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Canes 3, Islanders 2 (OT): Cam Ward is kinda good, stops Grabner 8 times

Before tonight we talked of Cam Ward stealing games for Carolina, and he certainly stole this one. At his opposite end, Al Montoya made his share of good saves -- and the Isles defense suffered their share of wild scrambles -- but Ward was stopping prime Islanders scoring chances all night, usually with his glove but generally with whatever limb was available. A big of misfortune cost the Islanders a 2-1 lead with just 4:37 left, and a back-and-forth OT ended in favor of the Canes' playoff hopes and the Islanders' lottery odds.

Game Sum | Event Sum | H2H | Corsi | Recaps: NHL - CC - Isles

Matt Moulson was robbed by Ward's glove on a PP chance that would have made it 3-1 in the third, but Michael Grabner was Ward's most frequent victim, with nine shots including two clear breakaways. A factor all over the ice, Grabner still factored in both Islanders goals, getting the assist on one and scoring the other. Grabner's fellow Calder candidate Jeff Skinner made an outstanding play to set up Joni Pitkanen's OT winner.

Star-divide

The Islanders didn't exactly sit on their 2-1 lead in the third, but they were certainly guilty of running around their own zone as the Canes pressed for an equalizer. So even though the tying goal by Eric Cole was made possible by the ref blocking Frans Nielsen's route and popping the puck free, the Isles could've given up a goal anywhere else in that scramble if not for Montoya or good bounces.




Game Highlights

Notes from a fourth road OT loss in five

  • Seriously, nine shots for Grabner. He was all over the place. It started with two early passes that sprung him for breakaways, one a great thread from Kyle Okposo. That announced his presence and speed to those in Carolina who forgot about the All-Star Skills competition. Then he moved to outside chances and trailing the play, such as the one-timer he received from Frans Nielsen, which Nielsen collected on the rebound with a Danish Backhand from Impossible Angle. Finally, he scored his goal with a backhand rebound of Travis Hamonic's shot.
  • Okposo did his usual good things but had just an okay game. He was guilty of being caught from behind and stripped of the puck on two plays that could have otherwise been scoring chances for a teammate. He also very nearly won the game in OT shortly before it went the other way. I know there are no perfect hockey games.
  • Milan Jurcina and to a lesser extent Bruno Gervais were victimized by great cross-ice passing on the Hurricanes' first goal, which made it 1-0. That pairing continues to be the one that tests my cardiac health the most. But I don't know that the current collection of six D offers a better way to distribute everyone.
  • The Islanders outshot the Hurricanes 30-19 through two periods and played well enough to earn several calls that went their way. But they again went 0 for 4 on the powerplay, and they fell victim to the Hurricanes' desperate and much-needed late push, which saw the shot tally level off to 37-35 by the end of the game.
  • Montoya was doing a pretty good job shutting the door and the D was clearing the rebounds, though not all the way out. The tying goal wasn't Montoya's fault -- bang-bang pass from behind the net to right in front. He may have been too deep in the crease on Pitkanen's OT winner, but it was a brilliant postage stamp shot, and Radek Martinek and Jack Hillen had a miscommunication in the corner to Montoya's right that led to the turnover and goal.
  • Quiet night on the scoresheet, but John Tavares continues to flash bits of incisive passing and elusiveness that makes me really really happy we'll get to watch him for a really long time.
  • Ice muncher: Andrew MacDonald, with 27:40, looked like a guy who'd played that much by the time OT rolled around.

Standings and Lottery Implications

Again, the Hurricanes had to have this one. It brings them into a tie with 8th-place Buffalo (76 points each), but the Sabres have two games in hand. The Rangers one to go up to 80 points. Behind the Canes, Toronto and Atlanta have just 72, while New Jersey lost again to stay at 70.

For the Isles, the failure to close out means they remain one point (66) behind tomorrow's opponent, Florida. Edmonton is safely behind them in 30th with 55 points, and I don't think Ottawa or Colorado will catch them without a stark change in form. So the Isles and Florida may be tossing 26th (and the fourth or fifth overall lottery position) back and forth, unless New Jersey's realization that the dream is over leads them to descend back to normal.

