Blackhawks 5*, Islanders 4 (*SO): Only 77 Shots, with Nino's Paying Off
Forget the breakaway contest thingy they used to award a bonus point: The New York Islanders and Chicago Blackhawks played a shockingly entertaining -- and in turns maddening -- game to a 4-4 tie through 65 minutes that featured 77 total shots (41 for the Isles, and never more than a one-goal margin).
Nino Niederreiter scored his first goal of the season midway through the third period on a sweet wrist shot to tie it at 4-4, and Jonathan Toews converted the only shootout attempt to make Hawks fans feel a little better about surviving the scare.
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It was an insane game, with the Islanders appearing to take the Blackhawks by surprise in the first, taking a 2-1 lead. The Hawks returned to their dominant selves in the second period, entering the third with a 3-2 lead ... only to give up that lead twice as the Isles outshot them 23-7 in the final frame (with at least four of those Hawks shots coming in a final minute scramble).
Game Highlights
The Fourth Line Giveth, and the Fourth Line Taketh Away
The line of Niederreiter with Marty Reasoner and Matt Martin, backed by Milan Jurcina and Steve Staios, was victimized on each of the Hawks' first two goals, but they made up for it in a big way when Reasoner's play up the boards found Martin, who found an open Niederreiter streaking through the middle.
Nino had a Hawks defensemen in pursuit, narrowing his potential to deke, so Nino pulled Corey Crawford to his left just enough while unleashing a low hard wrist shot to the far post. The kind of nice, in-the-clear finish that has been all too rare this season.
Nino (7:17 TOI) and Martin (9:28) appeared particularly late in getting back on the odd-man rush that led to Andrew Brunette's goal, so that bears watching as the 19-year-old continues to adjust to NHL hockey. It's frankly a fun process to watch: His physical tools are there, but three-zone play is the last part most young forwards pick up, so we'll see how it goes.
Tavares Still Snake-Bitten, But Gets a Couple of Points
John Tavares made some excellent plays throughout that deserved better, including an ankle-breaking move late in the third that squeaked through Crawford but stopped a foot short of going in. That could have, should have been the winner, but not during this slump.
Fortunately, on one of the Islanders' two powerplay goals against the awful Hawks PK Tavares was credited with an assist as P.A. Parenteau picked up a bounce in the slot (via Matt Moulson's body) and buried it to tie it at 3-3 early in the third period. Tavares also collected an assist on Moulson's excellent snipe late in the first to give the Isles a 2-1 lead.
Al Montoya Made This Possible
As competitive as the Islanders were in the first, and strangely dominant in the third, getting to OT wouldn't have been possible if not for Montoya standing on his head throughout the second period. (To be fair, Crawford did his part in the third, as did his posts.)
The best may have been in the first, when a bad Mark Streit pass ended up creating a great horizontal chance for the Hawks. Prone and sprawling, Montoya dropped his stick to free up his blocker hand, stopping the puck with the palm side of that glove. Watch here:
Here he is on Newsday, about playing in his hometown in the NHL:
"Emotionally, that's the hardest thing I've ever had to do in hockey," he said after making 32 saves. "It was also the neatest thing ever. But I'm glad it's over with."
Shootout: No Danish Joy
Frans Nielsen went back to his patented backhand as the first shooter, and Crawford was ready for it, but rather than it being too predictable I think Nielsen simply never sold enough of a forehand option to make Crawford doubt. Toews did an "early release" shot to sneak the puck by Montoya low before he was set. Nino tried multiple moves and almost ran out of room as he failed to convert his first career attempt. Matt Moulson, the last-ditch effort shooter, beat Crawford but hit his post.
Skills competition over, bonus point not won, but five points out of a possible six so far on this run of four consecutive games away from Nassau Coliseum.
Other Notes
- Mike Mottau also saved a goal and made a couple of other nice plays, to go with the usual. Dylan Reese, his partner, acquitted himself nicely.
- Jurcina and Staios, who weren't on the ice for Nino's goal, finished minus-3. Jurcina had 2:40 of PP time.
- Brian Rolston's point shots on the powerplay were more accurate tonight, creating good rebounds off of Crawford's pads, including the juicy one that Kyle Okposo converted to open the scoring.
- Late in OT, Josh Bailey corralled a puck in the Isles slot and tried to feed a breaking forward with a soft backhand pass rather than collect it back in the Isles zone. It was too similar to that turnover play against the Rangers for my liking.
- Elsewhere on Bailey's line, David Ullstrom kept doing what he's been doing, which is nice.
- Ugliest moment of the night could have been a real demoralizer: Jurcina was way too casual in his own slot, allowing Toews to victimize him for a shorthanded goal and a late second-period Hawks lead.
- Joel Quenneville kept Jonathan Toews away from Nielsen -- although on one of their few encounters together, Toews eluded Nielsen for a clear shot on Montoya -- as he made Tavares & Co. face Toews all night long. Tavares finished +1, Toews finished even, but that's not quite a reflection of how that matchup went. Each had their chances but Toews' line controlled play more. Still, I'm alright with how that matched up. It was actually the fourth line (combined with Jurcina-Staios) that ended up costing the Isles goals against.
Butch Goring Line of the Night:
"Looks like [Al Montoya] has some ... pretty interesting fans."
Runner-Up Goring Line of the Night:
An time he had to say "Niederreiter" fast.
Overall, pleasantly surprised by the entertainment and the chance to win as the game wound down. That may have been the Islanders' best third period of the season, and the multiple comebacks after the awful second period were a nice sign.
Also, Montoya. He's out $3800 on tickets for friends and family and gave up four goals, but it had to be a thrill to play to the shootout in Chicago, making 31 saves -- including his share of highlight makers.
Note: No separate plus/minus thread tonight, as with the team playing in Dallas tonight we'll have enough threads in the next 24 hours. Just leave your plus/minus analysis here.
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Fun game
I have a feeling a JT explosion is coming soon. It’s getting ridiculous.
I’m looking for DP’s first road game tomorrow night. I’d rather them not run Al into the ground after being hurt. Sitting tomorrow would give him three days off, and let him handle two, or maybe all three, of next week’s home games.
Reese played solid. I’d like to see him in the lineup for Mottau if AMac is back tomorrow (though Mottau was the most solid he’s been all year tonight).
Great third period-I was expecting them to fold up the way Chicago was flying in the second, but instead they dominated. This really might be a different team that it was two weeks ago.
Don't make me bring out the Silky.
I'm torn on that
But I generally oppose doing back-to-back nights for the goalie, especially on the road. And it wasn’t an easy night tonight. So yeah … tomorrow’s probably DP time.
I wouldn’t mind seeing more of Reese. It’s him talking to the official site and to Newsday, but under another coach with a different lens down in BPT, it is possible that he’s at the age to make adjustments and make himself more serviceable as a depth guy. They’ve been giving him less PP time apparently, having him work on other things. You never know.
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I agree with DP but
damn I worry that it will hurt the momentum we have right now. We are gelling and having some great periods. we are not putting together as good a complete game as I would like but feel it is coming soon.
