Montoya, Ullstrom Concussions; Islanders Need Strong Finish to 2011
Al Montoya and David Ullstrom both have concussions. [UPDATE: The Isles have recalled Micheal Haley and Anders Nilsson in their place.]
That makes this home-heavy finish to 2011 all the more challenging -- and no less critical to the direction of this season.
Eleven of the last 13 New York Islanders games have been one-goal games (including Montreal, where an empty-netter made it officially a two-goal result). Five of those went to overtime, three of them all the way to a shootout.
We've said it a lot, and coach Jack Capuano has said it too: This team's margin for error is thin. Even last night, when Capuano said there were "no passengers" -- i.e., all 20 men engaged -- the team grabbed two points by the narrowest of margins.
The Islanders stand today eight points out of eighth place in the East. They have between one and three games in hand on all five teams between them and that standing, but none of that will be evened out by the New Year: All of them, including the Islanders, have five games between now and New Year's Day 2012.
What the Islanders do have is no travel: Three games at home with two games at Madison Square Garden mixed in. The aforementioned thin margin means a dominant winning streak is unlikely. But if the Isles want to jump back into the bubble discussion -- if they want to make up for games they "gave away" in the first quarter -- they need to do the unlikely and steal games back as they head toward the turn of the calendar.
The schedule resumes with the toughest part first: back-to-backs heading into Christmas, at the Garden Thursday and home to the Maple Leafs Friday.
Injury concerns include the "out indefinitely" concussions diagnosed for Montoya and Ullstrom (both were cleared to fly home last night, but...). Thankfully, Evgeni Nabokov looked good last night in relief; hopefully he's feeling as well today. Brian Rolston has been placed on IR for his concussion, suffered in the 3-2 home loss to the Stars.
There is room to wiggle with the roster and Bridgeport's game schedule goes dark this week, but it likewise picks up after Christmas with four games before New Year's. And Bridgeport is also banged up, with Justin DiBenedetto and Jeremy Colliton recently missing time with injuries.
For the Islanders, the post-Christmas schedule brings another visit to the Garden the day after Christmas, followed by an Alberta Hosting Exhibit with the Flames visiting Thursday night and the Oilers visiting for a matinee on New Year's Eve.
Each a very winnable game ... for both teams involved.
The Islanders dug this hole with a first quarter we graded harshly, one that has them in the bottom five of the league by most opinion and power ranking measures. Have they done better since that moment? They're 5-3-2 since (including two shootout wins, which has a way of obscuring things) and on an overall 6-3-2 run.
But they need to more than keep it up. After this run of holiday home cooking, they start 2012 on the road, from Carolina to the West. Then they return home to face the Detroit Red Wings and Philadelphia Flyers in consecutive games.
If they want to rejoin the playoff bubble conversation by the half-way mark of the season, they must regain ground now. Go easy on the turkey and stuffing. Steer clear of Aunt Matilda's jello mold.
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IIHF WJC Note: Simultaneous to this schedule, the U20 World Junior Championship will be going on. We'll be keeping tabs on that, too -- hello, Denmark -- especially as it pertains to Islanders 2011 draft picks Ryan Strome (Canada) and Johan Sundstrom (Sweden).
If your attendance around these parts lightens up as you travel or get entangled with devote yourself to family duties, we'll keep the light on so you can check in for updates on your way to pick up milk. But thanks for visiting, reading and contributing to Lighthouse Hockey in 2011. This wild journey isn't half as fun without you making it such.
We'll see you today, tomorrow, next week or on the other side. Have a great finish to 2011. (That wish is directed at you, the reader, but you know, if you tithe it to the Islanders we won't complain. They could use it.)
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Aunt Matilda's Jello Molds
Blek. What is that shit and who thought Jello with bits in it would be good? I’ve been thinking about them ’cause my wife and son are in Ohio right now and that is ground zero for Jello molding. The mid-west, of gray skies and fatties. Her family eats Jello with bits in it. Always avoid the jello mold, like a burger cooked on the beaches of Brazil those things are destined to ruin your intestine.
That’s not what I came on here to write about.
I wanted to talk about Ullstrom and the possible call-up scenario.
