nielsen was the best all around player on this team. He had his best offensive year of his career and he ended with a +13 on a team with a negative goal differential. Enough can't be said about the fact that he led the league with 7 short handed goals and continued to be dominant on penalty shots (in fact, he was pretty much a lock every single time). He was a leader on this team and helped rookie Michael Grabner develop and acclimate himself to the league. He also established himself as the No. 2 Center on this team, jumping over Josh Bailey. He is definitely Captain material if the team decided to take that route, though it is highly unlikely.
Grade: A
Josh Bailey: As the season started, there was a great deal of hope surrounding Josh Bailey. He had gained strength and many were hoping that his third season would be his breakout season. After 6 points in the first five games in which he looked like a dominant force, it seemed that those hopes would be realized. But then he got an injury and went scoreless for over 20 games. Then the unexpected occured: He was sent down to Bridgeport to work on his game. He was tremendous there and returned looking as if he might finally be back to form. But that illusion was short lived and for the remainder of the season, Bailey remained inconsistent. He still has a strong defensive game, but for the 9th overall pick, the hope is pick a 2nd line center who will be an effective offensive force. He did have to deal with being moved around from center to wing, which may be a part of the problem, but his inconsistency could be maddening. His points totals went down from last season so it represents a step back.
Grade: B-
Zenon Konopka: Everyone knew what to expect from Konopka when he arrived on the Island. He was an enforcer who had a knack for being clutch at faceoffs. He wouldn't score goals and was by no means a playmaker. None of this changed. In fact, not only did he succeed in fulfilling these expectations, but he also proved to be a great locker room presence. He helped rally not only his teammates but also the fanbase. Whether or not he proves to be re-signed is still up in the air. The Islanders may be looking to change the reputation they acquired this season as thugs. Furthermore, we all know that Konopka has no real upside and his growth as a play is likely finished or slim.
Grade: B
Matt Moulson: Moulson had a lot to prove coming into this season. He had to prove that last season's 30 goals were no fluke. A 20 to 25 goal campaign would probably not been considered a disappointment, but he surpassed last seasons 30 goals and 48 points and continued to be instrumental in his aiding John Tavares develop. His reward was a 3 year contract. His skating may not be great, and his defensive game may be flawed, but it does help to know that this team has a bonafide 30 goal scorer to help its franchise player.
Grade: A
Michael Grabner: Grabner went from being an outcast to a vital part of our core. He didn't get off to a hot start, but in February he had a 6 game goal streak and scored a total of 34 goals to lead the Islanders by season's end, 6 of those shorthanded and ONLY 1 of them on the Powerplay. He won the fastest skater competiton during all-star weekend and is now a contender for the Calder Trophy. More importantly, aside from being an offensive threat, he is also responsible defensively and is one of the most complete players on this team. There isn't much to say about Grabner's greatness that hasn't already been mentioned. He became this team's number one headliner.
Grade: A
P.A. Parenteau: There were many groans when fans learned that P.A. Parenteau would be joining the Islanders to play on the top line with Tavares. Early on, it didn't seem to be a smart move as there seemed to be no chemistry between Parenteau and Moulson and Tavares. They were all slow and Parenteau was a career AHLer with 8 points in 22 NHL games. However, as the season wore on, he proved that he was more than capable of holding his own in the NHL and that he was a great addition to the top line. He may not be the long term solution, but he sure has developed strong chemistry with Tavares and Moulson and was just as much a big part of their success this season as they were of his. His 20 goals and 50+ points are proof that he has strong goalscoring instincts and strong play making ability. He is also a strong asset on the power play. If there is something to complain about regarding his play, it would be his defensive game. Like his linemates, this needs to improve if this line is to be as dominant as it is capable of being.
Grade: B+
Blake Comeau: Comeau is a tremendously polarizing figure in Islanders Country, mainly because everyone knows what he is capable of and many times we see him squander those opportunities. Regardless of the infamous COZO (Comeau Offensive Zone Orbit), Comeau continues to improve his point totals from season to season and became a 20 goal scorer this season. His defensive game is decent and he has good speed making him a strong third line player that most teams wouldn't mind having. If he continues to improve the way he has and finds consistency, he could be a consistent 20 to 25 goal scorer year in and year out. He should be brought back at least for another season or two.
