Rangers 4 (EN), Islanders 2: Mistakes Cost You.
by Dominik on Dec 22, 2011 9:59 PM EST
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PrintMartin Biron made the early saves he needed to, Evgeni Nabokov missed a few that would have helped, and two Islanders mistakes were the margin of defeat as the New York Islanders fell to the New York Rangers 4-2 at Madison Square Garden.
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During what was a crazy first period with many shots on Nabokov (the rebounds cleaned up by the Islanders defense) and some dangerous standalone chances stopped by Biron, Brandon Dubinsky opened scoring with an end-to-end rush in which he passed John Tavares, made barely a speed bump of P.A. Parenteau, and was ceded space by Mark Streit to beat Nabokov far side.
The Islanders would tie it once, but they were stuck playing catch-up most of the game. After falling behind 3-1 and grabbing one back to make it interesting, a John Mitchell empty net goal sealed it after yet another comical pulled goalie display by the Isles.
Parenteau atoned quickly for the first goal (though he'd take a weak and time-consuming penalty late in the third), answering early in the second with a powerplay goal on a backhand at the doorstep.
By flow it was mostly an even game (shots: 26-25 for the Isles), though Marian Gaborik was probably the most dangerous threat on the ice and each team's top line traded chances that could've broken the game open at any point.
After a first period that wasn't short on hair-raising chances but lacked that physical flair of a derby rivalry, things also got a little more bitter as the game wore on. We'll see if any of the rough stuff carries over to the other side of the weekend holiday.
Game Highlights
Game Notes
Mistakes: The first goal was already described above, with Parenteau, Streit and Nabokov each playing their part. ... The second go-ahead goal by the Rangers may have been uglier, with a breakdown on the faceoff against the FNGO line allowing Gaborik (oh, is he dangerous?) to receive a pass uncovered in front of Nabokov, around whom he easily tucked the puck for his 20th goal.
Jack Capuano on that one:
“That’s something as coaches that we take pride in and something as coaches we show them before the game,” Capuano said. “It was exactly the same two guys (Anisimov and Gaborik) that set up against us last time and we knew it could have been coming. That was a big goal there.”
The third Rangers goal wasn't so much a mistake as a really nice bounce on a deflected pass settling on a tee for Michael Del Zotto. You'd prefer Nabokov stop that one too, but it was a heck of a blast in an unexpected context.
Stu Bickel does a Dumb Thing: Bickel bear-hugged Tim Wallace during a third-period scrum, no doubt showing some superior mastery of the testosterone arts. After lots and lots of talking, they finally agree to fight and Wallace (who wears a visor) began to undo his chin strap to remove his helmet ... but Bickel (who does not wear a visor) took the moment to Avery jump Wallace ahead of time. When proving one's badass qualities, one might accept when one is extended common courtesy rather than use it as a chance to gain an ungentlemanly advantage. Bickel got the extra two, and Matt Moulson scored his team-leading 16th goal on the ensuing powerplay to make things interesting for the rest of the third.
(In the post-game, John Tortorella was puzzled and said that call could go either way -- and he's right. I just figured it was a karma penalty for Bickel for taking so long to fight, then only jumping in when Wallace had one hand fumbling with his chin strap.)
Bickel had fought Matt Martin by faceoff appointment earlier in the third period. Like his tussle with Wallace, that altercation was uneventful.
Woe, Nino: Clumsy sequence for rookie Nino Niederreiter, who took the puck down the right wing boards, tried to do a Tavares-like pull-up move but fell when his feet tangled with Ryan McDonagh, then took McDonagh's feet out when he swiped his stick from his stomach. No shot, and a minor penalty for his troubles.
Mark Eaton Returns: Not that he's an agile speed demon to begin with, but I can't say I noticed any mobility issues for Mark Eaton in his first game since returning from the knee sprain.
Refs Nearly Blow It: Goodness, Mike Mottau should have been called for icing in the dying minutes but the officials waived it off while Biron indicated icing was in effect. Assuming Biron was correct, the Rangers did merely a touch-up and Kyle Okposo swooped in to pick up the puck for a dangerous wraparound and rebound that Biron froze. That would have made for some fun drama, but the hockey gods only teased with the threat of intervention.
Yet Another Empty-Net Cock-Up
(This one deserved its own separate bold heading.)
Whether pulling the goalie comically early, not getting the puck in deep with said goalie out, or not having any coherent plan for 6-on-5 at all (rendering the whole idea of pulling early moot), all season long the Islanders have made a mess of things with the goalie pulled. Tonight was no different as Nabokov came out of the net as Frans Nielsen rushed the puck through the neutral zone. Nielsen was stopped by a line of bodies at the Rangers blueline though (whether he did not know the goalie was pulled or whether he just tried to do too much, we don't know). John Mitchell easily carried the puck over the red line and deposited it into the empty net.
Nielsen on the play in the Isles recap:
“I should have known he was coming, but we were all gassed,” Nielsen said. “I didn’t want to just put it in there and give the puck away, so I tried to hold on to it and I didn’t know he was coming off the net to the bench. It was a tough one.”
Travis Hamonic's expression was likewise one of a guy who'd just seen his team royally miscommunicate. Again. His outstretched WTH?! arms were speaking the frustration of thousands of Islanders fans. One day he'll be joined by better teammates who are as able, driven and hockey-smart as he. In the mean time, these mistakes cost.
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These two teams are back at it again Monday, but first they have a holiday and a game tomorrow night, with the Rangers taking on their [NBC event] rival Flyers and the Islanders hosting the Maple Leafs. The Rangers were able to save Henrik Lundqvist for that bigger game against a bigger opponent, and Martin Biron proved that decision a good one. For shame.
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Again, here are the Hamonic reaction photos...photo 2 with Nabby still on the ice
Just seems like everyone not wanting to throw anyone under the bus in post game interviews…gotta give Maven the kudos for asking the tough questions there (what went wrong, what happened on the goalie pull etc). Everyone saying "I don’t know…gotta get the puck deep. The fact that Nabby isn’t off yet, but is standing there, and not even looking at the play bothers the hell out of me.
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As another aside
Streit and Jurcina went for a change…Hamonic and Amac were just getting on…so, who changes both D and the goalie pull at the same time vacating that entire portion of the ice. Just an absolute travesty and that is a coaching issue.
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by Keith Quinn on Dec 22, 2011 10:09 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Must have missed something significant here
is there a vid of this sequence?
by Chickendirt on Dec 22, 2011 10:12 PM EST up reply actions
I don't have one
but basically, they pulled Nabokov before they had even cleared center ice probably or as play was being broken up at the blue line and coming the other way…at the same time, they changed Streit and Jurcina, so that picture is Amac and Hamonic rushing to get back in the play.
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by Keith Quinn on Dec 22, 2011 10:14 PM EST up reply actions
The Islanders have 2 goaltending coaches and a GM that used to be a goaltender and yet they now need a coach in charge of pulling the netminder.
This would be a joke if it were the first time pulling the goaltender has been a ridiculous disaster. Do they need to hire a third goaltending coach to work the bench and has the sole responsibility to pull the goaltender. We can get him some flags to sign it out in semaphore if we have to, but this just ain’t working.
With all of the goaltender injuries mid-game, goaltender carousel and early pulling the Islanders goaltenders should not only be able to get pulled for the extra man, they should be able to swap goaltenders on-the-fly.
Yeah, disaster
Someone must have gotten a signal crossed, because nobody looked like they knew what was going on. Was Nabby supposed to come off that early? Did Nielsen know and just not make a smart play at the blue line? So many questions
I may go back and make a video of it
because really, if Nabby is still standing there, it’s almost like he would have to be heading to the bench while play was coming back the other way…and that would infuriate me into never wanting him to suit up again.
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by Keith Quinn on Dec 22, 2011 10:15 PM EST up reply actions
I doubt he was doing it while play was coming the other way
— at least not at a point where it’s worthwhile to turn back around (you’re in no man’s land) rather than get off and get your more mobile replacement on the ice and making a difference. There’s a certain point of no return.
But what I’d love to know is why the decision was made that early, whether they communicated to Nielsen (who shouldn’t necessarily expect the goalie to be out already) adequately that he needs to get this one in deep. There’s a sequence here the reporters should ask about and the personnel should answer about who screwed up or missed the memo.
I really don’t get how they (or whoever) assumes that since they have the puck in the neutral zone, they’re about to have it in the offensive zone. Even if Nielsen had dumped it, we saw against MTL they don’t exactly have a fail-safe plan to win the puck there or even prevent the defenseman from having an easy clear.
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He was
so was Streit getting off the ice…I’ll have a diagram. It was just a cluster eff of people not paying attention.
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by Keith Quinn on Dec 22, 2011 10:30 PM EST up reply actions
Nielsen on the play
"I should have known he was coming, but we were all gassed," Nielsen said. "I didn’t want to just put it in there and give the puck away, so I tried to hold on to it and I didn’t know he was coming off the net to the bench. It was a tough one."
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And I think that is more my point
he was definitely going, but why didn’t anyone know what the hell was going on. I mean, is it customary to change D at the same time as the goaltender is pulled? I would have to doubt that. If Amac was on the ice long enough, he and Hamonic may be in position to block that.
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by Keith Quinn on Dec 22, 2011 11:10 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, that's what I'm getting at
They almost need protocol, controlling the variables of who’s changing the D (if needed) who’s making the call to the goalie and who’s making sure the forward knows he can’t afford a risk in the neutral zone.
I would also prefer they wait until they get the damn puck in deep before they even bother.
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Lack of communication has to fall on the coaches
is it customary to change D at the same time as the goaltender is pulled?
Only in the circus when all the clowns are getting in and out of the tiny car. Don’t coaches talk on the bench and let the guys know that they are going to puil the goaltender so that when you shift goes out there you know what is going on. Even in peewee the coach informed us when the goaltender was going to be pulled (probably so we wouldn’t all yell we have too many men on the ice).
This makes it seem like a lack of coordination on the bench and no forethought. Someone instinctively feels NOW is the time to pull the goaltender and they start waiving him off or they leave it completely up to the goaltender to come out whne he thinks he can or if he feels he isn’t up for the shoot-out.
....don't know if it's touched upon further along, but
…..I have a sneaking suspicion that the miscommunication may have been as a result of Nabby’s concern about having too many men on the ice (?)
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Goalie perspective
If I have to be pulled for an extra man, my bench and I are talking about it well ahead of time. “Mike – with one minute left,” they’ll say, and if they don’t, I’ll ask. And if we get a faceoff low or get control, they may call me sooner, so I have to be alert.
And if I’m heading off while the guys are still rushing, I have to be aware that I may have to stop and head back. Ultimately if I don’t think it’s safe I stay put, no matter what guys are yelling at me. To me it’s the same as if I’m controlling a rebound and my guys are yelling “PLAY IT!” or “OVER HERE!” because they want to counterattack. If I see forwards right on their back or I don’t like what I’m seeing I hold it, and I don’t give a rat’s ass if they get mad. It’s my puck. I just let them score goals with it to feel useful.
