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(Updated 5pm) Trevor Gillies Suspended 10 Games: News and Reaction Links

Oh boy....

Katie Strang reports via twitter that Trevor Gillies has been suspended 10 games by the NHL for his  (hit from behind/headshot/late hit/boarding) of Cal Clutterbuck in Wednesday night's game against the Minnesota wild at NVMC.  Deb Placey shares via twitter that this will cost Gillies 1/4 of his annual salary and over $100,000 this season.

The duration is not exactly surprising.  In light of Gillies' widely publicized previous suspension, the NHL and Colin Campbell had to escalate the punishment to fit the perpetrator who in this case, was less than one game removed from his previous suspension.  Many may argue that there was a "dirty hit" by Clutterbuck or that this infraction "wasn't that bad", or even that "Clutterbuck wasn't hurt" on the play in question.  None of these things ultimately matter. It was another poor choice by Gillies who has to know that there is a target on his back and that he is being watched very carefully. You cannot hit people in the head.

After the jump, additional links will be posted as they become available.

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The video again for those who missed it:


 

In Gillies, the NHL has its ultimate villain (not undeservedly so).  He can be made an example of at little cost to the NHL while hopefully also sending a message to it's fans and players that they are doing something about headshots and player safety in general.  Gillies needs to re-think his approach to watching out for his teammates or he is going to end up just watching...permanently.

The next step is for the NHL and Colin Campbell to mete out similar levels of discipline for similar offenses going forward.  If this is a one shot (or one guy) deal, then really nothing has been accomplished.  If the NHL can be consistent, there is very little to gripe about.  If not, not only fans but the players should make this their rallying cry going forward.  Is it about the safety, or the appearance?  Is it about the act, or the injury?  Is it about the penalty, or the type of player committing it?  NHL, don't let us down.

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Boo!! but not surprised

I agree the suspension was going to be longer than the last one, there was no doubt

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by Rickfansince76 on Mar 4, 2011 3:51 PM EST reply actions  

Seconded

Everyone knows the Isles can afford to lose Gillies for 10 games. Will the Bruins lose the guy who scored the game-winner last night?

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by Dominik on Mar 4, 2011 3:54 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

That would be

his second offense right at 2:13 is the best view.

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by Keith Quinn on Mar 4, 2011 4:01 PM EST up reply actions  

Second offense in ONE GAME...

he takes a CROSSCHECKING penalty earlier in the game… and that one drove somebody into the boards head first…

You really have to love the NHL.

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by JPinVA on Mar 4, 2011 4:08 PM EST up reply actions  

This is a rhetorical question, I assume

Of course he won’t be suspended. Original Six rules, etc.

by AP77 on Mar 4, 2011 4:05 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Besides

Someone has to protect Son of Campbell.

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by Dominik on Mar 4, 2011 4:13 PM EST up reply actions   2 recs

And if this level of suspension

were handed out on a consistent basis. You can see 5-10 similar hits of similar nature each night watching highlights on the NHL network. Perhaps if Colie were to watch, he might be shocked, shocked! to find headshots in this league.

by 4PeatSake on Mar 4, 2011 4:12 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

I'll disagree right now

It has little to do with the Logo on the front in this case. If Comeau did that he isn’t getting a 10 game suspension. Because it’s Gillies and his situation…Boom 10 games

by Meet Me at the Lighthouse on Mar 4, 2011 6:55 PM EST up reply actions  

Let's see if they review Lucic's crosscheck to Moore's head next

We all know the NHL is laughably inconsistent, even from one day to the next, but if they don’t do something about Lucic delivering a crosscheck to Moore’s head — as third-man in, no less — then we’ll know once again Campbell’s words mean nothing.

“There can be no justification for a player delivering a dangerous check to an opponent in this manner.”

Show it to me, Colie.

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by Dominik on Mar 4, 2011 3:53 PM EST reply actions   2 recs

it wasn’t even just that in last night’s B’s Lightning game either. Everyone has seen the Lucic crosscheck to Moore’s head but there was also Seidenberg crosschecking Ritola in the mouth, Downie slashing Campbell in the back of the head while he was on the ice, St. Louis slew footing Recchi (which is problem the most serious incident since the old man could’ve broken his hip) oh and Lucic with another crosscheck to the back of Ritola again i think (shitty game for him) sending him face first into the boards…guarantee nothing comes of these incidents, however

by Dangles-McDonnybrook on Mar 4, 2011 4:04 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Do you think they'll ignore the whole game?

Yeah, I didn’t see the game — apparently I chose poorly last night! — but I keep hearing there was a lot of awful stuff in that game.

…which brings me back to how incompetent the NHL is at actually trying to legislate this stuff out of the game.

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by Dominik on Mar 4, 2011 4:14 PM EST up reply actions  

oh i definitely believe they just overlook the entire game even though i believe some of the things in that game were worse then what Gillies did

by Dangles-McDonnybrook on Mar 4, 2011 5:06 PM EST up reply actions  

Yea im really surprised

There aren’t headlines about Lucic’s crosscheck on ESPN and TSN. Weird. Gillies even got a few minutes on Pardon the Interuption today. Unreal.

by Born4Goal on Mar 4, 2011 6:33 PM EST up reply actions  

Lucic's even hit him in the face......

with a gloved hand while still holding his stick before he drops the gloves.

by IslesinAZ on Mar 4, 2011 8:23 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

You mean like giving a lax penalty on going after a fan?

I just don’t understand this league and how they rule on punishment, and I don’t think I want to.

All Who Oppose Okposo/Grabner Shall Perish.

by pippup on Mar 8, 2011 9:39 PM EST up reply actions  

I had this in the last thread...thought I'd put it here...

to see what y’all thought….
Clusterfutz should get 2 games for faking an injury…. he played last night and registered 6 hits….
He knew that Gillies wanted more than to jam him through the boards… Clusterfutz has been there before as a PREDATORY OFFENDER. Clusterfutz knows there’s a price tag on his hits… but he doesn’t want to pay it because there’s no cash in his account. HE IS BANKRUPT OF COURAGE…. so he turtles… and figures, "hey, while I’m down here I can grab my head and the refs will shoo that goon away"…. then he gets up and laughs.
Amazingly the same tactic was used by Sean Avery last year when Gillies confronted him… UNFORTUNATELY tangradi appeared to be doing the same thing samwiched between two gutless predatory DOUCHEBAGS… and Gillies is eating 19 games worth of his salary because of it.
Clutterdouch should send him a check.

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by JPinVA on Mar 4, 2011 4:06 PM EST reply actions  

Clusterfutz "plays with an edge"

Different rules for players the NHL wants to trick itself into thinking are good for the game. And with the Bruins-Habs game: that’s called old time hockey. It’s only dangerous when the Islanders are involved… I mean when dangerous hits are leveled.

Hunter said he was just finishing his check.

by Turgeon1992 on Mar 4, 2011 4:54 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

He actually should be somewhere

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by backstop87 on Mar 4, 2011 4:25 PM EST up reply actions  

A big HANDLE-BAR Mustache

should be there somewhere too

by 4PeatSake on Mar 4, 2011 4:28 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

4, 5, 6, 7 - how many goalies would that be?

They had four dressed in gear, which is just awesome and totally symbolic of the season.

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by Dominik on Mar 4, 2011 4:29 PM EST up reply actions  

It's a panoramic

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by NYI_22 on Mar 4, 2011 11:10 PM EST up reply actions  

8, technically, in total.
7 dressed. (-Nabokov)
6 started. (-Martin)
5 remain w/organization. (-Roloson)

So, 5 should be there.

Heard there are only 4- dont know which one was left out, though. I assume either Poulin or Mikko.

Let Us Go, Islanders! (Ever notice how strange that sounds without the contraction?)

by TheMetalChick on Mar 4, 2011 11:27 PM EST up reply actions  

makes sense

Too bad though, its not like Mikko couldnt get here for a picture and then get back to Bridgeport.
Two guys not there for the photo- IMO thats a shame.

