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Brad Dalgarno, the Joey Kocur Fight, and Timeless Hockey Themes

This is how time and memory and diversion stumble together through life in uncoordinated yet serendipitous collaboration: Last week in a power rankings post on this site -- a site that is part-info aggregator, part fellowship of hockey fans -- the comments turned to speedy former Islander Claude LaPointe, which turned to Marty McInnis, which turned to McInnis' "Kid Line" mate Brad Dalgarno. (Travis Future "Gutless Puke" Green was the third Kid.)

Dalgarno was a bigger player but was thought not to use his size with the appropriate ferocity '80s hockey demanded. Why was that? Some remembered injuries, and some remembered an infamous fight with Joey Kocur and a particularly devastating injury that ended his career ... until he started anew. I remembered Dalgarno talking about that in a podcast a few years ago, which I'll get to in a moment.

The third leg of this happenstance triangle, and why in 2011 I bring up a 1985 Islanders draft pick who last played in 1996, is an article just posted at Grantland, which itself is about an article from 1990 ... which was not about Dalgarno at all but rather about the fierce Kocur and the curious existence of NHL enforcers.

Putting these three legs together is a fun look back across the decades into themes that are ingrained in hockey of any era: The insane yet somehow relevant existence of fighting, the primal ambiguous trait of "toughness," the entertainment (including both of those traits) that draws us to this game, and the perseverance through injuries that, frankly, would cause most of us to call in sick for work.

Star-divide

The Beginning

Brad Dalgarno was a first-round pick, sixth overall. This was a big deal, though not as sure a thing as it is in today's hyper-scouted day and age. Still, before the mid-'80s, a New York Islanders first-round pick usually meant fantastic things. But longtime fans will tell you Dalgarno was part of a string of firsts that, at minimum, did not measure up (often worsened by injury) and certainly did not prevent the fabled Islanders dynasty's decline: Names like the late Duncan MacPherson, Dean Chynoweth, Kevin Cheveldayoff, Dave Chyzowski, Scott Scissons. Tom Fitzgerald is in that run and played 1,097 NHL games, but still: Not a game-breaker.

Dalgarno might have been different. A 6'3", 200-lb. winger with some scoring punch. (Islanders winger Derek King, incidentally, was selected seven picks behind Dalgarno in 1985 and scored 261 NHL goals.)

After a couple of seasons of call-ups, Dalgarno made the team for good -- or not, it turned out -- in 1988-89, putting up 11 goals in 55 games at age 21.

Then he fought Joey Kocur.

The Kocur-Dalgarno Fight


It's actually nowhere near as bad as legend says, as memory tries to tell you, as a devastating injury history would make you think. In fact, Dalgarno landed several early punches against the fearsome Kocur. The problem, it seems, was the one punch Kocur landed. Kocur's punches were legend.

From the Grantland piece (which again, is mostly from a Johnette Howard piece in The National in February 1990):

Kocur flattened New York Islanders winger Brad Dalgarno with a single wallop, then watched Dalgarno teeter off the ice, only to learn later that he'd fractured Dalgarno's left eye orbit, his cheekbone, and — people now whisper — his resolve to go on.

h/t to LHH reader NHL Fan for calling this article to my attention.

You might think from that clip, or you might remember from those hazy days, that Dalgarno simply bought off more than he could chew. But here is his 1990 self describing what happened [same article]:

Dalgarno has heard the explanations of why Kocur stalked him for two shifts during that game last February: that the Red Wings thought the six foot three, 215-pound Dalgarno had earlier put too aggressive a cross-check on Gilbert Delorme, that the penalty Dalgarno received wasn't enough.

"In the first place, I thought the penalty was a rather questionable call," Dalgarno says. "But sure enough, two shifts later, Kocur was out on the ice every time I came out. I was kind of, well, nervous. I knew he was tough, and the guys on my team kept skating by and telling me, 'Be careful, be careful Brad. He's out to get you. He's a dangerous guy.' And sure enough, after two shifts, we were fighting."

