The Ones Who Walk Away From Nassau: Ex-Islanders Update
Some bits before the rundown: The Islanders are doing another Q&A with Garth Snow, who will answer questions live at 1 p.m. on Tuesday TODAY (sorry for the typo, live link here). ... Rob McGowan at The Hockey Writers has a one-on-one with Matt Moulson about the contract extension, including a fun chirp at his buddy and linemate John Tavares. Meanwhile, before the weekend in FanShots lostsin44 shared a cool write-up on Nino Niederreiter's adjustment to North America.
Now, the topic at hand: We haven't done one of these in a while, so here's a brief check-in with some of the recent Islanders who have flown away. This is focused mostly on last season's Islanders, but a few oddities from further back are worth noting, such as: Chris Simon is the KHL's most accurate shooter ... and Marc-Andre Bergeron made his Lightning debut yesterday with two assists, including on the 4-on-3 OT winner. Guy Boucher's praise of MAB's "sense of drama" made me guffaw.
Anyway, the superficial lesson you'll see after the jump: The Islanders castaway forwards from last year are all 30-point pace guys.
Richard Park's Geneva team coached by Chris McSorley has made the playoffs -- and here's a picture (and Google Translate article) of a quite ecstatic Park after scoring a winning goal against rival Fribourg. (Sounds like there are suggestions of financial troubles with the team though, which would be a shame.)
Maybe some of our Swiss friends at LHH can weigh in on how Park is doing, but I've always said that if your choice in your mid-30s is between a two-way deal (the rumored Isles offer) from a bottom five NHL team or a multi-year deal to play hockey for money in Switzerland, it's an easy choice.
Park's stats with Geneva Servette: 42 GP, 14-17-31, 14 PIM.
But you know who leads the team in scoring? Jeff freaking Toms. And Dan Fritsche and Brian Pothier are tied with Park at 31 points.
Sean Bergenheim
Among LHH regular commenters, our resident Dan Aykroyd (for this skit only) loves him; our resident Jane Curtain hates him. He is Sean Bergenheim, and he is doing the kind of job he's done most of his NHL career. Lightning fans sure appreciate him, and I suspect it's in part related to the clean slate of not having higher expectations dashed while watching him grow, and hold out. He's had the occasional shift with some of the Lightning stars, too, which never hurts.
For context, here's a look at how we evaluated and debated him in our report card last summer (before we knew the Islanders wouldn't qualify him). His current stats track closely to, if not a little short of, his last two seasons on Long Island.
I still view him as a solid mid-range NHLer, but if there were issues with the coach or GM over his role and playing time, I'm not losing sleep over his departure. I am a fan of depth -- better to keep your RFA assets and make something of them; but Bergenheim was reportedly dangled on the trade market without fetching bids. Harrumph. In any case, the Isles have bigger issues.
Nate Thompson
Last year's mid-season waiver claim, Thompson just signed a two-year extension with the Lightning. So this Scott Gordon favorite and frequent Isles fan whipping boy is living well under Guy Boucher. Thompson is by far Boucher's most-used forward on the PK -- and he actually only trails two Lightning defensemen in PK TOI per game.
Tim Jackman
Tim Jackman has 17 points despite skating only 8:53 per game. Eight-fifty-three! It's pretty much all even-strength time, as part of Calgary's fourth line that we saw last month is pretty effective as far as fourth lines go. As mentioned back during that Flames-Isles meeting, Jackman is loved by coach Brent Sutter and teammates alike.
It may not ever get better than this for the hard-nosed, no-nonsense Jackman, but for those who watched the man and appreciated his effort and the adaption through which he won a job with the Isles, that's plenty deserved. The ever-younger NHL is not forgiving to infantrymen who toil at the fringes of NHL lineups, but here's hoping this season translates into more NHL contracts for Jackman.
Jeff Tambellini
Alright, unlike the other forwards, Tambellini's 17 points have come in fewer than the 50 or so games most regulars have tallied so far. Still, it's funky to see Bergenheim, Jackman, Thompson and Tambellini all have nearly identical offensive totals.
Tambellini, of course, has benefited from some top-six time in various periods with either the Sedins or Ryan Kessler. His role hasn't been stable -- he was even sent back to the AHL briefly early in the year -- but he's converted enough of those early opportunities to get some nice press.
Ah, but then there's this: He's a healthy scratch again, having logged just one assist in 15 games and making way for Cody Hodgson, the Canucks' pick from the Josh Bailey draft. Continuing a trend from his latter Islanders years, Tamby is still hitting. But when the numbers don't come, he gets put into that tweener limbo again.
