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Video, Notes from Islanders 'GM Show' with Garth Snow

"You're right, I have GMs asking me for Micheal Haley every day."  (*Not an actual quote.)

The full video is now available (and embedded below) from today's "GM Show," where Islanders GM Garth Snow fielded questions from fans relayed by radio play-by-play man Chris King.

It's funny, a lot of fans act like decent questions never get through the PR filter, but a decent amount of probing questions are fielded (the idiotic rants no exec in his right mind would field, of course, are not). They just don't get answered with the scorched earth response frustrated fans are looking for.

In contrast to, say, Dean Lombardi, Snow clearly won't throw any player (even former players, or current players' former coaches) under even a toy bus, and he handles all of the questions with his typically careful style, but the close listener/observer can glean information here and there.

Star-divide

In general, Snow's answers painted the picture of an organization disappointed with this season but also persistently believing -- along with Jack Capuano -- that more consistent effort and nightly attention to detail is needed to change the tide of this season and "rattle off several wins in a row." One comment reflected something brought up often by commenters here over the last few months:

"Ironically, the perceived strength of our team in the offseason was scoring, and that has turned out not to be true."

What follows are notes from the show for those who weren't able to watch and might not get to watch the archive (which we'll post later).

Full Video


Followed by abridged notes, if you aren't able to watch...

Where are the GRITZ?!

On the departure of Zenon Konopka: Snow thinks the team aims for "team toughness" with help from Micheal Haley, Trevor Gillies, Tim Wallace types as needed.

State of the Team This Season

Since Snow was a fiery player, how would he react (as a player) to their record right now:

"I'd be pissed off."

On the Season Overall (abridged): "It's unacceptable that we stand where we are, and everyone in that room and on this staff feels that way, so [we're constantly looking for ways to correct it]."

Is He Happy with the Rebuild (abridged): "Not very happy with it right now because of where we sit in the standings. But it's a situation where a few years ago we knew there would be rough patches. ... [We] work every day to make it better. This is a team that to me can rattle off several wins in a row. ... it's about 60 minutes, consistent effort."

There was more to that section but I didn't catch it all, and you likely know what it is.

But Why Can't You Like Trade 1st-Round Picks and Prospects I Claim are No Good for Like a Star or Something? (That wasn't really the question, but the option of trading for a sniper or top D-man was brought up in several ways.)

Essentially the same: "We'd look at anything. But we're not going to make a trade that doesn't make sense."

Blueline Personnel

Aiming for a Top D-Man, and the Effort for Christian Ehrhoff: Essentially, they tried with Ehrhoff -- and one reason was the market for this type of player was thin. There are "different ways you can skin a cat" -- such as putting Brian Rolston on the point instead -- so if they saw something come available they'd look at it, but those top D players don't become available often.

Could Dylan Reese become a regular (abridged): "Dylan played extremely well in his time here. It's always good to have that kind of depth in the organization. We got some injured bodies back (Mark Eaton) ... it's a credit to him that when he was sent down after training camp he went down with a great attitude."

Overall, it was clear Reese is still seen as 8th in line.

Not re-signing Radek Martinek and Jack Hillen: Snow sounded like he appreciated what Martinek provided "in particular" and when healthy but the lingering question with him was always durability [and of course, Martinek got hurt at the World Championships and has been out this season with a concussion].

As for Hillen, Snow said they were interested in Hillen "in a depth role" but things didn't work out at the time and they moved on.

Forwards

Why Blake Comeau was Waived: "We were in a situation where we weren't playing well as a team, and there weren't any trades that presented themselves ... David Ullstrom was playing at a high level at Bridgeport, and when he got the opportunity he ran with it." So Snow said it was more of a numbers game due to the play of Ullstrom, who Snow expects to be back "soon."

That sort of addresses the situation this fall but doesn't address if or why Comeau wasn't (or was he?) peddled on the trade market earlier in 2011, considering his place with the organization was apparently so tenuous. As expected, Snow didn't deride Comeau's play and sounded happy for him to get an opportunity elsewhere, but it's hard not to imagine the club was frustrated with Comeau in some way to let him go so easily and quickly.

Why Not Play Micheal Haley in the Lineup Every Game:

"I hear that question a lot." {smiles} "I know he's very popular with our fans."

Snow mentioned Haley's presence in the locker room, said it's a numbers game, reminded people that there are lots of guys fighting for that callup, and "Whenever we send a player to Bridgeport, we always emphasize that when we call down to [Brent Thompson] we want to know who's the best at" a certain role such as penalty killing, scoring, who's blocking shots, etc. "We're not going to recall someone based on reputation, we're going to do it based on who's performing."

Why is Nino Niederreiter playing 9 minutes here instead of 20 minutes in Portland: "I told Nino in September he'd be here all season, and I'm a man of my word. ... think Nino's done all he can do at that level."

Passengers and Such

A fan asked if Jack Capuano's post-game quotes ("passengers") after the Rangers game vs. Players' quotes indicated a rift: "No, not at all," Snow said. He said they were on the same page, the players were frustrated too, and pointed to flaws that needed correcting:

"About the little things. Blocking shots. Not turning the puck over. You don't have to hit a player like Matt Martin into the 10th row, but you need to rub him out, you need to separate your guy from the puck."

Scouting

There were several questions on scouting and prospects (someone asked about Brock Nelson and Anders Lee), and the full video is worth a look for that as he discussed what happens in different locales. As an overall philosophy he re-iterated that character is key and from his perspective, a prospect's hockey sense is the easiest to pick up on.

* * *

Again, watch the full clip when available for full details and words, and other topics such as favorite arenas he'd like the Coliseum's successor to emulate, and what it's like to be a pro GM while also the father of several young kids.

Naturally there's nothing ground-breaking in the Q&A, but as far as I know Lombardi is the only GM who will break news or start fires (and send his PR team running to put them out) during media interviews, and no one comes out and says, "Yes, I think [Scapegoat X] is as bad as the loudest fans say he is."

That's great if you want more -- we all do, frankly -- but I'm more interested in people's impressions of what various Snow answers mean, rather than why they didn't air your question.

Why? Because what you'd reasonably expect from this exercise is a window into some of the thought processes behind some of the decisions that create the current organizational lineup. There is some of that (whether it should happen more often is another question). For probing deeper, I'd recommend watching the video to observe facial expressions of both King and Snow during some of the questions that were more interrogating in nature or carried specific opinions within the question.

My own read is that yes, of course he expected this team to have a better record than it does now and he still thinks they can make big strides this year. Whether he thought playoffs were likely this year -- I personally never did, but thought they should be in the bubble all season long -- is still subject to interpretation. I personally figured this season was destined to be another step in the rebuild process, but not as painful as it's been through the first 34 games.

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A few thoughts from me

I thought that Garth reinforced my belief in Nino and his projected development. Garth basically just repeating that there is nothing to be gained for Nino in Juniors or the WJC at this point. I felt comfortable with his confidence on that particular question.

As far as Radek and Hillen issue. As expected, he basically admitted that the #Isles were concerned (and rightfully so) about Radek’s durability. It sounds like they had put a $$ amount on Hillen and sounds like they did make an offer but Hillen wanted either more $ or a different situation. I was comfortable with that answer. **But I would’ve loved a follow up question on that issue.

I will admit that Garth does sound very confident and although he doesn’t say so, I think he sounded and looked like he actually was not surprised by certain things. To an extent that was reassuring. Garth sounds like a guy whose been through this before. He sounds like a VET. An experienced vet. He seemed relaxed and if that is how he acts around the team (players, coaches) it could be very good.

We’ll see.

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by FB4Real on Dec 28, 2011 4:40 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

Hillen

I’d have liked a follow-up too. They probably don’t go into that level of specifics, but I wonder if the offer he eventually took from the Preds was the same offer he had from the Isles before RFA?

Personally, I saw no harm in qualifying him though, if they wanted him. Wish they had him now as a puck mover, but I get them fearing his own size/durability and need to be with the right partner.

Lighthouse Hockey: A flute with no holes is not a flute. A Dane with no holes is Frans Nielsen.

by Dominik on Dec 28, 2011 5:04 PM EST up reply actions  

I still don't get why we didn't qualify Hillen. There was literally no reason not to.

