Depth Question: The challenge of constructing a durable NHL blueline
The Bruins are down 2-0 in their series with the Hockey Club from Montreal, facing two games on the road. Zdeno Chara played sick the first game and missed the second entirely. Chara is an especially significant case, but any team losing its top defenseman faces the ripple effect challenge: Who steps in to fill his place? (And who steps into fill that guy's place? And then that guy's place ... on down through the lineup.)
Understandably, some Bruins followers are upset that there aren't really impressive D-men ready to step in for the Bruins. I see this among hockey fans quite often. Every time I do, I think the same thing: Easier said than done.
As Islanders fans know all too well, defensemen tend to get injured. Even excluding the three "ATO #55"s the Isles used at the end of this season, the Islanders have used 12 or more different defensemen in each of the past three seasons. Thanks to salaries, the salary cap, veteran expectation, and NHL waiver rules, being prepared to go even 10 deep on the blueline requires threading a lot of organizational and precedural needles. Most teams are left vulnerable because most teams can't afford to carry a happy NHL-caliber defenseman or two in the press box each night -- not to mention the mix of unproven or proven mediocre bodies they have stored in the minors.
The post linked above argues, with some merit, that the Bruins were exposed when the B's left themselves with Shane Hnidy and rookie Steven Kampfer as the next in line. But one of the descriptions gets right to my point [emphasis mine]:
Well Kampfer became a lineup casualty himself by suffering a knee injury during an AHL conditioning stint last week. Nonetheless, he had played his way out of the lineup by making the type of decisions with the puck you expect out of a first-year pro defenseman. And his defensive game is not ready for the NHL playoffs.
Aye, that's the rub. Unless you're a Cup favorite and some fantastic NHL veteran would love to be "just one of the guys" on one last playoff run, which quality defensemen, exactly, want to come into your camp saying, "I want to win that seventh D position."?
Rookie Defensemen are Unpredictable and Mistake-Prone.
What's one option for injury replacements? Calling up prospects from the AHL. Why are prospects in the AHL? Because you don't know what they can deliver. You'd rather them learn the pro ropes in a league where their mistakes don't cost you NHL games.
Sometimes this means you call up Travis Hamonic in the first year of his ELC and discover he's ready to serve. More often it means you're calling on Dustin Kohn or Mark Flood and hoping the injured guys heal right quick.
Healthy Scratch Veterans are, by Definition, Not 'Top Six.'
Bruno Gervais did not spend time in the press box this year because the Islanders just wanted to have a fine NHL defenseman around in case something bad happened. He spent that time because on several nights he was not one of the six best available options. (Note: Gervais also suffered two significant injuries this season, so do not misread his 53 GP as a sign he was healthy scratched for 29 games. A good chunk of that was Islanders Face and another stint at year's end was a foot issue from a shot block.)
When you think about how many blueliners the Isles went through this year -- rookie Travis Hamonic grabbed a role at age 20, Ty Wishart made a case after coming over in the Roloson trade -- being healthy scratched at all says something about the status of Gervais, a six-year veteran of 331 games and still just 26. Granted, injuries forced Gervais to play on his off-side much of the year, but if he were an essential contributor on his natural side, then someone else might have been moved instead.
Whatever you think of Gervais (e.g. "He's a solid depth defenseman and always has been," or "He's in the captain's chair of my nightly scapewagon," or "I used to hope for more but no I'm not sure at all"), all can probably agree that at one time it was expected he would be a regular at this age.
...which might, actually, make him the type of depth D-man teams look for, warts and all. (Another example: Mike Mottau, the defenseman who disappointed many after being signed late thanks to Mark Streit's training camp injury. Mottau averaged 78 games per season on Devils playoff teams the previous three seasons.)
Because unfortunately, you just can't stash outstanding defensemen in the #7 and #8 hole. In times of blueline health but forward injuries, roster flexibility demands you be able to move those guys to the AHL, which means they either must be questionable enough to pass through waivers unclaimed or so green that they don't require waivers at all. Beyond that, we all know that highly qualified NHL defensemen do not take kindly to life as constant healthy scratches. (Hell, even Mike Commodore and his diminished skills couldn't tolerate but a few weeks of it in Columbus before demanding a trade.)
Sometimes, the Problem is Even Higher up the Chart
And sometimes it's not even #7 and #8 on the depth chart that you're worried about -- it's #5 and #6. In last year's playoffs, the Flyers fell into the mode of relying extremely heavily on their top four defensemen. Their top four guys each averaged over 24 minutes per game, while Peter Laviolette did whatever he could to avoid using Ryan Parent, Lukas Krajicek or Oskars Bartulis in meaningful situations, sticking them in the corner like redheaded stepchildren when polite company come over.