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FIG Winner: Cheers to neologizer, who selected Nielsen with the closest time. (No one got the assists right.)

P.S.: Bob Wage and the gang at Canes Country have nice access, so check out their recap with post-game clips from the Canes perspective, if you're interested.

Up Next: As mentioned, the Panthers await at home with rest. And will it be the return of Rick DiPietro?

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In the thrid period, with a one goal lead

the team stood around and were flat footed. The only time any agressive D wasbut forth was when the Cains were on the Power Play…..
The best defense is a strong offense….it appears that this theroy is lost on the team…

The way this is going the Captian of the next Cup contending Islanders team is still in grade school......Results do matter..

by Ukiddinme on Mar 18, 2011 10:37 PM EDT reply actions  

I see that as very chicken and egg

They weren’t pressing play by any means, but on the same token a possible playoff team with its season in the balance entered the third period at home knowing it just needed one goal to give itself a chance.

They press more, the leading team gets on its heels more, that leads to more pressure, which leads to a greater feeling that, “oh man, we just have to survive this” and on and on it goes. Even the best teams go through that, so no surprise a young team with this defense does.

Lighthouse Hockey: Send us your cold, your poor, your healthy goalies.

by Dominik on Mar 18, 2011 11:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

I dont think they were as much flat-footed as they were playing against a team that realized at the end of the game that it was still within their grasp to win- and they NEEDED to win. I think if the spots were reversed and the Canes were the ones all but mathematically eliminated while the Isles were the ones who had a real shot by winning, things would have been different. And thats why I dont really buy all this “they are playing loose” crap people keep saying about the Isles. Having something on the line and right there can be a great motivator.

Let Us Go, Islanders! (Ever notice how strange that sounds without the contraction?)

by TheMetalChick on Mar 19, 2011 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

While reconizing both comments by Dom and yourself about the Canes need to win and

exort a good amount of pressure during the 3rd period I stiil that during the penilty kills during this time frame the Isles were much more attentive then during the 5 on 5 play…plus the lack of agressivness on our end was disappointing…And yeah the team is young, but they need to step it up a notch….they know whats coming at them…Hopefully we see a different mindset tonite.

The way this is going the Captian of the next Cup contending Islanders team is still in grade school......Results do matter..

by Ukiddinme on Mar 19, 2011 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm certainly disappointed with their third period

I think we’ve seen them “close out” some games in recent months by continuing to press, but I don’t know how much is fortune, how much is approach, and how much is the opposition was a team they could close out.

With Carolina, I definitely thought that was a team they could continue dominating, but reserve the options of Ward getting to them and the Canes really needing it. I guess ultimately I’m not sure how much is mindset and how much is susceptible players, specifically the D.

Lighthouse Hockey: Send us your cold, your poor, your healthy goalies.

by Dominik on Mar 19, 2011 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

KO's offensive output

I’m curious to see everyone’s thoughts on what kind of points KO will be consistently putting up as he plays 75+ games a season.

I’m thinking 20 goals a season is upside

by joeconte on Mar 18, 2011 10:42 PM EDT reply actions  

KO

age goals pts
20 -18goals 39
21 – 19 goals 52
22 – lost most of season due to injury
23 ……I’m thinking his curve is still up not down

by neologizer on Mar 18, 2011 10:59 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

At some point

He’s going to stop hitting posts and start hitting twine

"Wonder where Botta will go from here?" "to work for the Ministry of Truth?" ~ Original Rob
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by Mark D on Mar 19, 2011 12:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

20 "upside" as in max?

Well, depends on his role but I doubt it’s that low.

Powerplay is a huge source of offense for just about any mortal not named Grabner. At present, KO’s PP chances are wasted (in more ways than one) at the point. Depends on how much PP time he gets, in a shooter’s role, and depends how his line is used. But I’d think as he matures 20 goals is a weak full season for him.