And we could have used the depth no matter what the circumstances.

What do you mean they won 4 cups in a row? Is that possible?

by OzzyFan on Dec 28, 2011 9:43 PM EST up reply actions  

That's Garth

I’ve seen him in a bunch of these things (and in other contexts) and whether by personality or design he has the same stoney faced, unflappable way about him. I agree that his style does sort of project a quiet self-assured confidence, but when he tells Newsday as he did a few days ago that the playoff push starts now it makes me wonder whether we are mistaking confidence for either a very good poker face or just plain cluelessness.

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by DP'sknee(andhipandflubugandotherknee) on Dec 28, 2011 5:39 PM EST up reply actions  

That stuff always strikes me as for internal consumption

rather than cluelessness. The alternative is publicly telling your players they suck and have no chance, and suck so bad they can’t even help you trade for improvements.

But agreed the rest of the schtick is just his style. Whether quiet confidence or just plain careful PR mode I … well yes I think it’s the latter.

Lighthouse Hockey: A flute with no holes is not a flute. A Dane with no holes is Frans Nielsen.

by Dominik on Dec 28, 2011 5:43 PM EST up reply actions  

Maybe I am giving a bit too much credit

BUT HE IS NOT CLUELESS.
The guy does have a Masters Degree from UNH doesn’t he?

We look at the results on the ice and its hard to not get frustrated and look for someone to blame….but he does continue to stay to his slow and steady approach (and that IS the right way). The #Isles are starting from the bottom up (It takes years and pain to do it the right way).

No Pain No Gain, Right!
:)

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by FB4Real on Dec 28, 2011 5:54 PM EST up reply actions  

Not very animated?

I could of swore I saw Mr. Wang in the background pulling the strings. Why is Snow so monotone while answering questions about what should be the most passionate thing in his life? The way he sounds is the way his coach,coaches and the way his players, play, listless and unemotional.

by myisles on Dec 28, 2011 4:45 PM EST reply actions  

Ehhhh

No matter how passionate you are about your job, when the overshadowing thought of you getting fired is present, its hard to act with such enthusiasm. I wouldn’t read into it, as I’m sure Garth didn’t want to have to do this considering his team ended with another shut out.

You should've seen her face. It was the exact same look my father gave me when I told him I wanted to be a ventriloquist.

by mikefromVA on Dec 28, 2011 4:49 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't even think it's that. It's just his style.

The guy is always like that in these settings: Careful, even keel, guarded. I honestly think he’d be that way even if his team were in first place. And he’d probably say the same things about depth players, prospects, waived/walked guys, etc.

Lighthouse Hockey: A flute with no holes is not a flute. A Dane with no holes is Frans Nielsen.

by Dominik on Dec 28, 2011 5:00 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Why do people believe this?

Charles Wang is animated, talkative, will almost say TOO much at times. Why the hell does anyone imagine his puppet strings or whatever would look like- Garth? The simplest answer is the correct one- Garth acts like Garth because thats just who he is as a leader.

Let Us Go, Islanders! (Ever notice how strange that sounds without the contraction?)

by TheMetalChick on Dec 28, 2011 6:11 PM EST up reply actions   2 recs

Bigger Addendum

He put together one of the best defensive groups the team has had since the dynasty years.

though they all left because he was an asshole.

LighthouseHockey: We saw this coming!
@JPinVA

by JPinVA on Dec 28, 2011 10:13 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

aaand i hate my iphone

by TA on Dec 28, 2011 10:49 PM EST up reply actions  

I was speaking in the moment...

for as much as milbury diddled away every last young asset he accumulated, he was able to deal through the NHL and put that team together…
and no, i don’t think he was a better GM… he was an asshole. But you knwo where the trade and free agency conversations end with garth snow… when the other side sees his name come up on the their caller id.
If defensemen were sex, Garth Snow couldn’t get laid in a women’s prison with a carton of marboro and a case of wine coolers.
Steve Staois is like screwing a pumpkin on the side of the road… and the rest of his fingers are broken so he can’t even do that. The one D giving him a sympathy screw here and there is so over used he’ll probably be a washed up crack whore by the time he’s 23.

LighthouseHockey: We saw this coming!
@JPinVA

by JPinVA on Dec 28, 2011 11:13 PM EST up reply actions   2 recs

LMAO

Curious…did the use of words “diddled” and “asshole” cause the eventual prison sex metaphor?

Rec’d of course ;-)

"Seriously that's the last time you guys f#@%ing won?" -RSH (about beating the Penguins in '93)

by Bryan2112 on Dec 29, 2011 12:16 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

I want to know too! lol

What do you mean they won 4 cups in a row? Is that possible?

by OzzyFan on Dec 29, 2011 4:33 PM EST up reply actions  

Exactly,,,

Don’t know what these other guys are talking about. Are they actually happy with Snow? I guess we will have a 10 or 15 year rebuild. Let’s face it, no matter what education he has,He never payed his dues to be a legitimate GM. Back-up goalie one year, GM the next. That’s why throughout the league we are viewed as a “Mickey mouse” organization.

by myisles on Dec 28, 2011 8:17 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

back up goalie one year?

First of all, this isn’t even true. Snow had a 12-year playing career in the NHL, he was a starter in Philadelphia, and spent four years as an Islander. For another, neither length of career nor impressive accomplishments is a guarantee of success. Wayne Gretzky was fairly mediocre behind the bench; Scotty Bowman never made it to the NHL as a player. And you don’t need to go to those sorts of extremes to find other examples. You don’t even need to leave the Island. Don Maloney was a well-respected player with a short front-office apprenticeship before screwing up the Islanders, to be succeeded by the well-respected former player (and well-regarded coach) Who Shall Not Be Named – and that was a complete flustercluck.

Snow inherited an expansion team. This is year five of starting from less than zero – and not to make excuses for his mistakes, everyone makes them – but they really had to tear it all the way down and build it from zero.

We may be in the box, but you get the penalty.
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by mikb on Dec 28, 2011 9:40 PM EST up reply actions   2 recs

You're speaking my language

Garth’s made some bad decisions this year. But he’s made some very good ones in the last five. Hopefully, he fixes the mistakes soon.

Seriously, though. Hunter and Martinek were good soldiers who were took injury-prone to a whole new level. I wish them well, but I’m not sad to see them go even if the replacements haven’t panned out. I get why they’re not here.

"He's depriving some small village of a pretty good idiot" - Mike Milbury on Ziggy Palffy's agent. On Twitter: @Dan_of_Science

by PGI on Dec 29, 2011 1:29 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

AMEN!!!

Thank you mikb. I don’t like the current results any more or less then anyone else blogging or responding to this blog on this page. But we have to think realistically when we respond, and keep things in perspective in terms of what CAN ACTUALLY HAPPEN. As mikb said, we can hand over a bunch of pucks to LA or Phillly, and expect back Anze Kopitar, or Claude Giroux in return. Things aren’t going to get better tremendoulsy overnight or in one season. We have to hope that a reasonable trade offer does come around for prosects and picks, or we do get lucky in FA if possible. And if not then we stay the course, and wait longer. Painful as it is…

He shoots...he scoororreessss....Go Islanders!!!!!

by Isles in NC on Dec 29, 2011 9:17 AM EST up reply actions   2 recs

One season?

One season? Turn around in one season? It’s been way longer than one season. Way longer. Way too long.

And nobody is asking for Giroux or Kopitar. We’re asking not to have Pandalfo and Rolston.

"We owe him a lot more than he owes us at this point. He's been stellar all year. He still gave us a chance to win this one, and we've got to find a way."

—C Josh Bailey, on G Al Montoya after a 5-3 loss Tuesday in Montreal.

by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Dec 29, 2011 9:22 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Just hearing their names makes me sad now. lol

What do you mean they won 4 cups in a row? Is that possible?

by OzzyFan on Dec 29, 2011 4:34 PM EST up reply actions  

Thew Boss was simply a business man so none of that really matters to me...