Parent, you'll remember, was once a touted 1st-round pick (18th overall, 2005) as a member of Nashville's army of impressive young D prospects. Interestingly, they eventually found him expendable, and so did the Flyers and, implicitly, the Canucks. Parent played four NHL games this year at age 23, despite constant injuries to the Canucks' back line.
So what did the Flyers do to avoid that situation again? They assumed the premium of Andrej Meszaros and the absurd $16 million and four years left on his contract. (Elsewhere on the Lightning castoff shelf, the Flyers also have $1.7 million per year for three more years (including 2010-11) on Matt Walker stored in the minors.) All told, the Flyers have $24 million in cap hit allocated toward their top eight, and of course the bottom two in that chart are Bartulis and "journeyman" Nick Boynton at essentially league minimum wages.
The kicker? Chris Pronger is injured now and seems likely to miss at least the first three games of their first-round series (and I'd bet he misses more). They're better-equipped to withstand that loss this season than they were last season, but that doesn't keep Flyers fans from panicking over the sight of Danny Syvret logging playoff minutes.
Stack Carefully, Hope for the Best
Injuries will happen, so you need to prepare by building depth. But depth is easier begged than done, so doing it right involves a mix of solid NHLers (and luck), veteran fill-ins (and luck) and young prospects who you hope might be able to step up and, if not, who you know at least can be returned to the AHL without losing them. That also, incidentally, costs money.
Occasionally, you have to make a minor league move for a guy like Dylan Reese -- who has both satisfied and disappointed, depending on the day. The Islanders grabbed Reese in a swap of AHLers late last year when Andrew MacDonald was hurt right after they traded Andy Sutton.
Ultimately, this means sometimes you're going to find gems in Andrew MacDonald or (ahead of schedule) Travis Hamonic. Other times, you're going to have to make do with Dylan Reese, Mark Katic or Bruno Gervais -- in whatever trajectories you catch them in their careers.
I'm a big proponent of building team depth at this position to withstand the inevitable injuries. But whether you're a Cup contender of team #26, even with the best laid plans, getting it right to withstand 82 games plus requires a lot of hope and luck.
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Nice article.
I think the isles will be fine this year as long as streit or a-mac or hamonic don’t get hurt. They are the key top 3 d. Then it’s resign marti or replace him through the draft with an nhl ready d-man, or sign/trade for a quality top 4 shutdown guy. Then eaton and juice fill out the bottom 2 nicely. Hillen is a nice #7, Wishart is a nice #8 or throw Mottau in the #8(but hopefully he is #9) and then worst comes to worst, De Haan is #10. The other D are livable as #11+ depth d-men.
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Budget/Trade options
If snow wants to avoid having the same issues he had last year he probably needs to upgrade his budget for defensive help, and that may cost him a prospect and a high draft pick(first two rounds).
There will probably be some options on the trade (already signed budget concerns) market. Otherwise you have to like the position the Isles go into 2011-12 as opposed to the way they faced 2010-11.
They should have a healthy streit, but may not have him at a 2009-10 level.
They will be getting Eaton and Mottau back, but do they improve the team over MacDonald and Hamonic.
A healthy Marty was a + in 2010-11, will he be back, and if so, does he stay healthy again.
Hillen may have improved to his high point at the end of last year… that’s a plus.
Jurcina showed more at the end of the eyar than he did at the beginning… that’s a plus.
The call-ups improved under Capuano probably because of a simplified system. That may make Wishart, Katic, Reese and maybe Klementyev part of the depth corps.
If they can add one top 4 defenseman to that mix I think they could be confident in that part of the team for a while.
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If you start with
Streit
MacDonald
Hamonic
Jurcina
Hillen
…And add injury question marks of:
Martinek?
Eaton? (? because of injury)
Mottau? (same, only worse)
…Then I like Wishart and de Haan chomping at whomever of the above falls by the wayside, with possible room for an investment upgrade via free agency or trade. I think the injury question and challenge is interesting.
You almost need a promising prospect or an underrated and anonymous AHLer to be ready to come up when emergencies happen.
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I agree, adding a reliable top 4 d-man(shutdown) would be money. Preferably a physical one with some size.
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I think they are stacked...................
with 7s and 8s now so if you are talking about a play-off team next season.they need help. Add a very unsure situation in Goal and the solution cries for a big 5 or 6 type Big D that pencils in ahead of a bunch of our present roster. A pik in the draft at # 5 will not get us that. Therefore a trade for a vet D or package or RA is esential to help cut down the GAs. Also don’t be surprised if Snow brings in another Goalie if he wants to make the play offs and DP and or Montoya gets off to slow starts. A long losing streak can kill all hope.
agreed...