Grade: B+
Kyle Okposo: Okposo's injury early in the season was a huge disappointment as he seemed primed for a break out season. His presence was surely missed during the early part of the season when the team was in need of his leadership qualities. He did portray those abilities when he returned, but unfortunately, his offensive game proved to be inconsistent. There were games where he was incredible, but there were many where he just couldn't find a way to finish. Many are starting to question whether he really is as good as many are hoping. Next season will be huge in determining where Okposo is really headed in the NHL and whether or not he is capable of being the power forward we all hope he will be. I am very optimistic for next season, considering that he should be fully recuperated from the injury and that he will have an entire season to play with Nielsen and Grabner, which should be beneficial to his offensive and defensive game.
Grade: B+
Matt Martin: Martin didn't make the team out of camp, which outraged many, including myself, especially when you consider that Gilles was on the roster. He eventually got called up and earned himself a starting spot for the rest of the season. He has yet to prove that he can score consistently like he can in the AHL, but he has certainly proven to play with a lot of heart and physicality. He worked hard every game with the limited minutes that he had. When he was placed on the Bailey-Comeau line, he seemed to open up space for his linemates, creating offensive opportunities. He later lost that spot to Joensuu, though I believe that Martin has the greater upside and his physicality enabled to the other two more skilled players to find the space needed to create. He is still young and will continue to improve.
Grade: B
Jesse Joensuu: It was the hope of many that Jesse's big body would some day lead him to being a power forward in this league. Unfortunately, it seems that Joensuu has not yet learned to use his big body to create space for himself or his teammates, especially when comparing what Matt Martin did on the same line. He is slow and often looks lost on the ice. He may remain as a depth player, but will not be an impact player when this team is ready to compete in the playoffs.
Grade: C
Trent Hunter: It's a shame that we have to hold onto Hunter's contract for another few years. He once looked like a piece of this franchise and is slowly closing all the doors for himself. Next season, I doubt that he does more than play on the fourth line with minimal powerplay time. He was practically a non-factor this season and he isn't getting any younger.
Grade: C-
Michael Haley: Haley became an instant fan favorite during the late February battle with Pittsburgh and unlike the other two players on his line, he is not a single dimension enforcer. Not only is he an excellent fighter, but he has decent speed and the potential for decent goal scorer ability. He may never be more than a fourth line player, but with scoring ability, he is certainly a fourth liner worth having.
Grade: B-
Trevor Gilles: No one can deny that Gilles loves the Islanders and plays for this team on a nightly basis. That aside, it is clear that Gilles is nothing more than a fighter. He possesses practically no hockey sense and is negligible to this team in the long run. Furthermore, he has lost complete favor with the league and is prone to get suspensions for practically no reason. These deficiencies coupled with the Islanders intents on shedding the image of thugs probably means that Gilles has played his last season in Orange and Blue.
Grade: D
Nino Niederreiter: Nino only played 9 games this season in which he scored 1 goal and 1 assist. He often looked slow and unprepared to play. That said, he played hard and looked determined at all times. His play in WHL has assured the fanbase and organization that he has nothing left to learn in juniors and is likely to be playing on Long Island next year and hopefully for many more.
Islanders MVP of the year:
Last year, it was pretty clear that Dwayne Roloson was the top player for this team. However, there is no clear cut winner this year with a few players making their presence felt above the rest.The players considered were there for the majority of the season so some players who played vitals parts later on in the season or early on(like Roloson or Al Montoya) are not considered.
Andrew McDonald: Proved to be a top defenseman, a leader, a mentor, a mule. Deserves that A he wore.
Frans Nielsen: The best two-way player on the team, led the league in Shorthanded goals, plus rating on a team that barely had any plus players, improved offensive output from last season
John Tavares: Led the team in points, including power play points. Improved in every area of his game including his leadership ability as the season wore on.