This opens up a can-of-worms topic that plagued us in those days and plagues us now in the era of the instigator: Take a liberty with an opponent, and his enforcer might stalk you. But what if the liberty wasn't quite the severe liberty some thought? Or even granting it was -- note at the time of the fight, in the play-by-play you hear Jiggs McDonald saying Delorme had not returned, but he definitely played the next game -- does it warrant a crushing blow to the temple?

The Grantland (National) article -- I'm not going to excerpt every relevant part here, and I encourage you to read it yourself -- goes on to say how Dalgarno always battled the coaches and peer pressure that tried to turn him into some kind of fighter just because of his size.

It seems there was even more than that dilemma going on, and I bet it's a dilemma many fans with a love-hate view of hockey and its awkward embrace of violence also face. While recuperating at home, someone sent Dalgarno an article from Detroit where Delorme and others basically said Dalgarno deserved what he got:

"I remember I just thought, 'Wait a minute. Who deserved what?' Where's the justice, the value, in that?"

"The doctors had to drill a hole in the side of my head [during surgery]. I could've lost my left eye, or my eye could've sunk into my orbital bone and I would've lost my vision. The nerves in the left side of my face might never have rematerialized. Fortunately they have, or I'd look like I had a stroke. I thought, 'Deserves it, deserves it? Who deserves that?' "

There's more in that article, and it's worth a read for the overall picture as well. Suffice to say, for once Dalgarno -- who felt "trapped" in the game like many players who'd grown up with it and knew nothing else -- felt fine with quitting the game. So he did, rather than accept a demotion and carry on in this state.

Here's what he told The Hockey News at the time:

"I'm going on sabbatical," Dalgarno told The Hockey News' Sherry Ross. "I don't want to play anywhere else. My wife, Lesley, has two degrees and is a capable teacher, and I have a lot of energy that I can put into other fields." At the time, Dalgarno was considering a career in marketing and was prepared to resume his education. He said hockey "by far was not my life" and that he had lost his early love for the game.

But that's not where it ends.

A Second Career

This is where that podcast that bounced around my memory comes in. Turns out it was from 2007, shortly before Al Arbour's one-game comeback to reach 1,500 games, when Rob Kowal had Dalgarno on his New York Hockey Talk podcast. [It's the Nov. 4, 2007 episode in that link, beginning around 24 minutes in. He tells some good Darius Kasparaitis tales, too.]:

"That year [1988-89] was a write-off after that. The left side of my face, he hit me once on the temple -- didn't cut me or anything but busted the orbital bone and cheek bones and, my gosh, it took the rest of that year to recover physically.

"But the next year I certainly hadn't recovered mentally in terms of my approach, in terms of my role and what I needed to do. So that next training camp, things just didn't go well, I didn't feel right at all. Very unsure of myself in a lot of ways."

Remember, that Grantland (really, The National) article was published in 1990. It's a voice from two decades ago. In that version, that's where the story ends: "Dalgarno, age twenty-two, a former number one draft pick, a potential twenty-five-goals-a-year scorer — officially retired."

Indeed, Dalgarno retired. Went back to school. You could say Kocur ended it for him. You could say he was never tough enough to hack it anyway. You could say he was just an NHL version of Ned Braden, the character in Slapshot who finds the goon-it-up show such a mockery that it makes it tough to carry on in the sport, with this cognitive dissonance constantly on the mind.

But that's not how it ended for Dalgarno. That year off -- as a student, a retired NHLer -- Dalgarno took in a Leafs game at the end of that year and bumped into Isles GM Bill Torrey. In that 2007 podcast Dalgarno explained what happened next:

"Next morning I got a call from my agent. ... Things had changed for me personally in terms of my approach. I made the effort to come back, and the first day of training camp I lost six teeth with a broken jaw. ... But I stuck it out and had a great 'second career' as I call it."

And it was a second career. From "bust" to flame-out to "big guy who wouldn't play big," Dalgarno comes back to be a regular. He tops out at 15 goals in a single season, but he's also part of that beloved 1993 team that stopped the Penguins' dynasty hunt and -- yikes -- is still the last Islanders squad to win a playoff series.

In that second career, he became "something of a banger" who "battles in the corners and kills penalties." Yet at age 27 young wingers like Brett Lindros and Ziggy Palffy were on their way, and Dalgarno's second career was nearing its end.

