Bodysnatchers: Jurcina joins Islanders hip parade; Weight 'leans' to retirement; Katic, Reese up
I do not / Understand / What it is
I've done wrong / Full of holes
Check for pulse / Blink your eyes
One for Islanders Face / Two for Islanders Hip
I've no idea what the hockey gods are on about
Trapped in this body and can't ... get out.
~If Radiohead were Islanders fans
Which Tuesday news is less of a surprise for the Islanders fan -- that Milan Jurcina left practice today with a tweaked hip, or that Doug Weight, skating for months but scratched since Nov. 17 with back issues, is now officially shelved for the season. (Full Newsday Katie Strang post on Weight "leaning" toward retirement is here. [$5 please])
As far as Operation Shutdown (copyright Derek Bell) goes, Weight merely joins Mark Streit (0 games played in 2010-11), Trent Hunter (17 games), Mike Mottau (20 games), Mark Eaton (34 games) and Andrew MacDonald (60 games) [EDIT: plus Kevin Poulin (10)] in the official "Out for the Season" list that is pushing the Islanders man-games lost to injury well north of 500 games -- and that's not even including the massive Bridgeport injury list, which has done its parent justice.
UPDATE 5:30 p.m.: Both Dylan Reese and Mark Katic have been recalled as injury replacements. Viva Bridgeport!
UPDATE 2: Weight describes his condition to the official site:
Due to two small fractures in his lower vertebrae and a slipped disk, the 40-year-old center has nerve damage from the amounting pressure. Not only has he had to deal with pain, but he’s even had moments where his left leg has completely buckled from underneath of him.
“Anytime you’re messing with your back, your vertebrae, your nerves, and what I’ve gone through for about eight weeks now, without any movement… I think you start to realize the importance of (healing the right way),” Weight said.
As many have pointed out, the irony for Islanders fans accustomed to this drill is that hard-luck D-man Radek Martinek is still standing -- knock on wood -- and is on pace to be the Islander blueliner with the second-most games played this year. (He stands at 58 now, two behind Jack Hillen, who has been a past victim of Islanders Face, which we know can recur.)
To be fair, Jurcina is being evaluated and Bruno Gervais -- "doubtful" for tomorrow thanks to a shot off the foot -- is not officially out, but uncertain injuries to both mean there is more Bridgeport reinforcement on the way to join Ty Wishart and Travis Hamonic as recent AHLers on the NHL blueline. The final six games should be interesting for those left standing.
All the More Reason to Praise the Ironmen
Which brings up a point I think of every time a player is struggling or slumping: These guys play through injury when at all possible. MacDonald was dealing with his hip issue since at least February, and would probably still be playing if the Islanders still had a chance at playoffs. Matt Moulson has been a (knock on wood) ironman in both his seasons with the Islanders, and you better believe he's played through knocks, bumps and strains during that time. There's just no way you play that much hockey at that high of a level without fighting through injuries that "luckily" are not breaks or tears. Same to physical Zenon Konopka, this season's other ironman.
Ironically, this may have been Weight's handicap through the latter half of his career: Though a playmaker, Weight never shied -- and in fact thrived -- from physical contact. His first injury-shortened season wasn't until 1998-99 (age 28) when he was limited to 43 games. His next came in 2002-03 (61 games at age 31). He played through debilitating abdominal tears during his time as a St. Louis Blue, and tried to game his way back into the Carolina lineup after separating his shoulder during the 2006 Cup finals.
His career with the Isles, from age 37 to 40, has been limited -- 53 games was the max in 2008-09 -- by a mix of injuries both recurring and new. Anyone who is honest and saw him on opening night this season would concede he was flying around (and collecting three points in 20 minutes of TOI) like, if not the Weight of old, at least the Weight of not-quite-done. The problem is it couldn't last, and didn't. By game 18 his time was up. I don't know a fan who hasn't long assumed Weight would retire after this year, but to every player his own decision at his own time. I'm sure this isn't how he wanted it to end after rehabbing that shoulder all summer to make one more go.