He's basically putting up Rob Schremp production right now (37GP, 9-12-21) on a much stronger team, which depending on your own bias says something about him, or Schremp, or both.
Andy Sutton
Here's how awkward Sutton's season has been: He's not even near the Ducks' leaders in hits per game. He's still blocking shots though, and after an opening-night injury and poor early play landed him as fourth-line winger for a few games (including during the Isles-Ducks meeting), his play has settled down.
Still, the Ducks signed him for two years and perhaps they'll get a better season out of him next year -- a condition that is sadly familiar and, I suspect, a reason the Isles didn't bring him back. We talk about "injury-prone" being an unfair label for any player, but there is something to being burned by it repeatedly that makes you gun-shy. Personally, I've always seen Sutton as a very nice player to have when everything is going right (health, form, role), but the caveat is that everything rarely goes right for consecutive seasons. I wouldn't be surprised if last season was Sutton's peak performance, which is why I wasn't betting on an encore.
Still: Watch him prove this non-expert wrong next season.
Brendan Witt
As an Islanders fan I loved Brendan Witt for all of his "warrior"-ing and SUV-defying beastliness. Which made it all the harder for me to spend much of the early life of this website recording his decline. Giving him the fan's benefit of the doubt, I spent much of that time wondering if his quite evident inability to keep up were due to him playing through injury so many times.
He doesn't appear to be playing hockey this year. You tell me whether that's because of another person, or because of natural causes that eventually hit every NHL player.
Martin Biron
Martin Biron plays for The Other Side now, so he is dead to me.
No, seriously: Biron has rebounded nicely and provided the Rangers the backup stability they sought, which he was never able to put together in an awkward three-goalie year with the Isles. That's no small accomplishment when playing under John Tortorella, who isn't shy about blaming even his franchise goalie for bad times.
Biron's even-strength save percentage of .926 is just three tics below Henrik Lundqvist's (.929), but here's an oddity of small samples: While Lundqvist's PK save percentage is .874, Biron's is .926 in 16 games. That is the kind of number that can change dramatically with one poor night by your PK unit. But it's interesting anyway. Biron's PK Sv% last season was .833 in 29 games, worse than both Dwayne Roloson's and Rick DiPietro's.
Again, I caution that a goalie's special teams save percentages have been found not to be predictably sustainable over time, so don't read too much into them. However, they are reflections of what has actually happened. And in this case, what has actually happened is what this post is all about.
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According to the voters at Hockey-Fights
That hasn’t changed much this year…
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Appreciation
On my planet, I would liked to have seen him made captain based on his tenacity alone. Seriously.
by IamJacksSplitSave on Feb 7, 2011 1:21 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
He was a great 4th liner and team player. I miss him a lot too.
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by OzzyFan on Feb 7, 2011 10:44 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Not exactly fair
But all of the forwards have more points than Josh Bailey.
/Josh Bailey pile-on week continues!
I actually thought about going there...
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He deserves it, doesn’t he?
Maybe he needs some critics to light a fire under him. I intend to do my part.
in defense
exhibit A: we took him 9th overall…. possibly would have been able to get him 39th
exhibit B: on 28 other teams, he likely enjoys a Memorial Cup, WJC Gold, and seasoning in the AHL before he even gets to the show…
exhibit C: the isles have stunted him by continually changing his position and moving him up and down all 4 lines
now i realize he’s been a bust to this point, but he’s shown glimpses, is still only 20 and is by no means at the point where he should be written off…
NYI Hockey! We'll get that winless month yet!
Can't argue with that ...
Except I doubt he’d of been there at 39th … maybe 15th … But who am I? I only heard of Bailey a little bit before the draft.
by 19 Isle in NJ 22 on Feb 7, 2011 5:25 PM EST up reply actions
Criticism yes, piling on no
He’s really too young, he’s in the league before he probably should have been (just look at his peers in that draft), and his current offensive stats are poor but aren’t a reflection of his overall game.
So I’m not thrilled with his offensive production right now, but it doesn’t alarm me in the prevailing “OMG he’s not a big scorer!” kind of way, based on the other strengths in his game that indicate a long-term quality player.
I really disagree that one of the reasons he’s been moved around is because he’s playing poorly though. He’s bee moved around because of Schremp. Bailey’s not used in a featured offensive role, and they’re hoping he puts up more numbers from that lesser role. I’m fine with that and expecting to have to wait at this age.
So, yes, he should know more is expected of him. But the comparisons to Schremp or a lot of other players who are older usually paves a debate path that I think misses the point, so I try not to restart all that.