That is where that final theme comes in: Dalgarno only played 226 regular season games after his comeback, spread across six NHL seasons. For a guy who quit after an injury, he sure played through a lot of them.

His bio sheet's "awards and miscellaneous" reads like a patient's record, with a broken wrist, shoulder surgery, recurring shoulder injuries, hernia surgery and, finally, another wrist surgery that put an end to his NHL career.

A guy who once lost his love for the game, whose ethos was questioned, took a year off and salvaged several more years of fun in the league. Nothing flashy, not 6th-overall stardom, but something worthwhile and a "second career" one gathers he wouldn't trade for anything. Rather than going down in a heap and never putting on skates again, he still does charity games and related expressions of the game. He still enjoys the game.

The After-School Special Coda

It was fun digging up this background and putting it together and setting my memory straight. The whole saga reminds me of when kids get burned out by sports thanks to oppressive parents, misguided coaches or the sheer repetition of it all. I only play rec hockey and watch the NHL as a fan, but even I've been there with this beloved sport: on a bad team, or with a soul-sucking coach, or when injuries pile up and make it a pain or -- as a fan -- when the league shuts down for an entire damn year.

You can get burned out on anything in life, whether out of loss of interest or from external or societal issues that taint what you once enjoyed. But it seems in those low moments if you step back, take a breath and give yourself the space to see it in a new light, you might be able to return and enjoy it in a whole new way. It sounds like Brad Dalgarno did. It sounds like that's a tale worth remembering for a rainy day.

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Hockey reality

Although the whole episode is distasteful no matter how you look at it, it does show a side of ice hockey that is all too real. There is such a thing as justice (or injustice) on the ice. Always has been, probably always will be. Its one of the reasons I have constantly been harping about the Islanders need to carry a player like Haley.
If memory serves me right, that team in ‘90 had Vukota and Baumgartner, and still this happened. You would have thought one of those two would have made sure that this kid did not fight Kocur (from the article it sounds like the whole team knew it was going to happen). But alas, they did not, and the result was almost catastrophic.
I don’t even want Martin fighting anymore, no less one of our prize youngsters.
Good article, Dominik.

by JackandAce on Dec 7, 2011 10:42 PM EST reply actions  

Umm

Your whole point — this destroys it?


If memory serves me right, that team in ‘90 had Vukota and Baumgartner, and still this happened.

=d

by AP77 on Dec 7, 2011 11:03 PM EST up reply actions  

Agreed...

Gillies or Haley can’t fix this. This is fixed when the league eliminates GOONERY. As much as I thought they needed Gillies and Haley around last year, I believe they are the vaccine, not the cure. When you get the flu shot, all you are really doing is giving yourself the flu… just in a small dose to protect yourself from the real thing.
I’ve previously laid out my thoughts on how I think the league could get rid of GOONERY without abolishing fighting. Not that it would be simple, but I think it could be done.

I may have read too much into this, but I thought it was about so much more than Joey Kocur going after Brad Dalgarno. Besides the courage that Dalgarno showed, it also may throw a little light on what’s been going on with this team over the last six or so years. It is especially important to think of the pieces being gathered during the “rebuild”.
The importance of Gillies was shown in Sean Bergenhiem. Sean played with a sense of confidence in his last year with the team. Not because he knew Gillies would fight his battles, but because Gillies showed these guys they could stand up for themselves. That’s why I like him hanging around Bridgeport. I want a team that skates away 90% of the time… let the refs and the shanahammer take care of it. But that 10% of the time the closest guy to the action (Like Martin v Fistric) That’s gonna happen… the crime was committed, everybody saw it, and you can’t wait for the cops to get there. Waiting shifts, games, seasons to exact justice? It’s a GAME. If it’s the two people involved, okay… if it’s a GOON sent to do the teams bidding. Not so cool.
The whole Pittsburg thing last year was because there was nobody on the ice that stood up for Comeau or Dipietro… Especially Comeau himself. When I think of Blake Comeau this scene always comes to mind.

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by JPinVA on Dec 7, 2011 11:46 PM EST up reply actions  

Ahhh
I believe they are the vaccine, not the cure.

Nicely coined. Agree with the 90%/10% thing too. I know we’ve talked about this before, but that vaccine/cure thing is why outright banning won’t work, either. Like pretending the disease will just go away.