What pissed me off is the fact that Garth is excited to get back Pandolfo and DP…Its like he doesnt learn from mistakes…

by KO21 on Dec 29, 2011 8:18 AM EST up reply actions  

They must know, right?

Thye have to know what these guys do to this club, right?

Which makes this a scam. Or they’re the dumbest people ever to run an NHL club. Take your pick. I’m going with scam.

"We owe him a lot more than he owes us at this point. He's been stellar all year. He still gave us a chance to win this one, and we've got to find a way."

—C Josh Bailey, on G Al Montoya after a 5-3 loss Tuesday in Montreal.

by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Dec 29, 2011 8:26 AM EST up reply actions  

Rec'd

For the use of trebuchet alone.

by IDCWhoYouLike on Dec 29, 2011 10:39 AM EST up reply actions  

I don't give two craps about Steinbrenner

Screw the Yankess.

And i don’t even blame Garth. He is as handcuffed as the players or fans. He is in a no win siuation because the owner no longer cares.

And I don’t expect him to say anything.

But what do you expect us to say? Not all of us are going to sit around and act like it’s all good when it’s not. If that’s what you want to do, go for it. But the fact is, this team is worse than last year. A 4 point improvement after getting Ox and Streit bacl? You have got to be kidding me.

So you’re right, he doesn’t have to say anything, and you know what? We don’t have to tow the company line, like he does, Especially after 18 staright yerars of shit. Quit acting like we all have to think like you., We don’t.

"We owe him a lot more than he owes us at this point. He's been stellar all year. He still gave us a chance to win this one, and we've got to find a way."

—C Josh Bailey, on G Al Montoya after a 5-3 loss Tuesday in Montreal.

by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Dec 29, 2011 10:55 AM EST up reply actions  

But do I have to start thinking like you, then?

Blow off all the steam you want. I ain’t stopping you. I’m just reminding you that there are other ways to look at it that don’t involve taking a humongous dump on the whole franchise. Try not to be unfair just because you’re ticked off and frustrated. Back off the ledge a bit. Eighteen years? They were in the playoffs in 2007. They had a good chance of advancing in 2002 if their two best players hadn’t been crippled by dirty hits. It hasn’t been a relentless parade of suckitude – that’s the media talking.

(The Steinbrenner thing wasn’t specifically a reply to you, BTW, just to the general thought that if only we had a guy just like the Boss, the Isles would be better. I don’t like the Yankees either.)

I’m a goalie by tempermant as well as training – my personality is to hold things together and keep the troops going no matter what. Other guys can afford to sulk and throw a tantrum and get tossed out of a game, I can’t. It may annoy you, but teams need that just as much as they need a fiery guy to rip into folks every once in a while. You’re doing your job, I’m doing mine.

We may be in the box, but you get the penalty.
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by mikb on Dec 29, 2011 11:05 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Oh two playoff series in 18 years

And now a regression from the from the 4th worst record in the NHL last year. If you’re good with that, more power to you.

And no you don’t have to think like me. But when you start a thread talking about how the rebuild is paying off (lol), I don’t post debating your opinion. I don’t post after everything you say trying to debate your opinion.
That is on you. I don’t see you replying to JP in this thread and he’s leading the anti garth charge. No, you choose me to debate. Yet again.

And it’s not like I’m some serious negative fan. Either is JP, KO or any of the other people complaining since the Garth video came out. We are just sick of it. And if you want to sit around in the field of clovers and dream about another last place divison finish, have at it. I’m going to find real hockey to watch and make fun of this one. If you don’t like it, There’s always the ban-hammer.

Your flowers and daisys act is worse than the negative fans at this point.

"We owe him a lot more than he owes us at this point. He's been stellar all year. He still gave us a chance to win this one, and we've got to find a way."

—C Josh Bailey, on G Al Montoya after a 5-3 loss Tuesday in Montreal.

by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Dec 29, 2011 11:14 AM EST up reply actions  

well... it was four, not two.

So they’re only half as futile as we think!

Also, they were eight points ahead of last year’s 30-game pace when I wrote the damned post. Silly me, I thought that people didn’t call me an idiot because they kind of agreed with me, and hoped that the Islanders were going to turn a corner. Instead they lost four straight and now it’s DOOOOOOOOOOOOM!!!!!!!!!

I mean, holy shit. I’ve heard of the straw that broke the camel’s back, but this damned thing took out the whole caravan and set the oasis on fire.

So, the team immediately proved me wrong. Them’s the breaks. It made a hell of a lot more sense when they were getting good results. I’m not happy with it all the losing and the circus atmosphere that seems to have returned to the franchise, but I’m not going to burn down the whole Coliseum in effigy either. Again, that’s my personality. But I don’t want to talk to clones of myself. I have a blog nobody comments on and I’m here a hell of a lot more often than there – because I can have real conversations here.

So, I don’t ban people for disagreeing with me. And I don’t really care to have five separate debates on the same topic. You drew the short straw this time. Others have in the past. If you didn’t like engaging people with different ideas why did you join a message board in the first place?

You’re welcome to think what you like and express your opinion, and so am I. I’m not going to ban you any more than you’re going to stop posting – in fact, I wouldn’t change a thing right now. I think that this is a healthy exchange. We’re letting the other thread go IPB nuclear because sometimes you just gotta let it all out. Just wait until I hit my own breaking point…

We may be in the box, but you get the penalty.
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by mikb on Dec 29, 2011 12:02 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

I dont buy that the Yanks were only good when the Boss was forced to stay out.

It was him that had the win at all costs attitude and he did just that…He didn’t just talk the talk he walked the walk…The fact of the matter is this team won and won allot under his watch…

by KO21 on Dec 29, 2011 1:06 PM EST up reply actions  

little-known fact

The Yankees were not terrible under Ralph Houk. In fact from ‘68-’73 they were above .500 four times, and the other two times they were 80-81, and 80-82 – hardly disgraceful. And a good majority of the Boss’ best moves were free agent signings. But when he took over the Yankees, free agency didn’t exist. Had the rules not loosened up for him to permit the use of his checkbook and the New York market as tools against the rest of baseball, would he have had success? The list of great young players traded by the Yankees for poor or no return is positively Milburian.

Let’s also not forget that he never met a coach he couldn’t fire. I count no fewer than ten times he let go head managers while they had winning records, including five mid-year moves and twice when the team was the defending World’s Champions.

He did as much to hurt the team as he did to help them.

We may be in the box, but you get the penalty.
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by mikb on Dec 29, 2011 3:22 PM EST up reply actions  

I dont agree with this, not at all....
He did as much to hurt the team as he did to help them.

The fact that he fired coaches was out of his desire to win with no excuses…

by KO21 on Dec 29, 2011 3:29 PM EST up reply actions  

Win with no excuses?

Firing and hiring the same guy FIVE times? Scapewagonning his best players all throughout the 80s, AND hiring a guy to try to blackmail and discredit one of them?

He’d have traded Jeter for Billy Swift in 1993 if he hadn’t been kiboshed by Faye Vincent at the time.

We may be in the box, but you get the penalty.
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by mikb on Dec 29, 2011 4:51 PM EST up reply actions  

Im a Yankee fan and I would trade 5 Yankee championships for just 1 Isles Championship...Heck, I'd give my left nut to see the Isles win it for once in my life...

But I’m not gonna sit here and act like the owner of the Isles has the desire to win like the late, great, George Steinbrenner..

by KO21 on Dec 29, 2011 6:09 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Can't rec this enough

Lamoriello has never given an interview of substance in his entire tenure. He’s also build a “Mickey Mouse Organization” into a three-time Cup champion and one of the most successful teams of this era.

Blow hard, loud mouth GMs get fired and make mistakes, too.

"He's depriving some small village of a pretty good idiot" - Mike Milbury on Ziggy Palffy's agent. On Twitter: @Dan_of_Science

by PGI on Dec 28, 2011 11:10 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

OT

I think a bunch of these world juniors teams could beat the Isles right now.

=d

by AP77 on Dec 28, 2011 4:45 PM EST reply actions  

Sounds like someone’s OD-ing on prospect p0rn.

Have two good teams even faced each other yet?

