The annual 'Aaron Ness Leaving?' rumors begin
[Passive Voice UPDATE, March 16: Newsday's Katie Strang reports: "It is believed that the deal has been agreed to in principle, but not yet made official."]
It's a rite of March, these murmurs about which NCAA hockey players will leave to sign pro contracts. We're not innocent here, what with Monday's review of the status of Islanders properties currently in college. One such prospect whose potential departure is a fan topic for the third year in a row is 2008 pick Aaron Ness, the Minnesota junior who Internet buzz among Gopher followers Monday afternoon suggested was ready to leave.
Of course, we've been here before. It's spring, after all.
For college players, the whole NCAA facade of sacred amateur status complicates this flirtation each year. I'm not so much interested in if the rumors come to fruition -- if Ness leaves, we'll find out soon enough, and none of our lives will be worse for the delay between first hint and confirmation. But I am interested in this angle: It takes two to tango. If Ness wants to leave college, are the Islanders (including their affiliates) ready for him? And would it really be the right time for the undersized but crafty defenseman?
I can't remember if Chris Botta's report at Islanders Point Blank last spring kicked off that year's scuttlebutt or not, but the premise from his sources was, in my opinion, telling (emphasis mine):Multiple sources tell Point Blank that Ness, who just concluded his sophomore season with the Gophers, is ready to turn pro – if the Islanders want him. A league source said the Islanders have not given up on Ness and hope to strike a low-risk Entry Level contract agreement so the 5-10 defenseman can play in the minor leagues.
The rest of that post hits on why I think Ness, despite a small stature that would make you think he needs to take the slow road to the pros, has been a topic every spring: There is a contingent of Gopher and NCAA/pro hockey observers who don't think Don Lucia's program is doing the job. It's four disappointing seasons and counting now for the Gophers, but when discussing Islanders prospects there is the added history of the brief war of words between Lucia and Islanders GM Garth Snow around Kyle Okposo's midseason departure.
The Challenges for Small Defensemen
But Ness is not Okposo. The Islanders clearly thought the big-framed forward Okposo could make an impact right away -- and he did, getting a productive stint with Bridgeport before being recalled for a nine-game NHL finish that slid his ELC one year forward.
Ness, according to most observers, has not delivered what many anticipated after his standout high school career. He has improved his strength, but still has a ways to go there. (Something for an offseason training under Islanders tutelage, perhaps?) It's really quite hard to separate "the program" from "the player" though, to divine whether a kid needs that next step away from college.
On that note, last year Lucia had this to say to the College Hockey News about when he counsels players not to leave early:
My point is, one of the great things about college is the age the kids are and what do they need. They need maturity in the weight room. And I think our schedule for that age is better [than the AHL] for them. If you're playing four games in five nights, you can't get in the weight room, you can't build your body.
I just want a kid, when he leaves, he's on the cusp (of the NHL). Not many kids are going to go directly — there will be a few — but be on the cusp. Maybe play 40/40. But I've seen a lot of kids leave here that go to the AHL and never make it.
An NCAA coach would say that, wouldn't he? But it's a fair point. Here was SBN's Western College Hockey Blog last year on the prospect of Ness leaving in 2010:
It's not like Ness doesn't understand how to play the game. He's one of the smartest players I've seen come up through the ranks. But he's reached a point where everybody plays the game pretty well and his disadvantages in size and strength are making him fall behind.
In terms of pro potential, I hear conflicting reports from people who watch the Gophers closely -- although most seem to agree Ness has progressed since last year. One of my closest friends is a Gopher fanatic, and I can tell you it's an intense fan base with high expectations.
Betting on Small Defensemen
The Islanders do have a bit of a reputation for drafting small yet skilled defensemen over the last half-decade, but that doesn't mean they've kept them all. Fellow 2008 pick (6th round, 156 overall) Jared Spurgeon -- all 5'9", 185 lbs. of him -- had a very successful junior career with Spokane yet the Isles let his rights lapse last summer. It took a few tryouts with the Wild before he found a home, but he's earned enough promotions this year to get in 40 games (2 goals, 7 assists, +3) in the NHL.
Is Ness, listed at 5'10" 177 lbs., a better bet than Spurgeon? Ness was a higher pick (2nd round, 40th overall), so they may have more invested there. And it is a year later than a decision was due on Spurgeon, who is just six months older. Even critics of his game, and of his stat sheet, will concede his puckhandling skills. Whether he can apply that with vision while handling the bodies of the pro game is for the Isles to decide.
