Bridgeport and Prospect Roundup 2/20
by Mark D on Feb 20, 2011 10:53 AM EST
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The good in Bridgeport: Justin DiBenedetto continues on his hot streak, David Ullstrom scores 3 goals in 2 games after being held without a goal since December 18th and Mikko Koskinen had a strong game to get BP it's first non-regulation loss in a while. The Bad: They were outshot 64-42 in two games and in neither game did they get double digit shots in a period. Following the shootout loss Mikko gave up 4 goals on 11 shots and was replaced by Joel Martin. In the last 19 games BP has won 1 game, with 2 OT losses and 2 shootout losses.
Against Springfield Eric Castonguay [DiBenedetto, Ullstrom] Ullstrom [Dylan Reese] and DiBenedetto [Rob Hisey, Castonguay] were the goal scorers and no one scored in the shootout. DiBenedetto was named 2nd star of the night. Against Hershey DiBenedetto, Ullstrom [DiBenedetto, Rob Hisey] Robin Figren [Brady Leisenring, Reese] Ullstrom [Figren, Reese] were the goal scorers. In a cruel and amazing twist of irony, Joel Rechlicz got his first career AHL goal. Today BP plays the Atlantic Division leading Manchester Monarchs, so lets hope for the best.
Natural Born Kirills
Kirill Petrov had no points in 2 games this week making his season total 8 Goals, 11 Assists for 19 points in 46 games.
Kirill Kabanov Had an assist in Lewistown's one game this week. On the season he has 8 goals and 13 assists for 21 points in 27 games.
WHL, OHL,
Good week for the Oshawa Generals as they trounced their opponents 14-3. They beat Mississauga 8-2 as Calvin De Haan and Casey Cizikas traded assists while Tony Dehart scored a goal. They followed that up with a 6-1 beating of Sault Ste. Marie including De Haan's two assists. De Haan was named third star of the game. De Haan has 2 goals, 32 assists for 34 points in 43 games, Dehart has 3 goals, 20 assists for 23 points in 46 games. [De haan practice] [Dehart gets jumped]
Casey Cizikas and Mississauga bounced back with a 5-4 overtime win over the Kitchener Rangers. Cizikas did not register a point. He now has 27 goals, 30 assists for 57 points in 46 games.
Nino Niederreiter and Portland have clinched their playoff spot with a 6-3 win over Chilliwack. Nino was the driving force in the win, notching a hat trick and an assist along with being named first star of the night. His season total is now 27 goals, 19 assists for 46 points in 41 games. [from 2/9 Winterhawks score 5 goals in 1:59]
David Toews continues to be one of the major reasons that Brandon is still in the playoff race. The Wheat Kings won all three games this week, with Toews being named first star in one game (2 goal, 1 assist night) along with adding a goal and assist in the other two games. In 49 games Toews has 15 goals, 21 assists for 36 points.
NCAA and Europe
After a quiet first night in a tie with St Cloud State (One assist for Gregoire) the Isles prospects at UND had a good second night in a 3-2 win. Jason Gregoire had 2 assists and was named 2nd star of the Night, and Brock Nelson had a secondary assist on a PP goal. Who did he pass it to? Gregoire, So hopefully a sign of things to come. Nelson has 5 goals and 6 assists for 11 points in 31 games. Gregoire has 14 goals and 14 assists for 28 points in 26 games. [Nelson Interview]
Denver dropped a game to Michigan Tech 3-2, MT had been on a 25 game losing streak. Matt Donovan scored a goal in that game and in the following nights 5-1 win had an assist. Donovan has 7 goals, 15 assists for 22 points in 32 games.
Quiet Weekend for Anders Lee as Notre Dame played Ferris State. Notre Dame swept Ferris, and Anders Lee added an assist to his season totals. That makes his stats so far 19 goals, 19 assists for 38 points in 34 games. Lee was once again named Rookie of the Week in the CCHA for his performance last weekend. [Link]
Aaron Ness had 2 assists in helping lead Minnesota to a win over Wisconsin. Ness did not get any points the following night in a 3-3 tie. Ness has 1 goal, 11 assists for 12 points in 29 games.
Shane Sims did not get on the board in either game this week for Ohio State University. On the season he has 2 goals and 15 assists for 17 points in 32 games.
Corey Trivino had an assist helping BU to sweep Providence in a defensive battle as the scores were 2-1 and 1-0. He has 7 goals and 11 assists for 18 points in 28 games. [Postgame from last week]
Blake Kessel had an assist in a 2-2 tie with Vermont. He did not score the following night in a 6-1 win.This year he has 5 goals and 17 assists for 22 points in 30 games. [Old Blake Kessel interview]
Brian Day had an assist in Colgate's win Vs Dartmouth, and did not play on Saturday against Harvard. Colgate has been streaking lately with 4 wins in their last 5 games. Day has 9 goals, 11 assists for 20 points in 28 games.
Anders Nilsson started both games for Lulea this week. He backstopped them to a 3-0 win with 25 saves and followed that up with a 2-3 OT Loss with 19 saves. Nilsson is 8th in the league with a .913 SV% and is 3rd in GAA with a 1.98.
Cody Rosen did not play this week.
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why wouldn't he?
I definately think he is on the team next season, and he may not have as much pressure on in like he did this season. We have guys scoring, and I see him fitting onto the 3rd line with Bailey. Not sure if it will be nino/Bailey/ Joensuu or Comeau or someone else?
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by Rickfansince76 on Feb 20, 2011 3:17 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Good Point
… and the beauty is … Nino will only be like 10 days older than JT was when JT started his NHL career.
by 19 Isle in NJ 22 on Feb 20, 2011 3:45 PM EST up reply actions
I don't know about that,
nino looked suitable for an ok 3rd line job this year. And he’s ripping up the whl as expected. On the verge of a top 5 goalscoring whl 45goal full season(if he didn’t start in the nhl). The man can’t master the whl much more, and it’s time for him to join the big show next season imo. We could use his size, we could use his goalscoring, and we could use his physicality. I expect him on the roster next year and producing a minimum 15goal/30pts rookie season.
Proud Islanders fan, the organization that iced the greatest team to ever play the game and won 4 straight cups. Best overall player in the nhl right now=Pavel Datsyuk.
And never forget "The Twisted Sister-We're Not Gonna Take it Retribution Game" against the pens where we beat their ass on the scoreboard 9-3 and on the ice, getting retribution for their cheapshotting wussy asses!:
http://www.nhl.com/ice/recap.htm?id=2010020823&navid=sb:recap
I do think he can handle the NHL
But you say “the man” but I see “the kid”. I think the Isles are in a position where they don’t need to bring up “kids” so soon anymore. Let him come in ready for 2nd line minutes and not 3rd line minutes.
Good points. We'll see.
Proud Islanders fan, the organization that iced the greatest team to ever play the game and won 4 straight cups. Best overall player in the nhl right now=Pavel Datsyuk.
And never forget "The Twisted Sister-We're Not Gonna Take it Retribution Game" against the pens where we beat their ass on the scoreboard 9-3 and on the ice, getting retribution for their cheapshotting wussy asses!:
http://www.nhl.com/ice/recap.htm?id=2010020823&navid=sb:recap
Nino is a man on a mission
He is determined to make it impossible for the Isles to send him back this time. He will probably be competing with a veteran FA for a third line spot. I see no reason why the Isles cannot have three scoring lines. In any event, he deserves a legit shot to make the team and if he does, he does.
Nino has a good shot...
he’d be a very effective fourth liner with his speed, toughness and ability to get under other team’s skin, but he has to be a top nine winger to stick. If Isles do not draft Landeskog or Couturier, the NHL wingers are: MM, Grabs, KO, Paps and BC. That leaves room for one more top nine winger. So barring draft, trade, FA or waiver wire, Nino is at least sixth on depth chart for wingers…but other 5 wingers can not be sent down, Nino can.
by CanadianIsleslifer on Feb 20, 2011 11:53 PM EST up reply actions
that is what i said…nino has to be top nine winger to stick…
by CanadianIsleslifer on Feb 21, 2011 12:20 AM EST up reply actions
he should get those nine games to try to stick, though
It’s clear he’ll do nothing but pick up lazy habits in juniors next season. The game will be too easy for him. In a way, it would almost be better to have him for the whole season next year – he can play 10-12 minutes in the bottom six, pay his dues the way most normal prospects do, and supplement that with some special-teams time as warranted. If there are injuries (heheheheheh, “IF” he says) he can jump up to the top six and the Isles can see what he’s got.
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Well put.
Proud Islanders fan, the organization that iced the greatest team to ever play the game and won 4 straight cups. Best overall player in the nhl right now=Pavel Datsyuk.
And never forget "The Twisted Sister-We're Not Gonna Take it Retribution Game" against the pens where we beat their ass on the scoreboard 9-3 and on the ice, getting retribution for their cheapshotting wussy asses!:
http://www.nhl.com/ice/recap.htm?id=2010020823&navid=sb:recap
not
if they win a WHL championship… that would be 2 wjc’s and a junior champ run, plus we’ll likely need a guy to fill the 3rd/4th line wing, which would keep his minutes to a healthy level and not put any pressure on him…
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lol
I was thinking about putting a note in about him. He’s getting the odd assist here and there, 3 assists in 8 games in Jan. But he’s only played one game since coming back from injury
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excellent job
thanks for putting this together every week
by Mulligan on Feb 20, 2011 11:15 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
Thank you!
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Rec'd
Proud Islanders fan, the organization that iced the greatest team to ever play the game and won 4 straight cups. Best overall player in the nhl right now=Pavel Datsyuk.