Lighthouse Hockey: Send us your cold, your poor, your healthy goalies.

by Dominik on Mar 18, 2011 11:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

KO on Point

Agreed Dom. I feel he’s absoloutley being brought down by being on the point. Fact is that the team right now needs someone else who can handle the puck on the point on the PP and make solid decisions and KO has been defaulted into being that guy the past two seasons (limited game time but still, its been consistent over the time hes been playing the past 2 seasons).

Plain and simple he’s a sniper and getting ice time on the PP should only enhance that but the man-power this team has forced Cap’s hand with that decision just as it did Go-Go late last year and it really sucks.

Overall high-line for him in a full season should be somewhere in the 28G-33G range with another 35-40 assits for a total of a roughly high 60’s in pts. for someone like him who plays to potential and a true high first-rounder

by isles7890 on Mar 19, 2011 3:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

KO

If he plays as a power forward and not a point man, he’ll get more points. Next year Streit is back and deHaan maybe a half year away. KO should be good for about a 22-35-57 line.

Now, if someone could only work with Grabner on his hands, he could be a 50+ goal scorer easily. I have never seen so many missed breakaways, but at least that’s a correctible issue.

by martylnd on Mar 19, 2011 8:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

You guys are probably right

Especially with his misuse on the PP. It’s frustrating to watch him out there on the point which is what inspired my post in the first place.

If they bring in new assistants next year, maybe we’ll see him moved down low?

by joeconte on Mar 19, 2011 5:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Need a Big, Nasty Crease Clearing Defenseman

In close games late – like tonight – other teams crowd the crease on us and dominate shifts. We have some size with Jurcina and Wishert but no one who is both big and nasty.

As far as draft position, I keep reading about what a great goal scorer Jonathan Huberdeau is. Should be available at five if we don’t pick sooner. Could be a natural fit with Bailey, who’s got to start putting up more points.

by rmblifn on Mar 18, 2011 11:46 PM EDT reply actions  

Bailey

File me in the group that doesn’t think Bailey has many opportunities to produce more than he does (it depends on if Comeau is having a good night or if Bailey gets meaningful PP time), but something I notice about Bailey in his weaker stretches is that he watches the play after he passes. Now that I mention it, I remember Gordon bringing this up his first year — that he needed to remember to keep his feet moving and move to the dangerous areas.

It’s something he still doesn’t always do. I don’t know if that’s because he’s inclined to be defensively responsible or if it’s a flaw/junior relic that still reappears from time to time.

Lighthouse Hockey: Send us your cold, your poor, your healthy goalies.

by Dominik on Mar 18, 2011 11:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Bailey

Agree, he’s done guinea pig duty for the RSH experiment and deals with COZO for a large portion of shifts. He does drift off sometimes but then also remember he just turned 21.

I wouldn’t break up the 2nd line but if you swapped Frans and Bailey I think he would produce very nicely there

I remember botta quoted (don’t usually quote him but this seems relevant) sources from other teams being critical of the Isles handling of Bailey and that they were “turning him into a 3rd line center”…. that was well over a year ago

by neologizer on Mar 19, 2011 12:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

"remember he just turned 21"

Yeah, I say that to myself a lot, too.

The “turning him into a third-line center” argument never held much water for me, unless it’s regarding rushing him from juniors. To me JT obviously has to be turned into a #1 and Frans is obviously…well right now he’s their best all-around center, but even discarding the offensive side he gets more done than Bailey, so I’m not sure how they’re supposed to pretend Bailey isn’t the third-best center on the team. I guess they could give him the reps JT gets, but again that sounds counter-productive.

The bonus I try to take from this is that maybe this low production now depresses his second contract AAV and makes him more of a bargain when the team’s core hits its prime.

