Islanders-Jets Post-Game Audio; Montoya Hit; Nino's Clock
by Dominik on Dec 21, 2011 6:00 AM EST
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PrintThe good news is Arthur Staple reported last night that both Al Montoya (who left the game after Evander Kane rushed the puck into his crease (video below) and David Ullstrom (who had an awkward OT collision) were cleared to fly home.
Travis Hamonic's puck to the knee mid-way through the game looked so painful that you wonder if he'll be feeling that in two nights, but it's hard to imagine that kid taking a night off. Our post-game recap is over here, but below we have post-game audio/video as well as additional coverage and other links.
And this is probably moot since all signs point to a full rookie year on the Island, but Nino Niederreiter's season clock is now up to eight games. Which means if they did want to send him back to juniors and have his Entry Level Contract "slide" one more year before fully triggering, Thursday against the Rangers would be his last game. He's minus-8 (minus-2 in his two games since coming back from the concussion) and getting about nine minutes a game.
I'm still of the view a player like him belongs in the AHL, but the rule preventing that puts teams in a tough spot. Has he shown he has more to learn? Definitely. Has he shown enough blips where I think he could learn a lot of that in the NHL this season? Yes. But would it take well more than nine games to see that? Yes.
Islanders Links
- Staple's recap for Newsday: "Nabokov went in and he was promptly greeted by a three-on-one short-handed rush by the Jets, who fumbled that chance badly." No doubt.
- Official site: On Travis Hamonic's NHL homecoming in Manitoba.
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Newsday on Mark Streit's recent struggles (great The Shining headline), and Capuano having a chat with him after the Minnesota turnover.
- Also from the Isles, a cool "40 facts" for the 40th anniversary year. I like 22 and 19 myself.
- About that history: On the goalie change before they came back against the Penguins, who would go on to be their playoff jesters multiple times.
- The Isles have resumed posting a depth chart now, though it's more a daily lineup ... unless you want to read more into it.
- The recap from SB Nation's Jets site Arctic Ice Hockey.
Post-game Audio
Courtesy of the gang at Illegal Curve, where they have plenty:
Travis Hamonic was amped to win in front of family, and celebrate with them afterward. He also flashed the French, his first language. [Hamonic audio]
Jack Capuano said all 20 guys played -- literally, even both goalies! -- and there were "no passengers." Praised the arena atmosphere and goaltending, absolved Kane of any malicious intent. When asked about the first quarter, he said "We gave some games away. We let some teams off the hook." [Capuano audio]
Grabner -- who logged his AHL years in Winnipeg -- was happy to return and win with his NHL home. [Grabner audio]
And clips from the Isles MSG coverage page:
Hamonic (some of the same audio) and Matt Moulson (on road wins, Rangers next):
Jack Capuano on MSG, not liking the wide-open, turnover-happy first period:
Kane-Montoya Collision
We discussed some in the recap. Obviously it's something all three players involved did what they're instructed to do: Montoya stood his ground, Kane drove the net, and Milan Jurcina cut off Kane's angle to the front. Since we see this way too much and the result of everyone doing their job is a dangerous collision that can remove goalies from games (or worse), it seems to demand more clarification from the league.
Finally, OT and just for fun: The year in media errors and corrections | Poynter.
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Just watching the Kane running for the first time
That videos a quick look but Jurcina gave Kane little choice. In that situation I think Jurcina should honestly know better than to hit Kane into Montoya. Also maybe if we didn’t allow Monty to get run so much other teams wouldn’t crash the net so dangerously. We have to start protecting our goaltenders.
Constantly building for the future.
If anything
Jurcina might have slowed him down. Kane had one destination in mind and didn’t care who was in his way.
Get out of the sticks, Charles, move to Queens!! Come, Get some respect a Professional team deserves!!
by Martys301 on Dec 21, 2011 7:35 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Kane's choice is go behind the net, not run Montoya.
Jurcina’s nudge was barely enough to change Kane’s momentum, he was going to the net full bore whether Jurcina was there or not. Kane just took a steeper angle.
by Hockey1919 on Dec 21, 2011 9:26 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
It's a culture thing at this point
The NHL needs to stop it somehow, but it’s going to take a while for this kind of play to stop. You’re right, Kane was going to the net, he wasn’t trying to cut across, he wasn’t going behind. The only way I can see this type of play ending is a mandatory 1 game suspension with a possibility of more with every incident, depending on the severity of the injury, the history of the player, etc.
by IDCWhoYouLike on Dec 21, 2011 9:30 AM EST up reply actions
Pause at 0:15 and 0:18
Kane gives Montoya a crosscheck to the mask. Just prior to that (still at 0:15 when paused) his blade is on the ice even after Jurcina poke checked the puck behind the net. Kane braced himself for impact with goalie by raising his stick to Montoya’s head and barreling through his upper body. Al probably has a nice case of whiplash. For me, worthy of a suspension.