Michael Grabner: Improved as the season wore on, learning how to use his space to better himself defensively and also make more space for his team. Helped make the PK an offensive threat on a nightly basis. Created at least 1 break away a night for himself in addition to 2 or 3 quality scoring chances. Scored 34 goals and over 50 points in his rookie year.
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Question and comments:
1. What did you base your grades off of? Your expectations? Salary? Touted game/abilities? etc. This will determine if I agree/disagree with your player grades.
Hunter for me deserves benefit of the doubt for now before being called a hinderance. He’s always been a great physical 2-way 3rd liner, even with his lack of speed. And if I recall right, he was playing with a nagging injury(foot?) just about all this season when he was “healthy”. Don’t count him out just yet, he may have a little pleasant magic left in the tank.
MVP for me is a-mac. Proving himself to be one of the best shutdown d-men in the nhl. Broke in hamonic, had a solid offensive year, played tremendous d, played a nice defacto #1 d-man job, and fought an injury or 2. He takes the cake for me.
Other then that, nice work. It was a good read and a lot to take in with you explaning and grading each person.
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Datsyuk IS the best player in the nhl
?????
Roloson gets an A? Bailey gats a B-? Gillies gets an F?
And you say these grades are based on expectations?
WTF were your expectations for these players????
You must have expected Roloson to lose EVERY game he played and expected him to be horrendous, expected Bailey to make Tambellini look like Crosby, and you must expect Gillies to have dozens of goals, all based on- what, exactly?
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by TheMetalChick on Apr 22, 2011 10:25 AM EDT up reply actions
It's friday... and this is one dude's opinion...
He’s not saying that your kid has to go to summer school because he thought he’d be reading Tolstoy, but he’s stuck on Suess.
I’m sure a lot of thought and work went into this… though I am a little confused on who got what in some cases. I tlooks to me like Gillies got a B- and Nino got a D…
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A lot of work and efforty? Sure.
But if he didnt want comments on it he would not have put it up at all. I personally find those grades I mentioned unfathomable.
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by TheMetalChick on Apr 22, 2011 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions
I assumed Nino got an incomplete and Trevor got a D
We need a report card autoformat function.
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I’m sorry that my grades offended you. As I clearly state on the bottom of the article, this entire thing is my own opinion. I didn’t expect people to agree. I just wanted to throw out the opinion and see what other people felt and how in line I might have been with the general consensus. I don’t expect to be right and I do understand that some will find my grades bizarre.
I tried to give an overall opinion on the players so that the grades wouldn’t seem so random. I clearly had a negative opinion about certain players performances based on expectations and overall results. I didn’t give Roloson an A because he exceeded my expectations. I gave him an A because of a combination of factors such as his leadership, his giving the team a chance to win game in and game out. I should have been a bit more specific maybe.
Dont mix up completely disagreeing with being "offended"
They are not the same thing.
Roloson had a losing record as an Islander. It cerainly was NOT all his fault, but the fact remains that they guy kept losing. That doesnt equate with an “A” grade unless you thought he was THAT shitty of a goalie to begin with- which doesnt seem to be the case, so it doesnt equate at all.
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by TheMetalChick on Apr 22, 2011 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Fair enough. I’d like to hear your opinions. Just one last thing on Roloson. He played just as well as he had in the 09-10 season and he was our MVp up until he was traded. He may have had one or two bad games, but his GAA was well under 3, which was even better than the previous season. His SV% was also pretty high. Ultimately, he was doing what he was brought in to do, which was give this team a goaltender that could potentially carry them and give them a chance to win.
And if you look over in that goaltending post
Rollie’s stats kind of bore out. He had very similar numbers here and in Tampa. But his record between the two team’s was vastly different. That speaks to the “lucky” and “unlucky” aspects of the “quality start” metric. I wonder how DP’s numbers would look in TB as far as wins and losses.
Rollie’s speak to consistent netminder and “doing enough to win” pending the teammates. There are very few goaltenders that can carry a team of terrible on their back no matter how well they play.
