Post-Game +/-: Islanders 5, Lightning 1. Again with the Scoring.
by Dominik on Dec 6, 2011 9:32 PM EST
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After averaging under two goals scored per game for the first quarter of the season, the New York Islanders have scored 14 goals over their last three games and 19 over their last five. Tonight it was five goals by five different goal scorers, with the line of John Tavares, Matt Moulson and P.A. Parenteau setting the tone with repeated offensive threats. It was 3-1 Islanders at the first intermission, and mostly a cruise to a 5-1 win..
David Ullstrom scored his first NHL goal on a clever pass from Josh Bailey -- who was simply excellent -- and Al Montoya stood up to the little pressure he faced after the Lightning opened scoring with a Martin St. Louis tip on the first shot Montoya faced.
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Fuller recap and whistles to come later. This is our instant post-game plus/minus thread for your instant analysis with short-form praise and critiques for the night that was. To keep it orderly, if you see someone making the same points you have, maybe just reply to them before starting your own string. Or, whatever you like. This one was fun. Winning is fun. Winnipeg is not.
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+ Entire Team
enough said, the domination in the offensive zone, control of the puck is definitely the biggest difference between now and the first month of the season
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by longbeach on Dec 6, 2011 9:34 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
+ Ullstrom
My wife’s official pronouncement: “Awww, he’s a cute kid. Good for him.”
We may be in the box, but you get the penalty.
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by mikb on Dec 6, 2011 9:39 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
He is rather handsome
+ And playing just the way I’d hoped but had no strong reason to suspect he would.
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I like how Ulstrom has been playing with Bailey
+an excellent postive…Bailey seemed excited for Ullstrom to be in the show, and whatever majic the two had while Bailey was in BP (Rahk I Believe was also on that line) the two seemed to have rekindled it in the show. Hope it keeps up!!!
I want to see Ullstrom, Bailey and Nino form a kid line when Nino returns….
by CanadianIsleslifer on Dec 6, 2011 9:49 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
YES
Been asking for this forever! Thought it was close between him and Nino, and it really isn’t even a contest. That one year of AHL Hockey can do wonders for a guy.
But…Nino back to purgatory when he is healthy. Hopefully Snow will take back what he said so Nino can play more.. and then again at the end of the Junior season… but he needs to go to Portland now. I think the “kid” line could easily be Wallace or Rhett. Both closer to needing professional decisions on their careers. Nino… not totally there yet, and if we’re gonna talk playoffs.. i think Rhett and Wallace…even Dibo, are better options.
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I think your right on Nino
Juniors might work great for him just for one more year of 1/2 year. if nothing else, maybe they could let him play for Swiss in the World Juniors…..Botta suggested that last week (not a bad idea).
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"Listening is a Skill" -Jack Capuano
Sad to say, I think JP may be right too
but can’t help but hope he is healthy, and ready, and would look good on a kid line with Ullstrom and Bailey…
i also can’t help but think Cizikas may take the 4th centre spot from Reasoner before Reasoner’s contract is up…
by CanadianIsleslifer on Dec 7, 2011 2:07 AM EST up reply actions
that would be awesome to see
That would be one hell of a line
James T Paulson
by Jtpdolphins2009 on Dec 6, 2011 10:04 PM EST up reply actions
Plus
+Josh Bailey
+The team’s record post Comeau
You wouldn't believe how good the Corsi is for my NHL 12 Be A Pro player.
I thinks its 10 of last 14 possible points
Very Good.
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Minus
Montoya’s teeth – yikes.
I only saw the third period, for which I will give a freaking plus. Even the D were playing smart, despite their natural flaws.
Success was survival and, kid, it still is
Al grew up poor
Give him a break.
"We can't get pushed around," Haley said. "What commentators say about us, that's their job. My job is to try and limit as many people who want to take liberties with our guys as possible."
by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Dec 6, 2011 9:46 PM EST up reply actions
If theres one profession where people shouldnt pick on anyones teeth
It should be being a pro hockey player.
Let Us Go, Islanders! (Ever notice how strange that sounds without the contraction?)
by TheMetalChick on Dec 6, 2011 11:29 PM EST up reply actions
Did anybody see Al's smile when they announced the 3 stars?
He has a smile on his face like he ate 10 pounds of shit and he’s the only one who knows.
"We can't get pushed around," Haley said. "What commentators say about us, that's their job. My job is to try and limit as many people who want to take liberties with our guys as possible."
by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Dec 6, 2011 9:45 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
Wouldn't that mean you are calling your own post funny?
"We can't get pushed around," Haley said. "What commentators say about us, that's their job. My job is to try and limit as many people who want to take liberties with our guys as possible."
by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Dec 6, 2011 10:04 PM EST up reply actions
He has been phenomenal. And we thought Rollie was playing good last year and the year before for us, Montoya has been even better.
I pray we lock him down for multiple years if he continues this. The man has been playing like Lundqvist.
What do you mean they won 4 cups in a row? Is that possible?
