NHL Trade Deadline [open thread]
by Dominik on Feb 27, 2011 2:09 PM EST
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PrintUPDATE Monday 3 p.m. EST: The Trade Deadline has passed, and the Islanders have ... done nothing. The only roster moves were Nathan Lawson clearing waivers and Rob Schremp...not. Schremp was claimed by Atlanta. For those interested, I will discuss the deadline with Steven Grill on Binghamton radio WHRW 90.5 FM Binghamton at 4:30 p.m EST Monday.
The trade speculation has spilled over into Saturday night's recaps and FanShots -- Strang tweeting that Radek Martinek garners "lots of interest" from teams East and West -- so please consider this post our LHH open thread for NHL Trade Deadline discussion (Islanders and otherwise) from now on through the deadline. If it fills up too much, we'll start another one; if there is an Islanders move, we'll create a separate thread dedicated to that. (Note: WebBard's Sunday Bridgeport/prospect update is here.)
First, one plea: You can discuss rumors for argument's sake here, but please do not post every rumor or "my source says" from every hack, sewer-dweller or other sap who runs a rumor site or Twitter account. That request is an (lhh5). If you see rumors, do not share them as if they are true/happening, because usually they are not. In fact, you know the best way to discuss any rumor or report? Take the extra few seconds to post your source and include a link (if on the Web; otherwise cite radio/TV/your janitor, etc.) Then we're covered, and no one gets misled.
A Few Trade Deadline Resources
Our trade deadline primer from last week, just so you know the existing opinion/debate at this site, and so you can bust me for being wrong.
- Waiver Questions: Rob Schremp Hockey (and Nathan Lawson) was placed on waivers Saturday. That means the 48-hour period isn't up until Monday at noon. We will not know RSH's fate until then. His waiving could have been a message, a procedural move in case the Isles add bodies, an attempt to cut bait, or an attempt to get him to BPT. We'll know more Monday afternoon.
- Katie Strang's Twitter account: @KatieStrangNYI. If the Isles are doing it, she'll have it in due time.
- Bob McKenzie's Twitter account: @TSNBobMcKenzie. The man doesn't spend decades building up credibility just to troll in rumors. If you see it on his account, you can trust it.
- NHL's Trade Deadline blog: A surprisingly good one, with multiple contributors. Their trade tracker.
- TSN's NHL page: It's not the only source, but it's a good one.
- Finally, here's that SB Nation NHL Trade Deadline feed again, with posts from all our team-centric blogs.
Have fun. The Islanders shouldn't be too busy, but you never know. Either way, this is a great chance to shoot the breeze about all the comings and goings in the NHL.
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Greeting From a Former Lurker!
Long time Long Islander and Isles fan, now living in Rags country (Rockland county). Just saw an article on Yahoo by Nicholas Cotsonika. He said that Zenon Konopka could be a rental option for some teams. i find this highly unlikely…at least I hope so! Z is my man!
Someone would have to seriously overpay
Z’s not the greatest player, but the intangibles are off the chart.
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by Mark D on Feb 27, 2011 2:52 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I hope youre right
Let Us Go, Islanders! (Ever notice how strange that sounds without the contraction?)
by TheMetalChick on Feb 27, 2011 10:15 PM EST up reply actions
nothing at TSN about that
Though Dale Tallon continues to dispense players like Pez… Wideman to the Caps for a third and a prospect; and Dvorak to Atlanta for Bergfors and Rismiller.
Patrick Rismiller always makes me think of Bohemian Rhapsody.
RIS-MILL-ER nooooooo! we will not let him go! (Let him goooooo!)
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Greetings, and welcome!
Z seems like that prototypical playoff acquisition — faceoffs, fiery demeanor, a guy who can fight without wasting a spot in the lineup. I bet the tires are at least kicked, esp. since you’d think his price would be low.
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He does seem to fit a playoff mold very well
I just hope Snow keeps em and signs him. He fits the team well, and he’s helped the chemistry with the team a lot.
Side note, I’ve also seen that Martinek is disposable and we can get another FA. This is probably true, but really, the guy loves playing here and has played here most of his career. I challenge anyone to find players who enjoy staying here.
by Meet Me at the Lighthouse on Feb 27, 2011 3:05 PM EST up reply actions
That is my reservation with shipping off either of those guys
We’ve seen that the Isles have issues attracting players. Konopka is an odd one because of his strange mix of skills that, when added with the intangibles, isn’t as replaceable as it appears. If he goes, I have to think management doesn’t want him having quite such a dominant presence in the room.
Martinek, his age and injuries are a glaring concern but on the flip-side his asking price to stay will surely be low. That’s why I said I wouldn’t deal him for less than a 2nd, but even then I still worry about blueline depth next year.
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He could always be a true rental
There is nothing stopping him from signing back here even if he is traded.
You mean to tell me shooting the puck from 70 feet out doesn't earn us extra goals?
True, but you rarely see this happen.
One can hope though
by Meet Me at the Lighthouse on Feb 27, 2011 4:05 PM EST up reply actions
It's crossed my mind
Especially Martinek. I’m pr*j*ct*ng, but he just seems like the type who would want to come back ASAP.
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Z
I’m hoping Konopka gets brought back, but it doesn’t make sense for Garth to give him an extension prior to the deadline. If there’s a team out there willing to overpay for Z you don’t want to lose out on that chance by signing him now. However, overpaying Konopka would be what, a 3rd rounder? Not sure if that’s much a steal for Garth anyway. My money is on Z being an Islander next season.
Z seems like that prototypical playoff acquisition — faceoffs, fiery demeanor, a guy who can fight without wasting a spot in the lineup. I bet the tires are at least kicked, esp. since you’d think his price would be low.
Agreed- but I want him for OUR playoff run- next season!
Let Us Go, Islanders! (Ever notice how strange that sounds without the contraction?)
by TheMetalChick on Feb 27, 2011 10:15 PM EST up reply actions
That a way, Cappy
On a morning after a solid effort, yet when many players have the mental fizzies because of the pending trade deadline (and waivers), Capuano kept it light:
When the Islanders players arrived at the Coliseum for practice this morning they were informed things would be a little different.
"I wanted to keep it light today," Capuano said. "We had some fun, we drafted some teams in the morning. We did three skill competitions."
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by Dominik on Feb 27, 2011 3:22 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
This is a great article
I love Wisharts car joke and Z putting a C on his jersey. Is that true about Grabner? I want piles of pics lol.
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by TheMetalChick on Feb 27, 2011 10:16 PM EST up reply actions
They’ve gotta have pics if that’s true!
I gotta say, when you’re going through a lost season this is exactly the kind of team I want. This beats in-fighting and veterans wanting out by a long, long margin.
Lighthouse Hockey: Send us your cold, your poor, your healthy goalies.
by Dominik on Feb 27, 2011 11:18 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
The NHL...
should have given Kessel a SHAKE WEIGHT (NHL Network Sponsor).
And then the isles could have given Wishart a Bob’s recliner.
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Yeah, so if Garth trades KO,
it’s akin to trading Tom Seaver in ’77
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Dee thinks the Martinek deal may be close (for a 2nd).
Tweeted around noon. It’ll be sad but of any names tossed around the net I would think he is most likely to go (if anyone).
You mean to tell me shooting the puck from 70 feet out doesn't earn us extra goals?
We agree on Martinek
We need him with our weak backline. He has had a good season. Hate to rub it in but I’ve been telling the RHS story since the season began. Obviously Garth has observed his ice capades imitation from above all season. Did you catch his giving up the puck last night and then standing around watching the goal being scored.?
What's there to rub in?
Hate to rub it in but I’ve been telling the RHS story since the season began.
Heh, you mention it so much I doubt you “hate” it — perhaps an obsession? All of RHS’s weaknesses have been patently obvious and frequently noted since the day he was acquired, which was the reason he was available. The difference is with an offensively talented low-cost asset like that you can afford to see if they can evolve/round out their game. Especially when the next center in line is Jeremy Colliton. (Or, if on the wing, Rhett, but Rhett still needs seasoning.)
RSH has put up points (top six in EV pts./60 minutes) and yet lacked three-zone effectiveness. (I’d say “defense,” but it’s more than that, such as the drive-by forecheck as often noted.) I’m surprised they didn’t try to use him more as a PP specialist, but I think they wanted to go through the process of seeing if he could be a passable 3rd center or winger — and not “3rd” as in “checker” but rather 3rd as in "can put up points against the opposition’s middle lines.
How it’s proceeded has always been the most likely scenario, but you can’t cash in lottery tickets if you don’t try.
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In my opinion...........
RHS was an AHL player from the start, and will probably end up there. We can argue where he should have played and with whom, but the fact is he is a soft player who avoids contact and the dirty area of the game. You can say that all players don’t have to be physical, but in my opinion all players have to have a modicum of heart and guts in this game and he came up wanting. Its too bad because there is skill there but this weakness trumps most other qualities. I think they were very patient with him before they tore up his ticket. We will soon know whether another GM sees potential there.
I can’t speak to his heart or guts, only that it’s smart and of zero risk that they tried. Guys like Tambellini, Grabner, Afinogenov, Schremp — teams give them chances because the skill is there and it’s a very early age to give up on someone when the payoff could be huge. I believe Justin Bourne’s impression of Moulson years ago was of a no-contact goal/glory seeker. No doubt similar conversations will be had if/when Kabanov arrives.
I agree they’ve been patient. Schremp’s injuries last spring and this fall did not help speed the process.
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I believe Justin Bourne’s impression of Moulson years ago was of a no-contact goal/glory seeker.
Moulson still has a tendency to hang around center ice while the puck is in the defensive end. If I was coaching him it would have driven me nuts. It Drives me nuts when I see it.
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All I wanna know is...
… who the heck’s “RHS”??? You guys keep talking about him, but I only know of a RSH. ;-)
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by ICanSeeForIslesAndIsles on Feb 28, 2011 9:15 AM EST up reply actions
Properly, it's HRHS
His Royal Hockeyness, Schremp I.
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Ah, so we have some royalty on the team?
Perhaps if the refs realized that, we wouldn’t consistently get the shaft. So, when is he declaring war?
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by ICanSeeForIslesAndIsles on Feb 28, 2011 12:26 PM EST up reply actions
Z brings heat to the locker room--
he has been talking Isles pride all year and he barked at the Toronto media about calling us doormats. Also he was our General Patton in the trenches during VP Day Feb 11th (Victory over the Pens) and I bet he masterminded it in the locker room or at least partially. He told off a hockey god (Mario) and Id keep him just to learn what he said to Talbot when he went to pimp slap him but didnt and just held him to the ice. Trading this guy would put such a moral hole in the locker room. The guy is THE MAN on the team Gotta keep him Maybe even give him a big A on his sweater next year.
by Torch7 on Feb 27, 2011 4:24 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
totally agree with you
Let Us Go, Islanders! (Ever notice how strange that sounds without the contraction?)
by TheMetalChick on Feb 27, 2011 10:17 PM EST up reply actions
I would not be opposed to Z getting the C
The guy has really become the leader of this team. He’s the one always talking to the refs, talking to the media. Remember he was called in to see Colon after the Battle of Uniondale, ostensibly because there was the issue of whether or not he jumped off the bench to fight, but I would imagine also because of his reputation as a leader of this team.
Garth – sign that man.
This is not 'Nam, Smokey. This is hockey. There are rules.
by cunch punch on Feb 27, 2011 7:14 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Disagree on the C
Z is obviously a leader on the team but when it’s all said and done we want a leader who produces. Konopka’s ability to yap at the opposition, the media, and anyone who will listen is great for the locker room but ideally I’d like the Captain to be someone who you throw on the ice when the chips are down. A captain needs to lead by example on the ice, not just in the locker room, and as much as I love Konopka he doesn’t have the minutes to justify a C.
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by ArsenalLI on Feb 28, 2011 1:58 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
yeah, that's the only issue
Unfortunately it’s a big one. The question then is, who gets the C? KO’s name has been thrown around for a whle and if he was healthy this whole season it would have been a great opportunity to see what type of leader he could be. But, then… you know… islander luck….
This is not 'Nam, Smokey. This is hockey. There are rules.
I'm against moving Martinek for only a pick.
With Streit and Jurcina still out, this team needs a veteran dmen around. I’m not even thinking about the playoffs…I’m more worried about injuries resulting from players being asked to do too much. However, if Garth can package Martinek with a pick, and get a good prospect in return, I’m all for it.
by backstop87 on Feb 27, 2011 4:46 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Gottta Agree
I too am against moving either of these guys(Marty or Z) as both have a far greater value to us this year than any return we would get. They both WANT to be here and would resign reasonably for next year. We must keep this kind of guy.
Nearly enough defensemen to last through the injury bug
I don't think Martinek's coming back
With Kohn, Katic and Wishart waiting in the wings. And then you have at least De Haan and I’m sure Dehart whose had a solid season is going to get a look in camp. Then you have Mottau, Eaton and Jurcina all signed for next year too.
It’s sad to see Martinek go, but I can’t see Snow just giving up on Kohn/Katic/Wishart without giving them a fair shot. Look at how many games Reese got along with the time spent on the Island.
If Martinek’s traded I suspect he’s done as a player with the Islanders. I think Snow is jumpy with over 35 contracts to damaged goods after the whole Witt mess.
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Hope your wrong
But your resoning is strong.
Nearly enough defensemen to last through the injury bug
As we move along
We’ll be singin’ a song.
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Just to join the throng...
The song won’t be BANG A GONG
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Confused me, this song always has
I can get into getting it on, and I can get into banging gongs, but what one has to do with the other is either my own cultural blindness or an aversion to easy rhymes.
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Not to get even more off topic...
I was posthumous Marc Bolan fan, and knowing most of his catalog i found it confusing that his biographers called him the English Dylan or Morrison…
No doubt the the lizard king banged a few gongs before his untimely demise but I highly doubt mr. zimmerman will ride a white swan before his.
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by JPinVA on Feb 28, 2011 3:00 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
and what's a hubcap diamond-star halo?
Built like a car, o yeah….
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You're probably right
I just don’t believe in Kohn, need plenty more from Wishart, and Katic is another wait-and-see. To me all three of those guys need to grab the opportunity when they get it (through injury to established NHLers) and not before.
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Not so fast
Kohn is never going to be solid NHL defenseman. We need to see a lot more from Wishart. He is too passive and his positoning is terrible. Katic is just an inexperienced Hillen. Not too many spots for guys like them on the squad and they have 3 years invested in Hillen, whom they can keep for well under a million.
Martinek is an excellent, excellent defenseman. His only issue of course is injuries. If he wants to hang around the island for a few more years at 1.5M per, it would take at least a 2nd rounder to trade him. Then I would try to get him back to the island this summer.
The only thing is, look at what it took for Katic and Wishart to actually crack the lineup this year. An absolute debacle that only and Islander fan could find believable. To me I’d be surprised if more than one of Kohn, Katic, Wishart, Klementyev, DeHaan, or Dehart start with the Isles out of camp (assuming no injuries). With the decimation of the blueline this year, and the amount of burn we’ve seen Bruno and Reese get, you have to think they STRONGLY feel these guys aren’t ready.
Additionally, I know De Haan and Dehart aren’t available for this season, but they both should start at Bridgeport at best next year.
However, I don’t see bringing Martinek backas not giving these guys a fair shot. The reality is there will be injuries next year too, and there will be callups. I don’t see Snow bringing in any more Eaton/Mottau types this offseason, because to me the fair shot would be letting the young kids provide the depth next season.
The problem with Bruno
Is that he is an NHL level defender. If he was sent through waivers he would most likely be claimed. Same with Hillen.
Also Kohn/Katic suffered through some injuries early in the year, that’s part of why Hamonic got the callup.
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by Mark D on Feb 27, 2011 8:40 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I'm very worried about a repeat of the FMIV scenario.....
…..are we so certain that Radek WOULD return next season? Freddy Meyer didn’t this past, although how much that had to do with a decision by management hasn’t ever been made 100% clear – to ME, anyhow…..
I’m pretty sure they didn’t bother with FMIV over the summer. He didn’t sign with Atlanta until very late.
We know they offered Sim and Park two-way deals. Meyer took a two-way deal with Atlanta (again, very late), so I imagine if the same were on the table from the Isles earlier in the summer, he’d have stayed put.
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cough
wish we would have kept FMIV over bringing in Mottau
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by Mark D on Feb 27, 2011 8:06 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
FMIV over Mottau?
In a frickin heartbeat and all day long.
YES!
Count me in the list of the befuddled.
I find it odd that Gordon called for “size, size, size” and got Mottau, Eaton and Wisniewski. HA… Capuano asked for a healthy defender and got Hamonic… (this is one area where Gordon got the “short” end of the stick).
Like I said before, I don’t see Eaton and Mottau BOTH finding secure jobs when they return.
As far as Marty goes, Snow has shown little faith in defenders with health issues. I think he made a statement with such a small blueline last year letting Sutton go. Marty is way more valuable to the team, but the turnover is at FULL THROTTLE, and he’ll have on ice leadership with Striet returning, and hopefully four top four guys in Streit, AMAC, Hamonic and Jurcina…then Eaton/Mottau…then a long list of guys another year older… another season wiser.
They may need a cheaper option like an Erskine type… to be a solid 15Min tough guy on the back line. If they go through another year of injuries (which Marty is on schedule for) like this year we’d be looking at another top 5 pick regardless of all the good that has happened.
Let’s get a second for Marty if we can, and may use that to get something tangible on draft day. I’m not in love with the idea, but I don’t think Marty will be back regardless.
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Calling alumni
This defies your “Snow has shown little faith in defenders with health issues” point, but suddenly I’ve been wondering about Eric Brewer. Largely miserable for three years in St. Louis, apparently due to back issues, but healthy and effective this year.
I think I’d rather have him back than McCabe, but I’m confident they’ll have neither.
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I like the idea...
…of better all around health through the signing of younger, BIGGER players who inflict more injuries than they suffer. You can’t pick and choose when you’re the GM of the Islanders, but you can set a filter when making decisions. I didn’t like losing Sutton… but that was a good decision. I won’t like losing Marty, but if this is the pattern because of rewarding players who have REMAINED HEALTHY, and just letting those who haven’t passed that simple test go… then, I’m cool with it.
9 seasons as an Islander… 3 over 60 games. he could make this his 4th.. but at this point, every time he goes into a corner a little bell goes off in my head…like the TOAST IS DONE. I really like what Marty brings when he’s healthy, but he doesn’t bring it often enough…
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Agreed
The only way I talk myself into holding on to Martinek is: 1) he probably returns performance better than his salary and 2) fear of how they’ll replace him. (I guess #3 is fan loyalty/nostalgia, etc.) I’ll be sad but understand if they let him go.
Speaking of this “prove your health” mode, I think that is an unspoken reason FMIV was shown the door. Fair or not, finding God health and nutrition during the last half of your walk year is probably too late.
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I wonder
What the ratio of injuries to size is or if one even exists.
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Awfully quiet today (Sunday), and I'm betting this is why:
Stan Bowman, who says he wants to make two acquisitions, probably describes the league-wide atmosphere on Sunday:
“We’re waiting. I think just like we’re waiting, they’re waiting on someone else who’s waiting on someone else. Once one or two trades happen, it’s probably going to have a snowball effect.”
Oh I mean never mind, the Isles are going to deal Okposo and trade Bailey for Bogosion. ::rolls eyes::
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a bad season for Avs fans
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I'd challenege someone to make one of those for the Islanders Season haha
It might take a couple years tho, You’d need at least 6 Goalies in it
by Meet Me at the Lighthouse on Feb 27, 2011 10:10 PM EST up reply actions
Sens re-resign Chris Phillips at 3 years and 9.25 million
Anyone else think that price is a little high for this guy…Maybe not, I don’t know, just my opinion.
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ryanclassic Ryan Classic
Not sure how I feel about Phillips re-signing. Feels a lot like Kuba two years ago. Side note: someone please take Kuba.
