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Slow and steady rebuild is paying first dividends


This item ran on the Backhand Shelf blog yesterday while we were busily grousing about Evander "Freight Train" Kane laying tracks through Al Montoya's crease last night: top improvements and declines in the standings from last year to this.

As it turns out, the Islanders are +8 points over their 30-game pace last year; 10-14-6 instead of 6-18-6. This is tied with the Maple Leafs for the fifth-best jump in the NHL so far.

This is good news. Three was no Woevember swoon, no 1-17-3 nightmare, no sacked coach, and thus far the Isles have handled injury setbacks with aplomb. Despite being thin on the blue line, painfully young in many other places, and distressingly old in a few key locations, this is still a more resiliant and skilled team than it was a year ago, and in the stress we feel over lost opportunities for wins in the first third of the year, there is still a lot to be hopeful for. The Isles are four full wins better over their first 30 games this year - real wins, moved out of the middle "nothing to show for it" column and into the "everybody can have two points!" column.

How much more hopeful can we be, moving forward? Lets look at a few scenarios.

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Scenario One: DOOOOOOOOM - otherwise known as Teh Narrative, as best outlined last year by Adam Portzline of the Columbus Dispatch. The Blue Jackets have imploded to such an extent that he has handed off Teh Narrative to ESPN.com, who have been not-so-helpfully snarking the Isles' progress. Case in point - we have hurt goalies and are last in our division for the "umpteenth straight year" according to their most recent poll. Apparently, "umpteen" means "five" since the Isles made the 2007 playoffs, and at the 2008 All-Star break, had a durable, promising starting goalkeeper.

Well, let's say that Burnside turns out to have stumbled into something here. Another disastrous stretch would sink the Isles utterly out of sight, and they could finish worse than last season's 30-39-13 overall record.

Scenario Two: Same ol' same ol' - this is where the Isles just sort of hobble along, suffering their growing pains, and play something like .500-ish hockey the rest of the way. They would finish within a point or two of the same +8 they have now, say at 33-38-11.

From here Garth Snow would face some major questions. Would they make a big push for a big-ticket free agent, or cash in some of their propsect chips for something other than a stopgap veteran? Despite current appearances, Moulsons, Grabners, Montoyas, and Nabokovs don't fall from the heavens regularly. It's a great advantage to have gotten four strong assets for sofa-cushion change (total cost: one sixth-round pick)... it's not going to get the whole job done by itself. So another middling result would put a lot of pressure on the Islanders to accelerate their rebuild somewhat.

Scenario Three: Keeping up the Pace - This is where the Isles match their four-win improvement over the rest of the season... and remember that they were much improved over the rest of last season as well. That would boost them from 24-21-7 to finish last year, to 28-17-7 to finish this one. That is very good hockey, a full-year pace of 99 points; here it would give the Isles a hypothetical record of 38-31-13, good for 89 points. In the past four seasons, that total would be good for anything from 20th to 17th overall in the league; in 2010, it would have given the Isles the seventh playoff seed in the East.

If the Islanders were doing something like this, then the pressure would be even greater on Snow to make a move to get the Isles those extra five points that would move their playoff odds from "distant" to "reasonable."

Scenario Four: The Leap - doe-eyed optimists, of the sort that had the Isles pegged as acontender for a bottom-seed this season (::cough like me cough:::), are probably skipping down to the end and smiling at this thought right now. Everything would have to break well in this unlikely situation: first, the Isles' play after Woevember last season as a baseline; second, the improvement of this season coming on top of that, instead of their current PPG pace; third, their improvement from last year to this continuing at the same pace for the whole year. Four wins in 30 games works to roughly seven wins in 52, so the Isles would gain a total of 22 points over last season's total... they'd finish out 31-14-7 (that's one more win than they had all of last season) to end the year at 41-28-13, which is 95 points and pretty much a guaranteed playoff berth.

Now, making this sort of leap might make Snow LESS likely to make a move, not more, since it would be coming primarily from internal improvement and they could stand pat more plausibly. Further, the pieces the Isles would probably want to move - Rolston and Nabokov - would be going to contenders and the return would probably be futures, not present help. And considering the state of the blue line, this is admittedly a hugely unlikey scenario anyway.

But that's why they play the games. A few of the advangages the current Isles have over last season are already apparent: John Tavares is better, Kyle Okposo looks full-recovered, Matt Moulson and P.A. Parenteau are keeping their pace, Travis Hamonic is turning into a really good defenseman, and the goaltending is better (if no less varied). Mark Streit, despite not being the same as he was two seasons ago, is actually playing instead of on season-long IR, so his contributions are already a net gain. The only real disappointments thus far have been the imported Isles - Blake Comeau, now COZOing in Calgary, was the lone returning Islander who really regressed.