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by TheMetalChick on Mar 5, 2011 1:34 AM EST up reply actions  

they’ll probably use a stand-in and then later airbrush (or whatever they call it on computers today) the missing players heads on the stand ins. That’s what teams have been doing for a while now.

by CanadianIsleslifer on Mar 5, 2011 1:44 AM EST up reply actions  

I hope so- that would be acceptable.

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by TheMetalChick on Mar 5, 2011 1:48 AM EST up reply actions  

Correct, Mikko

I saw Al, Poulin, DP and Lawson in the photo.

Lighthouse Hockey: Send us your cold, your poor, your healthy goalies.

by Dominik on Mar 5, 2011 2:37 AM EST up reply actions  

man, the refs are terrible

I can see missing some contact in traffic, but after you blow a play dead for an initial penalty, and all eyes go to that incident, how do you miss Looch’s xcheck to the back of the head? That’s a five-minute major plus intent to injure.

Campbell, I believe, must recuse himself from any supplementary discipline for that because Greg Campbell plays for Boston. If the league suspends Lucic for even five games during the Bruins’ stretch run, then I’ll believe that the NHL takes this sort of thing seriously.

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by mikb on Mar 4, 2011 4:12 PM EST reply actions  

The officiating has reached ridiculous lows.

It’s just awful. You want to let them play, great, I’m all for a fast moving game with no whistles, letting a lot of physical and marginal stuff go. But when it’s an obvious penalty – especially one that could result in injury like Cross Checking or Boarding, dude, make the friggin call. And how many times have the replays just showed the refs WATCHING? That drives me nuts.

by Les Beaver on Mar 4, 2011 4:19 PM EST up reply actions  

Yes siree!

Was it one of the last two Caps games? There is a shot of JT by the goal line in the Caps zone. he gets Xchecked on the back of the head and in the background you can see the REF looking at it, and NO CALL!

by Russel Ginart on Mar 4, 2011 4:22 PM EST up reply actions  

Caps game in the Verizon center with Isles on the PP.

No call and Tavares is cross-checked into the net from behind.

Sarcasm is my permanent font.

by Hockey1919 on Mar 4, 2011 4:24 PM EST up reply actions  

Retaliation is the best course of action

If I were JT the next time I would be in that position after a non-call like that: I would take the wickedest slap shot at the REF and knock his bozo head off, and thern later claim “my aim was off” sorrrrrrry!

by Russel Ginart on Mar 4, 2011 4:28 PM EST up reply actions  

we'll go ahead and call that a terrible idea

Tho I know that you’re tongue-in-cheek here… you never want to give the refs a reason to dismiss your concerns.

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by mikb on Mar 4, 2011 4:29 PM EST up reply actions  

JT should

Cross-check the next guy in the mouth. Sure, he’ll be penalized, but it’s the best way to start making guys think twice about running you. Hate to bring him up here, but people didn’t mess with Messier b/c the dude played with an edge (and went over the edge on more than a few occasions).

by Dorfer on Mar 4, 2011 5:44 PM EST up reply actions  

Totally agree!!

Even on the Messier thing. Many great players got respect also played with and edge (and went over it). It some point when all else has failed you got to take matters into your own hands.

by Russel Ginart on Mar 4, 2011 5:49 PM EST up reply actions  

"Letting 'em play" officiating

That certainly helps the flow, and that’s really where they should do more suspending of players for uncalled offenses. If you get away with it in the game because the ref missed it or was unsure, but the league docks you 5 games upon review, then we might be getting somewhere. You might actually think twice.

Lighthouse Hockey: Send us your cold, your poor, your healthy goalies.

by Dominik on Mar 4, 2011 4:30 PM EST up reply actions  

I always have some empathy for them

One, it’s a hectic game that’s hard to catch everything, but two they deal with constant mixed messages from their bosses.

As long as they’re talked to when they don’t follow the directives above them…

Lighthouse Hockey: Send us your cold, your poor, your healthy goalies.

by Dominik on Mar 4, 2011 4:47 PM EST up reply actions  

The NHL Refs

I just think the NHL officials should be scrutinized like the NFL does with their officials. You perform well and get playoff and Super Bowls games. Like you stated if they don’t follow the directives given to them then they get demoted in a way. No playoffs, no Stanley Cup finals ect..

by Russel Ginart on Mar 4, 2011 4:58 PM EST up reply actions  

I'd agree with that

And supposedly they are. I think another issue is that the head of officiating is not necessarily sending the same signals that the head of discipline is.

And since Campbell never actually explains how one action leads to X games vs. another action that leads to Y games, who on earth really can tell what’s up and what’s down, what’s wrong and what’s wronger.

Lighthouse Hockey: Send us your cold, your poor, your healthy goalies.

by Dominik on Mar 4, 2011 5:13 PM EST up reply actions   2 recs

You would think

An ex-official would hold Campbell’s job…that would seem to be a nice cohesive package. Not an ex-player/son in the league putz.

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by Keith Quinn on Mar 5, 2011 7:22 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

in re: let 'em play

I’ll put on my ref hat for a moment…

I’ve always been told one thing about “let the players decide the game” – if it’s a dangerous play it gets called, period. Bodying up a guy vs. slashing; jockeying in front for position vs. slewfoot and xchecks. (Sounds like a tv show, right? Slewfoot and Cross-check – Wednesdays at 10 pm on FOX!)

But anyway, the incidental stuff is the stuff we let go – a guy trying to distract or annoy his opponent with little stick-on-stick taps, rather than a full-on hack. The non-contact stuff like interference or hooks/holds we tend to call under two conditions: one, it’s wide-open and obvious, or two, it directly stops or causes a scoring chance.

Case in point – on Tuesday I called a game where a guy was clearly beaten by a defensman carrying out of the zone. He raked him a bit with his stick as he went by, and his follow-through put his stick in the d’s feet. He went over, and lost possession to the other team, who had an immediate odd-man rush. I blew that down and gave out two for tripping, with predictable caterwauling. “HE STEPPED ON MY STICK BLADE!” Well, yeah – you stick your stick into the guy’s feet from behind, with no hope of catching up to him, it’s your own fault, right? Sit.

(I was also yelled at because I was the trailing ref, and the lead ref didn’t have his arm up. I’m supposed to get permission from my partner before any call, I suppose.)

But later, same player fighting for space in front of the net? Just keep your sticks down, kids. “BUT HE’S IN THE CREASE!” So? He’s not interfering with the play or the goalie. If he stays there when the shot comes we have a problem, not before.

That’s letting them play… not doing nothing to Milan Lucic for crushing an unsuspecting player in the head. That was tons worse than Gillies’ hit. And we’ll go ahead and add the standard disclaimer here – Gillies caught Clutterbuck high, it was a bad hit, and he deserved a suspension. To go out and paint him as a blender of puppies and summoner of dark forces is ridiculous and undermines credibility. And the league has got to start punishing EVENTS rather than just PEOPLE, and having no clear standard at all is foolish.

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by mikb on Mar 4, 2011 5:25 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

OT: I was going to ask you about this the other day

In the leagues I play and have played in, the reffing is pretty spotty. A lot of late-night games, guys just showing up to get the game over with and take their cash home.

One of the awful trends a lot of them seem to do is call random hooks and trips but then completely ignore dangerous events where someone could’ve been seriously hurt. There seems to be this tendency to meet your quota with a hook here, trip there — and completely ignore the rough stuff until the game starts to get out of hand due to lack of enforcement.

Just wondering if you ever encounter refs who sleepwalk through events like that. It drives me nuts, because people have to work in the morning, yet their spines and knees are literally at risk when that stuff is allowed to go.