The problem with the "courage" pegs.
It used to be that you had to be really brave or extermely crazy to drive to the net when the net was on fixed posts. Those things had no give and a forward speeding to the net had better avoid them at all cost. The new pegs are a lot safer for on-rushing forwards, but they are hell for the goaltenders.
Kane made no attempt to avoid contact on that play and that has to be the standard. The defense can’t be that he raised his hands to defend himself from the collision because by then the decision was made too late. Defenders are asked to let up on a player that turns his back along the boards and there is zero tolerance. It is about time the same forethought is required of forwards going to the net. You can take the puck to the net, not through the net.
by Hockey1919 on Dec 21, 2011 9:58 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
I don't see Kane's hit being suspension worthy
….unless the league decides to make it an example and
starts cracking down on these bull rushes and comes out with a statement that such events will be met with a suspension. I don’t see it that Kane had intent to hit Montoya even with his hands coming up…..but again, if the league decided to try to eliminate these, I can’t understand why. As I see it right now though, it’s not worthy of a suspension.
agree
here’s Shanahan’s suspension video for Tootoo on Ryan Miller
… cuts hard toward the net… makes the decision to drive the net before the puck is knocked off his stick…. Although Erhoff makes body contact, we do not feel it was significant enough that it altered Tootoo’s path into Ryan Miller. Therefore, the onus is on Tootoo to avoid or at the very least minimize his contact with the goaltender.
It is the attacking player’s responsibility to make a better effort not to crash into the opposing goaltender. The goaltender must feel protected in his crease… Supplemental discipline is necessary because of the force of the collision & the lack of any significant interference steering Tootoo into the goaltender
by noomz on Dec 21, 2011 10:36 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
True.
But although Kane is not in that cagtegory, he doesnt exactly skate around with a halo and angel wings himself.
Let Us Go, Islanders! (Ever notice how strange that sounds without the contraction?)
by TheMetalChick on Dec 21, 2011 1:21 PM EST up reply actions
His reaction after the call was interesting
Got a little worked up there. Looked like he was warming up for a conniption.
Lighthouse Hockey: A flute with no holes is not a flute. A Dane with no holes is Frans Nielsen.
He still had a free pass for the TKO on Cooke.
He has used that card in my books for now. So next time Kane acts up suspend him, I don’t even care if is it Patrick Kane; suspend them both.
I think Kane should get a suspension (1 game).
I watched Streit pull a similar play on Pavelec near the end. He skated hard toward a downed Pavelec and guess what? Stopped right in front of him. Kane could have let up.
Can one be an atheist toward a hockey team? That means I have NO faith anymore.
2 or more
at least 2 games to match Tootoo.
More if Shanahan wants to send a message only 2 weeks after the Tootoo suspension. Tootoo arguably attempted to avoid contact with Miller by turning (almost sideswiping) and letting go of his stick.
Kane put his hands & stick up crushing Montoya in the head while stationed in his crease. With Montoya suffering a concussion, the play “resulted in an injury” which Miller did not.
I have no problem with a Kane suspension, just willing to give him the benefit of the doubt.
More than Lucic who was a multiple repeat offender without the games missed and only got 1 game.
Hear, hear!
Defenders are asked to let up on a player that turns his back along the boards and there is zero tolerance. It is about time the same forethought is required of forwards going to the net.
Amen. That’s what I always harp on with this issue: D-men get faulted for defending, when it’s the forward who’s creating the impending disaster because what’s he have to worry about other than a padded man and a moveable net to cushion his landing?
And look at me, agreeing with a defenseman even!
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by Dominik on Dec 21, 2011 11:40 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
LOL
Next you’ll be agreeing with GOALIES.
Dogs and cats living together! Mass hysteria!
We may be in the box, but you get the penalty.
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as far as the breakaway posts
I don’t buy that this puts goalies more at hazard. If I were puck-rushing and I knew that the net would pop off the moorings, I’d aim for the NET not the goalie. That’s just going to slide away and everyone will be fine. On the other hand, if the net has no give, then the goalie becomes the better option to absorb my momentum.