And never forget "The Twisted Sister-We're Not Gonna Take it Retribution Game" against the pens where we beat their ass on the scoreboard 9-3 and on the ice, getting retribution for their cheapshotting wussy asses!:
http://www.nhl.com/ice/recap.htm?id=2010020823&navid=sb:recap
this was cool
quick question
Larsson
Can we get Larsson with what I expect will be the 3rd or 4th pick
Who are we betting on Edmonton and Ottawa taking?
Larsson is going #1 from all reports
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The way the lottery works, we could still get him #1
Not long ago, Chicago was originally slotted fifth and won the lottery and took Kane… stranger things have happened…
by sayvillelax94 on Feb 20, 2011 2:49 PM EST up reply actions
Not to long ago, the Islanders were slated #5, won the lottery and took
Rick DiPietro with the #1 :-(
by Meet Me at the Lighthouse on Feb 20, 2011 3:17 PM EST up reply actions
I don’t think so, they were the worst team in the league
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yea
we just had the number 1 and number 5 pick in the same draft didnt we?
Constantly building for the future.
Isles won the lottery the year they draft DP. Hockey News had DP rated 3rd, behind Healtey and Gaborik. I read so where once that Milbury had stated they would have taken Gaborik over Heatley if they didn’t draft DP.
by CanadianIsleslifer on Feb 20, 2011 3:59 PM EST up reply actions
But
They had two expansion franchises (The Wild and Blue Jackets) weighted heavier then them in the lotto and an equally shitty Atlanta team that year.
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by David Hanssen on Feb 20, 2011 4:59 PM EST up reply actions
for that to happen
Edmonton would have to take Nugent-Hopkins and Ottawa Sean Couturier. Not inconceivable, given Edmonton’s desperate need for a fast as Grabs well above average playmaking centre to play with speedy Hall and Eberle – and Ottawa’s abundance in young D anf D prospects combined with their need to land a big fish to market team, sell shirts. Courturier, huge, tough as nails, does it all and is French Canadian? A marketer’s dream for Ottawa. They once drafted Francophone Alexandre Daige first overall for the same reasons. Daige of course was a bust, more interested in making movies than playing hockey. Couturier is the entire package. It would be hard for Ottawa to pass on Couturier. TSN has been really raving about Nugent-Hopkins, claiming he may rise to number one. I’ll be happy with any of the top five, but prefer one of top four.
by CanadianIsleslifer on Feb 20, 2011 3:57 PM EST up reply actions
Please
Edmonton’s desperate need for a fast as Grabs
Do not use terms that are physically impossible, such as “fast as Grabs.” Thanks.
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by Dominik on Feb 20, 2011 5:36 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
lol
he’s fast, wait till you see him
by CanadianIsleslifer on Feb 20, 2011 6:21 PM EST up reply actions
Looking forward to it!
I need to start planning ahead to what junior games I can pick up. Be nice to see him since draft day clips always seem to show guys celebrating goals rather than playing hockey.
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so true
and highlight reals tend to highlight their best moments, not overall game. TSN has been raving about the kid lately. They just played a short documentary they did on the kid, if you can find it. He’s considered a better playmaker and passer then both Landeskog and Couturier. I’d rather have one of the other two forwards to play with JT on his left wing, but I wouldn’t say no to RNH if others are gone. No team ever won multiple cups without goal tending and two great centres. Isles would have two number one centers.
by CanadianIsleslifer on Feb 20, 2011 10:05 PM EST up reply actions
JT and Frans are fine and Josh soon will be
Plus we have Lee coming up. If Larsson is off the board—and I think there is a VERY good chance that he will not be—drafting a center is possible but so is a trade down for the right price.
no way i would trade down
there is no one worth giving up a top four on…Lee is only a prospect at this point, may make it, may not, and he certainly is no RNH. I think Lee will be a power winger. Isles have some depth with left handed forward prospects, but none on RNH level – and no one in Isles system barring JT has RNH upside. To trade that pick, it would have to involve one helluva player coming back, and he’d have to be established. Otherwise, its a huge gamble and one the Isles should not be taking. Frans can not score goals, should be averaging 15 per season as thirdliner. He is very good defensively but that lack of offense needs to be made up elsewhere. Frans is not a legit 2nd line centre, and Bailey may never be either. He certainly does not and never has had RNH’s upside. To be a top level team, an upgrade at centre would be required on the second line.
by CanadianIsleslifer on Feb 21, 2011 12:00 AM EST up reply actions
The way Frans is playing now
I think he could work as a second line center. If I had to pick right now between Lee and RNH, I would take Lee. He is another Jordan Staal. Also think that Zabinejad can develop into a center just as good as Couturier or RNH. Only way Garth picks a center is if he is giving up on Josh becoming one. We are solid now with Frans on second and Josh and Lee have a lot of potential. Don’t see drafting a center with the top pick.
Frans is not a second line centre on any above average team. He has 7 goals. Gretzky retired after his last season, when he had only 8 and could not score anymore. Look at all great teams: two top centres. Isles had Trottier – Goring, later Sutter. Oil had Gretzky and Messier. Calgary: Gilmour and Newydiuk (spelling?) you can go on and on…Avalanche – Sakic and Forsberg. Detriot, Yzerman and Federov, later Datsyuk. Pittsburgh, Crosby and Malkin. Philly, Carter and Richards. Tampa, Richards and Vinny L – now Stamkos…etc., etc. Jordan Staal is a proven now player, Lee is a prospect, still three years away and may never be what Jordan Staal is now. And Zebinejad is a prospect as well, and I haven’t heard of any scout who would put him in the class of the top four right now. Landeskog and Courturier play a lot of left wing as well. And to trade RNH – a potential 1st over all for two much lower prosects would be crazy, especially when Bailey is our best shot at a second line centre, and may never be more than a third. The chance to have two number one centres is much more important to the team’s future. If it came down to RNH and we traded that pick, no way Garth would gamble crazy like that without a NOW – player coming back who was within the age group of the core.
by CanadianIsleslifer on Feb 21, 2011 12:19 AM EST up reply actions
Perfectly legitimate to have a playmaking center—which Frans is (btw RNH too) as second line center. Goring was never a big goal scorer with the Isles…although he had a few pretty good years with the Kings. He was also more of a playmaker…although he did twice have 20+ goal seasons. RNH, esp, would just be a prospect and I would not assume that he would be a big goal scorer at all at the NHL level. You don’t know that Couturier will be the answer either. I think that if Garth is confident about Josh and Lee, he will pass on a center. If he is not and he likes either Couturier or RNH, he might draft one of them even instead of Larsson. As he said, it’s a crapshoot. There are no guarantees.
BC, your arguing simply for the point of arguing. Find me one respected hockey coach or GM that would say Frans, a guy with a mere 7 goals – is a second line playmaking centre? He’s a third liner. Name me one cup winning team whose second line centre was as bad offensively as Frans? Goring stats are head and shoulders better than Frans, and Goring DID score goals. Frans is highly unlikely to ever score 25 goals, let alone 30. He is a great defensive centre – which means 3rd line. Snow will draft the best player available – barring a blow the socks off offer. It has nothing to do with confidence in Bailey or Frans. Frans is 26. Not likely to become a second liner, Bailey is not there now and may never be. And while you don’t know Couturier or even Landeskog is the answer as prospects, they are far, far more likely to be the answer then picks rated much lower. You draft the top four guy and then trade one of the centres down the road – it is called trading from strength.
And the draft is not a crap shoot. As I told a reporter recently for that same statement, it is one thing for a fan to say that in passing, but when I hear or read someone who is suppose to be a hockey mind talking like that, it tells me that person is not much of a hockey mind. There is far more science and expertise involved. Which is why everyone relies on expertise. There is also several factors that can change prospects positioning over time, such as injury. But to dismiss RNH or any of the top four as “prospects” or a crapshoot in the same light as much lower prospects?
by CanadianIsleslifer on Feb 21, 2011 1:18 AM EST up reply actions
Garth was quoted as saying that...so you have to decide what you think of his mind
and Frans has not really had competent scoring linemates until now. He has excellent playmaking skills. I could certainly see him evolving into a legit second line center…which he is now and seems to be doing well. Until they make it in the NHL, these players are prospects. Their chances may be better than others, but there certainly have been top five picks who have been big busts.
Really?
BC, take a look above at all the cup winning and top teams I’ve listed and their top two centres. Then take a look around the league at top teams – look at the last 10 plus years. It is way, way beyond Frans’ linemates. He is a 7 goal scorer, has he ever scored even 15? Is he in the same league as the top two centres on top teams? No. Not even close. He’s 26 now, and can’t score. Can’t see that changing, and until it does, which is an extreme long shot, the Isles need a legit 2nd line centre to be a contender. They have a solid 3rd in Frans. And to trade down for lesser picks who are no where near the playmaker RNH’s is b/c some top picks have been busts? Come on. Fair value for trade or not at all.
Isles are fine without a legit 2nd line centre next year. They went with Trottier, Wayne Merrick prior to trading for Goring..but when it is time to move a head, they will need a top six centre. If you have two number one centres, your in very good shape is witness by cup history.
by CanadianIsleslifer on Feb 21, 2011 1:38 AM EST up reply actions
It's part semantics
You’re dreaming of two scoring lines where the “3rd line” is more in a defensive role, yes? Well, Nielsen is used in that defensive role, so saying his offense doesn’t cut it steps around the fact that 1) he’s on a weak team with (until recently) weak teammates, and 2) he isn’t put in the offensive situations that would fuel better production (even on the PP, it’s as a point man more than as a goal scorer).