For all the frustration of the year thus far, it is getting better. Holding onto those escaped points the rest of the way will make a huge difference - perhaps the difference between draft lottery speculation and playoff hockey at the Nassau Coliseum.

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Excellent write up...

I would like to go with this scenario:
COMMITMENT
In this scenario Snow works 24/7 trying to jar one of the young defensive stars that might be available for the right price. That list grows longer every day. (Suter, Bogosian, Subban). None of them would be CHEAP, but the Islanders have assets that should be able to turn a deal.
I still can’t believe that Blake Wheeler has been traded for Valabik/Peverly(with Stuart), and the Islanders got an air biscuit for Comeau. Either there is a cold shoulder approach to Snow, or maybe he just isn’t doing his job correctly. (I’m still giving him a pass, because of limited options). He should have at least gotten a 3rd rounder for him… AT LEAST.
The bottom line here is that the TRUTH has unveiled itself. The team can only go so far with it’s limited defensive talent, and complete lack of depth. That will be the same TRUTH in 2012-13 and 2013-14 unless something is done… and the TIME TO ACT IS NOW!
Do we want to have patience with our prospects, YES. But do we have to have patience with all of them, NO. And can we manage our assets to take full advantage of the draft sliders (Lee, Kabanov, Petrov) and the extra pick booty (Nelson), not to mention the GIFTS OF GORDON (Tavares, NINO, STROME)… and the wedding rings they found behind the dumpster (Grabner, Moulson, Parentau).
With all of those forward options (wow, I didn’t even bring up Ullstrom, Wallace, Dibo, Martin, Rhett) can’t they find a decent top four defenseman. They also have the most CAP SPACE to offer, and if there truly is COMITTMENT, then they should have BUDGET ROOM to add $10M to the floor sweeping budget.
A player or two, a second round pick, and $5-7M over the next 3-5 years and you should be able to get over the hump of mediocrity.
Don’t forget that they lose Witt, Rolston, Eaton, Mottau and Pandolfo ($10M+) from their payroll/budget next year. So they’ll have to spend $10M on raises for Parentau ($1.2M), Nielsen($525K), reese ($600k, lets not have Hillen II) Jurcina ($1.6M, lets not have Martinek II) and Montoya ($600K). the way I see that, they will need to spend about $6M more on those guys… leaving them $4M below the floor and needing three defensemen. One of those defensive replacements can be from the system, and one can be an Eaton level replacement… but one will have to be the eventual replacement for Mark Streit (whether that is in one year, or three years… they need a top four defenseman that is THERE or very close to THERE.
Garth Snow, your clock is running! Get ’er done!!!

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by JPinVA on Dec 21, 2011 2:35 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

Per cap geek, Snow will have $19M in expiring UFA/RFA contracts.

Some of that will be coming back, at a higher value, I’d say $10M to sign Frans, PAP, Monty, Martin, (maybe) Jurcina with the rest being lower rent guys; so that leaves +/- $9M. If Snow can’t get two real decent, maybe not a #1, but 2-3 for sure, for that ($4M – $5M each) then we got an issue. And that’s operating pretty much at the same budget he’s at now. Not adding much if any in cap hits. Strome may bring some $s with him, assuming he doesn’t go to BPT for a bit.

Expiring Hits:
witt $833,333
mottau $800,000
meaton $2,500,000
staois $1,600,000
jurcina $1,600,000
reese $635,000
monty $601,000
nabby $570,000
rolson $5,062,500
pandolf $1,400,000
mmrtin $852,000
wallace $700,000
fn $525,000
pap $1,250,000
$18,928,833

by Les Beaver on Dec 21, 2011 3:39 PM EST up reply actions  

Excellent commentary per usual JP.......

I think basically the same way but don’t write as well. I would love to be in the same room with Snow and Wang and then we would know whether Garth is not doing his job up to what is NHL GM standards or if he is operating the team using chewing gum to try to keep it together and running and winning. We really don’t know what Wangs’ grand plan is for the franchise. Is he negotiating for a new building or negotiating for a sale? If we knew that then we would have a better guess how he is directing the money flow to Snow. and then we might have a better idea what Snow’s strategy is vis a vis the team for the rest of this season and beyond, Good summary Mikb!

by altosax on Dec 21, 2011 6:23 PM EST up reply actions  

I agree with you on Comeau....