Bridgeport should have a fine young crop of defensemen with experience, and in their rookie pool. If you tag two or three of them as “NHL RESERVE READY” (Wishart/Katic/Reese) you can roll the dice with anybody else in the system in a trade for a proven Vet. That may cost you a #1 swap, or a 2nd rounder plus a shit load of cap space. I don’t think they make that trade for a 5-6 guy, but can do it for a RH that would take Marty’s #1 RH spot.
They can also use some of those assets (cap space included) for a top four that might push Hillen or Jurcina into Healthy Scratchville.
One big question will be, how close to his #1 status will Streit be. First of all he is recovering from shoulder surgery, secondly he will be in a revamped system that may place more importance on the defensive and nuetral zones. It will be nice to see what Cappy does with the 3.5 foward dynamic on all three pairs (streit. Macdonald, Hillen).
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ps
Poulin may be the future but the severe injury he sustained may slow his availability and maturation for next season, I hope not.
I'm also in the camp...
…that thinks a one year vet goalie is an important insurance policy thanks to DP’s contract.
Is there an Islander fan still out there that wouldn’t have said adios to Rick if he wasn’t signed for another 10 years? I can’t convey how much respect I have for the guy getting back to HIS highest level, but that level may not help the team get back to THEIR highest level.
I could really see Rick being sent to BPT within the first 20 games if he is 1-5-2 with a 3+ GAA and <.895 Save%. Him being around is probably a roadblock to signing a 20-25 GP goalie that is looking for a chance (Biron in 2009-10). The possibility of being the third wheel is not going to be easy to get around.
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Do we really have anything to lose by sending him down?
It almost seems like the ideal solution to me. Let him get his legs in the AHL, even if he puts up monster numbers, nobody will be willing to claim him coming back up with that contract. If someone claims him than oh well we just opened up a bunch of cap space and can presumably acquire a goalie. If DP struggles in the AHL than maybe he realizes its time to walk away for good.
"It's a good thing the Islanders spent the offseason compiling organizational depth on the blueline. Because, yes, they're losing defensemen almost as rapidly as they're losing games."
Kaberle is proo that there is no such thing as depth
Bruins acquired Kaberle at a significant cost (Toronto will get Boston’s first round pick, prospect Joe Colborne and a conditional draft pick.) and he still can’t step up and replace Chara. Part of this is that Kaberle may have been suffering from Toronto Hall of Fame halo affect were everyone is a Hall of Famer until they are traded and their value plummets, and some of it may be the Bruins inability to perform under pressure. With Kaberle the Bruins were supposed to be two deep at number one defenseman.
The reality is, there just aren’t that many top 4 defenseman to go around and why defenseman on average make more than forwards. We can hope Snow will go out and pull in defensive depth, but he can’t bring in players that just don’t exist. If it cost a first, a prospect and another pick, Snow will still not be getting the defenseman people are hoping for. Its a buyer beware market since it be Bouwmeester that we land in Free Agency.
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"Toronto Hall of Fame" halo effect
No doubt. Or the one guy who felt more comfortable in Toronto than outside of it. His ex-Leaf life has not impressed me.
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Everyone's forgetting something
Yes, we may be in trouble with defensemen. But we still have a top 5 draft pick, and there is a Swede named Adam Larsson. The odds of him falling that far are slim, but the Oilers are likely to RNH, the Avalanche just got a number one young defenseman in Erik Johnson and have a multitude of other problems up front that can be solved by Landeskog, Couturier, or any of the Sea Dogs, the Panthers just took a defenseman high last year, and the Devils have never had a defensive problem, and should probably look for a forward that will entice Parise into staying. That leaves Larsson for us. It’s not likely, but we would finally have a legitimate top 4 on defense.
If you trust Craig Button,
then Larsson would be available to us at 5. And we’d pass on him. So, yea, don’t listen to Craig Button.
by Original Rob on Apr 18, 2011 5:35 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
If you want to see how it's done....
… check out the Canucks and their injury depleted D as they run for the silverware.
There's a mountain of buoyant nostalgia under this team and it's going to erupt like Vesuvius when the Islanders are back in playoff contention.... Count on it.
by Nova Scotia Isles Fan on Apr 18, 2011 9:43 PM EDT reply actions
Long-time lurker, first-time poster
Where does Aaron Ness fit into this? I’d imagine the Isles want him to spend most of his time in Bridgeport, but by adding him (and possibly De Haan and DeHart) into the hierarchy, at what point does the team say they’d prefer to see what the youngin’ has vs. knowing what little they get from a Reese or Katic?