Lighthouse Hockey: Send us your cold, your poor, your healthy goalies.

by Dominik on Mar 4, 2011 5:34 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, we see that sort of thing

It’s like all of a sudden the guy remembers that something’s against the rules, and makes the call. He’s correct, of course, but it had no bearing at all on the game and didn’t put anyone at risk. I’ll never forget taking a dump-in, looking up and seeing two forwards coming into the zone ahead of my defense, and covering up. “Move it!” the ref says. I stand back up, the two forwards bear down on me, so I cover it back up. “TWO MINUTES!” Hey ref, what, I’m supposed to just hand it to those guys? It’s not like I was out above the circles or something either. (That guy’s been blowing calls in my various leagues for about ten years now.)

The thing is, on the rec league level and below, the refs are probably going to be about as good as the players. If I could tend my nets better, I’d be trying to earn money in a low-level pro league somewhere… likewise, if the refs were good enough they’d be up there too. So there are always going to be iffy games. I’ve blown calls too, and afterward felt like a moron. The only virtue I can claim is that I really work at it. My main trouble is that I’m a fill-in, I don’t work regularly, so I have to think about things a bit too much.

Fast strikers, give the defenders difficulty!
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by mikb on Mar 5, 2011 10:03 PM EST up reply actions  

Irregular work
My main trouble is that I’m a fill-in, I don’t work regularly, so I have to think about things a bit too much.

Ooh, I’d never thought about that. That’s like me skiing. That would make it tough.

Anwyay, thanks for the thoughts on that. We’ve got a couple of regular Keystone guys; makes me appreciate the good ones all the more.

Lighthouse Hockey: Send us your cold, your poor, your healthy goalies.

by Dominik on Mar 7, 2011 11:48 AM EST up reply actions  

paint him as a blender of puppies

Never had a puppy shake, are they tasty or just nutritious?

Sarcasm is my permanent font.

by Hockey1919 on Mar 7, 2011 12:07 PM EST up reply actions  

Definitely a problem

I really thought they were going to suspend Gillies for more, and while I’m glad they didn’t, I’d almost be happy if they did AND meted out some discipline to Lucic for his work last night as well – at least it would show some consistency, impartiality, cojones, whatever.

What is the f&^ing point? I was really hoping this wasn’t a we’ll-only-send-a-message-when-it-involves-a-low-TOI-fourth-liner-on-a-non-playoff-contender situation, but it just is.

Eddie Dane: How'd you get the fat lip?
Tom Reagan: Old war wound. Acts up around morons.

by IslesFanInNJ on Mar 4, 2011 4:25 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Remember when A-mac got whacked in the face with a stick?

That looked brutal. No call from the refs. No punishment. Nothing.

All Who Oppose Okposo/Grabner Shall Perish.

by pippup on Mar 8, 2011 9:41 PM EST up reply actions  

Not that he didn't deserve the suspension

But until the league is more consistant we have to assume they are silently condoning it in some situations and only really coming down on guys when they are easy targets to pretend like they actually care if people get hurt.

You mean to tell me shooting the puck from 70 feet out doesn't earn us extra goals?

by Anarcurt on Mar 4, 2011 4:35 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

On a cold lonely winter night...

a Scapegoat may just be the solution…or any goat for that matter! Anyone seen my velcro gloves?

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by NYI_22 on Mar 4, 2011 11:13 PM EST up reply actions  

dom

can I add more links to this while people are in here or no?

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by Keith Quinn on Mar 4, 2011 4:21 PM EST reply actions  

Yes yes yes yes!

Have at it. Add more as you see fit, commentary, what have you. Make it a continually updated thing as long as you got the urge.

Lighthouse Hockey: Send us your cold, your poor, your healthy goalies.

by Dominik on Mar 4, 2011 4:31 PM EST up reply actions  

I have no problem with this suspension IF.......

Mr. Colonoscopy would suspend other players as severely for similar actions. The number of concussions in this league is out of control and significantly damaging to the quality of the play (see Crosby, Savard) in the NHL.

by jbranny on Mar 4, 2011 4:30 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

heh, where's his moustache?

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by mikb on Mar 4, 2011 5:26 PM EST up reply actions  

WTF

The game of hockey I learned to love growing up is gone forever. 25 years ago the high low for Gillies crime would have been 2 mins. for roughing. And I would have taken low. This offends my senses.
An aside- THANK YOU Trevor Gillies for doing the job you are paid to do. I hope you are rewarded with anouther contract to make back some of the wages that have been STOLEN from you.

Nearly enough defensemen to last through the injury bug

by since70too on Mar 4, 2011 4:47 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

Recourse?

I agree with the general feeling here that

a) Trevor was being very stupid and deserves another time off for just that;

and b) The NHL is ridiculously inconsistent when it comes to discipline. Dangerous actions should be punished in an even an consistent way.

Unfortunately (b) has become very hard to take. Shouldn’t there be some sort of backlash against this sort of thing? There may in fact be actual laws in either of the two countries against arbitrary rulings within an organization. Shouldn’t someone be looking into this?

by Paumanok on Mar 4, 2011 5:02 PM EST reply actions  

The irony

Clusterfuck threw the exact same hit on Dibo and got nothing.

by Chickendirt on Mar 4, 2011 5:05 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

Clutterbuck's was worse, it was a boarding call and thus, technically, not "headhunting".

Gillies stupidly had his arms raised too much when he should’ve just led with the shoulder instead.

by Fabtraption on Mar 4, 2011 5:10 PM EST up reply actions  

suspension aside (which i don't disagree with)...

what frustrates me most is the vehement ire coming down on gillies from MSM and other teams’ fans. It is painfully superficial. i really think the hatred stems from two basically innocuous things: (1) his screaming at tangradi after being removed from the game (which was insane and did look bad) and (2) his moustache (seriously, i think people see him as more of a goon because of it)

by Icelanders on Mar 4, 2011 5:07 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

That second video

is filled with damning evidence — and context that the national pilers-on miss — but I can’t stomach watching it because of the Pens announcers’ near-complete break with reality.

Great points on all the mismatches of course (Dupuis on Bailey? Rupp on Hamonic? Really?!), meanwhile Errey acts like Haley “sought out” Talbot for a mismatch for poor Maxim when in fact Talbot pulled Haley out of the pile.

Then that Grabner hit…and the first thing they think is that “Johnson and Letang” are hurt. Yep. With brilliant play-by-play narration like that, it’s no wonder so many people are clueless as to how that night really went down.

Lighthouse Hockey: Send us your cold, your poor, your healthy goalies.

by Dominik on Mar 4, 2011 5:30 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Can you help my wife with the window treatments at our house?

I just love teh way you can find jersey relevant material in my demonstration of utter madness… +1

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by JPinVA on Mar 4, 2011 6:27 PM EST up reply actions  

It's just a clear difference between last year and this year.

We not only look better on the ice, but we…look better on the ice!

by Fabtraption on Mar 4, 2011 9:51 PM EST up reply actions  

The difference is so stark I already forgot JT played in the RBK piping uni

I think it’s because I hated the RBK jerseys (or at least hated how far short they fell) and also because JT’s first game was in the then-3rds, but I already have him as exclusively part of this restored era.

