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Islanders vs. Oilers: Ken Morrow Gameday

It's a tale of two shoulders (or three, really).

Shoulder One: Mark Streit was a key bright spot in two otherwise ugly seasons before a severe shoulder injury wiped out all of 2010-11. A plus player on Islanders teams that bled goals his first two years, this season he's minus-15 and on pace for fewer shots and fewer goals than his two healthy years. Some wonder if he's slowed down, if it's a normal year post-major rehab, if it's because he's 34 (this month), if it's normal variance, or if it's Steve Staios (who's missed the last seven games with a concussion).


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Oilers (15-18-3, 13th/W) @ Islanders (12-17-6, 15th/E)
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Treating Steve like we treated Jeff:
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Shoulder(s) Two (and Three): Ales Hemsky draws the "enigmatic soft Euro" card, but all he did was appear in 86% of the first 517 possible games of his career, putting up a little shy of two shots and one point per game since the lockout. Then shoulder injuries struck, and it's been two years of hell. He's on his way back, but rehab is hard, some of his opportunities have gone to younger tanksgiving teammates, and the pending UFA looks like he might be run out of town in the fine tradition of Oilers stars before him.

Star-divide

Even after the 69-plus games of struggles post-injury, Hemsky has 406 points in 513 career games. The shoulders remain a worry at this stage, but Hemsky is still 28. Some contender may get a nice rental this spring. Some free-spending team might get a bargain injury discount next summer.

If the Oilers don't retain Hemsky, despite their influx of enviable drafted forwards, that rebuild will be doing one step forward, one step back. He's known more for his hands and points, but he's always been a fantastic possession player. If I could do the Ryan Smyth trade again this year, except for Hemsky, and except magically assuring Hemsky would sign an extension, I just might do it. (Well, not the first round pick, but...)

In any case, Streit and Hemsky make two interesting cases. Streit has another year left on his deal and is much older (though also a defenseman, who tend to age more gracefully), so he doesn't require the decision Hemsky's situation requires of Edmonton. But you're watching for how his game evolves and rebounds as he could potentially be a valuable rental to someone next year, if it came to that for the captain.

Hemsky has less time on his contract to prove his shoulders are fit, but by age he's just entering his Hossa As Annual Cup Finalist years. If I were a contender I'd call. If I were a free agent shopper next summer I'd definitely call.

Notes

Today's Lineup

So this is weird, an afternoon game on New Year's Eve. It just feels all out of sorts. Hopefully the Oilers, playing at 11 a.m. their time, feel the same. Hopefully they're focused on partying in the city tonight or something.

They haven't been good for the past two months -- folks who coronated their rebuild as "arrived" in October, please stand up -- and they're coming off a rough loss to division rival Minnesota Wild (who are also coming back down to Planet Regression).

I can't imagine what lineup changes might be made for today, but stay tuned. Or watch. It's in the afternoon, remember. The partying comes later.

Quotable

Jack Capuano on Nino Niederreiter, who should be in the AHL but can't:

"For a young player like Nino, every day is going to be a challenge," Islanders Head Coach Jack Capuano said. "Every game is going to be a challenge. We make mistakes as a team and there are still mistakes that he’s going to make and he’s going to continue to make. It’s a matter of video, it’s a matter of teaching and sitting down with him."

Capuano continued, "You don’t get that time and space that you get in the Western Hockey League. So for a young kid to come in, he’s a high-character guy, he’s a good teammate and he wants to get better every day. He’s very coachable. There are some things he still has to continue to work on."

I'd prefer him in the AHL (but alas, the CHL must be served), would concede him in the WHL, but confess to being curious how his lessons and development go in the next 40 games since he's here to stay.

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Hemsky is that young?

It seems like he’s been around forever.

by Dougtone on Dec 31, 2011 6:35 AM EST reply actions  

Cappy on Nino (translated)

“Garth, you charge me with making this team into a playoff team, then you strap me with more AHL coaching duties.”
I like the idea of having one or two rookies on the team to give it energy. The team is still in the midst of a rebuild, so maybe three. But the team (organization) is mature enough in the rebuild to not make the same mistakes it did three years ago.
Young guys, unless tavares level, should HAVE TO be staged through the AHL before taxing the coaching staff with this type of babysitting.
I love what Nino will eventually bring, but Nino isn’t a piece of a playoff team. They had Ullstrom, Dibo, Colliton and Haley to fill that role. Now they even have Wallace. All have been through the AHL grind and are easier to transition.
All you’re gonna do to Nino is get him hurt, and put undue pressure on him to be something he CAN be before his time. It would be better to have people snipe, “Why are you burying him in Portland… there’s nothing for him to learn there”, than, “why is he giving up scoring chances left and right and getting owned by predatory hits”