Every team has its share of injuries -- Canucks fans and Red Wings fans probably don't pity our pain right now -- but for Islanders fans it has been a crazy three out of four seasons, and another 500+ game season like this is absurd, even given the wild goalie injury situation. While the blueline has taken the biggest hit, we can at least be thankful the top two lines (excluding Kyle Okposo's half season lost) have remained relatively healthy, providing the majority of this season's high notes.
I've no idea what the hockey gods are doing right now. But maybe, just maybe they have lottery magic in mind, and maybe someday soon the ledger evens out just when the Islanders need it most.
That would almost make this era of Islanders Hip worth it ... right?
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Too Many Hip Injuries for One Team
Time to get a new trainer? Time to change training regimen? This is ridiculous. Injuries are one thing, but something’s not right when this many guys on one team have hip problems.
Totally agree
It is totally absurd that that there are so many of the same injuries on one team. It has got to be the regimen from the Islanders trainer, because guys that are first year players are suffering similar injuries to those that have been here. Injuries are a part of the game, i get that, but so many games lost seems ridiculous.
Nope.
This isnt about training. These arent guys who all came through our system.
Besides- the Isles already DID revamp their training and their training staff.
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by TheMetalChick on Mar 29, 2011 10:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Ice Issues?
I’m starting to wonder if this has something to do with NVMC ice…our guys obviously play on it more than any other group of players. Might the answer lie in the quality of the ice rather than the gods and/or trainers?
Nope.
The ice system was totally renovated at NVMC last year- its why they were able to have hockey games there in July.
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by TheMetalChick on Mar 30, 2011 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions
"renovated"
Maybe it was “renovated” too much…(or not enough)….
They put in new ice makers and replaced the old ass ones.
Theres no reason to think that better made ice is causing injuries, it defies logic.
I really do believe this is what Dom said- humans looking for and seeing patterns where there are none just because they want there to be. Everyone wants the solution to be so simple, but thats just not things usually work.
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by TheMetalChick on Mar 30, 2011 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Well this made me feel better
Is there anyone else that thinks that these injuries really don’t exist? Or they exist, can be played through, but for tanking and overprotective purposes are overblown a bit? Seems like every year we go through this “who knew” mystery ailment thing.
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AMac is definitely one
You mean to tell me shooting the puck from 70 feet out doesn't earn us extra goals?
I have just been Huey rolled
I think that’s definitely a factor, but I think it’s something every team does: They try to fight through it and then when the coast is clear they disclose injuries they don’t want other teams knowing about.
I’d love to know how many slumps are affected by injuries here and there that players don’t talk about.
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Too much Freak Nasty in the Isles locker room?
A-Mac (to Jurcina): “I put my hand up on your hip, when I dip, you dip, we dip”
Jurcina: “Ow”
by SchneiderDiricov on Mar 29, 2011 3:04 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Tragically Hip
Of course Doug’s leaning toward retirement – that’s the side his injured hip is on. If he faced the other way he’d lean towards coming back. If he turned sideways he’d lean towards heading out for a beer.
We may be in the box, but you get the penalty.
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Of course Doug’s leaning toward retirement – that’s the side his injured hip is on. If he faced the other way he’d lean towards coming back. If he turned sideways he’d lean towards heading out for a beer.
And Id lean towards joining him in a heartbeat if it wasnt for his gorgeous wife.
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by TheMetalChick on Mar 29, 2011 10:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Weight
I really thought he was skating to get in the final home game and then retire, even if it was only for a few shifts
Any task BIG or small, Do it well or not at all
I was thinking the same
That’s a long bit of skating there, and it’s kind of interesting even a brief goodbye skate wasn’t in the cards.
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Damn, Gervais doubtful and jurcina questionable. We can't get a break or the hockey gods want us getting the best draft pick we possibly can, lol.
Hope all this karma means we are in for multiple cups soon.
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Ahhh
Bruno’s been “doubtful” all year.
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by Keith Quinn on Mar 29, 2011 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Fire the training staff.