Although with the hard line Shanahan’s taken on hitting vulnerable players, for the first time I think one day legislation could be harsh enough to get rid of goonery without doing a straight ban of fighting. (And of course hanging in the background is the entertainment draw of arranged engagements in every rink from Red Deer to St. John’s to Raleigh.)

When I think back to how fighting was (and other evolutions) in the 70s, 80s, and now, I realize I have no idea what fighting will look like in 2025.

Lighthouse Hockey: A flute with no holes is not a flute. A Dane with no holes is Frans Nielsen.

by Dominik on Dec 8, 2011 12:56 AM EST up reply actions  

Love the Bad News Bears clip!

Perfect analogy too. I’m reminded of Trevor Gillies defending JT last year against Columbus: Jared Boll takes a cheap shot and Stache lets him know it’s not appreciated. That’s hockey.

Over on some other messageboards, I’m seeing some people wonder how the Islanders will retaliate against Fistric next Thursday when the Dallas Stars come to The Old Barn. But the way I see it, the matter has already been settled, not by the suspension, but by Matt Martin taking on Fistric IMMEDIATELY AFTER Nino got leveled. The retaliation already happened. If the league banished fighting though, teams would resort to other (potentially more dangerous) means of retaliation.

I would also argue that we’re seeing Goons being phased out of the game, not because teams feel morally obligated to do so, but because the goons are taking up a roster spot that is needed for a more skilled player. Case in point: Trevor Gillies. I LOVE the guy, but as a typical enforcer, he has no other skills besides fighting. He’s a liability on the offensive end, he’s a liability on the defensive side, he can’t be used on special teams. So… of course, the Islanders are going to call up someone like Tim Wallace over Gillies. I think most teams are finding themselves in that situation.

Oh, and great article, Dom!

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by Captdallas on Dec 8, 2011 8:06 AM EST up reply actions  

Read the instigator rule sometime

Apparently now the only way to get into a fight in the NHL at least from the way I read the rule is by appointment. It’s a little odd, and a little disappointing. I agree with everything you said in this, but the real way to change things is to rewrite the damned instigator rule.

by IDCWhoYouLike on Dec 8, 2011 12:52 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't like the instigator either...

and they don’t enforce it properly. It’s like HOLDING in the NFL… it is selevctively called. Usually used to even the playing field. There is holding on every running play, so when you see a flag for it… you know the zebra’s are driving the action.
Same goes for the instigator. Post Islander/Penguin brawl-fest the refs have had a hair trigger on in games involving the Islanders.
It’s funny though, that Matt Martin has tried to avoid dropping the gloves three times, and hasn’t drawn one of those penalties. The most recent was against Bogosian. In that particular instance when Gerbe throws three punches at Nino, is that not instigating?
I don’t the instigator being enforced properly, and I really don’t like it when they use it at their own discretion.

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by JPinVA on Dec 9, 2011 1:33 PM EST up reply actions  

That is why I said it

I am mystified as to how those two, and yes Pilon, let that happen.
But directly to Haley, let me show you why I like him in that role. It was not the Pittsburgh game, although he did what he was supposed to do there, it was a few games later against the Rangers.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=koFs3__fMa8

From the beginning of the clip, if you keep your eye on the front of the net, you see that Avery is trying to goad Hamonic into a something (fight, penalty, whatever). Now, Hamonic was a rookie, and clearly developing into one our best players. I am sure he would not be afraid to take on Avery, but that is not the point.
The point is that Haley was not going to let that happen- he was not going to let Avery even attempt to throw Hamonic off his game. The issue is that in a fight, even if the results are not as bad as Dalgarno, bad things can happen (broken hand, thumb, 15 minutes in penalties, etc.).
That whole episode with Haley and Avery is part of hockey. And sometimes your team has to answer the bell. I am glad in that instance Haley did not let that person be Hamonic. Good for him, and the Islanders.

by JackandAce on Dec 8, 2011 8:47 AM EST up reply actions  

I think what Haley did is a suspendable or penalty getting action now. Someone please respond here?