And that brings me back to the two-to-tango cliche: The Islanders have his rights for one more year, so they don't need to decide now. If he wants to leave but they aren't ready for him, they don't have to bring him in; Ness doesn't have a ton of leverage there. Meanwhile, if he signed this calendar year, his age 21 year, an ELC would be three years according to Article 9 of the CBA. That's no minor consideration if you're no longer high on a prospect. However, if you do still like him and don't think his NCAA club is helping him become a pro...well there's a deal to be made.
This side of it may be moot within hours of this posting, or it may linger on for another year. Point is, there are a lot of variables with a college kid leaving early.
The Reports
If you're interested, here is the first indication from Monday (by Tuesday morning, there may be more, who knows). Take it for what you will via @hammyhockey:
"To those emailing, yes... Ness is leaving. Heard from 3 good sources now."
That Gopher tipster goes on to discuss several things, including unhappiness with his coaching.
More is written about Ness and what a potential departure could mean here at Gopher Puck Live, where fans weigh in via comments.
EDIT: And
Personally, I'm an advocate of getting your degree -- to say nothing of the once-in-a-lifetime experience college provides. That said, once you've completed three years, finishing your degree from afar or via summer courses is usually more doable. It's a balancing act with your athletic developmental needs; if Ness is bent on turning pro and the Isles agree, good luck to him. Regardless, whether we hear something soon or we go through the drama's chapter 4 next year, I'd be shocked to see him in the NHL any time soon.
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There's either
some fudging with numbers (OMMFG no, really?) or the Coach at Minn is being disingenuous when he says,
They need maturity in the weight room. And I think our schedule for that age is better [than the AHL] for them. If you’re playing four games in five nights, you can’t get in the weight room, you can’t build your body.
If Ness came in to Minnesota at 5’10" 170 (as it says in the Gopher Puck Live article) and is now at 5"10 -177 (according to the above), then exactly how much building of the body has the favourable college schedule allowed Ness to do? Unless you’re a Smurf™ (ie., too small to be seen), 177 is going to get shoved around pretty badly in the NHL, and the reality is that he will have to depend not on bone crushing size but on Lidstrom-like positioning and skill if he is going to be more than a 5 minute per game fill in on the point on the PP. But seven pounds in 3 years of what is supposed to be a pretty good hockey program is a pretty huge fail IMO. Hell, I can do that in a weekend with a case of beer and two large pizzas.
While it appears from the Tweet that Ness has his problems with the D coach, if that’s the best Lucia can do, then the Isles should get the kid outta there and to a place where he can actually physically develop. Get him signed, get him a professional strength coach and get him into the weight room for the summer. Then we see what we have in an 82 game Sched, with little to no risk. The AHL is yours for the taking next season, my son, and from there, who knows? Everyone in the "A’’’s going to be watching CdH anyway, so whadda we got to lose?
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by Nova Scotia Isles Fan on Mar 15, 2011 8:16 AM EDT reply actions
If Ness came in to Minnesota at 5’10" 170 (as it says in the Gopher Puck Live article) and is now at 5"10 -177 (according to the above), then exactly how much building of the body has the favourable college schedule allowed Ness to do?
Brilliant. Get him outta there.
If in 3 years there’s been no progress w/ his game, not just his weight, I think we can find a spot for him in the pro ranks to see if he can make anything out of himself. Is anyone else emerging from the Minnesota program? Is there any evidence it’s a coaching thing as opposed to an Aaron Ness thing? Anyone getting drafted out of there?
They just lost to Anchorage who was the lower seed in the WCHA tourney, that’s a disappointing result.
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Minnesota the last four years:
GP.. W..L..T
2007–08 45 19 13 9 7th, WCHA Lost in NCAA First Round, 2–5 (Boston College)
2008–09 37 17 13 7 5th, WCHA
2009–10 39 18 19 2 7th, WCHA
2010-11 32 16 14 2 5th, WCHA
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5’10" 170 (as it says in the Gopher Puck Live article) and is now at 5"10 -177 (according to the above),
He could have just come to my house between Thanskgiving and New Year’s and easily have doubled that increase without impact his college eligibility.
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we'd have to check the NCAA rule book to see if they allow for "sustenance"
these are amateurs after all
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by Pauly C on Mar 15, 2011 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
rec'd like my tolerance for NCAA piety
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oh my yes
David Stern foisted Bettman on us, but there’s one thing that he can take back… the CBA regarding propspects in juniors/NCAA. It would be incredible for all concerned if basketball teams could draft players under the current age restriction rule and then hold their rights for the remainder of the player’s college careers – draft-and-follow the way NHL teams do. Rather than developing them through a terrible minor league or having them around with underdeveloped games and not-fully-mature bodies, have their rights held by a team that drafted them while they still get to play another year or so of college ball.