First off, Ullstrom looked bad, BAD, when that awkward injury went down; his eyes all googly and mouth agape as he slid off the boards. To me his injury looks worse than Al Montoya’s, but then again I’m no doctor. So, the Isles loose a good call-up, one who skated with size and tenacity and a little touch, who replaces him?
Haley? Cizikas? Someone else more deserving?
I’d like to see Cizikas for a spell if Ullstrom is out.
I think martin deserves a shot at the 3rd line
He’s proving to me he is much more than a fighter/bruiser. His body in front of the net could help bailey and nino with more opportunities.
bottom 6
Martin-Bailey-Niederreiter = a very nice 3rd line
4th line then is x-Reasoner-Wallace
with all the injuries at Bridgeport, one wonders if Marcinko makes sense – Haley has been playing left wing, so he may well be the answer
Haley-Reasoner-Wallace or Marcinko-Reasoner-Wallace, I’d go for the latter myself
Turns out Haley is the answer for X
Haley and Nilsson recalled.
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What is going on?
Two concussions in one game?!?! This is just ridiculous, and something is still not quite right in the NHL.
Anyhow, let’s just hope that Al recovers soon and well. Any ideas about backing up Nabokov? At least it’s not far from Bridgeport to Manhattan. But will the wheel of goalies never end?
It is Diduck.
Poulin seems to be the guess for a callup.
The wheel goes round and round and round…
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Montoya was hit in the head with a foreard. Ullstrom was hit in the head with an elbow. One two minute minor. WTF
by 72 was a good year! on Dec 21, 2011 3:43 PM EST reply actions
That damn foreard again!!
Players have to learn to keep those things down:)
by Isle in Topanga on Dec 21, 2011 3:49 PM EST up reply actions
Ullstrom's was his own fault.
He threw his back into the hit. The Jet player didn’t do anything egregious. Kane should get 1 game for running Montoya—Tootoo got 1 for running Miller.
Can one be an atheist toward a hockey team? That means I have NO faith anymore.
Driving a Toyota
in the crease should get a lot more than 1 game…..seriously I don’t think Kane deserves a suspension under the current rules. Nonetheless, as glad to see KO drop the gloves immediately.
He dropped them when Nielsen got run over in the 1st period
But I agree with you entirely. Although it wasn’t much of a fight since they both fell down immediately. I even think they got 2 minutes each, which I would be embarrassed about if it were me.
Thanks...my bad
am feeling woozy myself. Agree- pretty lame fight, but good to see Kyle step in.
Unless league wants to make a statement against such hits, I don't see the
Kane hit as worthy of a suspension. It wasn’t a bad hit at all, but it could be a hit that depicts the change of times in the NHL and how they want to deal with hits that can cause concussions.
They should have jumped Kane
Give it to him right back. Didnt Okposo stand there and do nothing? WTF?
Ullstrom's was NOT a penalty.
He attempted to check Ladd, who hit him as he spun out of the way. Totally clean.
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by garik16 on Dec 21, 2011 6:41 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
He was certainly hit in the head with Ladds elbow, it just wasnt (nor should it have been) a penalty.
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by TheMetalChick on Dec 21, 2011 8:01 PM EST up reply actions
Micheal Haley
concussion vaccine
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by Keith Quinn on Dec 21, 2011 4:19 PM EST reply actions 3 recs
Amen, bring him.
"We owe him a lot more than he owes us at this point. He's been stellar all year. He still gave us a chance to win this one, and we've got to find a way."
—C Josh Bailey, on G Al Montoya after a 5-3 loss Tuesday in Montreal.
by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Dec 21, 2011 5:10 PM EST up reply actions
4th line, does Martin get bumped up to 3rd
Any task BIG or small, Do it well or not at all
by Rickfansince76 on Dec 21, 2011 10:30 PM EST up reply actions
You would think
I guess they could put Wallace back there since he played with Bailey also, but I figure you’d want to try to shelter Nino with the best options available.
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by Keith Quinn on Dec 21, 2011 11:21 PM EST up reply actions
Given the rash of concussions
Isles better mind El Nino’s fontanelles.
It really sucks that we lost both of these guys.
Monty has been solid and Ullstrom was looking like a guy that would stick in the NHL. We do have Nabby to replace Monty but whos gonna fill in for Ullstrom?