Lighthouse Hockey: Send us your cold, your poor, your healthy goalies.

by Dominik on Mar 19, 2011 12:45 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

I noticed that at a couple of games i saw at the Coliseum

Bails was standing and waiting for the puck and the play to develop instead of skating to the puck and making the plays…I hope this guy finds some consistancy because he can be one of our best forwards if he can find that focus…Hopefully he isn’t gonna be one of the many enigmas in this league…Seems like there are allot of skilled players who never find their game on a regular basis in this league…I’m sure its not easy

by KO21 on Mar 19, 2011 10:38 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Dom

Bailey is “21” wrap your head around that for a second. We have a #1 pick and a great dane which easily overshadows the young man. I argued with Botta sice the draft that Bailey was a good pick for plenty of reasons. Extra picks (Hamonic) and his skills. It will bear fruit sooner than later. I think he needs to find the right line combo or add a little “jam” to his game. He will be a great 3rd line center next year but the hope is for him to be a Top-6 foward especially with a first round draft pick. JT has figured it out sooner than Bailey is all I can say. If you remember it took a while for the lightbulb to go off in Okpos’s head The key is strength and backchecking. Tavares had me scared to death last year when he couldn’t win a single battle in the corner. He added strength and “learned” how to compete and be dominant consistently. Bailey will learn and he has shown signs of breaking out at different parts of the season. I watch him real close and I agree with a previous poster who stated he was in-between (eg. passing when should be shooting and vice versa). He will be fine and a 50 to 60 point player if he gets his fair share of PP time. I was thinking he could play very well with Nino next year. He needs a PA type on his line that will get dirty and then get open. But Bailey still needs to mature and will. I have no doubt. His hockey vision is 2nd best on team next to JT. If he works as hard as Ok and JT he will create more opportunities for himself and his linemates. There needs to be patience with him. He may have come up a year to soon but I don’t buy the argument that this has ruined his development. The kid is competing night in and night out in thr NHL. This is the most excited I have ever been for a bright Isles future. I was too young during dynasty to enjoy (5). The nucleous is “jelling” and they genuinely like each other. I hope Snow was the draft mastermind and not Jankowsi. We will know soon. Who do you think we should take in draft? I think if the pick is 1-5 then we MUST take best playee available. Hopefully, we will not be picking anywhere near that in a longtime. We cannot miss on this one. We can sign or trade for a big defenseman,. If Larsson is there I guess we take him. Truth be told I have not seem him play and most people have not. Is he better than Hedman? No..Is he better than Gudbranson? Don’t think so. I can only go to central scouting to get reports on the forwards. So leave it Snow’s hand and I think he may just get it right. Sorry about the long post. I don’t know the rules and this was a stream of consciousness. Just excited.

by elway76 on Mar 19, 2011 2:48 AM EDT reply actions  

One thing as far as “figuring it out” between Tavares and Bailey: JT has been given a much better opportunity to do so than Bailey has. JT’s been given the top offensive opportunities mostly from Day 1, while Bailey has been shifted all over the map according to need. JT’s been allowed to work through his failings, with only select decreases in ice time during that big slump last year. So yeah, I’m not worried about Bailey; he’s shown me enough to think he will be very useful in the right role. Frankly both him and JT impress me in different ways.

On the draft: Best player available sounds great to me.

Lighthouse Hockey: Send us your cold, your poor, your healthy goalies.

by Dominik on Mar 19, 2011 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

As much as I hate losing to The Rags...

…I absolutely despise losing to Ponytail Pete’s bloody tampons!

sonofabitch…

Ya ever seen Frans Nielsen’s eyes, Chief? Those…cold…black…lifeless eyes, like a dolls eyes…

by BrassBonanza10 on Mar 19, 2011 3:48 AM EDT reply actions  

About Okposo,

he’s obviously important to the team in a few ways, not least of which is his work ethic and how it can rub off on his teammates, but it may be time to reconsider what a lot of people expected – including me – in terms of numbers. There may be a few reasons for it – I think the Phaneouf hit changed how he plays – but it looks like 20 goals (if he got there) would be a great season for him, whereas two years ago I thought 30 would be his upside. The good news is there’s enough talent here and on the way that Okposo can still be a core guy in other ways.

by dose on Mar 19, 2011 10:22 AM EDT reply actions  

I disagree

KO played hard all last yr and got many scoring chances and that was all after Phanuef hit him in the preseason…Not sure why u would come to that conclusion…

by KO21 on Mar 19, 2011 10:42 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