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by Rickfansince76 on Dec 3, 2011 3:39 PM EST up reply actions
Here is the Montoya save sequence
http://video.thescore.com/watch/montoya-big-save-on-kruger
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by Keith Quinn on Dec 3, 2011 12:13 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
Nice.
That’s better than the NHL video, which doesn’t show the slo-mo replay.
I added the embed above.
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cool
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by TheMetalChick on Dec 3, 2011 12:22 AM EST up reply actions
great game
A W tomorrow validates the effort in my eyes. 7 points in 4 road games kills the concept of the slump. I like that there is a quick turnaround after the 3rd period tonight. Cappy just has to say the right things to keep the energy going.
I agree that this is a different team. it’s like there is a light switch that gets turned on.
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by longbeach on Dec 3, 2011 12:14 AM EST via iPhone app reply actions
Yea
be real nice to have a big fat zero in the middle of our record for these road games.
Don't make me bring out the Silky.
great 1st and 3rd periods
I hope we can buildon the 3rd also, but worry they will get down being they played hard and lost
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by Rickfansince76 on Dec 3, 2011 3:41 PM EST up reply actions
What really killed me was JT's not going in
He deserved one, and that would’ve been too poetic and feel good for December in islanders Country.
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Miss Schremp and Tambellini yet?
Neither do I, great game, big Cubano deserved better
by Staten Islander on Dec 3, 2011 12:15 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
Ha, left field
What about Jon Sim?
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I Miss Jon Sim!
It was like watching your uncle play midnight beer league hockey. I always had a soft spot for the guy. He gave us all hope.
Ha
But my uncle was so … oh never mind. ;)
I was just entertained by Staten bringing up whipping boys of yesteryear. I did enjoy how Sim was able to get underneath other teams’ skin without being a dirty tool out there.
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I could be wrong
but I think Staten was referring to our ineptitude in shootouts this year and how those guys probably couldve helped us out, but even so, its better theyre not here.
In which case Uncle Sim does not fit in this category. Unless he had some special Uncle powers I didnt know about.
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by Chris McNally on Dec 3, 2011 2:53 AM EST up reply actions
Yes
I think that was what he was referring to. And in that regard, I was a bit surprised PA was not in the 3, but he probably would have been next.
Ah!
Thanks. Wow, that went way over my head. (Sorry, Staten. Not so left field.)
I actually do miss Tambellini’s shootouts. Like most it didn’t happen at game speed, but still pretty ballsy to stand there and basically call your shot.
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A good friend of mine is a Hawks fan- we were talking on the phone through the last half of the third through the SO.
The thing with the Hawks is that they depend on scoring like maniacs so that even when their goalies are swiss cheese, they still walk off the ice with two points. My friends really worried about the Hawks- she thinks their record makes them look a lot better than they actually are… and after watching tonight, I see why this is the concern. I was really worried about this game… but their team D is far worse than the Isles. Seriously.
The Isles played a good game… if not for the 2nd period, Id say it was an amazing game. It was great entertainment though, I can definitely say that! I love that they seemed determined tonight. I love that they saved the best for last and put it on so thick in the 3rd period. I love that they scored 4 goals. I dont love that they cannot score in the SO anymore. I hate that stupid whistling Rag fan idiot.
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crazy, isn't it?
They’ve got Keith and Seabrook and Hjalmarsson – as a trio, comparable to or better than Streit, Hamonic, and AMac (who was out tonight) – and they’re still so shaky on the blueline. Hockey is weird.
We may be in the box, but you get the penalty.
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It really is.
I remember when the Hawks matched that offer for Hjalmarsson- my friend was saying at that time what a mistake it was for them to bet the farm on him instead of Niemi (moneywise at the time it was literally one or the other, they couldnt keep both.) She liked him, but thought that the Hawks were being too optimistic that he was gonna be a great dman- and were not giving Niemi enough credit. She also was saying this summer that they were gonna miss Campbell a lot more than they realized, that his contract was blinding them to the fact that he was a solid dman. I absolutely saw what she means last night. The Blackhawks are the most run and gun, pick-off offensive minded team I can remember seeing in ages. They are so different than the teams here in the east.
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by TheMetalChick on Dec 3, 2011 9:05 AM EST up reply actions
I have a Hawks friend as well
She says that the Hawks have been very inconsistent this year. Plus, add the maddening Emery to the mix, and who knows where they will end up at the end of the season.
-Plus, they really didn’t give Niemi enough credit. He was probably the biggest factor in their cup win. He took over in net and stole the job from Crystalball(spell check please) and kept them alive with the heavy competition they faced. They were definitely a great team that year, but Niemi put them over the edge.
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Crystalball?
lol
"We can't get pushed around," Haley said. "What commentators say about us, that's their job. My job is to try and limit as many people who want to take liberties with our guys as possible."
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I'm like Butchie with a keyboard
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by pippup on Dec 3, 2011 11:11 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Campbell is one of those cap-era cases
Still a very good D-man, just an onerous contract with a very long bill. A lot of Hawks fans were def. blinded to his on-ice value last year.
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by Dominik on Dec 3, 2011 12:55 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Truth,
I don’t think it was Niemi or Huet, so much as it was Campbell, Keith, and Sgt Sopel. A goalie had a hard time staying focused on the game that year when there was a fairly good posibility that he would not see a shot get through for 5+ minutes at a time…
I am well known for being just a tad bit biased towards the D though. I honestly belive that most any goalie could have done as well as niemi that year. Huet just seemed to have a bad case of Farve syndrome, in that he seemed to lose focus if he was not getting hit once in a while.
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by burpchelischili on Dec 4, 2011 12:34 AM EST up reply actions
Pretty much agreed
I don’t think Niemi had anything special other than not being insane.
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+1 - Coaching Staff
Interesting post-game interview with Okposo. Asked about what changes were made between the second and third periods, he said the coaching staff changed the neutral zone coverage to stop the Hawks from flying through the neutral zone. And that resulted in a significant turnaround in the play which the Hawks couldn’t counter over the final period.
So here you had our coaching staff making a terrific between periods adjustment against a Cup winning team with very skilled NHL players and one of the NHL’s better coaches and not only did Cap and the staff make the right change, our players are good enough and well coached enough to execute it during the game. IMO, VERY encouraging.
by rmblifn on Dec 3, 2011 12:32 AM EST reply actions 8 recs
I agree
What ever they did, they should do it more often. The Blackhawks weren’t the first team this season to waltz into the Islanders zone untouched.
Also, they were so fast in the third which I think, and I may be totally crazy, may mask a lot of their defensive problems. Granted, they’re not always going to get 20-whatever shots in every period, but it would be interesting to see them play more of that. Interesting, and tiring for everyone.
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by rmblifn on Dec 3, 2011 12:58 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
God this is so true
It’s amazing how often people mistake being out of position for “this team looks slow”. There have been points in the season where they haven’t been moving their feet too, but mostly, it’s been that they were so far out of position that it took forever to get wherever they were going.
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by Keith Quinn on Dec 3, 2011 8:16 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
I never agreed with people saying they were slow.