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I don't really see that
I’ve never understood why folks were so quick to jump on the Bailey bandwagon. Even putting aside his poor offensive stats, his RPM and Corsi are generally mediocre at best. I just don’t get where this reputation of being a solid two-way player comes from (except maybe at the AHL level).
I also don’t buy the not “featured” in an offensive role thing. Why wouldn’t he be if he could handle it? He’s always been given ample ice time but has yet to show he can do anything with it.
That’s fine and all, and maybe he’ll grow into a productive role, particularly given perhaps his mismanagement earlier in his career. But I would have hoped he’d have done more with his game now that he’s nearing almost three seasons in the NHL.
Because he's heard of his own zone, which is rare
I also don’t buy the not "featured" in an offensive role thing. Why wouldn’t he be if he could handle it?
Because those roles go to the top PP unit and the other two lines? His minutes, even his PP minutes, generally accumulate from the scraps afforded the second unit, and he’s not put out there for offensive zone faceoffs the way the points-collecting top line is. That’s probably the right move — he’s not the threat to score that JT is — but it doesn’t change that his opportunities are fewer.
The two-way rep comes from underlying numbers and from the relative rarity for players at his age to have a half-competent defensive conscience at the NHL level. Rob Schremp at 24 doesn’t have it. Tavares, younger, doesn’t have it but JT has exceptional offensive skills that earn, or at least garner, him a pass.
So I hoped for more at this point from Bailey, too. I even think, just observationally, his defensive behavior has stalled or at least had fits and starts this year. I just don’t share a lot of the opinions (positive and negative) about what it all means at this opint: I do not believe we have a strong indication of what kind of player he will ultimately be, and I think that’s very much to do with age and opportunity.
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His minutes, even his PP minutes, generally accumulate from the scraps afforded the second unit, and he’s not put out there for offensive zone faceoffs the way the points-collecting top line is. That’s probably the right move — he’s not the threat to score that JT is — but it doesn’t change that his opportunities are fewer.
Isn’t that the same thing of saying he’s not playing on the top scoring lines because he is not a top scoring threat? That’s how I see the causal chain running.
(General disclaimer: if you like, you can add “at least right now” to every negative statement I make about Bailey if you’re inclined to think he may improve, end up in HOF, etc.)
Sure — or it’s saying they have a top scoring threat named Tavares in that role.
His numbers look pretty ugly right now, but they’re a good/lucky or bad/unlucky week off of the rest of the Isles’ second-tier scorers. Because he’s not given the minutes or opportunity of a first-line threat (nor should he be, in my estimation), I don’t expect him to be putting up those types of numbers.
I’m not arguing he should be a first-line scorer — but I don’t know anyone who’s ever hoped or wanted him to be a Tavares; I’m arguing that it’s too soon to identify the likelihood of him fulfilling expectations (two-way second-line center), that his numbers aren’t as disappointing as many make them out to be, and that people in general tend to look at boxscore numbers and make a judgment that’s completely devoid of context.
It’s like, what would people have said about…oh I don’t know, Michael Grabner at age 21? Well, he was in the AHL, producing similarly to what Bailey did this season in the A.
Lighthouse Hockey: "I’m starting to feel like Charlie Brown and Lucy is holding our goaltender." -Hockey1919
I am anxious for Josh to start to develop into a top two center
if only so that AP will have to consume some crow.
For the record
In case there is any confusion or otherwise, I am not saying that we should get rid of or Milbury Bailey or anything like that.
I’m just doing my part to ensure that he gets a performance appropriate amount of shit on this here Internet message board, thus providing a tiny amount of meaning to my otherwise hollow and pointless life.
The spirit is appreciated
I would challenge you to a hollow life duel, but that would give my life a dangerous level of sudden meaning.
I think the younger homegrowns get way more leeway…which probably isn’t fair game to game but probably is fair for their age. Poulin doesn’t get nearly the same amount of crap for mishandling the puck that DiPietro does — either because people still have hope Poulin will learn what DP has not, or because Poulin hasn’t yet driven them to drink.
Lighthouse Hockey: "I’m starting to feel like Charlie Brown and Lucy is holding our goaltender." -Hockey1919
A longer horizon on JB
He was Top /- (5) on the Isles last year so I get the 2 way thing and that he’s taken a step back. But I take it this all to mean that he’s really young and the peers to compare him to aren’t or have just got to the NHL so it’ll be a few more years before we really see what JB can do
I don't know if it's better linemates, steady linemates, or a learning curve, but bailey definitely needs to step his game up.