If that's what makes him play so well
…I hope he eats a whole fuckin fecal factory.
"Seriously that's the last time you guys f#@%ing won?" -RSH (about beating the Penguins in '93)
by Bryan2112 on Dec 7, 2011 2:16 AM EST up reply actions 3 recs
+ Winning comfortably
I forgot how fun and not nerve-wracking a comfortable win can be.
+ PP puck movement
- Almost looked like they were tired or out of ideas by the end of that run of PPs
+ Bailey’s passing working
+ Bailey’s PK work, esp. when Frans took the first penalty
- Small crowd (9.486 listed) for their most complete performance of the year
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by Dominik on Dec 6, 2011 9:49 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
i think if they even keep 75% of the level tonight
if that’s the regression to the mean, and they are in the playoff hunt
this is a 12k crowd in March
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or on a weekend
We may be in the box, but you get the penalty.
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Nerves
I literally have stopped watching the games live and have waited for the replays at 12 AM due to how nerve wracking their games have been. Watching a 3 plus goal deficit in the third was nice.
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by DP'sknee(andhipandflubugandotherknee) on Dec 6, 2011 10:07 PM EST up reply actions
You are hooked
Mercy upon your heart if they ever get back to the playoffs.
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Only theoretical minus is for Steve Staios
but he did save a goal on a wrap around late. (Granted it was 5-1 at that point, but still)
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I think some of Rolston's plays were half assed tonight.
He looked bad on the PP too, couple “soft” passes/chips that didn’t clear the zone or dump deep into the oppo’s d-zone for us to change.
What do you mean they won 4 cups in a row? Is that possible?
Rolston is slow
but he, Reasoner and Pandolfo are good pace-horses for the kids who want/need to pass them on the depth chart to get there…no doubt that can be done offensively by a few, but they have to master the defense…someone has to pass Mottau before season’s end.
by CanadianIsleslifer on Dec 7, 2011 2:10 AM EST up reply actions
I would be extremely surprised if at least 1 or 2 of the d-men in juniors right now aren't better overall d-men then mottau.
What do you mean they won 4 cups in a row? Is that possible?
my only issue
Bailey didnt get a star, otherwise complete and total domination.
screw homework, its all about islanders hockey
by DarthDoyle on Dec 6, 2011 9:49 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
I love how distinct Fischler's voice is in the press conference.
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p/m
+Capuano, Snow, etc. Callups have been great and various lineup decisions seem to be working.
-Me for second guessing nearly every one of those moves.
-NHL.com for completely ignoring the game on its page
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by DP'sknee(andhipandflubugandotherknee) on Dec 6, 2011 9:53 PM EST reply actions
Wallace plays his ass off. I don't know how his corsi would look after a few games, but the man hustled his ass off, finished his checks hard, and battled anywhere he could.
What do you mean they won 4 cups in a row? Is that possible?
and had a damn nice assist too
James T Paulson
by Jtpdolphins2009 on Dec 6, 2011 10:46 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Cappy came close to naming someone something there...
Success was survival and, kid, it still is
by IslesFanInNJ on Dec 6, 2011 9:53 PM EST reply actions 3 recs
I thought the same thing, lol.
"We can't get pushed around," Haley said. "What commentators say about us, that's their job. My job is to try and limit as many people who want to take liberties with our guys as possible."
by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Dec 6, 2011 9:57 PM EST up reply actions
+ the new plus/minus format
for those who got the memo.
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The whole team is plus tonight
Grab your bong and relax.
"We can't get pushed around," Haley said. "What commentators say about us, that's their job. My job is to try and limit as many people who want to take liberties with our guys as possible."
by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Dec 6, 2011 10:07 PM EST up reply actions
Actually
amazingly in a 5-1 game Brian rolston drug Frans Nielsen down to a -1 rating… and earned one himself. Okposo, was able to sneak away from Mr. Rolston long enough to get a +1 rating for himself.
My point being… when you watch the games you can see guys who skate around in circles, and shoot the puck at every opportunity so they don’t have to skate.
Rolston is a $5M bag of that kind of crap… and instead of seeing time in the owner’s suite, he moves up a line… unfortunately what he did was make Frans’ line the third line. Bailey +1 with 1A, Ullstrom +1 1G and Tim AHL Wallace +2, 1A.
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I can't believe that "line" didn't score. Okposo was playing great and Nielsen did what he does.
Rolston brought that line down noticably, all he does is shoot and slew foot around slowly. Should of bumped Ullstrom up, well at least he got his 1st NHL goal anyway. Maybe we coudl even argue that Rolston brought down Bailey when on his line previously? Hmm….
What do you mean they won 4 cups in a row? Is that possible?