I think ...

two years ago he powered his way to the goal more than he does now. But even if I’m wrong and the Phaneuf hit didn’t change him, he just doesn’t seem to finish as many chances as I thought he would.
I don’t want to be misunderstood here, as if I’m bashing him. I’m not. I’m just saying that even though noone projected him to be Brett Hull, i think most thought he’d be a 25-30 a year guy. He has four goals. Yes, he’s played about 30 games, and yes, that’s after coming back from injury. But I’m starting to look at him as less of a scoring threat and more of an overall value guy.

by dose on Mar 19, 2011 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Roles

I think it really depends upon how Okposo is used. One of the major reasons why I feel like he’s been getting more assists than goals this season is because he’s always battling along the boards to control the puck in the offensive zone. Considering he’s mostly downlow, that leaves Grabner to play between the circles and Nielsen to play up high in case he has to skate back.

It doesn’t help that Okposo is being used incorrectly on the powerplay as well. If he were downlow around the goal circles, he would have greater opportunities to score. But since he’s mostly on the point, and his slapshot isn’t exactly the most accurate, he doesn’t get the scoring opportunities he should get. This is something that really needs to be corrected in order for him to become a 25-goal type of winger.

by Fabtraption on Mar 19, 2011 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree about ...

him at the point on the PP. It seems odd to me. But then again, didn’t Gordon use him there also? So maybe I don’t know nothin.

by dose on Mar 19, 2011 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah Gordon used him there too

Both coaches used him there essentially for lack of better options (I’m not enamored with Grabner or Nielsen there either), but they both seem to see more in KO at the point than I do. Maybe they just like that if it’s a forward at the point, you know KO isn’t going to give up a SH chance without a fight.

Lighthouse Hockey: Send us your cold, your poor, your healthy goalies.

by Dominik on Mar 19, 2011 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Your last point makes sense ...

but the point of the power play (pun intended, even if after the fact) is to score, and other guys (like martinek) can handle that responsibility.
Again, it might seem like I’m simply downplaying Okposo but I’m not. Aside from wanting to see a few more goals from him, I love everything about the guy. He’s got a huge heart and he’s a true pro. In some ways he’s a little like a Hunter who skates a little better.

by dose on Mar 19, 2011 6:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Indeed. I'm sort of casting for possible rationales

Yeah, I’m generally quite high on KO as a player overall, but have never gotten the desire to put him on the point.

Lighthouse Hockey: Send us your cold, your poor, your healthy goalies.

by Dominik on Mar 20, 2011 5:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

And about what's written ...

up above, what exactly does that contribute?
Sheesh.

by dose on Mar 19, 2011 10:25 AM EDT reply actions  

Grabs > Skinner

Sorry but name another player who gets as scoring chances as Grabner on a regular basis? I’m talking about prime scoring chances…Skinner is already a good player and will become really good but we have a special player in Grabs…He’s the fasted player in hockey…He’s a different animal…All he needs to do is work on his finish and he’s a 50 goal scorer…100 point producer…We have the better rookie, imho

by KO21 on Mar 19, 2011 10:26 AM EDT via mobile reply actions  

Im obviously on Team Grabs

But Skinner is friggin crafty with the puck.

by MLong86 on Mar 19, 2011 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

We still have a 0.001876% chance at the playoffs!

Using a site someone else on this board mentioned a year or two ago (http://www.sportsclubstats.com/NHL.html).

That’s much worse than the Devils’ 0.779% chance of making the playoffs, so….
 
it should be no surprise that the media keeps talking about them.

Commissioner of the FIG pool, because I'm one terrible player.

by ICanSeeForIslesAndIsles on Mar 19, 2011 11:36 AM EDT reply actions   1 recs

lol- I think we are finally gonna see the end of all that talk.

Let Us Go, Islanders! (Ever notice how strange that sounds without the contraction?)

by TheMetalChick on Mar 19, 2011 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

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