Strength and conditioning coaches, medical staff, or anyone else who could be responsible. Leading the NHL in man games lost to injury in 3 of the past 4 years is not bad luck. There has to be something wrong.
it most likely is bad luck
How many of those games are chronically-hurt guys like DiPietro and Martinek? (Maybe not this year, but usually.) How many of those games were injuries on hits, such as Neilsen, Okposo, and Streit? How many of them are from older players like Weight and Sillinger? And everyone talks about size size size – consider that one of the byproducts of being smaller is a higher risk of injury from repeated impact.
Islanders Hip jokes aside, it’s not always the same thing over and over. It’s unproductive just to call for people’s heads when the outcome isn’t what we like to see. Look into the training methods if you like, but it’s not really likely that there’s anything to it. A few years ago it was groins, then knees, now hips – and faces. There’s obviously nothing about the training methods that leads to catching pucks in the head. There’s probably nothing about the training that leads to a different “injury of the year” every year.
We may be in the box, but you get the penalty.
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I don't tend to blame the trainers precisely for that reason...
…and because our data is waaaay to incomplete to form that conclusion, and because humans are waaaay to prone to see patterns where there are none.
Hip injuries in hockey are more common than we’d let on when joking about Islanders Hip. And between each hip is a broken face, a Hamstring, a broken foot, a broken hand. There’s a reason players like Weight look like Weight by their mid-30s.
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i agree that the data is incomplete, and that there are other reasons/causes of injuries, but when half of the injuries are due to hip causes, you have to start pointing fingers at the trainers and the way they MAY be conditioning the players or helping them stretch. there are too many “hip” injuries for it to be coincidence. it sounds more like a common denominator cause, and that usually points to the staff.
i almost want to say that a training consultant should be brought in if there are multiples of the same/similar injury. bring in an outside opinion/set of eyes to see how our staff does what they do. maybe they can spot something that should or shouldn’t be done in the day-to-day training procedures.
Couldn't hurt
Also looking at their practice, too.
But I just think of the NHLers with hip injuries in their past or present, and it’s a list long enough to fill this page, from young to old (and I’m excluding goalies since they’re all prone to that risk). Rafalski, Kariya, Brett Connolly, Streit (PRE-Islander days), Crosby, Gaborik, Latendresse, Mueller, Burns, Kadri, Lehtinen, Alfredsson, Mogilny, Hawerchuk, Zubov, Klesla… Who knows, maybe even Coliseum ice contributes to wear and tear, but well, who knows.
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I believe that already happened
The Isles invested in their training staff & brought people in and did this whole different program thing not that long ago, I remember articles about it.
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by TheMetalChick on Mar 29, 2011 10:54 PM EDT up reply actions
humans are waaaay to prone to see patterns where there are none.
This. And it merits repetition!
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by TheMetalChick on Mar 29, 2011 10:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Konopka next?
It looks like they are going to use the last couple of games to get a look at the future. Even if Zeke is in the Islander’s future they most certainly don’t need to find anything out about him.
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It's kind of amazing
to think of how much more Bridgeport has been effed this year than the Isles even. What a disaster.
Operation Shutdown
Disappointing news about Jurcina and makes me wonder about the all-time man games lost record. Is there a number on that?
And thanks for the great D. Bell reference his time with the Mets was at least memorable and no one was sprayed with bleach. Plus, you can’t argue with a man whose house is a boat.
i believe the man games lost to injury record
was somewhere around 600 set by the LA Kings, so we probably wont hit that
but well come damn close
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I dont think we will match the 580+ we lost in 08-09 but we will be close.
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by TheMetalChick on Mar 29, 2011 10:54 PM EDT up reply actions
we probably would have if AMAC
didnt play through his injury for the last month or so
that guys a trooper, playing through a surgery-required injury in what was undoubtedly a lost season. Give that man the C!!!!!
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oh GREAT
A-Mac cost us the RECORD ! ! 1 ! one ! two !
NOT A TEAM PLAYER
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I suspect
It’s the end of the road for Dustin Kohn, especially with Reese getting the callup before him
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yeah they must really not have any confidence in him
and hell his own confidence is probably shot
how bad do you have to be to not get a call up over dylan-freaking-reese
unless this is their way of being merciful to BPT and are actually trying to leave them with at least 1 or 2 serviceable defensemen on any given night
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