They can leave any time they want, or they can stay and (GASP!) possibly finish their education (yeah, I know, stop laughing – it’s been known to happen occasionally). The colleges keep their recruits a little longer and the NCAA game will improve in quality. The NBA gets more polished players in the end, and (whoa) improves in quality. And of course the players themselves have choices, just like they had over which college to play for.
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When guys arent that big, putting on a pile of lbs can damage their game, not make them better
Relatively smaller players arent gonna be able to plow down huge guys just because they eat bags of yodels. Smaller guys have to remain agile so they can play their game… and adding lbs is not always the answer. I stress this because it seems almost invariable that people call for players to add weight- and it is not a universally good idea.
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by TheMetalChick on Mar 16, 2011 11:34 PM EDT up reply actions
I was just offering an option for those fixated on weight
However, size cannot be completely ignored either. You don’t want him to look like Phil Kessel, but he needs to be able to physically handle the demands of the game. Either by being quicker and smarter or bigger and stronger.
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This would be his senior year...
If Ness manages to stay with Minn and puts on 20-30 lbs then I’m guessing that we will see an article explaining how it was Ness’ maturity time. Perhaps Cappy should take a look at the kid in the upcoming summer’s workshop. Would it not stand to reason that he would be the best judge at this point?
by metalcoconut on Mar 15, 2011 10:52 AM EDT up reply actions
Even JT admitted that coming from Juniors he wasn't preparing in the off-season like a pro.
That first summer prior to his rookie season I’m sure JT did everything he thought he should be doing to make it as a pro. Turns out last summer he had a whole new conditioning program that got him ready for the NHL and he stated that this was a big boost to his ability to play a consistent 70 games so far this season.
Applying the same logic to Ness, until he becomes a pro, he isn’t going to train like one and have the same advantages the pros have. It is his decision to stay or go, but bulking up doesn’t seem to be a major factor.
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why doesnt Cable have Isles pregame?
Looks like their only showing the Rags feed…sorry, for going off the subject…
by KO21 on Mar 15, 2011 8:26 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
Start trying out on wing?
I think that some of these smallish types have to consider it. At 5’9" 175, D is going to be pretty tough. Although, if anyone watched the Isle video with Grabs Amac and Jaffe, Jaffe dwarfed both of them. Grabs looked to be about 160 max!
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by Keith Quinn on Mar 15, 2011 8:38 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
That would be interesting
OTOH, it’s not too diffifcult for Ness to maybe put on 15 lbs of muscle in the offseason. Even so, better that he gets a year or two in at Bridgeport rather than throw him to the wolves up here.
Have to wonder if he leaves Minny there are other aspects to his game that start to develop in the AHL. Specially with an added 15 lbs.
He might get a call up but he would be behind quite a few guys as of now.
Wishart, CDH, probably even Katic & Kohn would be ahead. Plus the D UFA market is deep so we might add a player there. Then what if we draft Larsson or Hamilton? Either could make the team out of camp. I really see no way that he is not riding the bus for at least a year.
You mean to tell me shooting the puck from 70 feet out doesn't earn us extra goals?
what if we draft Larsson?
Why do you guys still do this to yourselves?
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by TheMetalChick on Mar 15, 2011 10:12 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
at this point drafting larsson would be a bad thing
because the only way it would happen is if he had a cam fowler like drop in the draft
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You can move up 5 spots in the lotto
So it could certainly happen. The point is that before anything happens he could find himself pretty far back on the depth charts. Even if Marti is not resigned, even if no FA’s are picked up and we draft a winger he will likely play most if not all next year in the AHL. But all those factors can add a significant number of additional bodies to jump on the depth chart.
You mean to tell me shooting the puck from 70 feet out doesn't earn us extra goals?
I say so whatt if he plays next year or the next three years in the AHL
There have been plenty of posts over the last month that show the Islanders have plenty of contract room flexibility to sign and develop him if they think he has a future. I don’t see the need to bring someone up next year as a defining factor as to whether he should be signed or not. Once signed, like most defenseman he’ll still be a solid two years away from being considered NHL ready.
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I'm looking at it more on his end
There really is no reason for him to skip his last year just to sit in BPT
You mean to tell me shooting the puck from 70 feet out doesn't earn us extra goals?
Not develop in college or sit in BPT.
I don’t know enough about him, the college program he is in or the AHL to know which would be worse for his development. He’ll get more playing time per game in the NCAA, but he’d play far less games and against weaker competition. Sometimes sitting, watching and learning is just as important as playing.
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Hey, Cam Fowler worked out alright!