However, I will give Garth the benefit of the doubt and go with the idea that he was thinking some kind of move had to be made. After shopping Comeau and getting no takers, Garth wanted to make a move before the losing continued any further.

In that case maybe he thought it was a situation where a trade (or non-trade in this case) for trade’s sake was somehting that might help.

Comeau had become a tired face in that locker room. Make a move don’t worry too much about return value (in this case none).

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by FB4Real on Dec 22, 2011 6:15 AM EST up reply actions  

My memory escapes me, but

…would there have been any harm with scratching Comeau until a deal was made? Did we NOT have the roster space (we did)? Why get rid of him so fast like a hot potato or ticking time bomb? We had the fucking room, and he wasn’t even a scratch his last game with the team! WTF??

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by Bryan2112 on Dec 22, 2011 9:04 AM EST up reply actions  

The return is negligible...

Maybe they get a 3rd round pick if he sits in the pressbox for a week… maybe they still have him. The real PLUS is that his expulsion has led to this:
11GP, 6W-3L-1OTL-1SOL(14PTS). That’s 1.27PPG, and if they could maintain that pace for the rest of the season they would earn 90 points… and that would have them in the race going into the final 5 games.
A 3rd round pick wouldn’t mean anything except another asset to trade for a top four defender. That will be garth’s biggest test. He can make this team a playoff caliber team before January 15th… but there needs to be some COMMITMENT.

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by JPinVA on Dec 22, 2011 9:50 AM EST up reply actions  

Garth probably aimed too high - not that that's a bad thing

Word out of Calgary was that a deal for Comeau had been in the works for some time (his parents live there). So a few things could have went down. Maybe Garth asked for a player Jay Feaster didn’t want to give up. Or Feaster wanted to foist one of his ridiculous contracts on the Islanders and Garth balked. Maybe Feaster didn’t want to give up a pick knowing the Flames might be close to a full top-to-bottom rebuild.

In any event, I wasn’t sad to see Comeau go at the time and I’m less sad now. Maybe the two events weren’t related, but as long as they keep their heads above water, I don’t particularly care.

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by PGI on Dec 22, 2011 10:21 AM EST up reply actions  

Feaster then deserves credit for the play.

They are 8th on waiver hierarchy chart (most likely pretty close to where they were 11/25/11).
The islanders are 4th on that list. So that means that they had six teams to worry about when comeau hit the wire. Comeau has a $2.5M price tag this year, and arbitration rights on his RFA next year. That probably makes him a cost prohibitive pick up for a team not in need of a middle six RH LW. If you’re not looking to make the playoffs, you’re not going to add that salary to a budget either.
So, given his options, Snow would have been wise to get an obligatory 3rd (turning into a second if Calgary makes the playoffs). If Feaster wasn’t at least offering that, then just keep him until somebody does. The only reason you waive him is to clear roster room, or to clear cap space… neither is an issue with the islanders. If Wang just wanted to clear the ~$1.8M from the budget… shame on the both of them.
If it is a mistalke by Snow, it’s a minor one at worst. Keep an eye on what’s available with calgary’s 3rd rounder next year… that will measure how much of a mistake it was.

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by JPinVA on Dec 22, 2011 11:38 AM EST up reply actions  

I'm not ready to attribute

the wins to Comeau’s departure. It might have something to do with it, but it might be a complete coincidence. We were bound to start winning some games at some point, and I’m not even certain we’re playing a whole lot better right now than when we were losing games.

by afrosupreme on Dec 22, 2011 11:45 AM EST up reply actions  

I'll go with COINCIDENCE...

but the facts are what they are.
ULLSTROM> 2011-12 Comeau
BAILEY w/o COMEAU > Bailey w/Comeau
Rolston w/o Comeau > Rolston w/Comeau

I was a Blake Comeau supporter. I’ve defended him on this site time after time. But I’m an Islander fan above all else (regarding this argument), and if my read on what Capuano is trying to make this team into is correct, then I say the team is better off without him.
I think the proof is Kyle’s reaction to what happened to Frans last game. Standing around and watching your team getting pummeled should not be tolerated. You can be a pacificist on your own time, but when you where the uniform you play as a team, and you stand up for each other! Blake wouldn’t stand up for himself, and he wasn’t somebody his teammates could count on… and i was starting to believe that attitude extended into his normal play as well… he definitely over-valued space in the hi left slot… someplace he shouldn’t have been in his defined role… unless the space was created for him… That definitely confused the line dynamics, and that’s why the line is playing better with a ROOKIE LH RW than they were with a 24 goal scorer.