Check this FanPost for more on that:
This year, Frans’ Relative Corsi seems to have dropped…does that mean he’s played worse defense? Not so much…you see not only did Frans’ teammates get worse this year, but he’s also been used more frequently in the defensive zone (as seen by his zone start) this year. The end result is that while Frans has been on the ice, the Isles had less opportunities to get shots off on the opposing net and the opponents have had more chances. This is not Frans’ fault…rather its a function of deliberate strategy by the coaching staff to put Frans on the ice in these situations.
He’s not a sniper; but he is a playmaker, putting up an assist every other game this year despite a mostly defensive role. If they had another guy to do the dirty work, maybe he’d be used more in an offensive role. Right now he’s the best candidate though, so the search for a guy who can put up points in softer minutes carries on.
You mention Goring’s stats — it’s really tough comparing eras, but have you looked at them lately? They look rather Frans-like, except more balanced toward goals than assists.
I think the labels can confuse things, and the important thing is to have three strong lines (and centers) who can play two-way hockey, or else a really offensive line that you can shelter somewhat.
Even Tavares right now, well he’s our “#1” center, but as currently performing is he their best at creating goals while preventing goals against? No. In fact per 60 minutes of ice time Tavares is on for fewer GF than Nielsen, and several more goals against than Nielsen, despite Nielsen being put in worse positions to actually generate offense. I’m hoping that will change as JT grows and evolves, but right now that’s the reality.
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by Dominik on Feb 21, 2011 1:42 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
well said, Dom
and I am not saying that I’d rule out drafting a center with the first pick, but that would not be my first thought with the way Frans and Grabs are playing. Again, we don’t know how the Isles’ scouts view these players and prospects. We only know what we see on the ice and in published reports. Garth might very well want Couturier or RNH over even Larsson for all I know. I am just offering another perspective which is as good as anyone else not named Garth Snow at this point.
and what we know is that Frans does not compare to the list of top two centres on the most dominant teams. Simply put, he is no Sakic-Forsberg, Lemieux -Francis; Richards-Carter for that matter or Toews-Sharp. Not Yzerman-Federov-Datsyuk, not Crosby-Malkin, never scored like Goring, not a Vinny L or Brad Richards, not Richards – Modano…we could go on and on…he is a very good defensive centre, and the Isles do have a few guys who may improve, but JT is the only Isles centre who projects in that class. Therefore, the search for the 2nd line centre is still open until someone takes it or is found. I wouldn’t hesitate to trade Frans straight up for any of the above centres, if they were in 26 and in their prime. I don’t think anyone else would hesitate either.
by CanadianIsleslifer on Feb 21, 2011 1:57 AM EST up reply actions
with the forwards the Isles are collecting
I could see them having three good scoring lines and Frans being an at least adequate second line center.
if they build three lines and spread it out, that isles are doing now…with one star centre, 2 third liners (hoping Bailey pans out).
by CanadianIsleslifer on Feb 21, 2011 2:08 AM EST up reply actions
more than that
I am more and more impressed by the dynamic that Grabs and Nielsen have with Ox on the wing. A team is much more than the sum of its parts and the CW about how to build a team is a good template but need not be slavishly followed in every instance. Remember also that Frans’ fairly short NHL career has been almost solely on checking lines with linemates who were nothing like top six material. At the very least, it would be wise to keep going with this second line for the balance of the year and if it continues as well as it has, you have a legitimate second scoring line regardless of whether Frans fits anyone’s image of what a second line center should be.
Ok...lets end the Frans homerism and be honest about his pros and cons...
Pros…Frans is a very good, positional but soft defensive centre. Not taking anything away from that…
Cons…I’ve already given a simple list off the top of my head…it clearly shows that elite teams have two good centres (it is after all a very important position) and I didn’t even get into lesser teams like Sundin-Gilmour of the Leafs..and Cliff Fletcher traded for Gilmour for the sole purpose of having two top centres, (Fletcher even said that publicly), and two good goalies is part of winning cup….
Now, before I give the data that clearly shows to any non-partisan fan that Frans is a third line centre on any contending team…take a look at the centres on every contending team this year, and lets see where Frans would measure up…
Van – H. Sedin-R. Kesler-M Malhotra.
Bos -P Bergeron-D Krejci-R Peverley-B Marchand – C Kelly – G Campbell – T Seguin.
Phil – M Richards – J Carter – D Powe – B Betts.
Pitts (if healthy they’re a contender) S. Crosby, G Malkin, T Kennedy…J. Staal, M. Talbot…
Lesser contenders:
Det:
P Datsyuk-H Zetterber -V. Filppula.
SJ – J Thorton, J Pavelski, L Couture.
There you go. Frans is a third line defensive centre on any contending if he were traded today…next, lets to REAL Stats, not Corsi pseudo science..
by CanadianIsleslifer on Feb 21, 2011 6:44 PM EST up reply actions
REAL Frans stats, NOT CORSI PSEUDO SCIENCE
If ever there were a classic case study as to why too much religion in Corsi is misleading and even dangerous, it is Frans Neilson, defensive specialist. The very fact that some use Corsi to argue that a fourth line body-guard, enforcer should not be in the NHL making life easier for stars (Martin), while masking Frans Neilson’s blatant flaws as a potential offensive pairing centre is astounding.
Frans Neilson has played 53 games this year. Frans Neilson averages 22 shifts or more a game. Frans Neilson has a mere 7 goals. At least one was an empty netter, 5 were short handed goals, and Frans is a shootout specialists, which has a relationship to short-handed goals…while that is impressive from defensive stand point…what IS ONE OF THE MOST – AND PROBABLY WORST STATs AMONG ANY NHL PLAYER – who is being pumped as a second line centre – FRANS NEILSON HAS 1 – THAT’S RIGHT ONE – EVEN STRENGTH GOAL IN 53 GAMES!!!!!!!!!
That my friends, is a glaring weakness that no contending team in this league has – in fact, Frans may be the only second line centre in the entire league with only one even strength goal. It is not the most glaring Isles problem now, defense is. And, maybe someone within the organization steps up and takes that 2nd line centre job…but Frans has had lots of ice-time, more than enough opportunity and has never shown any signs that he will be that guy. Maybe he will, but hasn’t yet. Furthermore, a good team with lots of depth will simply cheat a bit and play Frans for the pass. That hurts offense. Let’s be honest here, when it comes to even strength and non-special teams, as far as goal scoring goes, Frans might as well be wearing a blind fold b/c he couldn’t put the puck in the ocean. So yes, it is blatantly obvious that if down the road the Isles want to move into cup contention, they will need an offensive upgrade from Frans – tied with Trevor Gillies for even strength goals – at 2nd line center.
by CanadianIsleslifer on Feb 21, 2011 7:02 PM EST up reply actions
Most of Frans' ice time has been third line until now
Third liners typically are focused on defense. They typically do not play with their team’s best forwards. For the first time in his fairly short NHL career, Frans is playing on a line with top six talent. I am saying that you cannot really say that Frans lacks the ability to be a second line center because he is only just now being given the opportunity to perform that role. You can accuse Dom and me of being homers and dismiss the corsi stats all you want, it still doesn’t change that fact.
Compare Frans goal scoring to other third liners
There is truth to what you are saying, but lets keep it in perspective. How many top NHL third line defensive centres have scored only one even strength goal in 53 games? That is a terrible stat, you can not sugar coat that.
As for career, the average is 5 years. Bertuzzi just became the 263 player to reach the 1000 mark. Frans has had lots of time. He’ll be 27 in April. This is no excuse.
Not accusing Dom of anything, I know he likes Frans, and so do I, but I am a realist. Isles have holes to fill, and if anything is obvious, it is that Frans, as defensive centre, has indeed not been playing against other teams best defensive centres. Common trait is to be able to score some by taking advantage of their mistakes. Frans hasn’t done that often 5 on 5. He is playing 2nd now due to lack of one, and it take unfair pressure off Bailey. But to say that Frans so far has not demonstrated the ability to be a legit, full time 2nd line centre on a contending team, that is not rocket science my friend, it is being captain obvious. Again, look at every contending team in the league. Frans doesn’t beat out their top two centres. In fact, I think it is fair that none of those teams would trade us one of their top two for Frans straight up. What that means is, until Frans starts to score more on even strength, or someone else in the organization takes the job of second line centre, it isn’t filled.
I think a far more productive debate would be analysizing why Frans can not score 5 on 5? 1 in 53 games, that’s bad.
by CanadianIsleslifer on Feb 21, 2011 10:14 PM EST up reply actions
next, lets to REAL Stats, not Corsi pseudo science.
Um, sorry, I’m willing to engage on your terms, but if you won’t bother to try to understand what Corsi tells us — or if you’re just dismissive outright about the terms — then we’re not going to get very far.
I’m being a “realist” about this as well. I don’t think we even disagree that much, other than a definition of terms. Once again, it would be GREAT to have two HOF centers, but not many teams are that lucky. Your center examples of Bos,Phi/Pit actually don’t sway me. Several of those “2nd” or 3rd centers have flaws that are compensated for by their wingers, even if they do produce higher “real” stats.
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No, that is not what I am saying.
What I am saying is, your repeat cup teams, your best teams have had two number one centres. That is a very strong advantage. Frans is a very good defensive centre, but on this Isles Team, JT is the only player who projects to be in the same league as champion teams that have had two legit top centres. Forsberg, Sakic, Yzerman – Federov, Datsyuk..right down the list. Jt looks to be headed that way.
by CanadianIsleslifer on Feb 21, 2011 1:49 AM EST up reply actions
Those are the classic examples of course
I see that — and it’d be great if the Isles could get that, it’s just not very likely or something that can be counted on, even with a top 5 pick in the draft. Basically there are some very (few) lucky teams who have had that kind of 1-2 punch, and everyone else has to try to win the Cup the Carolina or Tampa Bay or Chicago or New Jersey way.