Maybe Nabokov felt like he could make it off and get the extra skater in to help. Maybe Frans remembered the easy EN for Hal Gill in Montreal, when they chipped deep and didn’t chase, and he had enough time to line it up like a putt. Lots of little things together. But ultimately the coach has got to tell his guys what’s going on and what he wants to see, and when. And if they can’t get the hang of the goalie pull on the fly, then they damned well should wait until they get a faceoff and they KNOW where to go and how to play it. It’s not like the team has no experience being down a goal late. It’s Keystone Kops and it makes the team look amateur just when they’re starting to show real results. That’s one of the reasons why careless media types think of the Isles as a punchline even though they’ve really improved.
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by mikb on Dec 23, 2011 10:24 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I'm mystified
Why Nabby didn’t play that half way. Head up to the top of the circle and see how the play goes. You’re right that there were a lot of little things that went wrong, maybe in Russia the goalie doesn’t have as much say? (Is it bad if I don’t know if that’s a joke or not?)
by IDCWhoYouLike on Dec 23, 2011 10:33 AM EST up reply actions
rec'd for continuing the goalie vs. forward subthread
I don’t give a rat’s ass if they get mad. It’s my puck. I just let them score goals with it to feel useful.
:)
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by Hockey1919 on Dec 23, 2011 1:23 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
ROFL
Well, if my team didn’t feel like their goals were necessary to winning, they’d get discouraged. I try to keep morale high, you know?
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This crap is embarrassing.
The fact that Isles fans get absolutely no explanation is so bothersome…They want the fans to support them and be patient through this long rebuilding process but they don’t give us professional coverage. If shit like this happened on the Rangers, the coach would be asked for an explanation, pointblank…The Isles hire minor league reporters and as soon as they start to hone their crafts they allow them to go someplace else and then replace them with another beginner reporter…The Isles are a stepping stone for reporters…
Deb Placey was horrible for years and she worked herself into a fine analyst and now shes with the Devils…
Rob Carlin was so bad he would make me cringe…He started to do allot better after, his 2nd season…The next year the Isles replaced him with another no name beginner, Peter Ruttgaizer…Bill Jaffe worked into one of the best analysts in hockey and Isles felt so lucky to have a guy that good and the Isles replaced him with Rob Carlin…Screw WANG!
I don't think that's the Isles call
I think that’s MSG’s call, so really, Screw DOLAN! Which somehow keeps the universe in balance.
by IDCWhoYouLike on Dec 23, 2011 8:52 AM EST up reply actions
Rosen and Michelletti should just wear Ranger jerseys.
The Islanders get better coverage when they play the Sabres. When Stu-PID Bickel tried to sucker punch Wallace they acted like he was just some over eager little scamp. What homer BS, if any other team in the NHL tried that with the Rangers Rosen’s head would explode. That was pure cheap shit by Bickel and he should be called out on it.
Don’t get me started on Michelletti trying to blame Okposo for getting hit with Richards stick int he mouth. What utter nonsense. I’m watching the damn game and I see the replay with my own eyes, please don’t treat me like I am an idiot. Yes, Okposo was in a battle with Richards for the puck and he was lifting his stick, but Richards still has to control his stick when it flies into someone’s mouth.
Rosen and Michelletti have always been homers
Honestly, I used to be able to watch the Rangers broadcast when Davison was in the booth. Even when Michelletti was in the Isles booth he was a homer, and I used to think it was OK. Honestly, the Isles booth is the minor leagues for MSG, it’s where bad announcers get their start and continue to rot in obscurity, or it’s where old NHL players go to become old analysts. Placey, Jaffe, hell even Michelletti who I could stomach even though he was such a homer, all got promotions to the majors. In that span only Butch Goring got a demotion to the Isles broadcast from HNL.
Please understand, before I get a bunch of replies, that I don’t think of it this way, but MSG obviously does, I mean hell, can you explain Rautglazier (notice: I don’t really care if I spell the guys name right, he’s an idiot). They always have, it’s just now it’s more evident. If they actually gave a crap about the quality of the Isles broadcast they would have fired Rose, kept Jiggs in the booth and either found someone else to be analyst, or kept Jaffe instead of giving Butch time in the booth. Also, please note, I don’t know what type of internal politics let things get this way, but I’m sure there were some.
by IDCWhoYouLike on Dec 23, 2011 9:18 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
No doubt the Islanders telecast is MSG's minor league.
It is MSG after all and not NVMC netwrok, so I expect to be a little bit second class citizen, but I don’t expect the announcers to suck. Rosen (who knew nothing about hockey when he got the job) and Michelletti (I better not criticize the Rangers otherwise I’ll be Marv Albert) are watching a Ranger game and not a hockey game. Davidson was a homer as well, in that he wanted the Rangers to win, I have no problem with that. He at least commented on the game intelligently and didn’t contradict what I was seeing.
I think my point with Michelletti
Is that he’s always been that way, going back to when he was in the booth for the Isles.
by IDCWhoYouLike on Dec 23, 2011 9:51 AM EST up reply actions
Never thought he was this much of a homer with the Isles
I think he has refined his homerism to a new level with Rosen. Howie was at least a Ranger fan calling the Islanders and couldn’t care less. Rosen is aRanger fan alongside him and he just feeds off of it. Like a weed feeds off of manure.
by Hockey1919 on Dec 23, 2011 10:22 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
What's crazy is Michelletti was not that way in St. Louis
I was pretty excited when he was joining the Isles broadcast, because I knew he was good.
I did not anticipate the MSG frontal lobotomy.
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I always enjoy this stuff
If I had a nickel for every time this sequence happened:
Wife: “what is (fill in the blank announcer) talking about”
Me: “I dunno, I wasn’t listening”
I could fund my own arena for the Islanders. The only one that occasionally cracks my internal forcefield is Emrick, who screams at you so you have no choice but to hear him.
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by George E. Ays on Dec 23, 2011 1:19 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
"who screams at you so you have no choice but to hear him"
That is the perfect description.
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I could never understand the love for Doc "the wall of sound" Emerick.
He invents words and when he still wore the hair piece he looked like that little chicken (not the chickenhawk) that used to vex Foghorn Leghorn.
Chico's rug was far more egregious
And he’s been wearing it since he played for the Rockies.
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Telespeaking it like it is is Hockey1919
Receiving the comment as he spears away the typo is mikb, whose sister was born 25 years ago on this very night in a city not exceedingly far away.
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and a SHAWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWT
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by George E. Ays on Dec 23, 2011 1:27 PM EST up reply actions
I love Doc
“Spirited up to Zubrus! And a SHOT SAVE Fleury. Ohh my”
And then Chico explains the play, only to realize he’s talking about the wrong guy.
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LANG-en-BROO-nurrrr
And rattled on back through to center, but Rafalski says no, and cleared back on to Elias.
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Being a Rockie must've been hell
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this whole subthread is Christmas come early
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Nabby Annoys Me
Something about him tnat i just don’t like at all.
He has had some decent games when he has started for the Isles this year but something about him just rubs me the wrong way.
I get the feeling that he is just not on-board with this group.
It started with last season and not reporting when the Isles claimed him and it continues wit his pulling himself out of the shootout earlier this year and now this….where I do understand that Cappy pulled him a bit early but Nabby just seems disinterested in the photo above.
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Yeah, I feel as if he's just going through the motions...
I get the feeling that hes playing for himself and he doesnt really give a shit about the team as a whole…He knows he is not part of the future plans so he doesnt give a shit…We need Monty back…
Yep....Keep him away from our youngsters
Its like he just wants a chance to play to increase his value as a possible trade piece down the road or to increase his value as a potential Free Agent next summer.
Last Season didn’t work out for him so now he’s gonna whine on the Islanders. Everything about his body language and the way talks to media after games is indifferent (whatever….). He just exudes indifference.
The one thing is that he actually has played fairly decent….and the Isles need some goaltending for the time being so he is helping us in that 1 regard. Otherwise I would have traded the guy 10 minutes ago.
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no
He’s clearly vacated his net and is at the bench for the change.
Not that he particularly cares.
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He should actually get a minus then
(I know he can’t, but) he didn’t even get his ass off the ice enough for his replacement to jump over the boards.
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by Keith Quinn on Dec 23, 2011 11:39 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
This team is gonna get shaken up
It’s just time. Didn’t watch the game tonight but overall there’s just too many passengers/guys that really don’t want to be here. It shows on the ice.
At this point you can’t fire the coach. Frankly because we just did that lil over a year ago.
Some guys on this team should and probably will find themselves playing at new addresses. On talent alone this team is much better than the record they’ve put up. Their struggles this season are mostly psychological. Also due to a few guys that just don’t care enough.
I haven't gotten the feeling effort/passengering was an issue
in tonight’s loss nor the previous two shootout wins. Just close games turning on a dime. Rangers played well.
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Agree
Thank God effort has not been the issue these past half dozen games or so. Effort/Passengers were NOt an issue tonight.
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by Russel Ginart on Dec 22, 2011 11:02 PM EST up reply actions
Its a consistency issue
As they mature they will get better …… I hope, really I pray that they do.
by Hockey1919 on Dec 23, 2011 10:21 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Yup
They have skill but they also make mistakes, and an alarming percentage of them wind up in the net. That only improves with experience. Ah, the growing pains, they are painful.
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Does Capt Jack speak French?
Maybe Garth can trade him to Montreal for Randy Cunneyworth.
I was about to jump on the Cappy Sux Express but after taking a deep breath, I think he’s learning to coach in the NHL just as much as his players are learning to play in the NHL. Honestly, I don’t like it. But I think it’s fair to give him the same leeway I give the players.
I am still really pissed, though…
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by PGI on Dec 22, 2011 10:12 PM EST via mobile reply actions
The coach should have more experience than his players. That’s no excuse. The isles tried the learning NHL coach approach before. It didn’t work.
Can one be an atheist toward a hockey team? That means I have NO faith anymore.
by Turgeon1992 on Dec 22, 2011 11:22 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Since Al Arbour
Lorne Henning had previous NHL Experience
Mike Milbury had previous NHL Experience
Rick Bowness had previous NHL Experience
Lavi had no previous NHL experience
Steve Sterling had no previous NHL Experience
Ted Nolan had previous NHL experience
Scott Gordon had no previous NHL Experience
Cappy has no previous NHL experience
At this point I don’t think it matters if they’ve been head coaches in the NHL before or not, just as long as we win. I don’t think anything about a coaches previous experience in the NHL tells you how well he will do coaching your team.
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by TheMetalChick on Dec 22, 2011 11:44 PM EST up reply actions
ugh...again with this topic...
capuano is not at all to blame for anything. how many times must i hear this? capuano is doing everything he can with the talent that’s given to him. how can you expect a coach to win when the defense he’s forced to put out on the ice can’t play consistently or solid an entire year? so firing him is the solution to the isles problems? time to get your heads out of your asses and just take this season on the chin. things just didn’t go as expected and the isles have some holes to fill in order to put a consistent winner out. garth snow has tried everything in his power to bring in a stud dman. erhoff declined and there really wasn’t much of a market for solid defensemen in this league. that sucks. gotta keep moving along and hope players come into their own…
you know, i expected playoffs as much as anyone else. i was wrong. the isles have some development that needs to take place. next year, ryan strome turns heads. you can take that to the bank.