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Boyes to Buffalo for a 2011 2nd
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Good move for Buffalo. Good player for a 2nd round pick
by Meet Me at the Lighthouse on Feb 27, 2011 11:58 PM EST up reply actions
Not too familiar with him
but looks like he’s on a pretty serious down trend…Brad Boyes
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by Keith Quinn on Feb 28, 2011 12:05 AM EST up reply actions
Ahhh, St Louis
I’m sure Dom will have an opinion on him
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*climbing out from a routine Midwest tornado warning*
I was wondering if someone would buy him. If you’re not cap- or budget-stressed,, that’s not a bad price at all. He decided to work on his defense, which helped, but also depressed his scoring.
He is a weird, streaky, confidence-fragile shooter. In the shootout he’ll waltz down (at regular game speed) and pick a corner no sweat. During game play, it’s like he tries to fine-tune it too much…and shoots wide.
He is a very frustrating player, but I sure wouldn’t have minded him thrown into the wing equation, if budget were no obstacle. Still, he’s signed through next year; that St. Louis let him go for a 2nd tells you they know they overpaid on his contract and are ready to move on.
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Seriously on the tornado warning?
Stay safe! St. Louis seems to be ripping it apart and starting over…which is weird because I thought they were really just getting past their “rebuilding” phase…no?
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by Keith Quinn on Feb 28, 2011 1:21 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
These warnings, they happen all the time
In accordance with the stereotype.
I think St. Louis is just fine-tuning. Brewer was a goner no matter what, and Johnson was potentially worth dealing for the same reason: They are deep on defense. Stewart, although that deal makes me nervous, is the type of player they needed, and Shattenkirk softens the blow of dealing Johnson. Reallocation there.
The Boyes deal…the Blues still need a new investor and Boyes frankly does not earn his contract, and they have better scoring wing options. Sadly though I understand why both Brewer and Boyes were dumped, I wouldn’t mind seeing them with the Isles in that redemption kind of way. Under the theory that you feel a lot better about spending a year of $4M on Boyes than you do after spending $12M over three years, ya know?
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This much about Boyes I DO remember:
….when he was with the Bruins, he could hurt a team without warning (other than the Bruins) including the Islanders. Have a feeling the confidence factor was a contributing one in his exit from Boston, and possibly a glut of wingers at the time which were clogging up cap space…..
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This a recent phenomenon for me. The pop-up’s real nasty since it simulates downloading a virus.
Can't say I have. Sorry.
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by ICanSeeForIslesAndIsles on Feb 28, 2011 9:17 AM EST up reply actions
Not me
Can you describe a little more (what browser, PC or Mac, etc.)? There aren’t supposed to be any pop-ups on this site.
Lighthouse Hockey: Send us your cold, your poor, your healthy goalies.
Something like that
Happened to me too on saturday…I figured it was just a random thing (I was away from the computer) but LHH was open at the time. Just close the window and don’t be fooled that you have a virus…you don’t…yet. Rec this so it’s green
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by Keith Quinn on Feb 28, 2011 10:25 AM EST via mobile up reply actions 4 recs
Support@sbnation.com
I’m not sure if this applies in this instance — though it never hurts — but any time you have a technical issue or account issue with SB Nation sites, send an email to support@sbnation.com.
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had too much multi-tasking going on and hit the wrong button and wound up with Dell armageddon
Sarcasm is my permanent font.
I did, whacked my wife's laptop this weekend.
Looks to be installing an anti-virus progam, but its pretty nasty. Had anit-virus disabled to load new software and got caught in the cross fire.
Sarcasm is my permanent font.
I also
Got it one time but not since….was Wednesday or Thursday, I believe. I can’t say for sure if it was from that site or not, but it did resemble some sort of virus checker.
Thank you Matt Moulson!
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by CharlieIsles on Feb 28, 2011 10:16 AM EST up reply actions
Yes
Looks like virus checker, it’s not…if you believe it and try to check, you will get some sort of virus-like thing.
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by Keith Quinn on Feb 28, 2011 10:27 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
I got that too
And screen-capped the nasty spoofer. It pretended to be “Windows Security” but the pop-up box was poorly-translated and the URL in the address bar was a big tip-off. I just closed everything and started over. Gonna drop an email to that link you gave, Dom, they should know about it (if they don’t already).
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Yes!
Definitely send that screen grab to them. That’s huge.
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I had that once before. It's nasty.
I had to wipe my lap top clean and start over.
Commissioner of the FIG pool, because I'm one terrible player.
by ICanSeeForIslesAndIsles on Feb 28, 2011 12:27 PM EST up reply actions
Had that the other day
It’s a known virus that has been floating around for a few months.
If it is the one that acts as a weird virus scan that you’re talking about.
I ran my spysweeper and it cleaned it right out. That and windows has a virus checker on their site. If you use that be sure to run your computer in Safe Mode.
by Chickendirt on Feb 28, 2011 10:29 AM EST up reply actions
I wonder if it has anything to do with
accidentally clicking on the Flyers website a few times :)
Thank you Matt Moulson!
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by CharlieIsles on Feb 28, 2011 11:09 AM EST up reply actions
It will be as busy as July 1st normally is for the Islanders today
I don’t expect much at all today. Perhaps Garth will move Zee or Marty for a 2nd round pick at best … I wouldn’t be happy about it … but I know Garth is looking out for the future. So who knows.
by 19 Isle in NJ 22 on Feb 28, 2011 7:44 AM EST reply actions
Solid at D next season?
I don’t think so. Without going thru the lineup that we all are familiar with – we end up with a decent top 4, and then on to size challenged 3 or 4 others. #1 keep Martinek, #2 trade for 2 goodsized and skilled Ds.
Dreger - Z
I don’t know how to post links but, Darren Dreger from TSN is reporting that Ducks and Canucks are in heavy on Z. It’ll be a shame if we trade Z. He’s one guy I would keep.
While he has some great rallying spirit for the young Isles
He has very little offensive ability and fights way to much. I’d rather have a guy who can fight and score or just score and leave the fighting to Gillies or Haley.
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that's true, but
….if you can turn a specialized talent like that into a useful asset, it’s the thing to do.
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Bingo.
He’s got negative value on his own due to his lack of offense when he does get into the offensive zone. This isn’t to say that he doesn’t have a positive value on the team, but just that his value is much lower than you think it is.
And
As much as he is a positive influence on the team, I’m sorry, you can’t make him a captain. That’s a joke because of his PIMs and how much crap he talks. No ref is going to want to deal with him.
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by Keith Quinn on Feb 28, 2011 10:29 AM EST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
Brendan Witt was Captain of the Caps- wouldnt you agree it would have been kinda similar?
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by TheMetalChick on Feb 28, 2011 10:36 AM EST up reply actions
I'll agree SIMILAR
But not same. Witt was a very high quality player and not nearly the circus fight type player Z is. And for the record, I think Z is an intelligent articulate human being who could do the job, I just don’t think it would be received well by on ice officials, or really the league in light of the Pens thing. Kind of like a swipe at the league regardless of the validity. Witt was really 10x the player Z is and was on the ice a lot.
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by Keith Quinn on Feb 28, 2011 10:53 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
I feel that he has more value to us than on the market
On the ice he’s replacable but I think trading him will hurt morale. He’s also been a good public defender for the team so I’d rather see him stick around for that as well. I won’t be going on a rant like a 17 year old girl if he’s traded but I think he’s better to keep around.
You mean to tell me shooting the puck from 70 feet out doesn't earn us extra goals?
Morale is bullshit
They’re professional hockey players, who get paid to play the game they love (well, I hope they love it). They should suck it up.
You can just assume they can just suck it up
Professional or not chemistry and morale still has the most to do with a winning team. Maybe not so much with a sport like baseball but a real team sport like hockey or football you need a good locker room feel.
Constantly building for the future.
JUST MY
opinion, but chemistry and morale are the most overrated aspects of team sports. For every team you name with GREAT chemistry, I can name you 2 with NO chemistry who actually won championships in their sport. Athletes have proven in the past that getting along in the lockerroom does NOT translate to sucess on the field.
Youth WILL be served!!
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by upstateislesfan on Feb 28, 2011 10:47 AM EST up reply actions
BINGO!
“Morale” tends to be cited whenever a team plays poorly as an excuse. When a team plays well, it’s claimed that morale is high.
In reality, what’s happening is that bad or good play is the cause of winning or losing, not morale.
Morale does have some importance of course. But if you win, morale is high. If you have good players, you’ll have high morale. So a bad player who raises morale really isn’t worth keeping.
Our team however
Does not have the skill to have no chemistry right now. Just curious, were you an athlete in high school of college?
Constantly building for the future.
What they should do and what happens are two different topics
You mean to tell me shooting the puck from 70 feet out doesn't earn us extra goals?
Morale isn't bullshit though
I mean, I’d like them to suck it up, too. Reality says that’s not how it works with humans.
(That said, morale can survive the loss of Konopka. I’ve always figured part of his schtick is job security. It may be sincere, but it’s still enforcer’s job security.)
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by Dominik on Feb 28, 2011 11:45 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Confidence is overrated - Islanders ex-coach
All of this stuf matters to some extent, but not nearly as much as being a better hockey player and winning. I’ve played with guys I’ve hated, but tolerated because we’ve had a common goal and a solid chance at winning. On a team that wasn’t going to win as much, I was a hell of a lot less tolerant dealing with an A-hole because no matter how good he was he wasn’t going to contribute enough for us to be winning.
Sarcasm is my permanent font.
confidence/morale
These are born FROM playing well and having success, not the other way around. There are plenty of failures who believe in themselves and never let it get them down. Good for them, I suppose… but I’ve always thought that low morale was not in itself a negative thing. It SHOULD bother good players to lose winnable games. That should be another motivation to get out after it and play their best. If losing NO LONGER BOTHERED the team, if the mood was DEAD rather than DOWN, that’s when I’d start making “morale trades.”
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All of this stuf matters to some extent, but not nearly as much as being a better hockey player and winning.
I agree, I’m just not a fan of blanket statements that pretend it does not exist.
We can evaluate player abilities like they are robots or widgets, as long as we remember they will still behave like humans.
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That was to some extent my point
Of course it matters, but being happy doesn’t get you two points either. I think the chemistry in the room matters more for teams that have less talent. If for no other reason that they are playing more for each other than the chances of winning.
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agreed with Dom
That’s the devil in the details, isn’t it? Even though the numbers do a fair job of describing a player’s value, they don’t describe a player… not really. A good player will have his skill show up in Corsi and Fenwick and Zone Starts with the Moon in the Seventh House on alternate Tuesdays with low-pressure systems over Long Island Sound… etc etc… but that player isn’t going into his shift thinking “keep that Corsi solid and Good Things will happen!” He’s thinking about creating a chance, or breaking up a pass, or winning the next puck battle.
That’s what makes it tricky. All these things eventually show up sabermetrically, but they’re not created that way. They’re created in the grit-and-guts, effort, morale, “plays the game right” way… and that’s why Commentators Without Official Personal Designations can rant about this sort of thing on NBC and call stat hounds “nerds in the basement.”
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On that note
I just think of Schremp’s overall underlying numbers and you see, “OOoh, a very useful player here. Not great, but useful.”
But then I watch him night in and night out and see, “Wow, this guy has great games and horrible games. He looks like a coach’s thorn in the side.” (I’d say nightmare, but he’s hardly cancerous, just…ponderous.)
So I don’t know when the magical moment is that you give up on a guy who is high-risk and high-reward. I take it from Capuano scratching him that it was sometime soon though.
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I don't think he will be coming here
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Sorry Vancouver fans: Just heard from Canucks, "no chance" on Konopka. Seemed like a nice fit…
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it does, doesn't it
If you guys are short Rypien, Big Z makes a lot of sense. Also, if we do trade the guy, I’d love to see him land in a good situation the way Roli did.
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I gotta say Semi
I find myself hoping the Canucks do well this year in the playoffs simply because you’ve been a cool guy on LHH. It’s nice to have intelligent conversation with outside fans. Thanks for the great commentary!
You're going to make me blush!
But thanks, you guys are good people too.
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:)
I agree with Rosie- you give Vancouver a good name (good name)!
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by TheMetalChick on Feb 28, 2011 7:32 PM EST up reply actions
Williams signs a 4 year extension with the Kings
I really wanted the Isles to try and pick him up….it’s looking like there isn’t going to be much available by July 1st.
You mean to tell me shooting the puck from 70 feet out doesn't earn us extra goals?
Williams was the guy I wanted to see on JT's wing
Dissapointed he signed. Take a look at the remaining free agents. Not a lot of difference makers.
really? Why.
Konopka has helped the team with chemistry problems, and is easily worth more to us than a 3rd round pick is
by Meet Me at the Lighthouse on Feb 28, 2011 10:22 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Because Individually, he's been a negative.
And in a team that’s still rebuilding, while his team value may overweight the negative, he’s a vastly overrated piece with very limited value.
Also, I think the chemistry of the top two lines has been just fine without Zenon helping.
Agree
We keep Z, no 3rd RD pick for him, thank you very much. Besides he is the third player who’s name started with a “Z” in Islanders history . Zymumd Palffy, Zedeno Charra, and Zenon.
by Russel Ginart on Feb 28, 2011 10:27 AM EST up reply actions
Oh yes, because that's relevant.
Also, you can’t spell apparently. Ziggy and Zdeno don’t like you.
by garik16 on Feb 28, 2011 10:32 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Because...
Garik is a RANGER FAN.
Zenon can be tweaked to skate softly, and he already carries a big stick. I don’t want to go back to two years ago when there was no answer for physical teams. Until the there are bigger, tougher options on the top six Zeke is a good bottom six option, and a fine place holder for Matt Martin and Haley. If they want more offense from those guys they can double one of the top three centers…
I can understand moving Radek if Snow is not going to re-up him. But I think Zeke is a no brainer at this point. Haley isn’t going to replace Zeke… and using Gillies in more than 30 games next year could be a sign of regression.
To lose all three (or even two) of those guys would be a HUGE regression.
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Does Gillies return next season?
Not a fan of one minute fourth liners.
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IMO
I’d keep Gillies in the family… I don’t think he’ll have a ton of interest in the off season that you couldn’t keep him on a two way. They don’t have anybody in BPT ready to take on NHL heavies and if they keep Cappy, I think they understand what needs to be done and when… Gillies is another guy you like having around… but if you can have Haley and Martin out there for 55-65 games he can be in BPT for the most part.
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by JPinVA on Feb 28, 2011 12:10 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
What if Haley CAN replace Z?
Not that I’m eager to see Konopka sent away anywhere, but Haley may be acceptable in his place. Really, we don’t know that one way or the other.
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It'd be nice if Haley took the "tough/gumption" role
And Z’s departure forced better players to get more serious about winning faceoffs.
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I think Haley could play fourth line center tomorrow...
but it would be a step down on and off the ice. Has Mike even played the last few games… I swear he hasn’t gotten more than a few calls. It would be like going back to Thompson… and I don’t think he’s even as good a player as Thompson. But we may find that out… like you say… we don’t even know.
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Haley's played
Had an assist in Philly in 9:04 TOI. Didn’t play much against the Caps (basically Cap rolled three lines for the final period or so and Haley sat). He’s usually getting 8-10 minutes, and leaving aside his misconduct penalty in Boston, only has two minors in eight games (the goon).
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On Tradecentre this morning they discussed JT/Duchene
Who has more value (not that they are available)….It’s amazing how it keeps coming back to these two. Mike Peca made some good points to why JT is & will be more valuable. One is that he continues to work with a skating coach here on LI that he is familiar with back from his time here and that he will continue to improve there and that he has an IT factor that cannot be taught. He also has a scoring touch that MD cannot match.
You mean to tell me shooting the puck from 70 feet out doesn't earn us extra goals?
TSNBobMcKenzie: FLA trades Dvorak to FLA for Bergfors and Rissmiller
You mean to tell me shooting the puck from 70 feet out doesn't earn us extra goals?
is Dudley being advised by Mad Mike?
Why give up Bergfors for Radek friggin Dvorak?
by Original Rob on Feb 28, 2011 11:00 AM EST up reply actions
I am hearing the Islanders traded Z to the Ducks
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by Jtpdolphins2009 on Feb 28, 2011 11:04 AM EST reply actions
Here's the twitter
But I have no idea who the account is, so I’m hoping its not true. LINK
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that could be anyone
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by Jtpdolphins2009 on Feb 28, 2011 11:09 AM EST up reply actions
yea, but I just wanted a twitter up for reference.
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and I sure as heck hope that if its true, that it was not for a LATE round pick
That would be losing huge value for Z IMO
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by Jtpdolphins2009 on Feb 28, 2011 11:10 AM EST up reply actions
He does more for this team than any late round pick would give us
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by Jtpdolphins2009 on Feb 28, 2011 11:13 AM EST up reply actions
Wrong Answer
Real Question: How easy is it to replace Konopka on the Free Agency Market or by drafting. The answer, pretty easy.
you think so?
Keep dreaming lol
James T Paulson
by Jtpdolphins2009 on Feb 28, 2011 11:15 AM EST up reply actions
I'm not dreaming.
If you replace Konopka with a player who individually contributes, the team has already at least evenly made out.
good luck finding one that wants to play here
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by Jtpdolphins2009 on Feb 28, 2011 11:18 AM EST up reply actions
you mean like Grabner, Moulson, Parenteau, Streit, Roloson...
The Isles missed a lot of big names because they wanted to be closer than the Isles were at the time. You’ll see that the Isles’ improvement will attract attention… more people will be willing to hear Garth out, and a few will go ahead and sign, if they think that A) the money will be better and B) the Isles have a real shot at contention in the next 2-3 years.
Well, the money’s there, for sure, and the Isles’ current play suggests that they are going to be in the playoffs next season, and a serious contender in a couple of years after that, given the right additions. There will be people who WANT to be that final piece and bring a Cup to the team. These guys LOVE being the difference-maker. Garth can sell them on that as well as the Island itself, which has been winning over the doubtful ever since the Arbours first saw the place in ’73.
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You don't keep Z
in the short term it will seem like a big blow to the aforementioned ‘morale’ and ‘confidence’ but this team needs pieces. No point in keeping Z who can be easily replaced in free agency. If you get something decent for him, let him go. We’ll all get over it and they Isles will continue on.
It could be a nice wake up call to the kids too. “Hey, if we don’t start winning, others could be gone….”
"It don't make you a bad person" - Ron Bennington
to add to that
Isles fans have been complaining for YEARS that we are too soft and do not protect the kids, now you are going to trade a guy who protects the kids for a LATE round pick?
Sends the wrong message
James T Paulson
by Jtpdolphins2009 on Feb 28, 2011 11:14 AM EST up reply actions
"Too Soft"
IF YOU WIN, which we will with or without Konopka, people will stop complaining. The complaints are because we’re not winning.
you seem like a guy who thinks what he thinks is the gospel
and if anyone disagrees with you, we are all idiots
James T Paulson
by Jtpdolphins2009 on Feb 28, 2011 11:17 AM EST up reply actions
If Konopka gets dealt
That will be like a knife to the heart of a lot of Isles fans that just began to buy into this rebuild again.
by Chickendirt on Feb 28, 2011 11:10 AM EST up reply actions
No?
Ummm, Seriously. That’s just ridiculous. Losing the (lets say generously) 7th best forward on a bottom 5 team kills your hopes for the rebuild? Seriously?
Sometimes its more then what the stats show. Yes, statistically he can be easily replaced. But it’s the leadership and standing up for the team that people will miss. The yelling at a TSN reporter, speaking his mind about Mario and so on. Stuff like that isn’t easily replaced.
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Plus how are they supposed to aerate their wine?
You mean to tell me shooting the puck from 70 feet out doesn't earn us extra goals?