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by Keith Quinn on Apr 22, 2011 2:23 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Im not making the case that the guy deserves an F...
But to me, an A means you are doing everything, its a grade that by definition cannot possibly get any higher. There is no way Roloson was doing every single thing a goalie could possibly have done.
There are very few goaltenders that can carry a team of terrible on their back no matter how well they play.
I agree- so there are very few that deserve an A.
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by TheMetalChick on Apr 22, 2011 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Well, this I'm not sure about
“There is no way Roloson was doing every single thing a goalie could possibly have done”
Or at least where you and I differ…and I think I am understanding your goalie positions now.
To me, I think Rollie was doing everything ROLLIE could do (not 100%of the time bc who is), but he is not of the skill level to bail out a team like this. If Rollie could have been Tim Thomas (or Tim could have been Tim for is..hopefully you know what I mean), that would have worked better for us.
I guess what I’m saying is that I think Rollie played to his ceiling here and of course had bad games, just not more bad games than I would have expected out of him. If we had Thomas and he threw up Rollie stats I’d be pissed. I’d be pissed if Rollie threw up Lawson stats…but to me, Rollie demonstrated his rollieism. God that probably didn’t make sense…and I’m sober.
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by Keith Quinn on Apr 22, 2011 3:10 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I think in order to give a goalie an A rating he needs to steal games for you. Roloson did more of that last season than this season. Is that a product of the team in front of him? Of course you can argue that. But it still rings true. If what Roloson did really was an A, then we as fans need to have MUCH higher expectations.
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by TheMetalChick on Apr 22, 2011 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Nielsen
What’s his grade? Does the Bailey grade apply to him?
by DP'sknee(andhipandflubugandotherknee) on Apr 22, 2011 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions
His grade is implied by the fact that he's Frans Neilsen.
It’s understood there are no letters or numbers or any combination of them to accurately “grade” him. He’s just Frans Nielsen. Why are you even questioning it?
by Les Beaver on Apr 22, 2011 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
Holy voleks, that's a screen name!
Welcome, DP’s…!
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Signing in
must be a bitch huh?
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by Keith Quinn on Apr 23, 2011 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
lol, rec'd
Proud Islanders fan, the organization that iced the greatest team to ever play the game, whom won 4 consecutive cups. I'm bleeding Blue and Orange.
Let's go Islanders! Beep...Beep...Beep.Beep.Beep.
Datsyuk IS the best player in the nhl
Gotcha, I'll try and do an agree/disagree thing with this when I have a little more time to go through everyone "critically".
Proud Islanders fan, the organization that iced the greatest team to ever play the game, whom won 4 consecutive cups. I'm bleeding Blue and Orange.
Let's go Islanders! Beep...Beep...Beep.Beep.Beep.
Datsyuk IS the best player in the nhl
I picked JT (which surpised me, cause I'm not a JT Worshipper)
because all in all, he was the most valuable player. You want to see him out there, and when he’s there, you know there’s a good chance they’re going to score.
Frans is my favorite, Grabner was HUGE, AMac and Moulson were so solid, but JT seems to take it.
MVP=JT
Nice work Davesy….
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Wow, way to go all out Davesy...
Thanks for this. But HOW COULD YOU NOT GRADE THE ATOs?!?! (I kid.)
Frans gets my MVP vote for this year and last year. That’s rather fanboy of me, but I sincerely think he’s the player without whom this team would have been much worse off in both seasons.
JT needs to hit another level for me before he gets “The Franchise” or MVP tag, but it’s no knock on him that he hasn’t gotten there at age 20. In due time, I hope.
Lighthouse Hockey: Send us your cold, your poor, your healthy goalies.
I went other
for Moulson…Which you will read about soon in our “Islander Awards” piece. In short, solid, max effort, ironman, pretty consistent, called out teammates, dealt with media, 2nd straight 30+g 82 game season. It’s been a while…I could get used to that again.
Disagreed on a few of the grades, but nice job!