I'm available
Of course, I’m pushing 60 and have high blood pressure.
So is Mottau, I think
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Monty did not look very solid last night IMO.
He gave up two very soft DP’esque goals to the Jets. The first was just horrendous, right through the five hole! The more and more he plays the more and more his flaws are showing up being taken advantage of. Of the three goalies the Isles have Monty has been the best but he wasn’t that much better than Nabby while DP, as is his way, showed flashes of being the player he once was but he also got the starts against the toughest teams who tore him a new one.
But the real issue as we’ve all stated on numerous occasions is the Defense. If they could come up with some solid replacements for the Three Stooges of hockey: Mute-O, Beaten, and Stale-os we’d be in decent shape. I thought de Haan looked solid in his one game and I am have been quite impressed with Reese, he seems to have made quite an improvement over last year. I would very much like to see Wishart get some time and maybe even Klemenyev. It’s too bad Katic had to get hurt, he would’ve been quite useful this year. Whatever happened to Dustin Kohn? Even he would be an improve over the aforementioned Stooges! I’d even be open to bringing Jack Hillen back.
The New York Islanders....they make opposing goalies look gooooood.
I think the 1st goal was more excusable since it was deflected.
The second goal… nope. But any goalie can let in 2 goals and still win a game. Maybe he would have been lights out the rest of the game (like Nabokov was)? We’ll never know.
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by TheMetalChick on Dec 21, 2011 8:02 PM EST up reply actions
If our goalies let up 2 goals per game we cant ask for much more from them....
I’m very grateful to have Nabby right now…I wonder if Poulin will be called up for back up duties…
DP never looked like his old self...Not for a moment.
Monty has been very good.
With the goaltender carousel the Islanders have had, we tend to mistake average for greatness.
Montoya has played well, but he isn’t stealing game for us. Nabokov has been average and there is no future there either. DiPi has been erratic. I am wiling to settle for Montoya’s consistency, but he’s developing injured goaltender syndrome.
by Hockey1919 on Dec 22, 2011 12:05 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Agree!
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by TheMetalChick on Dec 22, 2011 3:16 PM EST up reply actions
You are mistaken, sir...Read my post...I said MONTY has been "very good"...I did not say he has reached a level of "greatness"...
Monty is no Queen but hes no DP either…Btw, his numbers as an islander have been above avg…Nabby has been avg and Monty has been above avg…But to say hes reached “greatness” would be ridiculous…If he takes us to the playoffs and performs above avg and then we can talk like that…Until then we have a solid NHL goalie in MONTY and a proven NHL veteran in NABBY and a washed up, way below avg, franchise goalie, in DP..
Montys Isles Career #'s
SV %. – 920
GAA – 2.38
Is that avg for an NHL goalie? Im pretty sure hes above avg but correct me if Im wrong…
If the Isles score 3 goals in a game chances are good that they win with Monty in nets…
There are plenty of people who DO think he has been "great".
H19 didnt point at you and say you are doing this, he was talking more general… and I believe he is right.
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by TheMetalChick on Dec 22, 2011 9:42 PM EST up reply actions
That's just how Hockey1919 rolls
Hockey1919 got something to say, then Hockey1919 gonna say it, and it will be said by Hockey1919.
We may be in the box, but you get the penalty.
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by mikb on Dec 23, 2011 9:50 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
The first one was a tip, the second one he should have had.
He looked average last night IMO.
A dilemma
Can the afford to dress Gillies and Haley every. Can they afford not to dress them? Something has to be done to lighten some of these hits on these guys or somebody could get killed.
Sorry about that
Should say – Can the Isles afford to dress Gillies and Haley every night? Can they afford not to dress them? Sorry about that Chief.
Haley
who would argue if he was the callup
Cizikas would also be an upgrade over Reasoner – does Reasoner play LW?
I think they could.
It’s not like the 4th line scores much if at all. Haley and Gillies with Reasoner in the middle would be a great intimidation line. Move Wallace up to the third line with Bailey and Martin and I think we’d be on to something…
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NIlsson over Poulin
am sure they wanted to give Poulin a break
Nilsson is away from home anyway, and Nabby will get all the ice time
Back-to-Backs
I can see Nilsson playing against the Leafs if Montoya’s not back. No offense to Nilsson, but I hope to hell Montoya’s back by then.