We have some slow players but as a whole the team has speed.
I think that masked defensive issues last year
During the Sabres game, their announcers said the Isles were one of the few teams that give the Sabres trouble with speed.
Don’t know how true that is, but basically if Line 1 can apply pressure and Line 2 can be FNGO like they were at times tonight and they milk the Frans-Grabner combo on the PK, it does put more of the onus on the other team (and away from the NYI blueline in theory). On the other hand you had the second period tonight, which was a fire drill — although you can have a fire drill period and still have a chance most nights.
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And fire drill periods I expect
against the likes of the Pens and Hawks and Bruins…it’s against teams like Ottawa and Colorado that drives me nuts. I’m not even saying that we outclass them much. I still expect those to be tough games, but not fire drill games…and especially not 60 minutes worth.
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No doubt
/still chafed at the Colorado collapse
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Nice
CenterIce runs some of the postgame feeds, but never the Islanders, so thanks to you (and others) for posting notes from them.
That’s great to hear. I’ve wondered about their Xs and Os, so to hear a player talking about that, that sounds like buy-in to me. Good stuff.
Don't make me bring out the Silky.
I like this staff...
but I think there are too many cooks in the kitchen. I’m glad that Scott Allen is back behind the bench… and that means that there are too many toes in the sock.
I gave my perception of the coaching responsibilities in a [long winded] response to Dom a few days ago. This is EXACTLY what I was talking about.
I’d really like to see Doug Weight coaching in sweatpants only… and maybe just stay in his office… because I have a feeling (of course, I may be wrong) the observe/react guys seem to be Allen and Chynoweth. Both of those guys will be head coaches in the NHL while Doug Weight is showing potential sponsors to their luxury suites in a few years.
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Well Doud Weight wanted an office job
But Garth wanted him to try the assistant coach position while fixing the powerplay. My thoughts are, if he couldn’t fix the powerplay last year with all the time he worked with them while he was injured, I don’t think he can really fix it this year. Yet, having said that, they had a pretty good powerplay last night. The Islanders key to success on both regular play and the pp seems to be the D’s ability to keep the puck into play. Both the first and third period showed the D hustling to keep the puck in play while the second showed them letting it fly by. Perhaps, it seems obvious, but that has been my observation.
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That's true..
maybe it’s just a talent thing… well… it certainly is a talent thing. But when you see the frustrating things (below) from the talent they have… that seems to be where a coach can change it.
1. Their goal is to get Brian Rolston a shot from the point. WHY.. he couldn’t hit Oprah with biscuit from the other side of the table. Way too predictable for something so ineffective.
2. They can’t have puck movement on the perimeter without at least one forward winning a one-on-one in the paint… it allows the PK box to expand… they aren’t aggressive enough inside that box. That is a COUNTRY CLUB issue.
3. Mark Streit is a good PP QB, but the play should have the ability to rotate. You are on the PP, with possession… be CREATIVE. Their PP looks like an amateur golfer hitting a shot through a Tiger Woods gallery tunnel… and hoping that the ball hits a spectator and re-direct to the green. Nice once in a while… but they’re killing all the spectators and not hitting any greens.
4. SHOOT THE PUCK!!! Hey, while you are moving the puck around the perimeter, if there is a shot available… TAKE IT! There are way too many times where they just want to stay with the plan… well.. everybody knows your plan. How about having the puck carrier fake a PASS and shooting, instead of the other way around… which… usually leads to a turnover anyway.
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3. I actually thought they did a decent job rotating on the PP last night
Frans (as usual), PAP, even Rolston were making the wheel spin at different times. When Jurcina is out there he really limits the capacity to wheel around, but the other guys can still move while he remains fixed.
But Hamonic’s shot, which was as time was dwindling down, was just what I expect from him: Get it, fire quickly, not a big wind-up, but accurate.
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Get it, fire quickly, not a big wind-up, but accurate.
aka, the opposite of Rolston. It really struck me a couple of times last night how long it takes Rolston to get one of those slappers of. It’s insane.
Don't make me bring out the Silky.
That backhand move on the breakaway
Was positively glacial.
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by Dominik on Dec 3, 2011 4:06 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Great game!
My only complaint was the Chicago annoucers insistence on calling us the “Long Island” Islanders the entire game! I’m sorry I know we play on Long Island but the team is still called the NEW YORK Islanders. We don’t go around calling other teams the “Illinois” Blackhawks, “Pennsylvania” Penguins, or the “Manhattan” Rangers.
The New York Islanders....they make opposing goalies look gooooood.
Well thats annoying.
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by TheMetalChick on Dec 3, 2011 9:06 AM EST up reply actions
Or the
Black Chicago Blackhawks. “Long Island Islanders” Ha!
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by North Dakota Red Eagle on Dec 3, 2011 10:29 AM EST up reply actions
They never said "Long Island Islanders"
but “Long Island” – a lot as in “Long Island keeps it in”.
I kind of like that, actually. Some arenas once had “LI” for the Islanders on their out-of-town scoreboards in fact.
Im an isles fan with an inferiority complex.
I dont want the Rags to get all the NY creds…
I heard them say "Goal, Long Island" on OTF.
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by TheMetalChick on Dec 4, 2011 1:10 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah
When my dad and I only had two spaces for each team name, it was NY, LI, Ph, Pi, Wa and so on.
Thank God he didn’t live long enough to figure out Colorado vs. Columbus, because that was hell.
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For all the doom and gloom, edge of the cliff, seasons over speak of a couple weeks ago
The Isles are only 3 wins and an OT loss out of a playoff spot. And they have games in hand on everyone in the conference except the Broadway Boobs.
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Playoff spot?
As of this morning, they’re only 15 points off the lead in the East, despite they’re annual funk. An 8-1-1 run before the end of the month would put them right there. With Montoya as the top guy and Nabokov coming back as a a capable No. 2, it certainly is possible. And Tavares, we hope, will starting getting some breaks. A playoff spot is acceptable, but last year’s second half showed that they can play with anyone.
Seven points
but worse, seven teams, between us and the 8 spot right now. Even though we have a game or two at hand on most of them, that’s a tall order…
Don't make me bring out the Silky.
Games in hand
Simply winning their games in hand would put them ahead of Carolina, tied with Montreal, one behind Winnipeg, two behind Ottawa, three behind Tampa Bay and four behind Washington and NJ. The Isles simply have to start winning more than they’re losing and mix in a good ten game hot streak, they’ll be right there. There’s three quarters of the season left. Still time, but they have to start winning NOW. AND keep that Connecticut boy away from the goal.
AND keep that Connecticut boy away from the goal.
Who is “Connecticut boy” lol?
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by TheMetalChick on Dec 3, 2011 2:49 PM EST up reply actions
Rick?
Dont see how calling someone from Massachusetts who lives on Long Island “Connecticut boy” makes any sense but yeah I guess thats who he meant.
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by TheMetalChick on Dec 4, 2011 1:13 AM EST up reply actions
Mike Mottau had 18 minutes of ice time...
And we still earned a point in the standings? I’ll gladly take that outcome!