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Nice work Davesy
Miko Koskinen gets an INCOMPLETE grade
Trent Hunter also gets an INCOMPLETE
Nino Niederreiter also gets an INCOMPLETE
As for everyone else I could go up or down half a grade on each of them.
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Bailey: The Boeing 787 Dreamliner of the NYI
Meaning, when it gets here, and it WILL get here, it’s going to be AMAZING. Just not yet. Maybe next year – probably next year, but maybe not. In fact, probably not. Most likely the year after that, but again, that’s just a maybe. Closer to a probably, really. But maybe for sure. But it will totally be worth the wait. Probably.
by Les Beaver on Apr 22, 2011 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
It's probably gonna land
in someone else’s airport.
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by Keith Quinn on Apr 22, 2011 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Did you rip off your sunglasses and scream "YYYEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHH" after you said that?
I’ve been thinking the same thing. I think he may be trade bait. Bailey + a First and 2 seconds for Parise?
As long as he
Doesn’t come back and buzz our tower, I’d do that. It depends if Jersey would take that, and I’d like to see some knee reports.
My line of thinking is, would Ullstom or Colliton be that much of a downgrade from Bailey over a full season especially if the Isles shifted the heavy D responsibilities to that line and away from FN-Go so they can more of a powerhouse. At least until another center becomes available(draft/FA) or develops (our system).
MM-JT-ZP
FNGO
BC-Ull-PAP
Although that screws up the Nino thing a bit, you get the point. It looks like we’d probably have to move someone else too…then it starts to become Milburytastical.
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by Keith Quinn on Apr 22, 2011 1:45 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Just thought of a possibly nice trade
To Oilers Bailey (reunite with Hall), to Isles, Theo Peckham 6’2" 235 23yo like 3/10/13, -5 (on the oilers?), 200ish PIMs. Anyone know much about him? I saw some footage a toward end of season an he looked pretty tough. Those numbers really aren’t bad for the oilers.
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by Keith Quinn on Apr 22, 2011 3:23 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Name rings a bell, but I haven't seen him much.
From reading on him, I hear he’s a subpar-average fighter, very physical(~200hits last year), and seems to take a few too many penalties(38minors last year=76pim). The +//- is really nice for him being on the oilers, even if he only played 18.5min/gm, but I have no idea how well of a shutdown game he plays. Obviously has some tremendous size(and plays D) and tremendous physicality, but I have no idea why he is so pim prone with stupid minors, nor do I know if he is capable of playing a solid shutdown d game. Wouldn’t mind him as a bottom pair guy though from the sound of him(he’s a rfa though, no idea if edmonton wants to keep him, but likely since they played him a lot).
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Peckham
The Oilers guys like him okay.
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I didn't realize he had whaled on Old Man Claude Lemieux too
That gives him a signing bonus in my book.
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This subthread...
I swear. It’s why I think, “Do the dishes, or check what’s happenin’ on the site?”
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Sadly, Parise probably isn’t going anywhere, nor would that package come even close to landing him were he on the move.
Open to trading Bailey, but it would sort of be a sell low (hopefully) sort of situation. I think sell high on BC if some sucker takes him.
by AP77 on Apr 23, 2011 1:39 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Yeah, and also let's not trade any 21 year olds unless they are 5'9" 170lb D
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by Bryan2112 on Apr 23, 2011 8:39 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Good work dude. This is a life saver as I am on a five hour bus trip
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by Torch7 on Apr 22, 2011 1:14 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
OT
Is Luongo living up to his yearly playoff CHOKE? Last night he played rather DP-esk like!
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by Russel Ginart on Apr 22, 2011 1:38 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
Getting yanked two games in a row certainly does not bode well for him OR for his reputation in big games.
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by TheMetalChick on Apr 22, 2011 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
He was yanked after the 2nd period
I found it disturbing seeing him on the bench with a “no big deal, I don’t give a shit, so what” look on his face.
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by Russel Ginart on Apr 22, 2011 4:26 PM EDT up reply actions
I saw night 1
And not really much He could do. Ididnt see last night, which I heard was way worse, but still not entirely him. Either way, definitely bad for that to happen 2 in a row.