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Strome is more than 1 year away IMO
The likelihood of a 19-20 yr old making an immediate impact is not really that good. The JT’s and Steven Stamkos’ are very rare. Strome has tremendous skill but also A LOT of strength building to do. The idea that he is gonna come up become a 50 pt. guy is net really that likely. He will be good down the road but I would calm down a little on the Ryan Strome predictions…..would u like me to show you waht some people were writing and saying about Nino last year?
I agree with you capuano though.
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q. ugh…again with this topic… capuano is not at all to blame for anything. how many times must i hear this?
You might be responding to me, but you must be referring to all those voices in your frickin head.
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by TheMetalChick on Dec 23, 2011 9:42 AM EST up reply actions
It is not ALL his fault, but
not at all to blame for anything
That may be excessive, if he is not to blame for anything, then he would get credit for nothing as well. I think it is fair to question his choice of when to pull the goaltender as a glaring weakness IMO. His choice of goatee vs no goatee is obviuosly up to him, he looks like an evil Bluto with it and Fred Flisntone without it. I’m not sure which version the team responds better to, garik16 may have the stats.
The players need to be more talented in some areas and more consistent in others. You don’t wind up where the Islanders are in the standings without looking at every facet of the team to determine where there are weakenesses. That includes Wang, Snow, Cappy the Assts and most obvious the players.
Aside from a discussion of what the coach is doing.
This person claims to be “sick of hearing” an argument that absolutely nobody is making. “Ugh”-ing and complaining over it makes it even more baffling.
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by TheMetalChick on Dec 23, 2011 10:38 AM EST up reply actions
I think he's referring to the comments further up that began this subthread
Not yours specifically.
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take it easy there metal chick...
i wasn’t replying to you at all. i just click reply to the last person who posted to the “sub-thread” to the topic. no need to get personal. (sometimes i wonder what if people didn’t take everything too seriously?) my intentions to my post were to those on the Capuano Sucks wagon. it’s typical of those who get on a coach’s case when in retrospect, you can’t blame it on the coach when he’s squeezing every last drop of juice out of an orange that’s not that juicy to begin with.
FB4Real, you’re right. I got a little carried away with my strome statement. but i am very optimistic of his ability to make an immediate impact. if skinner and couture can help change the dynamic of a team in their 1st season, why can’t stome?
back to you metal chick…i’m not sure if you’ve read the many other threads that have been posted by those who make this site possible for us to share our thoughts on this team, but i believe a vast number of those who visit this site regularly to read comments have definitely come across topics that shed a negative light on coach Jack when he has no control over uncontrollable aspects of the team he is given by upper management and unfortunate injuries. before you begin to insult my intelligence, give those a chance to defend/explain their arguments fairly rather than jump on the opportunity to sound off a distasteful reply.
and Dominik…..yeah man.
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by gukid17 on Dec 23, 2011 3:13 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
No, actually you *did* reply to me- you apparently just didnt mean to? Thats fine, but please dont act like Im dreaming up what you did.
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by TheMetalChick on Dec 23, 2011 3:19 PM EST up reply actions
whatever you want to think is fine...
i’m not acting anything. miscommunication, that’s all. we’re good.
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- Steve Zissou
OK, Im fine with that.
The only thing that was bothering me was how you seemed to be upset with me for simply pointing out Caps NHL experience- but since youre saying that isnt the case, I no longer have any problem with what youre saying.
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by TheMetalChick on Dec 23, 2011 4:24 PM EST up reply actions
I was referring to head coach experience
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Botta Does
Botta thinks a coaches experience does make a difference. He goes out of his way to subtly point this out as often as he can.
He takes little shots at Garth and Capuano’s Experience whenever he can.
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I think being an experienced journalist matters too, as opposed to being a "Blogger" for a couple of years.
When your previous experience is PR hack in charge of approving the Fishsticks uniform, don’t rely on past performance.
by Hockey1919 on Dec 23, 2011 9:09 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
AHL coach is working out fine so far in Dallas this year. And Tampa Bay last year.
I’m not saying Capuano can’t work out, just that he has a learning curve, too.
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by PGI on Dec 23, 2011 10:40 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
No doubt, that's what I keep hammering
It’s fine if one thinks Capuano isn’t a good coach or he isn’t sophisticated enough (seemed to be Bourne’s theory when hired), but saying, “They need an NHL coach” ignores all of the AHL coaches who have done just fine in the NHL, including one of the AHL coaches the Islanders hired, fired, then watched make the Cup finals twice.
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Blysma was an AHL coach that won the Cup with an NHL team.
AHL coaches the Islanders hired, fired, then watched make the Cup finals twice.
But in Lavi’s case, once you are fired at the NHL level, you are no longer an AHL coach, so he was an NHL coach that went to the Cup Finals twice. He just wasn’t a different coach than the guy that coached in the AHL .
by Hockey1919 on Dec 23, 2011 1:14 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Missed the game.....
…..however Kyle Okposo is sat on the adjacent seat to me on the 10:18 out of Penn. with his girl, looks pissed
by GT66 on Dec 22, 2011 10:19 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Its bad enough they lose
But now he’s got to ride home surrounded by drunk Rangers fans? I’d be pissed, too.
Tell him LHH says Hi!
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by PGI on Dec 22, 2011 10:22 PM EST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
Seriously...
home for the holidays and missed the game because was taking Mrs.fromva to Radio City Xmas spectacular. Took the LIRR 10:22 train and had to witness a fight between two groups of drunk rangers fans because one was talking shit to another guy because he thought his met hat was an islanders hat. Mrs.FromVA is very grateful that we’re going to the Leafs game tomorrow and not the game tonight. Speaking of which, anyone going to tomorrows game?!?!
You should've seen her face. It was the exact same look my father gave me when I told him I wanted to be a ventriloquist.
This is just...wow.
Stay classy, humanity!
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Wait...
Drunken Rangers fans are human? (sorry, just couldn’t resist)
by IDCWhoYouLike on Dec 23, 2011 8:57 AM EST up reply actions
You left out the most important detail of the story - was she hot?
I would expect the answer to be yes, but really beyond that detail it reads like guy on train with girl.
Start talking loudly about the ENG situation
Maybe it’ll bug him enough to force him to correct the record.
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Really? Get a pic
they make them take the train? No bus?
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by Keith Quinn on Dec 22, 2011 11:00 PM EST up reply actions
I bet if they have a girl to entertain
They can go home as they wish.
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Is that Miss Ranger fan 2011?
That won the Miss Ranger fan pageant, right? I think I saw that on The Ugly Channel on the dish.
by martylnd on Dec 23, 2011 11:01 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
They can probably go home any way they want to- they arent far from home. For some guys it probably takes longer to go back to NVMC and then go home via cars than it takes to just go home from MSG via train.
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by TheMetalChick on Dec 22, 2011 11:59 PM EST up reply actions
on the 10:18......wow
He must have really been in a rush to get outta there aftr the game.
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He says "hi" to LHH
Luckily no Rags fans in our coach
by GT66 on Dec 22, 2011 10:28 PM EST via mobile reply actions 1 recs
Did he really say hi to us?
"We owe him a lot more than he owes us at this point. He's been stellar all year. He still gave us a chance to win this one, and we've got to find a way."
—C Josh Bailey, on G Al Montoya after a 5-3 loss Tuesday in Montreal.
by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Dec 22, 2011 10:29 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah but.......
……he’s not in any mood to talk. I said we’ll get them on Monday. I’m more confident than him.
by GT66 on Dec 22, 2011 10:33 PM EST via mobile reply actions 3 recs
Citation needed.
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by Dominik on Dec 22, 2011 10:45 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
not scoring
lax on D (gave up on Gaborik’s goal – see IPB), not nearly as inspired on the ice in general (or on twitter for that matter) as he was last year
is he playing hurt?
I feel like our 2nd line is more like a 3rd line at this point the way they are playing & not scoring
He's scored twice in the last four, thrice in the last seven?
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Grabs did screw up on that faceoff goal by Gaborik.
I dont know WTH he was doing- daydreaming?
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by TheMetalChick on Dec 22, 2011 10:50 PM EST up reply actions
Right, big mistake
That happens. I don’t understand how a big mistake becomes “WTH happened to this guy?”
I do think the second line is struggling. I haven’t read it as something ailing Grabner. His linemates look equally culpable if not more so to my eyes.
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Yeah me either. I guess you can say I generally find extreme statements tiring and of relatively little value.
I mean, if Grabs has one awful play that ultimately blows at least one point if not two, its still ONE play. It is not reflective of every single thing he does.
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by TheMetalChick on Dec 22, 2011 11:54 PM EST up reply actions
Not sure
I have had the impression that he’s been a bit tender since he had his game off for injury, like he’s afraid to hurt himself. Can’t quite put my finger on it, though.
It is Diduck.
I think a shake-up of that line is not a terrible idea.
Maybe:
Grabs-Bailey-Okposo
Nino-Neilsen-Martin
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in general
we aren’t scoring enough
our Top Line is playing well enough, 3rd & 4th lines are doing their jobs
its the 2nd line that has underperformed this year – its holding the team back – Grabner having 15 points by midyear just isn’t good enough – part of the reason this team is underperforming is Grabner not being as good as he was last year
way fewer shorthanded opps as well
you have to woinder if he’s playing hurt – we could try Grabs-Bailey-Okposo, they actually did that for shift last night right after Nielsen was on the PP, and they seemed to have some energy
I wouldn’t mind if they tried Grabs-Bailey-KO
we need more scoring from line 2 – I don’t understand Capuano at all
and Eaton-Reese > Eaton-Mottau – is that really so hard to figure out?
oh yeah
and if you don’t agree, we are dead last in goals scores – games in hand notwithstanding, that just isn’t acceptable – yet we run the same lines out there night after night as if that’s just hunky dory
no need to experiment with other combos or anything
and Capuano was just quoted on this subject
not enough ‘secondary scoring’
yup
yet he plays the same lineup
yet plays the same lineup
He’s got other options? He’s gonna scratch Grabner for Bob Bourne and Wallace for Duane Sutter?
We may be in the box, but you get the penalty.
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by mikb on Dec 23, 2011 10:32 AM EST up reply actions 3 recs
I remember when the Isles werent scoring last year and people blamed Gordon for mixing things up and not giving guys the time they allegedly needed.
Now the coach is blamed for not doing what people blamed the coach for doing. It is an example of a situation in which the coach is blamed regardless of what choice they make.
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by TheMetalChick on Dec 23, 2011 10:40 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Agreed, it gets tiring hearing "extreme" statements such that declare Grabs as "WTH happened to this guy", or Streit
won’t be worthy of a 5-6 dman spot next year.
Street is a bust, that C is really wearing him down. Grabner has slowed down to the speed of sound.
We need to bring back Konopka, RSH and Jon Sim!
Strange thin is the winger on the faceoff is usually the defenseman's repsonsibility.