I’m a fan of centers; collect good ones and hopefully the better ones can also play wing if needed. But I think the chase for a magical 1-2 punch needs alternatives, because most teams don’t get that lucky.
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Agreed
and that it what I am saying. If it comes down to RNH, whose skating and playmaking are especially above average, RNH’s is a potential number one. That means, it has to be one amazing offer for Isles to give that up.
by CanadianIsleslifer on Feb 21, 2011 1:58 AM EST up reply actions
I do not see him as a big goal scorer at the NHL level
I’d be surprised if he gets more than 15-20 goals a year. But I would expect him to get 50-60 assists or more a year. With the right linemates, I could see Frans doing that and being a better two way guy in the bargain.
I’ll bet you dinner whomever ends up with RNH will not trade him straight up for Frans. Frans is better defensively now, but hopkins is faster, an unbelievable playmaker, and not hard to imagine him scoring more goals than Frans. But I would say Sakic like goal totals would be fine b/c of his speed, passing/playmaking.
by CanadianIsleslifer on Feb 21, 2011 2:11 AM EST up reply actions
It amazes me that nobody has brought up.....
…..the FIVE shorthanded goals Nielsen has scored while on a team that’s struggled at times to generate offensive power, on this blog filthy with Frans fans; if ANYthing hints at his potential offensive upside, it should be THAT, shouldn’t it? Is there any scenario where it’s more challenging to produce goals than on the PK? But Nielsen, true to his Danish resolve, accepted the role which this team needed him most to fill – and fill it ADMIRABLY he has, I think we can all agree! So it’s a bit difficult to say with complete certainty he COULDN’T be another Goring – or approach the level of other past Islander defensive forwards – Peca being a very good example, and I think we can all look back at HIM as being a second-line center without remorse…..
by ogam5 on Feb 21, 2011 7:17 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Absolutely not..ONE EVEN STRENGTH GOAL IN 53 GAMES
Frans is a defensive specialist…and very good at it. 5 short handed goals shows that. There is also a connection to shorties and shootouts, which he specializes in.
WHAT IS AMAZING IS NO ONE SEEMS TO REALIZE HERE, FRANS HAS PLAYED 53 GAMES AND ONLY HAS ONE EVEN STRENGTH GOAL…NOT A SINGLE 2ND LINE CENTRE IN LEAGUE THAT BAD…TIES FRANZ WITH TREVOR GILLIES…IT IS BLATANTLY OBVIOUS ISLES WILL NEED AN UPGRADE HERE IF THEY WANT TO CONTEND DOWN THE ROAD.
by CanadianIsleslifer on Feb 21, 2011 7:06 PM EST up reply actions
Breath, brother...breath ;-)
FWIW, Frans other weakness besides being a poor finisher (his shooting % is 6%, Martin’s is 5.7%) is his size. His fragile stature is a major flaw when it comes to playoff hockey and the durability required. He needs to put on at least 10-15 lbs. if he wants to be at his best come next spring and our expected (that’s right) playoff run.
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by Bryan2112 on Feb 21, 2011 8:41 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Great points Bryan.
I just think the main points CIL wants to say is that Nielsen isn’t fit for a 2nd line center role. And on that topic, I’d agree. As stated, his offense isn’t adequate enough, specifically goalscoring wise, he’s undersized and not very strong, and he is somewhat fragile.
Nielsen has had a big shot this year, and has no reason to fail with grabner the scoring machine and okposo on his line for the rest of the year. And he has still looked subpar for a 2nd line center. Either way, if the nielsen/okposo/grabner line is cooking like this next year, we need not worry much about this topic.
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Frans has been USED as a defensive specialist until now
He deserves a chance to prove that he is something more.
he gets a chance
to take unfair pressure off Bailey, and b/c we have no one else.
Frans as defensive centre has not had to play against league’s best checking and defensive centres. Your best defensive centres, will wait for opposition to make mistakes and pounce on it. Think Guy Carboneau. Frans’ EV goals – 1 in 53 games, is so bad, he is last in EV goal scoring among the league’s defensive centres too.
One need also consider, the fact that the better teams who have the depth, will simply cheat a bit, keep Frans to the perimeter and play him for the pass. In otherwords, one man on KO, one shadowing Grabs closely, while the D and Frans’ check keep him to the point and Frans’ Check cheats to help 1.5 grabs with coverage.
Doug Weight is a prime example. There were questions when he came into the league as to whether or not he could score. The scouts said, if he could just average 20 goals a year, he’ll be a top level centre. Why? B/C if the opposition couldn’t play him for the pass, it gave him an extra weapon, and helped him add more assists, and Weight had above average, elite passing skills.
by CanadianIsleslifer on Feb 21, 2011 10:23 PM EST up reply actions
How do you know RNH is faster? Frans is plenty fast, will always be better defensively, and it would not be hard to imagine HIM scoring more goals than he has in the past if he continues to get second line minutes with top six linemates. Doubt RNH will ever break 30 goals a season. Will probably take a few years to top 20….esp since the team that will draft will likely look for him to be a playmaker and he will take a year or two to adapt to the speed and physicality of the NHL.
READ SCOUTING REPORTS
Warch them play. RNH is faster, is a better playmaker then most in NHL. He’s also 6 months younger than other top three, and only one born in 93 as opposed to 92. Only question about RNH is how many goals he will score. With Neilson – tied with Trevor Gillies in even strength goals, Neilson, last in league among second line centres with Even Strength goals…RNH will obviously score more than one every 53 games. Not going very far with a lousy second line centre stat like that. Frans is a very effective thirdline checker. and Hey, Frans plays against the league’s best offensive plays, NOT the league’s best checkers. Let’s stop kidding ourselves here. Not a team in the league that would be ok with 1 goal in 53 games at even strength for a second line centre. If we had this conversation based on stats and no names, I doubt anyone here would be ready to go to war defending this. I want to win.
by CanadianIsleslifer on Feb 21, 2011 7:13 PM EST up reply actions
show me the scouting report that says RNH is faster than Nielsen
or that he is a better playmaker than most NHL centers. I’ve read them. They don’t say that. They do say that he he is very skilled and very fast, but that he also does not deal with physical contact to well. He’ll probably need at least two years in juniors and 1-2 in the AHL before he sees a game on NHL ice.
Combine
Who is faster skater on Isles? Grabs. What was Grabs time compared to T Hall’s? Beat him by less then a second. What was T Hall’s time at combine? What was RNH? Compare. Conclusion: RNH is at a level Frans is a notch below. If you want precise numbers, it is there to be put together.
Nugent-Hokins is said to be ready now by some, but I would agree he needs year or two in minors b/c i believe in that philosopy.
Nugent-Hopkins is not overly physical, but he is consider one of the tougher players. He’s the only one of the top four born in 93, not 92. At six months younger, he is 6’1 now. Typical skinny high metabolism kid for his age, who clearly is not finished growing – another reason not to be in show next year. But lets look at his stats:
22 points in last 9 games I can find data. 4th overall in WHL scoring. That is considered the most physical Canadian Jr. hockey league. In 59 games, Hopkins has 20 goals, 66 assists for 86 points and 43 PIM. That’s a goal every three games, and just above an assist per game. Not to mention, he is in a virtual tie for most PIMs among top 4 WHL point leaders. He’s no lady binger. Would I personal rather have Larrson, Couturier or Landeskog? Yes. But a lot of top scouts say I’m wrong.
http://www.whl.ca/stats/show/type/top_scorers
by CanadianIsleslifer on Feb 21, 2011 10:35 PM EST up reply actions
I love Nuge 2.0
But if it’s a choice between the two, I hope Garth takes Larsson. It’s a shame but we can’t have both, unless we completely fleece someone in a trade.
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I will not be completely happy unless we leave this draft with landeskog or larsson. Just saying. lol
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This is why
I want to see them go for it and trade up to #1 if they don’t land it. Throw our first three picks together in a package. If that’s not enough add a player. Larsson is far and away the best fit for the Isles for now and the future. Be bold Garth.
Only way a team above us would do that is if they did not think we would draft who they want
Isles pretty much either have to get the #1 pick or hope that the team(s) above us do not pick Larsson.
Isles would have to give up a lot for that – I not sure they can afford to give up the depth yet – too many holes. If it comes down to RNH – draft him. In a few years, some of these left centres will be wingers and others won’t make it, but we will be trading from a position of strength (centre) for our needs. Every team in league history that has had two top centres has had success for a long time. To pass up on that chance, Isles would need a huge – can’t refuse offer. And yes, no team has ever won the cup with a second line centre who scores one Even Strength goal in 53 games, no matter how good they are defensively. Show me a team with a stat like that, I’ll show you a bottom team.
by CanadianIsleslifer on Feb 21, 2011 7:18 PM EST up reply actions
You're on fire, guy...does this mean if Landeskog and RNH were both still available, you'd chose RNH?
"Seriously that's the last time you guys f#@%ing won?" -RSH (about beating the Penguins in '93)
no..
but many scouts say i’m wrong. I really believe the Isles have to improve physicality more than anything. If I were GM, I’d almost want the 4th pick so that I could take the last one left and not have to make that tough decision.
by CanadianIsleslifer on Feb 21, 2011 10:38 PM EST up reply actions
take it easy on the top two centers thing
You have to define your terms first. What are two top centers? What objective numbers can we look at to say “these two guys are top centers”?
After doing that, you can move to “these sets of teammates meet that criteria” and from there you can get to “overall teams with two top centers do X as compared to Y for the other teams.”
Otherwise it’s just a circular argument – teams with X do Y, and they do Y because of X.