If I told you I have a Mike Mottau jersey, will you still respect me in the morning?
Be fair
I’ve complained about him all year, but he played a pretty good game last night. As opposed to Jurcina.
Could Jurcina for once learn not to go behind the net when his defensive partner is already there?
Youre right.
Mottau did look pretty good. Its tough for people to acknowledge when a player who has been given the omega label plays well. Once fans give out that label, they hold on to it so vehemently.
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by TheMetalChick on Dec 3, 2011 9:08 AM EST up reply actions
Perhaps he was fighting for a job last night
At least, that was my thought. Either way, he played well and surprised me.
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Agreed
My essential point was that given the state of our defense corps, we should be content with a road shootout loss against one of the best teams in the Western Conference. If someone asked me to predict how the Islanders would fare against the Blackhawks with (1) AMac scratched, (2) Jurcina playing drunk, and (3) Mottau getting 18 minutes of playing time, I would have guessed the Isles getting embarrassed. That our boys actually came back from a one goal deficit TWICE in the 3rd period is something to be proud of.
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This is what I don't get about Jurcina
Just … brain farts. He makes good plays, he uses his body (and shot) well sometimes, and other times he makes decisions that I absolutely cannot fathom.
He got really lucky almost giving up a shorthanded chance (and what could have been interference as he tied up the man blazing by him) last night, and that was too typical: Either get there quicker or recognize that you aren’t fast enough. Too much caught in-between, and this one wasn’t even a case that required a quick decision, relative to NHL speeds.
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I thought offensively
he had his best game of the season, cept for the missed shot from the slot. Defensively he wasnt too good
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This super talented kid has proven to be a very streaky player during his short career. Look for an all out point explosion over the next few weeks.
Hey, whats not to like...
That was a great game to watch. One of the best “skating” games I have seen the Isles play in a while…they matched a pretty good Hawk skating team stride for stride, when you consider the whole game.
I am a big Montoya fan, and I truly wish he could have gotten us the extra point, but alas, not to be. He made some great saves, and the fourth goal was a bit weak. So be it.
For me, great games by JT, PA, and OK. And special tip of the hat to Reasoner for taking that Hawk off the puck with a great check that led to Nino’s goal.
Its fun to watch the Isles again.
Pleasantly surprised by Reese this evening
and really the team as a whole. Too damn bad about Tavares not getting that goal, but it was a real heads-up play to scoop that puck out of the crease by whichever Chicago D it was.
Hoping that Haley comes around more than once every 75 years.
Choice of shooters for SO?
I guess Cappy was rewarding good play during game for his choice – sort of karma move. Moulson Yes, but why not KO, or Grabs, ot JT? Argument that they were being saved for late rounds, like saving your closer in BB. But statistically most SOs are decided in the first round and base ball games last 9 innings unless it rains!
They've all stunk in the SO
KO is like 0 fer lifetime. Grabs I would have to assume would’ve been a bad choice based on his breakaway failures and JT has been pretty poor also (probably 0 fer). The only questionable one in my mind was Moulson and he came the closest. I think Nino has some real shootout skills and Frans has been almost automatic for a couple of years.
PAP was supposed to be good, but really hasn’t done much on the Isles.
Sad to say, but the SO is where we miss Schremp and Tambellini. But alas if they are on the team, we probably get to less shootouts…or more winnable games get to shootouts.
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KO cannot be zero for lifetime. I remember he won a shootout last year
I think one of the games where we had our rally helmets on. The only reason I remember is because I have friends who are gopher fans and I remember telling them about it.
"We can't get pushed around," Haley said. "What commentators say about us, that's their job. My job is to try and limit as many people who want to take liberties with our guys as possible."
by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Dec 3, 2011 9:08 AM EST up reply actions
he is pretty close
Everyone remembers that game against the Canadiens. That is about the only time he has scored a shoot out goal to win it. It will be etched in time as the last time he scored a SO goal, and it will seem like yesterday.
I was fine with the call. I thought it was going to go Frans, PA, Nino. It is all a luck thing anyways. I would much rather have a 1 – 1 tie and leave it at that.
Lifetime SO totals for current Isles
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nice.
Let Us Go, Islanders! (Ever notice how strange that sounds without the contraction?)
by TheMetalChick on Dec 3, 2011 10:17 AM EST up reply actions
I know KO won the one in Montreal
But he wouldn’t even be on my top five.
Lighthouse Hockey: A flute with no holes is not a flute. A Dane with no holes is Frans Nielsen.
Last SO I believe they picked I believe Fransie, PAP, and maybe either Grabs or JT
None of them scored then, either.
Let Us Go, Islanders! (Ever notice how strange that sounds without the contraction?)
by TheMetalChick on Dec 3, 2011 9:10 AM EST up reply actions
I think picking shootout shooters is a crapshoot of a crapshoot
(You only have three options, and unless you have a Frans or Jokinen your odds aren’t terribly different even in those three.) So I like putting Nino in. He supposedly has done well, has a bag of tricks, and if he can convert early then he becomes another option.
I would say these guys practice this drill way more often than the very limited moments we see three of them take a chance every few weeks, so I rarely think twice about which dice the coaches put out there. They’ve seen way more than we have.
Lighthouse Hockey: A flute with no holes is not a flute. A Dane with no holes is Frans Nielsen.
At the risk ...
of getting slammed for being negative, they did lose the game. It WAS fun to watch, and 23 shots in a period – especially a 3rd period – might seem like a big deal. If it was purely the result of an ‘adjustment’ by the coaching staff, that’s great. But I think how Chicago played probably had something to do with it. It’s always that way isn’t it? I don’t like it, but I don’t think these teams always take the Islanders real seriously. I think they kind of coast sometimes, assuming they’re gonna impose their will in the end. And let’s face it, they usually do. They should have won this freakin game. No excuses. The failed to put away a ton of good chances. A lot of people think the Buffalo Bills going to the Super Bowl 4 straight years was an awesome achievement, and made Jim Kelly and Marv Levy hall-of-fame worthy. I think that’s bullshit. They lost all 4. To me, that’s a historic failure, not a historic accomplishment. And, Tavares hasn’t scored in 12 straight games. Obviously he’s gonna come out of it, but that’s a helleva a lot of games for a goal-scorer, regardless of what else he does. If you’re looking for a sign of progress and a tangible step foward, with 2 wins on the road in their pocket, last night would have been it, and it was there for the taking. As it is, I’m still looking.
Yeah, 5 points in 3 games on the road.
bummer.
"We can't get pushed around," Haley said. "What commentators say about us, that's their job. My job is to try and limit as many people who want to take liberties with our guys as possible."
by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Dec 3, 2011 9:14 AM EST up reply actions
Chicago played hard for 60 minutes, and it was the Isles who imposed their will in the third. I think it’s important to keep that in perspective. The Hawks didn’t take their foot off the pedal at all, and we still were able to dictate the final 20 minutes. That’s pretty big for a developing team like the Isles to me.
Again, this is where the shootout taints the product in my opinion. Last night was a hard-fought tie. They got a tough point on the road. Forget the nonsense at the end.