Lighthouse Hockey: A flute with no holes is not a flute. A Dane with no holes is Frans Nielsen.

by Dominik on Dec 28, 2011 5:01 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Watching US v. Finland game right now

I think it’s just the shock of watching a full team of players who know how to play hockey.

=d

by AP77 on Dec 28, 2011 5:26 PM EST up reply actions  

U.S. discovering

Finland isn’t quite Denmark.

Lighthouse Hockey: A flute with no holes is not a flute. A Dane with no holes is Frans Nielsen.

by Dominik on Dec 28, 2011 5:40 PM EST up reply actions  

Actually, they’ve been completely controlling the game but (like the Isles) can’t seem to find the back of the net.

Finland’s goals have been flukes and/or entirely the fault of the apparently shitty backup goalies.

=d

by AP77 on Dec 28, 2011 5:42 PM EST up reply actions  

...except that one

Yikes.

Lighthouse Hockey: A flute with no holes is not a flute. A Dane with no holes is Frans Nielsen.

by Dominik on Dec 28, 2011 5:43 PM EST up reply actions  

I’m digging this Jacob Trouba character.

=d

by AP77 on Dec 28, 2011 5:28 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah but if the Isles pick him he will be a bust

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by DP'sknee(andhipandflubugandotherknee) on Dec 28, 2011 5:41 PM EST up reply actions  

No question about it.

=d

by AP77 on Dec 28, 2011 5:42 PM EST up reply actions  

let's trade down for him then

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by ArsenalLI on Dec 28, 2011 8:06 PM EST up reply actions  

Well Dom

Garth has an ability to vaguely answer some questions.

For instance, the last question about Lee & Nelson- he doesnt answer. Some fear the worst with Lee, pulling a Gregoire.

Also, if we are going to dissect Snow, what about the scratching/rubbing of the face during certain questions?

by BattFist on Dec 28, 2011 6:07 PM EST reply actions  

Also, if we are going to dissect Snow, what about the scratching/rubbing of the face during certain questions?

I always notice thgat with players, coaches, GMs… I think its that they are all on guard with what they say! Unconscious hand over mouth! Dont say too much lol.

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by TheMetalChick on Dec 28, 2011 6:16 PM EST up reply actions  

he doest give a full answer on the 2 going foward. But just look at Garths face when he talks about Lee. Smile from ear to ear. He does say they will be wearing Islander jerseys. Sso who knows.. but he knows he has something special in both players. He wont let them walk away.

by The boogieman on Dec 28, 2011 6:30 PM EST up reply actions  

welcome to the site

Is your nym in honor of The Boogie man?

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by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Dec 28, 2011 11:59 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Gregoire left school to play for his hometown team. He also has 4 points in 11 games so far, so I think the Isles were safe letting him walk.

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by Mark D on Dec 28, 2011 8:15 PM EST up reply actions  

to paraphrase Winston Churchill.........

When praising the few in the RAF who were owed so much by the British populace during the dark days of WW2. Except here I am referring to the information or lack of same provided at this news conference. " Never was so little information provided about so much stuff that was not answered or fluffed off"

by altosax on Dec 28, 2011 6:47 PM EST reply actions  

ps

also as Dom said above, it seems that the questions were carefully edited and there were too many “soft balls”

by altosax on Dec 28, 2011 6:50 PM EST up reply actions  

oh really?

Get all the resistance in one place at once… you’d like that wouldn’t you? Who are you REALLY working for?

HIDE IN PLAIN SIGHT!

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by mikb on Dec 28, 2011 10:00 PM EST up reply actions  

Yep

Anybody can see that no other club has Jt’s diving penalty, Hammer’s misconduct and Hammer’s delay of game agaionst the Sharks all within, what a month? And all to be ignored when the NHL talks about their questionable calls on the NHL network.

If you don’t see that, you’re not watching. It has nothing to do with a “conspiracy,” and everything to do with us putting frauds like Pandalfo, DP and Rolston on an NHL team.

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by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Dec 29, 2011 8:30 AM EST up reply actions  

I will never forget the 10 minute misconduct and 2 minute minor that was given to Frans in last years Devils game...

This was an end of the year game that had playoff implications for both teams…There was a phantom call on Frans that gave the Devils a chance to tie it on a Fransless Islanders PP with only about 5 minutes left in the game…NJ were down a goal…They did capitalize on the Fransless PP and it took it to OT where the Devils won it…The refs mustve gotten the assist on that one…Cappy actually went on a, post game, press conference, rant…He expressed that the “games should be decided by the players on the ice and not the guys wearing stripes”…

Regarding a conspiracy in the media…I wouldn’t say that either…Its just that they get no professional respect….which is of no fault of the the Isles management

Here’s a good example of how the Isles are irrelevant to the media @ which is of no fault of the Isles management@…The Devils were only 2 or 3 pts better than the Isles with not so many games left… But for some reason, everyone considered this a must win for the Devils but not so much for the Isles…I remember Chico Resch saying, during intermission, " The Devils NEED this game to get in the playoffs but the Isles WANT this game for their own reasons"…What does that tell you? The Isles were getting no respect…The Isles were only a pt or 2 behind the Devils and were playing well themselves….So if the Devils were in the race, so were the Isles…So to just disregard their bid, for that 8th spot, was blatant disrespect…

by KO21 on Dec 29, 2011 11:02 AM EST up reply actions  

fail

I don’t think there is a media conspiracy…Its just that they treat the Isles like they are irrelevant which is of no fault if the Isles…

Which is no fault of Isles management

by KO21 on Dec 29, 2011 11:04 AM EST up reply actions  

Black jerseys

Isles players wouldn’t think about looking bigger in their black jerseys if they actually were bigger. Get some size and toughness on the roster and it won’t matter what jerseys you wear.

by John Lydon on Dec 28, 2011 8:34 PM EST reply actions  

Comeau/Ullstrom

BULLSHIT! Just say it… Rolston has the keys to the apartment where Doug Weight keeps the Ice girls…. won them in a card game from Dipietro.
That whole scenario just doesn’t make sense. It will make even less sense next year when you had better not resign Rolston and Pandolfo… and Nino still isn’t ready. The one homegrown 27 year old forward who has actually accomplished something with the team will be playing for calgary… and for free.
He isn’t the victim of a “numbers game”… if that was true then Rolston would be playing in Bridgeport, because nobody would pick his lazy ass up on the waiver wire… not for a $5M cap hit.
I really like Snow… but the why even answer the question if the answer will be held to zero accountability. You have to sit on Blake comeau until somebody offers something for him. You don’t use your extra press box seats anyway.

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by JPinVA on Dec 28, 2011 9:41 PM EST reply actions  

It just doesn't make sense. As bad as comeau was, he was miles ahead of Pandolfo on the roster, definitely arguably better then Rolston, and if need be, better then Reasoner.

There was no good reason to waive comeau completely. Just keep him on the 4th line or scratch him (more) to get that into his head. You don’t waive a recent 20goal scorer to bring up a progressing youngster, you waive the worst forward on the team to do that. Definitely Garth BS.

What do you mean they won 4 cups in a row? Is that possible?

by OzzyFan on Dec 28, 2011 9:47 PM EST up reply actions  

Comeau

zero points

played like crap

that is all

by Cary K on Dec 28, 2011 10:31 PM EST up reply actions   2 recs

Maybe this is our problem (me and you)

you look at things like an analyst… “here is your problem”
I try to look at things like an engineer… “here is how we fix the problem”
well… comeau’s gone… did that fix your problem.
Comeau’s problem was Rolston… they needed a fixture at RW, not a uselsee LW to move that line forward. they would have had it too… if they’d have put Martin or eventually Ullstrom in that spot.

I’m not overly unhappy with it, because comeau’s in a better place. I actually hope he gets a hat trick tomorrow… and they can take all the hats and shove them right up garth snow’s…five hole!