Grabner should have been going out to the point. Not sure what the Islanders plans are off the faceoff, but this may once again be a case of the guy closest to the player scoring gets the blame instead of the guy that actually should have been covering him.
I thought the defender int eh corner position should have been jumping up and the defender in the slot should have held his position with Gaborik instead of trying to get behind the center. It is a question of priorities on the ice, not chasing the puck. Would Antropov have scored from that angle on Nabokov? If not, then why leave Gaborik. Grabner (without seeing a replay) probably should have been heading to the point and when he realized Gaborik was alone wet back to pick up the winger.
I’d have to look at the goal again to knwo for sure, but there is no F*ing way you can make me wtach the seuqnece again. The Center also failed to contain his man so plenty of blame to go around.
I think Capuano said in the post game last night
That Gaborik was Grabs’ responsibility. I could be mistaken, I wasn’t really paying all that much attention at that point.
by IDCWhoYouLike on Dec 23, 2011 9:20 AM EST up reply actions
This is why it is often hard to judge who made the mistake without knowing the game plan.
I would be using Grabs speed to get out to the point quickly and leaving one of our immobile defenseman to tie up the goal scorer 10 feet from the net. Then again that’s just me.
During the game
I think I said that Gaborik should be Jurcina’s responsibility. It doesn’t make sense to have a forward playing a customarily defenseman’s position.
by IDCWhoYouLike on Dec 23, 2011 9:53 AM EST up reply actions
If it was Jucie you would think with his wingspan he could cover the front and the circle.
I don’t comment on game threads since I watch the game delayed until the third period, but if you brought it up there I agree. It is a pet peeve of mine that the player closest to the guy that scores is usually the guy blamed for missing the coverage, when it can be a guy so far off screen that caused the problem (.e.g. JT on Del Zotto’s goal).
It depends on the setup
The Isles may have wanted Grabner to shadow Gaborik (speed on speed), or expected Gaborik to float to soft ice instead of drive to the net. That was clearly a set play by the Rangers to chip past and then center quickly, to trap Frans so he couldn’t man the high slot. Grabner was slow to recognize. Jurcina also didn’t fill the passing lane, choosing instead to challenge for the puck.
That play caught a lot of guys flat – it looks almost like the Marino fake spike against the Jets.
We may be in the box, but you get the penalty.
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Yeah
But Capuano said they had specifically practiced and talked about that play before the game. You would think they wouldn’t have been caught as flat footed. The Marino fake against the Jets was effective because he hadn’t done it before. This is a set play that the Rangers have, and the Isles knew it. Not only did Capuano say something after the game, but so did the asst. coach in the second intermission (forgive me, I really can’t remember his name). It makes more sense for Jurcina or Streit to take Gaborik because that’s the natural position.
by IDCWhoYouLike on Dec 23, 2011 10:46 AM EST up reply actions
That, I didn't see
I was not around for the game and only saw highlights. If they KNEW beforehand and still blew it so badly, I’m really dumbfounded.
They had Okposo and Grabner stacked near-side with Jurcina. One of them must have had the assignment to jam Gaborik off the line (there I go with the football again). Streit was on the far wing and entirely unavailable to help the front of the net. Whiskey Tango Foxtrot…
(PS – asst coach was prolly Scott Allen, he always does the “wicked pissah” segment just before the third period starts.)
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Thank you for the reminder
I kept on thinking Dean Chaneuf or however his name is spelled.
They definitely knew beforehand and someone should have picked up Gaborik, I honestly don’t get what the blown coverage was about. I know Streit wasn’t an option, I was just lumping him in there because Jurcina and he are defense partners and you would think that they both would better be able to cover a forward in that position given they have probably been playing D most of their lives.
Either way, it was just such a stupid play that has worked twice in the same week if I’m not mistaken.
by IDCWhoYouLike on Dec 23, 2011 11:36 AM EST up reply actions
I said the same thing in the game thread
Curious to know then who was responsible for getting out to the point…because that didn’t happen either. And you certainly wouldn’t want it to be Jurcina, and I would expect that you would want the 250 lb d man handling the front of the net and wing man. Not the 160lb speedster.
Using Grabner to shadow Gaborik isn’t an awful idea throughout the game, but off a faceoff in front of the net it’s not a great idea because how much speed is he going to reach gliding two feet?
It’s like having the quick point guard guard the small forward in the half-court pick and roll. Probably a better option to use strength as opposed to speed in this scenario.
It’s also possible that the reason Tortorella picked that play in the first place is because he didn’t want the Isles speedy wings challenging the point men and creating an odd man rush the other way.
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by Keith Quinn on Dec 23, 2011 11:51 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
He was pretty quiet in the first half last year when they were struggling. I’m sure he’s getting a good chunk of abuse
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Grabner slacking on Twitter
Must be because Haley and Gillies haven’t been here.
by Dorfer on Dec 23, 2011 9:52 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
This is awesome. I'm being lectured on Twitter
Apparently focusing on the poor mistakes that cost the Islanders the game is avoiding the fact the Islanders lacked “passion” and “effort.”
iMykeK @LHHockey Mistakes??? How about “lack of passion and effort sinks #isles again, stay in basement”.
LHHockey @imykek Not sure how to detect nor measure those traits. But definitely saw game-breaking mistakes.
MykeK: @LHHockey If u can’t recognize lack of passion and effort, trying 2 do it in a few tweets won’t work. Go ahead & write your feel good story
Yeah, this is a feel good recap. Reading comprehension for the Twitter generation!
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by Dominik on Dec 22, 2011 10:51 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
That guy
is the opposite of a Bandwagon fan, he only comes out when the teams bad to bitch about them. Going through his twitter stream it’s nothing but bitching about the Isles, but only during losses. Somehow when they win the team only gets 3 twitter mentions, but when they lose it’s 15 and time to yell at other fans.
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by Mark D on Dec 22, 2011 11:01 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
I love the whole concept
Of lecturing someone via Twitter about something they wrote (without having bothered to read it), and then saying that the concept is too much for Twitter to handle.
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by Dominik on Dec 22, 2011 11:06 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
It's so Twitter-ific
I’M ANGRY ABOUT SOMETHING BUT INCAPABLE OF ELABORATING SO I WILL RANT IN SHORT FORM. PITY THEE WHO DOES NOT UNDERSTAND.
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by Dominik on Dec 22, 2011 11:07 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
I think word is in Islander Fan Circles
That we’re the happy go lucky optimists because we don’t have threads dedicated to bashing Snow, Wang and DP.
Also because we don’t find a way to work in bashing Snow/Wang/DP for every single loss.
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by Mark D on Dec 22, 2011 11:17 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Haha, I hope so
I’ll never apologize for trying to have fun with this diversion rather than spending every day whining about how miserable I am.
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by Dominik on Dec 22, 2011 11:19 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
wait... what?
So you have humor, a sense of proportion, and you do things because you enjoy them?
I mean, WTF. You’ll never win the Internet that way!
We may be in the box, but you get the penalty.
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by mikb on Dec 23, 2011 10:45 AM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Brooding is not whining
Believe me, I live in Eastern Central Europe.
It is Diduck.
by Paumanok on Dec 23, 2011 11:26 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Shouldn't it be doom and gloom at least?
I have a North/Central European outlook based on half of my heritage, but my half mediterranean heritage makes me not care about it in the least.
I've always found
That my Italian/Albanian heritage led me to the inescapable conclusion that we’re all screwed and there’s nothing I can do about. While my German/Croatian half was about ready to take names and kick ass… it’s very confusing.
by IDCWhoYouLike on Dec 23, 2011 11:32 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
You have a divide by error
I keep it simple German\Italian. My wife always tells me I’m Germanic by nature, Latin by nuture.
Nah
I’m just screwed, I never know if I want to just cry in my glass of wine or blow up the offender
by IDCWhoYouLike on Dec 23, 2011 12:40 PM EST up reply actions
My Czech brooding half
resigns itself to the pointlessness of it all, and just asks that my German half not mess with the brewery as it sends the tanks in.
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No doubt
As it holds to the tenets of Reinheitsgebot.
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That is the stereotype and sometimes the reality
But whining is more a Western specialty. Here it’s more stoic resignation. I probably tend more to the former and I’m not always convinced of the latter. But I wouldn’t take these stereotypes too seriously when it comes to individual tendencies or family history, of course.
It is Diduck.
by Paumanok on Dec 23, 2011 11:34 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
This is awesome
And also, Diduck.
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I can only speak for myself, but that's why I come here.
I don’t know what the opposite of “misery loves company” is, but that’s how I roll. You gotta keep on livin, man. L I V I N.
by Les Beaver on Dec 22, 2011 11:24 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Hey man, are you cool, man
Like cool like how?
"We owe him a lot more than he owes us at this point. He's been stellar all year. He still gave us a chance to win this one, and we've got to find a way."
—C Josh Bailey, on G Al Montoya after a 5-3 loss Tuesday in Montreal.
by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Dec 22, 2011 11:47 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I think word is in Islander Fan Circles
That we’re the happy go lucky optimists because we don’t have threads dedicated to bashing Snow, Wang and DP.
Also because we don’t find a way to work in bashing Snow/Wang/DP for every single loss.
And its the very reason so many of us read and post here- we are beyond tired of that repetitive whiny crap.
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by TheMetalChick on Dec 22, 2011 11:51 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Amen
Really, sports a release to me, not another reason to be miserable.
"We owe him a lot more than he owes us at this point. He's been stellar all year. He still gave us a chance to win this one, and we've got to find a way."
—C Josh Bailey, on G Al Montoya after a 5-3 loss Tuesday in Montreal.
by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Dec 23, 2011 12:07 AM EST up reply actions 4 recs
I am rec'ing every single one of these comments
There’s such a difference between “orange-and-blue glasses” and honestly enjoying life. Sometimes I think some fans are in it just to have the satisfaction of being right when the worst happens.
We may be in the box, but you get the penalty.
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Not me, my life is wonderful and happy all of the time. Great wife and kids, love my job!
I watch the Islanders to bring balance to my life so I can have a little bit of rain on a sunny day. Watching the Islanders helps me to build character in a world otherwise devoid of challenges.
by Hockey1919 on Dec 23, 2011 11:26 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
PS
I do really have a great wife and kids (not sarcasm font) and my job allows me to post here whenever I’m too stressed.
by Hockey1919 on Dec 23, 2011 11:27 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
golden
Enjoy, man.
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ALso, I think the LHH crew as a whole is more analytical than the SnowWangDP bashers.
Also a group that can hold an intelligible conversation.
Well, sometimes.
But other times: Boobs!
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That guy
is the opposite of a Bandwagon fan
Scapewagon fan?
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by TheMetalChick on Dec 23, 2011 12:00 AM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Rec'd!
I had to dig this one out of my archives for this.
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by JPinVA on Dec 23, 2011 9:32 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I think the word is "Darksider"
As in always looking at the dark side of things…Jets fans are very familiar with the breed – after every Jets loss you will read comment after comment about “same old jets”, “sanchez s—-ks”, etc., etc….it’s tiresome.
I root for my team to win – if you don’t even like rooting for the team, if you hate the team itself, why bother following them?