Lighthouse Hockey: Send us your cold, your poor, your healthy goalies.

by Dominik on Mar 5, 2011 2:39 AM EST up reply actions  

I'm always reminded of the Reebok jerseys

I use an Islanders table tray located near my computer. The table tray is designed to look like the Reebok jersey.

by Dougtone on Mar 4, 2011 10:36 PM EST up reply actions  

Martin v talbot (TURTLETOWN) Martin gets four games for slapping him… no injury… FOUR GAMES

Maybe if Martin would have manned up and fought Talbot face-to-face this whole situation wouldn’t have happened. Lucky for Talbot he did duck the sucker punch Martin tried to land. Had he not, he would have been taken off on a stretcher and quite possibly had his career ended. (see. Bertuzzi/Moore)

dupios v bailey (how many fights has josh bailey been in… but he didn’t go to turtletown

Really that’s a mismatch? Dupuis has fought a total 0 times since being traded to the Pens 3 seasons ago.

then haley gets up lfrom his altercation where he dropped Talbot and as he’s skating to the exit engages with Johnson

Was he really skating to the exit or just skating around to find someone else to fight? I know the answer to that question and if you watch the video you can clearly see the answer too.

by StripesForLife on Mar 4, 2011 6:24 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Martin let up, that is clear, he then tried to grab Talbot and he turtled. Had Talbot stood up and fought him, Martin likely does not get suspended at all.

maybe if Johnson stayed in his damn crease nothing would have happened. Johnson wanted that fight and some would even say he provoked it. Add to that, Godard coming off the bench and you have 2 pens pounding on 1 Isles player with no punishment for Johnson or Bylsma.

Godard jumping off the bench and 2 Pens players pounding on 1 Isles player is the textbook definition of “losing control of your players”, but Colon decided to only call out the Islanders for losing control. Pretty pathetic and one-sided if you ask me.

James T Paulson

by Jtpdolphins2009 on Mar 4, 2011 6:33 PM EST up reply actions  

Johnson may have provoked it. And there’s no denying Goodard shouldn’t have been suspended, but how was Haley allowed to get off the pile and even skate anywhere other than the dressing room or the penalty box. The referees blew that one. Besides, it’s an unwritten hockey rule that skaters don’t fight goalies. Why do you think Johnson KO’d Dipietro in the first place? The Penguins had enough common sense not to take advantage of a goalie.

by StripesForLife on Mar 4, 2011 6:53 PM EST up reply actions  

then would that not be the fault of the 4 officials in the game?

How does not 1 official escort Haley off the ice after his 3rd fight of the game?

That was a huge mistake by the officials that allowed that whole incident to happen.

James T Paulson

by Jtpdolphins2009 on Mar 4, 2011 6:55 PM EST up reply actions  

to add, all Haley did was oblige Johnson

If the written rule is you don’t fight goalies, than Johnson should not have been provoking a player, he was out at the blueline. He should have stayed in his damn crease where he belonged.

How he did not even receive a penalty for his actions is beyond me. You guys got off easy, Bylsma should have gotten the mandatory fine and suspension for when Godard left the bench and the NHL waived it for them. Must be nice to be a fan of one of the “golden teams” in today’s’ NHL

James T Paulson

by Jtpdolphins2009 on Mar 4, 2011 6:59 PM EST up reply actions  

and goddard should have got the mandatory third man in. Two man slugging away on one? what the hell kind of crap was that? and goddard got nothing for it? and why did johnson not back off and let haley fight goddard one on one? there were at least three examples where somehow, pittsburgh got away without the “mandatory” penalty.

If the NHL was trying to send a message they have. Gillies is probably done as an NHLer Goon b/c goons can’t protect their players anymore. The message to the Isles is:

Isles must recruit, draft and sign Thugs of their own, to protect our players.

by CanadianIsleslifer on Mar 4, 2011 11:29 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

should have got the mandatory third man in. Two man slugging away on one? what the hell kind of crap was that? and goddard got nothing for it? a

It was hard enough giving him the mandatory 10G, dont you realize how much that hurt them to do that?

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by TheMetalChick on Mar 4, 2011 11:32 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Exactly...

An arbitrary Kangaroo court where there is no consistency, and every time they actually look at a case it is only when media react, otherwise, nothing.

by CanadianIsleslifer on Mar 4, 2011 11:39 PM EST up reply actions  

agreed

Why the referees are too good to break up fights is beyond me. When games get out of hand like that one, 5 fights is too much for 2 linesmen to break up.

by StripesForLife on Mar 4, 2011 7:01 PM EST up reply actions  

I am not condoning what Gillies did when he taunted Tangradi

that was inexcusable in my book, but the NHL made it like the Islanders were the only team responsible for that whole situation that night. In fact it was the Penguins; who after being down 6-0; that started it all by taking shots at Islanders players after every whistle.

It takes 2 teams to make 346 penalty minutes, not just

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by Jtpdolphins2009 on Mar 4, 2011 7:04 PM EST up reply actions  

Any game that’s a blowout will have the chippiness after the wistle. It does take 2 teams to get 300+ PIMs, but when you have guys like GIlles and Martin who weren’t in the lineup to score goals. It’s easy for someone to see what the Islanders were trying to do.

by StripesForLife on Mar 4, 2011 7:11 PM EST up reply actions  

Martin was in the lineup the entire time and for a good portion of the season after injuries

and he has the ability to score goals, Haley is more than just a fighter too

Gillies I agree with, but lets not pretend the Islanders are the only team who call up those kinds of players when they face certain teams.

James T Paulson

by Jtpdolphins2009 on Mar 4, 2011 7:20 PM EST up reply actions  

Why were

and are Godard, Rupp and Asham, Engalland, in the Pittsburgh lineup? The pens have 8 guys in the lineup with over 100 PIMs. I mean if you’re going to go that route, Don’t you think Gillies, Martin, Konopka, Haley are equal to those four. There’s probably a goal differential of 2 on the season.

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by Keith Quinn on Mar 4, 2011 7:27 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Shit sorry,

it is three with a couple of guys in the 80s…I was looking in the blocked shots column…but the point still stands. I think goon for goon, the talent matchup is damn close.

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by Keith Quinn on Mar 4, 2011 7:31 PM EST up reply actions  

3 or 4 does not matter

your point was well taken

Pens lead the league in fighting majors, so they are the last that should get bent out of shape about what went down.

James T Paulson

by Jtpdolphins2009 on Mar 4, 2011 7:32 PM EST up reply actions  

The Pens have the most penalty minutes in the league. They lead the league in minor penalties. Godard was in the lineup for the same reason Gillies was in the lineup. Rupp is more skilled than any of those other guys you mentioned and has been in the lineup every gaem this season. He has outscored all of those guys combined this year. Same with Engalland he used to be a 6/7 defensemen, but he has proven to be a quality defensemen who, like it or not (I personally don’t) leads our team in fighting majors. Asham was not in the lineup.

Equal talent level? I think not. The Penguins don’t have goons on the team (with the exception of Godard, who isn’t a goon, but doesn’t provide value).

by StripesForLife on Mar 4, 2011 9:42 PM EST up reply actions  

Evidently

you don’t recognize a goon. Rupp sucks, we had Asham, he can play a bit, Martin for us has been in the lineup all season and is 21, Haley was leading our minor league team in goals at the time of his call up, and Konopka is on our PK and has won almost 60% of his faceoffs this year. You play the team you have.

Now your obviously just being a homer if you’re going to tell me Godard has any redeeming hockey value. Please, he elbowed Hillen and gave him a concussion (unpenalized) in that game.

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by Keith Quinn on Mar 4, 2011 10:32 PM EST up reply actions  

And Martin was a top five scorer for Sarnia, and never even got a chance to become a goal scorer in teh AHL because the Isles don’t have anybody better…

You’re making a lot of sense there.

If Hamonic is a 20 year old that doesn’t want to be touch on the ice, then he should have just signed up for women’s hockey.

by StripesForLife on Mar 4, 2011 9:47 PM EST up reply actions  

Hamonic has no problem mixing it up

He’s just more valuable for his hockey skills

You mean to tell me shooting the puck from 70 feet out doesn't earn us extra goals?

by Anarcurt on Mar 5, 2011 12:07 AM EST up reply actions  

who's making sense now?

i didn’t see hamonic go to turtle town…he stood and fought…so did bails. if he wanted to sign up for women’s hockey, he’d be playing in pittsburgh. we ought re-name the team the pittsburgh turtles. as for matt martin, he can score (2 goals in philly last week), but that’s not his role on this team, physical play is. kind of hard to score when your linemates are konopka and gillies (no knock on either of them , just facts of life). crawl back into your little igloo and let the intelligent people talk hockey.

by isles in arkansas on Mar 5, 2011 12:19 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

just to show how stupid Pittsburgh fans are...