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by JPinVA on Dec 29, 2011 12:10 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

I think

we’re all pretty pissed at this point, and with good reason – many reasons actually

last in goals scored, decent defensive talent in Bridgeport but a lack of balls to bring some of these guys up and cut the mistakes like Mottau

Reese earned his way on to this team with his play – much more than Rolston, Mottau, Reasoner, Eaton all who have been crap – Comeau was terrible too

this team & its decisions STINK in more ways than one – Management doesn’t seem to care about winning now – that’s very clear – and the players get that quickly too – ride the cap floor – forced to play our mistakes year after year – and in a league with concussions galore, why dig for pucks if management doesn’t have your back? that seems to have been Comeau’s conclusion – he had a conussion last year, why try for another on a team like this? half this team is playing hurt – why push it now?

by Cary K on Dec 29, 2011 1:08 AM EST up reply actions  

Exactly what I wanted to say JP. Thanks.

What do you mean they won 4 cups in a row? Is that possible?

by OzzyFan on Dec 29, 2011 4:35 PM EST up reply actions  

And the Nino situation, why?

He promised him he’d be there the whole year. That takes the pressure off of Nino, for better or worse. That gives Nino a free ride in the NHL whether he’s ready or not. Wang/Garth didn’t want to “really” add salary, so they bring on bonus ELC contract nino to fix our cap floor situation to save some bucks and “cost” us more “real” depth. Although Nino can prove us wrong, he’s looked out of place a lot at times and looks like he should have been sent to portland, especially after that concussion.

What do you mean they won 4 cups in a row? Is that possible?

by OzzyFan on Dec 28, 2011 9:49 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm a man of my word...

YEAH… WHERE’S THE F***ING PLAYOFF TEAM YOU PROMISED????

Keep your promise to the fans before you keep your promise to a kid who has arms like chicken wire, and doesn’t have a clue where t be in his defensive zone.

I understand that another year in portland might be a waste, but he’s going to same place next year regardless of where he spends this year. He’s been arond the NHL coaches LIKE DOUG WEIGHT long enough to understand what he needs to work on in Portland… if not, WTF do you have 2 coaches working with the forwards for.

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by JPinVA on Dec 28, 2011 9:58 PM EST up reply actions   2 recs

Rec'd

What do you mean they won 4 cups in a row? Is that possible?

by OzzyFan on Dec 29, 2011 4:35 PM EST up reply actions  

Chris "King" of bad interviews...

there were no follow up questions…what a joke that was…

by KO21 on Dec 29, 2011 8:28 AM EST up reply actions  

Why Not Play Micheal Haley in the Lineup Every Game?

“when I walk through the coliseum I see so many Jay Pandolfo jersey’s. Jay has really become a fiber in the fabric of this team. His presence means so much to the team. Micheal has performed well for us… but once again it’s a numbers game.”

Question number two answered by Garth Snow kneeling at the I<3NJ belt buckle of Lou-cipher.

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by JPinVA on Dec 28, 2011 9:45 PM EST reply actions   2 recs

Did he really say Pandolfo jersey's? Wow. Blatant pandolfo love. I've seen a few haley jerseys with my season tickets, never a pandolfo jersey.

There is no good reason why Pandolfo should be starting over Haley. Pandolfo should be a 3rd unit PKer at best in reality, and an ahler right now. The numbers don’t lie, and Pandolfo is done as an nhler. He doesn’t deserve to see NHL ice again with his recent play and newest injury.

What do you mean they won 4 cups in a row? Is that possible?

by OzzyFan on Dec 28, 2011 9:51 PM EST up reply actions  

No... I made that up...

Way too much bourbon after dinner. But that was my fantasy answer… and the sarcastic font can’t handle that many characters.

The fans LOVE Haley… nobody could give a rat’s ass about Pandolfo. even on the slight chance that pandolfo could bring something to the team… what has he?

It’s a fourth line role. You can either have a guy that blocks a few shots on the PK and is almost useless on the 5-on-5. You dump upgrade Konopka with reasoner, but instead of leaving a little GRITZ behind with Hunter, who at least hits and if healthy will probably get you 10 goals from a fourth line role… and PK… plus Haley and Rakhshani to support that role… you go get Rolston Pure Emo and Jay Panhandler.

35 games in, this has been Snow’s worst year as a GM… by far. Could you imagine if Hamonic… I can’t even type it.

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by JPinVA on Dec 28, 2011 10:06 PM EST up reply actions  

Stu Bickel, next time you don't let one of my teammates take their helmet off in a fight, it will be worse than this

Too bad he wasn’t around to keep Montoya from being run, Monty might still be playing.

Watching Grabner and Streit reaction made me not like them very much. Play him Garth. You’re out of it anyways. You might as well give the 90 percent of Isles fans who aren’t’ hippies something to cheer for. I mean you know you’re in deep dog doo when the only good thing you have to say about your team after a Rags game is how good Jurcina played. And thanks for Rolston. The other players look like they love having him around.

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—C Josh Bailey, on G Al Montoya after a 5-3 loss Tuesday in Montreal.

by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Dec 28, 2011 10:27 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Awesome!!!

Garth Snow is in the dubious position of knowing all of the season ticket holders by first name. Not because he has a photographic memory, or uses more than 8% of his brain… but because there are only nine of them… and next year it will be easier.
I have to stand by my statement after opening night. I went to that game not knowing what was going on roster wise for a few days… and when they announced Jay Pandolfo instead of making that crowd roar for Haley… God that sucked the life out of everybody in the building that understood what happened. 0-1 is a pretty good response to a fan base that you’ve completely lost touch with.
Hunter, Konopka, Haley, Comeau, Marty, Hillen… for the devil droppings, steve staios and a russian dude that never wanted to be here in the first place. Makes you proud to be an Islander fan.

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by JPinVA on Dec 28, 2011 10:35 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, bro

This year has really been an eye-opener.

The Rolston – Staois – Mattau – Eaton and Pandawful over:

Haley, Hillen, Marty and Z may chase off a lot of the dihards Milbury couldn’t run off. Ironic.

I know fans aren’t supposed to call the shots, but how do you choose Jay fucking Pandalfo over a guy who had the whole Coli cheering for him long after he was booted from the game? Do they not want us to have fun? It makes no sense. I mean it would be different if they replaced Haley with a real NHL player. Then I could deal with it.

"We owe him a lot more than he owes us at this point. He's been stellar all year. He still gave us a chance to win this one, and we've got to find a way."

—C Josh Bailey, on G Al Montoya after a 5-3 loss Tuesday in Montreal.

by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Dec 28, 2011 10:40 PM EST up reply actions  

I wasn't a big proponent of Haley...

getting the job full time without earning it… but I at least had him penciled in the rotation…. and on OPENINg NIght… wow… what a letdown.
They talk about going out there are doing your job… the picture you posted is his job… and him doing that allowed them to upgrade from Zeke to Reasoner… but then you stick Reasoner with Pandolfo. Doesn’t that line look better with Wallace or haley on the RW than Jay… and I think this is the middle name on his birth certificate because it’s hard to say his last name without FUCKING… Pandolfo.

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by JPinVA on Dec 28, 2011 10:47 PM EST up reply actions  

yeah, like I said, I'm cool with another player over Haley

I get that. But Pandalfo ain’t that.

And tell me players don’t fear Haley. Please.

"We owe him a lot more than he owes us at this point. He's been stellar all year. He still gave us a chance to win this one, and we've got to find a way."

—C Josh Bailey, on G Al Montoya after a 5-3 loss Tuesday in Montreal.

by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Dec 28, 2011 10:49 PM EST up reply actions  

Snow & Capuano

you do have to wonder if these guys are up for it – the organization is doing well stacking young talent, but there really was no reason to poison this season with inadequate veterans

none whatsoever

by Cary K on Dec 28, 2011 10:50 PM EST up reply actions  

yep, they screwed the pooch with that one

Which I understand since last season we obviously lacked veteran leadership, but nobody wants these guys leading them.

"We owe him a lot more than he owes us at this point. He's been stellar all year. He still gave us a chance to win this one, and we've got to find a way."