Seconded on that exactly
Perfect point made, this team needs someone to stand up for it and he’s a great 4th liner anyway. Those who say morale isn’t needed should try being in a locker room.
Constantly building for the future.
MORALE
is quite different from chemistry. The 1977-78 Yankees had no chemistry at all but had plenty of high morale because they had talent and confidence. You do not have to get along (chemistry) to have morale, as long as you are winning. Morale does NOT produce winning, but winning does produce morale. the only thing that produces winning is TALENT!!!
Youth WILL be served!!
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by upstateislesfan on Feb 28, 2011 1:16 PM EST up reply actions
Morale is the willingness to go out their and win!
We need that since we dont have the talent to win games purely on skill. The Pens game was a morale booster because of the 9 goals and because of the team coming together, led in big part by Z. And baseball and hockey aren’t comparable. Baseball is more individual and that’s why talent can win championships with out chemistry and morale.
Constantly building for the future.
I don't know, man....
What team DOESN’T want to win? Really, who’s not willing to go win an NHL game? None of these guys want to be embarrassed, and even the guys on last-place teams want to prove their worth to any potential future boss.
I feel what you’re saying, but feeling and thinking are two different things. Think about it for two seconds. What winning team has bad morale? Pretty much none. So we say it’s important to winning… but really, it’s more likely that it’s the result of winning, not the cause. Plenty of high-morale groups do poorly, because they don’t have the overall talent to keep up. Your 2010-2011 Islanders are a perfect case in point.
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But the point im trying to make
Is that with the talent on our team we need to have our team motivated and Zenon does that for us. You can take a great team and without motivation they’ll lose to a worse team. Look at the run the Canadians made last year.
Constantly building for the future.
Exactly why I'm hesitant to buy into this theory
Washington was plenty motivated. The Habs weren’t more motivated, they were a touch better, and their goalie got ridiculously hot+lucky for three games.
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Your telling me the 8th seed was a touch better than the 1st place?
Halak went red hot in the playoffs but that wasn’t pure talent that the Habs went out and bought. The whole team came together to get those wins. Were just gunna have to agree to disagree on this.
Constantly building for the future.
Listen, I agree. Leadership matters to some extent in hockey.
This is why I’m not hammering the fact that he’s been below replacement, because I think he HAS been a positive for the team on a whole.
But at the same time, you need leaders who can play hockey WELL. And I’d think the team is helped out more by better players than "leaders’ who don’t play well. Winning produces “leaders.”
He’s a 4th liner who fills in occasionally to win important faceoffs. How often is a 4th liner a better player then the average replacement?
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Whose a 4th liner for the Canucks and for the Flyers. East and West and two cup favorites sounds good to me.
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Vancouver
I count 11 players who’ve played significant time (Forwards) – it seems they’ve had piecemeal weak players play the 12th spot.
- player is Tanner Glass, who is exactly at replacement level. The #10 player is 3.3 Goals above replacement.
I was just about to say Tanner Glass looking at their icetime.
And Carcillo, Betts or Shelley would be 4th liners for the Flyers.
What is Z’s number compared to a replacement player?
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Mind you, if you get a 2nd rounder (or even a 3rd) for a 4th liner at best
It’s a win. I don’t care who you are.
But not as much as having a good Corsi...
there are 12 forwards on team… not everybody is there to be a +12 every game. I like the mix right now. They need a little more size in the top six, and maybe a little more scoring potential in the bottom six… but they don’t have enough TOUGHNESS and leadership to dump what they do have for a 3rd round pick.
They need to take advantage of the fact that Zeke WANTS TO STAY…
…and besides….Is Pierre Alexander really responsible enough to feed the bunny should he be traded…. and we really need to start thinking of THE BUNNY… who may be part of TEH CORE!
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by JPinVA on Feb 28, 2011 11:35 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
lol, I had to steal the line about PA feeding the bunny and tweeted it.
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The Bunny STAYS... unless we can get a second rounder for him.
Sarcasm is my permanent font.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iRr2OhbXTaE
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When does the Bunny replace Sparky?
He has to be at least as tough as the bunny from Holy Grail.
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I like what Konopka brings, but fourth line players cannot be considered part of TEH CORE.
The Isles have needed some toughness and Konopka has brought a change in attitude, but the change in attitude was in management that finally agreed guys like him are needed. They are needed, but not that hard to find if you want them. He adds a nice faceoff element, but let’s not confuse him with Tavares or Streit in his importance to the team. If the team is goiing to improve it will have to churn over guys on the third and fourth lines looking to consolidate picks and players to move up quality along the depth chart.
Hamonic is more of the type of player the Islanders need to look for and retain. He can play top four defense and throw them enough to keep other teams honest. You throw in Matt Martin and now Haley and you have few legitimate fighters that can play fourth and maybe third line minutes.
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Hamonic isn't comparable to Zenon
Hamonic is young, a good D prospect, and under team control for a whlie.
I’m talking of the ability to protect oneself and not needing someone to watch over him. I like the concept of team toughness. Players that aren’t easily run out of the stadium and don’t need a black knight to protect them either. I didn’t mention at all contract status, age or position was only mentioned in theability to play more than 10 minutes in the comparison
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Slow Down!
We’re talking about Zenon Konopka here, not Johnny T.
by Original Rob on Feb 28, 2011 11:25 AM EST up reply actions
TRAID TAVARES
HE AINT PART OF TEH CORE
by garik16 on Feb 28, 2011 11:26 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
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Jay Onrait at TSN just mentioned it
with a ?
You mean to tell me shooting the puck from 70 feet out doesn't earn us extra goals?
If the deal is done
do they call up Ullstrom?
You mean to tell me shooting the puck from 70 feet out doesn't earn us extra goals?
I'm not optimistic that he passes waivers.....
You mean to tell me shooting the puck from 70 feet out doesn't earn us extra goals?
Ulstrom's exempt from waivers, isn't he?
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James Duthie says nothing is done
You mean to tell me shooting the puck from 70 feet out doesn't earn us extra goals?
If the Isles get a 2nd for Konopka
I take back everything I said, and Snow is a genius beyond belief.
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2nd for Konopka in a heart beat
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I don't object to Zeke for a 2...
But who do you replace him with… Haley?
Kind of makes sense… if you want to go back to Nate Thompson. I don’t think that having a heaveyweight pugilist is as improtant as some… but until you have a PRONGER or an Iginla who are going to be on the ice for 20+ minutes you need somebody to protect your assets…. Thompson was a better player, and Haley may be as well… but Thompson never sold a ticket. Zeke has helped FILL THE BUILDING…. These are things that has been lost on Isles management for years.
And Zeke isn’t just another pug… the guy is out there for tough minutes to take draws. I won’t cry myself to sleep if he’s traded, and I’ve never even gotten too high on Zeke… but I do think it would be a mistake to screw with that locker room at this point. Things are good… and Zeke is a big part of that.
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I’m in no way looking to railroad him out the door, but a second rounder would be a pretty nice pickup for a guy that nobody outside of a few diehards had ever heard of last summer. I just don’t want to become so infatuated with fourth line players that they become immovable. The reality is Tampa and Calgary fans are probably thinking the same thing about Thompson and Jackman right about now.
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I'm more of a "If it ain't broke..."
kinda guy. I think Zeke works on this team. I can see a team with Haley between Martin and Hunter, and I’m okay with it. That might even be third line minute worthy…. but there are some intangibles that you may not want to mess with when things are going good… and the vocal guy who is a good conduit between the media (that is kinda funny when you’re talking about the Islanders), the fans and the coach.
The turn around had a lot to do with “attitude”… and who has had more ATTITUDE than Zeke.
2nd rounder… for a guy that can be resigned in July… I’m okay with it… but just ex-Isling another fan favorite is absurd. Especially for a team that was getting 7K on a regular basis before the Flightless Fowl Friday.
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I'm never too sure of what I read or see in the media
Locker rooms are strange things, for all of the banter etc we see and love from Zeke, there could be half a room of guys that wish he’d just shut-up and not make it seem like he is the face of the team. I’m in no way saying that is the case, just that we have almost no way of knowing what exists in the locker room.
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Is he too much though?
I do think it would be a mistake to screw with that locker room at this point. Things are good… and Zeke is a big part of that.
I’ve long wondered if he is TOO MUCH a part of that.
Enforcers have a way of injecting their cult of personality into everything, for this very reason (the whole “but he’s too important, too popular, too much of a character” to be dealt, etc.). Just a theory I have. If he’s dealt for scraps, I’ll wonder…
That’s not a knock on Zeke, just something I notice about a lot of enforcers…until they get their long-term deal.
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I wonder about that. Clearly the Isles knew the stats when they signed the top PIM guy from last year. Only thing they probably didn’t know was how his personality would fit.
I still think its funny the Isles and Panthers essentially traded thompson (Gordo’s guy) and Konopka (Mr rubber head)
that would be the Lightning not the Panthers
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by Jtpdolphins2009 on Feb 28, 2011 12:04 PM EST up reply actions
understandable error
Dale Tallon’s traded everything but the Zamboni out of Florida, I kinda began to think Zeke was a Panther myself.
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TB or Florida or Phoenix for that matter
Places where hockey just doesn’t seem to belong
Seems to do fine in TB
When they don’t have two clowns running the gong show.
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Flordia and hockey just don't seem right
Oh no doubt they are good
Although it perplexes me how a team with a negative goal diff is second in the conference
Not sure how you feel about "luck" but...
Essentially some awful early season goaltending and some awful luck overall. Not that Roloson is God’s gift to the crease, but he has helped them settle back into an appropriate standing.
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they've lost a few blowouts
That skews things. They’re 37-18-7 as of now… but only 8-13 in blowout games (3+ goal differential). They have two 6-0 losses AND two 8-1 losses. Against that they have a 7-1 win and an 8-3 win, but it’s not enough to make up the difference.
Overall (62 games): 191 GF, 190 GA
Blowouts (21 games): 62 GF, 79 GA
They’re actually scoring slightly more in the closer games (3.15 vs. 2.95). It’s defensively that they need to tighten up: 3.76 GPG in the blowouts… and if you take away the four shutout wins, that number shoots way up to 4.65. In the closer games (where their record is terrific), they only allow 2.71 GPG.
It’s obvious that the Lightning aren’t a team that pads its numbers in a handful of pummelings, but the reverse. The doors come off every once in a while, but they’re very strong otherwise. They definitely can content this season.
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by mikb on Feb 28, 2011 12:53 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
It's amazing how fast you come up with this stuff.
rec’d
Commissioner of the FIG pool, because I'm one terrible player.
by ICanSeeForIslesAndIsles on Feb 28, 2011 12:54 PM EST up reply actions
Seriously
Mikb just proved which of the two of us is the lazier contributor around here.
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First off...
ONE YEAR AT A TIME for a guy like Zeke… but let’s look at it from a different angle.
We now know that Zeke and PA are “roomies”. Probably due to their arrival dates, and possible departure dates being marked on the same square of the calendar. But look at PA’s play. I remember him at the beginning of the season and I rememebr him with the rangers. I don’t know what he was like in the AHL, but he’s played with some vinegar that we didn’t see before. With the rangers he was a ghost… now he’s giving face washes… throwing his body around…. jumping into the mosh pit…. that just seems like he’s geting more than bunny money from Zeke.
and I like the IWA (Islanders With Attitude)… much better than the version we’ve seen for the past two years….WAY BETTER!
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by JPinVA on Feb 28, 2011 12:04 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Hard to judge PAPs character with the Rangers, he was a guy on the periphery that couldn’t take any chances with an extra penalty in the few minutes he was getting. I think this season you’re more likely to see more of his character as he become generally more comfortable in the NHL. Those little guys are usually the yappy piss and vinegar guys anyway.
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The key is bunnies. Pet bunnies.
If Zeke influence PAP — and I could buy that, but of course we have no idea — I hope PAP can hang on to the lessons even after the mentor is gone.
I’m glad no one has adopted Zeke’s “fight just to fight” tendencies.
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you know I agree with you there...
… but I wonder what that turns into when nobody is there to answer that call. I definitely don’t want Martin and/or Hamonic sitting in the box so they can be the half time show… and Haley is just too small to take on NHL heavies… do we really want another Joel “he sure can take a pucnh” rechliezc(sp?)
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Oh, I hear that
I won’t deny this makes me somewhat nervous. I do figure they have a new understanding of the benefit of that element now, and — presumably they have an idea of how to replace it.
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For a cool $5 million I'm sure Colton Orr or Boogard could be had!
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Ha
No doubt. I’m thinking more of a guy who can fight but also isn’t a black hole in the lineup. Still, I’d rather that marginal benefit from faceoffs be addressed by someone who can play real good like even if the faceoff is lost.
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I agree. Haley is a better hockey player and fighter then Zeke, the main losses would be from faceoffs and pk'ing(if his %age was that high).
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And the lockerroom/team-unit thing. But if someone steps up to replace him, then we'd be good. Martin? Bailey? KO? It's possible, just need someone to step up though.
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we’re 9 games into Haley being in the NHL. This is Z’s second season in the NHL, and obviously Z has enough value that other teams are inquiring about him. I can’t say the same for Haley.
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I want Z to stay.
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by The Black Map on Feb 28, 2011 12:18 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Rumors on twitter are Konopka for a 2nd.
But haven’t seen TSN report it, so take it for what it’s worth.
I'm guessing
It’s a 4th with escalators
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That seems like a more reasonable trade and one that I’m less adamant about making. Konopka for a anything less than a guaranteed third and I’d just as soon keep him for everything else he brings. However, I do think that Konopka for a third is overpriced.
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When you get to the 4th round it's like a 15% success rate
It’s really not much of a return at all.
You mean to tell me shooting the puck from 70 feet out doesn't earn us extra goals?
you can always package picks
We already have a bunch of them this draft
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That’s why I think a third or second is so impressive, I’m thinking those are the types of picks that you can package for real value like a move into the late first
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I hope so
I think we are getting to a more quality over quantity part of the rebuild. BPT should be restocked the next year or two as the kids graduate or move up from juniors.
You mean to tell me shooting the puck from 70 feet out doesn't earn us extra goals?
Ducks picked up McGrattan from Bruins last night
Do they need Z now, or are they looking to pound teams into submission?
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Ducks have made some interesting trades this year
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Usually interesting doesn't end well
I’d like to Keep Z, but they get a 2nd for him, well that’s impressive. Cause I doubt he’s worth a 2nd.
by Meet Me at the Lighthouse on Feb 28, 2011 11:29 AM EST up reply actions
theyve traded for lappierre and ruutu right?
i think theyre trying to go all broad street bullies
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and McGratton from Boston too
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by Jtpdolphins2009 on Feb 28, 2011 11:32 AM EST up reply actions
It seems like they’re trying to acquire anyone and everyone that will fight/rough things up
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by mikb on Feb 28, 2011 12:19 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
lol
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The Ducks hilariously overvalue anyone who fights
Or has sandpaper, jam, moxy, or elbow grease.
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Except coaches, wasn't Babcock too greasy?
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Too chiseled, too greasy, not enough jam
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That McGill education.
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If/when Nielsen can improve his FO%, does Z then become expendable?
Interestingly, Franz’s SHFO% won is 50%, Z’s is 53%. It’s those pesky even strength defensive FO where Z is better. From the chances I have gotten to watch on PST, Nielsen on the PK hasn’t been that bad. Wish we could get a solid 2nd line center a la Butchie so Franz can play checking line where he excells, at least in MHO.
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well bailey is supposed to become that second line center
but hes probably years away from that
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I know......
I’ve mentioned before that Franz is out of place because Bailey isn’t there and have been thrown under the bus for it, been called a moron, etc.
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by FireGarthSnow on Feb 28, 2011 11:36 AM EST up reply actions
frans is a decent 2nd line center for now
but when this team finally starts contending hell be (or should be) a very good 3rd line center
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From Isles Info
islesinfo Tom Mascioli
Zenon Konopka reported himself to TSN he has not been traded to Anaheim. #isles #nyi
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by Mark D on Feb 28, 2011 11:35 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
Just another note that it hasn't happened
KatieStrangNYI: Zenon Konopka on the ice for #Isles practice so nothing has happened yet"
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by Mark D on Feb 28, 2011 11:39 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
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#Isles lines from today: Moulson, Tavares, Parenteau; Grabner, Nielsen, Okposo; Schremp. Konopka, Haley. Gillies also out there with 4th.
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Where's martin? I haven't checked in since friday.
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#Isles lines from today: Moulson, Tavares, Parenteau; Grabner, Nielsen, Okposo; Schremp. Konopka, Haley. Gillies also out there with 4th.
Um Bailey?
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by TheMetalChick on Feb 28, 2011 12:57 PM EST up reply actions
Must be going to Atlanta for Bogosian.
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#hfboards
TO: VAN
c Bailey
d Martinek
2d rd pick
TO: NYI
c Kesler
1st rd pick
e5, kids!
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WHY WOOD WE GIVE THEM OUR 2nd RND PICK?!?!!!1
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ps
I may have cause Semi-Colon to spit-take his laptop. Sorry bro. =D
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haha
Didn’t see this till now.
That’s a pretty good one.
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We could always resign him as long as he doesn't sign an extension.
I’d prefer him to stay though. But a 2nd pick ain’t bad and I hear that’s what garth is asking. So it wouldn’t be killer, and “should” help us trade into the mid 1st round from the early 2nd if garth wants.
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http://www.nhl.com/ice/recap.htm?id=2010020823&navid=sb:recap
Yeah nothing until after 12
You mean to tell me shooting the puck from 70 feet out doesn't earn us extra goals?
Capgeek tweeted last night that the Isles would have to shed 15MM+ to drop below the floor
So any trades that are done will have no effect on that
You mean to tell me shooting the puck from 70 feet out doesn't earn us extra goals?
From Labrun
Florida trades Dennis Wideman to Washington
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by Keith Quinn on Feb 28, 2011 11:48 AM EST via mobile reply actions
BRILLIANT!
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Loved this
From their beatwriter Richards:
Dennis Wideman has come off the ice, think he may have been dealt
Ahh, deadline day.
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I've always wondered, what goes through a players mind on deadline day, I guess if your going from Florida to Wash., can't be upset
by Meet Me at the Lighthouse on Feb 28, 2011 11:52 AM EST up reply actions
I'm thinking "what about my tan?"
Then thinking golf will be after the first round anyway. Although the Caps are my darkhorse this year since everyone is so down on them.
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Isn't Wideman an inconsistent offensive type PP specialist?
Mark Green hurt much?
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You are missing the expletive Point aren't you?
Green has been injured again and so that Caps are in desperate need of someone to play the PP point. Wideman fills that role, but in a wildly inconsistent manner.
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All's cool.
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I feel like
With every D that goes, it either raises marti’s value it gets us closer to keeping him. I’m good with both!
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by Keith Quinn on Feb 28, 2011 11:55 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
RSH is a Thrasher
You mean to tell me shooting the puck from 70 feet out doesn't earn us extra goals?
RIP RSH
What an un-Dudley guy to claim.
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RSH
Becomes the new Grabner in Atlanta.
Imagine that?
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by The Black Map on Feb 28, 2011 12:16 PM EST up reply actions
giggle
So they ditched Bergfors (part of the Kovi return) and went out and grabbed the homeless man’s Kovi off waivers.
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Grrr. From lAbrun
Thrashers claim Schremp from NYI off waivers
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by Keith Quinn on Feb 28, 2011 12:03 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Well
I need to find that girl who freaked that he was waived…
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You can probably hear her without the Internet
That ghostly wailing from beyond the horizon… The cursing, the stamping…
The team is DEAD TO HER for the NEXT FIFTEEN !#%&&^#! MINUTES.
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by mikb on Feb 28, 2011 12:22 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Who becomes
Lead scapegoat? Smart money’s on Comeau
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by Keith Quinn on Feb 28, 2011 12:08 PM EST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
At least we don't have to bridgeport him now. That would have been a little awkward.