And also notice Bailey and Ullstrom played better without Rolston
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by North Dakota Red Eagle on Dec 7, 2011 2:35 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I realized that the 5 goal explosion was over the final 46 minutes
I'm a mets, jets, islander, and terps fan. Also known as a glutton for perennial punishment.
playing with Ullstrom the same way they did in BP
That Ullstrom goal was amazing give in go between Bailey and Ullstrom, from one end of the ice—-UIllstrom to Bailey, the Bailey’s blind behind the back pass to Ullstrom for an amazing goal
by CanadianIsleslifer on Dec 6, 2011 10:00 PM EST up reply actions
It was today
So announcement should be tomorrow. (Tootoo’s hearing was actually yesterday, I believe.) i don’t know why, other than the stars not playing till Thursday, they could take such time when sometimes they call right away.
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I think in part
it was because of the Board of Governor’s meeting. And you need to give Shannaban time to make up his sweet Video of Justice.
Don't make me bring out the Silky.
Ah, that's right
He was kinda busy.
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There's something hypnotic about them
I was devouring them today like they were Down Goes Brown vids. The Kaleta one was illuminating. Basically, he’s a real tool – I think I even detected a note of disdain in Shanny’s voice, like he wanted to slug him himself.
We may be in the box, but you get the penalty.
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You're right
It partially has an America’s Most Wanted feel at the start with Shanny providing the facts of the case, but then they just replay the incident over and over while he talks which has a strange effect.
Just watched Kaleta on your rec. “This recent history of ramming his head into the faces of his opponents … leads us to believe this act is intentional.”
Don't make me bring out the Silky.
Better hair?
Matt Martin or Cappy?
"We can't get pushed around," Haley said. "What commentators say about us, that's their job. My job is to try and limit as many people who want to take liberties with our guys as possible."
by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Dec 6, 2011 9:59 PM EST reply actions
Cappy
The feathering started a little higher than usual. Nice touch, I thought.
Success was survival and, kid, it still is
I notcied that too
And that circle his hair in the middle of his head looked especially nice.
"We can't get pushed around," Haley said. "What commentators say about us, that's their job. My job is to try and limit as many people who want to take liberties with our guys as possible."
by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Dec 6, 2011 10:01 PM EST up reply actions
that and his hair has a twitter account
nice try Matt Martin, try again when your hair has its own twitter account
James T Paulson
by Jtpdolphins2009 on Dec 6, 2011 10:08 PM EST up reply actions
haha, too good.
Soo Cappy’s hair and Tie have become LHH legends in their first full season. Thats pretty wild.
+ PP
2 for 5, excellent puck movement until Rolston coughed it up. Streit and Jurcina look like a nice point pairing. Doug has been reading my posts… nice job Dougy!
Note: MikB is the closest to what I was getting at with my thoughts on the plus/minus thread.
In my perfect OCD controlled world all positive PP comments would be replies to this thread. Or.. just rec it if you agree with the PLUS
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by JPinVA on Dec 6, 2011 9:59 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
I'd point out that the Rolston cough up was in the 3rd of 3 Power Plays in a row.
I think they were exhausted.
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That's true...
but I’m trying to make a point here!
You should know all about that.
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But how can Rolston get tired
…when he doesn’t skate?
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by North Dakota Red Eagle on Dec 7, 2011 2:38 AM EST up reply actions
That must be it
Explains why Pandolfo was huffing and puffing too.
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by North Dakota Red Eagle on Dec 7, 2011 12:06 PM EST up reply actions
PP good the past 3 games
More importantly, actually drawing penalties-something we weren’t doing.
Don't make me bring out the Silky.
team playing so much better
+guys taking the body, getting to dirty areas
+Toyota in net, about time.
+DP getting hurt (no I dont feel bad)
+Tavares line en fuego
-Grabner and Mac hurt
boy wouldn’t be nice to keep this up
Plus for the Long Island Team
+ Matt Martin
+ Bailey is a magician and great PK’er
+ Monty as usual
+ JT finally closes the deal himself
+ Ullstrom has been a plus since he got here
++++ Feels good to be an Isles fan again
+ The Chef Bruno just because
YA MON !
Dis the BAY-LEE we was hoping for- he sure give the bitch lick to dem Lightnings ! UUULSTROM! Remind me of other ?STROM – NYE – dey brodders? CUBANO MONTOYA- raise my RUM to you MON! Good team efforts. Ya mon. GO EYE LANDERS ! Ya mon I be happy tonight. 2 more Appletons please.
land of ha ha ha you got an "Islanders" Tee shirt- what losers!! I turned and told ‘em in a very Jamaican way "You Rass-Bumbo Clat Smurf- go fishin with the sharks and be usin your kids as bait mon !"..F-C-K blue boy- all that’s missing is Double U…rags fans… I even hated them in Jah…(and it’s hard to hate anything in Jah!)
by CaribbeanIslanderFan on Dec 6, 2011 10:02 PM EST via mobile reply actions
I swear, Bailey looks a lot better then he's ever been.
Playing great defense, creating scoring chances like everyone thought he could, everything was clicking tonight for him. If he can get some offense from that 3rd line, we could be a deadly offensive team this year.
What do you mean they won 4 cups in a row? Is that possible?
