What are the Islanders doing with Nino?
by mordred0831 on Dec 30, 2011 2:42 PM EST
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Didn't they learn their lesson with Josh Bailey? I guess they haven't. Here is a top 5 pick from 2010 NHL Draft and again they are screwing with another kid's development. Before the season started it looked like the Islanders wanted him on the 1st line with JT and Moulson, but he got hurt and gave Parenteau the chance to regain his 1st line status. A talent such as Nino should not be wasted on 4th line duty playing 9-10 Minutes a game. If after he was hurt and the team felt he wasn't ready for 1st or 2nd line duty then they should have sent him back to the Juniors. This is not Monday Morning Quarterbacking. I have said this during training camp also. Besides not getting enough ice time the Islanders have also put him in a no win situation. He has no talent around him. I figured when Cappi said Line changes were immanent I thought Nino would have been added to the 1st or 2nd line, but NOOOOOOO!!!! The Islanders put the biggest waste product on this team, Rolston, on 2nd line duty. I do not know what games Garth and Cappi are watching, but to say Rolston deserved a chance to move to the 2nd line, and have Prime Time PP duty, they must be out of their minds. To me he should be the daily healthy scratch.
I do not believe the Islanders have any clue of how to develop top endtalent. Unless you have a GREAT player, you should not have a player start right away in the NHL. Let them have all the time they can in the Juniors. Let them dominate and develop a winning attitude. I do not have a problem with giving a player a 9 game look and sending them back. If the Islanders were not happy with Nino's play, then they should have sent him back to the Juniors. Now its too late.
By having Nino wasted for only 9 minutes a game and on a line with no talent you are stunting this very talented kids growth. Bailey should have not played in the NHL until last season. he was rushed and now they made the same mistake with Nino. The definition of insanity is to do the same thing over and over and expect different results. Way to go Garth!!!!!!!!
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played on the 1st line during the preseason – a move I imagine to see what he could do in the best of his situations.
Iirc, his age restricts him from joining the AHL this year. The Islanders options were to either send him back to juniors or keep him in the NHL (and I don’t think he could have been recalled.. could be wrong about that tho). The coaching staff and snow felt like he’d gain nothing by returning to juniors for another season. While you might feel like him getting small bits of ice time (when he’s in the lineup) is a bad choice, it’s the lesser of two evils.
I’d expect to see more of him as the season progresses. Also: seeing as Islander games have been ridiculously close this season for the most part (and with them often trailing), it’s not the best situation to be sending a very green rookie out every other shift. Isles actually are trying to win and not teach this year.
by TA on Dec 30, 2011 3:15 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
It's unfair to compare Nino's situation with Josh's.
There are some major differences between them. For starters, Nino was given a year to develop in jr’s, where he left little to be desired. He’s also bigger and stronger than Josh. But the biggest difference is the state of the team during the players rookie seasons. In an ideal situation, Bailey would have spent the 08-09 season in jr’s, then stepped in as the #3 center the following season.
I think they’re doing the right thing with Nino. He already knows how to score and will be fine once he learns the fundamentals of the pro game. Playing 3rd/4th line minutes will round him into a complete player. He’ll be a great top 6 later on.
"Oh no. He's got some speed. I might have to take his legs out." Rick DiPietro shortly before the first stitch came out.
by backstop87 on Dec 30, 2011 4:14 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
The good and the bad
The good thing for Bailey is that he wasn’t limited in the amount of ice time he received, the bad thing was that he was overmatched for most of the seaon and asked to do too much.
I agree it is a different situation. The knock on bringing players up too soon is that they don’t get enough playing time, but time and again we are say Bailey was brought up too soon and counted on too much. In Nino’s case, they aren’t forced to play him when he isn’t ready, but have the ability to use him more as they see fit. What I can’t say for sure is what type of off-ice coaching he is receiving, but at least he is learning the “system”.
Nino is only in the NHL for his cap hit, and is on the 4th line because of Cappy.
I’d prefer him playing 20min/gm in Portland instead of 9min/gm here too, but Garth screwed up and didn’t even make that a possible option. I think Nino’s development will be slowed down because of this, but I don’t think it will be derailed. Nino has obviously flashed that shot, and that’s the big reason we drafted him, + his physicality and size. As long as Nino knows where to go in the o-zone to score, can play some d, and still has that shot we should be fine. We should eventually have the 25-30goal(we’ll say) top 6 forward we drafted.
What do you mean they won 4 cups in a row? Is that possible?
That said, I think he should get 3rd line minutes for his development and offensive chemistry. Wallace/Pandolfo and Reasoner as linemates is no way to help a top 6 goalscoring talent develop his offensive game and flow.
What do you mean they won 4 cups in a row? Is that possible?
I'm ok with him on the 4th line.