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http://www.nhl.com/ice/recap.htm?id=2010020823&navid=sb:recap
He would have helped improve Bridgeport and maybe worked out a few kinks in his game.
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Yes, but I didn't see him passing.
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http://www.nhl.com/ice/recap.htm?id=2010020823&navid=sb:recap
Timely Tweet by the Isles official twitter
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Typo with the lines: Schremp, Bailey, Comeau were out there. #isles
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Someone explain to me
why we waived RSH instead of trying to trade him for at least something in return? very sad to see him go, thought he had great hands.
HOWEVER, he’s like the 3-pt specialist on a basketball team that’s afraid to shoot. You know he can make it, but he elects to pass back….still, i loved RSH and thought he was a valuable asset…he gave this team a couple wins and kept us in a couple games too….despite all his troubles
he had no value
that is why he was put on waivers in the 1st place
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by Jtpdolphins2009 on Feb 28, 2011 12:12 PM EST up reply actions
huge difference between claiming a guy and trading for him
Atlanta got him for nothing
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by Jtpdolphins2009 on Feb 28, 2011 12:14 PM EST up reply actions
agreed
Trading requires giving something up to get him. They claimed him, didn’t wanna lose anything for him, but will take a chance on him
by Meet Me at the Lighthouse on Feb 28, 2011 12:15 PM EST up reply actions
Correct. Which is why it was stupid to put him on waivers. At the very least, keep him around on LI for the rest of the year. Brain-dead move by Snow and company. I guess RSH was blocking all of those promising prospects from getting TOI. Oh, wait.
I dn't know why everyone loves schremp so much.
I mean he’s a good depth guy, but our whole team is basically made of depth guys. He’s really not that good of a hockey player.
by Meet Me at the Lighthouse on Feb 28, 2011 12:17 PM EST up reply actions
He was displayed ...no trade takers
I think it was Strang that reported a few days ago that the Isles were shopping Shremp obviously nobody thought he was worth trading for
Agreed
I think it’s a safe assumption that, except when a player is waived in duress (guys coming off IR), that he fetched zero trade interest.
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He had little Trade value
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why we waived RSH instead of trying to trade him for at least something in return?
probably not enough interest, it was better to try sending him down and hopefully help BP and his game then to trade him for a late round pick
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I think he came close to clearing, Atlanta’s in the middle half of the league? Not too many better teams then the Thrashers are going to have room for him.
It would have been pointless to trade him for a 6th round pick
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It was even more pointless to waive him for nothing. No, Atlanta is towards the bottom 1/3.
As I said above:
At the very least, keep him around on LI for the rest of the year. Brain-dead move by Snow and company. I guess RSH was blocking all of those promising prospects from getting TOI. Oh, wait.
It was also a roster move
Players on the NHL roster today at 3PM CAN NOT be sent back down to the AHL. So if the Isles wanted to make any moves in the future, someone was going to have to pass through waivers.
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Lawson, as well as any of the clowns we trot out on defense, in addition to Martin were all better candidates to send down. (Obviously Lawson went.)
What was the need to send RSH down? There wasn’t any.
You can't send down defense...
when half your defense is hurt.
by Meet Me at the Lighthouse on Feb 28, 2011 12:21 PM EST up reply actions
problem is they need at least 6 D and not necessarily as many forwards otherwise it would have been a D sent down. I’m curious if the Lawson waiver concides with the Isles picking up one of the waived goalies. Martin and RSH just had different roles and so I don’t see the comaprables, you could just as soon waive Gillies for that matter. IT may have just been a way for the Isles to give him a chance someplace new or the ability to help Bridegport,
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That’s a great point. Waive Gillies. Why not if this is just a roster move? Kind of silly to waive one of your top six EV point producers.
Re-thinking - not sure you can waive a suspended player
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Thanks for confirming, I had a little idiot bulb in the back of my head – I call it Milbury – and it was telling me this was possible.
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No, not for a few more games.
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by ICanSeeForIslesAndIsles on Feb 28, 2011 12:43 PM EST up reply actions
NHL conspiracy to screw us one more way.
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Wha, one? He has to be nearly done now
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by TheMetalChick on Feb 28, 2011 12:59 PM EST up reply actions
Matt Martin has only been back for a few games...
… and Gilles’ suspension is for 9 games vs Martin’s 4. I think there’s 2 to go.
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by ICanSeeForIslesAndIsles on Feb 28, 2011 1:01 PM EST up reply actions
I'm a fan of RSH and sad to see him go
But it was obviously not working out. He didn’t do any better this season as a Wing then as a Center, and the Islanders are going to upgrade on him. If he cleared Waivers it’s obvious now that the Isles weren’t going to qualify him.
Simply, RSH was the odd man out on an improving team. He got his chance last year and did just enough to come back. He just wasn’t able to build on last year, and obviously wasn’t going to get more time on PP or play with one of the top two lines.
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by upstateislesfan on Feb 28, 2011 12:26 PM EST up reply actions
My main regret with Schremp
Is the injury last year and the injury this year.
I don’t think they’ve made an awful call here — he’s not better than Bailey overall, and it’s obviously a puzzle trying to fit him, Bailey and Comeau into some sort of competent 3rd-line magic. But I would’ve liked the reps he lost to injury to kind of try it and know for sure.
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But what do you think we could have gotten for him in this market?
I think if garth couldn’t get more then a 4th or 5th when trying, he didn’t want to do it. Thus the waiving.
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http://www.nhl.com/ice/recap.htm?id=2010020823&navid=sb:recap
False dichotomy. It isn’t: trade or waive. There was no reason to move RSH off the roster.
I think this was an idiotic move by Snow, obviously.
There was a reason
That reason being that he was frequently a healthy scratch even with other guys hurt.
I love the RSH Experiment, but I’m not going to think this was really terrible.
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I guess that RSH was not a Ted Nolan Type Player.
Right, obviously this doesn’t make or break the team. I do think it was stupid (just as I thought it was stupid to have him be a healthy scratch).
heard
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by mikb on Feb 28, 2011 12:56 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I don't know about that. In his 90gm~ stint with us over the last 2 seasons he's been an up and down player.
And his intangibles weren’t there to pick him up. At times he’s looked like a 50pts player, and at times a 25pts player. It’s just not worth giving him a 3rd line roster spot with his up and down production and lack of other all around skills. It was honestly 4th line or bridgeport for him in the eyes of the coaching staff/garth, and garth chose bridgeport. He is a depth center, and that’s what he proved this year. He didn’t earn a top 9 spot this year, thus the move. Would I have liked him in a 4th line role? Probably, but it is what it is.
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Again, we have to dispense with this “he didn’t earn a top 9 spot” nonsense. By what metric? By the numbers? Because if so, he is a top six performer on the team at even strength.
If you think there are some intangibles, fine — I happen to not be a believer in that sort of psycho-babble. But let’s not pretend that his numbers are worse than even Bailey’s, much less the other clowns the Isles run out there, like Martin, etc.
Tied with JT for worst +/-, so not sure that gets you very far. Everyone has a terrible +/- on this team.
Yea unfortunetly, JT is ranked 21st in the NHL in points?
by Meet Me at the Lighthouse on Feb 28, 2011 12:40 PM EST up reply actions
one dimensional player
Shremp earned that as a third liner….that’s the key point. Who is he facing to earn that terrible +/-. Doesn’t produce the offensive upside to justify that
If you seriously want to try to make this argument, I suggest you start looking at the CORSI stats before you launch into it. Because RSH has one of the highest CORSI REL QoC on the team.
Have you seen him play
I love the idea of what he could be… but he never is that. If he has open ice he can stick handle and pass, little more then that. Can’t go in the corners, can’t drive to the net, can’t cycle the puck from down low. He’s a perimeter sniper. Plus he’s as defensive disaster.
by neologizer on Feb 28, 2011 12:59 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Gillies is off suspension next game right?
So do they play him? Who gets promoted to Bailey’s line: JJ, JC, Martin, Haley? Do we call up BPT? DiBo, Ullstrom? What do we think?
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by Keith Quinn on Feb 28, 2011 12:21 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I want Martin or even Haley experiment on LW. But who knows.
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http://www.nhl.com/ice/recap.htm?id=2010020823&navid=sb:recap
Martin LW, Haley RW.
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He was shopped a week ago
there were no takers
Agreed on most of this
Maybe they couldn’t get anything for him with the knowledge that he could be on waivers / was an impending RFA.
He’ll be missed by me at least. He had his issues, but some does every other goddamn player on this team. He’s barely played a full season in the NHL and his numbers are fairly decent. Better than Bailey’s, anyway.
You can't just look at the numbers
I was hoping that Schremp would turn into a Marty St. Louis type of player. A player with St. Louis size needs skill and hockey smarts. Schremp had skill, but no hockey sense. If you watched him closely, you would see that he makes extremely poor hockey decisions. And it didn’t seem to get better. Like Dominick mentioned, the Ises grabbed a bunch of these guys (Moulsen, Shremp, Grabner, PA), hoping some would work. Moulsen and Grabner did (PA to some extent), but Schremp did not. Not a bad hit rate.
by JoRiverside on Feb 28, 2011 12:26 PM EST up reply actions
?
I don’t know where this rumor started. RSH is not the size of MSL. He’s substantially larger; 5’11 – 6.
Can’t look at the numbers? Why the hell not? Makes no sense to me.
What I'm saying is that
goals and assists are not the entire story and if you watched RSH, he made an awful lot of bad decisions. That’s why he was a heathy scratch a few times. He is not as small as MSL, but he is a small type player who needs to use skill and smarts. Just my opinion.
by JoRiverside on Feb 28, 2011 12:29 PM EST up reply actions
PA to some extent
You do realize he’s the #3 point getter on the team…
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Yeah, PA's worked out extremely well in my book.
You only figure 8 once.
by The Black Map on Feb 28, 2011 12:31 PM EST up reply actions
Yes
but I think he benefits greatly from playing with JT and Moulson. He is nowhere near a top-line winger on any other NHL team
by edavidmorris on Feb 28, 2011 12:31 PM EST up reply actions
but you cant punish him for that
any player would benefit from playing with JT and Moulson
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by Jtpdolphins2009 on Feb 28, 2011 12:32 PM EST up reply actions
No
but it makes JT so underrated. look at what he’s done + making Moulson a 30 goal scorer and PAP a 40 pt winger
by edavidmorris on Feb 28, 2011 12:33 PM EST up reply actions
Not really
WTF would Tambellini have done?
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by TheMetalChick on Feb 28, 2011 1:00 PM EST up reply actions
not much here
he seems to have found a role on a Cup contending VAN team
imagine that
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by Jtpdolphins2009 on Feb 28, 2011 1:01 PM EST up reply actions
you do realize
since he hasn’t been playing with the Sedins his offensive numbers have dropped to almost nothing?
He was signed for the Canucks for exactly what he is, a Depth Forward.
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by Mark D on Feb 28, 2011 1:07 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
since he hasn’t been playing with the Sedins his offensive numbers have dropped to almost nothing
Exactly.
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by TheMetalChick on Feb 28, 2011 1:15 PM EST up reply actions
and yet he has not been sent down by the Canucks
he has found a role on a cup contending team, he is a role player for them
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by Jtpdolphins2009 on Feb 28, 2011 1:18 PM EST up reply actions
he's clinging by the smallest of margins
He has 2 points since december 31st and in 9 of the last 12 games he’s gotten 5-7 minutes of ice time. The Canucks might not have someone to replace him with. IE: It’s better to have Tambi playing useless minutes then to hurt a prospects development and give him Tambis Minutes.
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The only reason he hasn’t been sent down is because he’s making league min and I don’t think he would clear waivers
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Hey now
You can’t just break out “Tambellini”. That’s the “nuclear option”!
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Tambellini
WTF would Tambellini have done?
I read this on Trade Deadline day and think, “Give us Penner for pennies?!?!”
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Agree
he is doing a good job and I like him, but more on the 2nd or 3rd line. I think JT needs a stronger winger on the 1st line (if you want to win a Stanley Cup)
by JoRiverside on Feb 28, 2011 12:32 PM EST up reply actions
agreed: no trade value
Contrary to some armchair GMs beliefs, you cannot trade Schremp, Gervais, Reese, and Gillies for an actual NHL body. Just because these guys suited up for the Isles doesn’t mean any other team has any interest in them whatsoever.
by Original Rob on Feb 28, 2011 12:20 PM EST up reply actions
DEDICATED SCHREMP THREAD HERE
Not that you have to move. I just know our trade deadline thread will eventually fill up, so if you want to take specific RSH thoughts (or see newbies’ thoughts), there will be some there:
http://www.lighthousehockey.com/2011/2/28/2020500/thrashers-claim-schremp-via-waivers-good-bye-rob-schremp-hockey
http://www.lighthousehockey.com/2011/2/28/2020500/thrashers-claim-schremp-via-waivers-good-bye-rob-schremp-hockey
This thread should be good ‘till we hit 800-1000, anyway. And by that point we’ll wonder “How did we discuss Zeke so much when he hasn’t even moved?”
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A testament to the fan base that Zeke can generate that much interest
Can you imagine if the Islanders were in contention for a “Goring-like” piece?
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NHL trade blog & bye RSH
ZENON KONOPKA – Dreger reports Anaheim and Vancouver are interested in the fourth-line center/face-off specialist/tough guy. He’s on a one-year deal and cheap at $600,000. Michael Russo of the Minneapolis Star-Tribune says the Wild could also be in on Konopka.
Wild get Konopka to move Madden?
Don’t like that scenario since the Islanders would be getting a secondary consideration.
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Can we just trade for Biz Nasty and then call it a day
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Not if Anaheim has a say about it
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Tiger Williams?!?
I thought that guy retired!
Holy crap, BASIL McRAE!!!!!
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And it loosely rhymed with “Basil.”
Then, of course, the Blues acquired him.
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by Dominik on Feb 28, 2011 1:02 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
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How about we package Z and Marti together and trade with the Canucks for Mason Raymond
any takers?
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by Jtpdolphins2009 on Feb 28, 2011 12:31 PM EST reply actions
yea!
Maybe if we put Gervais and Gillies in there they’ll include Kesler
by Original Rob on Feb 28, 2011 12:33 PM EST up reply actions
lol
I only say that because I had heard rumblings that the Nucks might move Raymond
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by Jtpdolphins2009 on Feb 28, 2011 12:34 PM EST up reply actions
"I know I can play in the NHL and produce." RSH via KStrang on Twitter
Ok, Rob, try not to let the door hit ya.
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So why didn't you "play and produce" on a nightly basis here?
by Russel Ginart on Feb 28, 2011 12:36 PM EST up reply actions
and just about 75% of the players in the NHL
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by Jtpdolphins2009 on Feb 28, 2011 12:39 PM EST up reply actions
Yes, but not all of them have great expectations
With his speed, hands, etc one would think he would have been more productive. I just find his statement funny. Is he saying he hasn’t yet begun to produce or is he saying he is not a fit with the Isles system?
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I didn’t see the speed in his game, if he had another gear his skill set would have had him in possession of the puck beating guys one on one instead of circling.
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I think I mentioned this the other day but
I can put up with the periodic turnovers and decision implosions that really creative players tend to make, but it was him taking shortcuts on the forecheck that started to exhaust my patience.
When you’re in the lane but just going through the motions/doing a drive-by/not forcing the D-man to make an actual decision, you’re pretty much screwing over your linemates and bringing the whole system down.
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Perhaps I should have said
“quickness”. I didn’t mean speed in terms of going north/south. He is agile, can wheel around the offensive zone with the puck, and has great hand eye coordination.
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The Atlanta blog thinks he's going to be a second line center for them
Man are they in for a shock.
You mean to tell me shooting the puck from 70 feet out doesn't earn us extra goals?
So they lost Peverley and Bergfors
Brought in Wheeler and Schremp. It’s like an enigma centrifuge.
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by Dominik on Feb 28, 2011 12:42 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Atlamta: RSH as a 2nd line center?
GOOD LUCK WITH THAT!
by Russel Ginart on Feb 28, 2011 12:42 PM EST up reply actions
No doubt he can be Atlanta's second line center and may be a better fit
He was just never going to be the Islanders number 2 center. Waivers and trades aren’t a complete referendum on a players career. Sometime you just have to go where there is a better fit and you haven’t used up all of your good will as the organization watched you develop.
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by Hockey1919 on Feb 28, 2011 12:47 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I didn't like the way Schremp played, but...
I don’t see what the rush was to send him through waivers. Couldn’t they have scratched him here n there like they have been, and then next year, if he had a shitty camp, assign him to Bridgeport? Then he could’ve helped the Tigers and our young prospects developing there.
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Yep
Even if you’re not an unabashed RSH fan like me, you have to scratch your head at this move from a management perspective.
At least they might've been able to use him to sweeten the deal...
… if they wanted to move up a few spots in the draft. I think number of roster spots might have something to do with it, but that stuff is way over my head.
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by ICanSeeForIslesAndIsles on Feb 28, 2011 12:42 PM EST up reply actions
nobody wants a Rob Schremp "Sweetener"
by Original Rob on Feb 28, 2011 12:43 PM EST up reply actions
Apparently Atlanta would've. :-)
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by ICanSeeForIslesAndIsles on Feb 28, 2011 12:44 PM EST up reply actions
Not if they had to give something up for him.
by Meet Me at the Lighthouse on Feb 28, 2011 12:44 PM EST up reply actions
I wasn't talking first round
But think third round, when it’s already a crap shoot. If they don’t have anyone on the board that’s too important to them at that moment, they might’ve gone for Schremp plus a few lower picks, whereas the lower picks themselves might not have been enough.
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by ICanSeeForIslesAndIsles on Feb 28, 2011 12:46 PM EST up reply actions
It was reported the Isles were shopping Shremp
A week ago the Isles were reported to have made clear that Schremp was available. Apparently he wasn’t worth more then a waiver pickup
Look, all I'm saying is that players have different values at different times of the year.
But whatever. No use worrying about it now.
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by ICanSeeForIslesAndIsles on Feb 28, 2011 1:04 PM EST up reply actions
they're taking a no-risk chance on him
Just like the Isles originally did. Think of these things from the other side – would you give up something for Rob Schremp?
by Original Rob on Feb 28, 2011 12:45 PM EST up reply actions
unless they are making a move to get back a player
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by Jtpdolphins2009 on Feb 28, 2011 12:42 PM EST up reply actions
I LIKED
Robbie, but he was nowhere near as consistent as you would like his numbers to appear. Brutal defensively, too hesitant offensively (IMO), no physical presence (not that important, but…) all adds up to a player destined to wear that title of “lots of potential”. I will miss RSH but you do make him sound as good and as important as JT. Not even close IMO.
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by upstateislesfan on Feb 28, 2011 1:00 PM EST up reply actions
The odd rush to send him through waivers
Agreed, I still don’t follow that but I’m reserving judgment until the dust settles.
I can think of some possibilities, and maybe they’ll become clear. But I’m not sure why, unless after receiving not even a 7th-round pick offer they thought, “Well, we’ll show him he needs to improve or else no one will want him.” (If it’s that one, then: FAIL. If it’s something else, we’ll see…)
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I guess that I will reserve judgment until the deadline passes. (Although I don’t like reserving judgment, not in my nature.)
But if at the end of the day we’re in the same spot, this is serious negligence by Snow and company.
Why so srious?
(Ignore that. Just felt compelled to vomit it.)
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I have a soft spot by talented and creative offensive players, particularly ones who may be headcases.
Plus, RSH once said: “I’ve just got get back to playing Rob Schremp Hockey.” That comment alone is worth a roster spot / late draft pick.
by AP77 on Feb 28, 2011 12:54 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
It really is. I can see him and Byfuglien being entertaining love/hate guys in Atlanta.
I think it was Lowetide who once wrote: “Rob Schremp is a hockey player in need of an expansion.” Can you imagine the Bradley/Kontos/Falloon numbers he’d put up if the league expanded again?