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by Keith Quinn on Apr 22, 2011 1:47 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Its definitely not just Luongo
the whole teams playing like they dont want to win, theyre just getting dominated in every way
But its not like hes playing out of his mind to keep them in games, he deserves a decent share of the blame
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by Zhora on Apr 23, 2011 12:00 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
agreed
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by TheMetalChick on Apr 23, 2011 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Good analysis...
I think AMac needs to play fewer minutes next season to remain effective. Other D have to step up and stay healthy. I hope we get Martinek back, but unfortunately I doubt he will.
I thought the analysis on Hillen was OK, but I would give him a B+. The fact that no one covers when he rushes the puck into the offensive zone is not his fault. That would be the F3’s (3rd forward into the zone) responsibility and I would not downgrade his rating based on that.
Ty Wishhart
I generally with your grades professor except in the case of TY. I think he adjusted quickly and will make the team next season. There will be room at #7, because Mattou will be sent elsewhere. Then with injuries he will play regularly. His acquisition will be looked on as a steal by Snow.
Wow, this is deep. Great stuff!
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by ICanSeeForIslesAndIsles on Apr 22, 2011 9:02 PM EDT reply actions
I'm going with Z
Unity is not an easy thing to accomplish, especially when you account for the God awful losing streak that the Isles had this year. Z’s attitude, feistiness, inability to dodge a punch seems to have worn off on the rest of the team. Sure Grabs, Tavares, MacD and the rest of the performers has amazing stretches but Z had to step up and infuse some pride into that confidence deficient lineup amongst a historical slump. Not only that but they came out swinging…literally. When a player can garner that kind of spirit out of the most trying times you have to tip your hat and just thank the hockey gods that he is on your team.
The rest of the NHL can call them thugs but we think of them as agents of civil disobedience. Pride comes in many forms and where some can be caustic others can be celebrated. The reason that we can feel good about the Isles’ disobedience is simple, they didn’t throw elbows to the back of helpless players heads, repetitively run players from behind on purpose, or generally exhibit signs of foul play. Whereas other teams will complain about their man-game-lost stat to help ease the thought of their ridiculously abhorrent recklessness the Isles went after teams fist first.
Therefore I must say in Z I trust. The Isles better resign him for the next season or they are going to lose a hell of a lot more than a faceoff specialist.
by metalcoconut on Apr 22, 2011 11:57 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
Finally thinking about it in-depthly, the only grades I really disagree with would be:
-Lawson and Mikko because I didn’t expect much from them(one because of age, the other because of lack of higher end starting goalie skills-imo)
-And Hunter as I stated, because he was playing through a lingering injury and deserves an incomplete for his lack of games played(imo)
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Have to disagree on Joensuu
Not that grade but your explanation for him. The last couple games he looked like it started to click. He was skating better and was making good defensive plays. I’d say he was a disappointment as many thought he’d be able to score goals but overall he might have a spot next year as a depth defensive forward.
Constantly building for the future.
Just a thought, but maybe our expectations were too low
I find it very difficult to give anyone an A, especially on a team that didn’t make the playoffs.
If you expected someone to be OK and they were, does that make them an A or B?
Just a thought
Nice job on the write ups and the post
Post
Thanks for the post. I certainly don’t agree with some of your grades but it at least has us fans discussing the players on our team.
JT = B+ or A- Because he turned his defensive game around.
MM = B Because he is lazy defensively. He needs to work on his skating.
JB = C Good on the PK unit but that is it. He belongs on the cast of Lost in Space.
PAP = B He needs to stop making defensive outlet passes to the middle of the ice. Great on the PP, hits for a smurf but mediocre defensively.
RM = C The glass man stopped hitting much of the season. He improved I guess because he wanted a contract extension.
Katic = Incomplete but the man can fly.
Wishart = Incomplete but he improved during the season and can pass. When he learns to play better positional hockey, improved his foot movement and shoot the freaking puck he will be a keeper.
Gervais = The fifty/fifty man. Half of the time he is okay and then the other half you wonder wtf.

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