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I can see Nabby getting both games against the Rangers, Nilsson getting the Leafs game.
Depending on how well or how quickly Montoya recovers from the concussion, I don’t think he’ll be playing again until the Isles host the Alberta teams. Since Montoya and Ullstrom flew back to New York, I don’t think it was a severe concussion on either account, but I could easily see them both out of action for the next week.
Ha, I was thinking the same thing
“Nilsson is far from home anyway, might as well give him some love and good meals.”
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"We owe him a lot more than he owes us at this point. He's been stellar all year. He still gave us a chance to win this one, and we've got to find a way."
—C Josh Bailey, on G Al Montoya after a 5-3 loss Tuesday in Montreal.
by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Dec 21, 2011 5:42 PM EST up reply actions
I wonder if there will be any takers during this trip up
This season has been extremely tame in the “grit” department. I don’t remember which game it was, maybe Haleys first call up, when he challenged someone to fight and threw his gloves off and the other guy skated away and Haley kinda looked like a dope. I haven’t seen one good fight that wasn’t in bridgeport this year. Hopefully that will change tomorrow night
by Strong Island Thuggery on Dec 21, 2011 9:14 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
he had a fight in the black jereseys
He will fight a Rag. I bet within the first ten minutes.
"We owe him a lot more than he owes us at this point. He's been stellar all year. He still gave us a chance to win this one, and we've got to find a way."
—C Josh Bailey, on G Al Montoya after a 5-3 loss Tuesday in Montreal.
by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Dec 21, 2011 9:46 PM EST up reply actions
Rinaldo on the Flyers pussed out when Haley challenged him.
We don’t see many fights though watching the isles this season, so that was a memorable moment. lol
What do you mean they won 4 cups in a row? Is that possible?
Not an MD.........
but logic would dictate that the team Doctors possibly may be over calling injuries to the head as concussions because of the Crosby concussion. This may be an example of defensive medicine. If so its a positive for two reasons. – 1. extra caution can’t hurt and 2. maybe a lot of these injuries aren’t concussions and therefore the prognosis for a more rapid and more complete recovery is likely in many of these cases. Why are there so many of these injuries occuring this year? It can’t just be the equipment and bigger faster skaters because these issues didn’t happen in just the last couple of years. Comments?
That or they were under-calling in the past
No Sleep 'til....Belmont?
probably some of both
We may be in the box, but you get the penalty.
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by mikb on Dec 21, 2011 8:44 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Nope. It is a "virus" that is spreading around the NHL.
First Pronger had it, then Letang had it, it seems once the “virus” clears and you cannot play it becomes a concussion-like symptom.
I wish the NHL would just stop jerking around and say that guys are going so fast and so hard there is no way the human brain can take the kind of squishing around it does inside the skull. Tell everyone the game is high risk, guys are going to get hurt and we (the NHL) are powerless to do anything about it because that is what we sell.
by Hockey1919 on Dec 22, 2011 12:09 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
sports in general & athletes
are faster, bigger, more dangerous
what isn’t keeping up is equipment innovation and rules to protect the players
concussions are now an epidemic – Bettman can hide from it all he wants
same is true of downhill skiiing, luge, professional football, etc. – more fast, bigger, more violent = more dangerous
perhaps not an epidemic
but maybe moreso an increased presence in reporting concussions. i would think in the past, it wasn’t reported and it wasn’t really seen as an issue
I'm a mets, jets, islander, and terps fan. Also known as a glutton for perennial punishment.
If your a Team Doctor
Do you want to put your career on the line by maybe letting someone on the ice too early?
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better than allowing stuff like this to happen
Pat LaFontaine shares his brain traumas
http://www.brainline.org/multimedia/video/transcripts/lafontaine_story.pdf
by JasonDW on Dec 21, 2011 7:18 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
And it's better that trainer's do that. Not only can it mess up a player's career rushing him back, but you could mess up his life. Look at Savard after the dirty Cooke hit.
What do you mean they won 4 cups in a row? Is that possible?
A question about Nielsen on the PP...