+ Total team effort
Without Grabner, A-MAc, and even Nino to an extent, this team could’ve came out flat. The biggest plus was the team pulling together and keeping this streak alive.
Honorable Mention + to the post-game text I received from my mom:
“I believe the Islanders need at least one more trade…Butch Goring for a Tampa Bay announcer.”
Even my mom’s got jokes when the boys are winning!
Fast and furious coverage of the slow and steady rebuild
by Chris McNally on Dec 6, 2011 10:04 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
Plus: Bruno and MAB
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by garik16 on Dec 6, 2011 10:04 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
Versus just described our game as "Upset on the Island"
It’s not like the Lightning have been a power this year and we are on a nice little streak.
You wouldn't believe how good the Corsi is for my NHL 12 Be A Pro player.
Isles are 4-0-1 in their last 5 and Tampa have lost their last 6
the upset would’ve been if Versus had provided some solid coverage for a change
Fast and furious coverage of the slow and steady rebuild
by Chris McNally on Dec 6, 2011 10:06 PM EST up reply actions 7 recs
Ziiinnnnggggggggg
"We can't get pushed around," Haley said. "What commentators say about us, that's their job. My job is to try and limit as many people who want to take liberties with our guys as possible."
by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Dec 6, 2011 10:10 PM EST up reply actions
Don't be too hard on Versus
It’s hard to keep JR up-to-date on everything. Cuts into his bingo schedule.
We may be in the box, but you get the penalty.
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NHL Overtime talking about Isles right now
- Roenick saying DiPietro and Nabakov being a good thing for us due to Montoya’s play.
- Graphically mapping our injuries, surprised we’re playing so well
- Roenick says we’re starting to buy into Cappy’s system, thinks Cappy is a tough coach to play for who will force us to play our system
- Discussing the hit by Fistric on Nino. Inaccurately stating it’s Fistric’s first offense. Roenick says it will be suspended.
You wouldn't believe how good the Corsi is for my NHL 12 Be A Pro player.
off topic, Good night for Dom: Blues Win as well
In loving memory;Dad thanks for making us Islanders fans, ACC 1918-2011
Steen & Backes; JT, Moulson Martin - lotta feel-good scoring tonight
Bow-chika-wow-wow
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- ATTENDANCE = 9486
I know it’s a TUE night against a struggling Tampa team, but they just came off a 7/8 point road trip. They were also pumping 2fers out there for the two weekday home games.
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I think the terrible losing streak killed some of the opening season fire. Ironically, if they were winning like this 2wks ago instead of this past week, I think attendance would be up a thousand or 2 tonight.
What do you mean they won 4 cups in a row? Is that possible?
It was raining
and seriously (and sadly) I believe that creates enough traffic that people are like screw it.
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Its true.
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by TheMetalChick on Dec 7, 2011 12:17 AM EST up reply actions
i like turtles
as well as the isles winning
+ullstrom
+bails (holy shit thank god)
+jt mm pap
+montaya
+4th line
+4th line
+4th line (when was the last time the isles had a 4th line like this)
+hammer (i like hammer)
+pk/pp
thats a lot of pluses, but i missed out on a kegger for this game so im freaking happy, also, does anybody have a link to the videos of the sports roommate and sports boyfriend? the uh, video that uh, really shows uh, that uh, making fun of uh, the way sports uh sports players talk to the uh, the media with uh, a real good effort and uh team play that sticks to our system and tries to uh make sure that the video uh, doesnt play the uh other video’s game. yaknow, so uh, real good effort and uh hard work pays off.
The Islanders' team surgeon is now the 4th wealthiest man in the United States
Roommate video
I think this is the skit you were talking about?
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that it is
thanks dom
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+ Montoya
Nice to make an easy game seem easy. It never should have got close and it never did.
Update on his Even Strength Save %:
Don't make me bring out the Silky.
by afrosupreme on Dec 6, 2011 10:08 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Agreed...
Little scary there when Dipietro took control of his soul early… 1 SOG, 1GA… but the rest of the way was pretty solid. I guess you have to give MSL a goal (or it just isn’t a NYI- TBL game) and he wanted to get it out of the way early.
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Again, he was only being polite
Trying to fit in. Not rock the boat. Let in the first goal just like any proper Isles goalie would.
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It's funny too
because I was guilty of assuming it was a soft goal (would have fit the bill), but on the replay it was a nasty deflection. I think I’m trained to assume all those first ones are easy ones.
Don't make me bring out the Silky.
Trying to fit in. Not rock the boat. Let in the first goal just like any proper Isles goalie would.
LOL- my friends and I were talking along these lines when we were weatching the game, how its like a goalie club and Montoya wanted to be a member lol.
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by TheMetalChick on Dec 7, 2011 9:49 AM EST up reply actions
Only 1200 more EV Shots till I can sort of put faith in this!
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(In other words, I think he's league average still)
Which would be pretty fine for the Isles given Isles’ goaltending the last couple of years.
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Agreed-league average would be great
But even at only 1000 shots at 930+%, you’re under 10% chance of major regression.