Well, on the plus side, he's probably following Charlie Sheen and has already completely forgotten about it.
And really, if he wants to read something negative about the Islanders, is it really that f’ing hard to find? Google “Islanders” and click a random link. Viola – something negative, everyone’s happy.
by Les Beaver on Dec 22, 2011 11:04 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Rangers brought it tonight
Islanders dont play a perfect game against them they will be in trouble and that is what happened(to put in simply). I will be more pissed if they lose to Toronto tomorrow. Still some time to save xmas, lol
I hope Nilsson is ready. A couple surgical Kessel strikes could ruin Christmas.
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Pretty sure Cappy's already pulled Nilson, so Kessel doesn't need to be THAT surgical.
by Les Beaver on Dec 22, 2011 11:07 PM EST up reply actions 5 recs
This comment already had a rec as soon as it appeared on my screen.
That’s good work.
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#grabsissofast
He rec’s shit BEFORE the internet even knows it exists.
by Les Beaver on Dec 22, 2011 11:11 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Okay, here is an awful diagram, so bear with me here...It looks like just about nobody on the ice is paying attention
and there are only a few guys on the bench even aware of what’s going on.
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Oh Keith
The preview button is your friend.
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I did preview
I know it’s big, but otherwise you can’t see it…sorry. I told you to bear with me!
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by Keith Quinn on Dec 22, 2011 11:08 PM EST up reply actions
nevah
Typical Isles, can't even post large complex diagrams to LHH. FIER QUINN!one!
We may be in the box, but you get the penalty.
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Do you want to just add it to the body of the post?
(I can’t see it now, either. There’s a spot where I added the Nielsen quote, if you want to add it htere.)
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Up to you
I can see it…I don’t know why…maybe because I have my setup on “wide”?
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by Keith Quinn on Dec 22, 2011 11:12 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, I say add it to the body of the post, too
I still can’t see the image in comments here. Just your text. (I can see the two photos of Hamonic at the top.)
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For some reason, I can't
although SBN is being a little wonky right now. I can give it a shot tomorrow, but all the “Copy and paste from paint” tricks aren’t working. If you want, I can email it to you guys as a paint file so you can see it. I’ll just send it, don’t feel compelled to look at it, it’s shoddy. I can’t use this touchpad too well with paint.
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by Keith Quinn on Dec 22, 2011 11:41 PM EST up reply actions
I reserve the right to be proven wrong
But I wouldn’t be surprised if Nabokov took it upon himself to head to the bench, or mistook a signal from the bench in switching the D to think he was getting pulled.
Only problem being that Cappy loves to pull goalies at odd times, so it’s easier to blame Cappy right now
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He did point to the bench as they broke out of the zone
I couldn’t see if it was reciprocated.
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by Keith Quinn on Dec 22, 2011 11:08 PM EST up reply actions
I only hope *someone* told him to come
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i would love to know
how many times teams score when they pull the goalie as opposed to giving up the empty netter
For us, it's like o fer 8
and I asked Hornick what the all time EN Goals against is and if the Isles are threatening…hes checking.
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by Keith Quinn on Dec 22, 2011 11:13 PM EST up reply actions
has to be we have really mailed it in when pulling the goalie this year
its like the goalie pushes the net towards center ice on his way to the bench
That's a fitting image.
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reminds me of a funny, true story
In the early days of the Mets, Richie Ashburn played center field for them. He wound up having problems calling off his shortstop on short fly balls (I think it must have been Elio Chacon), so he went off and learned how to call for it in Spanish – yo la tengo.
Next fly ball into no-man’s land, he dutifully calls out ¡yo la tengo! – and is promptly crashed into by his second baseman.
We may be in the box, but you get the penalty.
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by mikb on Dec 23, 2011 10:59 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I remember that story
Whitey mentioned it a lot doing the Phillies games. It was his left fielder, Frank Thomas. ’Always makes me laugh.
hahaha thanks
I wasn’t around to see it firsthand, though I remember Ashburn’s telling it; I remembered it wrong.
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It's not often at all, but it does increase your odds of a goal vs. coming back w/out the goalie pulled
That much is certain.
The problem is you need your players to know what the plan of attack is. The Islanders appear to do it like it’s just any old substitution.
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I don’t know, unless there’s a PP, I never liked pulling my goalie until I got under a minute, and even then I’d wait till we got either a faceoff in the offensive zone or were established.
Of course it was funny the first time I tried to pull my goalie. His head was in the clouds, and I was screaming at him for 15 seconds straight and he didn’t even notice me. After the game I gave him a gentle reminder that he needs to pay attention at the end of the game.
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by Mark D on Dec 22, 2011 11:20 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I think studies show the optimal time is about 90 seconds
Although I’d be fine with 60 seconds or “when my team is playing like it might actually help.”
It’s risky, but especially when a team is doing well to kill the game off (like the Rangers were already doing), it does beat the alternative. Unless goal difference is a fear.
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Remember in pre-season when JT and The Stache were on the same line?
That shit made me tear up when I saw that.
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—C Josh Bailey, on G Al Montoya after a 5-3 loss Tuesday in Montreal.
by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Dec 22, 2011 11:49 PM EST up reply actions
When you pull the goaltender too early that extra guy just winds up playing defense anyway.
Pull the goaltender when you can use the man advantage to generate offense. I do not like pulling the goaltender early, I mean we all agree goaltenders are nuts, but they do serve a somewhat useful purpose for at least 59 minutes of the game.
wasn't he pulled at about the 105 second mark last night....it was better than usual, but
I’m one of the few that doesn’t mind so much pulling a goalie with 2:40 left when down by 2.
Im just not a fan.
If theres under a minute left and youre in the opponents zone, maybe- thats it though.
Let Us Go, Islanders! (Ever notice how strange that sounds without the contraction?)
by TheMetalChick on Dec 22, 2011 11:57 PM EST up reply actions
Columbus post-game show has us losing 5-1
?
"We owe him a lot more than he owes us at this point. He's been stellar all year. He still gave us a chance to win this one, and we've got to find a way."
—C Josh Bailey, on G Al Montoya after a 5-3 loss Tuesday in Montreal.
by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Dec 22, 2011 11:08 PM EST reply actions
Operation Portzline?
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by Dominik on Dec 22, 2011 11:09 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
They just randomly tallied all of the New York goals for the Rangers.
Six New York goals in total and Biron didn’t get shutout so they deduced it to be 5-1 Rangers.
Maybe they thought Moulson scored on his own net
We may be in the box, but you get the penalty.
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Reminds me of the old days
When you had to look up scores in newspapers in foreign lands. You’d get scores like New York 3 – Boston 2 or New York 4 – New York 4 (I said the old days!)
It is Diduck.
I just question
What goes on in the coaches’ room….
Pulling the goalie situation, I don’t have the stats in front of me but I guarantee you we are 0 for Some large number
Why, again in the coaches’ room, are they not thinking… “Hmm… Maybe we should only pull the goalie on offensive zone face offs or obvious pull the goalie situations… Instead of when the puck is still in the neutral zone or with 3 minutes+ left”
I get trying to get the advantage but what frustrates me so much is that they aren’t learning from their mistakes and this has been such a glaring issue all year long…
It’s just so so puzzling
by BaltimoreIslander on Dec 22, 2011 11:10 PM EST via mobile reply actions
I wonder if it's a symptom of overreliance on the top two lines
They lean on those guys a ton, all the more so throughout the whole time they’re trying come back. Like Nielsen said, they were gassed … I just wonder if they need to mix up the personnel by the end to get more energy/board guys on there who will have the gas to go bonkers in the corners and make sure possession is retained.
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I like this point
Matt Martin would seriously mess people up in the corners with the goalie pulled just to retain possession, same with Wallace and even Reasoner.
I never played hockey so I’m not sure how easy or hard this is, but what about putting our 3rd/4th line out there telling them, just get a shot on, make sure their goalie freezes the puck, then we pull on the face off and have one of the top 2 lines out there…
Bottom line, something different needs to be done bc this is not working. But it’s not even that it’s not working, it’s that it’s failing so demoralizingly that it’s killing any positive feelings we could’ve had about the game
by BaltimoreIslander on Dec 22, 2011 11:20 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I would try mixing in one or two 3rd/4th liners with the skill guys
Really, such a big part of hockey is that the optimal performance is in 35-45 second shifts as essentially bursts of energy. After that (or in anticipation of that, if you know you’ll be out longer), you end up taking short cuts or doing other things to conserve energy for the high-leverage situations such as an open shot on net.
So even if the will is there, these guys who have been running out there every other shift might be running on fumes and conserving (even subsconsciously) for the scoring opp that might not come. And the physical/board battles are the most draining of all. So I’d love to have one or two guys out there who are chomping at the bit and more accustomed to expending energy on winning board battles.
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It does make sense though with about 3 minutes left down by one to put out a defensive line.
Tell them to just not let anything in and give your top two lines a 30 second breather. THat type of in-game coaching is what made Bowman a great caoch. He knew how to utilize his bench as well as anybody. Look for an offfensive zoen faceoff where you know those energy guys can keep the hemmed in for a good 20 seconds.
If you still have your timeout that gives your top line and extra minute (it alwasy takes longer than 30). Then figure out the one guy that has had it going on that night and use him. That last minute is about using your best players, but also using your best player on that night as well.
that's a tricky situation
You have to do it sometime, of course, but if your top line gets the goal with three minutes left you never have to pull the goalie, and that is the best possible outcome. That’s why a team will often get the faceoff, call time-out to rest the top guys, pull the goalie, and go for broke in the last sixty seconds. If you have some big shooters playing more defensive roles normally, you can use one of them as the extra.
What they’re doing now is clearly the exact opposite of useful, so they have to change something. Maybe you’re right and Bailey/Martin/Ullstrom (when he returns) is a good line to send over the boards with 3:00 to go, to gain the zone and keep it for a while… or even send them out with JT as the extra when the goalie is pulled. I like Martin in the Moulson-crash role, Ullstrom has a reasonable shot, and Bailey gives them a second playmaker with JT (who can then find a hole in the defense and snipe a Bailey pass).
We may be in the box, but you get the penalty.
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It all comes down to how "gassed" they are.
If you have already been riding them hard for most of the period, you need to find a time to give them a breather for that last gasp push. Half way through the period is too soon since you still have chance of drawing a penalty.
Plus
I don’t recall when/if cappy used his time out, but could he please save it for the 55:00 mark!!!
I know he used it early in the Winnipeg game
I don’t see anywhere in the play by play that Cappy took a timeout. Torts took his with about 18 minutes to go in the third.
We may be in the box, but you get the penalty.
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I like when he used it against the Jets
I hate when coaches save it like this precious thing and then use it when the game is out of hand. Against the Peg if I recall correctly he used it to give Nino and his line a rest after an icing so that they could get out of the period with a lead. Peg still scored, which is exectuion not coaching..
I was in the midst of writing this when work intervened and mikb made my point.
I'm so sick of the Winter Classic song already
How can the NHL take something cool and find so many ways to make me hate it?
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by Dominik on Dec 22, 2011 11:10 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
What, like themselves?