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The problem with your “every team that wins the Cup has two top centers” is you can replace two centers with “big time defenseman” or “scoring winger” or "defined #1 goalie. " There’s a ton of parts that have to come together, beyond having two scoring centers.
by afrosupreme on Feb 22, 2011 12:47 PM EST up reply actions
I think trading Fisher all but guarantees that OTT will go for Couturier if he is on the board
and EDM needs a top center just as much as a top defender. Not a lock that they will be picking ahead of us either.
hard to say actually
It is far from clear exactly where we will finish. Unless the lottery bumps the Isles down, the team will have at least a third overall pick. EDM has been playing better and Anderson is going to make OTT tougher. If the Isles slip at all, they could pass us. Also, the lottery has not flipped the pick since 2007, so it might just happen this year.
Far from clear that Larsson will be #1. If OTT gets the #1 pick, I can all but guarantee that they will not pick Larsson. They need a center too badly and are deep at D—esp true after trading Fisher. Even EDM desperately needs a top center just about as much as a top defender, so it isn’t at all clear that even they would pick Larsson. And RNH’s stock went up big because of his performance at the Prospects game. So Larsson is a very real possibility.
Unless the lottery bumps the Isles down, the team will have at least a third overall pick.
This is a presumption I am not prepared to make at this time.
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by TheMetalChick on Feb 21, 2011 8:50 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Seriously!
Im comfortable saying that the Isles will unfortunately not make the playoffs. Other than that, who knows?
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by TheMetalChick on Feb 21, 2011 10:07 AM EST up reply actions
you are entitled to your opinion of course
but the only team above us that we are reasonably close to is the Devils and they are so en fuego that the best the Isles can hope to do is keep pace with them. No, I do not see us advancing past #27. Could even slip depending on OTT and EDM.
not true
There three teams a head of us that are about 4 points above…Isles could pass them all, keep playing like we are, and the odds are good we will pass some.
by CanadianIsleslifer on Feb 21, 2011 7:19 PM EST up reply actions
not true
see I can write it too. Isles will not pass Devs and will only pass FL or TOR if they collapse—which I doubt they will.
You're thinking the Devils can stay this hot?
15-1-2 is pretty much the textbook definition of “unsustainable.” If they hit a three-game skid or something, or if Kovalchuk goes into a funk, or Elias gets hurt…. pop goes the bubble.
FL and TOR are already collapsing, anyway. It’s Lossing for Larsson! (the double-S in Losing is intentional, btw.)
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Anyone that's not a Center
The Isles are drowning in them, I swear
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so we may be looking at gabriel Landeskog?
by Torch7 on Feb 20, 2011 11:59 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Leftie centers at least…and leftie forwards for that matter…
by CanadianIsleslifer on Feb 20, 2011 6:53 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
for who? us?
Depends who you ask, but most would say Couturier b/c he plays left wing and centre, huge, fights, playmaker, solid Defensively, perfect linemate for JT…so is Landeskog…RNH though would make one hell of a centre with grabs…they would easily be the faster pair in the league. Whomever was paired with them would do good just to keep up. Maybe take the odd penalty just for a break and to mess with opposition lol. Seriously, RNH and Grabs killing penalties together would more then scare any opposition powerplay. They have a hard enough time with Neilson and Grabs. RNH and Grabs would only have to spring one guy lose while the other without the puck passed everyone else and caught-up to puck carrier. I personally would take Courturier or Landeskog over RNH based on where the Isles are in the rebuild and what they need.
by CanadianIsleslifer on Feb 20, 2011 4:33 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
based on what scouts are saying...
Larrson (although there has been speculation as to whether Larsson comes to NHL next year or stays in Sweden for another) and Landeskog are most NHL ready, followed by Couturier…they say Landeskog is ready to go now…he also drops the gloves, seems to have a bit of Clarke Gillies in him…RNH probably needs more time to bulk up..Hamilton needs to hone his skills. Hamilton is as close as you can get to a sure thing though. The only mystery to be answered is whether he will be 1st, 2nd or 3rd pairing. Definately projects 1st pairing. The kid has it all, huge, heavyweight fighter, big right shot, makes the nice pass, physical…etc. He’s been rated any where for 5th to 9th, but given his size and talent and what happened with Gudbranson last year, i’m betting after the clear top four are drafted, Hamilton is number 5.
by CanadianIsleslifer on Feb 20, 2011 6:29 PM EST up reply actions
Gudbranson
Did anything ever come out on why he had that healthy scratch this year? That seemed way out of character.
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I mean while he was playing with his junior team this year
There was some episode that caused him to scratch him. (“Conduct” etc.)
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Ya never know about those fiery Canadians!!!
http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=351469
http://www.torontosun.com/sports/hockey/2011/01/25/17024821.html
Methinks we need a cool competent Swede on our blueline.
yeah..
I heard that too but not much beyond that…
by CanadianIsleslifer on Feb 21, 2011 1:30 AM EST up reply actions
Given the way the lines are humming now
if Larsson is off the boards, I could see a trade down for the right price. Saad is a very comparable PF to Landeskog. Lets say that we are in the #3 slot and Boston is in #5. They might be willing to give up a defensive prospect and their second round pick to move up. We get the prospect, the pick, and Saad. Then we use the pick to move back up into the first and get Zabinejad.
trading down for picks would be very foolish...
I haven’t read a single scouting report from anyone in the know who would put Saad on the same level as Landeskog. In fact, there is a consensus among those who are considered scouting experts, that the talent level takes a big drop after top 4. To trade a top four pick for anything but a “blow our socks of deal” that includes a young, established player, would not be wise. Certainly not the way forward, and there is a very good reason why such a move is not common. Your proposing too much gambling, and Isles will never again get a pick like this with this team – barring trade.
by CanadianIsleslifer on Feb 21, 2011 12:05 AM EST up reply actions
seen a number of them actually
Main difference is that Landeskog is a little more NHL-ready than Saad right now…but with our lines functioning so well, that may not be that big a deal. A number of reports also have Huberdeau as a good alternative to Couturier and RNH. The main drop off is in NHL readiness. With the exception of RNH, these top four could move up to the NHL next year whereas the others are probably at least a year away.
the main drop off is far more than nhl readiness. Huberdeau has never come close to cracking top four and never will, if anything, he may be passed by other prospects, as for an alternative to Couturier and RNH – maybe if you didn’t have a chance to draft one of them, but who in their right mind would trade down from top four to get him? Not a GM that wants to keep their job. Landeskog is head and shoulders the better prospect over Saad…Saad is anywhere from 7th to 11th. And RNH’s issue is the same with Calvin DeHaan – he needs to bulk up. Nugent-Hopkins is by far the best playmaker in the draft, and fast as lightning. Besides, if the Isles did do something crazy like trade down – and it wasn’t for an established star – it would surely be to take a Defenceman, and that would be either Hamilton or Seimans.
by CanadianIsleslifer on Feb 21, 2011 12:26 AM EST up reply actions
And no
you haven’t seen a bunch of them. In fact, it is rare enough that it was considered a reputation risk when Snow did it, and that was only from 5th to 7th to 9th.
by CanadianIsleslifer on Feb 21, 2011 12:28 AM EST up reply actions
Can you offer example? Evidence?
it is not arrogance. Look it up…i did. It simply does not happen. When Snow did it, it was b/c Luke Schenn was a considerable drop from the previous group of top players, and Snow gambled “you can get that skill set in later rounds.” I do not know of GMs trading out of top small group of players to gamble on lower ranked picks. It just doesn’t happen.
by CanadianIsleslifer on Feb 21, 2011 1:24 AM EST up reply actions
BTW
Snow did get Hamonic with one of the picks he got, so he did prove his point.
by CanadianIsleslifer on Feb 21, 2011 1:27 AM EST up reply actions
again I was referring to reports about Saad when I said a number of them but
it does happen. Happened in 2003 and got Bouwmeester furious with FL for maneuvering him out of being the #1 pick. And it has happened a few other times. Rare though…I will give you that.
not the same thing
FL was still focusing on top group…their is a clear top four this year…Bouwmeester was not a clear number one…Snow did it, but it was b/c he was the first pick after top pack.
by CanadianIsleslifer on Feb 21, 2011 1:42 AM EST up reply actions
most reports that I have seen have Huberdeau moving up in the view of some scouts
Remember Fowler? He was seen as a #3 pretty much all year. Could see Huberdeau or another moving up on draft day. Wouldn’t rule it out.
he won't crack top three...
When the CBA dropped the UFA age down to 27, that put draft emphasis on forwards as D take longer. Of course Fowler had other issues which led to him Dropping. Larsson is not likely to drop. And Huberdeau is not being mentioned by anyone in same light as top three forwards. If anything, Hamilton is being predicted 5th.
by CanadianIsleslifer on Feb 21, 2011 2:05 AM EST up reply actions
only issue was a supposed injury
and a seeming preference for forwards. Turned out the other teams may have made a mistake as he is playing quite well and may be a Calder candidate. If I were to pick one player who might drop, it would be RNH due to his size and not being NHL-ready. If EDM does not pick him, he could drop several slots.
lol. That is not true at all
RNH is a wild card for top 3 or four overall…I’ve read every major scouting report the last few years. Not one single pro-scout has predicted him to fall several spots. No one. If anything, he is being touted as the most likely to pass Larrson. He killed everyone – yes everyone – in the combine. And as for Fowler, it was a lot more than an injury. He was labelled soft, among other things. Many have also said his falling may very well have spurned him to work on his flaws. He defense still is a work in progress.
by CanadianIsleslifer on Feb 21, 2011 7:24 PM EST up reply actions
lol. not true at all
yes, I can write that too. I have seen several reports that have dropped him a few slots…so I guess you missed a few. Even if there were none, however, those scouts do not work for the teams with top five picks. All of them are likely to be concerned about RNH’s size, about his inability to deal with physical contact well, and about the likelihood that it will be several years before he sees the inside of their locker room between junior and AHL play. BTW, the scouting combine is in June. I assume you mean the Prospects Game where he did do quite well. Hall’s game is still a work in progress too and I am sure there are flaws in Skinner’s game as well. Fowler is doing fine.
of course it's not true:
again, where is the scouting reports you refer to? RNH has been on fire this past month. Living in the hockey hot bed of Canada, this stuff is big news every year here. fact is, your citing unnamed, unknown sources who contradict central scouting, ISS TSN and all other respected sources.