—C Josh Bailey, on G Al Montoya after a 5-3 loss Tuesday in Montreal.

by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Dec 28, 2011 10:52 PM EST up reply actions  

as mentioned below

Wang lost the vote, and it was like you get x dollars to spend to get us to the floor, and that’s all you get

and Snow perhaps with Capuano involved decides to forge ahead with Pandolfo, Nino, Staios, Rolston, Reasoner – it was either extremely incompetent, or they gave up on this season in advance

by Cary K on Dec 28, 2011 10:55 PM EST up reply actions  

I'd really have to see the video evidence...

of capuano buying into this bullshit. Not that I’m him… but from my perspective:
Konopka… okay… enough of his BS. Zeke was fun for a while, but that act grows tiresome. I’d rather have Gillies stretching them before games than Zeke mouthing off from the bench, then dancing for 2 minutes so he can spend 7 minutes in the box every game.

There’s no way in hell I want to disrupt a third line with comeau on the LW, bailey at center and have hunter, Rhett, Nino, Ullstrom and Martin audition for the RW spot. I don’t think he’s on board with Rolston dictating the fact that he would be the LW there. But a $5M player and a GM that has to cover his ass will do that for you.

Jay Pandolfo… when Rhett went down they may have panicked a little about the depth there. But capuano got the team back on it’s feet with Martin, Gillies, Haley and Zeke on a fourth line that was used to create energy and play some PK time. Pandolfo brings as much energy as a new folding chair brings to a retirement home.

I’m sure he wanted to be in charge of winning with 5 wounded defensemen and travis hamonic. “No garth, please don’t trade a kid like Kabanov, I can’t wait for him to get here… or Lee, or Nelson, or any of those guys plus all that CAP SPACE for a top four defender… Steve Staios is just what the doctor ordered”

this bullshit is all on Snow.

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by JPinVA on Dec 28, 2011 11:25 PM EST up reply actions  

Yup, Haley did his job

And the Isles were inspired to jump right out and crush the Rangers.

Or, you know, be down a valuable fourth-liner for the whole game because he was kicked the hell out after four seconds of ice time… and get shut out.

This ain’t about being a hippie, just a cold-blooded realist. Don’t win the battle and lose the game. Win them both – but the game first.

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by mikb on Dec 29, 2011 12:45 AM EST up reply actions  

If I've learned anything from the NHL is that you need to thug more consistently

and then they can’t or won’t call everything. Just look at the Penguins last year or our 2 games with the Stars this season. If we roll out Martin, Haley, and Gillies every night then they aren’t going to get thrown out every time.

(The really sad part about this is I’m not seriously suggesting we do this but it’s true.)

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by ArsenalLI on Dec 29, 2011 1:13 AM EST up reply actions  

We all know your thoughts on fighting

And all us Haley lovers also know Haley ain’t taking us to the cup finals either.

But we are also smart enough to realize either is Jay Fucking Pandalfo. The only bigger miscarriage of justice is those pathetic black unis they made against our wishes.

All we heard from you hippies is how we couldn’t dress our tough guys because we needed secondary scoring. How is that coming along? We have enough trouble with any scoring, and a 4th line winger ain’t changing that, especially Jay fucking Pandalfo. Just that name alone makes me want to cringe.

Throw the fans a bone Garth, regardless of what the other 10 percent of isles nation thinks. You can keep sticking up for him, MiK, I’m done though.

I won’t even start about MM/ Eaton over de Haan and Reese. What a joke.

"We owe him a lot more than he owes us at this point. He's been stellar all year. He still gave us a chance to win this one, and we've got to find a way."

—C Josh Bailey, on G Al Montoya after a 5-3 loss Tuesday in Montreal.

by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Dec 29, 2011 6:33 AM EST up reply actions  

no, you don't know my thoughts on fighting

Nor on sticking up for your teammates. I’m not saying don’t do it – you will get eaten alive if you don’t. I’m saying do it right, do it smart. I’m saying do it so that you aren’t the only one suffering all the consequences. I’m saying do it so that your team gets the benefit, not the other guys. There’s a fine line between “standing up for your team” and “selfishly costing my team the game.”

The point isn’t to make them bleed, it’s to score more goals. That wins games, and everything else is only a means to that end. Getting too addicted to “teh gritz” and “moar hitting” and etc is absolutely worthless if you lose sight of the big picture – SCORE MORE GOALS THAN THE BAD GUYS.

What was the point of all that fighting with Gillies and Terry Murray, and all the rest of the 1980 Islanders? HINT: would you remember them nearly as fondly if Boston won in six games? Oh, “But we stood up for ourselves and didn’t get pushed around!” Yup, that would have saved Arbour’s job and started the dynasty, sure thing.

You know as well as anyone that the point isn’t that they brawled with Boston and Philly, but that they won the Stanley Cup. If they hadn’t they would have been another bunch of tough guys who couldn’t get it done where it counted. Don’t foget that the Bruins had little choice but to play them that way, or they weren’t going to beat the Islanders. And what also seems to be forgotten is that the Islanders’ thumpers could also play some hockey, they weren’t just skating Mongos. (For that matter, so were the Flyers’ thumpers.) We don’t remember last year’s Isles fondly just because of the Pens brawl, but because they were one of the better teams in hockey over the last 50 or so games. That started a while before the Penguins started their crap, and they started it because they had lost to the Isles earlier and Sidney’s point streak got snapped and they were feeling all weepy. And the Isles were smoking them in the brawl game before things went haywire.

Toughness is a part of winning, not a substitute. We “hippies” want the team to win, not just clobber people. Or do you “knuckle-draggers” enjoy WWE on Ice instead of winning hockey? Obviously, that’s not true – this shitstorm of whining didn’t really get going until the current losing streak – the Isles are playing bad hockey and “defending each other” is not by itself going to fix things. Funny, but that stuff usually works a hell of a lot better on winning teams that play good hockey in the first place.

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by mikb on Dec 29, 2011 10:52 AM EST up reply actions  

exactly

Because we are doing so much better without these goons on our team.

You claimed earlier in the year we didn’t need Haley and Gillies on our team because we needed the roster spots for ’"secondary scoring".

Which you’re absolutely right on. As soon as we get these guys who can provide this secondary scoring. When are these players getting here? Pandalfo, Reasoner, Wallace, and Rolston arent getting it done.

"We owe him a lot more than he owes us at this point. He's been stellar all year. He still gave us a chance to win this one, and we've got to find a way."

—C Josh Bailey, on G Al Montoya after a 5-3 loss Tuesday in Montreal.

by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Dec 29, 2011 11:02 AM EST up reply actions  

I know

Fuck all, I’m disappointed with Reasoner. Comeau’s implosion didn’t help either. And I’m sick of Mottau. He isn’t even a cap mule, he’s just a hole on the ice that opponents skate around on their way to scoring goals. Occasionally the puck falls in and it breaks up the rush – big deal.

But you know, we actually were eight points ahead of last year’s pace after 30 games, without Zenon and Gillies (and mostly Haley) – and that’s despite having half an AHL defense and getting nearly nothing from our bottom six. So, you know… I tend to think that I might have had a point.

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by mikb on Dec 29, 2011 11:12 AM EST up reply actions  

LOL, we WERE 8 points better, but now only 4?

That’s because these pansies let Montoya get run over and over and now the goalie that doesn’t want to be here can’t win a game. You think his teammates are aware he doesn’t want to be here?

Yey, we were 8 pointsbetter.

"We owe him a lot more than he owes us at this point. He's been stellar all year. He still gave us a chance to win this one, and we've got to find a way."

—C Josh Bailey, on G Al Montoya after a 5-3 loss Tuesday in Montreal.

by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Dec 29, 2011 11:18 AM EST up reply actions  

What can I tell you?

Monty got run AFTER Okposo tried to stand up for Frans. I also seem to recall that we won that game because the goalie that doesn’t want to be here stopped everything and made two good saves in the shootout round. With all the misery you see, surely you can pick a better example than that.

Giving away the Leafs game in ten minutes is a good place to start. That was sucktacular. Having the worst extra skater offense in the known world is another good example. I’ve seen teams with no subs do better with five guys than the Isles do with six. Hell, they ought to go intentionally shorthanded instead of get an extra skater out there.

So, yeah – YAY we were 8 points better. You would rather 8 points worse? Doesn’t this past week sting a little more because the team had played better, and that we can reasonably expect more from them?