Does anyone think that is working out OK? I think he looks lost on the PP and it affecting his all around game negatively. He is a great 3rd line center and PK’er. I have not been impressed with him trying to be a scoring center on the second line.
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You're welcome
…and such.
We may be in the box, but you get the penalty.
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Oh man, can't wait to see this on 24/7
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just saw a VERSUS video of Lavy and Ott getting into shoving incident thru common tunnel after 1st period
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Watching the game on VS
Looks like Ott was looking to start something
As the teams are heading to the dressing room Ott sees Laviolette standing there and stands right next to him instead of following the team down the tunnel and starts chirping him, Lavy shoves his way past him and heads down the tunnel
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Gutless puke
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Huh
So out of character for Ott.
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As is the case with every incident. NHL will review clash between Ott and Laviolette. C.Campbell will determine if Lavy was in the wrong.
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Looks like Flyers/Stars will be way better for 24/7 than that godawful Rangers/Stars game.
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Wait
Campbell is still employed? What the hell?
by afrosupreme on Dec 21, 2011 10:00 PM EST up reply actions
haha yea they replayed it after the commercial
I was laughing my as off
by Strong Island Thuggery on Dec 21, 2011 9:17 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
isn't hockey great?
Colin, what’s to look at? It’s 2 dudes arguing in hockey. It happens.
"We owe him a lot more than he owes us at this point. He's been stellar all year. He still gave us a chance to win this one, and we've got to find a way."
—C Josh Bailey, on G Al Montoya after a 5-3 loss Tuesday in Montreal.
by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Dec 21, 2011 9:45 PM EST up reply actions
Ott/Laviolette video
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this video doesn't do justice
He clearly jumps out of his place in line and into Laviolettes path. It happens like two seconds before this video starts
by Strong Island Thuggery on Dec 21, 2011 9:25 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
INteresting though
the guy from Defending Big D is says this
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Why on EARTH was laviolette in THAT tunnel? That’s not where visitors leave. They walk across ice to corner tunnel. Always have. Always will
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According to the VS crew
Theres a little shortcut to the visiting dressing room in that tunnel so thats maybe what he was looking for
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im not surprised because the isles are softer than soft
but it is so pathetic that they were all standing there with a thumb up their ass when kane ran montoya. you just cant do nothing, period. mabey it will take john tavaeras laying on the ice with a blank stare before they do something. .
good to see haley up but he cant do it himself. and he should be here now every damn game. when ullstrom comes back haley should replace the useless reasoner. and gillies should be here and dressed for specific games. this team better wake up

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by Mark D on Dec 21, 2011 10:58 PM EST up reply actions 7 recs
Positive or negative
He’s right. Some of us knew (and stated ) if they kept letting teams run Montoya this would happen. And the anti-fighters told us we were crazy and here we are.
And I’m surely not a negative poster. You don’t have to be negative to see we are softer than bread pudding. The response to Montoya’s injury was horrible. The one bad thing about last night’s game. Well that and KO’s “enforcing.”
"We owe him a lot more than he owes us at this point. He's been stellar all year. He still gave us a chance to win this one, and we've got to find a way."
—C Josh Bailey, on G Al Montoya after a 5-3 loss Tuesday in Montreal.
by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Dec 22, 2011 1:17 AM EST up reply actions
I dont think the disagreement is whether hes right or wrong
Just that like Webby/Mark D humorously posted, hes sounding like a broken record with the negative comments
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Obviously I don’t mind if you disagree with us or have a different view of the situation. But his running thing seems to be to come into a thread, leave a comment like this, then pretty much not return till the next thread in which he leaves the same comment.
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by Mark D on Dec 22, 2011 9:39 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
maybe he's a HF boards poster?
that’s the crying place to go lately.
"We owe him a lot more than he owes us at this point. He's been stellar all year. He still gave us a chance to win this one, and we've got to find a way."
—C Josh Bailey, on G Al Montoya after a 5-3 loss Tuesday in Montreal.
by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Dec 22, 2011 10:16 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Pro fighters vs. anti fighters
Given that KO was wrestled to the ground fairly quickly when he stood up for Frans – and that his on-ice play has been excellent lately – I’m almost positive that when he got out of the box, he was told not to do anything else stupid. So the debate is, does his jumping another player (and negating the power play) do anything positive? Does it un-concuss Montoya?