“Leaving the bench/changing on a shift to immediately start a fight is a penalizable offense right now I believe.” Obviously ref’s will determine that, but I think it’s in the rule book now. Anyone clarify?

What do you mean they won 4 cups in a row? Is that possible?

by OzzyFan on Dec 8, 2011 12:39 PM EST up reply actions  

I was actually surprised it wasn't penalized at the time

You’re not supposed to leave the bench specifically for a fight, even on a line change.

Lighthouse Hockey: A flute with no holes is not a flute. A Dane with no holes is Frans Nielsen.

by Dominik on Dec 8, 2011 1:31 PM EST up reply actions  

Unless the crest on your uniform is that of a

Penguin, in which case the league will turn a blind eye

by 4PeatSake on Dec 8, 2011 1:47 PM EST up reply actions  

No doubt

The coach “tried” to restrain him.

Lighthouse Hockey: A flute with no holes is not a flute. A Dane with no holes is Frans Nielsen.

by Dominik on Dec 8, 2011 2:53 PM EST up reply actions  

Another point

Watching the Video you can hear that Pilon is on the ice too, and he ended the year with more PIM then Vukota.

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by Mark D on Dec 8, 2011 8:24 AM EST up reply actions  

Incredible Read
It sounds like that’s a tale worth remembering for a rainy day.

Well done my friend… chicken soup for the hockey soul.

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by JPinVA on Dec 7, 2011 11:07 PM EST reply actions  

Briliant

Well Done Sir

Hey NY Times – add a ilnk to this from your great Boogaard pieces
www.nytimes.com/boogaard

by Cary K on Dec 7, 2011 11:18 PM EST reply actions  

Thanks, all of you.

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by Dominik on Dec 8, 2011 12:56 AM EST reply actions  

Sheesh.

Now I feel bad about the “not using his size and strength” stuff.
On the other hand, fighting and physical play are 2 different things. Obviously there is overlap when the first leads to the latter, but John Tonelli was as physical a player as there was and I’m not sure he got into 3 fights in all his years here. It’s just frustrating to watch guys who have all the skills to be a solid NHL player, AND the size and strength to be dominant, but don’t seem to make the most of it, especially when your team sucks and they need that stuff.
Anyway, this is one of your better ‘profile’ type pieces and a helleva a job it is.

by dose on Dec 8, 2011 7:54 AM EST reply actions   1 recs

Haha, didn't mean to make you feel bad ;)

Agreed on the physical vs. fighting. I would love to go back and time and watch him as a prospect (it sounds like some rep predates the Kocur fight for sure, and his PIM were not fighter-like but not pacifist-level either).

Back then 6’3" was pretty huge, so I bet it came with inherent expectations.

Lighthouse Hockey: A flute with no holes is not a flute. A Dane with no holes is Frans Nielsen.

by Dominik on Dec 8, 2011 1:37 PM EST up reply actions  

Great piece

Thanks for that.

Don't make me bring out the Silky.

by afrosupreme on Dec 8, 2011 9:05 AM EST reply actions  

Fantastic Read.

That is one of the best pieces of writing I’ve read on a life in hockey.

by Jones79 on Dec 8, 2011 10:05 AM EST reply actions  

Great Read:

To Quote:

“You can get burned out on anything in life, whether out of loss of interest or from external or societal issues that taint what you once enjoyed.”

As a relocated Long Islander my allegiance to the Mets, Giants & Isles has ebbed a great deal over the years. But I’ve maintained my love of Penn State Football, most specifically b/c of the legacy of the former coach. External issues have certainly brought home to roost the fact that the actual product on the field, be it football, hockey or whateve. is less important than the fellowship of those you share the love of the game with. I find, as I approach my mid-40’s, that I enjoy hot stove and GM Meetings and recruiting much more than I enjoy the actual seasons anymore…too many times my expectations are not met by the teams being put on the field of play…but no one loses in the offseason, and ever hope springs eternal in December (for baseball fans) and the summer for other sports. ’We’ll get ‘em next year’ was a familiar refrain for folks from Brooklyn until 1957…

I think, if the Isles do move, that the saddest part won’t be seeing them skate onto the ice somewhere else, it’ll be that this board won’t exist in its current form….and that would be a shame. This is as good a group of folks as I commune with anywhere on the internet and I enjoy the fellowship here.