Again, you assuming stuff that isn’t true. Case in point, your claims that RNH can’t deal with physical play is completely bogus, hogwash. Read the pro-scouting reports on him. They clearly state that although he is not overly physical, he is one of the tougher centres, and has dealt well with physicality. In fact, the kid has 43 PIMS in 59 games, to go along with 20 goals and a whopping 66 assists, all this in what is considered the most physical Jr. league. Obviously he is doing well to put up those numbers, and is no lady binger. Every year we have a prospects game up here with Cherry and Orr coaching. This is now a major scouting event with lots of testing. TSN reported RNH surprised and dominated all aspects. Ken Hitchcock called him the best play maker from WHL since Joe Sakic.
by CanadianIsleslifer on Feb 21, 2011 10:58 PM EST up reply actions
nice to see you relaxing your rules a bit this year BC
i remember last year when you fought me tooth and nail about Granlund when i said he may jump into the top 6, and you told me no way… he was ranked in the teens and went 9th… not as high as i thought he might go, but still top 10… the draft is surely a strange beast
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Always thought he would go later because of his size. Turns out I was right. Minn was the first team I think that I had as likely to take him. Would not be surprised to see RNH drop given his size and generally conceded lack of NHL-readiness. If EDM does not take him, he might even fall out of the top five. I am sure that we will all be surprised on draft day.
balony
Hopkins is 6’1, about 170. Six months roughly younger than Larrson, Couturier and Landeskog..the only one born and 93. He will likely grow another inch and will certainly add weight. He is by far the best playmaker in the draft. If we’re going to archchair Q – lets at least back it up with evidence from those who actually do know how to assess talent.
by CanadianIsleslifer on Feb 21, 2011 7:28 PM EST up reply actions
balon(e)y---you missed a letter
You talk about backing things up with evidence—and then you support your position with conjecture about how RNH will grow. Many have cited his size and difficulty with physical contact as flaws in his game. It will likely be several years before he makes a team’s roster. Unless we are talking about Boston, already a contender, that is going to be a major concern.
more assumptions
B.C., I just did a random, simple google search. I shouldn’t have to post links for everything, but if anyone does this, it is obvious what I am saying, and yes, you are assuming.
It is very clear that RNH has not had a problem with Physciality. He has proven to top scouts he can take it, but doesn’t dish it out. Problem is, he needs to fill out more, he has the height now at 6’1…like DeHaan who grew 2 inches, and Hamonic who grew 2 inches, RNH’s is not finished growing. He is likely to grow a little more, maybe 1 inch? But if he doesn’t, it is pretty obvious he is not going to shrink, so at the very least, he will be 6’1 which is indeed NHL height. Does he need to fill out? that is obviously yes. And as for “many cite flaws in his game” what flaws? who cites this. What many? Again, just throwing stuff out there that isn’t true.
There has only ever been concerns about RNH. A), he needs to bulk up. B), he was below his usual goal scoring pace at start of season, and questions were raised as to whether it was a slump or the real McCoy, and if so, could he score enough at NHL level to be top 6 centre. His defense has never been an issue. Hopkin’s is scoring now and has been for a while.
by CanadianIsleslifer on Feb 21, 2011 11:08 PM EST up reply actions
I thought baloney was spelt bologne? lol
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http://www.nhl.com/ice/recap.htm?id=2010020823&navid=sb:recap
Anyway, I was referring to reports about Saad, not trade downs
Saad and Landeskog seem pretty comparable to me. Main difference might be that Landeskog has been lauded as a leader whereas Saad has not necessarily. Several accounts suggest that he might also be NHL-ready. Seen him projected as a 30 goal scorer. Landeskog’s numbers are a little better, but he is on more of an offensive team than Saad. In any event, as I have said elsewhere, if a pretty good asset or two were offered to move down from three to five, it might be worth it. Not saying I expect it, just that it’s a consideration.
Saad has not been considered potential first overall by anyone. He has never come close to top four ranking. Besides, if Isles did trade down, as I said, it would be for D and a now player coming back. A top four pick in this draft is worth more than a 7th to 9th overall, and a 15th to 20th overall.
by CanadianIsleslifer on Feb 21, 2011 1:26 AM EST up reply actions
Saad has usually been looked at as a #5 or #6
Doubt he’ll be there at #7 much less #9. Certainly not 15-20. Landeskog is a stretch to be thought of as a #1. Earliest he is likely to go is #3 and #4 or #5 is more likely.
The 15 to 20 range is Mika…Landeskog was projected a potential number one by central scouting prior to his injury. He knocked out Couturier. Larrson has since moved back, with some putting RNH there.
by CanadianIsleslifer on Feb 21, 2011 1:44 AM EST up reply actions
OK
I know CS had Landeskog at #1, but it just will not happen. Not with two potential franchise centers and a franchise defenseman available. He’s a stretch at #3 and that’s only if the Isles are picking and Garth and the scouts are in love with him.
I would agree
that Landeskog is either going 4th or 3rd, but your overrating Saad. Hamilton and Hibideau (forget name spelling) are both ranked higher.
by CanadianIsleslifer on Feb 21, 2011 11:10 PM EST up reply actions
Please, there is a way to just make this a lot easier.
You should have just posted a link. I’ve seen Saad as high as 5th overall and as low as 16th overall. But usually in the 5-10 range.
And on the topic of saad, most consider him a future 3rd to 2nd liner. I’ve read some think he will become a 30goal scorer, I don’t see it, especially given his ohl stats, unless he is refusing to shoot the puck down there. 30goals/yr is elite goalscoring status, and no way he deserves that projection at all yet. 20-25goal upside? Maybe. I’ve read someone say they think he is similar to Okposo, a bigger KO, very similar games but I don’t know if saad is that high of a talent or if that was a loose comparison. Honestly, not sure I’d trade away a couturier/RNH/Hamilton down for saad and safer picks. And definitely not someone I’d trade down Landeskog or Larsson for, but I think we’ve covered that. My 2 cents.
And lastly on the topic of trading down, not something you wanna do in a weak draft. Something you absolutely consider in a deep draftm but something that is usually shyed away from in a weak draft like this. But maybe the isles have their eye on some deeper prospects they’re high on, who knows.
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http://www.nhl.com/ice/recap.htm?id=2010020823&navid=sb:recap
depends on how the Isles assess
which may be very different from what we see in the media. Also depends on what might be offered. It probably will not happen, I agree.
another consideration...
we know when Snow did it it was b/c he had the first pick after top talent level dropped…Everyone knew Schenn – the big right physcial D factor – was ranked first after them. We all know Snow theorized he could get Schenn’s skill set in later rounds, which he did. But just to show what a gamble he made, what happens if someone else drafted Hamonic prior to the Isles late and last of three second rounders? The debate would have been a lot more hostile. Bailey or one of Schenn, Wilson. Not the same debate anymore. Now magnify that risk from moving out of top skill set without getting anything but draft picks in return.
by CanadianIsleslifer on Feb 21, 2011 7:33 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
i oppose the isles getting a guy named
Saad… if only because the media will create 50 headlines to rip on us
Another Saad day in Isles Country
Saad State of Affairs as isles waste chance for a top 3 pick
Saadly for isles, no one is at the wheel when it comes time for the draft
you get the gist…
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by bob l on Feb 21, 2011 9:04 AM EST up reply actions 3 recs
I remember George Carlin's
Saab skit…“What’d you buy a Swedish piece of shit like that for?”
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most people who scout a Saad
…eventually draft a Saad.
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by mikb on Feb 22, 2011 11:22 AM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Damn!
That was good!
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by Keith Quinn on Feb 22, 2011 11:41 AM EST up reply actions
This is 100% true.
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by TheMetalChick on Feb 21, 2011 10:09 AM EST up reply actions
And you keep up yours!
Cool to hear your stuff from the “other side of the pond.”
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I got into it with "The Wrecker"
So I went to the game in Hershey yesterday an had seats 5-6 rows from the penalty box. When he was in after a fight, I kept chipring at him about how he couldn’t hack it with the isles and calling his name out. Towards the end of his time he turned around and kept yelling “why don’t you come down here!” lol. I told him I couldn’t since I didn’t have skates and was wearing boots. He kept gesturing towards me the rest of the game from his bench where he stood and opened and closed the door for most of the rest of the game. Everyone hated me there. I had q great time. Oh and our powerplay looked really good. Very nice puck movement.
by themass on Feb 20, 2011 12:30 PM EST via mobile reply actions
That’s great, how did he manage a goal?
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Deflection from the top of the crease from a point shot
by themass on Feb 20, 2011 12:55 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
you did something right
He was annoyed enough to score a goal.
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by JPinVA on Feb 20, 2011 6:34 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
he's still around????????
i thought you guys meant him but then i said nahhh he’s gotta be long gone
I didn't think he was still in our system.
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http://www.nhl.com/ice/recap.htm?id=2010020823&navid=sb:recap
Glad to see Gregoire & Nelson continue getting time together.
Gregoire has been on a tear since coming back from injury. I hope he makes it to the big league one day.
You mean to tell me shooting the puck from 70 feet out doesn't earn us extra goals?