Welcome
Thanks for joining! I really think Ness falls in line behind Donovan and de Haan at this point, but the beautiful think about players at this age is we don’t know; some get thrown into a new environment and surprise. All three of those guys have been in only one setting for each of them the last few years, so maybe the next half season sorts out a pecking order. The Islanders have always sounded high on de Haan though.
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Welcome. I have a very similar view to Dom on this.
Ness is deeper on the depth chart.
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Too many D-men? What to do?
1- Contracted D-Men: (6) A-Mac, Hamonic, Streit, Jurcina, Eaton, Mottau
***Notes: If there’s a perfect #2 (Big & Solid Defensively) to complement Streit via UFA… We can waive Mottau. Someone will be sure to pick him up at 800k. LARSSON WOULD BE A PERFECT FIT!
2- UFA: a) Martinek- He’s just as brittle as Mottau, and Eaton. Why bother, other than he’s the longest tenured Islander.
b) Reese- I’d rather have Hillen.
c) Kohn- Same, I’d rather Hillen.
3- RFA: a) Hillen- My #7 D-man.
b) Wishart- Bridgeport. #8
c) Gervais- Bridgeport #9, otherwise I say goodbye Bruno.
Bridgeport bound? A phone call, and just a drive away:
Katic, DeHaan, Klementyev, Ness, Kessel, Donovan, Camponale, DeHart.
(I’m probably missing about 4-6 more)
by Sal Interlandi on Apr 18, 2011 11:33 PM EDT reply actions
I agree that if you have a surplus, you can waive a guy like Mottau and don’t worry about passing “Go.” I get the sense the team is more oriented to a stance of “well, we have X number of one-way deals, so don’t go beyond that,” but I like the idea of surplus and training camp competition sorting things out.
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tmake a trade
How bout Bailey and next year’s first for Brent Burns of the wild
Minnesota can hold Burns for a nice ransom if they’re out of the playoff picture next season, or sign him. He’s a UFA after next season.
He’s a big boy.
If the wild are willing to part with him? He might be one of the many trade scenarios once the top 4 are picked before us in this year’s draft.
by Sal Interlandi on Apr 19, 2011 9:59 AM EDT up reply actions
Maybe, he is a high end talent, but I think he's gonna cost a lot more then that.
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Matt Gilroy
My nomination for our Blue-line. Decent size, age 26, may be available as a RA. He is in and out of Tort’s dog-house. From North Bellmore, LI. Watch him in the play-offs, and you may agree with me. Worth a #2 pik, or for prospects etc. I’m not in love with our “pile” of Defensive depth. They were not and will not be part of our GA problem, which could keep us out of the play-offs next season.
A former Ranger?
No deals are ever made between these two teams. (2 trades in 41 years)
History shows, that we take younger players they give up on (See P.A. & Montoya) and they sign the older players we don’t want anymore.(Fedotenko, Biron)
by Sal Interlandi on Apr 19, 2011 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions
Too unproven for me. He's not huge and he's not physical. I'd rather start wishart over him right now.
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You can never have too many D men
Apparently
"Playin hurt, baby that don't faze me. I don't got time for pain. The only pain I've got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is!"
"You can't come in my kitchen, kick my dog, and take a box full of ballpoints! Your ass must be crazy!"
I was just about to ask that, Fab.
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by Russel Ginart on Apr 19, 2011 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions
Maybe Dom, is hung over and leaning a bit to the right today.
We are all Islanders, even if we are in Jersey!
by Russel Ginart on Apr 19, 2011 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions
Something happened in Sal's comment above
Usually adding a /i inside carrots (<>) in a comment undoes it, but it’s not happening for me here.
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Maybe its Politics?
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Larsson and then, other options
I agree with some other posters here that Garth should try and draft Larsson, either by him falling into our #5 laps, or by trading up a pick or two. If he has to offer a couple of 2nd rounders and/or one of our plethora of pint-sized puckmovers on defense, then so be it. Should the bid for Larsson fail, Garth may trade down for a couple of mid-first rounders or he MAY in fact take Dougie Hamilton at #5 (which I disagree with here). Or he may trade the pick entirely as part of a package for a current NHL top 4 Dman. Nevertheless, if Garth fails to acquire Larsson, that should kick into gear PLAN B, which should be to acquire a top 4 Dman.
It will be interesting to see how important getting a top 4 Dman is to Garth in comparison to budget and “not trading our prospects.”
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