Igloos are the snow houses that Inuit invented. There are no penguins in Inuit lands. Wrong pole there Pittsburgh.

by CanadianIsleslifer on Mar 5, 2011 1:27 AM EST up reply actions  

media called the arena that

Because it looked like an igloo.

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by mikb on Mar 5, 2011 10:08 PM EST up reply actions  

Not that I didn't think Travis was worth defnding...

just had enough of the troll…
And I obviously agree with Hammy not going to Turtletown… I love that kid!

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by JPinVA on Mar 5, 2011 1:34 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Thanks for trollin' by...
Maybe if Martin would have manned up and fought Talbot face-to-face this whole situation wouldn’t have happened. Lucky for Talbot he did duck the sucker punch Martin tried to land. Had he not, he would have been taken off on a stretcher and quite possibly had his career ended. (see. Bertuzzi/Moore)

Maybe if Maxene answered the bell they wouldn’t have had to chase his ass around the rink… how come you didn’t comment on the Hamonic Rupp fight… mighty selective of you…
Nothing about Johnson continuing to pound on Haley even after Godard allowed him to SKATE AWAY…
Fight the whole fight! or just go back to TURTLETOWN!

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by JPinVA on Mar 4, 2011 6:36 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Talbot said in the post-game interviews nobody every asked him to fight. He said he was shocked when somebody came up from behind him and tried sucker punching him. He’s not the type of player that will back down to anybody.

by StripesForLife on Mar 4, 2011 6:55 PM EST up reply actions  

and Clutterbuck said that Gillies was headhunting him

what the hell do you expect him to say?

“Oh well I was asked to fight but I turtled because I am a chicken?”

James T Paulson

by Jtpdolphins2009 on Mar 4, 2011 6:56 PM EST up reply actions  

that's not what blake comeau said...

… and if blake was lying I’d think that Maxene would go seek him out.
Blake basically called him out in the papers… and I think the Haley-Adams thing started because Haley asked him to dance already. That was the general concensus…

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by JPinVA on Mar 4, 2011 7:02 PM EST up reply actions  

Why would Talbot seek out Comeau? All Talbot did was lay a clean body check on him. Comeau can say all he wants in the papers. I garauntee you Talbot could care less what he says.

by StripesForLife on Mar 4, 2011 7:05 PM EST up reply actions  

I think for most of us

All we want is for the league to punish more consistently. Again, if you are going to make an example of how the Islanders lost control that night, then the league needs to address the fact that the Pens were the ones who started taking runs at Islanders’ players after the whistles. It was also a Pens player who left the bench to get involved in an altercation

Islanders got suspensions and fines and they deserved them, but the Pens deserved more of a punishment than what they got.

James T Paulson

by Jtpdolphins2009 on Mar 4, 2011 7:12 PM EST up reply actions  

Do you even know what a predatory hit is...

man, they look nice… but the NFL has already manned up and suspends players for games because of them… The NHL just put in a few more filters so they could be even more subjective.
Look at what Clutterbuck in that game TWICE… of course you wouldn’t know what a predatory hit is… you cheer for Matt Cooke.

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by JPinVA on Mar 4, 2011 7:13 PM EST up reply actions  

And of course...

Cluttercrap, being a repeat offender, was obviously targeting DiBi. A kid only in his second game. I personally don’t believe Dibi will make it as a pro hockey player, but no objective person can say Cluttercrap wasn’t targeting him that game for something. He went after him with intent to injure more than once. There was obviously some personal beef there, perhaps from their days as junior teammates.

by CanadianIsleslifer on Mar 4, 2011 7:38 PM EST up reply actions  

It wasn’t penalized. He wasn’t suspended for it. You could say I don’t play hockey, because I think it was a clean hit…But your also saying nobody in the NHL offices has ever played hockey then either.

by StripesForLife on Mar 4, 2011 9:49 PM EST up reply actions  

the fact that the league offices did nothing for that hit

proves our point exactly

That was not a clean hit, and should have at least gotten a penalty.

James T Paulson

by Jtpdolphins2009 on Mar 4, 2011 9:55 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

In what way was it an illegal hit? It was from the side, shoulder-to-shoulder. The worst part is the whiplash that he got because he didn’t brace himself. Pick you head up and that wouldn’t happen.

by StripesForLife on Mar 4, 2011 10:02 PM EST up reply actions  

pick your head up?

we could say that about most head shot in the league then right?

fact is he hit Comeau from the blindside, it was borderline at best and put him out for several games.

We just want our players protected the same way Clutterbuck, Tangradi and Turtle Talbot were when Islanders were suspended.

James T Paulson

by Jtpdolphins2009 on Mar 4, 2011 10:05 PM EST up reply actions  

Yes and No. If you have your head up you will see what’s coming. But that still can’t stop somebody like Lucic last night who goes directly for someones head. Moore didn’t have any chance to defend himself even when he sees it.

by StripesForLife on Mar 4, 2011 10:26 PM EST up reply actions  

and yet Lucic will get no suspension

Most of us on here have not every condoned what Gillies did or complained too much about the Islander suspension from what happened that night against you guys

We just want the punishments to be consistent across the board, and it clearly is not.

James T Paulson

by Jtpdolphins2009 on Mar 4, 2011 10:30 PM EST up reply actions   2 recs

Lucic will get suspended,

by StripesForLife on Mar 4, 2011 10:31 PM EST up reply actions  

he better

but the fact that the media did not even mention this because of what Gillies did is very disturbing

what Lucic did was worse than what Gillies did

James T Paulson

by Jtpdolphins2009 on Mar 4, 2011 10:32 PM EST up reply actions  

I doubt it

Let Us Go, Islanders! (Ever notice how strange that sounds without the contraction?)

by TheMetalChick on Mar 4, 2011 10:47 PM EST up reply actions  

NHL is going down a dangerous road

and I would not be shocked if someone is either paralyzed or killed by one of these dirty hits.

James T Paulson

by Jtpdolphins2009 on Mar 4, 2011 10:48 PM EST up reply actions  

what about the Tavares/Letang incident?

Letang was wacking at JT and then shoved him into the boards; the officials did nothing until JT retaliated.

Here is a hint to the NHL, call the initial infraction and you will see a lot of this go away

James T Paulson

by Jtpdolphins2009 on Mar 4, 2011 10:07 PM EST up reply actions  

That happens every game to every player. Just because Tavares got slashed the whole world shouldn’t stop.

by StripesForLife on Mar 4, 2011 10:24 PM EST up reply actions  

Letang slashed him 3 times and then shoved him into the boards

usually there is a penalty called by the 3rd slash

the officials did nothing

James T Paulson

by Jtpdolphins2009 on Mar 4, 2011 10:26 PM EST up reply actions  

Usually. But I’ve seen more than that and no penalties have been called.

by StripesForLife on Mar 4, 2011 10:29 PM EST up reply actions  

which to me speaks to how bad the officiating is

James T Paulson

by Jtpdolphins2009 on Mar 4, 2011 10:30 PM EST up reply actions  

I broke out

the ban-hammer on this guy. Tired of reading his shit. He’s an idiot who thinks he’s being relatively intelligent or diplomatic…but really he’s just regurgitating every bit of nonsense he’s either heard on TV or from other fans. Everybody should be responsible for their actions except Pens players…in which case, you should keep your head up.

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by Keith Quinn on Mar 4, 2011 10:38 PM EST up reply actions   2 recs

It's about time!

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by JPinVA on Mar 4, 2011 11:10 PM EST up reply actions  

Amazing isn't it

I mean, in the last two years of us getting the shit kicked out of us, were we over at other blogs starting crap?