Anyway – nice job, Dom. I enjoyed the article…

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by pennst92 on Dec 8, 2011 11:11 AM EST reply actions  

Can't rec this article enough

None more green. Great job, bro.

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by mikb on Dec 8, 2011 12:00 PM EST reply actions  

Wow Dom, how do you top this?

In 2+ years this is, for me at least, your best work. Kudos good sir!

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by FireGarthSnow on Dec 8, 2011 12:01 PM EST reply actions  

Great job

I always suspected there was more to this story than the explaination that Dalgarno was just injured… alot. That Kocur fight was a few years before I really became a fan so I had no idea about that. I just remember him being called up sometime during the 92-93 season and wondering…just wondering? Also, many of my friends used to call me Dalgarno that season because my last name is DelBagno. Change a few letters and Brad can become a relative of mine! Great read, man.

by mdelbags on Dec 8, 2011 12:28 PM EST reply actions  

Also

Doesn’t Dalgarno kind of look lke Ferris Bueller’s friend in the pic above? How ironic that he wore a Red Wings jersey in the movie!!

by mdelbags on Dec 8, 2011 12:29 PM EST up reply actions  

Brad is better looking. :)

Seriously, he is a nice looking man- a contagious smile, great sense of humor, really sweet….
So, yeah- can anyone tell how much I liked talking to Brad Dalgarno lol?

Let Us Go, Islanders! (Ever notice how strange that sounds without the contraction?)

by TheMetalChick on Dec 8, 2011 1:16 PM EST up reply actions  

Rec'd. Good read.

What do you mean they won 4 cups in a row? Is that possible?

by OzzyFan on Dec 8, 2011 12:42 PM EST reply actions  

The issue of "toughness" will never go away

Excellent read, Dom. Sheds a lot of light on a forgotten episode.

When people (usually non-hockey fans here in the office) argue with me about hockey’s violence, I always point out two things: 1. Hockey’s the only sport that has both teams shake hands after playoff series and 2. The NHL hands out a major sportsmanship award every year in the Lady Byng. This does little to dissuade them. Personally, if I was a player, I’d be really proud to win a Lady Byng. But I hear it’s kind of a joke among the actual players.

How “tough” a player is will always factor into their evaluations. Pierre Turgeon may have retired an Islander if the GM hadn’t traded him for, what was supposed to be, a “grittier” player. I’ve heard people hold the fact that Bossy wouldn’t fight as a mark against him, as if 575 career goals in 9.5 seasons didn’t count. Every time the NHL players go the Olympics, the “Look at how much better the games are without goons” brigade comes out to piss on a sport they only watch every four years.

The league can ban fighting or monitor checking or regulate equipment all they like. It’s the culture that prioritizes that ambiguous trait that’s the issue.

DalGarno stepped away, came back and was allowed to just play. Good on him. I wish more guys had that chance.

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by PGI on Dec 8, 2011 1:58 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

Good points

Handshake and the Lady Byng, good points. It’s funny that the LB is looked down upon in some circles precisely because of that toughness vibe, although a Byng-worthy guy like Frans or Datsyuk hardly lacks that trait.

I was going to mention in this — before it started nearing 2000 words — that my mother, whose knowledge of hockey stops at bringing me to practices at 5:45 a.m., brought up the Boogaard stories to me when she saw it in the Times. That was a fun litmus test: How to explain my love of this sport to my mother in 60 seconds while factoring in everything she read in that feature.

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by Dominik on Dec 8, 2011 3:00 PM EST up reply actions  

Stop me if you've heard this before

I have a half-written post on my hard-drive about the whole issue of toughness in hockey and fighting vs. gooning. It’s not ready for publication, because I can’t stop sounding pedantic about the subject. If I ever bang it into halfway-decent shape I’ll have to post it.

That brings my “Have to Get to That” post list to, what… forty-five? Fifty?

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by mikb on Dec 8, 2011 3:35 PM EST up reply actions  

Forty-seven, I think

But it’s only the next one that counts!