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by mikb on Dec 29, 2011 12:13 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Garth, what about focusing on the numbers game that counts?

That numbers game mantra is too easy to work with.

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by DP'sknee(andhipandflubugandotherknee) on Dec 28, 2011 10:32 PM EST up reply actions  

I'd have liked to ask him...

WTF were you thinking when you traded Hunter for Rolston?
“Hey, here’s an opportunity for me to help my buddy lou who just stole an NHL ready defenseman with his weighted lottery ball at the draft. Maybe I can clear $4M of cap space for him, while I reunite Doug Weight and his good buddy Brian Rolston. Brian can also help us with our cap problem and the PP with that terrific shot from the point… that hasn’t hit anything of value except dipietro’s head.”

or maybe I could sign some defensemen with that money… but the market is thin… and REAL PLAYERS DON’T WANT OUR MONEY.

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by JPinVA on Dec 28, 2011 9:52 PM EST reply actions  

Reminds me of Seinfeld

“What the hell did you trade Jay Buhner?!? He had 30 home runs, over 100 rbi’s last year, rocket for a arm! You don’t know what the hell your doing!!”

You should've seen her face. It was the exact same look my father gave me when I told him I wanted to be a ventriloquist.

by mikefromVA on Dec 28, 2011 10:22 PM EST up reply actions  

Speaking of Hunter

They just mentioned him in the LA Kings game. Kinda miss him a little, but I swear he was never the same after that knee on knee hit.

You should've seen her face. It was the exact same look my father gave me when I told him I wanted to be a ventriloquist.

by mikefromVA on Dec 28, 2011 10:31 PM EST up reply actions   2 recs

Trent Hunter

I really thought that he would play out his contract with the isles and skate off into the sunset. He definitely lost some air in the tires. But he competed, and would have been a better 50 game fourth line RW (with haley and Rhett getting opps to fill that role eventually… add Wallace to that) than Rolston is a third line LW. Comeau never wanted to be a RW… and he put up nice numbers for a 25 year old thrid liner at LW… but… Brian Rolston brings something that the team needed more of….

BULLSHIT!!!!


Today we’re going to explore the reasons why Garth Snow dealt for Brian Rolston

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by JPinVA on Dec 28, 2011 10:42 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

It's official, folks

After all the bs we have been through, Isles nation is finally melting down.

"We owe him a lot more than he owes us at this point. He's been stellar all year. He still gave us a chance to win this one, and we've got to find a way."

—C Josh Bailey, on G Al Montoya after a 5-3 loss Tuesday in Montreal.

by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Dec 28, 2011 10:44 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm on the bus...

I’ll always be on the bus… until the bus is headed to Quebec or where-ever it winds up… but my support for the stupidity is at an end.
I think over three different threads I’ve gone over the mistakes in the 2008, 09, 10 and 11 drafts. The inability of them to deal with UFAs… the history of management not caring about what the fans want to see… and a the out and out magic show they put on to explain why they can put an AHL team on the ice night after night and expect us to have patience.
I’m just sick of the driver. I think a lot of the pieces are starting to come together… but the defense is going to be 4 or 5 years if they don’t do something with the inventory of forwards they have and the CAP SPACE.

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by JPinVA on Dec 28, 2011 10:53 PM EST up reply actions  

I know...

and there isn’t even gonna be any make up sex.

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by JPinVA on Dec 28, 2011 11:03 PM EST up reply actions  

yeah, I know some want Strome at center, but I have a feeling that’s the winger for JT.

"We owe him a lot more than he owes us at this point. He's been stellar all year. He still gave us a chance to win this one, and we've got to find a way."

—C Josh Bailey, on G Al Montoya after a 5-3 loss Tuesday in Montreal.

by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Dec 28, 2011 11:13 PM EST up reply actions  

Right now Strome is 3 or 4 years away...

from being anything. they had better not put another kid in the NHL that can’t go to the AHL. that BULLSHIT has got to stop as well.
Would it be so bad to have the top nine forwards mature a little and get some help from 21-24 year olds before we start pushing kids like strom into fourth line NHL roles because they play nice with children.

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by JPinVA on Dec 28, 2011 11:30 PM EST up reply actions  

It's just that expectations...

have been not even CLOSE to being met. There are some dreamer fans out there who think that we should be in contention for a cup by now, but the reality is that this team was depleted of all talent when Garth inherited it. A realistic fan knew that the rebuild was the only way to create a competitive team for years to come and it would be a long and enduring process. This rebuild started 5 years ago and you would think that they would at least create a competitive product by now that isn’t at the bottom of the league.

Unfortunately, we are still in the same position we have been for the past few years, hovering around this top 5 pick and this year has been even worse considering what we saw in the 2nd half of the season. The bar was low to begin with, but this team has still failed to even come to close that bar. This is where the frustration is, and the arena issues and rumors of a move make it even worse for the fans who have put up with this team for 25 plus years to know that another city with see success.

I’m not jumping ship and I can’t diagnose a single variable that if changed will create a winning team. This team lacks a lot of things; puck moving d-men, d-men depth, execution, and most of all an identity.

You should've seen her face. It was the exact same look my father gave me when I told him I wanted to be a ventriloquist.

by mikefromVA on Dec 28, 2011 10:53 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

But we started getting an identity at the end of last season

Fans started talking about how fast we looked and how tough we were. And how we were this young team that finally said eneough was enough.

Their answer? To load the team down with over the hill vets who seem not to care, and chase all the toughness away. Good job.

"We owe him a lot more than he owes us at this point. He's been stellar all year. He still gave us a chance to win this one, and we've got to find a way."

—C Josh Bailey, on G Al Montoya after a 5-3 loss Tuesday in Montreal.

by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Dec 28, 2011 10:57 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, but staying put with last season roster wouldn't have done a thing anyways

They had a surge at the end of the season, but I don’t even think they were above real 500% (counting OTL as an actual loss). Even with that surge, we were still a team with the 4th pick overall. Think it was just mean reversion from the woeful first half, but the answer was not Pandolfo and Rolston. I love how we (sports fans) cry about players only wanting money in other sports, but in hockey they love the game so much that we can’t even pay players to come to the Island. Not that I would of paid the price for Versteeg, but I find it hard that we couldnt package something to a cap problem team last year and Rolston was the answer.

You should've seen her face. It was the exact same look my father gave me when I told him I wanted to be a ventriloquist.

by mikefromVA on Dec 28, 2011 11:10 PM EST up reply actions  

Nobody says the roster should've stay the same

But adding the devil connection was the wrong idea. I think we all know that now.

"We owe him a lot more than he owes us at this point. He's been stellar all year. He still gave us a chance to win this one, and we've got to find a way."

—C Josh Bailey, on G Al Montoya after a 5-3 loss Tuesday in Montreal.

by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Dec 28, 2011 11:12 PM EST up reply actions  

Oh I agree with you 100%

just throwing out my, “like, opinion man” El Duderino over here isn’t happy with the state of the isles army and doesn’t think that putting nino on the 2nd line and moving Bailey to wing is going to do shit, as some others have been so adamant about. Best part about this website is that everyone is on the same page for the most part and we all agree that this losing is unacceptable. Problem is the Isle management has alienated the fan base to the point where people are heavily considering jumping ship.

You should've seen her face. It was the exact same look my father gave me when I told him I wanted to be a ventriloquist.

by mikefromVA on Dec 28, 2011 11:17 PM EST up reply actions  

yeah, and for what we have been through for almost 20 years

We are pretty die hard. And you know you’ve done something when you may have convinced us to jump ship.

"We owe him a lot more than he owes us at this point. He's been stellar all year. He still gave us a chance to win this one, and we've got to find a way."

—C Josh Bailey, on G Al Montoya after a 5-3 loss Tuesday in Montreal.

by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Dec 28, 2011 11:19 PM EST up reply actions  

That surge last season

…was supposed to be worth losing the top (1st or 2nd) overall pick – the price for growing and improving as a TEAM with a tough IDENTITY, which I thought they really found.