That isn’t an idea! Just an observation!

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by Keith Quinn on Mar 4, 2011 11:13 PM EST up reply actions  

Its crazy.

Ive never before seen the amount of trolls here that have been invading this season. I guess part of it is how popular th site has gotten, but another part of it is the Isles themselves. Unfortunately, there will be a lot of indignant fans as they all start to realize the Isles are no longer an easy 2 points.

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by TheMetalChick on Mar 4, 2011 11:30 PM EST up reply actions   2 recs

rec'd

any clutterbum has yet to be called to the mat by media for his repeated predatory hits – I’d like someone in the media to ask clutterbum why he kept targeting a kid like Dibi who only played two games? There is obviously some beef there, and it is part of the story. I noticed too, clutterbum’s nonsense was after Minn already lost the game…same as Pittsburgh. Goddard started the fighting, after score was 3-0 Isles.

by CanadianIsleslifer on Mar 4, 2011 11:33 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

That pretty much sums it up...

my thoughts:(list warning)
1. I don’t mind folks coming over to chat hockey… this is an awesome crew that can definitely defend an idea… and most folks that visit are funny and thought provoking…MOST.
2. This is literally the best site on SB for hockey… I like Quisp and few others but Dom and the boys pump out more valuable info on this team than EVERY OTHER SOURCE COMBINED…MSM and BLOGGERS included.
3. What an awesome COMMUNITY. It’s almost a year for me and nobody’s called me an a-hole yet. I can’t even get that kind of respect at Christmas dinner.
4. CROWD CONTROL… if we’re not policing ourselves, the boys are stealthily removing foxes from the henhouse. BUT NOT REMOVING AN IOTA OF VALUABLE CONTENT…
5. The team obviously has a lot to do with it… this year has had it’s share of THE GOOD THE BAD AND THE TYLER KENNEDY.

TYLER AS A BABY

MASTERFUL WORK MY FRIENDS!!!

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by JPinVA on Mar 5, 2011 1:30 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

You know what

people here didn’t even get nasty with each other during TEH STREAK…that says something. And this:

It’s almost a year for me and nobody’s called me an a-hole yet. I can’t even get that kind of respect at Christmas dinner.

Where I’m from, being an a-hole is a compliment. In my family if my brother calls me that, the response is “I know”. Nothing wrong with having a strange evil sarcastic streak! My sister actually created “The A-Hole Olympics” which is an annual summer get together with lots of food, alcohol, lawn games and A-Holes. My cousin NYI_22 can vouch. Great times. Embrace your a-holishness.

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by Keith Quinn on Mar 5, 2011 8:40 AM EST up reply actions  

That sounds fantastic

Like a cousin of the Playa Hater’s Ball, but with more casual clothing.

Lighthouse Hockey: Send us your cold, your poor, your healthy goalies.

by Dominik on Mar 5, 2011 6:20 PM EST up reply actions  

Thank you!

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by Keith Quinn on Mar 5, 2011 7:43 PM EST up reply actions  

You're all assholes

and can suck my balls.

(Puts the Cartman in my head away).

Somebody had to do it.

Now I can die and go to hell with confidence.

by Chickendirt on Mar 7, 2011 10:12 AM EST up reply actions  

Also

even in the game right after the massacre on the Island, one of the Sabres players (think it was Sekera), LEFT HIS FEET to hit an Islander player in the head.

If you are going to make an example out of Gillies because you want the hits to the head out of the game, than how does Sekera not even get a penalty for his hit?

Why did the league not review that hit and maybe suspend him after the fact?

Why has there been no mention whatsoever about what Lucic did last night?

James T Paulson

by Jtpdolphins2009 on Mar 4, 2011 10:10 PM EST up reply actions  

I'll tell you why

b/c the NHL is reactionary to media. The fact they generally go after the retaliator, and rarely if ever bother with cases that don’t garner media attention proves this.

by CanadianIsleslifer on Mar 4, 2011 11:22 PM EST up reply actions  

If you’re talking about the Cooke hit on Savard, yes. That was before the new rule was instituted. But it was definitely a head shot and likewise was punished. But you can’t cut across the middle of the ice with your head down and not expect to get hit. It just so happened Cooke was the one who lined him up and everybody knows he doesn’t always play a clean game.

by StripesForLife on Mar 4, 2011 10:21 PM EST up reply actions  

he was not punished

he received no fine or suspension. Campbell said since they were instituting a new rule the the following season there was no reason too. And for that Savard’s career may well be over, at the very least he will never be the same player he was. It’s a shame that the NHL allows stuff like this to happen. I’m sure you can relate now with Crosby on the shelf.

by 54_Fighting on Mar 5, 2011 11:58 AM EST up reply actions  

What about Staal's sucker punch on Brandon Prust...

numb nuts colon decided Prust faked or exaggerated? show me what degree colon has that certifies him as a doctor. Staal should have been suspended, they way Prust fell was far more dangerous than Martin on Turtle Talbot. Again, media didn’t pick it up and blast league, so the old boys club ignored it.

by CanadianIsleslifer on Mar 5, 2011 1:31 AM EST up reply actions  

Check his email..

he has an online degree from ACME…

meep meep!

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by JPinVA on Mar 5, 2011 1:36 AM EST up reply actions  

And I promise you..

Talbot would shit in his skates at the thought of fighting Martin.

by CanadianIsleslifer on Mar 4, 2011 7:40 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Bull. Talbot is a middleweight at best and it was obvious he was asked to answer the bell for his cheapshot. If a hit to the head is nine games first offense. No problem. 10 second offense – no problem. But apply same rules to every single player. The fact that this crap happens in games every night and nothing is done unless media react – and then only the cases where media have reacted – it shows what a joke NHL is. You can’t say this about any other major prosport.

by CanadianIsleslifer on Mar 4, 2011 7:35 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

I bow to your awesomeness!`

Rec’d like Maxime’s reputation when his wife sees this video of him and Sean Avery.

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by JPinVA on Mar 4, 2011 11:20 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

that is HILARIOUS!!!!

love the photoshop skills metal chick… and the talbot & avery video….i wonder who’s the butch and who’s the bitch????

by isles in arkansas on Mar 5, 2011 12:31 AM EST up reply actions  

Is this a joke?

Martin not wanting to “man-up” and fight Talbot? LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

Martin would destroy Talbot in a fight. Which is why Talbot cowars. We need to go back to the way it was in the not so distant past. There is no respect anymore. Get rid of the instigator penality – or call it what it really is – a retaliation penality – and force the thugs to man-up. Goons are not the problem, it is the thugs who now think they are tough, going around deliberatly injuring players, and not having to answer the bell for it. In the old days, no one, not even your own teammates would respect thuggery. Today, it is far too common. Have your opinions, but keep it real. Talbot wouldn’t even be in the league in the not too distant past. Third or fourth line talent at best, not a fighter at all. No role in NHL for thugs, guys like Talbot, Cooke, and the repeat offender Cluttbutt (yes, Steve Ott attacked him and beat the crap out of him for the same intentional attempt to injure Brad Richards.) The NHL is a bush league. Evidenced by the fact that last night, NO ONE – NOT ONE SINGLE PERSON – BE THEY FAN, OFFICIAL, MEDIA ETC., COULD SAY WITH ANY GUESS WHAT GILLIES WOULD GET.

by CanadianIsleslifer on Mar 4, 2011 7:32 PM EST up reply actions  

Very well said......

Listening to these clowns in the media saying teams need players with sandpaper. Basically playres that have no accountability in their actions. They have no fear of getting into a fight because they know they do not have to.

by NHL fan on Mar 4, 2011 7:43 PM EST up reply actions  

Great thought...one problem...
In the old days, no one, not even your own teammates would respect thuggery

If that was true Philly wouldn’t have been able to ice a team.