Toews
Interesting that he’s resurrected himself there. Can’t remember if his departure from NCAA was purely ice time or also academic disinterest.
Drives home the point that NCAA vs. Juniors is not an easy direct comparison. Ice time and opportunity, and the age and size of opponents are big factors. Viva Anders Lee.
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Toews has definitely been getting better as the season goes on, its nice to see
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It's interesting (and a little sad)
that you put the getting of a non regulation loss as part of the “good” in BP this week.
Here’s to the day when the Isles have enough depth to ice competitive teams at both levels.
NTIPC
by Nova Scotia Isles Fan on Feb 20, 2011 2:46 PM EST reply actions
I mean...we're usually fine in BP, but when you have
400 man games lost in the NHL, and on your 6th goalie in the NHL. no matter what your depth is, your AHL team will suffer
by Meet Me at the Lighthouse on Feb 20, 2011 3:19 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Just checked
Bridgeport is beating Manchester 2-0 after the second. hopefully they can hang on for the win
Isles injuries have decimated them
Not to mention their own injuries. Its been unreal.
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by TheMetalChick on Feb 21, 2011 10:09 AM EST up reply actions
but on good side..
outside of KO, the core forwards have been reasonably healthy.
by CanadianIsleslifer on Feb 21, 2011 7:34 PM EST up reply actions
De Haan? DeHart?Cizikas?
I seem to think although he has a lot of points, he starts with the Sound Tigers next season. Possibly DeHart and Cizikas too.
Any task BIG or small, Do it well or not at all
DeHart is definitely in BP next year, same with Cizikas
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I would also wager
de Haan won’t be back in Oshawa next year. Whether he’s in Nassau or Bridgeport remains to be seen.
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by David Hanssen on Feb 20, 2011 5:01 PM EST up reply actions
agreed
I think De Haan has learned all he ever will in junior. He needs to move on. I am hoping it is Bridgeport. Let the kid develop before calling him up.
by CanadianIsleslifer on Feb 20, 2011 6:30 PM EST up reply actions
Eh
The guy was the last cut defenseman this year, I think he’ll see top 4 minutes with the Isles next year.
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by David Hanssen on Feb 20, 2011 6:42 PM EST up reply actions
Hamonic was the last cut. DeHaan, 2nd to last. Just saying. lol
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http://www.nhl.com/ice/recap.htm?id=2010020823&navid=sb:recap
Nope, de Haan was. de Haan was sent back to Juniors after Hamonic was demoted to Bridgeport. The plan early on was for Hamonic to play the entire year in Bridgeport. Obviously injuries got in the way of that.
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by David Hanssen on Feb 20, 2011 8:47 PM EST up reply actions
Proof
Here are the links from the official site:
Hamonic reassigned October 3rd
de Haan returned to Oshawa October 6th
Nice revisionist history on your part. You’re becoming an expert on it.
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by David Hanssen on Feb 20, 2011 8:56 PM EST up reply actions
Your right, I was thinking martin vs sim. Instead of hamonic and dehaan.
And thanks for taking it one step further with a wise crack. I guess any demeaning person on this site can get a moderator job, and thanks for showing an example of this. Where the hell is my revisionist record bad? Name a few instances of how my revisionist history is bad.
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http://www.nhl.com/ice/recap.htm?id=2010020823&navid=sb:recap
And I'm surprised if the isles were so high on him, why did he never see a 9gm tryout?
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http://www.nhl.com/ice/recap.htm?id=2010020823&navid=sb:recap
Last year he wasn’t signed to an ELC yet and this year before the injuries, there was more depth on the blueline than at forward. That’s why Nino got the tryout and de Haan didn’t. I don’t think they would have kept de Haan up if he was going to get less than Top 4 minutes a game, and he wasn’t with MacDonald, Martinek, Mottau and Eaton taking those top 4 spots at the beginning of the year and Gervais, Hillen and Jurcina rotating the final two spots on the blueline. The situation with Nino was a bit different due to there being less depth on the wing than there was on the blueline at the beginning of the season. Still, he only saw 3rd-4th line minutes.
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by David Hanssen on Feb 20, 2011 8:52 PM EST up reply actions
I know, gordon said he dehaan wouldn't make the team unless he was a steady top 4 minutes guy, but if everyone was so high on him,
I’d thought he would have been given a 9gm tryout with the team to see if he was more suitable for a top 4 job this year then eaton or possibly an aging martinek. Whatever. No biggie.
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http://www.nhl.com/ice/recap.htm?id=2010020823&navid=sb:recap
De Haan was only 5’11 165 pounds when drafted/ if memory is correct, i think he was up to 170 by opening season 2009-10. To put a kid that small into the NHL on defense in my mind would have been dangerous for De Haan’s health and development. Nino already had an NHL size body when drafted. De Haan is now 6’1 193 pounds or so. Still needs to add some more muscle in my view. His model is Tomas Kaberle who is 6’1 214 pounds.
by CanadianIsleslifer on Feb 20, 2011 10:14 PM EST up reply actions
geez he's already bigger than some current NHL defensemen
I think the size thing is overdone.
by BCISLEMAN on Feb 20, 2011 11:58 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
remember Tim Connelly
and Calvin has had injury problems. A bigger, more developed Calvin will fair better in the show…and as Web point out, the minors will not hurt his growth.
by CanadianIsleslifer on Feb 21, 2011 12:06 AM EST up reply actions
It's worrisome though BC, as canadianisleslifer says,
there are instances of small nhl players doing fine and their are instances of small nhl players being injury prone. It’s honestly makes me and obviously a couple other’s worrisome about de haan given his injuries the last couple years, and the fact how hard some d-men are run in this league(hillen-example).
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http://www.nhl.com/ice/recap.htm?id=2010020823&navid=sb:recap
not sure that size is such a big factor
EDM prospect Plante is an ox and look at the problems he has had.
size is a factor in NHL and football. A small player has to overcome a lot more than someone gifted with size. Doesn’t mean he can’t make it, but certainly does mean it is something that has to be overcome. Milbury’s rationale for not giving Peca 10 years when Wang wanted was b/c he was small, and likely to have injuries. Plante, if he wasn’t so huge, probably is not in NHL.
by CanadianIsleslifer on Feb 21, 2011 7:37 PM EST up reply actions
NO...
B/C your failing to admit that RNH is 6’1 and, you falsely assumed that he can’t take the physical play when that flies in the face of his scouting reports, and the results he has produced in the most physical Canadian Junior Hockey League. He doesn’t dish it out, but he can take it. As youngest of top four, he can only grow, can’t shrink. And it is obvious the kid will fill out more when he grows into his mansize. He isn’t going to stay a skinny 17 year old forever.
by CanadianIsleslifer on Feb 21, 2011 11:14 PM EST up reply actions
Grabner
6’ 170 barely ever gets hit because of his speed
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by Keith Quinn on Feb 21, 2011 11:24 PM EST up reply actions
I wouldn't say barely gets hit, I've seen him get destroyed a few times this year from hits I didn't think he'd get back up from quickly.
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http://www.nhl.com/ice/recap.htm?id=2010020823&navid=sb:recap
No one has ever been hurt by spending more time in JRs/Minors
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by Mark D on Feb 20, 2011 11:27 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
I absolutely agree,
I just wanted to point out though, for a player everyone seems to be so high on, and that the team is supposedly high on, I find it really weird that he was never given a 9gm tryout. Especially this year, where he ended/came into camp around 189lbs.
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http://www.nhl.com/ice/recap.htm?id=2010020823&navid=sb:recap
Is it me? Or ...
Are the Twin Kirills kinda dead in the water the last month or so?
Ehhhh … we have bigger fish to fry. Need more defense depth.
by 19 Isle in NJ 22 on Feb 20, 2011 3:41 PM EST reply actions
I think it's more Petrov
It seems he’s been having bad weeks while Kabonov has been mediocre.
Constantly building for the future.
Kabanov is okay, he has some really good games too and I know he has some star of the night appearances
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by Mark D on Feb 20, 2011 4:12 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
yes and he's still on the fourth line, no?
When Petrov’s deal is up next year, hopefully he’ll come over and spend time in Bridgeport and we’’l have a better idea of what we have in him.
if he couldn’t get out of his contract last year, can’t see it this coming fall. I gave up on the Kirils anyway, but I think Petrov comes over after the Russian contract runs out next year.
by CanadianIsleslifer on Feb 21, 2011 12:08 AM EST up reply actions
I think I just said that
Kabanov is hardly one to give up on. He has lost none of his talent and he is learning to be a good NHL forward. Perfect scenario. Just what the Wings did with Federov.
Kabanov's numbers...
are nothing to write home about, certainly not impressive. Never said give up on him, said I have…anything he does is gravy, hope he pans out, but not counting on it. He was, afterall, a third round gamble. If you compare Kabanov’s stats to every other player with similar stats, he’s certainly not among the elite.
by CanadianIsleslifer on Feb 21, 2011 12:31 AM EST up reply actions
Part of me wonders if Petrov just wants to get out of his contract.
Perhaps this is part of a plan?
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by TheMetalChick on Feb 20, 2011 4:35 PM EST up reply actions
Doubt it
He has 19 points which is top ten on the team and the pointsleader on the team only has 30. It’s also a pretty young team that’s not scoring much.
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This is one of the reasons...
I think the Isles need to get rid of an asset for a top AHL center. I wouldn’t mind having Hilbert down there next year, but they are going to need a guy there that can run with Rhett, Kabanov, Ullstrom (who has been a center this year), DiBo, and Figren. We need to see if they can be productive professionals in their early twenties. It’s hard to guage them now because there isn’t one top experienced pivot on that team.
Casey will help, but it will be his first year. It would be nice to see them talk Lee into a pro career… but that’s gonna be a tough sell.