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by Dominik on Feb 28, 2011 12:58 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Quote is cooler than it actually meant this year
cuz this year Rob Schremp Hockey was awesome shootout moves and horrible OZ blueline turnovers
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Off-Topic, but
Today is the end of NHL Fanhouse on AOL…wonder where Botta goes from here?
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to work for the Ministry of Truth?
by Original Rob on Feb 28, 2011 12:47 PM EST up reply actions 5 recs
You Sir
Win The Thread
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Gotta wonder
Or hope for his sake. I remember him saying AOL paid the bills (vs. SNY). But they still are using Fanhouse’s people to some extent, right? Maybe he’d stay on?
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RSH was not a wanted commodity
These posters who wanted to trade RSH need to get over it. We got him on waivers and now he was lost on waivers. There was no takers if the recieving team had to give up something – even a 7th rd pick. He’s not worth a 7th rd pick.
But tell me,...
… how do you really feel about him? ;-)
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by ICanSeeForIslesAndIsles on Feb 28, 2011 12:52 PM EST up reply actions
Of course he was worth a 7th
What we have to consider here is both sides of “value”. Snow probably could have gotten a 7th, but what good is a 7th? (Cody Rosen much?) The idea of sending him through waivers was an attempt to keep him (I think) because anything under a 3rd is too little, and aything above a 5th wasn’t happening.
He’s a 24 year old formert 1st rounder who makes 600K right. Shootout specialist. That alone makes him worth a 7th.
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then why was he not traded?
James T Paulson
by Jtpdolphins2009 on Feb 28, 2011 1:04 PM EST up reply actions
Why would you rather have
a 7th round pick, than a chance for RSH to help Bridgeport and/or sort out his game and help the team? I’m basically saying, there may not have been GOOD INTEREST…meaning, if we we’re going to give up on him, we’d want more than a 7th.
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But why not wait till september to put him in bridgeport, would he have had to go thru waivers then as well?
"Seriously that's the last time you guys f#@%ing won?" -RSH (about beating the Penguins in '93)
Yes
No one escapes the Waiver Inquisition. (Even Witt would’ve had to go through waivers again if they hadn’t bought him out.)
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2-way wouldn't have mattered, games played at the NHL level etc.
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Two-way deals don't affect waivers
Two-way deals are strictly about salary, they don’t absolve you of waivers.
The only remote effect there is when a guy’s AHL salary is $105,000 or above, he is not subject to re-entry waivers when you recall him — but he’s still subject to waivers when you first stash him in the A.
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A 7th round pick is a joke
There’s a reason why you never see 7th round picks included in trades
not meant as a zing, just short form for what has happened
that was probably a token gesture just for the birds to take his salary, or you can see how low the bar is set for underperforming forwards.
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Like selling a car to your Nephew for a dollar.
Yep,
Not a serious exchange of value
Only a former 2bit used car salesmen would bother trying to stock up on 7th rounders
Burke and Sather are on the sales lot
Rangers acquire John Mitchell from the Leafs for a seventh-round draft pick in 2012.
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I will just miss
the shootouts. Very creative. And that Colorado goal…..
But not depressed about losing him. I do wish him luck in Atlanta, though.
Thank you Matt Moulson!
It doesn't hurt being an Islander fan....but it sure hurts playing for them...get well soon, um, everybody....
Confused
Is anyone else seeing a handful of tweets wishing Lupul good luck on LI?
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Lupul for Konopka would be golden
:)
You mean to tell me shooting the puck from 70 feet out doesn't earn us extra goals?
Lupul was already traded to TOR was he not?
James T Paulson
by Jtpdolphins2009 on Feb 28, 2011 12:59 PM EST up reply actions
Indeed he was.
You only figure 8 once.
by The Black Map on Feb 28, 2011 1:02 PM EST up reply actions
Lupul's could totally pot 30.
You only figure 8 once.
by The Black Map on Feb 28, 2011 12:59 PM EST up reply actions
Originated from Down Goes Brown on twitter
“Let’s make our own entertainment. At 12:50, everyone tweet @JLupul at the same time with some variation of “Good luck in Long Island!”"
"It's a good thing the Islanders spent the offseason compiling organizational depth on the blueline. Because, yes, they're losing defensemen almost as rapidly as they're losing games."
Wow...
If that’s true, it’s just…. wow.
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by ICanSeeForIslesAndIsles on Feb 28, 2011 1:02 PM EST up reply actions
nah, I think it's fabulous
New hotness: Punking guys on Twitter
It’s like Candid Camera 2.0.
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You mean there are no fact checkers on Twitter?
All those inside stock tips are going to kill me. I better tweet my broker.
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anyone want to up the stakes
and change his wikipedia page?
"It's a good thing the Islanders spent the offseason compiling organizational depth on the blueline. Because, yes, they're losing defensemen almost as rapidly as they're losing games."
I'd rather target Down Goes Brown.
Do THEY have a Wiki entry?
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by ICanSeeForIslesAndIsles on Feb 28, 2011 1:07 PM EST up reply actions
targeting DGB is a good way to get destroyed on the internet
Rule #20
by JaredFromLondon on Feb 28, 2011 1:14 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Seriously!
You’ll end up with internet Islander-Face! Bunch of funny bastards there!
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Yeah, well, they just picked on us.
So you’d rather just let them bully us around? Screw ‘em. Long Island is a great place to be. We don’t need more slander thrown our way.
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by ICanSeeForIslesAndIsles on Feb 28, 2011 2:05 PM EST up reply actions
Hahaha, classic.
Me and my friend did that last year to a couple players, and all the idiots on hockey buzz were talking about it. It was hialrious. Well I guess i’m a dbag too
by Meet Me at the Lighthouse on Feb 28, 2011 1:09 PM EST up reply actions
Well, if that's the case, let's do the same thing
Let’s congratulate Phil Kessel on his trade to the KHL or something similar.
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by ICanSeeForIslesAndIsles on Feb 28, 2011 1:06 PM EST up reply actions
won't work
He’s already a Toronto Maple Leaf.
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by mikb on Feb 28, 2011 1:07 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
damn it you type faster
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luck of the auto-update, that's all
Sarcastic minds think alike!
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Nice!
You know what I mean, though. Pick someone who we hate and have them go to Siberia.
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by ICanSeeForIslesAndIsles on Feb 28, 2011 1:08 PM EST up reply actions
Why get Kessel's hopes up that he's going to a far better place?
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I have a better idea...
How about Matt Cooke coming to the Isles?
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by ICanSeeForIslesAndIsles on Feb 28, 2011 1:09 PM EST up reply actions
ROFLOL
If Mario had that kind of brass, Cooke would be behaving himself already.
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apparently it was a prank to get Lupul to think he was traded. Screw other teams fan bases for thinking LI is a death sentence.
"It's a good thing the Islanders spent the offseason compiling organizational depth on the blueline. Because, yes, they're losing defensemen almost as rapidly as they're losing games."
PHX and CBJ make a deal
CBJ trades Klesla to PHX for Upshall and Sami Lepisto
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by Jtpdolphins2009 on Feb 28, 2011 12:56 PM EST reply actions
Ahhh Maloney
teaching Phoenix fans why we hated him
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by Mark D on Feb 28, 2011 12:59 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I am sad about RSH
I really like him, we have even DMed on Twitter. :(
I am sad to see him go.
The Isles lost some talent and some personality today. Lets hope they dont lose any more.
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Ditto
except no DMing
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Haha
Twitter, “Direct Messanging”…it’s private chat. Go TMC!
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It was noting remarkable I assure you
But he is a really nice person. I just told him he will always have fans on LI.
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by TheMetalChick on Feb 28, 2011 2:08 PM EST up reply actions
great, now all I can think of is Rob Schremp running a D&D campaign and being the Dungeon Master
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Haha
was totally thinking that as I typed it!
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Rob Schremp, the Text Adventure
You are on a rink. There is ice on the surface. You have four teammates and five opponents. They have the puck. What do you do?
>Hang at blue line.
Your coach is yelling at you to get the $#! involved. What do you do?
>Hang at red line.
You are on the bench. Your opponents have scored. Your coach is yelling at you to get your head out of your @%$&^$. What do you do?
>Check out Ice Girls.
It is the second period. You are on the rink. You have four teammates and only four opponents. Your team has the puck. What do you do?
>Cheat for a breakaway.
Your team has gained the zone, but you were offside. Your coach is yelling at you to wake the ^^#%^* up. What do you do?
>What’s with the cussing? Wait, I play for the Capitals? SWEE --
No. What do you do?
>Line up for the faceoff.
Your team has won the faceoff. You have the puck.
>Gain the zone.
The other team is playing well off you. What do you do?
>Slapshot!
You do not have a slapshot. What do you do?
>The hell I don’t! SLAPSHOT!
Really… you don’t. Please don’t make me share the results.
>Fine. Circle the zone.
How many times?
>
>
>
Make up your mind, kid.
>
>
The defense has knocked you on your keister and broken out two-on-one. Your coach is banging his head on the glass. What do you do?
> Look for a call.
The ref hasn’t noticed anything wrong.
>AW C’MON! Are you fist
Again – you’re not a Captial. You’re an Islander. The ref gives you ten minutes. You are in a penalty box. Your coach is drinking from a small metal flask. What do you do?
>Wait for shootout.
It is the shootout. It is the first time you’ve been on the ice since the second period. What do you do?
>I do what I do, baby.
It takes six minutes, but you have scored. The Islanders win. Fans love you.
>Twitter about Rob Schremp Hockey, make “number one in the hood G” joke.
Old.
>Not for RSH, baby.
It is the next day. You have been placed on waivers.
>Awesome! Finally some quality ice time!
You have been claimed by the Atlanta Thrashers.
>Are you fist f—— me?
Again – NOT THE CAPITALS. What do you do?
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by mikb on Feb 28, 2011 2:04 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Rec'd
Too bad I can’t read all this now. Stupid work.
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by ICanSeeForIslesAndIsles on Feb 28, 2011 2:07 PM EST up reply actions
Did his penalty shot attempts count for half of his ice time per game?
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The fact that some are this broken up about Rob Schremp tells me
that maybe we are more than a year a way from competing
James T Paulson
by Jtpdolphins2009 on Feb 28, 2011 1:12 PM EST reply actions
on the flip side
Since we waived a guy so loved like Rob Schremp, maybe our players are better than most think
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by Jtpdolphins2009 on Feb 28, 2011 1:14 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Listen
When we are looking at guys like Reese, Gervais, Hillen, Weight, Hunter, Martin, Haley, Joensuu, Colliton etc…I’ll take RSH every day and twice on trade deadline day…haven’t seen Snow’s phone ringing for those guys either.
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by Keith Quinn on Feb 28, 2011 1:14 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
-1 million
guess that zeros out that comment
Snow didnt shop those other players, he did shop Schremp. I mean how man dangling third line players do we need? I mean really>? All those players you mentioned have a more important role on the team than Schremp does
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by Jtpdolphins2009 on Feb 28, 2011 1:16 PM EST up reply actions
No
How many “dangling third line players” do you think the Isles have? Because I now count 0.
Everything else you said is wrong as well. Huzzah!
Incorrect sir
Comeau – 3rd line player
some would say Neilsen is too
Reese, Hillen and Gervais are important because of all of the injuries on D. Martin, Haley, Colliton and Joensuu are all players that have shown flashes of talent and are likely in some way part of the core. Hunter and Weight for veteran presence
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by Jtpdolphins2009 on Feb 28, 2011 1:21 PM EST up reply actions
No again
BC may be a third line player. But he’s hardly a “dangling” player or a sniper — unless you define dangling as skating around in net in circles. FN is also not that sort of player.
Aside from FN and BC, all of the rest of the players you mentioned are god awful.
Fixed
Aside from FNand BC, all of the rest of the players you mentioned are god awful.
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Neilsen as a dnagling 3rd line player
Are you even watching games?
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by Mark D on Feb 28, 2011 1:23 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
3rd line player
not the dangling part
I was tired of watching Schremp dangle around the top of the zone and skate his way out of a scoring chance
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by Jtpdolphins2009 on Feb 28, 2011 1:24 PM EST up reply actions
Quantifying our lines
Might as well use a Oiuja board. Beginning of season, Comeau was a 1st liner. Now he’s 3rd because he’s worse than everyone else. Outside of JT and MM on the 1st, I’d have a hard time trying to name a particular place for just about anyone on this team.
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Exactly
Why not shop them? That’s the point…and really, the point is because BPT is in bad shape too…which is why we wanted to keep RSH and send him there. I’m sure the Isles had their fingers crossed he didn’t get picked up. There is no way that given the amount of one goal and shootout games we’ve been in that they would want to lose him outright for nothing.
They just couldn’t get enough in a trade to justify a trade.
Also, please clarify for me what role you think Joensuu or Colliton or Haley have that dwarfs the Schremp role? Joensuu and Colliton are about the same age and very different awful.
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This is Rob Schremp we are talking about
not Tavares or Okposo
this is not a big loss for us at all
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by Jtpdolphins2009 on Feb 28, 2011 1:21 PM EST up reply actions
On this team, maybe 1 or 2 players would qualify as a “big loss,” so this is really all relative. But relatively speaking, I would have rather seen about half the roster go out the door before giving away RSH for nothing.
This^
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"Relatively speaking"
Exactly. It’s deadline day. Gotta have fun with it. Esp. with players we’ve watched and grown to love or hate (or both) all season.
The stakes are not high here, because the Islanders do not have much to play with.
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That's the point
If we had offense ready to bang down the door, it wouldn’t matter to me, but RSH is a significantly better offensive threat on the ice than just about everyone not named Grabs, MM, JT.
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Fair enough
and yes he was more of an offensive threat then many others. His talent in that department made him maddening because you want to project there is so much more he can give you. But the team simple wasn’t significantly better with him then many other “spare parts”
If Snow could get rid of some of those players, I’m sure he would. Personally, I think Martin and Colliton fill better roles than Schremp does right now, not necessarily more skilled players, but a different need. Reese and Gervais could be dropped tomorrow and I wouldn’t care, but they still need to have at least six players that can skate backwards (Note: I didn’t even say play defense).
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by Hockey1919 on Feb 28, 2011 1:21 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I dont think anyones gunna lose any sleep over it
He his moments though and he became sort of a fan favorite. I went to the game saturday and saw some jerseys for him. I dont see anyone really saying were gunna be a worse team now though.
Constantly building for the future.
No
But we’re certainly not better…neither is BPT. I hope Atlanta trades him for a 2nd!
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wow are you that bitter over this?
Again this is rob schremp we are talking about
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by Jtpdolphins2009 on Feb 28, 2011 1:22 PM EST up reply actions
I'm interested in all this outrage over RSH.
They wanted him back in BPT – he didn’t clear – oh well.
Such is hockey life.
You only figure 8 once.
by The Black Map on Feb 28, 2011 1:25 PM EST up reply actions
I wouldn't say bitter
just don’t get it. I think there were moves we could have made that would have prevented this. Signed him (we held RFA rights) on the cheap for one year, either gotten a pick for compensation if somebody wants him, put him in BPT (if we could have gotten him on a 2 way), let him have a full offseason and training camp (since he was injured at the end of last year and beginning of this year) and seen if he gelled with some other players that we bring in…or showcase him for an offseason trade or draft day trade.
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Just to clarify: as answered elsewhere two-way would not have made him waiver exempt next year
The options on Schremp were keep him on the Islanders for cheap the remainder of this season or waive him since there apparently weren’t any trade partners.
I’m not sure why they chose waive him, but I’m not feeling his loss will cause any long term problems either. Based on their decision to waive him there is zero likelihood they intended to re-sign him over the saummer.
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Me either
especially right now…I just didn’t feel like we answered any questions yet…be they about him, or the rest of the bottom 6.
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Trying to think of a reason to waive Schremp
The Islanders may be looking at signing players from NCAA when the season is over and need to clear out contracts. No way to get his cotnract off the books after this weekend.
May have been looking to create space to make a waiver pick-up on the active roster. If any of the injured players are due back soon they need to still comply with the 23 man roster size and they may have targeted another teams waiver player. Still may not gt him if another team (i.e. Ottawa or Edmonton put the claim in first), but you need the room to make the claim.
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They would have just not qualified RSH then
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I'm thinking for this season, not next
Can they not sign players to contracts for the remainder of the year to get them down to the AHL for seasoning?
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I’m not good with the ins and outs of the CBA, but I think they could have given them Amatuer Try Out contracts.
For example Dehart played a handful of games in the AHL last year
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Wasn’t sure either, just trying to figure out what the thinking may be.
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Try Outs wouldn’t count against the Islanders contract limit
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Do you recall what KO signed when he came out? Did he riska try out or was it a full blown contract? I’m thinking full contract to avoid the risk of injury.
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Full contract
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so let me run a full COZO
It is possible they are looking to sign NCAA or junior players to full contracts when their obligations are fulfilled so that they can join the AHL. These players are most probably their higher end prospects that wouldn’t sign a Try Out contract.
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I think Snow had made a decision on Schremp, wanted to give other players a try towards the end of the season and needed to waive RSH so that he could be sent down later this year. It was a calculated gamble is all.
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Simplest answer is probably the truth.
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It's possible
But I think you’d still do ATO’s at this date. Okposo was different as they definitely wanted him in the NHL that year assuming all went well.
These other guys…didn’t Rhett sign an ATO at the end of last year or am I mistaken? Anyway, that’s the typical route. But if you sign them to an NHL deal, it doesn’t change much (still stash them in the AHL) unless you’re up against the 50-contract limit.
ATO is a nice incentive to get a kid to prove he deserves a real deal.
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Pretty sure they did
he got some games in.
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Seriously, I knew today would be slow
But I didn’t think the dominating conversation would be Rob Schremp lol
by Meet Me at the Lighthouse on Feb 28, 2011 1:26 PM EST up reply actions
I confess I prefer it this way
I used to really love the frenzy of Deadline Day, but now with so much social media pushing conflicting reports out there at once, I kind of like that it’s been more like Deadline Month, and anything that happens today gives me proper time to digest it.
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true, the media is a pain
I just stick to tsn. and newsday(Since they have the only isles beat writer)
by Meet Me at the Lighthouse on Feb 28, 2011 1:28 PM EST up reply actions
Newsday annoyed me the other day with their headline
“Isles can’t win in front of sellout crowd”
I guess Newsday missed all those games the Rangers lose in front of Sellout crowds.
Then the first paragraph goes on to say the Sellout was mostly due to Capitals fans and made no mention of the White Out.
F Newsday
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Don't get me wrong, I hate Newsday as well. The money for articles on their website is bullshit.
But lets be honest, the Isles don’t exactly have a ton of media coverage. But yes Newsday is a joke
by Meet Me at the Lighthouse on Feb 28, 2011 1:35 PM EST up reply actions
Or the Daily News or the Post
for that matter.
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Yea, but they're local papers?
The papers that you usually see, local teams covered in
by Meet Me at the Lighthouse on Feb 28, 2011 1:40 PM EST up reply actions
Daily News?...they just cover the Rangers.
The Islanders get shat on
by Meet Me at the Lighthouse on Feb 28, 2011 1:38 PM EST up reply actions
Back when I was in NYC still
Back in 99, I remember that the Islanders would sometimes get relegated to the top of the “Out Of Town Scores” and two sentence summary in both the Post and News. They wouldn’t even bother to write it up themselves, they used the AP summary
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That misuse of the English language is typical
The correct statement is “Isles do not win in front of sellout crowd”
Past historical facts and logic would dictate that the Isles have the capablity to win in front of sellout crowds.
My understanding was Newsday was suppose to be written at a fourth grade reading level. I remember my fourth grade teacher always correcting us when we said we “can’t” do something. It was always " you can, but you choose not to"
by neologizer on Feb 28, 2011 1:38 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
in fairness
I paraphrased without checking, but the headline was something to that extent.