What about the most respected Flyer of all time…

Clarke’s line played against the line of the Soviet’s top player, Valeri Kharlamov, during the entire series.6 After being on the receiving end of some stick work from Kharlamov while going for the puck,6 Clarke caught up with Kharlamov and laid a two-handed slash across his already sore ankle.6 The slash broke Kharlamov’s ankle21 and, though he finished the game, he missed the seventh game and was largely ineffective in the eighth.21 When asked about the slash years later, Clarke said, “If I hadn’t learned to lay on a two-hander once in a while, I’d never have left Flin Flon.”

…and that is from a very pro-clarke wiki article about the summit series… I was a little young for that, but most recollections were that clarke was told to take Kharlamov out… and he did.. end of story. The flyers based their whole being on THUGGERY… and still they wait for another cup… Lavy may finally have gotten through to them… because Bobby Ny at 7:11 of OT sure didn’t.

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by JPinVA on Mar 4, 2011 7:49 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

That's a well known Canadian Story, but also an extreme example.

Coach told him to do something about Kharlamov, but didn’t say break his leg. I always said no way Bobby Clarke plays that tough without all the broad street bullies behind him, but Clarke would still drop the gloves. And after Philly won those two cups, the rest of the league adapted, bringing in their own goons and that was the end of that. The NHL is currently adapted to thuggery, and I believe that is obviously why such incidents are far more common – even part of the game today. Case in point, if you ever laid a Lucic cross-check on Gretzky – you’d have to be benched for your own protection. In Pittsburgh’s case, I think it obvious that some players will do like Cooke, and return the favour silently (verbally thinking). In other words, forget the thug who won’t man up, nail Pitts stars back. So yes, I am saying some of those cheapshots on Croby were direct retaliation for cheapshots on other teams players from Pitts thugs – and I don’t think it has gone unnoticed what Pittsburgh has done the last few years, filling their roster with a high number of thugs and goons.

by CanadianIsleslifer on Mar 4, 2011 7:57 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Bingo!

Case in point, if you ever laid a Lucic cross-check on Gretzky – you’d have to be benched for your own protection.

by Dorfer on Mar 4, 2011 8:22 PM EST up reply actions  

Once again....well stated....

The Flyers were the extreme and the rest of the league caught up to them. Gillies, Howat and Nystrom leading the charge.

by NHL fan on Mar 4, 2011 8:58 PM EST up reply actions  

I totally agree...

… about Clarke and the rest as well. What I was trying to say about Clark was THAT, exactly… and he took that attitude with him to Philly… My only point was that IN THE GOOD OL’ DAYS there was a team that loved their reputation because one was worse than the other. It was not the norm, but the exception to the rule.
They created a culture in Philly (or vice versa) that is still there in their pro sports team… and not so sure that Temple didn’t have a little bit of it too.
They IDOLIZE a guy who drowned dogs in his backyard for fun. case closed.

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by JPinVA on Mar 4, 2011 11:33 PM EST up reply actions  

F**ing AWESOME JP

ENTER AT YOUR OWN RISK!!!! Oh yeah, beware of the nasty Isles!!

by Russel Ginart on Mar 4, 2011 6:37 PM EST up reply actions  

Policy = round up the usual suspects

One more thing: Sean Hill – only steroid suspension ever. REALLY????!!! Nobody else ever tested positive.

by 4PeatSake on Mar 4, 2011 5:31 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Rec'd. This is my view on the situation.

Proud Islanders fan, the organization that iced the greatest team to ever play the game and won 4 straight cups. Best overall player in the nhl right now=Pavel Datsyuk.
I'm also an optimistic Knicks fan, pessimistic Mets fan, and a happy Jets fan.

by OzzyFan on Mar 4, 2011 8:27 PM EST up reply actions  

Gillies

Clutterbuck is big enough to play like a man, but refuses to do so. Reminds me of Lapierre in the playoffs last year. The Islanders need a real, legitimate heavyweight who knows how and when to pick his spots. Gillies sense of timing is bad. The head shot was unnecessary. He should have just beat the crap out of him

by 4195mary on Mar 4, 2011 5:52 PM EST reply actions  

I honestly think Gillies would have been punished even if he had gotten into a fight

he was a marked man the moment he set foot on the ice last night

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by Jtpdolphins2009 on Mar 4, 2011 5:55 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Beware of Islanders

You got to think a lot of this publicity (negative and all) will help us in the long run.
I mean a team comes in to play the Isles and they got to be thinking "these guys are not choir boys; some of these guys are Hanson Bros. material, I better have my head on a swivel." Am I just reaching on this?

by Russel Ginart on Mar 4, 2011 5:56 PM EST reply actions  

I still do not think teams think like that yet

because we still see almost every game JT or Okposo get run at by the other team. We have not every initiated any of the incidents, but we send the message. I think maybe we should be the team that plays physical first and then maybe teams would think that way.

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by Jtpdolphins2009 on Mar 4, 2011 5:58 PM EST up reply actions  

correction

We have not ever initiated any of the incidents

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by Jtpdolphins2009 on Mar 4, 2011 6:00 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

to add to that

If the Islanders cannot show the ability to protect their players without going over the line, then it gives teams even more motive to go after them

Why stop running at Islanders players, when a likely reaction will get one of our guys suspended for 5 games or more?

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by Jtpdolphins2009 on Mar 4, 2011 6:01 PM EST up reply actions  

As I posted in the Fanshot:

it’s not that he was suspended, even though it is very excessive, its the fact that as usual, the media took it and ran with it. Then last night in the Bruins-Bolts game we have Lucic coming into the fray and cross-checking Moore in the head. Head or shoulder it doesn’t matter, it was a blatant attempt to injure. Yet where’s Milbury and the rest of the media hacks! Lucic’s check was far more dangerous then Gillies erroneous hand to the face, this was freakin’ stick!

by 54_Fighting on Mar 4, 2011 6:26 PM EST reply actions  

Tees would make a great FIG prize

Now to get my ass in gear…

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by Dominik on Mar 5, 2011 6:20 PM EST up reply actions  

Ah

for a second I really thought that was the name of a Pennsylvania-based roller derby team.

by Paumanok on Mar 5, 2011 6:53 AM EST up reply actions  

CNNSI: Gillies Front Page

“…may have been avoided if the NHL had been tougher on HIM the first time”

Oh really, just him? He was the progenitor of this league-wide head-hunting plague? Oh yeah, I forgot that only reared its ravenous head on the night of February 11, 2011 Massacre of the Penguins. It wasn’t until we let the Gimp out that the shit-show really started.

I agree on the suspension, but here we have some more fresh front-page fodder for everyone to run out to join the Islanders protest rally.

Of what I’ve read over the past couple months the media has been doing a much better job of recognizing the imbalance in the prosecution of these types of plays, but they need to fully extract their collective head out of Colon’s ass to get the real stink of what’s been going on.

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by The Black Map on Mar 4, 2011 8:29 PM EST reply actions   2 recs

Sports Illustrated's opinions on hockey should be read with same grain of who-gives-a-shit that ESPN's views are read.

When both decide to showcase hockey again (and not simply the elite teams in the league for ratings boosts), then maybe their opinions will actually matter. Until then, isn’t there a college basketball star SI can exploit…

Hunter said he was just finishing his check.

by Turgeon1992 on Mar 4, 2011 9:54 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

(+1) It's PILE ON TIME...

…and I’d really like to see Garth at least make a statement. I’ve said this, even before the FFF that Garth needs to make another Milbury video… and send a copy to everybody… the capper would be if Lucic gets no suspension.
The video would be an hour long just watching Tavares get up and hobble to the bench… people would feel it was on an endless loop.