Don't make me bring out the Silky.
he’s 5th overall in SV% and he’s only .03 behind 3rd place Quick.
Give in, you know you want to love the Big Cubano
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Yeah and he's not a .958 goalie.
That I’ll bet heavy money on.
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What about a .925? That's possible given his talents and maturation level.
He was once a very highly touted young goalie.
What do you mean they won 4 cups in a row? Is that possible?
I wouldnt be surprised
If he turned out to be a consistent .920-.930
I mean his only continuous flaw that ive seen is his rebound control which can be improved. Honestly the only thing that leads me to believe that hell regress is simply that his number have been so amazing that i cant fathom him continuing to play like this
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I think he can definitely be a .920 goalie, that's definitely not out of his realm.
When he was drafted, the Rangers saw him as their future franchise goalie, if they didn’t they wouldn’t have used the “6th overall pick” on him 7yrs ago.
Everything I’ve seen scouts say about him show he could be the real deal.
What do you mean they won 4 cups in a row? Is that possible?
.920 is still upper echelon.
Really REALLY not comfortable with that conclusion. (Also there are many top goalies who people thought were super future franchise goalies, 90% of which bust or are just average. Doesn’t mean anything)
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by garik16 on Dec 6, 2011 11:28 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
.925 is insanely high.
Lundqvist isn’t a .925 goalie!
Luongo isn’t a .925 goalie!
Vokoun isn’t a .925 goalie!
Tim Thomas isn’t a .925 goalie!
(I think I’m done here)
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by garik16 on Dec 6, 2011 11:23 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
lol. Stats have continually been going up for goalies. ~.915 was league average for a starter last year.
10 starting goalies finished last season with a .920 or better save percentage. With how stats have been elevating for goalies, I don’t think .920 is unfathomable at all if Montoya can be repetitive and keep up his play(for the most part). That’s top 10, I think Montoya has the potential to be a top 10 goalie. And these percentages for goalies won’t likely drop unless the NHL makes a noticable change to the size of the nets or something.
What do you mean they won 4 cups in a row? Is that possible?
.915 has been average for a few years actually
or roughly. the point is that while average is around .915, the best goalies are truthfully around .920 in talent. There isn’t that huge a divergence from average for top goalies (there are a few dreadful goalies tho)
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Well or .913 or so.
http://www.quanthockey.com/TS/TS_SavePercentage.php
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I'll try and simplify it then, do you think Montoya is capable of sustaining himself as a top 10 goalie in the nhl?
What do you mean they won 4 cups in a row? Is that possible?
Maybe. Probably Not.
I’m just saying we don’t have anywhere near enough evidence to show he can be there yet. Putting him at League Average is something we can be more comfortable with.
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I agree, statistical evidence won't be able for that to be "said" about him for couple of years.
But just watching the guy play overall so far this year and list gives me the hope that maybe he can be a top 10goalie in the nhl, and the franchise goalie we really need.
What do you mean they won 4 cups in a row? Is that possible?
I just have no trust in scouting for goalies.
The best goalies are frequently guys who come from nowhere (Late draft picks) and highly scouted guys really often fail.
I just don’t think scouts understand how to really judge goaltending talent and how likely they are to reach it.
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(And by scouting I mean "watching" goalies with one's own eyes)
since it’s the same thing.
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I hear you. It's pretty funny given how much goalies are a crapshoot.
What do you mean they won 4 cups in a row? Is that possible?
I'd also point out that Al is a UFA next year.
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Yeah, I have a huge fear actually that Garth is gonna trade him before the deadline.
Team’s with good offenses and shotty goalies or even hurt goalies are gonna definitely be around, right now Leafs/Blackhawks/Senators-maybe/Capitals-even fit that description, and I’m sure teams would give up a 2nd round pick, maybe even a late 1st for a hot goalie with a .920/.925 save percentage to help them in the season and hopefully for a deep playoff run.
What do you mean they won 4 cups in a row? Is that possible?
Nice to see JT even saying as much, that the Isles gave AM a great chance.
Guys talk in the locker room, JT rarely ever says anything beyond athletespeak in public. This makes me think, this is a discussion that they have had.
For all of the DiPi conspiracies, I don’t think Montoya walks without the Islanders making a genuine offer and if a genuine offer is made, I am inclined to think Montoya will accept it.
Yeah, but my .912 bet is looking pretty good.
(No money, but I staked [stook?] my LHH reputation on it.)
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by North Dakota Red Eagle on Dec 7, 2011 2:45 AM EST up reply actions
Big game win, check
+++++ David Ullstrom, extremely impressed with his entire play. Good on him getting a goal.
+++++ Josh Bailey overall play, impressive, that line with Wallace impressed.
+ Wallace, excellent fill in.
+ Winning, it cures the bad.
+ Montoya, just for showing up.
+ JT, PAP, Mouls, Okposo
+ everyone else.
MInus
All the middling teams in the east winning tonight.