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Just wait
When the championships return, they will be touting the Islanders as a “Local Landmark”, stuff like that.
My dad still has hanging in his garage the original four covers from Newsday of the Islanders cups….love looking at them each time I’m there. And it amazes me that hockey fans around the world don’t look at this organization as great, despite recent history.
Thank you Matt Moulson!
It doesn't hurt being an Islander fan....but it sure hurts playing for them...get well soon, um, everybody....
by CharlieIsles on Feb 28, 2011 1:39 PM EST up reply actions
I hate to break it to ya
But the deals need to be done by 3pm. Sometimes you don’t hear them reported for an hour or two after. Last year there was trades rolling in after 4.
You mean to tell me shooting the puck from 70 feet out doesn't earn us extra goals?
What the Now Age has done to me...
You only figure 8 once.
by The Black Map on Feb 28, 2011 1:40 PM EST up reply actions
Trade deadline has now been linked to Day Light savings time, but NHL has yet to release the memo to the public
The Florida Panthers and Atlanta Thrashers apparently didn’t receive notice and the Coyotes didn’t read the notice since Daylight Saving time is a foreign concept in Arizona.
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Hey Dom
Not sure if you saw it, but Shawn Belle got traded again
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LOL
Also: “He was sulking in OKC so he had to be moved.” Excellent.
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Bryan Allen to Carolina. Sergei Samsonov to Florida
by Meet Me at the Lighthouse on Feb 28, 2011 1:41 PM EST reply actions
Samsonov? Does he have an expiring contract?
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I believe he does. Wierd, you'd think they would try and get picks for a guy like Allen
by Meet Me at the Lighthouse on Feb 28, 2011 1:47 PM EST up reply actions
Allen had another year at 2.9 Mill, guess they just wanted to clear out the contract.
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Yea, I understand that move. Just thought maybe they'd want picks back for him.
Since Samsonov is going to be a free agent after the year. You’d think a rebuilding team would want the picks. Guess no one wanted to part with them for Allen
by Meet Me at the Lighthouse on Feb 28, 2011 1:55 PM EST up reply actions
Reports
Chicago is closing in on a trade for a Dman, believed to be Martinek.
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not so much
Check out this pic though
http://www.flickr.com/photos/islespunkfan/5483635469/
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Is that the Islander Jesus shining down
by Meet Me at the Lighthouse on Feb 28, 2011 2:03 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I was thinking the same thing.
But I’m sure it was the Caps’ Jesus.
You only figure 8 once.
by The Black Map on Feb 28, 2011 2:04 PM EST up reply actions
Since that is my photo...
I can tell you that it was not an Isles or a Caps fan, but a Rags fan. It was poor timing on my part, for as I was taking the shots for the panorama, the Caps scored. Would have been cooler if an Islander scored instead.
Nice shot!
Even with the “fan” stepping in.
Also, welcome to the site! Thanks for joining.
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Campoli to Chicago for pick & AHLer
You mean to tell me shooting the puck from 70 feet out doesn't earn us extra goals?
hahaha Campoli....
Didn’t go for a 1st round pick this time eh?
by Meet Me at the Lighthouse on Feb 28, 2011 1:58 PM EST up reply actions
You go Campoli
I’m sure the Hawks will feature you on the powerplay.
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TSNBobMcKenzie: CHI gives up conditional 2nd and Ryan Potulny to OTT for Campoli and a conditinoal 2nd
You mean to tell me shooting the puck from 70 feet out doesn't earn us extra goals?
Correction
TSNBobMcKenzie: Campoli and a conditional 7th round pick to CHI for Ryan Potulny and conditional 2nd roudn pick.
You mean to tell me shooting the puck from 70 feet out doesn't earn us extra goals?
Seriously?
Who puts conditions on a 7th round pick?
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Condition
Must be a third string college goalie
You mean to tell me shooting the puck from 70 feet out doesn't earn us extra goals?
Don't forget
Snow was a 3rd String goalie in College
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by Mark D on Feb 28, 2011 2:06 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
New from St. Louis
"@TSNBobMcKenzie: STL trades Brad Winchester to ANA for a 3rd round pick."
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by Keith Quinn on Feb 28, 2011 2:08 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Not bad for Anaheim
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So will the Ducks have any picks left?
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And Winchester is a UFA
If that’s the 3rd they got for Wisniewski, then Bob Murray is a silly, silly man.
Actually, he’s a silly man regardless, but still.
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Really the only thing that would have made this trade deadline interesting is if
A. somehow Bogosian was moved somewhere. But Atlanta made it clear the price was very very high.
B.If Richards was moved. It appears this isn’t happening.
I’m actually fine with the isles doing nothing today
by Meet Me at the Lighthouse on Feb 28, 2011 2:11 PM EST reply actions
Also
#Habs have acquired Dustin Penner from #oilers for Jarred Tinordi and 1st rounder
web • 2/28/11 2:01 PM
retweeted by @BComptonNHL
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by Keith Quinn on Feb 28, 2011 2:12 PM EST via mobile reply actions
That's a pretty big move for the Habs. I like Penner
by Meet Me at the Lighthouse on Feb 28, 2011 2:14 PM EST up reply actions
Me too, obviously
I don’t get Edmonton. Penner is an actual player. So is Hemsky (who is in rumors, too). Are they trying to plan for 2019?
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Is he worth two first rounders?
Wasn’t Tinordi Habs first rounder last season? Guess he is since he isn’t a rental and the East is wide open.
Sarcasm is my permanent font.
ARE YOU MF'in SERIOUS?!?!
What the hell, Edmonton. What. The. Hell.
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Sorry all!
That was from a faked account! All twitter notables are retracting it!
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It was re-twat
by LeBrun!
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Oh, sure, bring someone else's twat into this
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by Dominik on Feb 28, 2011 2:27 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
ok, I admit that was funny
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I love
irregular past tense!
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What God hath twat
Let no man tweet asunder.
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by Dominik on Feb 28, 2011 2:32 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Strang's Tweet
With an hour left til trade deadline, nothing cooking right now for #Isles
Oh, the mood will be hairy if no assets come in and all that happens is RSH goes out for free.
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I was thinking about it
And everyone complains about Martin/Joensuu not getting any time. Schremp leaving most likely means more time for those 2 on a scoring line instead of the 4th line.
Which is probably why Snow was willing to waive Schremp. He wanted to see more out of Martin/Joensuu especially since JJ is going to be an RFA this year.
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One other thing
This is an extra contract slot. The Isles were down to their last one or two before reaching 50. This means a little more flexibility, and maybe one more RFA they can keep and develop, rather than cut loose.
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actually
If your going by me saying that a few weeks ago, I was wrong.
De Haan and Nino don’t count against the 50 contract limit while they are still in JRs and have under 11 NHL games played.
So they were at 47 before dealing him
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so are we back to discussing the possibility that this was contract space again?
Sarcasm is my permanent font.
Actually, I was counting
So I got it wrong independently. But it’s still very close to the limit. If the team is counting on bringing Nino in for good next season, and de Haan goes to the AHL, that’s one left. That’s not enough to sign your picks and your key guys while still having room for any trades or FAs. One extra slot may not mean too much, but it’s a start, especially if RSH wasn’t in their plans heading forward.
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I have to say
Game sim’ing this situation out all day has been fun. Wisdom of crowds and all that.
“Class assignment: Why waive RSH now?” I think we’ve done well troubleshooting the possibilities.
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This is waht I like best about this site
Having an actual conversation trying to figure out why a move may or may not make sense and getting it covered from all angles and perspectives. I can’t remember the CBA so I look for contract input, and I’m too lazy to do my job, so why would I want to count contracts, but in the end someone can come to some reasonable explaination of what happened.
Sarcasm is my permanent font.
Also out of all the forwards on the team
I have seen more progress out of JT, MM, Grabs, KO, BC, JB, and Martin, than I have out of Schremp
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by Jtpdolphins2009 on Feb 28, 2011 2:22 PM EST up reply actions
Sarah Goldstein: The Penner trade to Montreal did not happen. A fake twitter account reported this.
by Meet Me at the Lighthouse on Feb 28, 2011 2:20 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Penner IS going to LA
Jay Onrait: Penner to the Kings for a 1st round pick, Colton Tuebert and another pick
You mean to tell me shooting the puck from 70 feet out doesn't earn us extra goals?
Wow
Still don’t get why the Oil deal Penner.
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unbelievable. After the shit they went through to get him? I guess they have no need for a 25-30 goal/yr power forward .
Penner
not in TEH CORE
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Great for LA
I’ve always liked Penner but yeah, what are Oilers doing?
You only figure 8 once.
by The Black Map on Feb 28, 2011 2:29 PM EST up reply actions
What's the sense in developing a 1st round Pick when Penner alreaday has Talent
by Meet Me at the Lighthouse on Feb 28, 2011 2:30 PM EST up reply actions
Penner could be a guy that puts the Kings over the top
but that is a pretty steep price for him IMO
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by Jtpdolphins2009 on Feb 28, 2011 2:30 PM EST up reply actions
TANK FOR NUGE 2.0
Getting Colton Teubert in return makes me hope the Oil are out of the Larsson running.
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other pick
is a conditional 2nd…you have to do it if your the Oil right?
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I guess, 1st, 2nd, and a player isn't bad
I just didn’t think trading Penner at all was a good move
by Meet Me at the Lighthouse on Feb 28, 2011 2:32 PM EST up reply actions
yea the Oil got a lot back
1st round pick and a conditional 2nd, plus a player
great return for a building team
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by Jtpdolphins2009 on Feb 28, 2011 2:33 PM EST up reply actions
Especially if the Kings
crumble.
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Could have seen Penner as an Isle
Would have been a good fit.
You only figure 8 once.
by The Black Map on Feb 28, 2011 2:36 PM EST up reply actions
Conditional pick
is 2012…is that a deeper draft?
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Tuebert is a defense prospect
This might make Larsson less likely
You mean to tell me shooting the puck from 70 feet out doesn't earn us extra goals?
or makes the trade for Smid more likely
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by Jtpdolphins2009 on Feb 28, 2011 2:33 PM EST up reply actions
On Teubert
This is really, really funny.
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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
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I figured out the Nameplate for my Isles Jersey
Hoppy
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OT-ish: Me on Binghamton radio
I’m doing this radio show with Steven Grill again (he used to do the Hockey LI podcast), today at 3:30 p.m. EST. Or, I’m the guest anyway. WHRW 90.5 FM Binghamton.
Listen here for an Eastern European accent (not really) mixed with a Midwestern drawl (also not really): http://www.nysportsguide.com/
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Oh btw
I screwed up and this is at 4:30, not 3:30. I hate deadline day.
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NHL
retweeting Moulson’s RSH send-off
Good Luck to @RobSchremp in ATL…Wish nothing but the best for him
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It hurts inside
I tweeted something also…similar. Wished him big minutes.
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In this crazy world
Campoli in just a few years goes from the Islanders to the Hawks lol
I guess its true that you never know what will happen lol
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by Jtpdolphins2009 on Feb 28, 2011 2:41 PM EST reply actions
Now when does Bryan Murray start handing us those picks he's recollected?
Can we do more Campoli and Suttons please?
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And WOW
The guy nets a first and a second in consecutive deals? He’s like the draft equivalent of a perpetual motion machine… just trade him for great picks until he retires.
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Campoli Proves the Reverse Milbury Effect
Campoli gets dealt for a 1st, but was drafted by MM in late rounds
Martinek is worth a 3rdish but was drafted by MM in late rounds
Gervais is worth a 5thish, but was drafted by MM in late rounds
Yet all of MM’s first round picks always got back less then 1st rounders
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Stupid fucking
inverted Milbury talent vortex
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Yeah even when he did
get a first for a first……it was Yashin
and a hundred keyboards are smashed
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As his talent decreases
his upward team mobility increases? Strange.
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ESPN Rumor is tweeting, that Pens are working on a stunner
Hope thats untrue, really don’t wanna see Pitt suceed
by Meet Me at the Lighthouse on Feb 28, 2011 2:46 PM EST reply actions
stunner doesn't necessarily mean success
Any of the Mystery GM’s trades could be called stunning, but few could be called success.
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That should be on fortune cookies
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Crosby/Cooke to Isles
You only figure 8 once.
by The Black Map on Feb 28, 2011 2:47 PM EST up reply actions
Saw that
earlier they were saying something about Tangradi…I wouldn’t mind him…although
awkwaaaaard
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that would be classic.
Hemsky is still available, but I wouldn’t call that a stunner
by Meet Me at the Lighthouse on Feb 28, 2011 2:48 PM EST up reply actions
Ledger_NJDevils
claiming Wash/Devs working on something for Arnott
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Arnotts a good vet. I think he'd fit well on the Caps team
by Meet Me at the Lighthouse on Feb 28, 2011 2:52 PM EST up reply actions
absolutely
as an opposite wing of either Ovie or Semin…they’ll have another grinder certainly.
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Yea'd he'd fit perfect opposite of Ovie
by Meet Me at the Lighthouse on Feb 28, 2011 2:55 PM EST up reply actions
Caps trying to Guerin a Cup
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Arnott did waive his NTC
Interesting idea for the Caps.
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Did you see the one tweet about Arnott?
He’s up for a team that is definitely in the playoffs, but not one that isn’t a sure thing.
Nabokov’s Disease!
(In truth, if he has a NTC, he can do whatever he wants. But it’s still funny.)
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Nabokov disease
pathology is on the inability to report
difference is Arnott has won 2 stanley cups
Nabby is the reason the Sharks have not won one yet
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by Jtpdolphins2009 on Feb 28, 2011 2:54 PM EST up reply actions
You just hurt Joe Thornton's feelings
He’s plenty responsible!
Oh wait….
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well yea him too lol
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by Jtpdolphins2009 on Feb 28, 2011 2:55 PM EST up reply actions
Note: Not over until after it's over
As someone said earlier, even though the deadline is 2 p.m., it’s possible word will trickle in of other trades a while after the deadline. Rush of paperwork jamming the home office at the deadline and such.
Not saying get your hopes up; just that 2 p.m. isn’t the end of it.
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Someone get this man a towel
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BTW
A little OT, but I’m still laughing at your “Tweeting in the Wind” bit.
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Now it's stuck in my head, of course
I was at a buddy’s house and he had that book of illustrated Dylan songs.
I felt dense trying to figure out the illustrations for “Like a Rolling Stone,” but “Blowin’ in the Wind” was easier to follow.
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Or 3PM eastern
If your reading this and are confused like me
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Ha, crap
I’m totally confused now. Sorry: 3 PM!
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This is the FINAL MINUTE to trade in the season
ONE MINUTE!
/announcervoice
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Snow just got put on hold lol
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by Jtpdolphins2009 on Feb 28, 2011 3:01 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Your call is important to us
LOL
Somebody will be with you soon…..pls stay on the line
hahaha Just heard the Islanders.....
1 minute remaining in the third period….one minute remaing
by Meet Me at the Lighthouse on Feb 28, 2011 3:01 PM EST up reply actions
This just in...
NHL delaying TADE DEADLINE… FAX MACHINE JAMMED WITH JOHN SPANO"S TAX RETURNS
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you would be a perfect fit for the Pens then
are you sure you are not part of that something big the Pens are cooking up?
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by Jtpdolphins2009 on Feb 28, 2011 3:02 PM EST up reply actions
It's not the end of the world.
You only figure 8 once.
by The Black Map on Feb 28, 2011 3:04 PM EST up reply actions
at least with Snow we know he has a pair
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by mikb on Feb 28, 2011 3:05 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
lol
I guess flipping Wiz for a 2nd, trading for Montoya and getting Wishart were all pointless?
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Yes
He trade our only Rob Schremp Hockey for nothing.
Now we have a serious RSH gap that needs to be addressed.
serious gap and Rob Schremp should never be put in the same sentence
unless you are talking about the eventual gap between his teeth that would have occurred on Long Island
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by Jtpdolphins2009 on Feb 28, 2011 3:07 PM EST up reply actions
Pretty sure that was Sarcasm
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What if we get
an RNH…would that make you feel better?
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What if RNH gets back to playing RNH?
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I'm going to look on e-bay
for a Bobblehead
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Oh man we could have gotten at least a couple more Ice Girls for RSH!
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by The Black Map on Feb 28, 2011 3:09 PM EST up reply actions
Time for MMH?
JJH? One of those acronyms could stick, i’m sure of it. (and yes, MMH is Matt Martin Hockey)
I wasn’t a big RSH fan. Just another softie on a team needing toughness.
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by IslesFanInNJ on Feb 28, 2011 3:08 PM EST up reply actions
What are you gonna do with him...
… they feel that htey have their own fish to fry. No top contender needed him enough to give up anything, and the Islanders have no place to put him.
Look at it this way. this means that we may see super-hot Ullstrom for a few games, maybe even DiBo. Haley brings more to the fourth line and PK… and the two positions taht he can play are all full up full time. Maybe they need a roster spot for Streit… I’m surprised they weren’t able to pick up an NHL goaltender.
You can punch Snow in the balls, but I give him credit for bringing him in for the SAME price. No harm, no foul.
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I gotta say
It’s weird seeing you speak so highly of a player. So used to you bashing our D, though i can’t blame you for that.
Constantly building for the future.
Just under the wire
TSN announcing D Mitchell to the Rangers for the ever-popular “To Be Named Later. (but NOT Redden calm down already)”
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Huge Move for the Rags
Championship..
by Meet Me at the Lighthouse on Feb 28, 2011 3:05 PM EST up reply actions
beg pardon
Mitchell’s a center, and little-used at that. Decent rookie year, not much going on since.
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updated
Mitchell to Rangers for… wait for it…. a seventh-round pick.
Thank you, Brian Burke, for helping us laugh about the NHL…. again.
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Katie Strang says Isles are done
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by Jtpdolphins2009 on Feb 28, 2011 3:06 PM EST reply actions
We knew that back in November
Oh, wait, she means trading…
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by Dominik on Feb 28, 2011 3:07 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
ba dum ching
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Can't say i'm really upset
I didn’t see any reason to trade anyone. That being said. If we do not resign Konopka or Martinek, then i’ll be upset
by Meet Me at the Lighthouse on Feb 28, 2011 3:08 PM EST up reply actions
I’d still be surprised if Martinek is brought back.
I think we keep him so we can have some semblance of a real Blue Line to finish out the year. Can’t have Hillen/Bruno/Katic/Wishart the whole rest of the way
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lol so you are upset that we may have kept
a player who is a solid Defensemen when healthy, and yet we let go our 9th best forward?
I mean really?
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by Jtpdolphins2009 on Feb 28, 2011 3:11 PM EST up reply actions
I know you’re trolling at this point, but I will note the following:
1. Martinek is (a) never healthy and (b) awful now in any event. This is not the Martinek of a few years ago. He’s is not good at all anymore.
2. As Quinn correctly noted earlier, when it comes to offense, RSH > everyone on the Isles != JT, MM, Grabner.
This is not the Martinek of a few years ago. He’s is not good at all anymore.
This really isn’t true though. I mean really, it’s not. Cross my heart and hope to die.
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GVT … equal to RSH, heh.
Seriously, look at his zone shift, qual comp, there are plenty of numbers that say he is not exactly ass.
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But, but . . . according to everyone else, RSH = completely worthless, waive immediately; whereas Glass Martinek = extremely valuable, re-sign immediately.
I’m exaggerating (only slightly), but you get the point.
no one said RSH is completely worthless
He was waived. That’s the bottom line. We’re only fans, theres nothign we can do about it. The only thing we said is it’s not a “huge” loss. I’m not saying I would have waived him in first place, but he was.
by Meet Me at the Lighthouse on Feb 28, 2011 3:35 PM EST up reply actions
Everyone feels the world is against them.