He needs to adjust to the NHL, and a few minutes each night will help him adjust while not hurting the team, which, I know, is hurting enough. But for his development, he’s better off getting 5-10 minutes 4th line duty in the NHL then 20 minutes or more in Portland. I’m not worried about Nino and I like the way they’re handling him. Easing him in.
by Les Beaver on Dec 31, 2011 12:54 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
I actually agree with what they are doing with Nino...
It’s much like what Boston did with Seguin last year – the kid is too talented and has spent his time in the minors. It’s good to have him playing a limited role to work on his overall game, get used to the 82-game grind, practice with an NHL team and get used to the speed of the game.
Nino doesn’t have any pressure on him on the 4th line. They said Nino has some areas of his game to work on. It’s best he learns them in practice with a fast NHL team at the NHL pace with more skilled players, then get ~9 minutes a night to work on those areas of his game against the other team’s 3rd/4th line. If he was playing 2nd line he’d be against better forwards/defense and not be able to work on his game.
Expect to see him make the jump to the 2nd line next year. Putting him on the 4th line is like putting him in the AHL but allowing him to practice/be around the NHL guys.
I like where he is.
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by kcNYI on Dec 30, 2011 4:41 PM EST reply actions 6 recs
Yeah I have no problems
I’d add more but you hit it on the head.
No Sleep 'til....Belmont?
"Pressure" is the key word
On the fourth line, Nino gets to hone his game against other team’s fourth lines (usually). Bailey was expected to be the 2nd/3rd line center for a team going nowhere playing against other team’s top nine. He wasn’t ready, but he’s still here and still only 22 (right?).
We’d all like to see him in the AHL. The rule keeping him out is ridiculous.
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Not even sure about the AHL at this point
Nino is one of those borderline talents that will play at the NHL level, just a question of when and how effective he will be. Does it serve him to play in the AHL with plenty of career AHLers looking to make a name? The grit it out energy guys need to fight their way out of the AHL, the skilled guys may just be hindered by it.
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Well said sir. You articulated what I tried to.
"Oh no. He's got some speed. I might have to take his legs out." Rick DiPietro shortly before the first stitch came out.
He belongs in the AHL this season
However, that isn’t an option because of some stupid, construed agreement between the NHL and CHL regarding European import players. He can’t go there until he’s 20, which sucks.
That said, since he has to be here or juniors, I want him here. Sending him back to juniors would do nothing to help him and allow him to develop lazy habits while also hurting his confidence.
Keeping him on the fourth line isn’t the ideal situation, but he’s not ready for top-6 minutes, and he’s seen some time on the third line. But the fourth line allows him to watch the game ice-level, listen to what the coaches have to see during a game, and study the way other teams play the game. I don’t think this will last, and by the end of the season he’ll probably be a third-line regular who’s getting a taste of top-6 time. I don’t mind this at all, given the circumstances.
What happens next season?
After spending a year with the big club, does Nino have to pass through waivers to play in Bridgeport next season? (Assuming he doesn’t really light the NHL on fire in the second half of the season.)
Hoping that Haley comes around more than once every 75 years.
I'm pretty sure he wouldn't have enough games under his belt to be waiver eligible.
No Sleep 'til....Belmont?
I'd be very surprised if he doesn't get some AHL time next season
But who knows, he has 40 days of “curve” of some sort left now, plus I bet they give him every chance to make the NHL squad next year.
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The way it should be...
1- Moulson / Tavares / Okposo
2- Grabner / Bailey / NINO or P.A.
2A- Martin / Nielson / Parenteau or NINO
4- Rolston / Reasoner / Haley (Pandolfo)
Nino should not be playing on the fourth line.
Rolston & Pandolfo when healthy, are costing Nino minutes. That’s what it comes down to. I would much rather see Nino than Pandolfo & Rolston.
The way I would like it to be
1- Moulson / Tavares / Okposo
2- Martin / Bailey / P.A.
2A- Grabner/ Nielson / NINO
4- Rolston / Reasoner / Haley (Pandolfo)
I’d like to see Bailey with a proven top six forward, PA is a top six forward. Add Martin in to clean up along the boards and add a nice element to the forecheck on that line. Nino playing with Grabs and Nielson allows his defensive immaturity to be covered while playing more minutes and taking a breather during the PK. Ice time between 2 and 2A would vary depending on which line seem to have it that night and would just eat into the fourth line.
Put PA back out with JT and MaMo on the first line PP. Keep Grabner and Neilsen free for PK work. Overall, I’d like to see Bailey get a lot more “responsible” minutes like PK and PP. He seems like he needs to be counted on and challenged in order to perform.
I have no idea what the plan is for Nino, but what I know is:
Nino has outgrown juniors, is not ready for NHL and should be in AHL, but rules don’t allow it for one more year.
by CanadianIsleslifer on Jan 4, 2012 11:34 AM EST reply actions
I'm a bit sick of these excuses. Josh Bailey is going to be whatever he was going to be and the same with Nino.
If Nino doesn’t pan out (that would be a killer BTW, the #5 pick) its because he was a bad choice not because he was mishandled.
by TMS71 on Jan 4, 2012 7:45 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
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