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could not care less where he's drafted
If Larsson comes here I will root for him. If he’s a top-three talent that slides to us, high-fives all around. (That’s kind of how we’ve gotten a number of excellent players recently.) Literally don’t care at all about the draft slot if we get a solid player out of it.
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Here's my rant
Let teams with big intimidating D’s pick up a savy small player – the Isles have been size challenged thru- out their lineup. The big improvement this year is based at least on part to bigger tougher players who not only demand respect from the opposition but protect our smaller skill players. I wish Ness luck with another NHL team.
by altosax on Mar 15, 2011 9:19 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Totally agree
That is the one thing this team has lacked, especially at the blue line. Even now, we don’t have a crease clearing Dman. Hopefully Harmonic will turn into that guy as he grows into his body, but even he gets shoved around quite a bit I’ve noticed.
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we could argue about size all day
but if he’s talented then you sign him and see what happens. You need to accumulate talent, not discriminate. After the talent makes itself known, then you figure it out. Maybe he becomes a key part of a future trade.
When you’re rebuilding, I don’t think you ditch a guy just b/c of size. And he was the same height when they drafted him so they must be OK w/ that.
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There are some men who are way too fixated on size.
If some of you had your ways, the Isles would never have picked Grabs off waivers, youd prefer Garth picked up some gigantic awkward beast just because he “has size”. Cant you acknowledge that size is NOT everything?
Yes, size IS a factor- but jeez… to read the comments from so many hockey fans, its like bigger is always better, regardless. Its not. You want every player to “bulk up” and “add 15lbs” constantly calling for size size size, but the truth is that some guys would see their game decline significantly if they keep putting on lbs of muscle. And, big players are often more awkward players.
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oleg kvasha.
nuff said
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by Zhora on Mar 15, 2011 10:16 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
True, but...
….before we got “tough” this year, we were being pushed around without freedom to skate. We don’t want a bunch of Ty Wysharts out there, but without some size on some lines, the “smurfs” get pushed around. I always remember watching games and saying, “the other team just looks BIGGER then us”. And take a guy like Josh Bailey, he is a completely different player when he uses his body despite not being the biggest of the bunch. (I guess those soft core porns working out with chains is really helping him)
Having said that, I completely agree with you. I would think that you agree that toughness (i.e. ability to take a check, not get hurt as often, durability, etc.) is more important then strict size. As Zhora says, Oleg Kvashas need not apply for our team.
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by CharlieIsles on Mar 15, 2011 10:30 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Team needs a mix of skill and size either way
Its not like if they keep Ness then every other player in the lineup becomes two inches shorter. As long as there is a balance you can have a guy of Ness’ size if he brings the equivalent in terms of skill.
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I get your point...
but size is a BIG factor in the way they can set their defensive pairings. This was HUGE last year. The additions of Jurcina and Hamonic to the lineup may be the two BIGGEST upgrades… even with GRABNER.
Grabner may be a Calder candidate… may even win it. But for my money Hamonic is the TEAM’S rookie of the year.
Right now the team is still a little “smallish”. They need a little more size, especially up top… it wouldn’t be necessary if guys like Okposo and Comeau played bigger… but they don’t… they play physical, but neither is a FACTOR in front of the offensive net, or their own for that matter.
If Anders Lee plays hockey like he did football, then a lot of that is going to change soon enough. I really don’t care what Ness does.. honestly… I’d much rather see somebody talking Anders into starting his pro career ASAP.
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Size Helps
I’m in total agreement that size on D helps, but in terms of prospects it is hard to determine what our defensive pairings will look like next season, let alone three years from now so we can easily afford to see how he grows over is Enetry Level Contract.
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I buy that
He’s such a long-term project — I’m not even convinced the Isles would want him to leave now — that it’s hard to project what their needs will be whenever (and if) he becomes NHL ready.
So if you have a talent you believe in, develop it. Of course, about that belief…
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I just think
I would rather have a big guy who sucks than a small guy who sucks…if nothing else, they’re more tradeable (somebody will see something).
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by Keith Quinn on Mar 15, 2011 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Id rather
sign promising kids and find out who DOESNT suck, not judge them based on how many lbs they can pack on as a 20yo kid.
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by TheMetalChick on Mar 16, 2011 11:38 PM EDT up reply actions
This will now become a standard line
We don’t need him. Let him develop at his own pace and see what we have. It’s so good to be able to loo long term at a prospect without having to worry about the immediate need to get him into the NHL because your team sucks and doesn’t have 21 NHL calibre players.
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by Nova Scotia Isles Fan on Mar 15, 2011 12:18 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs

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