I've had enough! It's time to call out Garth Snow!
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by JPinVA on Dec 31, 2011 8:21 AM EST reply actions  

They also have

Rakh and eventually Czikas (this season). You’re right, complete the junior career, then play a minimum of one season in the AHL before fighting for a spot on the big club. Learn the big club system properly in the minor and then you go for it.

I don’t really buy the argument that he can’t learn anymore in the WHL. There are always things for such a young player to learn. If not, getting close to 20 minutes a game on a really good team (Which Portland is) don’t really HURT your development. I mean, Jonathan Huberdeau was dominating the QMJHL and then became the MVP of the Memorial Cup, I guess he doesn’t have much more to learn in the juniors either. Look how Mikkel Böddker of Phoneix was brought up, we don’t want that happen to Nino (although Böddker has started to play better lately).

Agree that WHL is not the best solution for him but not sure at all that NHL is the right place to continue your junior career when you are 19 years old. Especially on a team that is as fragile as Islanders right now.

by DavidSweden on Dec 31, 2011 10:48 AM EST up reply actions  

I still find it amusing

that people think Bailey was rushed, great to say in hindsight but how do we know for sure. If he sepnt more time in Juniors did that automatically make mean he was Adam Oates? AS for Nino yeah maybe he should be at Portland but big deal put him on the ice and giving him 4th line minutes in the nhl isn’t going to make or break him. In just about every profession you get better by learning and working with the best why is the NHL any different? In the Nfl good QB’s play well with scrubs just as well as superstars, see Tom Brady, and Drew Brees who neither have had a wr corps of pro bowlers?

by Madchef on Dec 31, 2011 12:46 PM EST up reply actions  

Not sure what you do, or at what level...

but if you were to become the CEO of a fortune 500 company out of college do you think you would have been able to handle it. Doing it for a few months might give you some great experience, but you’re not adding much to the value of the company, and there is very little chance for your success.
I agree that there is no way to tell where Josh would be as an NHL player had they gone the other route, but it’s safe to say he’d have been placed in a better envirlnment if this was his first NHL season… If the islanders had any clout amongst UFA’s that would have been the proper path. Now that they really don’t need Nino, except for his inflated cap hit, it should be a no brainer to have him in Portland and then Bridgeport.
But we want to make this about the two players, instead of the organization, and the fans who deserve better. So.. let’s just argue that Josh and Nino possibly will learn more from being CHUM.

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by JPinVA on Jan 2, 2012 11:52 PM EST up reply actions  

If I may ask...

Why cnt the Islanders afford the same opportunities to NIno N. that they gave other 1st round picks recently (JT and Bailey)?

We all know he’ll make mistakes…but why cnt Nino be on a second line, constructed with teammates that could offset his weaknesses?

by BattFist on Dec 31, 2011 8:53 AM EST reply actions  

The real question to ask is...

Why cant the Isles afford Nino the chance to develop the right way on the AHL unlike Bailey? Bailey was a mistake and the Isles didnt learn from it…In Garths defense, tho, the team was a shell back then and we needed all the help we could get…So the Isles could afford to let Bails develop on the NHL club although it was a detriment to his over all development…Now we have a team that can afford Nino the chance to develop the right way, slow and steady in the AHL..But they are keeping him up here because Garth made a promise, lol…Tavares, on the other hand, is a different animal…He was a 1st over all pick and was above and beyond most in his draft class and fit right in the NHL…

by KO21 on Dec 31, 2011 9:18 AM EST up reply actions  

The real question to ask is…
Why cant the Isles afford Nino the chance to develop the right way on the AHL unlike Bailey?

??? I am confused at what youre asking.
Nino CANT play in the AHL, its been talked about so much (including in this very article!)

BTW, Dom-

I’d prefer him in the AHL (but alas, the CHL must be served)

I am confused by this, too. Were you talking about the CBA here?