"We owe him a lot more than he owes us at this point. He's been stellar all year. He still gave us a chance to win this one, and we've got to find a way."
—C Josh Bailey, on G Al Montoya after a 5-3 loss Tuesday in Montreal.
by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Dec 22, 2011 11:11 PM EST up reply actions
I don’t know but it is the same with the whole “marketing ploy” classic for me.
Can one be an atheist toward a hockey team? That means I have NO faith anymore.
by Turgeon1992 on Dec 22, 2011 11:25 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
not just you
The song sucks out loud, and it’s sung pretty badly.
Frankly I’d rather hear this.
We may be in the box, but you get the penalty.
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by mikb on Dec 23, 2011 11:10 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Crap!
I’m trying to get things done this afternoon and here you send me off on another spiral of MST3K clips!
(That one is priceless, by the way.)
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hahahahaha sorry man
I use quotes from Pod People a lot in my everyday life.
Huzzah!
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You put Eaton back with Mottau and immediately they're back to being the worst possession players on the team again.
SIGH. Dylan Reese, we miss you.
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Veteran leadership?
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by Keith Quinn on Dec 23, 2011 12:24 AM EST up reply actions
They remind me of when you see the kids get out of their cars
At the stop light and change seats. That’s what it’s like when they are back there together. A complete mess.
"We owe him a lot more than he owes us at this point. He's been stellar all year. He still gave us a chance to win this one, and we've got to find a way."
—C Josh Bailey, on G Al Montoya after a 5-3 loss Tuesday in Montreal.
by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Dec 23, 2011 12:27 AM EST up reply actions
Islanders 2011 Epitaph
Dylan Reese, we miss you.
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"The best players will play"
Or maybe not.
"We owe him a lot more than he owes us at this point. He's been stellar all year. He still gave us a chance to win this one, and we've got to find a way."
—C Josh Bailey, on G Al Montoya after a 5-3 loss Tuesday in Montreal.
by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Dec 23, 2011 8:45 AM EST up reply actions
Mottau would be a perfectly good
role model for Bridgeport’s young D
he really does remind me of Wotton – slow as molasses, with some game sense
there’s no way a serious team would play him regularly
I know some of us have been talking about how we hate the Pens more than the Rags,
Not a chance. Nothing is worse than losing to these assholes.
Nothing.
"We owe him a lot more than he owes us at this point. He's been stellar all year. He still gave us a chance to win this one, and we've got to find a way."
—C Josh Bailey, on G Al Montoya after a 5-3 loss Tuesday in Montreal.
by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Dec 23, 2011 12:25 AM EST reply actions
agreed
The Pens thing is more of a topical thing. The Rangers are forever. I hate the fucking Rangers.
We may be in the box, but you get the penalty.
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a few observations about the game
How was there not a 4 minute penalty when Okposo was high sticked when he was clearly bleeding?? How does Capuano think Mottau is better than Reese? And what a punk Bickel is jumping Wallace as he is taking off his helmet, and saw the Montoya hit again, Kane clearly lifts his hands and hits him in the head, orginization should be complaining a bit more about there not being a suspension when there is clearly a concussion problem in the league
the nhl has ignored monty's running and concussion, much like they did with hammer's game misconduct.
Anybody shocked?
"We owe him a lot more than he owes us at this point. He's been stellar all year. He still gave us a chance to win this one, and we've got to find a way."
—C Josh Bailey, on G Al Montoya after a 5-3 loss Tuesday in Montreal.
by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Dec 23, 2011 12:50 AM EST up reply actions
Am I the only one who thinks it's BS the NHL has ignored our goalie's concussion
When they seem so hell bent on stopping it? Why doesn’t our management complain about it like the Sabres did?
Why does our team continue to get disrespected while nobody seems to care? Should we even watch and cheer?
I can’t be the only one who thinks this is crap. Well, me and vegz.
"We owe him a lot more than he owes us at this point. He's been stellar all year. He still gave us a chance to win this one, and we've got to find a way."
—C Josh Bailey, on G Al Montoya after a 5-3 loss Tuesday in Montreal.
by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Dec 23, 2011 8:37 AM EST up reply actions
You mean Hammer's game misconduct
That they struck from the records?
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that they never mentioned?
They struck it, never admitted the mistake and the Islanders had to tell the hockey world, not them.
NBA style.
"We owe him a lot more than he owes us at this point. He's been stellar all year. He still gave us a chance to win this one, and we've got to find a way."
—C Josh Bailey, on G Al Montoya after a 5-3 loss Tuesday in Montreal.
by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Dec 23, 2011 1:25 PM EST up reply actions
They posted it on nhl.com
That’s about the best they’ll do with any officials errors.
(Not saying it’s right, but that’s the most they’ll do with any team. Same, I believe, the other night when they said the Canucks goal shouldn’t have been allowed when Howard was run.)
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Maybe they could start making videos when refs screw up too
"We owe him a lot more than he owes us at this point. He's been stellar all year. He still gave us a chance to win this one, and we've got to find a way."
—C Josh Bailey, on G Al Montoya after a 5-3 loss Tuesday in Montreal.
by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Dec 23, 2011 2:00 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
So you wnat to have to re-watch every minute, of every game, every night?
Or just the worst offenses.
by Hockey1919 on Dec 23, 2011 2:06 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
agreed vegz
Just to review:
guy cut with his OWN stick on clean check = FIVE AND A GAME
guy cut by a slash to the mouth = TWO MINUTES
Hockey play!
We may be in the box, but you get the penalty.
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You missed Michelletti explaination - Okposo did it to himself.
Mich was totally serious too. Okposo intentionally lifted Richards stick into his own face in order to draw the penalty.
I disagree, it's suspension worthy unless the league chances its policy towards such hits.
He moves his hands up, but there was a lot of overall contact at that point.
I know this is such a minor thing
But was anyone else tickedoff at what Bickel did when he tried to fight Wallace? Like seriously i just feel like thats just such a cowardly thing to do, like what kind of an ass does that? If he were a real player instead of a career minor leaguer id be furious, but alas hes a nobody. But if that was dubinsky or avery, id demand blood
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Didn't see game, but what happened?
You should've seen her face. It was the exact same look my father gave me when I told him I wanted to be a ventriloquist.
Dom describes it in the recap but in short
Scrum in Isles zone, Wallace and Bickel pair up and basically are just hugging. Then they let go, say a few words and then Wallace calmly goes to take his helmet off, and Bickel just ambushes him. He literally waits until hes going to get his helmet off to try and punch him. Not only is it a sucker punch but its a sucker punch while your opponent is trying to do you a favor lol just seriously bush league
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by Zhora on Dec 23, 2011 12:53 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
I honestly forgot how much I disliked the rangers
After not living in the NY area for the past 8 years, it took me literally 1 night on the LIRR to reignite my hatred for the rangers. I think the isles need a game to thug it up and beat the shit out of their opponent (maple leafs tomorrow?). That way people won’t take liberties on our players anymore.
You should've seen her face. It was the exact same look my father gave me when I told him I wanted to be a ventriloquist.
Yeah it really just bugged me
A friend of mine said tonight “the rangers always have that at least one token asshole player” and its true lol and some of their fans can be terrible.
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Rosen just laughed it off to "Enthusiasm"
What a joke! That is one of the most classless hack-assed pieces of Sh*t actions I have ever seen from a hockey player. When I see something like that I realize that a guy like Bickel doesn’t deserve the right to fight at the NHL level.
by Hockey1919 on Dec 23, 2011 9:29 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
That was awful
Isn’t there a code any more?
by BobSulli on Dec 23, 2011 1:15 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
On the Rangers feed
It was pretty funny to hear Joe and Rosen try to talk themselves into that NOT being what happened, until replay after replay made them say, well, yeah, it kinda looked like maybe Wallace was unstrapping his chin strap.
I agree, opponent’s doing you a favor and you go dirty? Really? This is why I’ve lost faith in fighting as a policing activity. The league is filled with too many tools. At this point — and I never thought I’d get here — I almost trust the capacity of the Shanaban more than I do some of these fools to keep each other in line.
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by Dominik on Dec 23, 2011 2:19 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Yeah the level of dick-ishness in this league is revolting
Just about every team has at least one or two players that just have absolutely no respect. And over at Blueshirt Banter they described the sequence as “Wallace didnt want to fight Bickel”. Yup, totally how that went down lmao Im sure we dont notice it when we do it, but it always gets me when you notice other teams fans seeing their team through rose colored glasses
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by Zhora on Dec 23, 2011 2:41 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
yup
You always take off your helmet when you don’t want to fight someone.
We may be in the box, but you get the penalty.
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CAN SOMEONE EXPLAIN
wtf has happened to Frans Nielsen? Lost 8 of 12 faceoffs tonight, was -3 tonight and has generally looked nothing like the Selke candidate everyone thought he was last year. I know he has won 2 games for us in shoot-outs, but man has he looked like crap a lot of the time this year. What gives??
This is NOT a rebuilding year!!!
by upstateislesfan on Dec 23, 2011 1:12 AM EST reply actions
That explains it totally.
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by Dominik on Dec 23, 2011 2:20 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Weird how the guy that was most underrated like 6 months ago is now overrated.
He has looked a bit off though. It seems like whenever he and JT get the puck, they get rushed and often lose possession or do something they probably didn’t want to do. Not good.
He's never been very good at faceoffs
Overall he’s been alright — still their second-best center at least — but I think he’s had a lot of off nights this year.
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Kinda busy keeping order in the universe maybe?
Remember that awful alien invasion last month that resulted in a complete military assault followed by a virus that wiped out much of the human race? No? Oh, well then thank Frans Nielsen.
by Les Beaver on Dec 23, 2011 7:13 AM EST up reply actions 3 recs
hahahahaha
I was wondering what that police box was doing in the Isles’ locker room. Turns out it belongs to Frans.
We may be in the box, but you get the penalty.
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well, it isn't Grabner's
He’s so fast he’s already his own TARDIS.
We may be in the box, but you get the penalty.
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But...
but the Doctor has always been English… well, ok Gallifreyan but he’s always had an English accent… It’s getting so that anyone can go out and grow their own Big Blue Police Box…
by IDCWhoYouLike on Dec 23, 2011 11:38 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I'm thinking
somebody asked these guys to consistently contribute more offense (like last year) and they are not quite built for that. Nielsen has looked bad lately mostly when he is stickhandling trying to get himself through traffic to make a play. Defensively, I think he looks about the same, but he has been a glaring turnover machine lately when he is stickhandling…maybe he shouldn’t be doing that so much.
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Frans
you have to wonder if he doesn’t belong on the 2nd line after all
he is contributing to the PP & PK, why not give him less 5 on 5 minutes?
MOVE
Bailey up between Grabner and Okposo. Better offensive upside and Frans plays third line minutes with Ullstrom and Niedereitter. Better fit all around IMHO
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by upstateislesfan on Dec 23, 2011 8:13 PM EST up reply actions
Finding the right roles
somebody asked these guys to consistently contribute more offense
Like when they asked Hunter to hit less so he could score more and we got neither. He wound up just hitting the net less; so much coaching gets lost in translation.
i'm sick of.....