So in theory the safety cage should be safer for everyone.
We may be in the box, but you get the penalty.
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Your giving forwards too much credit and brains.
They drive net, net no move, they hurt. The assumption is that the forward is in control and gets to choose what he hits. Put a defender there to give him a shove once or twice into the cross-bar they tend to shy away. Us knuckledraggers would love to drive a forward into the net.
by Hockey1919 on Dec 21, 2011 9:19 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I am howling here
This is why goalies are responsible for talking to their defenseman and keeping their team organized when the bad guys come into the zone. You can’t expect forwards to keep track of that sort of thing, that’s why they became forwards in the first place…
We may be in the box, but you get the penalty.
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I don't agree with this at all...
Look at the two angles of approach(Jurcina v Kane). and where both players wind up. The only option Kane would have had[if he was he unimpeded] was to skate in front of Montoya. Jurcina tried to cut him off. If Kane was taking a responsible angle to the net he have wound up behind the net, where Jurcina was. Kane has to play off of Jurcina and understand that he can’t squeeze between the two and avoid Montoya.
This really isn’t the player’s fault, because it is the most aggressive line to the net WITHOUT FEAR OF PUNISHMENT. When progressive suspensions start getting implemented this will stop. Until then, I plan on seeing it OFTEN.
The other option is that Jurcina reaches into his bag of tricks, finds his testicles and UNLOADS on Kane. But… this team isn’t made up that way.
I’m not saying that Kane intentionally tried to knock Montoya out of the game… but that’s what happened… and the league isn’t even going to look at it. Another reason for replacing the next injured player with Michael Haley… he may not deter this type of behavior, but it sure is fun watching him get retribution.
In the last meeting it was Kane v Hamonic… in the next one it should be Haley v Kane.
LighthouseHockey: We saw this coming!
@JPinVA
by JPinVA on Dec 21, 2011 1:36 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I agree here
Juice may have thought that Kane would cut across in front of him if he took a different angle, or that he would have taken a penalty holding him up – but I think that he could have perhaps come more directly at Kane so that he would be able to put a shoulder into him and shove him into the side of net, or force Kane to bail out and cut behind. And based on where Streit is in that photo above, he would have picked Kane back up if he had pulled up and avoided Juice.
Ironically enough, had Kane read the play a little differently, he could have bluffed a cross-crease move and then wrapped around the net, and there would have been blessed little that Juice could have done about it.
We may be in the box, but you get the penalty.
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Booing John Tavares??
Huh? Did I miss something??
by barry_hal_oliver_24 on Dec 21, 2011 7:47 AM EST reply actions
I think they have a player from the opposition that they collectively choose to boo all night.
So they chose JT which makes sense since he is out there so often.
I think it has something to do with the 2009 NHL entry draft
I don’t know why it would matter, but JT was drafted first overall and Kane was drafted 4th overall. That’s the only thing I can think of, it’s kind of like Toronto booing the kid because he chose to actually play with the Isles… the audacity of those Long Islanders even the ones originally from Cananda
by IDCWhoYouLike on Dec 21, 2011 9:03 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I think it was really just Brian Burke with a chorus pedal and a megaphone.
Not the good fans of Winnipeg.
PAP got it too
Fransie got it (but I think they just mistook 51 for 91).
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David Ullstrom got it as well.
They though his 4 was a 9.
I read up on this- it has nothing to do with anything JT did or didnt do, its purely contrived and pre-planned and is done for all opponents.
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by TheMetalChick on Dec 21, 2011 10:08 AM EST up reply actions
XM NHL pre-game
said that it was based on a twitter thing. There’s an @somehtingorother that tells fans to boo a particular player.
Ranger fans have a similar procedure… one twit tells the rest of the lemmings when to scream “POTVIN SUCKS”… The difference is that Winnipeg fans have a shot at getting into a young opponents head. Ranger fans are just trying to give each other… well… you know.
LighthouseHockey: We saw this coming!
@JPinVA
I still think they were saying TEEEEEMUUUUUUU
We may be in the box, but you get the penalty.
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i honestly thought kane was going to
get 5 for charging, but then again, i’m a silly goose
the crowd booing the 2 min call though was funny… can you imagine if matt martin did that to pavelic?