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by DP'sknee(andhipandflubugandotherknee) on Dec 6, 2011 10:09 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
how dare they
take our thunder…and lightning technically
The Islanders' team surgeon is now the 4th wealthiest man in the United States
Highlight for me: Hearing someone yell, "YOU'RE OFFSIDES BRUNO! COME ON!"
Memories…. :)
Also – after attending 3 shutouts (and missing one due to obligations) seeing tonights game was sweet. Finally heard that goddamn goal song. I gotta say, I’m not a fan of it, but I’ll deal with it.
+ A win and a FIG
All while I was at my office holiday party. Nice work, boys.
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by PGI on Dec 6, 2011 10:37 PM EST via mobile reply actions
all is not perfect though
I’m watching Bruins-Jets and Jack Edwards is really annoying.
The Jets crowd is second to none though.
"We can't get pushed around," Haley said. "What commentators say about us, that's their job. My job is to try and limit as many people who want to take liberties with our guys as possible."
by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Dec 6, 2011 10:43 PM EST up reply actions
Any crowd that gives their team a standing ovation after a loss
Deserves a team. Sorry Atlanta, but Winninpeg just wants it more
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+ The team hitting and finishing checks
Martin finishing his check on the defenceman, who turns it over, puck ends up in the net courtesy of Martin because the defenceman was late covering him due to the hit.
+Happiness
Everyone was fantastic. Bailey really seems to have his enthusiasm back now that Comeau is gone…not implying causality but hmmm…
Serious question, anyone have the number of offsides the Lightning were called for tonight?
Their offensive chemistry looked like complete crap at times.
What do you mean they won 4 cups in a row? Is that possible?
Also, did they stop with that 1-3-1 nonsense?
Their forecheckers (especially Pyatt) were playing deep. Maybe Philly disgraced them. If so, shame on Boucher for changing the game. They were playing well before that.
They looked to be forechecking a lot more to me, maybe they altered it a bit.
What do you mean they won 4 cups in a row? Is that possible?
being down two goals probably had something to do with it
We may be in the box, but you get the penalty.
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I was thinking the 1-3-1 would benefit the Islanders
One thing that hasn’t changed is the slow Islander defense (even minus Eaton) so the passive forecheck would have been preferable. It gives our D more time to reach and control the puck, so I would think Tampa’s coaching staff would adjust the forecheck somewhat. That, and as stated above, when you are down you need to go get the puck in the offensive zone.
They didn't seem to be in it at all this game.
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Caught the 3rd period
It was nice to see the Isles continue on a winning path. If they can keep this up, it looks like the Isles can be in the thick of things regarding the playoff hunt relatively soon.
bailey was first star to me
nice for ullstrom,but jb was great on the pk,made that gorgeous feed for ullstrom,and had good energy on every shift.i wonder if the pk responsibilities actually jumpstart guys on this team i.e.frans,grabs. montoya was good but not really tested much.tampa looked gassed from the start-they did play last night.even motteau(dare i say) was less bad,only one bad mistake that i noticed. jt keeps getting better but has to realize you cant put it thru defenders’ legs Every time! and matty moulson has to go to AC tonight.he’s that hot right now.seriously.
by Lakewood Islander on Dec 6, 2011 10:44 PM EST via mobile reply actions
I have no trouble with Ullstrom as first star
It’s a nice reward for the kid’s first goal and he did play well too. I would have given Bails second star though. He really did everything right tonight.
We may be in the box, but you get the penalty.
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Recchi on NHL Overtime
questioning whether Frans meant to pass the puck on that assist.
Dispatch the dogs. And the bees.
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by afrosupreme on Dec 6, 2011 10:50 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Chances that Dr. Recchi and the ref that waved off Frans's goal ever see another sunrise?
0.00001%. Frans may be satiated with the taste of victory, but I dunno, that dude’s nuts, bro.
by Les Beaver on Dec 6, 2011 10:54 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
That was disappointing, but correct.
Frans didn’t get a pass from his teammate, it was MAB who played it – therefore the delayed penalty was called.
We may be in the box, but you get the penalty.
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Bailey was the best player on the ice tonight..
and he’s actually been quite good since mid November.
Funny, wasn't mid-November when Isles let Comeau go
…and called up Ullstrom?
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by North Dakota Red Eagle on Dec 7, 2011 2:50 AM EST up reply actions
+ physical play is contagious
Grit is good. With some examples to follow (besides just mm), okposo and bailey are hitting. No coincidence that they are also contributing to the offense. Speed plus hitting was the identity in the last half last year. It is the only identity that will yield success for this group. Good on haley, ullstrom and walker for adding smart physical play.
by randyboyd on Dec 6, 2011 11:06 PM EST via mobile reply actions
wallace, sorry
All caught up in the 5 goals.
by randyboyd on Dec 6, 2011 11:17 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Biggest Plus of All perhaps
we’re 7th in the East in fewest losses now
Rangers 6
Philly 7
Boston 8
Pittsburgh 8
Florida 8
Leafs 10
us 11
yea tied with 4 other teams though lol
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by Jtpdolphins2009 on Dec 6, 2011 11:08 PM EST up reply actions
We are also now 26th in PPG(5th worst) in the NHL and marginally off 25th.