AHL coaches, one scoring line and JT not finding near enough net. More than anything, that the Rags out talent and WAY outcoach us. No excuse for a passionless, predictable loss at MSG.
by randyboyd on Dec 23, 2011 1:13 AM EST via mobile reply actions
Which players were passion deficient?
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at one point
About 7-8 mins into the 3rd, before the goal, they showed a shot of the bench. They looked like they already lost. No talking, no fire, no life. They played a pretty flat game in their arch enemy’s lair. They did not look like a team fighting to get into a playoff spot. Maybe they miss the fire of knopka. Maybe sending down a kid who was playing well and playing vets who arent took a toll. They just didnt bring it last night, and inn their position, against that team, unacceptable.
by randyboyd on Dec 23, 2011 7:48 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
probably not
because for them to have done that would have required (absent some fluke-type luck that this team doesn’t have) them to have raised the energy and engagement level. This is a marginally talented bunch who can not afford to take much if any time during a game not playing with full speed, energy and effort. Usually against the Rags they come up with at least that effort.
They looked frustrated to me
The Rangers are good at going into lockdown with the lead, and last night with the late lead they were even able to push play into the Isles zone for sustained time rather than just clog the neutral zone.
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by Dominik on Dec 23, 2011 4:25 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Ha!
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by TheMetalChick on Dec 23, 2011 4:25 PM EST up reply actions
I agree with being out-coached
And when a team is out-coached, they can appear to be playing lazy even if they’re not. The difference between how the Rangers surround the puck carrier as he attempts to enter the zone and the way the Isles back off the puck carrier and give them easy entry was startling last night.
They weren't passionless at all!
They were down 1 before empty nst….they were in the game the whole way, they were into it, but they lose to a better team…at least slightly better team last night.
Yeah, let's put on Isles jerseys and cheer for the Isles to lose, so we can have a CHANCE at a dude who has yet to prove anything.
That’s fun.
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by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Dec 23, 2011 8:04 AM EST up reply actions
One bright spot to the game
Streit (I’ve noticed that I have a hard time spelling his name, I think it’s that whole i before e English language bs) seemed to have a pretty good game. He didn’t make too many glaring mistakes besides not playing tight to the check on Dubinsky’s goal. I noticed later in the game he corrected that mistake.
I believe that blame for this game goes to the singing on the song that shall not be named in the game thread. There’s some bad mojo from that song… seriously bad mojo.
Yeah, aside from Streit clearly playing pass on the Duby goal, he had a good game.
What do you mean they won 4 cups in a row? Is that possible?
How about because everyone else was covered in the zone?
It’s his job to take that man and cut him off from making a shot. Letting a pass occur there is fine, letting a shot go there isn’t. Streit should have played the man and not the pass, it wasn’t an odd man rush. The goal isn’t 100% on nabby, streit gets his share of the blame too.
What do you mean they won 4 cups in a row? Is that possible?
What the dog saw...
1. If Nabokov was DP there would be 500 “PLEASE RETIRE” comments on this thread… maybe even some “WHACK DP” sub-threads. EN, is not only his initials, but his way of saying, ‘i wanted a chance to win a cup before i retired, FU Garth Snow!". The way it appears to me the coach says, “come out inside 1:20”, and the goalie decides when it’s safe. I’m not putting that on the coach. The rest of the game, he just made one fewer saves than he had to. can’t hang him for that, but it is his MO. In 9 EN starts the team has given up 6 EN goals.
2. Streit just isn’t what he used to be. He’s a year older and coming off injury. He may be their third best defenseman, even in his current state, but that is probably a 5-6 defenseman with PP responsibilities on a playoff team. He may be the best example of a guy who would have been better off if Gordon was still around.
3. I don’t know about a lack of “passion”, but when they started playing more physical hockey they had four lines contributing… and they outplayed the Rangers. They have to do that for 60 minutes.
4. Nino just isn’t ready. Just like I didn’t expect to see Mottau when Eaton returned, I really don’t expect to see Nino when Ullstrom gets back. But that decision has to be made tonight. I’m not a big fan of p/m player ratings, but Nino has ONE + game in his 18 game NHL career. Ullstrom has 5 in a 14 game career. Even Wallace is a better NHL option right now. I think Nino will be a horse, but not yet… let’s not turn him into Todd Bertuzzi (in regards to their Islander careers).
5. Dom Rocks… it’s hard to keep your objectivity in a pile of crap. But he does. It’s hard to grow when you don’t let the sun shine in once in a while. I think we all have a pretty good idea where the problems are on this team, we all understand that they can’t be fixed as soon as we’d all like… but it’s sometimes it’s just nice to know that we can see some more good than we saw last year… and it’s good with long term significance.
Things I want to see…
1. Garth changes his mind and sends Nino back to Portland. We’ll make due with Ullstrom, Wallace, Rhett and Dibo. Maybe even a late appearance by casey. The AHL games will really help him next year as well.
2. I’m guessing Snow is showcasing Mottau as a capable NHL defenseman… If that’s not why he is still on this team, then he needs to go to Bridgeport in exchange for Reese and Wishart. You have to know if he they can play at the NHL level. If you’ve already made that decision on Wishart you can just count him as another lost asset on 7/1.
3. start looking for #6. Goalie health is obviously and issue. Goalie indifference is not to be taken lightly. I think I’d start putting myself in a position to live the second half of the season without EN.
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by JPinVA on Dec 23, 2011 10:07 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
Things I want to see…
1. Garth changes his mind and sends Nino back to Portland. We’ll make due with Ullstrom, Wallace, Rhett and Dibo. Maybe even a late appearance by casey. The AHL games will really help him next year as well.
I dont think you can see it… one, I think that he is now at the game threshhold. And two, the Isles would be below the cap floor.
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by TheMetalChick on Dec 23, 2011 10:10 AM EST up reply actions
9 games, right.
He played his 9th last night. If he plays #10 tonight the decision will have been made. If he is sent down, then you have to bring up deHaan until they make a MULE DEAL at the deadline. They are @$51M, the floor is ~$49. Nino is making $2.75, they would bring up deHaan $1.5 and Rhett $800K.
One question should be, why is Nino making so much more than Strome and Calvin.
I don’t think it WILL be done, I just said it SHOULD be done. But it CAN be done.
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I don't know that it can
Even if the threshold is 9 games, there’s the problem of the Christmas roster freeze. I don’t know what the scratch situation is with regard to injury and IR, but I don’t think the Isles had healthy scratches last night. If that’s the case, they can’t scratch Nino and by default they are going to have to keep him with the big club.
by IDCWhoYouLike on Dec 23, 2011 10:29 AM EST up reply actions
Good point...
If they had to keep him up because they didn’t call up Rhett with BPT off until next week… that’s a GM asleep at the wheel. With Rolston and Pandolfo on IR… their only hope would be an Ullstrom return tonight.
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yes but shouldn't the amounts now be pro-rated?
…and they can make him a healthy scratch until after the break, so the amount paid is higher and the amount to reach the floor is lower. They can sign McCable to an obscene contract, waive/trade Eaton/Mottau/Jurcina and others and probably be at the cap floor.
Makes me wonder: Last week i read that Carolina offered a pick to someone just to take Kaberle off their hands. Why didn’t Snow bite? he’d be a decent #6-7 defenseman, and in a year when he’s closer to being done with his contract he’d be tradable, and we get a free #2.
true on the pro-rating
I think that the Isles would still make the floor if Nino were returned to Juniors; however, they would lose a lot of their flexibility if they have plans for moves after the holidays. They’re not quite at the “buhbye Rolston” point yet.
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Garth's own fault for not making this an option 1 way or another.
What do you mean they won 4 cups in a row? Is that possible?
I think we could get away with it.
Shutdown Pandolfo for the rest of the season and we might be fine with the extra cap from another person. Or even, shut down Rolston for the rest of the season with a concussion too and get us an extra player cap hit.
What do you mean they won 4 cups in a row? Is that possible?
I had low expectations of Nabby coming into the season
but I didn’t think he had a horrible game. The first goal was in the top corner. Nabby could’ve come out and cut the angle more aggressively, but I think he was surprised Dubinsky was going to walk past 3 Isles. Hats off to Dubinsky on that one. Not sure coming out and cutting the angle would’ve stopped that one.
The 3rd goal he appeared to be screened by KO. I blame Okposo more than Nabby on that one. Fluky bounce aside, as a forward you either have to go down and block the shooting lane or get out of the way. I was very disappointed in the FnGO line last night.
And I agree...
Props to Dom for not going all IPB on this site. It’s a long road to doing the rebuild the right way. He get’s it.
by 4PeatSake on Dec 23, 2011 10:20 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I don't understand the situation with Reese or Wishart
Last season, he was “inconsistent” to be charitable, this season he has outplayed Mottau, Eaton, Staois and Jurcina when in the lineup. He is no longer developing, he is what he is so keeping him in the AHL does nothing for this team.
The same holds true with Wishart, he is either part of the plan going forward, or he isn’t. Bring him up, see what he can do and then if you lose him to waivers BFD. If he can’t outplay 2 of the defenders currently in this line-up he’s no great loss. I am usually very vocal about letting players mature in the minors for as long as it takes and would rather see players get ice time in the AHL than watch at the NHL level. Reese and Wishart should be getting NHL ice time at this point.
If it all comes down to the cap floor then releasing Comeau was an even dumber decision. You could have waived Mottau and kept Comeau on the books.
cut Mottau
the same way we cut Comeau
addition by subtraction – pretend he doesn’t exist – its how I quite smoking years ago – pretend there is no such thing as cigarettes
same would work with Mottau
What are cigarettes?
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I'd agree...
except for their defensive health situation. They have at least 4 defensemen who can go down at any minute… naming them would just make the other 2 subject to reverse mojo… so I won’t.
They can try to waive Mottau into bridgeport, but it would be tough to get him out if they needed him in an emergency. Any of our spiteful rivals would pick up his $400K tag just to flip us the bird. Keeping him on their NHL roster is another situation… but you never know who needs what.
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wouldn't mind Mottau
being out 7th guy, playing sparingly
you have to think there’s a financial decision involved in this unhappily – players pick up on this sort of thing – if they are playing X all the time, sending down better players then management doesn’t have our backs for this year
I still wonder if it's more the whole "veteran seniority" thing rather than finances
At these miniscule Mottau levels I just wonder if that’s really a factor. They just seem predisposed to hang on to their vets and you have to go full Witt or else request a trade to be dumped mid-season.
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The biggest problem there...
is you can’t do both. Reese would replace Mottau and Wishart, Eaton. Because they have limited room in the press box (3 seats, one occupied by DP’s Ghost) it’s hard to navigate the 300lb CAPORILLA in the room.
If they want to keep Nino, they’ll need to use him on occasion, but sit him when Rolston returns (if he does). I’d rather have a -17 Nino playing than a +5 Rolston, but it’s not going to happen.
They’ll need one seat for a 7th defenseman, especially on the road as there will be plenty of back to backs in the second half.
so you only have one seat… will it be for eaton, mottau… we’ll find out when the music stops.