To me, historic failure is the Pittsburgh Pirates with 19 straight losing seasons, not losing four straight Super Bowls. As painful as it would be, I’d rather be second place over and over than last place over and over.
Don't make me bring out the Silky.
by afrosupreme on Dec 3, 2011 9:17 AM EST up reply actions 3 recs
I hear you
I would like to see the team talk about how they should have won it, rather than seemingly being content with playing hard, as was flecked in the post-game interviews. I think that needs to be part of the mindset of this team – accepting nothing less than Ws.
Success was survival and, kid, it still is
i agree when they actually lose
But do you really expect people who played hockey all their lives to feel bad after letting one more shootout goal in than the other team? An ot loss is one thing, but a SO loss is nothing to be pained about, imo.
"We can't get pushed around," Haley said. "What commentators say about us, that's their job. My job is to try and limit as many people who want to take liberties with our guys as possible."
by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Dec 3, 2011 9:26 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
i have always said play 10 minutes of ot and let them both have a point if still tied.
"We can't get pushed around," Haley said. "What commentators say about us, that's their job. My job is to try and limit as many people who want to take liberties with our guys as possible."
by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Dec 3, 2011 9:32 AM EST up reply actions
If it were me ...
I’d be more pissed about not getting the W and extra point than satisfied with ONLY a shootout loss and 1 point.
you'd be mad, because you wouldn't know it was some bs gimmick to try to sell tickets
"We can't get pushed around," Haley said. "What commentators say about us, that's their job. My job is to try and limit as many people who want to take liberties with our guys as possible."
by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Dec 3, 2011 10:29 AM EST up reply actions
Do you get mad if you lose a coin flip?
"We can't get pushed around," Haley said. "What commentators say about us, that's their job. My job is to try and limit as many people who want to take liberties with our guys as possible."
by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Dec 3, 2011 10:49 AM EST up reply actions
I think they again failed ...
to convert on chances that should have given them a win.
It never should have gone into OT, nevermind a shootout.
i agree when they actually lose
But do you really expect people who played hockey all their lives to feel bad after letting one more shootout goal in than the other team? An ot loss is one thing, but a SO loss is nothing to be pained about, imo.
^ This!
Let Us Go, Islanders! (Ever notice how strange that sounds without the contraction?)
by TheMetalChick on Dec 3, 2011 9:49 AM EST up reply actions
Pardon my ignorance ...
but what does ^ This mean?
^ that
Let Us Go, Islanders! (Ever notice how strange that sounds without the contraction?)
by TheMetalChick on Dec 3, 2011 10:15 AM EST up reply actions
--------> The man ;=)
"We can't get pushed around," Haley said. "What commentators say about us, that's their job. My job is to try and limit as many people who want to take liberties with our guys as possible."
by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Dec 3, 2011 10:28 AM EST up reply actions
Okay.
What’s this mean? i;m ready for the abuse.
this means you agree with the person you're replying to.
"We can't get pushed around," Haley said. "What commentators say about us, that's their job. My job is to try and limit as many people who want to take liberties with our guys as possible."
by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Dec 3, 2011 12:27 PM EST up reply actions
Never underestimate the power of positive thinking...
No point in being negative just because they didnt win in a shootout…These kids are thinking they are on the right path. Thats a good thing.
How do you eat an elephant?
One bite at a time
Technically we lost...
Yeah, but Chicago’s play did not reflect them slowing down at any point. This was a Hawks team that lost 4 of 6 recently and was coming home needing a big win. They were not going to lay a golden egg infront of their crowd. This is a good team, but not an elite team as shown by their record. They are a run and gun as mentioned, and match results by scoring a ton, which they can certainly do. Goaltending and D have been shaky for them.
Not to say our Defense is better, and only recently has our Offense come alive, but our Goalie has been playing extremely well. To not give them credit, for the product we have on the ice, for sticking in there with a team that could easily put up 6 goals a game, would be not to give them their due.
Could we have won the game, yeah, in my eyes we should have.
- Period two we were dominated, yet started off with a PP early and a Rolston Breakaway that could have easily changed the outcome. They played lackadaisical on that PP and made nothing of it, and then proceeded to take penalties and get beat in the neutral zone.
- Give credit to the 3rd period, making the adjustment and sticking in there. Yeah, we could have won the game in there. Its really a few bounces off from winning and the final result.
It was an exciting game though.
Shootouts, and how we see Tavares
Dose, honestly had Moulson’s SO gone in off the post and Toews muffed his first attempt, I would’ve been thrilled to get the second point but I wouldn’t have felt any better about how they played. (This is why the shootout is nothing but a curiosity to me.) I get how cheesy it seems to celebrate progress after a 4-4 (0-1), but I just think that’s the reality of where they are right now. They cannot expect to come out and dominate the Hawks for three periods; they can expect to give them a good run and come back rather than fold. After that second period, I feared a 5-2 folding, not a 4-4 tie.
On Tavares, I would love for him to have more goals, but I wonder, do you think he’s been playing poorly during this run? To me he hasn’t, but I realize I also don’t view him as a “goal scorer” — I view him as a “creator.” Whether that’s goals or assists, he’s a guy who creates danger regularly enough that he and his linemates end up collecting points, as they did last night. So for me it’s not “regardless of what else he does,” because I think that “else” is just as important. Contrast to Moulson or other more “sniper”-type guys where if they aren’t popping in goals, their value isn’t nearly as good.
That’s just how I see it though.
Lighthouse Hockey: A flute with no holes is not a flute. A Dane with no holes is Frans Nielsen.
Yes
I thought Tavi was great last night. You can see how good this guy can be.
Just occurred to me, if Richard Martin, Esa Tikonnen and John Tavares played on the same line, it would by the Riki Tiki Tavi line.
I'm not saying you and the others are ...
wrong and I’m right. What I am saying is that to me what happened in the OT and shootout are beside the point. What bugs me is that again and again they’ve been failing to bury good scoring chances that they work really hard to create. I don’t know why that is. I know it isn’t because they don’t have the talent.
And I get that a loss in a shootout isn’t bad as a regulation loss. But settling for that can’t be enough in games that they SHOULD win. It shouldn’t be acceptable to them, nevermind us.
We could go round and round and never agree, so i don’t want to bore anyone anymore on this.
On Tavares, I just think it’s weird he’s gone that long with a single goal, that’s all. Usually guys like him seem to score even by accident once in a while. But you’re absolutely right about him being a “creator” more than just a goal scorer. And he’s certainly not one of the team’s problems, that’s for dang sure.
You're not boring me
I’m enjoying the perspective, honestly.
Besides, collectively we probably swing the hormonal pendulum too high after wins and too low after losses, so I’m always up for some critical thinking after … um, wait, no win last night … um after ties that felt good but go down as losses!
Lighthouse Hockey: A flute with no holes is not a flute. A Dane with no holes is Frans Nielsen.