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by JPinVA on Dec 22, 2011 11:55 AM EST up reply actions  

I agree

that line looks much better, but the long and short of my argument would be, we’re not winning because of improved third line play.

I think for whatever reason, BC could not do what was being asked of him. He’s a free lancer, but not a good enough one to justify it.

by afrosupreme on Dec 22, 2011 1:07 PM EST up reply actions  

given in was public knowledge that Snow was trying to move Comeau

i have to believe no one was biting so long as there was a cost. Gambling on Comeau for free is a different bet than giving up a pick. As everyone knew he could be had, the teams at the top of the food chain had to have known Comeau wouldn’t have lasted on the waiver wire long enough to get to them. Hell, even a 4th to 7th rounder is better than nothing but if no one will pay, you have to lower your price until you get a bite, and if still no one will pay, you have to make a choice, waive or keep him protected. One thing for sure, Isles have been on the opposite end of the equation a few times…

by CanadianIsleslifer on Dec 25, 2011 6:51 PM EST up reply actions  

5 Wins

last year, an additional 5 wins would have gotten us in the playoffs.

it’s good to see we are 4 wins ahead of last year’s pace, for what it’s worth. I know that we are talking different seasons, different point totals, but forward progress is very good.

by nullzero00 on Dec 22, 2011 7:38 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

and it was also nice to see all the teams we are chasing lose last night (12/21)

by nullzero00 on Dec 22, 2011 7:39 PM EST up reply actions  

Different seasons,different point totals

That is the whole problem with on pace for scenarios. What are the chances that the Isles are able to maintain last years hot streak at the same point of the season this season?
The Islanders are ahead of last years pace partly because of internal improvement but also because last year at this time they were just plain terrible which pretty much leaves no place to go but up.
It’s nice to dream of what it will take to get back into playoff contention but at this point that is all it really is,a dream.
When they lost 14 out of 16 games (or whatever it was( I am trying to forget that stretch as much as I can) there is a reason they lost that many games. They are not a playoff calibre hockey team.
I hate being a negative nelly just before the holidays but I am keeping track of the Islanders not because I think they have a realistic shot at a playoff spot but mostly just out of curiosity at this point.

by Isle Of Weight on Dec 23, 2011 10:26 AM EST up reply actions  

The only thing I am 100% certain of in this rebuild is:

come hell or high water, Wang will want this rebuild complete by 2015 when the team has a new building. Everytime a team has opened a new building, the owners have wanting the team in the playoffs…that means worst case scenario, 3 more years…but I think the team will be in playoffs before then…

i was one of the ppl who set the bar @ 500. prior to the season. I still hope the Isles finish around there, or better of course.

by CanadianIsleslifer on Dec 25, 2011 6:55 PM EST reply actions  

i just

idk, i feel like bails and fransy are both solid 3rd line centers, so if we can maybe throw one (im crying on the inside) with a package to get a scoring 2nd line center to work with grabs and okie, our defense will might probably hopefully be stable enough to back up the good offense. but i mean, shit, who would sell their solid 2nd line center?

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by CraigConway on Dec 26, 2011 5:27 PM EST reply actions  

but i mean, shit, who would sell their solid 2nd line center?

Exactly.

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by TheMetalChick on Dec 26, 2011 6:34 PM EST up reply actions  

You'd need to find an undervalued or overpriced guy

Exploit a team near the cap ceiling, or hope for a rejuvenating effect on the guy you’re getting back (call it the reverse Muller). The difficulty is, even with Nielsen being well-regarded, he’s also UFA and as such won’t get the return the Isles would like if they bundled him off. They would have to deal a guy under team control for a while, or one of their better prospects.

If they had made a move and won a few in a row, gotten closer to the cutline by Feb 1, I could see trading some future promise for current returns. Not gonna happen now, I think. Scenario One is looming.

The problem is, when they’re playing well they can compete, but when they struggle they can’t win, they aren’t deep enough or skilled enough yet. When they look bad, they look REALLY bad.

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by mikb on Dec 27, 2011 9:42 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

I agree.

I said something similar myself regarding finding an undervalued guy. But that is not the same as getting another teams “solid 2nd line center” or their solid top 4 dman. The Isles are not likely to get either of those- but they DO have a chance of getting other teams Moulsons and Streits and Grabners. I think Moulson is the perfect example of what the Isles need to do. I think they need perhaps a defensive “Moulson” type signing… a young guy who they had a bit of an inside track on who they watched and kept their eye on and then signed.

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by TheMetalChick on Dec 27, 2011 11:57 AM EST up reply actions  


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