I’ve never been a “ban all fighting” advocate myself; teams need to stand up for each other. Would have been nice to see somebody, anybody, at least try to look menacing there. And still… there’s that nagging voice at the back of my head here, saying that if that sort of deterrant were effective, would people be running Montoya at all? The Isles took a great deal of exception to guys getting run last year, and the carryover effect has obviously been slim-to-none. When Winnick ran Montoya in Colorado, Montoya’s response only drew a ticky-tac penalty in OT and helped cost the Isles the game. There may not be a magic formula that guarantees that teams don’t crash your crease… some players are just reckless in their disregard, no matter what, and beatings don’t change their style.
We may be in the box, but you get the penalty.
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Just out of curiousity (and you may not know)
did “ticky tack” evolve out of an announcer’s mispronunciation of “tit-for-tat”? I feel like this wasn’t a phrase even a few years ago and then was used a lot to describe things like make up calls…then evolved to describe really weak/shitty calls.
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by Keith Quinn on Dec 22, 2011 12:10 PM EST up reply actions
had to look it up for you
This is from: http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/ticky-tacky
Definition of TICKY-TACKY
: sleazy or shoddy material used especially in the construction of look-alike tract houses; also : something built of ticky-tacky
Variants of TICKY-TACKY
ticky–tacky also ticky–tack
I was actually surprised there was an entry
by IDCWhoYouLike on Dec 22, 2011 12:32 PM EST up reply actions
Addition
Origin of TICKY-TACKY
reduplication of tacky
First Known Use: 1962
by IDCWhoYouLike on Dec 22, 2011 12:35 PM EST up reply actions
Right.

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by Dominik on Dec 22, 2011 3:09 AM EST up reply actions 3 recs
The hit count stats show
that we are one of the softer teams in the league after you get past Martin and Hamonic.
But in the last game, right after Kane ran Montoya, the zebras spirited him off to the box really quick. There was no time for anyone to get him, because if you jump a player being led off by the ref, you’re going to look like a douche AND get some extra penalty/suspension time.
Every time Martin and Kane were on the ice later in the game, Martin made a point of physically exchanging holiday greetings with Kane. At one point, Martin took out Kane and Burmistov on the same hit. You can bet that at their next engagement, Kane will be feeling the love at the hands of Martin, Wallace (if still here) and Hamonic. What will be interesting to see is if the rest of the team tries to share the love, too. That’s where the ‘bring soft’ part comes in. I don’t think we’ll see it.
I wasn’t too thrilled with Cappy’s comments afterwards, but I understand he needs to be ‘politically correct’ in commenting about officiating.
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that we are one of the softer teams in the league after you get past Martin and Hamonic.
Not sure this holds water. It’s possible, but a really quick look shows that for Boston the median hits for players over 20 games is 34. For the Isles it’s 23 (and this is greatly affected by most of Boston’s players having a lot more games played). Either way, not a big difference.
Again, it may be true, but first glance tells me it’s not.
For the Haley enthusiasts (From Staple)
The team faces the Rangers at Madison Square Garden Thursday, the Leafs at home Friday and then back to the Garden on Monday, all during the holiday roster freeze, meaning Nilsson and Haley are on the roster until Tuesday.
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But even I have to wonder, after the Nino hit, why Haley wasn’t on the roster before this. Bound to happen…as bad as losing Big Al is, losing Ullstrom hurts as well. Depth isn’t depth if everyone keeps getting hurt…
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This is suppose to be a free country and for certain free speech on this blog. We are all guilty of harping on a subject – [I’ll admit to an anti RHS rant] last season. and of course I was right. But he was fired before I could get banned.
Altosax,
the Ministry of Information would like a word…
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by Keith Quinn on Dec 22, 2011 12:12 PM EST up reply actions
The Isles will never have a great goalie
because no one cares when the other team takes liberties with them!! No one gets mad when Montoya, or Nabby, or Nilsson, or Koskinen, or even DP gets knocked around. No one sends a message back when one of them gets clipped or run. No other team has been through 6 goalies, 2 years in a row!! (I don’t even know if that’s true, but I’d be hella surprised if it wasn’t) No one wants to stand up for their guys, and it’s gonna ruin them.