Half the people who rip RSH preface it with, “I know this isn’t the popular sentiment but…”
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The Isles didn't get rid of RSH
The exposed him on the waivers and somebody claimed him. Its a relative statement on where Isles thought RSH fit in here. They tried to trade him to no avail and didn’t protect him. But they did give him minutes right up to then
I like RSH too
But we got him off waivers in the 1st place, and thats where he went back to. Im sorry to see him go but its not like we lost something, ultimately we are no different than we would have been if he had never been put on waivers in the 1st place. but we are still up a Grabner.
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by TheMetalChick on Feb 28, 2011 4:40 PM EST up reply actions
I don't see it
Was there a more invisible guy on the top 3 lines than RSH? If he couldn’t get set up at that one shot in the faceoff circle, his presence was never felt.
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Tom Reagan: Old war wound. Acts up around morons.
by IslesFanInNJ on Feb 28, 2011 3:21 PM EST up reply actions
They were all invisible
at times
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but RSH was invisible most of the time
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by Jtpdolphins2009 on Feb 28, 2011 3:23 PM EST up reply actions
You keep saying that
but I will keep saying that he (and I would have to confirm) that he has a higher points per 60 than FN, KO, JB, BC, PAP, TH, JJ, JC, MH, MMA, DW, and probably a few others…I would like to know how many games he helped us win via the shootout too.
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RSH
Unfortunately for Schremp there are 2 ends of the ice. He could barely crack the line up of the Isles this year, and the Oilers the last 2+ years.. Waived by both. Not exactly NHL power houses. Trend
In fairness to Schremp
MacTavish absolutely hated him and never gave him a chance. Another reason I’m not big on MacTavish coaching the Isles, his record with prospects isn’t promising
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exactly what my point is
last I checked those guys Keith mentioned are going to be on the Islanders the rest of this year and next year.
Schremp was not better than any of them in terms of impact on the ice regardless of what the stats say
Like I said before, I was getting tired of watching him come in with speed; where other players like Grabner would take it to the net and get a chance; he dangles too much and takes away a scoring chance.
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by Jtpdolphins2009 on Feb 28, 2011 4:24 PM EST up reply actions
I like when people say things like “regardless of what the stats say” — it’s a nice signal that I can stop paying attention to them. :)
by AP77 on Feb 28, 2011 4:25 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
and yet you replied
figure that one out lol
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by Jtpdolphins2009 on Feb 28, 2011 4:26 PM EST up reply actions
I just want to see
How many people start hating Comeau now. I expect his scapewagon to jump ten-fold
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by Keith Quinn on Feb 28, 2011 4:27 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
"Scapewagon!"
Excellent term. Maybe this is why they need DP to hang on — he deflects the scapewagon heat.
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lol
we could create a new spot on the team for DP
he plays 5 times a year and the other 77 we use him as the scapegoat lol
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by Jtpdolphins2009 on Feb 28, 2011 4:30 PM EST up reply actions
His scapegoats per 60 is off the charts
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deceptive
He’s sheltered by other scapegoats. We need to know who exactly is driving that line!
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winner
That has to go in the LHH Glossary. +1 to the Mighty Quinn.
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Im not saying I'm happy we lost Schremp for nothing..
Could’ve let him hang around and have a full camp as someone mentioned above… but losing him is not the worst thing, and I cant agree that he’s a better hockey player than KO, FN, JB, PAP and JJ… c’mon
I'm not saying I'm unhappy losing him either
If Dibo comes in and looks good, great. I just felt like it was too soon. Some players are afforded time to work out their inconsistencies…others not so much. He has less than 100 NHL games played. I’m not sure he’s better than any of the above, but I’m not 100% sure he’s not either. (Probably about 70-75% though!)
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Understood, and mostly agree
He might develop into a better player… but in 96 NHL games he’s 22. This season, with limited ice time against other 3rd lines, he’s -19. His AHL +/ is even worse. Can’t be too upset.
hm
As measured by GVT, so far this year, Martinek and Schremp have been of exactly the same value…. 2.7 goals over a replacement player.
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damning with faint praise
I think when healthy Martinek still brings value and could provide depth at a weak position for the right price on a one year deal.
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not meant as praise or damning
Just the facts, man.
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I pick up what you're putting down
Just my translation.
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martinek is a vet among a very young d, as has expressed interest in resigning here
I don’t get how you think. If snow could have gotten a 2nd rounder he would have. He said he wanted a 2nd for him and he probably didn’t get a good enough offer, so really no reason to trade him
by Meet Me at the Lighthouse on Feb 28, 2011 3:12 PM EST up reply actions
and Schremp is the 9th best forward we have
there is no way comparing Schremp to Martinek is in anyway fair
but remember, AP doesn’t like me anyway lol
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by Jtpdolphins2009 on Feb 28, 2011 3:13 PM EST up reply actions
it's all in good fun
…as long as we don’t take it seriously. We all have bees in our bonnet about certain guys, for good and ill.
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With Martinek I like to think of the Glass being half full.
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by Hockey1919 on Feb 28, 2011 3:13 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Glad to see Z is still an Isle.
You only figure 8 once.
by The Black Map on Feb 28, 2011 3:09 PM EST up reply actions
McKenzie
says he’s hearing reports Arnott waived NTC for Washington…not confirmed
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Now being reported
he went to Wash/Steckel to NJD
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????
Arnott’s at 2.7 GVT, Steckel 0.8 so far this year. He comes off the books at the end of the year, at least.
Probably a good deal for both. Steckel’s at 1.1 mil for the next two years, it’s one less thing the Devils can worry about. But is he going to displace Clarkson?
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Doubtful anyone
relaces anyone with the way their cap is right now…
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Fredrick Modin to the Flames
Good move for the Flames. Atl continues to dump salary
by Meet Me at the Lighthouse on Feb 28, 2011 3:18 PM EST reply actions
Higgins goes to the Canucks
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by Jtpdolphins2009 on Feb 28, 2011 3:18 PM EST reply actions
Higgins to Van
for 3rd and Evan Oberg
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!!!!
I may take back everything about Dale Tallon. Turning Higgins into anything is pretty impressive.
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Definititely
surprised Van went for Higgins since they were looking for jam and truculence and the like.
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they also picked up Lapierre
So there’s your truculance.
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Wheres my jam?
I ordered this truculence with jam!
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Your jam is stuck to the sandpaper
We have some grit available if you’d like that instead?
Or you can go down the street to Stick-to-it-iveness R Us?
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I find that grease is a great substitute for jam
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How does
Fire interact with grease? Or sandpaper for that matter?
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by Keith Quinn on Feb 28, 2011 3:57 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
You use the friction from sandpaper to ignite the fire and grease to keep it going.
Without enough jam you’re left with toast.
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trying to butter him up, eh?
Somehow he’s not my cup of tea, but others have more of a stomach for him.
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You guys like Oberg?
He’ll probably be on the waiver wire within a month.
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by Jtpdolphins2009 on Feb 28, 2011 3:21 PM EST reply actions
Already done
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Confirmed by team site
and Fornabrio
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And so the tryouts for next season begin haha
by Meet Me at the Lighthouse on Feb 28, 2011 3:23 PM EST up reply actions
as it should be
Got twenty games to try to figure out what’s useful and what’s surplus moving forward. The Isles will need to part ways with a couple more guys and pick which guys to build around now. May as well do it right now. Guaranteed that other teams will scout the Isles to figure it out for themselves. I expect that this will be a busy offseason, and Garth might move a few guys and/or picks as the draft gets close.
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It amazes me how so many forget that
it took the Pens and Hawks 6 years to win a cup after they drafted their 1st #1 pick, other teams like LA and STL all tried the rebuild and while LA is getting closer they have been building for 5 years now with no playoff series wins. St Louis built from the ground up and then fell flat after the one playoff appearance, now they are sellers again.
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by Jtpdolphins2009 on Feb 28, 2011 3:29 PM EST up reply actions
Yup might as well figure that out now.
I hope it’s a busy offseason, if we really want to contend for the playoffs next year. And i’m not saying we have to, a couple of vets will have to be added.
by Meet Me at the Lighthouse on Feb 28, 2011 3:33 PM EST up reply actions
Wow
There was more to this comment, but essentially I want multiple “D-P”-like chants to confuse everyone.
Also: DiBi has Sim-like qualities. Perhaps what that line needs? More chemistry/role issue than talent issue? Hope he can be some sort of NHLer anyway.
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hopefully has more Sim-like qualities than Sim had
As in, can draw penalties + bang + pot a few cheapos – taking dumb o-zone penalties.
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LOL
I knew I was opening up a can of worms there.
Yes, hopefully when he crashes the net he knows where to stop — and hasn’t been watching Cooke.
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So, which rentals did not move today?
We’ve got Martinek and Konopka here, MacArthur in TO…I know there are more I’m just blind at the moment…
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Hemsky's not a rental though
Edmonton just had him for sale for some reason.
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Maximize the value by having a year left
They could move him next season as a rental, but I think they thought he would bring more this season. Again, we don’t even know if the Oilers were looking to move him or it it were internet logic at work saying he is an Oiler, they are in firesale mode, he is worth something and therefore he is for sale.
Sarcasm is my permanent font.
How do you think Hemsky reacted when he heard Penner was out the door?
=P
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I thought this organization was FIFO!
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Maxim Laperire or however you spell his name
goes to VAN
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by Jtpdolphins2009 on Feb 28, 2011 3:24 PM EST reply actions
?!
Anaheim must’ve discovered that Lapierre is dirty, but does not fight.
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Insert token Penguins joke [here]
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by IslesFanInNJ on Feb 28, 2011 3:28 PM EST up reply actions
Awww dammit!
RT @RobSchremp Packing is stressful..moooooommmm #NHLTrade
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by Keith Quinn on Feb 28, 2011 3:38 PM EST via mobile reply actions
The biggest rental not traded would probably be
Richards or Vokoun. Florida traded just about everyone else. Why not trade Vokoun?
cause his salary is around 5 million dollars. nd there was no market
by Meet Me at the Lighthouse on Feb 28, 2011 3:43 PM EST up reply actions
Which speaks volumes
For Rollie – Wishart trade
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Schremp played 45 games for the Isles and had an on ice time of 15 minutes per game
He scored 22 points in those games
it calculates that he scored .49 per 60 minutes of ice time which was 11th on the team
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by Jtpdolphins2009 on Feb 28, 2011 3:47 PM EST reply actions
Even strength though
If you look at EV/60 (which is more fair, since PP time warps the total numbers) he and Frans were tied for sixth at 1.67.
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ok I noticed that
but games played really plays into that
most of the guys in the top 5 have played all the games for the Isles or very close. Also Okposo has only played 19, heck Weight is halfway up the list and has only played like 7 games for us.
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by Jtpdolphins2009 on Feb 28, 2011 3:51 PM EST up reply actions
It’s hardly a be-all, end-all, but it’s a nice quick glimpse that controls for games played and excludes the opportunity provided by PP time. You still want guys who are fairly similar in games played though.
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true
but based on that stat Schremp is better and more productive than Crosby this season
Does anyone on this site think Schremp is better?
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by Jtpdolphins2009 on Feb 28, 2011 4:11 PM EST up reply actions
No, but that stat has Crosby producing 2.5 times the RSH rate
Crosby: 3.98.
Schremp: 1.67.
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ok fair enough
but lets be honest, was Schremp better than Moulson, JT, Neilsen, and Okposo?
I would say no
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by Jtpdolphins2009 on Feb 28, 2011 4:20 PM EST up reply actions
Certainly, but I'm not arguing that
(Truthfully, I don’t think anyone is. AP77 is having some fun, but I doubt he thinks we let Ziggy Palffy walk here.) Just looking for other contextual clues. Players who make glaring errors stick out more, just as players who do amazing things stick out more, and Schremp happens to be both.
My only stance on Schremp is that he has clear talent and was worth a look to see if the rest of his game could round out. It’s somewhat debatable whether he got enough of a shot to decide that. I think the injuries last year and this year hurt his chances, and the Wing Experiment, Part II didn’t last long, and the chemistry on the Schremp-Bailey-Comeau combo was all out of sorts.
I do give Capuano the benefit of the doubt on this, in terms of him scratching him and trying to get him to play as requested. The timing is odd; I guess they’d made their call on RSH and wanted to move on to evaluating DiBi and others.
In any case, I’m not really broken up about it. He came on waivers, he left on waivers, he filled a depth need while here. I usually bet the truth is somewhere between the extremes.
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by Dominik on Feb 28, 2011 4:26 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
no Keith said he had a higher points per 60 than all of those players
that was before we actually looked at the stats though
no sport is based just on stats or else the Sharks would have won a cup by now and the Patriots would have won the Super Bowl this year
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by Jtpdolphins2009 on Feb 28, 2011 4:29 PM EST up reply actions
This really should be my last post; got to some *something* today
No, he said:
higher points per 60 than FN, KO, JB, BC, PAP, TH, JJ, JC, MH, MMA, DW
And he was mostly right, except that KO who has a .02 higher points per 60 and through some clerical error BC is higher as well. RSH beats out the rest of those guys.
Not bad
for not even having looked at all. Poor form on my part, but I was at work!
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not based on stats
Described by stats. Stats measure actual events. It’s then up to the observer to decide which stats are most vital, and which aren’t telling you what you need to know.
Hockey is the hardest to describe in stats because the events are relatively few and the action is far more fluid that the other sports. It takes a long time to gather meaningful data, and to tease out the effets of an individual
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That was my original point
Some who are trying to defend Schremp are using those stats, but I want players that will make impact on the ice and Schremp was at the bottom of my list
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by Jtpdolphins2009 on Feb 28, 2011 4:35 PM EST up reply actions
Wonder what it was
Before demotion? Or what it could have been with wings who were not JJ, Sim, Bailey, Comeau.
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by Keith Quinn on Feb 28, 2011 3:54 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
are you sure?
.49 is just 22 ÷ 45 (.488888888etc.)
PP/60 would be pts*60/total MP…
(22*60) ÷ (45*15) or
1320 ÷ 675 or
1.96
I’m can’t lay my finger on the bookmark which tells the relative levels you could expect from players of relative strengths and roles. I’m pretty sure that 2 pp/60 is a decent second-line contribution. But PP and PK time affect that sort of thing as well. The numbers can get complicated trying to figure his true value.
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I wouldn't know about that
I’ve never bought an RSH or a CSN album.
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yea I am sure RSH is better than Crosby lol
either way he is gone, nothing we can do about it now
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by Jtpdolphins2009 on Feb 28, 2011 3:58 PM EST up reply actions
And
RSH has him on concussion GVT 1<0. I knew Snow effed that up! Fire Garth Snow!
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by Keith Quinn on Feb 28, 2011 3:59 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Trading Konopka or Martinek for a 2nd rounder would have been a no-brainer.
That Garth didn’t is fine with me. Keep your assets and don’t sell for less than they’re work. That being said, his relative lack of action is going to cause IPB to friggin explode. =)
I have to think the 2nd just wasn't available
Those rumors of Konopka for a 2nd earlier had my jaw dropping. Maybe Garth priced himself out, but that’s alright. Once you get down to 3rd- and 4th-round country I start to value the next 20 games over any draft fodder.
The next interesting question to me is whether either guy gets re-signed.
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Yeah, a 2nd for either would have been a bad move for an opposing GM.
I was just wondering if either would get resigned, and if so, when. They way this team goes through injuries, I’d resign both tmw. Solid players, I have no real qualms with either of them.
I don’t think either was worth a second, but both are probably worth more than a 3rd to the Isles (probably not to other teams….)
No Goaltenders moved via trade today
So when the deal was originally made I was wondering if Garth sold too early on Roloson, but it looks like there wasn’t the market we may have thought there would be at the trade deadline. He got fair value in getting Wishart and may have gotten shut-out if he didn’t move sooner.
The same could be said for defensmen and the Wiz trade. Campoli was the closest comparable and in hindsight Snow got about as well as I would have expected for the assets he dealt.
Martinek and Konopk looked like they didn’t move either so he wasn’t giving away players with trade value for nothing either and Garth seems to have valued the expiring contracts and the need to clear out contracts for the summer as much as anything.
I think all in all a good stable day for the Islanders, except for those that will miss RSH, I think he jinxed himself swtiching off of the 13, but that’s just me.
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Don't post much but here's my two cents
Just a little what if game here that involves the Detroit Red Wings, Nabokov and Roloson… What if the Isle’s had kept Rollie, still made the claim on Nabokov, and then traded Roloson to the Wings? Not much to the thought, but an interesting mental exercise in my opinion.
by IDCWhoYouLike on Feb 28, 2011 4:06 PM EST up reply actions
Couldn't happen
Wings don’t have that much room under the cap. Thats why Nabby was signed so cheap
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Feel like I'm double posting today with my late responses
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No worries, I’d rather have lots of right answers then a lot of wrong answers
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Didn't think Rollie would fit under the cap unless they gave up a significant roster player.
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Somewhat agree
Wish Garth would’ve gotten a conditional kicker, like a 6th if TB gets to Finals (w/ Rolo starting in X% of games) and a 5th if they take the hardware. Plus Ty of course.
Would have been a nice sweetner a little extra something
depends on whether TB actually has those picks to play with.
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I wondered when Garth started dealing in December
If he was reacting to being left holding the Biron, and the Bergenheim, last deadline day. Those were less tasty treats, but still. Seemed like he wanted to get the jump on it once he got a serious offer.
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Well
this all these non-deals today, risking getting fired by dicking around on twitter seems a little silly in retrospect…will catch up with everyone later!
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You just need to go back to consuming Rob Schremp Barley.
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we've moved on
Hoppy Dubbelbock is the new brew.
Too bad we couldn’t grab up a (Stephen) Weissbrau while we were at it. Darn it, Tallon, quit selling to everyone else!
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Better not steal my idea of having a Hoppy nameplate on my Isles Jersey
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never
I’m still on the fence with the “Area 51” nameplate. Would it be a Jersey Foul? I think a t-shirt with the Backhand of Judgment on the front and the Area 51 nameplate on the back would be perfect.
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T-shirt would be the real deal.
But in reverse, small area 51 on the right chest and a bachand of judgement on the back – if you can read this the backhand of judgement has found you wanting.
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interesting thought
I was thinking of the t-shirt looking like a jersey, with AREA over a big block 51, and the picture in front. But I’m no t-shirt designer. (My dad was, but he’s not here to give suggestions…)
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Real Super Hops
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Should we do a poll on t-shirt concepts?
I am totally unprepared on how to handle the best way forward.
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One good piece of news that we can all agree on
Rangers DID NOT get Brad richards!!
James T Paulson
by Jtpdolphins2009 on Feb 28, 2011 4:12 PM EST reply actions
Hoping they would make a Satheresque deal
Something along the lines of Del Zotto, Ansimov, a first round pick and Prust to get them no where now and kill the future.
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unfortunately even a stupid cat
learns that jumping at the cage to catch the bird usually is unproductive
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by Jtpdolphins2009 on Feb 28, 2011 4:21 PM EST up reply actions
Did anyone see
That Jessiman made his debut finally?
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good for him
And it’s good to see that CBS managed to replace Sheen on such short notice.
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People can keep saying it
But I will keep denying it. I think Puck Daddy said it best, with “Panthers are ruining your Hugh Jessiman jokes.”
On a human level though, good for him.
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by Dominik on Feb 28, 2011 4:58 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I think if Snow made any mistakes it was not picking up Conklin off of waivers
or maybe a defensmen
James T Paulson
by Jtpdolphins2009 on Feb 28, 2011 4:17 PM EST reply actions
Agree on Conklin, I was hoping they had waived Lawson to pick up Conklin.
Could it be Snow put in a claim for Curtis McElhinney and Ottawa got dibs?
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I hope not
that guys been brutal in Anaheim and Calgary.
I’d almost prefer LeClaire to McElhinney. At least when Pascal is healthy he can stop the puck
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another positive
LeClaire was played by Samuel Jackson in that Shyamalan flick a few years ago. What other goalie can say that!