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Players landing somewhere between Bailey and Schremp
So I think Snow has done better than I would have given him credit for, at least in terms of offensive production, but he has given away a little bit of the grit. The forwards named above were competing for the spots currently filled by PAP, Comeau, Grabner, Schremp, Martin, Konopka and Joensuu which I think is a more talented group, but he may need tweak chemistry a little more to have a few more combative players that can play more minutes..
Bailey’s name doesn’t even belong in this part of the conversation since he was already signed and not part of the RFA/UFA decision making process.
Sarcasm is my permanent font.
Only one game
Give the man some time already!
Lighthouse Hockey: "I’m starting to feel like Charlie Brown and Lucy is holding our goaltender." -Hockey1919
Ok good for him but,
He was defensively challenged for us.
by Russel Ginart on Feb 7, 2011 1:47 PM EST up reply actions
Has a lot to do with the fact that the whole team is challenged in, well, everything. He’s also not being asked to be a de facto #1 d-man in Montreal, which suits him better, I think.
by AP77 on Feb 7, 2011 1:52 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Yeah
Amac is doing it now for 3mil. less. Also, I think Wiz has cooled considerably since an initial hot start (just had one of those…what do you call ’em? Deja something…hmm).
"Gervais...he looks danger in the fist with his face!" JPinVA
Wiz really wasn't asked to be a #1 with NYI though
I mean, he was very briefly, but they quickly saw what a circus that was and reduced his EV role. He was then asked to man the PP and handle average competition at even strength.
Wiz iz Wiz. If he turns that into a significant raise, good for him and LOL for his next GM.
Lighthouse Hockey: "I’m starting to feel like Charlie Brown and Lucy is holding our goaltender." -Hockey1919
OFF TOPIC
BUT…Ray Emery signed with Anaheim one year two-way contract. Too slow, Snow. HA.
Youth WILL be served!!
The REBUILD marches on!!
you know what we need now
We need Anaheim to trade him to the Isles for Nabokov, let BOTH of them be exposed to waivers, and see who actually winds up with the goalies. WHEEEEEEEE fun
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Why does Emery need to clear waivers?
He was injured and not playing, he wasn’t in another professional league was he? If he is sent to the AHL it could be on a conditioning stint like DP and not be covered by waivers. Am I missing something? Isn’t he like Forsberg who just signed with the AValanche?
Sarcasm is my permanent font.
Just going on that link to the right. Because he’s a veteran and being assigned to the AHL, supposedly he has to clear waivers.
I just like the idea of the Isles hording goalie rights through the waiver process.
if they assign him to the minors he has to clear
I’m not sure why the conditioning exemption doesn’t apply here… perhaps because he wasn’t under contract and therefore wasn’t on LTIR. I really think Anaheim would be justified in getting an exemption in his case, however.
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2 week rehab clause
If he were going down for only two weeks he wouldn’t need to clear waivers, but since he is not going down just for two weeks he clears waivers on the way down and not on the way back up. If I read the article correctly.
Sarcasm is my permanent font.
Sounds unlikely though, given that we’d have to carry three goalies until he’s ready to go, which apparently might not even be this year. I wouldn’t have cared about throwing a rusty Nabakov out there before he was ready, but kind of jive to do that to a guy coming off a major injury.
by afrosupreme on Feb 7, 2011 7:28 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
How does Nate have 7 goals
He couldn’t even hit open net shots from 30 feet away with the Isles
I was at that game.
It was absolutely hysterical.
by sayvillelax94 on Feb 7, 2011 4:16 PM EST up reply actions
Welcome sayvillelax
Thanks for joining!
Lighthouse Hockey: "I’m starting to feel like Charlie Brown and Lucy is holding our goaltender." -Hockey1919
I hated that ranger game. I was at that game with a lot of my ranger fan friends. I wanted to shoot myself, he could have walked that in after lundqvist fell.
Proud Islanders fan, the team that held that iced the greatest team to ever play the game and win 4 straight cups.
Luck, it does the darndest things
Lighthouse Hockey: "I’m starting to feel like Charlie Brown and Lucy is holding our goaltender." -Hockey1919
They have bigger nets in Tampa and the zones are smaller.
Sarcasm is my permanent font.
they're counting practice goals
#danellisproblems
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Dom, you ignorant slut!
Sean Bergenhiem was a key cog in the rebuilding of this team. His ever evolving penalty killing abilities, and third/fourth line production was destined to be the benchmark for renaissance players throughout the league. His feisty play was paled only by your Machiavellian ability to derail any modicum of playoff hopes with your early season pr*j*ct**ns…
[that’s as close as I can get to an Akroyd moment without pulling up some video]

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Nice!
Hope I didn’t offend with the Aykroyd comparison (overall I value your comedy more than his, but you have to take the roles that come available).