The Isles finally have 2-3 very promising/good goalies, 1-2 of them being great. We all see it, the young/inexperienced and fragile Isles just don’t respond well in any aspect when they have crummy goalies, or even a goalie who doesn’t often stand on his head. They pretty much need their goalies to steal games half the time, but it’s just sad and upsetting to see them allow it game after game. It’s completely devastating for a goalie to be injured while amidst gaining steam, let alone being concussed or getting injured by being run at by a fully padded 200+ lb. player. Honestly, I’m sure that if you could see the stat for goalie hits or runs on goalies, the Isles will be at the top; this year AND probably last . Everyone knows the Isles won’t do/say anything about it!
by Wes Scarborough on Dec 22, 2011 10:23 AM EST reply actions
sorry for rant/long-ass post. Not sorry for negativity.
by Wes Scarborough on Dec 22, 2011 10:40 AM EST up reply actions
You're right
But I don’ t think there is anything the players can do. Yes, they can go ahead and beat up on whoever runs their guy in the crease, but is that really a deterrent? Not only that but the Isles aren’t the only team with this problem. There are a lot of teams in the NHL that are seeing goalies getting run, and a lot of careers have been ruined because of it. I honestly don’t know if Miller is going to be the same ever again after the hit by Lucic. DiPietro got run constantly when he was first in the league, that led to his bad knees/hip/back/everything. Hell even Brodeur’s gotten run a few times, and you can say what you want about the Devils but they don’t really have a “soft” team. I’m sure that Lundqvist, Thomas, Luongo, et al have absorbed either incidental contact that has led to an injury or absorbed contact like Montoya and Miller in the past couple of weeks. This isn’t happening to just the Islanders and it isn’t happening because the Isles are a soft team.
I’ve always been one for you go out there and expect the refs to do their job and protect your teammates as much as the rules will allow. If they don’t do that then you have to do it yourself. I loved what Martin did to Fistric after the Nino hit. I even loved what Okposo did after the Nielsen hit even though that hit at least was clean. But when you have a cornerstone of your team (and the goalie is the cornerstone of any team in that if the goalie is weak the whole team is weak, no matter how good the defense or the offense is) lying on his back in the crease, with teammates, refs, and the opposition standing all right there is that where you really want to start a fight and risk an even more severe injury? I don’t have a problem with a non response right there at that moment. Would I have liked to see some big hits later on, yes, yes I would. However I also have to take into account that the score was tied in the third period and the Islanders had played well enough to win up to that point. And it was a win that they sorely needed.
Even if the Islanders were to run at Kane a few times, what would it have done? The play was over, there was an intermission before Kane got back on to the ice, and by the time he did it would not have made sense. In fact a few penalties would have gone against the Isles, maybe the Jets score on one of those power plays and we’re all posting on here how stupid the Isles are for taking that penalty at that time no matter the reason for it. If the game hadn’t been so tight I think then you would have seen something, but the way it was, I think the response the Isles had was better. We’ll give you the loser point and we’ll just take that extra point for ourselves boys.
by IDCWhoYouLike on Dec 22, 2011 11:07 AM EST up reply actions
I think yes
Make the other team think twice before they do something like that! I mean…Evander Kane???? Cmon, the kid should be crapping his hockey pants if he does something like he did to Montoya, thinking in the back of his mind that Matty Martin’s fist is going to be in the back of his mind if he actually tries something like that. Sorry, but I think in that situation the score doesn’t matter and sending a message does. Or at least doesn’t matter AS MUCH as sending the msg.
As for Brodeur, he’s embellished MANY …..MANY, manymany hits and clips so in actuality half or less of his incidents were real, really. And anyone who gets in his face or even close to him pays the price, especially back in the days. (back to Stevens)
Putting the fear of consequence in the other teams heads is all that needs to be done to deter a lot of these liberties taken. And it brings about camaraderie as well, I fight for you you fight for me. It’s just not enough.