What do you mean they won 4 cups in a row? Is that possible?
It's also early, but we are 3wins off the 8th seed(playoff) in the east with 2gms in hand. Just to throw some more stuff out.
What do you mean they won 4 cups in a row? Is that possible?
No, we have 14 losses.
OT- Losses are still losses. We have 3 OTL (2 Shootout losses don’t count). Puts us near last.
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No
OT losses are ties – lost Bettman points
we are tied for 7th in least regulation losses
by Cary K on Dec 7, 2011 12:09 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
I love how you call them...
OT losses.
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by North Dakota Red Eagle on Dec 7, 2011 2:54 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
An omen?
Newsday:
The goaltender stalls are so full in the dressing room that DiPietro’s nameplate was removed.
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by DP'sknee(andhipandflubugandotherknee) on Dec 6, 2011 11:24 PM EST reply actions
+ The huge sense of relief on JT's face after he finally scored
Looked as if a huge weight was taken off his shoulders (I asked Dot to lose weight…)
and then on the bench, it was either cappy or weight that gave him shoulder massage for a second there
just making sure the weight had really been taken off. And JTs face confirmed this with a sigh of relief.
+ The fact that Isles played so well that...
…hardly anyone has even mentioned how Okposo was flying down the wing on several occasions because of the especially solid play of Bailey, Ullstrom, Wallace (what a pass!) and others.
Also, I don’t mean to rain on the parade, but how much of Isles’ dominance tonight had to do with TB’s awful play? (Isles dominated tonight about as much as Pens dominated Isles a couple weeks ago.)
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by North Dakota Red Eagle on Dec 7, 2011 3:02 AM EST reply actions
how much of Isles’ dominance tonight had to do with TB’s awful play
Definitely was a factor, but at the same time, nice to see them to take advantage of it, rather than play down and make it close.
Don't make me bring out the Silky.
thats key, taking advantage of it.
The Islanders came out flying and looked poise to score first until that first goal. They could have really let up there, but they kept on plugging and playing and just took advantage of a sliding and fatigued TB team. Wish I was at the game, the crowd must have been quite happy during the game. Rock the barn on Thursday and Saturday.
by ghalbart on Dec 7, 2011 9:28 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
What has been the difference in the past few wins?
I have been trying to determine what it is about the last few games that has caused all of the extra scoring that was non-existent just 10 days ago? I really think Capuano has loosened the reigns a bit on the forecheck and the Islanders are hitting the opposing team with more speed and creating more turnovers.
It looked, to me at least, like they started the season by playing passively trying to eliminate mistakes on the forecheck rather than forcing the opposing teams into errors. That passive style wasn’t working and the Islanders were constantly chasing pucks and losing races in their own end. Forechecking a little harder and deeper has given them the chance to generate more offense and less time standing still while the puck transitions past them.
I think the call-ups/additions have aided this as well though.
We increased our physicality, speed and energy a tad with the call-ups/additions of Nino, Ullstrom, Haley, Reese, and Wallace.
and the change in style has aided KO and Bailey's games as well.
…and, the benching seems to have helped KO quite a bit, as has the departure of Comeau helped Bailey. In summary, several solid moves have helped and Cappy and Snow deserve some credit…..change in style, solidification in net by Montoya(yes injury aided), additions/call-ups, and the benching of KO and send-off of Comeau. …and we’ve only scratched the surface with our prospect call-ups. Two things we need IMO —a top 4 dman and a veteran wing sniper. I’m also in the camp that we should sign PAP, Franz and Montoya to smart 3 year deals all in the area of what Moulson got….3 years 9 mil I believe.
Yeah, I think KO's ability/willingness to use his SPEED
…is a huge reason for the turnaround. (Perhaps KO helped the turnaround more than any other player.) I don’t remember KO being this fast.
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by North Dakota Red Eagle on Dec 7, 2011 12:09 PM EST up reply actions
Seeing Martin, Ullstrom, KO, PAP now all out on the forecheck is a pleasant change.
I HATED their forecheck with the weak side winger staying high. Now they have actual pressure below the goal line. Speed was being diminished by decision making. They were so busy thinking about when to go and not go they were caught flat footed. That’s not a speed thing, but a brain thing.
Bailey is being relied upon to play higher in the zone than the winger which better suits his defensive abilities and allows him to act as the safety valve up high instead of the wingers. Fn’GO playing against the top lines is also better suited to their skills. Have the other team’s top line worry about chances against instead of trying to make Fn’GO responsible for generating offense.
That's true
I was referring mostly to KO receiving the puck near the red line and beating the defenseman along the boards for a breakaway or 2-on-1.
But his forechecking does look better.