+ Mrs Toyota
She’s pretty hot for an older woman.
by JPinNYC on Dec 3, 2011 9:05 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
+ Mrs Toyota
She’s pretty hot for an older woman.
by JPinNYC on Dec 3, 2011 9:05 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Where did they show Al's family?
what point of the game? i was watching the Isles and Ice Flyers at the same time and must have missed that.
"We can't get pushed around," Haley said. "What commentators say about us, that's their job. My job is to try and limit as many people who want to take liberties with our guys as possible."
by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Dec 3, 2011 9:16 AM EST up reply actions
Several times
they were sitting at the top of what I’m guessing was the lower section (they had a wall behind them).
Don't make me bring out the Silky.
Oh yeah rewatching the game
Just saw Mrs Toyota. I saw here last nice but was listening to 2 different games and my friend who never stops talking was here asking me what Hess gas was. I’m like you never heard of the Hess gas stations? The Hess Family? They owned the Jets? Oh, you’re from Dallas, never mind.
"We can't get pushed around," Haley said. "What commentators say about us, that's their job. My job is to try and limit as many people who want to take liberties with our guys as possible."
by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Dec 3, 2011 9:22 AM EST up reply actions
I love Hess trucks
All my cousins and I used to receive one from our Grandma every Christmas. I still have them. I don’t know how she managed to afford them, but every year I would receive one. Oh, the memories.
All Who Oppose Grabner Shall Perish.
Yeah, there are no hess stations down here.
I forget sometimes that all my friends aren’t from where I’m from.
Yeah, I think I had a truck or two as a kid.
"We can't get pushed around," Haley said. "What commentators say about us, that's their job. My job is to try and limit as many people who want to take liberties with our guys as possible."
by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Dec 3, 2011 11:43 AM EST up reply actions
What does Hess have to do with Mrs. Toyota?
by JPinNYC on Dec 3, 2011 6:46 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Where are all the PAP haters?
He was on the scapewagon all last year, but even the trifecta of tears at hockeyfights.com stopped crying about him.
"We can't get pushed around," Haley said. "What commentators say about us, that's their job. My job is to try and limit as many people who want to take liberties with our guys as possible."
by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Dec 3, 2011 9:33 AM EST reply actions
Yessiree
Arguably our best player of the year so far, other than JT.
He got kicked off the scapewagon for Rolston, apparently...
Just like Mottau took over for Bruno.
Let Us Go, Islanders! (Ever notice how strange that sounds without the contraction?)
by TheMetalChick on Dec 3, 2011 9:51 AM EST up reply actions
they deserve it
especially MM. PAP never did.
"We can't get pushed around," Haley said. "What commentators say about us, that's their job. My job is to try and limit as many people who want to take liberties with our guys as possible."
by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Dec 3, 2011 9:53 AM EST up reply actions
I never thought PAP deserved it either. It aint easy when youre a former Rag.
I remember people didnt like Cairns at first, either… somewhat similar situation (insofar as neither one was given a real chance to stick on that team and show what they could do.)
Let Us Go, Islanders! (Ever notice how strange that sounds without the contraction?)
by TheMetalChick on Dec 3, 2011 9:57 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah,, there has to be someone in the doghouse.
Blogs are complaint departments.
by JackandAce on Dec 3, 2011 10:07 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
LOL.
Lighthouse Hockey: A flute with no holes is not a flute. A Dane with no holes is Frans Nielsen.
A game that could
have been won, but alas taking the point from the Hawks is not too bad on the road. We do have to play them again so I would assume the adjustment in the third can start from the first next time we play in Our Barn.
Very entertaining game, definitely kept me on the edge of my seat the entire time. I have to say I was frustrated going into the third, and was out right scared sometimes when the 4thline when out there. Though everybody did good in my book as far as the third period.
1st period was back and forth and a 2 – 1 lead was what we needed going into the second, Nino’s failure to mark his man will be fixed in the future, its part of his learning curve.
2nd period, we simply were not in the right positions to take the puck to the Hawks and they capitalized and dominated, though, that SHG was what really through me off my seat. Its not tea time Jurcina, its get the puck away from Teows as fast as possible time. Knock him down, hit the puck, anything. The man is on a hot streak, recognize.
3rd period, complete domination, which should have led to an Islanders victory. Nino’s goal was a beauty, really was, can I say it, “that is a goal’s scorer goal”. Unfortunately a PP goal probably cost us the win. That and a snakebitten JT.
I thought it was a pretty physical game as well. Jurcina was knocking kids around, as well as Ullstrom. Ullstrom continues to do well on that line. Replace Rolston with some speed and size and that line will go to another level. FNGO looked pretty solid, had a good chance in the 2nd there again to take the lead, but one too many passes led to nothing. Mottau and Reese looked fine this time around. Hopefully AMac is healthy, wouldnt mind seeing Amac with Reese.
Montoya was fantastic minus that last goal, but he stuck in there. I think DP gets the start tonight, just because, but hopefully the team can rally after that great third period and continue. Lots of Good. Keep on chugging, 7 points back, just win a few at a time and we can climb back in there. We still havent played a lot of the teams directly infront of us, so I think that will help out.
"but alas taking the point from the Hawks is not too bad on the road. "
“Yeah, 5 points in 3 games on the road. bummer.”
“An ot loss is one thing, but a SO loss is nothing to be pained about, imo.”
I respect everyone’s opinion here. Some of you forget more about some aspects of the game than I have ever known in my life, ie. stats, performance ratings, prospect and scouting info etc., but I do know about competitiveness and winning vs. losing. All I can say is I hope enough guys on this team DON’T see last night as “not too bad” and “5 points in 3 games” as okay and “nothing to be pained about” – on the road or not – to make a difference. That game was there for the taking and they didn’t take it. If they’re okay with that, I think it’s a problem which is holding this team bacik.
Remember when they lost on ot to the Flyers?
They did say what you’re saying. You could see how bad they felt, and they weren’t taking the losing okay or saying things like it was okay.
but do you really feel like any NHL players on any team think that the shootout makes thems “winners or losers” on that night? They probably feel the same way the 80s team did about a tie.
"We can't get pushed around," Haley said. "What commentators say about us, that's their job. My job is to try and limit as many people who want to take liberties with our guys as possible."
by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Dec 3, 2011 10:35 AM EST up reply actions
no one is saying the Players arent mad,
Of course the players want to win and this in turns causes them to be that much hungrier. Nobody wants to be second place and when you are so close to winning it makes you try even harder next time. Nobody is doubting that.
As an Islander fan though and watching this season practically finish itself again, what we saw as fans is that they put in a solid effort to come back and try and win this game to only lose in a skills contest that nobody likes anyways. For us taking a point on the road is a good thing for a team that is just finding its stride. Its another step in the right direction.
Matty Mo says it best, ""There’s no letdown, there’s no feeling sorry for ourselves. We came in after the second and we said, ’We’re going to win this game.’ "
by ghalbart on Dec 3, 2011 10:40 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
You're not wrong
But I would just say that it was just a few games ago that we had won one out of 10, or something like that. So three or four games in a row where they are on at least equal footing with the other team is at least a starting point for optimism. Four games ago I was checking out the number one (not two) rated prospect in juniors.