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Or Justin Mapletoft!
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by David Hanssen on Feb 20, 2011 7:57 PM EST up reply actions
if it were a big issue the Sound Tigers would sign someone themselves
There are always AHL lifers who don’t want to chase the money in Russia or Sweden who are willing to sign AHL contracts and be The Man on their level. Bridgeport could grab a guy like that themselves, rather than force the Islanders to spend one of their 50 roster spots on a guy. It’s more flexibility for the player and the parent club.
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Bridgeport Today
Beat Manchester 4-2. The losing streak is dead, long live the losing streak!
Hat trick from David Ullstrom, 2 second period goals and an empty netter to finish up the scoring. He now has 12 on the year, 30 points overall. 3 assists for DiBenedetto, the other Bridgeport goal came from Brandon Svendsen. Koskinen gets the win, stopping 20 of 22 shots.
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I was just about to post this.
We should start a pool on how many shots Mikko lasts next game.
But otherwise good news,
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...the hell?
In the middle of a hockey thread, I get the credits to “Love American Style”???
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Another great job Webby
Thanks. I really enjoyed the Portland 5 goals in 2 Mins. I have really liked what Joensuu has done on the RW with Comeau and Bailey… I really think that line and it’s members will be the determining factor on the Nino decision.
Considering roster availability… top six are locks. (Moulson, JT, PAP, GraBS, fRANS, KO) Bailey isn’t going anywhere. Comeau has had a terrific year minus 20 games… he has been a worthy middle six forward… can’t see them giving up on him at 25. So the competition for Nino is Hunter, RSH, Joensuu, Haley, Martin, Rhett, Ulstrom, DiBo and figren.
This is an excellent position for the Isles… not so much for young Nino.
Hunter is making $2M… giving Nino a roster spot means Hunter is on the fourth line, or walks the waiver wire to BPT.
RSH… I love carrying him as a depth center and skilled LW… but his inability to help at BPT makes him an expendable asset. If he’s here next year I can’t see Nino making the team.
Joensuu… He has shown that he can play at this level… but only at a c grade level. I’d still rather see more of Jesse who can float from the NHL to AHL with little risk. Jesse will be an extended RFA due to his two way flexibility… and if he develops some finnish (get it?) he could be a real size asset.
Haley is a nice piece because he can fill that fourth line RW/C role should they lose Hunter or Konopka. He can skate and handle PK responsibilities. If anybody is in danger of losing their Islander role because of a squeeze from Cizikas and Haley it’s Colliton.
Martin was there as a fourth line hitting machine… I really don’t want Nino in that role next year. I’d much rather him have 18 mins in Portland and the WJC than have him getting 6 mins in Uniondale. Martin can also be shuttled to BPT, which is not an option with Nino next year. Managing his assets is becoming more and more important as the inventory grows for Snow.
Rhett should get 30 games in a middle six RW spot next year either through injury or meritocracy. Of course he’d have to earn it with solid play through the end of this year, but Rhett already went the long way through 4 years of college… so he’s gonna be a short term project in the AHL… and they will need a good sample size on him next year. He may be a solid fit in that third RW spot with PK responsibilities as well.. he was an AHL all-star and played great with Bailey… and he also had a nice showing in the WJC with Kyle.
Ullstrom, Dibo and Figren are paying their dues now. They will have AHL/NHL flexibility next year, so should be good depth options…
I find it hard, given all of that info, that Snow will allow Nino to make it or break it in his first ELC year. There is just no need for it. If he does think that it’s the way to go then he needs to get something for Comeau RIGHT NOW!
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by JPinVA on Feb 20, 2011 7:08 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
Thank you, I enjoyed the read. My quick thoughts
giving Nino a roster spot means Hunter is on the fourth line, or walks the waiver wire to BPT.
Mottau will be waived before Hunter, and Hunter will be on the fourth line unless something surprising happens.
I thought Joensuu was done this year, but he’s been steadily improving, definitely deserves at least 1 full season in the NHL.
Rhett, Ullstrom, Figren and Dibo could all use more time in BP. Dibo if he continues on the tear he’s on might get a shot in camp.
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Joensuu has surprised me since his latest call up. He seems to have more life in his game, whether showing on the scoreboard or not.
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And never forget "The Twisted Sister-We're Not Gonna Take it Retribution Game" against the pens where we beat their ass on the scoreboard 9-3 and on the ice, getting retribution for their cheapshotting wussy asses!:
http://www.nhl.com/ice/recap.htm?id=2010020823&navid=sb:recap
Considering roster availability… top six are locks. (Moulson, JT, PAP, GraBS, fRANS, KO)
Seriously, WHEN was the last time we ever heard that? That just feels good to read.
by Fabtraption on Feb 20, 2011 8:44 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
great breakdown
only thing i’d say in Colliton’s favour is that he is the only right shooting centre Isles have. Not saying he is our Billy Carroll.
by CanadianIsleslifer on Feb 20, 2011 10:20 PM EST up reply actions
Great fight in the Bridgeport Hershey game
http://www.hockeyfights.com/forums/f44/bridgeport-hershey-2-19-11-a-155882/
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by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Feb 20, 2011 8:39 PM EST reply actions
that Gallant is tough. is he signed by Isles? I can’t believe how small he is for such a tough guy.
by CanadianIsleslifer on Feb 20, 2011 10:25 PM EST up reply actions
Mario Lemeiux just wrote another sad letter
Fast strikers, give the defenders difficulty!
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by BCISLEMAN on Feb 21, 2011 12:01 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
lol
Proud Islanders fan, the organization that iced the greatest team to ever play the game and won 4 straight cups. Best overall player in the nhl right now=Pavel Datsyuk.
And never forget "The Twisted Sister-We're Not Gonna Take it Retribution Game" against the pens where we beat their ass on the scoreboard 9-3 and on the ice, getting retribution for their cheapshotting wussy asses!:
http://www.nhl.com/ice/recap.htm?id=2010020823&navid=sb:recap
Can someone explain to me why Nino Can't pklay at Bridgeport next season?
Bailey did it? Noone seems to have a problem putting DeHaan there nest season.
Why can’t the isles let him get top 6 minutes in Bridgeport next year?
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CBA rules
It’s in the CBA — players drafted from major juniors have to be offered back to their junior teams before being assigned to the AHL, and that remains true for (usually) the first two years after they are drafted. It’s why Nino couldn’t be in Bridgeport this year and can’t next year, either.
There are some rare exceptions, including a “conditioning” stint for Brayden Schenn this year, and in the rare (unheard of?) case where their junior team doesn’t want the kid back.
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speaking of rules
Assuming we do draft Larsson and it is decided we want him over here for 2011-12 and he agrees, what are the rules about buying out his last year at Skelleftea?
It's not clear to me
And the transfer agreement’s full details don’t appear to be available anywhere. I don’t know if there is even a “buyout” option or if it’s just a matter of compensation if the player moves over to the NHL. Here’s the best info I’ve ever seen on it, and that’s still from just after the agreement was finalized:
The NHL will play $225,000 U.S. for each player that leaves the Eliteserien, which is an increase of $25,000 compared to the previous agreement. The deadline for the transfer of players signed to contracts is June 15th, and, for players who are signed during their NHL Entry Draft year, August 15.
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presumably of course this by agreement with the player and the team
Well, I sure hope that we have that problem to work out this summer!!! Could even be that they just decide to let him play over there another year.
I think it might not be a problem at all, unless he wants to stay
At the IIHF site:
NHL teams can sign any player, even if under contract, but the NHL pays a development contribution of 225,000 dollars per player.
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May 24, 1980: Tonelli to Nystrom. At long last, the steady build of the New York Islanders from expansion doormat to surprise semifinalist to annual contender reaches the promised land: Buoyed by a late season trade for Butch Goring that gave the team the depth up the middle GM Bill Torrey had been seeking, the Islanders knock off the Philadelphia Flyers in six games.
The victory justified the faith in coach Al Arbour who guided them from their second season to their first Stanley Cup seven seasons later. The Islanders would not be the first expansion team to win the Stanley Cup, but they would be the only one capable of a dynasty.
1980-81
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May 21, 1981: This time it was much easier. After falling to "only" 91 points in the 1979-80 season, the Islanders returned to their division title tradition, piling up 110 points -- a whole 13 points over second-place Philadelphia.
Between the quarterfinals (where they beat the upstart Oilers in six games) and the finals, the Islanders reeled off eight consecutive wins -- with a four-game sweep of archrival Rangers in between. As they defeated the Minnesota North Stars in five games for their second Cup, their goal difference in the final was a combined +10.
1981-82
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May 16, 1982: Another year, another landslide title. The Islanders won the Patrick Division by a whopping 26 points over the second-place Rangers, and were seven points clear of their nearest competition for the President's Trophy, the still-not-quite-ripe Edmonton Oilers.
A first-round scare against the Pittsburgh Penguins turned in the Isles' favor thanks to John Tonelli's heroics, and a true dynasty was on its way: Past the Rangers in six games, then an eight-game sweep of the Quebec Nordiques and Vancouver Canucks to run away with the Stanley Cup.
1982-83
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May 17, 1983: Not so fast, whipper-snappers. The Edmonton Oilers' steadily rising challenge for league supremacy took them all the way to the finals for the first time, where the New York Islanders summarily dispatched them in a four-game sweep. For the Islanders, the Dynasty was secured. For the Oilers, it was a powerful lesson in where talent ends and the demands of playoff hockey begin.
Four years, four Cups, 16 consecutive playoff series wins (a record that would grow to 19 until the rematch with the Oilers the following year). Mike Bossy scored 60 goals yet again, and Wayne Gretzky became acquainted with Billy Smith's crease.