I do think though, that with the Nino and Nielsen incidents, the Isles are looking to be better in this department with the camaraderie. Of course, we don’t have the tough defensemen past Hammer, which I think is the main problem with this. I do agree that there should have been a better retaliation within the game after that though. Even tho it was funny with KO and all, I really liked that and feel it was an awesome move on his part. But what – do they have to wait until they are starting to play well to stick up for each other? Let everyone get hurt and pushed around because the team is sucking is a good strategy.
by Wes Scarborough on Dec 22, 2011 11:49 AM EST up reply actions
its no guarantee
but I think with players like Anders Lee, Cizikas, Mayfield and others coming up, you will see more team bonding and their added physical abilities to not take shit. Especially Casey as we have seen through his junior career. Add Martin to that group and the team gets more physical. I doubt our top 6 will ever look that tough with that players we currently have, but, if the bottom 6 and the D get more balls in the group then something will be done. Forgot to add Hammer to that group.
For god sakes
does anyone ever watch any other games besides the Isles?
Goalies get run all the time…all the time. This is not an event that is limited to just the Islanders and their lack of grit. The thing here is that there usually isn’t an injury. The Isles goalies are getting run no more or less than they ever have. No harder or softer than usual. What’s happened is that Ryan Miller/Lucic thing brought it to the forefront and now, our goalie got hurt on a random play.
To me, that is the first time that an Islander goalie has taken substantial contact that wasn’t the outcome of a hockey play in quite a while.
Nobody seems to recall Ullstrom ran somebody the other night too. It is what you’re supposed to do to some degree. There is a certain amount of contact expected.
Here is the boxscore of the game Cooke ran DiPietro three times. Notice that Konopka, Gillies and Sim were in the lineup…didn’t seem to prevent it.
Trust me, I’m a huge fan of revenge, but to act like the fighting is anything more than that or that enforcers will stop players from doing what they know wins hockey games is absurd. If anything, we should be complaining that our players don’t do more of it themselves.
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by Keith Quinn on Dec 22, 2011 12:25 PM EST reply actions 6 recs
Thank you
I completely agree with everything you just said, and have been trying to say but could never put brevity to the thoughts.
by IDCWhoYouLike on Dec 22, 2011 12:29 PM EST up reply actions
Windshield or the bug
we should be complaining that our players don’t do more of it themselves.
The difference between the ‘Nucks being perceived as whiners and the Bruins as winners is that the Bruins stuck to the old Shero philosophy that the refs can’t call everything. Which is sadly true and therefore gives the advantage to the aggressor.
No...they don't
Well yes, I agree goalies all around get run. But not as much as the Islanders goalies…sorry, it was only a matter of time before Montoya got a concussion. We were all waiting for it. Well, at least I was.
by Wes Scarborough on Dec 23, 2011 2:00 AM EST up reply actions
Why is it constantly worded as 'Kane ran Montoya'?
There is about 0 simliarity between that play and the Lucic/Miller play. Kane was trying to cut around Jurcina and through the front of the crease to tuck the puck around Montoya but Jurcina closed the gap and Kane ran into Jurcina which redirected him into Montoya. It would be reasonable to argue that he should have known he wasn’t going to make it but it is not reasonable to term it ‘running Montoya’. He was trying to score a goal, not trying to run into the goalie. But choosing those words makes it seem like an egregious liberty that should not be stood for. I think at the time everyone saw it for what it was, which was a hockey play gone wrong. Maybe a bit reckless but not an act of aggression. That’s why there wan’t outrage over it.
I don't consider it a cheap shot and I agree that it should be considered reckless, but
that doesn’t absolve a player of any blame either. Ovechkin was suspended once or twice for being reckless. I personally don’t care about intent. Kane took a route to the net, that was nearly 100% certain to make contact with the netminder which even the referees conceded was illegal since he was penalized on the play. As a defenseman you should not tolerate guys going full bore at your goaltender and that somehow the defenseman is at “fault” for playing defense.
The Lucic play comes into the discussion only because it seem like it was declared ioen season on goaltenders on that particualr play. I find it odd that Tootoo (even with his rep) got 2 games for at least going to the goal as opposed to Lucic who for all intents and purposes just ran the goaltender because he was out in the open. On the other hand, Shanahan may feel the goaltender, when he is in the crease, deserves more protection.
Did you not see
outstretched hands, right to the head?? I mean cmon, he got a concussion. What else is there to say?
by Wes Scarborough on Dec 23, 2011 2:01 AM EST up reply actions

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