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hey Mike
check your mailbox real quick, short message I swear.
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cool got it
check for reply.
Heh, we’re emailing and then posting about it to each other. When did I start re-attending high school? =D
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Somebody needs to make a "Jerseys of McElhinney 2010-11" coffee mug
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Marty Biron out with broken collar bone, Rangers miss waiver opportunity.
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Talk about
Awful timing
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by Keith Quinn on Feb 28, 2011 4:57 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
An Islanders virus has crossed the river!
Well that’s crazy crappy luck. I guess good thing they’ve been giving Lundqvist more days off. (…they have been giving him more days off, haven’t they?)
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a handful more
Biron has 17 games, the Queen has 50 right now. Last 4 years he was at 70+ games played
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Also
Drury probably done for season…although, I’m sure plenty of Rags fans would be happy to have him out of the lineup.
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by Keith Quinn on Feb 28, 2011 5:43 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Unbelievable.
This could not POSSIBLY have been times in a worse way. They could have had Ty Conklin as their backup if he had broke his clavicle just a few hours earlier.
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by TheMetalChick on Feb 28, 2011 7:34 PM EST up reply actions
So with the deadline passed, I want to look at what we may look like next year
Snows’ to do list in my mind:
1) Re-sign Grabner, Z, Bailey and Okposo; I think Comeau has another year left so we do not need to sign him yet
2) I would seriously consider extending Neilsen for a few years.
3) Go out and get a proven playmaker to play on this team and a shut down defensmen.
4) If Nino is ready, I play him on the 1st line unless you can find a special player in the offseason.
Line 1: Moulson – JT – Nino/UFA forward
Line 2: Okposo – Neilsen – Grabner
Line 3: Comeau – Bailey – Parentau
Line 4: Martin – Z – Haley
D1: Streit – AMac
D2: Hamonic – De Haan/UFA Defensmen
D3: Jurcina – Eaton
Goalies: Poulin – DP – Koskinen
If Nino is ready AND we find the impact player, I can see them having Comeau or Parentau playing in Bport.
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by Jtpdolphins2009 on Feb 28, 2011 5:05 PM EST reply actions
The planning begins...or resumes
I think Nino has to work his way up — whatever line he earns, he gets. But sure, if he wows and bumps P.A., fine by me.
On defense my only big quibble is de Haan. I just wouldn’t count on him so think someone definitely needs to be signed, and then injuries or sudden de Haan greatness needs to bump a vet off.
In goal, I don’t trust Poulin to be NHL-ready post-surgery, so I want more insurance there, whether in Montoya (TBD) or another form.
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I forgot about Montoya lmao
my bad, and yea we have enough dmen that have played for us that could be plugged in if De Haan isn’t ready
If we do get that 1st line type guy in the offseason, I like playing Nino on the 3rd line and having PA or Comeau play in Bport
sooner or later we have to have enough depth where 1 or 2 of the guys on the team this year, even if they are part of “The Core” will be playing in Bport
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by Jtpdolphins2009 on Feb 28, 2011 5:16 PM EST up reply actions
we didn't re-sign PA
For him to play in BP. If they haven’t shaken up the 1st line by this point, they aren’t going to next year
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then have PA play on the 3rd line, but if Nino is ready
someone has to go down if we pick up a FA
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by Jtpdolphins2009 on Feb 28, 2011 5:25 PM EST up reply actions
I hope they keep Montoya. I like him.
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by TheMetalChick on Feb 28, 2011 7:35 PM EST up reply actions
23-man roster to start the season
Hunter and Mottau already take up roster spots 22 and 23, but I can see them waiving Mottau if the D is healthy.
Line 1: Moulson – JT – PAP
Line 2: Okposo – Neilsen – Grabner
Line 3: Comeau – Bailey – Nino
Line 4: Martin – Z/UFA – Hunter
Colliton/Haley with an UFA in place of one of these two
D1: Streit – Eaton
D2: Hamonic – AMAC
D3: Jurcina – Mottau
D7: Hillen/UFA Defensmen
DP-UFA Goaltender (Poulin and Koskinen are always available from BPT)
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Montoya is an option, but to this point I'm not a huge fan.
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What are you noticing about him thats turning you off?
At first I was not a fan either. I attributed his great stats to playing behind a hot team. He has looked like a #1 for since maybe his second game with us. Obviously theres no rush to sign him, lets see how the rest of his season pans out.
Isn't comeau an RFA also?
He needs to be resigned. And isn’t there some kind of rule on extensions for players? Don’t they have to be “after (some type of date)” on their walk year?
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by Keith Quinn on Feb 28, 2011 5:49 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
yes he is RFA this year
Weight, Konopka, Gillies and Martinek are our UFAs
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by Jtpdolphins2009 on Feb 28, 2011 5:50 PM EST up reply actions
Extension dates
Veterans on one-year deals cannot sign extensions until after January 1. (Moulson, Parenteau, Jurcina are examples who re-signed after that date.)
ELC RFA’s technically can’t re-sign until the summer, although teams can “agree to terms” before then, it seems.
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RFAs this summer are
Bailey, Okposo, Grabner, Comeau, Haley, Wishart, Gervais, Hillen and Montoya
Tavares, Martin, Parentau, Neilsen, Dibo, Eaton, Jurcina, Katic, Mottau are signed through next year
Hunter, Streit, Hamonic and Poulin are signed for the next 2 years
Moulson and AMAC for the next 3 years
DP signed through 3015
James T Paulson
by Jtpdolphins2009 on Feb 28, 2011 5:57 PM EST up reply actions
Not sure if they'd do this
But I’d like to see JT move to the wing, and Bailey move up to the first line. Then maybe give Martin a shot on the 3rd line at center (because he is responsible in the D zone). Bailey has shown his talent in the AHL, but has been playing with Comeau (I dislike him personally) and Schremp/Joensuu on the island.
I agree De Haan and Nino probably need some time in BP. Montoya and DP share.
can't send Nino to BP
Too young still
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No, just saying it’s either the NHL or back to Portland.
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Interesting
But I’m not sure I understand why you would put it between those two… I can’t see him having another year in Portland after spending some time on the island already this season.
It's in the rules
Players drafted from the CHL which consists of the OHL, WHL, and QMJHL can’t go to the AHL for 2 seasons after they’re drafted. So Nino isn’t eligible for the AHL until the 2012-2013 season. He either stays in Portland next year or comes to the Islanders full time.
by nyislanders93 on Feb 28, 2011 5:39 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
not the Isles' choice
The CBA dictates it. Anyone not yet 20 whose rights are held by a major junior team MUST play either with that team or with the NHL. Period.
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by mikb on Feb 28, 2011 5:39 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Oh alright
Thanks for clarifying that. In that case I would think NHL for Nino, but I would prefer Portland.
Martin
Martin doesn’t play center. Were you thinking of someone else? (I don’t think he’s adept in the D zone, either, although that could change.)
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No
I was just thinking Martin could possibly switch to center. I know he hasn’t gone up against top lines, so his D zone is a question mark, but I was just thinking out loud…
I more want to see Bailey have a shot on the top 2 lines. I feel like he’s trapped between mediocre talent.
...
And I want to see JT moved to wing. That’s why I looked at Martin for a possible 3rd line center. (I wasn’t suggesting JT/Nielsen drop from the first line)
Martin is terrible enough on wing, and now you want to give him far more defensive responsibilities? No thanks.
Bailey has no place on the top line. JT has substantially improved in key areas of playing center. It would be pretty dumb to move him in my view. You’ve got to toss out most of the +/- stats for this year on this team — they’re uniformly awful and (hopefully) not predictive.
by AP77 on Feb 28, 2011 6:30 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Why so negative AP?
1. Not all of their +/- are awful. In fact our whole second line is plus. But guess whose is the worst? JT and the first line in general. Maybe this isn’t his fault, but he’s obviously not GREAT defensively. Scouts doubted he could play center in the NHL and they were right.
2. You have no idea if Bailey can play on the top line. No one does. But he did a pretty good job doing so in BP, and has been forced to play with the likes of comeau and RSH in the NHL. And oh yea, he’s 21 years old.
3. I was just throwing Martin’s name in there to fill in as 3rd line center. He’s also 21, and averages less than 10 minutes of ice time, so he has lots to learn. It was just a name. Could have said any wing, or Ullstrom if you’d prefer.
I think it's still an open question
But JT’s made big enough strides in just his second year to make me absolutely want to leave him be.
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understood
I really don’t hate JT at center. The idea was more about giving Bailey a chance to play with better talent on the top 2 lines. Right now I would move PAP off the top two before anyone else. Even if it meant Bailey going to RW with the 1st line, no complaints here. I just like Bailey’s overall game at center more than JT, that’s all.
Last season I was all for JT on the wing to ease his transition
but this season he has made tremendous strides and I think it would set him back to move him to the wing at this point. If Weight would have remained healthy last year he could have been the center as JT learned the pro game, but that ship has sailed.
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Anybody excited for the draft?
Landeskog would be a perfect winger to protect JT. He’s big, tough, fast, got a great shot, good hands. The guy is tearing it up in the OHL too. 44 games with 32 goals and 28 assists for 60 points. +31 also.
Larsson is also an elite talent.
have to see where we draft first
you think it is at all a possibility we package our 1st and 1 of those 2nds to move up?
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by Jtpdolphins2009 on Feb 28, 2011 5:33 PM EST up reply actions
Sounds reasonable
As of now it doesn’t look like we’ll draft out of the top 5. That said, there’s a good chance one of Larsson or Landeskog will be there. Packaging a 2nd rounder would be smart especially because we shouldn’t draft another center and Nugent-Hopkins and Couturier are both centers.
by nyislanders93 on Feb 28, 2011 5:37 PM EST up reply actions
Personally
I don’t like JT at center. He’s still young, so he can improve his D zone, but I like my first line center to be closer to even in +/-. So, I wouldn’t mind if we ended up drafting one of those 2 centers.
Very excited for the draft.
Larsson and Landeskog look to be elite, but Couturier and Nugent-Hopkins were fun to watch at the World Juniors. It will be tough to move up if we’re out of the top 4.
I would prefer Landeskog
we can patch up the D I think
Landeskog and what he brings, gives us a potent 1st line and makes us much better
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by Jtpdolphins2009 on Feb 28, 2011 5:38 PM EST up reply actions
to add to that
decent FA D have never been a problem for us to get
We have gotten Streit, Sutton, Jurcina and Eaton in offseasons. I think we can do that again this offseason if needed.
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by Jtpdolphins2009 on Feb 28, 2011 5:39 PM EST up reply actions
And all of those guys suck except for Streit.
They’ll take Larrson if he’s available to them, and that’s probably the right move. I’d be more excited about Landeskog though.
come on...
Sutton didn’t completely suck, and I think Jurcina (if this groin injury is just a tweak) is going to prove his worth this year and next, especially when Streit returns. As for Eaton, I barely remember he ever was an Islander.
Agree with Bri
General statements like “all those guys suck” are useless. The Isles are like 20-13-2 with Jurcina in the lineup (not sure on the exact numbers but I know they’re above .500). He’s just injury prone, which sucks, but he’s not a bad second unit defenseman. Eaton’s from Delaware, which sucks, but he’s a pretty good defensive d-man.
It cracks me up
Had Jurcina and Eaton been picked up by other teams, Isles fans would have been pissed that we didn’t get them lol
Again until we start competing for the playoffs consistently, this franchise will be criticized for every move, regardless of how ridiculous the criticism may be.
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by Jtpdolphins2009 on Feb 28, 2011 7:40 PM EST up reply actions
Jurcina and Eaton are four and five depth defenseman
Larsson should be a top pair, so I don’t think it is a fair comparison. It would be like saying the Islanders picked up Schremp/Moulson/Grabner for nothing so they wouldn’t need to draft Tavares because you can always find offense.
I’ve watched Jurcina play for quite a while being in the DC area and another year with the Islanders. He is not the reason for the record. He is very good in his own end when the play begins there and good in the offensive zone when he is shooting, but he has a lot of trouble in the transition game. I find he’s at his best when the Islanders are down 5-3 since he is basically stationary in the zone and he doesn’t have to commit to a hit and can just use his wing span.
Eaton’s worth will improve if playing with a guy like Streit, putting him in the top pairing doesn’t make him a top two defensemen either. He’s a bit slow and not the greatest puck mover, but he thinks D first, so Streit can handle the other duty.
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Anybody excited for the draft?
Nope. I dont give a flying shit about it right now. Screw it. I want the Isles to win as many games as possible, period. I care about the kid the Isles ALREADY have. Now if you talk to me after the end of the season, thats a different story.
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by TheMetalChick on Feb 28, 2011 7:42 PM EST up reply actions
Proud of management for standing Patt.
Sounds like Garth could have pulled the trigger on Radek and Zenon if he wanted…for once I’m glad he didnt.
by backstop87 on Feb 28, 2011 5:34 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
ARRRRRGGGHHHHHHHHHH!
Martinek had to be worth SOMETHING! The last few years guys like Satan, Fedetenko, etc. were allowed to walk with NOTHING in return. Even a 5 or 6 beats nothing. Martinek had to have been worth a 4th or 4th/5th combo or something.
I am glad the rumors and reports were incorrect and Konopka is staying. He would not have drawn the high-enough pick needed to make it worth what we’d have lost in the intangibe department.
But how does Snow justify no moves (except losing Schremp on waivers, which I am okay with although wish someone would have given something for) for a non-playoff team, especially with an extra defenseman available and no real room for him next year anyway.
Not a happy day.
Martinek is worth more then a late round pick
just so he can help bring along guys like Katic/Wishart and any other young dmen they might call up. Katic/Hillen/Wishart/Gervais to finish out the year would have been ugly.
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by Mark D on Feb 28, 2011 5:54 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Damn right.
I am glad Garth was not foolish enough to throw away Radek Martinek for some stupid 4th round pick or something like that.
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by TheMetalChick on Feb 28, 2011 7:36 PM EST up reply actions
how does Snow justify no moves
{looks at IR list and man games lost to injury}
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by TheMetalChick on Feb 28, 2011 7:38 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
It is fun playing armchair GM and alll
we all love to say this is what Snow should do, but in the end he knows a heck of a lot more about being a GM than any of us every will.
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by Jtpdolphins2009 on Feb 28, 2011 7:57 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
+1
Doing something vs. doing the right thing? If there’s nothing good to do, better to do nothing. It’s not like he’s costing them a playoff berth.
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I said this before draft day, giving away players for nothing is a bad precedent
If teams know that you are the one stop shopping for giving players away you undervalue your players and set yourself up for bad deals from here on out. Martinek has a value to the Islanders and he shouldn’t be moved for anything less than that value.
I was fine with moving Konopka and Martinkek and wish they could have gotten a 2nd rounder for either of them, but I wasn’t going to railroad them out of town to improve another team at the Islanders expense.
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by Hockey1919 on Mar 1, 2011 9:15 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
From the Copper and Blue
Who said he’s struggling?
Steve Tambellini in response to the Edmonton Sun’s Terry Jones asking a question about Colten Teubert’s struggles in the AHL. Jones then informed Tambellini that Teubert has been a healthy scratch for the Manchester Monarchs. Tambellini was stunned.
http://www.coppernblue.com/2011/2/28/2021331/who-said-hes-struggling
Fantastic!
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I laughed
At this.
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So sad..This from Derek Zona
The Kings currently have the two best Oilers’ left wings since the dynasty and the Oilers have:
Robert Nilsson, Ryan O’Marra, Colten Teubert, two first-round picks and a third-round pick.
The Kings are a cup contender. The Oilers are still selling hope.
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by Derek Zona on Feb 28, 2011 3:58 PM EST reply actions 3 recs
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That whole piece is hilarious (in a gawking at peril kind of way)
I hope everyone checks Copper & Blue on days like this.
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Can you imagine
is Snow said some shit like that? We’d probably have to close this site down for a week…if they didn’t just fold up the team.
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And this from Botta
KeithLHHockey Keith Quinn
I find this hard to believe RT @ChrisBottaNHL Stan Bowman on Chris Campoli: “His style of play is the way we want to play.”
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Lackluster and Uninspired?
Sounds like Chicago
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Stan Bowman on Chris Campoli: "His style of play is the way we want to play."
lol.
Oh Campy… third teams a charm?
(You hope!)
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by TheMetalChick on Feb 28, 2011 7:38 PM EST up reply actions
Name him Captiain!
Should get them a 5th rounder if the trend continues.
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I cannot wait to watch Campoli as a Blackhawk
And I say that in the most mean-spirited way possible.
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I hope
they draw the Ducks in the first round…get himself a lesson in jamulencegrease.
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His addition
Makes me breathe easier for a matchup with them. I think he’s going to get torched out west
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Since he gets torched out east
I would assume so! He’ll probably score a goal or two and thing he’s done his part though.
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Yahoo did grades for the 30 NHL teams at the deadline
Islanders got a C-…………C-, was the lowest grade given out. A couple teams got it. Why do the Islanders deserve a C-, cause he didn’t trade two guys that had more value to us than a 3rd or 4th or 5th round pick. Stupid Yahoo.
by Meet Me at the Lighthouse on Feb 28, 2011 8:51 PM EST reply actions
Because Yahoo is dumb.
And they dont even consider the fact that the Isles did their moving earlier (Wiz, Rollie)
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by TheMetalChick on Feb 28, 2011 10:42 PM EST up reply actions
Very Very Dumb.
The explanation makes little to no sense. Not a suprise that a media outlet has no idea whats going on with the Islanders
by Meet Me at the Lighthouse on Feb 28, 2011 11:06 PM EST up reply actions
prolly Colin Campbell wrote it
He swore to suspend any writer two games for speaking well of the Isles for the rest of the season.
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May 24, 1980: Tonelli to Nystrom. At long last, the steady build of the New York Islanders from expansion doormat to surprise semifinalist to annual contender reaches the promised land: Buoyed by a late season trade for Butch Goring that gave the team the depth up the middle GM Bill Torrey had been seeking, the Islanders knock off the Philadelphia Flyers in six games.
The victory justified the faith in coach Al Arbour who guided them from their second season to their first Stanley Cup seven seasons later. The Islanders would not be the first expansion team to win the Stanley Cup, but they would be the only one capable of a dynasty.
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May 21, 1981: This time it was much easier. After falling to "only" 91 points in the 1979-80 season, the Islanders returned to their division title tradition, piling up 110 points -- a whole 13 points over second-place Philadelphia.
Between the quarterfinals (where they beat the upstart Oilers in six games) and the finals, the Islanders reeled off eight consecutive wins -- with a four-game sweep of archrival Rangers in between. As they defeated the Minnesota North Stars in five games for their second Cup, their goal difference in the final was a combined +10.
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May 16, 1982: Another year, another landslide title. The Islanders won the Patrick Division by a whopping 26 points over the second-place Rangers, and were seven points clear of their nearest competition for the President's Trophy, the still-not-quite-ripe Edmonton Oilers.
A first-round scare against the Pittsburgh Penguins turned in the Isles' favor thanks to John Tonelli's heroics, and a true dynasty was on its way: Past the Rangers in six games, then an eight-game sweep of the Quebec Nordiques and Vancouver Canucks to run away with the Stanley Cup.
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May 17, 1983: Not so fast, whipper-snappers. The Edmonton Oilers' steadily rising challenge for league supremacy took them all the way to the finals for the first time, where the New York Islanders summarily dispatched them in a four-game sweep. For the Islanders, the Dynasty was secured. For the Oilers, it was a powerful lesson in where talent ends and the demands of playoff hockey begin.
Four years, four Cups, 16 consecutive playoff series wins (a record that would grow to 19 until the rematch with the Oilers the following year). Mike Bossy scored 60 goals yet again, and Wayne Gretzky became acquainted with Billy Smith's crease.