Let Us Go, Islanders! (Ever notice how strange that sounds without the contraction?)

by TheMetalChick on Dec 31, 2011 9:42 AM EST up reply actions  

If a player is under 20 at the start of the season and has already played for a junior team

they cannot go to the AHL except on a short conditioning stint like Nino did earlier in the season. It’s a CBA thing.

No Sleep 'til....Belmont?

by Anarcurt on Dec 31, 2011 10:10 AM EST up reply actions  

Because theres a minimual age or something to that effect

Nino is either in the NHL or in juniors. I think he’d be better of in juniors because of the fact that we have players to fill that role. But 4th line duty similar to what Boston did with the Bruins isn’t Baileying him.

Constantly building for the future.

by pgat28 on Dec 31, 2011 10:11 AM EST up reply actions  

Could very well be

That the Islanders are copying the Bruins strategy here (Seguin).

I’d just like to see the young man play more….

Lets Go Islanders! Get a win today…

by BattFist on Dec 31, 2011 10:41 AM EST up reply actions  

I think

the reasn the clause is in the CBA is at the insistence of the CHL

STOP effin' messin' with my FnGO!!

by Nova Scotia Isles Fan on Dec 31, 2011 10:17 AM EST up reply actions  

That makes sense :)

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by TheMetalChick on Dec 31, 2011 5:30 PM EST up reply actions  

Unpopular answer

because if you think this team is playing horribly now, try watching Nino play 18 minutes a night against quality opponents. He’d be a minus 30 already with six concussions.

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by Keith Quinn on Dec 31, 2011 10:57 AM EST up reply actions   2 recs

If......

Everyone thinks Nino isn’t ready (as do I). Then why do some many people talk about Ryan Strome making the team next year.. Do you guys really think Strome will able to play NHL level if Nino who is physically ready to play isn’t mentally ready.

by The boogieman on Dec 31, 2011 11:35 AM EST up reply actions  

Just my opinion

but I felt that Strome’s biggest obstacle was size while Nino’s is situational awareness and skating. Noteworthy though is that there have been a bunch of undersized rookies lately that have contributed and played well.

However, you are correct, they are different players and Strome may not be ready next year either…but by the time next season rolls around, you may be able to shelter Strome (or Kabanov or Petrov) in ways that you can’t shelter Nino this year.

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by Keith Quinn on Dec 31, 2011 11:46 AM EST up reply actions  

Ok...

Why is Nino on the team if they cnt properly “shelter” him?

Im not suggesting he is NHL ready, your points are well taken, but I dnt believe its helping NIno one bit playing on a line with Marty Reasoner and Tim Wallace.

Why not put him on a line with Frans? Let Frans pull some Yoda type teaching….

Its just dissappointing to see him waste away on a 4th line. But I do understand what your saying….

by BattFist on Dec 31, 2011 2:02 PM EST up reply actions  

I understand what you're saying too

just a crap situation…compounded by his injury. I mean, lets face it, he’s not good enough right now to be in the top 6. Maybe if he wasn’t hurt, he’d be closer, but I don’t really think he is outperforming anyone short of Reasoner and Rolston right now (if that). But, they sunk the eggs in that basket, and now need his cap hit.

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by Keith Quinn on Dec 31, 2011 4:04 PM EST up reply actions  

Hemsky

I’ve seen this guy play on TV a lot and, laugh if you must, he reminds me in some ways of Malkin. He has that truelly elite talent level, but he’s been stuck playing with a bunch of stiffs in Edmonton. What a show he could put on with Grabner.

by 4195mary on Dec 31, 2011 9:03 AM EST reply actions  

There Was Never Any Point Sticking Nino Back in the WHL

He already went back to juniors last year and scored at almost a goal a game pace. Size-wise, he’s already an NHL player. What was the point of sending Nino back to play against kids who he’s far better than? He would have just wound up dominating again and not learning. That’s an easy way to regress because you don’t have to put out a maximum effort.

Better that Nino step up and play at a level that might be a little over his head than play in a league where he was already dominating. And really, he hasn’t looked that out of place at all. The more confidence he gets, the much better he’s going to play.

by rmblifn on Dec 31, 2011 10:06 AM EST reply actions   2 recs

Agreed

Too many people think we are doing the same thing with him that we did to Bailey. There is nothing left for Nino to learn in Portland, and in my opinion he will learn more from being around the guys in the locker room and playing in a place he cant dominate

by nyidangle17 on Dec 31, 2011 12:15 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't

care if we beat the Rangers or the Pens. If we dont beat ed-ed-ed, hell I can’t even say the name of the player and franchise stealing bastards! 32 years later and the heart break and pain will not subside. A loss today, and I swear I won’t watch em again! ( well maybe until next year)

Positive Waves! Indianapolis Racers (1974-1978)

by skeeterman on Dec 31, 2011 10:14 AM EST reply actions  

HEAR, HEAR!