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by North Dakota Red Eagle on Dec 7, 2011 12:29 PM EST up reply actions
I was wondering how long into the season before we would see an old KO toe drag to the net.
and I saw the first one in recetn memory a couple of games after the benching. The move rarely works, but when he is confident it is evident since he tries it more often. Now I just wish he would drop his shoulder and muscle his way to the net instead of pretending he is going to dance around the defender.
Working to the teams strengths
solidification in net by Montoya(yes injury aided),
Or injury recovery aided if we are to believe Montoya didn’t get starts due to his injury.
Everything else I’m 100% on-board with. I had written that KO and the enigma twins needed to be benched or finally played to death. KO was benched, COZO was sent into orbit and Bailey has now been playing major minutes with improved results.
by Hockey1919 on Dec 7, 2011 12:09 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Very true
How often do we see Isles (and other hockey teams) play down to their opponents’ performances?
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by North Dakota Red Eagle on Dec 7, 2011 9:51 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Yeah, Howie mentioned their plane arrived to JFK at 3 AM
was diverted due to fog. We caught a team with little sleep on a losing streak starting a marginal goalie…but we still owned the game
3 a.m.
That sounds familiar. Wasn’t that the time the Isles’ plane arrived before their win in Dallas last week?
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by North Dakota Red Eagle on Dec 7, 2011 9:50 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
KO has turned his game around recently. Very impressive. The driving towards the net was nice too.
I even saw Nielsen drive the net once last night and he’s anything but a big body.
What do you mean they won 4 cups in a row? Is that possible?
Running Total and Defensemen Grades
Kyle 3, Post 2.
It was difficult to grade for this game because defensemen weren’t pressured much at all. They were all puck-movers this game, but that’s sort of expected when they have that much time/space.
Streit: B+. He and Hamonic look good together. If the other 4 can play decently, they could possibly stay together even when AMac comes back.
2.976 (25 games played)
Staios: C. Not bad, but probably weakest of the D this game.
2.256 (25)
Hamonic: B+. Better towards the beginning of the game, but still solid throughout.
3.182 (25)
Jurcina: C+. A little better than we’re used to seeing.
2.131 (16)
Mottau: C+. A good game. I’ve been saying he would be a good defenseman if only he didn’t have to defend. This game is good evidence.
1.909 (18)
Reese: C. A little less than I expected from Reese, given the last two games. He was fine out there, but not quite as savvy as I expected.
2.233 (3)
Not in action:
Eaton:
2.131 (16)
AMac: B.
2.694 (22)
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by North Dakota Red Eagle on Dec 7, 2011 12:29 PM EST reply actions
1-3-1 is the perfect no pressure forecheck for the Islanders slow D.
Probably why we saw so little of it and why the Islanders have 2W-1L advantage against the Bolts this season. Aggresive forechecks like the Panthers seem to be using and Campbell’s quick transition are the match-ups that expose this D the most or Toews forecheck on the PK.
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May 24, 1980: Tonelli to Nystrom. At long last, the steady build of the New York Islanders from expansion doormat to surprise semifinalist to annual contender reaches the promised land: Buoyed by a late season trade for Butch Goring that gave the team the depth up the middle GM Bill Torrey had been seeking, the Islanders knock off the Philadelphia Flyers in six games.
The victory justified the faith in coach Al Arbour who guided them from their second season to their first Stanley Cup seven seasons later. The Islanders would not be the first expansion team to win the Stanley Cup, but they would be the only one capable of a dynasty.
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May 21, 1981: This time it was much easier. After falling to "only" 91 points in the 1979-80 season, the Islanders returned to their division title tradition, piling up 110 points -- a whole 13 points over second-place Philadelphia.
Between the quarterfinals (where they beat the upstart Oilers in six games) and the finals, the Islanders reeled off eight consecutive wins -- with a four-game sweep of archrival Rangers in between. As they defeated the Minnesota North Stars in five games for their second Cup, their goal difference in the final was a combined +10.
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May 16, 1982: Another year, another landslide title. The Islanders won the Patrick Division by a whopping 26 points over the second-place Rangers, and were seven points clear of their nearest competition for the President's Trophy, the still-not-quite-ripe Edmonton Oilers.
A first-round scare against the Pittsburgh Penguins turned in the Isles' favor thanks to John Tonelli's heroics, and a true dynasty was on its way: Past the Rangers in six games, then an eight-game sweep of the Quebec Nordiques and Vancouver Canucks to run away with the Stanley Cup.
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May 17, 1983: Not so fast, whipper-snappers. The Edmonton Oilers' steadily rising challenge for league supremacy took them all the way to the finals for the first time, where the New York Islanders summarily dispatched them in a four-game sweep. For the Islanders, the Dynasty was secured. For the Oilers, it was a powerful lesson in where talent ends and the demands of playoff hockey begin.
Four years, four Cups, 16 consecutive playoff series wins (a record that would grow to 19 until the rematch with the Oilers the following year). Mike Bossy scored 60 goals yet again, and Wayne Gretzky became acquainted with Billy Smith's crease.