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by Dominik on Dec 8, 2011 4:15 PM EST up reply actions  

Youth Hockey and Olympic Hockey

I played youth hockey for 8 seasons. If you dropped your gloves and fought you were suspended for 3 games. In a 20 game season that is alot. It was very rare that there was any fighting. There was players who hit very hard and tried to intimidate that way if you were by the goalie crease, or in the corners but that was it.
In Olympic Hockey there is no fighting either. If the NHL really wanted to stop the fighting they could. I am into a tough hard hitting game, to me that is the way hockey is played, but there is no reasons for the Trevor Gillies type of goons. He is the type of player that has no skill except to fight.
If it was up to me there would be quite a few changes to the rules:
1. Anybody who fights gets a game misconduct.
2. 1st fighting offense gets a 3 game suspension. No pay
3. 2nd fighting offense gets a 6 Game suspension. No pay
4. 3rd fighting offense gets a 12 Game suspension No pay.
5. 4th fighting offense gets the rest of the season including playoffs suspension. If it happens at the end of the season it would continue to the next season minimum 24 game suspension. No Pay.
6. The players salary would be paid to the NHL and sent to a charity of the NHL’s choice.

By doing the above there would be no more GOONS in hockey.

For high sticking or other offenses of the type:
1. If a player is hurt by an illegal hit, slash and or head hunting WITH INTENT TO HURT. The player is suspeneded fordouble the amount of time the other player is hurt, minimum 5 games. If it happens during the playoffs suspension is tripled.
2. If a player is hurt by an illegal INCIDENTAL HIT. The player is suspended for the amount of time the other player is hurt, minimum 2 games.
3. There are times when the referee misses an illegal hit. Just like a goal is reviewed I believe an illeagal hit should be reviewed. During the next stop in play the Toronto reviews and can call a penalty.

I believe by putting the above rules in place it would clean up the game for good. There is nothing wrong with hard hitting, digging in the corner or battling by the goal crease that is some of the best parts of the game. But there is no place in this sport for GOONISH PLAYERS WITH NO TALENT,

by mordred0831 on Dec 8, 2011 5:51 PM EST reply actions  


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1979-80


May 24, 1980: Tonelli to Nystrom. At long last, the steady build of the New York Islanders from expansion doormat to surprise semifinalist to annual contender reaches the promised land: Buoyed by a late season trade for Butch Goring that gave the team the depth up the middle GM Bill Torrey had been seeking, the Islanders knock off the Philadelphia Flyers in six games.

The victory justified the faith in coach Al Arbour who guided them from their second season to their first Stanley Cup seven seasons later. The Islanders would not be the first expansion team to win the Stanley Cup, but they would be the only one capable of a dynasty.

1980-81


May 21, 1981: This time it was much easier. After falling to "only" 91 points in the 1979-80 season, the Islanders returned to their division title tradition, piling up 110 points -- a whole 13 points over second-place Philadelphia.

Between the quarterfinals (where they beat the upstart Oilers in six games) and the finals, the Islanders reeled off eight consecutive wins -- with a four-game sweep of archrival Rangers in between. As they defeated the Minnesota North Stars in five games for their second Cup, their goal difference in the final was a combined +10.

1981-82


May 16, 1982: Another year, another landslide title. The Islanders won the Patrick Division by a whopping 26 points over the second-place Rangers, and were seven points clear of their nearest competition for the President's Trophy, the still-not-quite-ripe Edmonton Oilers.

A first-round scare against the Pittsburgh Penguins turned in the Isles' favor thanks to John Tonelli's heroics, and a true dynasty was on its way: Past the Rangers in six games, then an eight-game sweep of the Quebec Nordiques and Vancouver Canucks to run away with the Stanley Cup.

1982-83


May 17, 1983: Not so fast, whipper-snappers. The Edmonton Oilers' steadily rising challenge for league supremacy took them all the way to the finals for the first time, where the New York Islanders summarily dispatched them in a four-game sweep. For the Islanders, the Dynasty was secured. For the Oilers, it was a powerful lesson in where talent ends and the demands of playoff hockey begin.

Four years, four Cups, 16 consecutive playoff series wins (a record that would grow to 19 until the rematch with the Oilers the following year). Mike Bossy scored 60 goals yet again, and Wayne Gretzky became acquainted with Billy Smith's crease.


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