REC +1

Positive Waves! Indianapolis Racers (1974-1978)

by skeeterman on Dec 31, 2011 10:18 AM EST up reply actions  

REC +2

...from the days of KOHO sticks, optional helmets, and two Potvins on the point.

by vrwc on Dec 31, 2011 10:44 AM EST up reply actions  

Screw it, put Nino in PAP's spot already.

PAP can handle another line, though he may fit best on the first, and Nino will actually get useful playing time in a role he might actually play next year.

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by garik16 on Dec 31, 2011 10:31 AM EST reply actions  

He’ll be facing better competition, and do you really want to mess with the one line that’s actually scoring?

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by Mark D on Dec 31, 2011 11:02 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Yes.

The team’s given up on competing this year. Oh and Cappy’s already messed with that line by switching PAP and Okposo.

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by garik16 on Dec 31, 2011 11:06 AM EST up reply actions  

But switching to Okposo

on the first line was an upgrade for that line, not a downgrade. I don’t know if Nino is ready or not to play against stiffer competition, but KO and JT already played on a line together, both have played against top line d pairings, and both have a couple of seasons in the NHL under their belt. I view KO going to the JT/MM line as a way to make that line a little more dangerous and I don’t see that with Nino on that line.

by IDCWhoYouLike on Dec 31, 2011 12:36 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

The team’s given up on competing this year.

Let Us Go, Islanders! (Ever notice how strange that sounds without the contraction?)

by TheMetalChick on Dec 31, 2011 5:43 PM EST up reply actions  

What kind of mental gymnsastics need to be done

to convince yourself that the guy who just cross-checked someone in the head was “sucker punched”? Any time I ever hit anybody dirty, and managed to be “sucker punched”, that would be my fault for not expecting to be hit back.

Never turn your back on a guy you’ve just hit with a stick

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by Keith Quinn on Dec 31, 2011 11:02 AM EST reply actions   2 recs

I completely agree

Everything I have read on this so far makes it seem like Del Zero was an innocent bystander. That is not the case. He cross-checked Kopecky high, and then slashed at his head. Then he turns his back like, “Nothing happened, nothing to see here.” Good for Kopecky sticking up for himself. I think he should have turned Del Zero before hitting him, but what can you do.

And Rupp better be suspended. That was chicken shit by him. The ref has Kopecky, you pull him away, and then you pummel him. Not to mention he’s not a fighter at all. Complete lack of class and a chicken shit move.

by billymac23 on Dec 31, 2011 11:50 AM EST up reply actions  

That's just Rupp doing his job. Same with Haley ripping Talbot out of that giant scrum during the brawl game and destroying him.

I know people might not like it, but that’s exactly what rupp is paid for. Think of it this way. What would you want to do if the person who got sucker punched was DeHaan? Very similar situation.

What do you mean they won 4 cups in a row? Is that possible?

by OzzyFan on Dec 31, 2011 12:16 PM EST up reply actions  

Old time hockey and Eye for and eye!

We are all Islanders, even if we’re from Jersey!

by Russel Ginart on Dec 31, 2011 12:13 PM EST up reply actions  

NYIslanders @NYIslanders 36m
Nabokov will start. Seven d-men will warm up with the determination on who is in/out to be made at game time. #isles

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by Keith Quinn on Dec 31, 2011 11:47 AM EST reply actions   1 recs

NYIslanders @NYIslanders 5m
From the looks of warmups, Streit will be with Staios, Hamonic with MacDonald, and Eaton with Jurcina. #isles

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by Keith Quinn on Dec 31, 2011 12:46 PM EST reply actions  

Funny Morrow tid bit

A couple days before game 4 of the 82 finals, Ken went fishing and caught a 18lb. salmon. Funny part was boat was owned by the top Canuck scout!

Positive Waves! Indianapolis Racers (1974-1978)

by skeeterman on Dec 31, 2011 12:52 PM EST reply actions  


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