I would hope they are not happy with one point, but I like watching them again. Its not a chore.
Im sure they are pained...They wanted the win...
But not enough to get them down about themselves…That does not serve them well to be hang their heads low when they know it was simply the luck of the draw at the end…
I can already see the ....
“well, two games in two nights on the road is tough” and all that stuff in tomorrow’s posts if tonight they lose another game they should win.
We all know this team is below the talent level of the real good teams in this league, so I know they’re not winning The Cup this year and am okay when they lose to better teams who play better, as long as there’s honest effort. But losing those games they should win – and last night was one – is not supposed to be satisfying in any way. That’s all I’m saying.
I do not think anyone is satisfied with not winning.
The game was there for the taking, it did not happen though. If they play hard they can win, not every night, but more often then not. I think most of us are taking a step back from just lasts night game and looking at the total season. The past week has been much more productive then the whole season, despite our record. I think everyone is happier with the progress and effort and less concerned with the extra point that could have been had. Leave that to the players, who control the situation and their play.
No one likes losing, period. But as fans we need to find the positives, ore we will turn into a very depressed group.
by ghalbart on Dec 3, 2011 11:10 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
dude, look at this team and how they looked in the first month of the season..
Now look at what they’ve done over the last 6 games or so. Do you see a difference in their play and demeanor??? I do and I am excited…It was all doom & gloom around here…One step at a time…They are pulling it together…We have reason to be optimistic again…
by KO21 on Dec 3, 2011 11:30 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I get it.
It’s not ALL doom and gloom. Just the L part.
Just don’t call me dude please?
Running Total and Defensemen Grades
Kyle 3, Post 2.
Streit: C. Two bad mistakes in the first period. Was good after that. Still, those two mistakes could have been lights out if other Isles didn’t pull their weight.
2.930 (23 games played)
Staios: B-. Good.
2.264 (23)
Hamonic: B+. Very good game. Adjusted to different defensive partners well.
3.141 (23)
Jurcina: C-. Two bad mistakes. (1st was jumping in and getting caught. 2nd was the PP turnover.) Otherwise he was good. Physical play kept him from a ‘D’.
2.079 (14)
Mottau: B-. One of Mottau’s best. Was almost rewarded by the hockey Gods with a tap-in game-winner at the top of the crease, but rebound bounced too far.
1.898 (16)
Reese: B-. A solid 1st game. He played well and was communicating with others. Looked like a regular.
2.700 (1)
Not in action:
Eaton:
2.131 (16)
AMac: B.
2.694 (22)
I thought Nino played a good game even before the goal. And Ullstrom looked VERY good early on, then didn’t get much playing time later. His best game so far, I think.
AND CAN WE PLEASE TAKE ROLSTON OFF OF THE POWER PLAY? (When Isles had Chara, it was like a 5 on 4.5 killing penalties. Now it’s like a 4.5 on 4 when Isles have a power play. I’m almost to the point where I’d rather see Staios out there.)
"The reader of this sentence exists only while reading me."
by North Dakota Red Eagle on Dec 3, 2011 10:51 AM EST reply actions
Good ratings...
…although I probably would have given Jurcina that D.
And that was one of MM’s best (there were not many to choose from).
Kyle steals the lead back from the Post!
Of course last night was one where Rolston’s point shot was actually on target ;)
I’d rather Hamonic out there, but I don’t know how workable that is when he’s shouldering the load for the rest of the game, too.
Lighthouse Hockey: A flute with no holes is not a flute. A Dane with no holes is Frans Nielsen.
Big PLUS to the NY Islanders. "Niedermieser's" with the clutch goal! This is more like it!!!
+ Reasoners hit leads to “Niedermiesers” goal.
+ Toyota is the man.
+ Bailey shooting the puck.
- Monty needs to get better at shootouts
- Isles miss RSH and Tamby for the shootouts.
+ Reese is under rated. He is one of those guys like Meyer or Hillen. You keep him around for depth.
+ -Tavares creating offense on a consistent basis for himself and his line mates.
- Tavares is snake bitten. But he will be ok. No worries about him.
- Cappy would not commit to Monty as clear cut #1 goalie.
+ Cappy turning things around
+ For Garth sticking w Cappy
- – Big MINUS for MYSELF for calling for Cappys head. I’m a jerk!
What I took from this game is we suck in the shootouts. That used to be a huge strength. Oh, and newest Butchism for El Nino….
+ 3 pts for myself on KO’s FIG! WOOT, WOOT!!!
by KO21 on Dec 3, 2011 10:55 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Goring did say that?
I wasn’t sure.
Every game he says something that has me rolling.
yeah, It was as clear as day...
Right after Ninos goal…is called him “Niedermeiser”….I LMAO
Yeah!!!!!!!
Here you go
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ubxYYzYNP84
Long live the Jam!
Reasoner
They should show that clip to all teammates on how to come back into the neutral zone, take the opposing player off the puck, and create a rush going the other way. I have complained about him before, but that was hockey at its best.
And I could not believe that Jack did NOT dress Haley again, particularly with Carcillo in the lineup, but it did not matter. And where would we be if he had benched Reasoner for Haley.
Kudos to Jack
Carcillo actual has been well behaved on the Hawks
He really hasn’t caused trouble this season. Now that he isn’t a Broad Street Bully, he stays in line. Go figure.
All Who Oppose Grabner Shall Perish.
I think Juice had a nice hit in his own zone that sent us up on a 3 on 2.
Those around here who say that hitting doesnt really matter should start to open their eyes…It means a heck of allot…
Yes
I can guarantee that although we did not miss Haley last night, we will need him most certainly at some point. Hitting is, was, and forever be, an integral part of the game
Dallas tends to be more physical
They’re banged up right now, but they tend to play more physical, at least against better teams they should lose to. Possible factor tonight.
Lighthouse Hockey: A flute with no holes is not a flute. A Dane with no holes is Frans Nielsen.
I'll bet he's in tonight
Dallas leads the league in hits (or did when I wrote that hitting post Cappy obviously read). Also, they employ Ott (not sure if he’s playing) and he’s an agitating presence.
NY Islanders, just one irrational free agent signing away from contention!
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by Keith Quinn on Dec 3, 2011 1:21 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Carcillo was in the lineup?
"The reader of this sentence exists only while reading me."
by North Dakota Red Eagle on Dec 3, 2011 2:10 PM EST up reply actions
I remember he carried it in and his play caused one of the Hawks goals.
He seems to be keeping his nose cleaner than he used to in the Atlantic, huh?
Let Us Go, Islanders! (Ever notice how strange that sounds without the contraction?)
by TheMetalChick on Dec 3, 2011 2:32 PM EST up reply actions
Wonder if that's a Coach Q effect
His tolerance for idiots is low, IIRC.
Lighthouse Hockey: A flute with no holes is not a flute. A Dane with no holes is Frans Nielsen.
My Hawks loving friend was complaining tonight checking her BB that he took piles of penalties tonight.
So who knows lol?