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The Streit Health Question
This has worried me since the day Moulson’s Evil Twin arrived he went down, but it’s possible we have a diminished Streit in the first year post-surgery … but a rebounded Streit in 2012 or even 2012-13.
It wasn’t a knee, so this is less likely to be the case, but major surgery can be the beginning of the decline (along with age) or it can be a long intermission before he’s fully “right” again. Along with the many scenarios for him which include the age factor, I’m wondering if he still has another level left in him that he will recapture. Especially defensively and playing the body. I know some are like “trade him now, before he gets even worse next year!” but I wouldn’t bet against next year him looking most attractive of all.
Like a true Islanders fan, I say this not so much out of hope but out of fear.
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I think it all depends on lots of stuff if we should move streit:
1-Do we think Streit will be good when we need him for the playoffs?
2-Do we think someone can fill his role soon? (DeHaan/Donovan soon and even A-mac/Hamonic could fill the PP hole “fairly well”).
3-Could we get a valuable future piece for streit? (2nd rounder would be worth it imo, a shutdown d-man prospect would be good too)
4-Does this year mean anything? There comes a point when a team has to decide if they are contenders or pretenders. If there is little to no playoff hope, turn your soon to be UFA assets into “cash”. Nielsen enter the conversation here, streit does, and maybe even PAP depending on the team’s view of him(just throwing it out there, not that I agree on PAP).
People here “and everywhere” contemplate this rebuild is taking so long due to lack of elite talent. We had 1 #1 pick recently in this rebuild:Tavares, Hawks got Kane/Toews, Pens got Malkin/Crosby/Staal, Oilers Hall/RNH. If we want to build more elite talent here and players to put us over the top, it’s better to sell the “older” assets for something and make us a “younger” team to better value our ahl prospects and get us a better draft pick, not that I want us to or like losing, but if we aren’t gonna be close to the playoffs, I’d rather see the youngings lose battling while we draft “a Nail Yakupov” next year instead of a Josh Bailey/Wheeler/Upshall(although I do like Dumba) and a couple less mid-2nd/3rd round draft picks.
What do you mean they won 4 cups in a row? Is that possible?
I really don't get the Nabby hate
First goal was an unimpeded, very talented player skating un f’n touched (OK, I repeated myself there) through 3 zones and firing a full head of steam wrister. Sorry, but that’s not a bad goal. Number two was a cross slot pass scored by an NHL superstar from the f’n front of the net. Again, not a “soft” goal. As for the 3rd, 40 foot blast with traffic in front. again, no one checks him. Funny what happens when a dman actually hits the net with a blast. Why are we killing Nabby today?
by randyboyd on Dec 23, 2011 11:03 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
Im definitely not.
Perhaps some fans are just used to blaming any non-Montoya goaltender for any loss?
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by TheMetalChick on Dec 23, 2011 11:05 AM EST up reply actions
Actually I'd bet the Nabby bashers are the ones bashing everybody
But blame Montoya’s Maniacs.
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—C Josh Bailey, on G Al Montoya after a 5-3 loss Tuesday in Montreal.
by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Dec 23, 2011 2:02 PM EST up reply actions
I personally think its all ridiculous.
As far as Im concerned, Nabokov has not played poorly enough to justify “bashers” and Montoya has not been good enough to justify “maniacs”.
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by TheMetalChick on Dec 23, 2011 3:20 PM EST up reply actions
Like the headline says, mistakes were the thing
Missed assignment on the face-off goal, probably confusion on the Dubinsky goal, lots of traffic on the third goal. I thought they played a much more talented team evenly for the most part, which usually means it comes down to one or two things that make the difference.
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Yup. :(
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by TheMetalChick on Dec 23, 2011 11:24 AM EST up reply actions
No Hate with me...
I’m just saying that I get a sense of him just not being fully engaged. There are many things surrounding his present record; injuries, terrible defense, and poor offensive production.I’m only suggesting that lack of focus on his part is piece of that pie. And it’s not all the time, it’s just enough to keep the team in games, and us saying, “you know, he played pretty well… if he had only made one more save”
/putting tnifoil hat back on… it’s DRAFTY in here!
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I'm not sure if he's not engaged
Or he’s just an odder than most guy in a club of pretty odd guys. At least with DP, God love him, you know he wants to win. The flesh just is no longer able.
He was so happy when the Isles won with him in relief the other night.
He looks as engaged as ywe are gonna see. Some guys simply arent the jumping around with their arms in the air types.
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by TheMetalChick on Dec 23, 2011 12:04 PM EST up reply actions
It has nothing to do with cartwheels
It has to do with results. He’s been keeping them close… just not on top. And this isn’t a Montoya v EN thing… but…
Montoya 6-5-3, 2.45, .920
Nabokov 2-6-0 2.69, .910
Poulin 0-1-0
Nilsson 0-1-0
The difference for Nabby be 1 save in 3 games. and he’s 5-3-0. And believe me, I’d take a stoic victory over DP’s cartwheels in defeat any day. I am only hoping that he makes those three or four extra saves in the next 3 or 4 games. They havea very slim margin, and it doesn’t look like anything else is goign to improve before the end of January.
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I'm not sure what's more indifferent.
The Isles defense or my attitude towards the Islanders. I expected the Rangers to win, know they are better than the Isles, and as an Islander fan this somehow does not make me angry.
Hopefully...
it’s a matter of trajectory. for the first time in forever we have a “mediocre” team with a VERY BRIGHT future. We’ve had better teams in the past 15 years (though you could argue against that point), but they were all on the downslide. This is a team being managed towards the future, and things are starting to click. Just not as fast as some of us would like.
But it is one of the better periods in 40 years, not one of the worst.
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by JPinVA on Dec 23, 2011 11:53 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Hopefully there will be three
of the better periods tonight!
It is Diduck.
by Paumanok on Dec 23, 2011 11:59 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Heretic! Non-believer! Burned at the stake.
You mean you don’t live and die by the results of adults in short pants hitting a rubber disk around on the ice with a stick?
by Hockey1919 on Dec 23, 2011 1:25 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Where's today's game thread
WAnna talk about kicking Toronto’s ass!
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Sorry! It's up now
Late convoluted night for me juggling errands and a family member’s flight that kept getting delayed.
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The more I watch the highlights
The more I think the Rangers are going to be one of the teams to beat in the East this season. It pains me saying it. But Biron had a spectacular game, and the bounces just didn’t go our way. Nabby played well too, he doesn’t deserve the blame.
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by IDCWhoYouLike on Dec 23, 2011 12:44 PM EST reply actions 7 recs
Well, this deserves some greening
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And peace and goodwill to you, my friend.
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by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Dec 23, 2011 1:38 PM EST up reply actions
I had the shirt with this written on it
Kept it for a long time. It was the only positive thing to come out of the Milstein’s ownership era.
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by PGI on Dec 23, 2011 1:41 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I still have the shirt
It’s on my list of stuff to wear when the Isles are playing, I love this shirt and I don’t care if it’s the most holiest of holey shirts, I’m keeping it.
by IDCWhoYouLike on Dec 23, 2011 4:32 PM EST up reply actions
The better/worse game
Same drill again. This is where you all come in. I am going to post up EXPECTED grades for each defenseman. (Basically how I expected each to perform coming into this game.) Please reply if you feel that any defenseman played better or worse than expected for this particular game, and to what extent.
For instance: "Hamonic a little worse. Streit a lot better." Feel free to comment on as many of them as you like. Type as much or as little as you want. This will help me to come up with grades for each game that I don’t see as clearly as I would the rest of the season.
(PLEASE DO NOT POST YOUR OWN GRADES, because if someone replies to your message, I may not know whether their comment is in response to your grades or the grades below.)
Streit: B-
Jurcina: C+
Hamonic: B
AMac: B-
Mottau: C
Eaton: C+
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by North Dakota Red Eagle on Dec 23, 2011 2:19 PM EST reply actions
I'll comment
Thought Hamonic had a terrific 1st period and decent 2nd-3rd. Otherwise agree with you. Am waiting for Jurcina to get a couple of goals from the point….if only some Fs would create traffic in front of the goal…
I'd like to know
how many games was Mottau NOT our worst defenseman
that he deserves to keep getting ice time
2-3 games max?
I actually thought Jurcina was a little higher. Although his own instinct on the faceoff goal may have failed him. Hamonic too, I might nudge upward. I would say the same for AMac but he may have made mistakes (rumbling in game thread) that I missed.
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AMac had one crazy giveaway- but nothing came of it, fortunately.
But other than that, the rest of the game he played well.
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by TheMetalChick on Dec 23, 2011 4:37 PM EST up reply actions
still thinking
we should split Amac & Hamonic so one of the two or Streit is always on the ice
Streit-Jurcina
Andymac-Eaton
Mottau-Hamonic
maybe Hamonic can hide Mottau best
bring back Reese
I understand your logic there.
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by TheMetalChick on Dec 23, 2011 5:58 PM EST up reply actions
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May 24, 1980: Tonelli to Nystrom. At long last, the steady build of the New York Islanders from expansion doormat to surprise semifinalist to annual contender reaches the promised land: Buoyed by a late season trade for Butch Goring that gave the team the depth up the middle GM Bill Torrey had been seeking, the Islanders knock off the Philadelphia Flyers in six games.
The victory justified the faith in coach Al Arbour who guided them from their second season to their first Stanley Cup seven seasons later. The Islanders would not be the first expansion team to win the Stanley Cup, but they would be the only one capable of a dynasty.
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May 21, 1981: This time it was much easier. After falling to "only" 91 points in the 1979-80 season, the Islanders returned to their division title tradition, piling up 110 points -- a whole 13 points over second-place Philadelphia.
Between the quarterfinals (where they beat the upstart Oilers in six games) and the finals, the Islanders reeled off eight consecutive wins -- with a four-game sweep of archrival Rangers in between. As they defeated the Minnesota North Stars in five games for their second Cup, their goal difference in the final was a combined +10.
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May 16, 1982: Another year, another landslide title. The Islanders won the Patrick Division by a whopping 26 points over the second-place Rangers, and were seven points clear of their nearest competition for the President's Trophy, the still-not-quite-ripe Edmonton Oilers.
A first-round scare against the Pittsburgh Penguins turned in the Isles' favor thanks to John Tonelli's heroics, and a true dynasty was on its way: Past the Rangers in six games, then an eight-game sweep of the Quebec Nordiques and Vancouver Canucks to run away with the Stanley Cup.
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May 17, 1983: Not so fast, whipper-snappers. The Edmonton Oilers' steadily rising challenge for league supremacy took them all the way to the finals for the first time, where the New York Islanders summarily dispatched them in a four-game sweep. For the Islanders, the Dynasty was secured. For the Oilers, it was a powerful lesson in where talent ends and the demands of playoff hockey begin.
Four years, four Cups, 16 consecutive playoff series wins (a record that would grow to 19 until the rematch with the Oilers the following year). Mike Bossy scored 60 goals yet again, and Wayne Gretzky became acquainted with Billy Smith's crease.