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by JPinVA on Mar 4, 2011 11:42 PM EST up reply actions  

agreed

Snow needs to start being more vocal, and hold the NHL accountable.

by CanadianIsleslifer on Mar 4, 2011 11:45 PM EST up reply actions  

I dont post here much. Actually this is my first time (love this place by the way) but…….. Gillies got 10 games for an interferance penalty. THATS IT! Hit from the side, elbow into the shoulder, absolutely nothing wrong with the hit. I need someone to explain to me why this was a 10 game i really dont get it. I understand the wheel of bullshit with Cambell and Buttfuk but do these douches actually watch the tapes.

I would love for Snow and the rest of the team publicly back Gillies in all aspects of the media
I feel like a lot of you guys ( not trying to start shit, just a personal observation/opinion)are forgetting that Gillies was a first time suspender after the Pitt game. Before that he was a regular enforcer not a goon that most media d*cks are portraying him to be and some of us are portraying him to be. Last night LUCIC crosschecked someone in the head. Have any of you guys seen any thing on TSN, ESPN or any other bullshit media sight. Of course not.
Just because I think some of you guys might appreciate it, this is my response to Wysh on yahoo(who’s blog I loved before the FFF) about Lucic

So, Gillies (only suspension in the nhl was the pit vs isl game) hits a guy from the side, elbow no where near the head of clutterbuck (watch the reverse angle. Interference, 2 min, the most) and gets a 10 game suspension. Lucic ( repeat offender), punches a guy with the butt end of his stick. How many games is he gettin? ZERO. Wyshynski, either you have post concussion syndrome from your bullshit hockey career (whatever it may consisted of) or your head is so far up your ass your walking around constantly cuncussed, but you have about as much hockey cred as mike milbury or mat barnaby

by MUFDVR1 on Mar 4, 2011 9:30 PM EST reply actions  

Actually he received a two-pronged suspension

1 game for the major penalty
9 games for being an Islander

by Fabtraption on Mar 4, 2011 10:13 PM EST up reply actions  

I saw Gillies’ arm bounce off the shoulder into Clutterbuck’s head.. At any rate, you shouldn’t be getting your arms anywhere near someone else’s head while delivering a hit, especially in your first game back from suspension.

I can understand the indignation here given the wheel of justice. I do think that play was suspendable, though, and I think the suspension was fair.

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by red army line on Mar 5, 2011 2:07 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

ok then in your mind

How many games should Lucic get?

He lead into Downies’ head with his glove and ended up hitting him with his stick and it was a blindsided hit

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by Jtpdolphins2009 on Mar 5, 2011 2:18 AM EST up reply actions  

Cross checking (stick) to the head is different from roughing (glove) to the head. Definitely blindside. I’d give him one game—don’t think he’s a repeat guy.

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by red army line on Mar 5, 2011 1:46 PM EST up reply actions  

He is

I think he was actually suspended once in the playoffs for cross checking a Montreal player (either Plekanec or Lapierre…right before fighting Komisarek).

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by Keith Quinn on Mar 5, 2011 1:53 PM EST up reply actions  

Yes!

And his defense this time was that he “held up” his crosscheck.

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by Dominik on Mar 5, 2011 6:21 PM EST up reply actions  

Right

I only put 185 of my 225 into it…because I’m sensitive like that.

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by Keith Quinn on Mar 5, 2011 7:44 PM EST up reply actions  

Now Taylor Hall is done for the season

because the officials did not do their job to stop that situation last night before it escalated

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by Jtpdolphins2009 on Mar 4, 2011 10:28 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

So....

is it terrible that the first thought that popped into my head was this raises Grabner’s Calder chances?

by Fabtraption on Mar 4, 2011 10:41 PM EST up reply actions  

Grabs was ahead of Hall in that race.

Let Us Go, Islanders! (Ever notice how strange that sounds without the contraction?)

by TheMetalChick on Mar 4, 2011 10:49 PM EST up reply actions  

Something else being missed...

Gillies did get his arm up, but clearly no elbow or anything like that. Gillies is a very big man. If he was really trying to head hunt repeat offender Clutterbum does anyone really believe Clutterbum would have been able to continue to play, including a game the very next night? I think not. If Gillies was intending to Head hunt, given the size and strenght of the man, clutterbum would have had a serious concussion.

by CanadianIsleslifer on Mar 4, 2011 11:44 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

I do believe I've tried to make that point...

several times… especially in my TURTLETOWN post.
What I’d really like to see is how many times Garth has contacted the league offices to have some of these incidents reviewed for fines/suspensions.
the league is supposed to be watching every game, gathering info from officials, and I would hope that there is ELECTRONIC communications with each team to report/discuss these issues.
It might be time for a few more of Colin Campbell’s emails to become public. We know there are plenty of leaks at the coliseum… maybe there is one in Garth’s office….

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by JPinVA on Mar 4, 2011 11:58 PM EST up reply actions  

wow, this post got long....sorry

i think it speaks volumes that the referees gave the penalty for a hit from behind (WHAT?!?!?!?). what color is the sky in that world where that is a hit from behind?and then colon says the suspension was for a hit to the head. why didn’t the refs call it a hit to the head? because they saw it was gillies and penalized him for his reputation.
it looked to me like gillies just grazed his head, not intentionally, but more from the force of the hit carrying his arms upward. you see it all the time when players go shoulder to shoulder, and right after the hit, the arms come up and make it look like an elbow was delivered, but it clearly happened after the hit.
10 games for that hit is ridiculous. yeah, he got him in the head, but 10 games? i was fine with 9 games for his hit on tangradi, and that was a much worse hit and obvious case of head hunting.
by those standards, lucic should get AT LEAST 10 games… he was 3rd man in and clearly went head hunting with his stick on a player who wasn’t even looking at him…and he probably won’t even get 1 cuz he plays with that dipshit campbell’s kid.
what a joke.
and speaking of jokes,where the fuck does milbury get off saying stuff like that?? he was a friggin goon when he played ( a whole 49 goals for his CAREER) and actually went in the stands and beat a fan with his own shoe!!! (granted, that was funny shit to watch, but still….) what’s next, is he gonna start calling out gm’s for bad trades and horrible management skills? talk about the pot calling the kettle black!

by isles in arkansas on Mar 5, 2011 12:59 AM EST reply actions   1 recs

I've often wonder

how the hell a guy like Milbury ended up as a hockey analysis. What can Milbury offer other than advice on what not to do?

by CanadianIsleslifer on Mar 5, 2011 1:40 AM EST up reply actions  

Ok that is cool

am I the only one who looks at Trevor and thinks of Soda Popinksi?

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by Jtpdolphins2009 on Mar 5, 2011 1:57 AM EST up reply actions  

just saw the Lucic hit

and i have to say are you kidding me? thats a million times worse than the Gillies hit. Where mike ass millbury now? SERIOUSLY THIS EFFFING NHL IS TURNING INTO THE WWF. and im not talking about the violence im talking about the justice.

by Torch7 on Mar 5, 2011 8:58 AM EST reply actions   1 recs

The NHL

won’t do anything unless the media says something about it. This bush league is light years behind the NFL (and I’m not a football fan) when it comes to discipline and protecting players. Anyone stupid enough to believe Gillies was trying to headhunt repeat predatory hitter Clutterscum needs to take a good hard look at the size and strength of Gillies. Yes, his arm got up on hit, there was no elbow, but clearly, if the intention was to head hunt, the arm and / or elbow would have made contact with force enough that repeat predatory offender Clutterscum would not have been playing in the rest of that game, let alone the following night against the Rags.

by CanadianIsleslifer on Mar 5, 2011 2:46 PM EST up reply actions  

Funny...

The Minnesota broadcast NEVER mentioned the fact that Clutterbuck hit Dibenidetto from behind.

Get out of the sticks, Charles, move to Queens!! Come, Get some respect a Professional team deserves!!

by Martys301 on Mar 5, 2011 11:24 AM EST reply actions   1 recs

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