Lighthouse Hockey: "I’m starting to feel like Charlie Brown and Lucy is holding our goaltender." -Hockey1919
I actually like Akroyd...
so I’m cool with it.
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I like some of his stuff enough
But I’d trade him for a 1st round pick if the offer came. He and Chase in Spies Like Us was right up my alley.
Lighthouse Hockey: "I’m starting to feel like Charlie Brown and Lucy is holding our goaltender." -Hockey1919
Frans Neilsen is a shutdown center
Neilsen is a sniper!
No, he’s a shutdown center, you idiot!
He’s a sniper, you great cow!
Hold on you guys – Frans Neilsen is BOTH! Look, we’ll apply some Frans Neilsen to this opposing forward, and some of him here in this shootout.
WOW! He erased that forward! I can’t even tell there was a scoring chance!
And look at that Backhand of Judgment!
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The Frans-o-Matic '51
Mmmm, now that’s terrific herring!
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He's a dessert topping... no he's a floor wax!
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Resident Genevan reporting for duty
Richard Park came out firing on all cylinders and was the lone satisfaction during Geneva’s very slow start of the season. Now that the team is picking up steam, he’s cooled down a bit, but he’s precious on the PK, along the boards and in the transition game, a domain that has long been lacking here. He isn’t the most efficient shooter in the team (in the blue frame above, you can see him blowing an opportunity), but he creates enough chances for himself to score goals regularly anyway. Usually, that’s a sharp-angle shot from his office near the left post, as he did against Fribourg. He’s probably on pace to break Philippe Bozon’s record for most shots on the posts in a season, too.
I agree with you on the choice between two-way and Switzerland. Especially since playing in Switzerland means a lighter schedule and the opportunity to sleep at home every night, which is nice when you have a family.
Jeff “When Healthy” Toms, mind you, wins faceoffs, makes nice passes, keeps puck possession in the offensive zone and deflects shots, all of which helps him piling on points while hardly ever playing a full season. He’s also pretty good at converting those RSH-style, 2-mph shootout attempts.
Speaking about injuries, that might remind you something, but Genève-Servette has played with 3 D-men by trade for a few games at the end of January. So all this injury mess might be because of me, in fact.
About the financial troubles, the team management announces multi-million losses for two seasons now and has just sent second line RW Thomas Déruns to Bern for cash, which has fed the rumor mill. On the other hand, they had hired Providence’s Juraj Šimek just before. And it is in their interest to exaggerate their losses, since (that might remind you something #2) they are arm-wrestling with the Town about the renovation of an arena even older than Doug Weight or the ability to build another. (Arena, not Doug Weight.) But there’s a real opacity in the finances of sport teams in Switzerland, and even more so for Genève-Servette. So probably only the team president and our beloved coach-GM-stakeholder know what the situation really is.
There are other former Isles currently playing in Switzerland. Jon Sim had a very anonymous first four games with Fribourg. (1G 0A). Not scoring, not being the pest either. I hardly noticed him in that Geneva-Fribourg game, though I tried my best. He probably needs more time to adjust. One of his current teammates is former Isles draft pick Björn Melin (19GP 10G 5A), by the way.
And to punish me from making disparaging comments here before the season began, Mike Iggulden’s Langnau Tigers clinched a playoff spot for the first time in 13 tries. Iggulden leads the team in points with 12 goals and 26 assists in 47 games.
by Kaonashi on Feb 7, 2011 8:24 PM EST reply actions 3 recs
I love this update so much
Awesome, Kaonashi. Thanks for giving us all this insight! There are more jewels and zingers in this one than I can count.
I can’t believe I didn’t even bother to check up on Sim. I guess there was nothing to see there. ;)
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brilliant, thanks Kaonashi!
They can build a new Doug Weight, who knew?
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If Witt was on this team, I bet our players wouldn't see half of the cheap stuff we've been dealing with this year or over the last couple games.
His declining play aside, he didn’t let ANYONE get away with messing with his teammates without giving back retribution one way or another. Damn I miss him a lot.
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by OzzyFan on Feb 7, 2011 10:48 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
And is thompson really getting 15min/gm? Damn.
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The Nate/Bergenheim factor
If not for the Stamkos line TBs a pretty bad team. Hence Bergy and Nate can pick off where they left off.
by neologizer on Feb 8, 2011 12:15 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
i wanna know what happened with the Bergie penalty shot
did he take a slapshot in the slot that split MAF’s mask in 2 and give him a nice scar on his face?
one can dream
Jeff Toms
I seem to remember that he played for the Islanders briefly in the long, long ago. However, I’m mostly surprised that he’s still playing hockey.

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