If this year’s team really does not progress from last year, then that surge was a complete waste…

"Seriously that's the last time you guys f#@%ing won?" -RSH (about beating the Penguins in '93)

by Bryan2112 on Dec 29, 2011 12:38 AM EST up reply actions  

Hunter gave everything he had ever night....

Cant say that much for his replacements…

by KO21 on Dec 29, 2011 8:43 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Hunter for Rolston

I think we all know what that was about.

$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

"We owe him a lot more than he owes us at this point. He's been stellar all year. He still gave us a chance to win this one, and we've got to find a way."

—C Josh Bailey, on G Al Montoya after a 5-3 loss Tuesday in Montreal.

by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Dec 28, 2011 10:33 PM EST up reply actions  

$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

that’s got to be the common denominator on this season

Wang lost the vote, and said Fuck You to Islanders Country – we won’t get one thin dime more than he needs to spend

for now, anyway – a Yes vote, and we may have had a different approach to the season – this way, we made a few silly bets (Rolston, Pandolfo, Nino, Mottau, Eaton, Reasoner) and are now totally stuck with them – next year, we get some more room to play with – but there’s no room for error when you have to stay riveted to one budget

by Cary K on Dec 28, 2011 10:53 PM EST up reply actions  

And then to help the rival so they can sign Parise easier

Of course we are not anybody’s rival anymore. The Rags toyed with us the other night. They, nor their fans were worried about our team.

"We owe him a lot more than he owes us at this point. He's been stellar all year. He still gave us a chance to win this one, and we've got to find a way."

—C Josh Bailey, on G Al Montoya after a 5-3 loss Tuesday in Montreal.

by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Dec 28, 2011 11:07 PM EST up reply actions  

OMG... come on guys. Seriously. Enough with the emo feeling sorry for yourself type stuff.

we are not anybody’s rival anymore :(
We are inconsequential. :’(

Seriously????

Let Us Go, Islanders! (Ever notice how strange that sounds without the contraction?)

by TheMetalChick on Dec 29, 2011 3:52 PM EST up reply actions   2 recs

If this rivalry was so relevant then why aren't we playing against the Rags in the Winter Classic???

I have friends who are Ranger fans and they don’t get excited for the games against us…Do u think that the Rags hate the Isles like they hate the Flyers or the Pens???This rivalry has died..Did you see any real passion in the last couple games against the Rags? I sure as hell didn’t see that fire…If this team ever gets to respectability then maybe the rivalry will reignite but as of now it is dead…

PS. You cant blame Isles fans for feelings sorry…

by KO21 on Dec 29, 2011 6:32 PM EST up reply actions  

There is I think maybe 1M difference between the remainder of their two contracts.

Let Us Go, Islanders! (Ever notice how strange that sounds without the contraction?)

by TheMetalChick on Dec 28, 2011 11:01 PM EST up reply actions  

Hunter GWG for Kings against Black Hawks

Dagger! haha.

You should've seen her face. It was the exact same look my father gave me when I told him I wanted to be a ventriloquist.

by mikefromVA on Dec 28, 2011 11:05 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

I haven't seen a 20 minute film cause this much uproar since the ending of Million Dollar Baby

It was an odd Q&A. I thought the questions were basically the ones most fans would want to know about (Y U NO ZENON, why’d you throw Comeau overboard for nothing and yo, where Haley at?). But Garth’s answers were basic and cold, just like his demeanor.

It’s the body language I find interesting, too. Garth was a fiery player and a big trash talker on the ice. Now, I see a guy who wants to say “I don’t know when these candyasses are just gonna hit somefuckingbody sometime” but actually says, “we’re very disappointed” because he doesn’t want to rile any feathers. You can practically see the gears turning in his head.

The most telling line he said was “there is more than one way to skin a cat.” Well, it’s safe to say that a lot of Garth’s cat-skinning techniques haven’t worked out this season. And another year of irrelevance isn’t going to make future cat-skinning any easier.

"He's depriving some small village of a pretty good idiot" - Mike Milbury on Ziggy Palffy's agent. On Twitter: @Dan_of_Science

by PGI on Dec 28, 2011 11:30 PM EST reply actions  

Oh, forgot one thing

WILD SPECULATION ALERT: Garth did say the fans will be surprised by the lines for the game on Thursday? TRAYDE??one

No, seriously. Subban’s been a healthy scratch for the Habs. Gaulthier needs to save his ass. Fleece ’em.

"He's depriving some small village of a pretty good idiot" - Mike Milbury on Ziggy Palffy's agent. On Twitter: @Dan_of_Science

by PGI on Dec 28, 2011 11:37 PM EST up reply actions  

wishful thinking

very wishful thinking – make it so

by Cary K on Dec 28, 2011 11:42 PM EST up reply actions  

I Wish I could rec this as green as a KIND BUD

LOL

Post of the year maybe

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by FB4Real on Dec 28, 2011 11:49 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm only high on life, my man

And trying to find reasons to keep watching. Now that the Moulstache is no more, I can’t even make Beastie Boys Sabotage references during games.

"He's depriving some small village of a pretty good idiot" - Mike Milbury on Ziggy Palffy's agent. On Twitter: @Dan_of_Science

by PGI on Dec 28, 2011 11:53 PM EST up reply actions  

Rolston coming back doe not make me want to watch.

"We owe him a lot more than he owes us at this point. He's been stellar all year. He still gave us a chance to win this one, and we've got to find a way."

—C Josh Bailey, on G Al Montoya after a 5-3 loss Tuesday in Montreal.

by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Dec 28, 2011 11:57 PM EST up reply actions  

Hey Dan

I would be Going Rex Ryan on My Brothers Fans up in Boston if we could make a good deal and get PK.
He is one of my personal A+ Targets.

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by FB4Real on Dec 28, 2011 11:53 PM EST up reply actions  

We have all the pieces to make it happen....

Young forward like Bailey, or a PK specialist like frans…. though frans is an expiring asset.
A replacement D like dehaan or Wishart.. obviously one would be 80% of a deal, the other just a throw in. I’d give them any D that isn’t macHamonic or Donovan.
Cap Space to take on bad contracts. That’ll be important for them next year.
Draft picks to find a D that speaks french.
You can even have our PP coach!

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by JPinVA on Dec 29, 2011 12:00 AM EST up reply actions  

I don't always play the fantasy trading game

but when I do, I prefer ones that make sense. And this one makes sense.

"He's depriving some small village of a pretty good idiot" - Mike Milbury on Ziggy Palffy's agent. On Twitter: @Dan_of_Science

by PGI on Dec 29, 2011 1:22 AM EST up reply actions  

He said fans will be pleasantly surprised...

He must think that Isles fans are easily pleased…

by KO21 on Dec 29, 2011 8:47 AM EST up reply actions  

12/28/11

The day LHH finally melted down.

"We owe him a lot more than he owes us at this point. He's been stellar all year. He still gave us a chance to win this one, and we've got to find a way."

—C Josh Bailey, on G Al Montoya after a 5-3 loss Tuesday in Montreal.

by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Dec 28, 2011 11:48 PM EST reply actions  

Niemi just made a crazy save.

"We owe him a lot more than he owes us at this point. He's been stellar all year. He still gave us a chance to win this one, and we've got to find a way."

—C Josh Bailey, on G Al Montoya after a 5-3 loss Tuesday in Montreal.

by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Dec 28, 2011 11:55 PM EST reply actions  

How about the rebuild question............

The answer was he is not happy, but the team has good nights and a couple of wins in a row. Hell thats like someone who is poor and hungry and bragging about a getting a couple of free handouts every few weeks. The answer for the latter would be getting a better job etc which would lead to a better life. Of course the answer from Snow for the rebuild would have been some positive steps he plans for the future that will turn the team and franchise around. He didn’t answer that way because they are just serviving game to game or in the analogy meal to meal.

by altosax on Dec 29, 2011 11:53 AM EST reply actions   1 recs


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May 24, 1980: Tonelli to Nystrom. At long last, the steady build of the New York Islanders from expansion doormat to surprise semifinalist to annual contender reaches the promised land: Buoyed by a late season trade for Butch Goring that gave the team the depth up the middle GM Bill Torrey had been seeking, the Islanders knock off the Philadelphia Flyers in six games.

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