Let Us Go, Islanders! (Ever notice how strange that sounds without the contraction?)
by TheMetalChick on Dec 4, 2011 1:14 AM EST up reply actions
A lot of pluses
+Mottau not playing horribly
+Montoya was a beast
+Rolston showing some game
+Nino converting the break away
+Not embarrassing me when I head outside with Hawks fans
-One BAD second period
-Letting Hawks players hang out alone in front of the net (don’t help your buddy when you have company at the door)
-Staios frustrating me (he’s good, and then he’s bad, but then he’s good again x repeat)
All Who Oppose Grabner Shall Perish.
I'm over the loss.
Missing the Bettman point isn’t so bad when the team has played so well recently.
That shorthanded goal was demoralizing for me, but it’s good to see the team pulled themselves into OT and the SO.
After watching that Montoya save… let’s stop beating around the bush: name this kid the starter now. He has more than proven that he is capable of pulling wins out of thin air and ensuring games remain competitive. Nabby will be traded at some point, so showcase him when it’s necessary. Make DP earn the starter job. He has not shown that he can be the starter.
Can one be an atheist toward a hockey team? That means I have NO faith anymore.
Can we stop with the 'loser point' talk when it comes to a shoot out
I understand if you lose in the 5 mins of OT, but in the old NHL, if you made it through 5 mins of OT it was called a tie. Each team got a point. So technically shouldn’t we be calling the extra point gained in the shoot out the ‘winner point’
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by Chris McNally on Dec 3, 2011 11:37 AM EST reply actions 2 recs
A little OT
Can I get your guys opinion on this hit? This happened in my team’s sphl game last night. The footage is crappy and the result of the his is pretty bad.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nMWe17Nw1Kk
"We can't get pushed around," Haley said. "What commentators say about us, that's their job. My job is to try and limit as many people who want to take liberties with our guys as possible."
by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Dec 3, 2011 11:45 AM EST reply actions
Tough to tell
To me it looked like Carter may have stepped into the check, and ducked a bit. To me, the whole thing looks a little innocent, but hopefully it was not bad.
can you step into the check when you're going for the puck?
To me, Kessler makes an attempt to hit him because he lost the puck in his own end, and over did it. Carter is like 5 -8 160 pounds. He wears an A for my team. he got up off the ice, but the trainers from both teams went to the locker room with him. haven’t heard anything on him yet.
"We can't get pushed around," Haley said. "What commentators say about us, that's their job. My job is to try and limit as many people who want to take liberties with our guys as possible."
by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Dec 3, 2011 11:53 AM EST up reply actions
I thought...
That Carter intercepted and had the puck, no?
Yep,
That’s what i’m saying. I think kessler freaked because he lost the puck and Carter was getting it, and it would be two on 1 in his d zone.
that’s what makes me think it wasn’t so accidental.
"We can't get pushed around," Haley said. "What commentators say about us, that's their job. My job is to try and limit as many people who want to take liberties with our guys as possible."
by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Dec 3, 2011 11:57 AM EST up reply actions
OK
You certainly may be right, but as an independent observer, I can only say that Kessler looks like he is going fairly straight, and Carter steps to his left into the check. But what do I know.
Well you're unbiased and I'm not.
"We can't get pushed around," Haley said. "What commentators say about us, that's their job. My job is to try and limit as many people who want to take liberties with our guys as possible."
by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Dec 3, 2011 12:02 PM EST up reply actions
I hear you
Been there. Hope Carter is OK.
They are reproting, black eye, a big knot and a few stitches from hitting his skate on the way down,
"We can't get pushed around," Haley said. "What commentators say about us, that's their job. My job is to try and limit as many people who want to take liberties with our guys as possible."
by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Dec 3, 2011 1:13 PM EST up reply actions
Really hard for me to tell
But by the body language and the situation, it looked pretty innocent to me. Bang-bang and the aggressor’s body language looked like one who hadn’t expected to be knocking a guy out.
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Is Kessler a Bruin fan?
If so, then it’s a “hockey play”
If he’s an Islanders fan, then 10 game suspension and has to buy Carter a beer.
If you’re league wants to be like the NHL, you have to play by its rules.
by JoRiverside on Dec 3, 2011 1:10 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Hahahaha
"We can't get pushed around," Haley said. "What commentators say about us, that's their job. My job is to try and limit as many people who want to take liberties with our guys as possible."
by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Dec 3, 2011 1:12 PM EST up reply actions
Winner!
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Don't lose sight of....
We were Boston’d in the 2nd and didn’t pack it up in the 3rd…but instead came out flying, and came back twice. That’s a very good sign of growth for this young team. I also think you can’t overstate the role if the timely save that keeps it a one-goal game just when things look bad…we have a chance to win every time Al plays and that means a lot. If that game goes 5-3 late 2nd we’re having a very different discussion. And please…Niño with the great finish just when we needed it most? Where has that been all season? (all decade). That alone is cause for celebration.
by BobSulli on Dec 3, 2011 11:47 AM EST via mobile reply actions
Nino
Yeah, I didn’t want to read too much into it given the emotion of the situation and the hope attached to him and his grand sample of two NHL goals, but the way he just took that, quickly assessed his options, chose the best of the remaining ones and unleashed a very smart and hard shot gave me a charge.
A lot of our forwards when they’re in the clear take too much time trying to pick their spots and allow the goalie to stay with them, then they fire wide.
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agreed
that is Nino’s, when he is on, as we have seen from all the Junior and WJC footage. He likes to shoot the puck and has a great shot. Does not hesitate to stick his head down and shoot the puck. I do not question his offensive zone instincts, because he will be a dominant force there with that shot and physicality. He can also make some slick passes as well.
The rest of his game will develop and he will eventually break out, most likely in a year or two when he is not a 7 minute player. It is fun keeping track of him though. He can certainly make his presence known. And you have to love the Butchie slip ups. Nino Neiderriser.
Agree wholeheartedly
It’s just fun to watch, outside of wins and losses. He’s in such a rare situation, in the NHL at 19, and he’s a rare prototype for it — a big, shooting Swiss guy, not a magic hands Canadian speedster — that it’s objectively just a fun process.
The defensive mistakes will be painful but I don’t begrudge them and they don’t make me think he’s a bust or anything. (In the game thread there was some tension about critiquing him.)
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I liked how he didn't ...
go nuts with a celebration.
right on
Even though it was a big goal, which he is no stranger to scoring in his career. The kid will shine, even if its not this year. But there is no doubt he will progress and strengthen up all his weaknesses. I could see him learning from JT in acquiring those first 3 explosive steps that will give him a few feet on the player defending and allowing him get that shot off.
The team got into Dallas after 3 am local time last night
Surprised it was that late. Hopefully Capuano lets them sleep in and there’s no morning skate. Especially if Ricky is playing tonight.
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P.S. Rolston breakaway
Rolston’s breakaway, which is in the highlights package above, was hilariously slow-motion. It was the anti-Grabner.
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It was so slow i didnt think it was a breakway
i thought there was another defensemen back out of camera view because he didnt seem to be skating hard at all. But nope, thats just Rolston
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