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What makes this so bad is it looks like he jumped
and the initial point of impact seems to be the head….with his stick. No matter what argument he wants to use for why he hit the goalie there is no reasonable excuse for cross-checking a guy to the head.
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what i hated about it was the arms to the head
i guess it’s just reactionary to bring your arms in to protect yourself, but it definitely was a factor in injuring monty
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by bob l on Dec 21, 2011 9:17 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Either that or crosschecking
I’m actually surprised he didn’t get another 2 minutes for arguing the call with the ref. I didn’t think he was all that adamant when it happened live, but then I was more concerned that Monty was still lying on the ice.
by IDCWhoYouLike on Dec 21, 2011 9:27 AM EST up reply actions
The problem appears to be Lucic thinks goaltenders are fair game out of the crease, while
Kane and Tootoo think they are fair game within the crease.
by Hockey1919 on Dec 21, 2011 10:08 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I'm kind of torn on that one
On the one hand Goalies are in the least defensible position, but out of the crease they enter the world of the skaters. I liken it to QBs in the NFL, the pocket is their world and they should be protected (though I think the NFL takes it a bit far with the roughing the passer calls), outside of the pocket not so much, when they exit the pocket, or go past the scrimmage line they become another player. It’s a little different with goalies because of the amount of equipment they carry with them which makes skating or making a move outside the crease next to impossible, but once they leave the crease they have entered the skating zone. So I don’t know.
by IDCWhoYouLike on Dec 21, 2011 10:19 AM EST up reply actions
But the rules are clear, the goaltender is NOT fair game outside the crease.
If you concede he can meet with incidental contact outside the crease it still doesn’t allow for full runs at the netminder in the crease.
It will lead to dumps on goal where a player then barrels into the goaltender “playing the puck” in the crease. We already saw this happen when Nick Kypreos ran Grant Fuhr and Fuhr tore his ligaments while playing for the Blues in the ’96 playoffs.
True
I wasn’t arguing the point, I just see more of a gray area when the goalie is outside the crease, I think that’s why Lucic got a pass when he hit Miller. I agree that the goalie’s crease should be protected at all costs and that these crashing the net plays need to be stopped.
by IDCWhoYouLike on Dec 21, 2011 10:58 AM EST up reply actions
Really enjoy discussions like this
The kind of examination of the issue you figure happens at league meetings, but which Colie used to pretend did not exist because Colie knew hockey and you don’t and that’s that.
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I would like to see the NHL do a few things:
1. Allow the moving pick and not call it interference. If you can get in another player’s skating lane, then you have gained the ice, have the opposing player skate around you. That would slow down the forecheck so that the player getting the puck can’t be crippled. It works in two ways, the defender can have his partner slow down the forecheck and it could also allow a defender to shield the puck and slow the play down as they aproach the boards. It also allows forwards to cycle the puck by setting a screen when they are in possession.
2. Allow the goaltender to play the puck behind the goal line. This will decrease the number of defenders getting crushed and increase offense. Every time a goaltender plays the puck, you are likely leading to a defensive zone disaster.
3. Increase the space behind the net. There are too many collisons back there. It makes it harder to defend, but right now neither the forward nor the defender is getting out from behind the net cleanly. This may increase the speed of the forecheck, but have more room to avoid the hit. It also allows the offense to set up shop a little bit. This also helps the cycle down low since you have room to operate and puts the defense is a no man’s land when challenging behind the net. You have to leave the slot open if you are defending behind the net.
4. Penalize the late hit. Just because a player had the puck last, doesn’t mean you can still hit them 3 seconds later. Treat the puck carrier like a QB in football. Fewer big hits, but the hits will be designed to change possession not concuss your opponent.
The NHL has not increased the flow of the game, they have increased the intensity of the collisions. Players are skating faster and dumping harder, not moving the puck any better. Do we see crisp passing anymore? Not too much because players are firing it away before they are being crushed and the player on the receiving end cannot handle the pass or even catch up to it. Just leads to more turnovers and more icings, but less hockey. Just because players are now moving faster we aren’t seeing the ability to make these high speed plays and that concentration on puck control is going to kill someone. The NHL wants offense, but fast does not equal offense.
by Hockey1919 on Dec 21, 2011 2:13 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
I've been a big fan of #3 for a long time.
That choke point creates a lot of collisions. You don’t even have to increase the size of the rink. Move the nets up a few feet, move the bluelines to compensate and take the space out of the neutral zone.
I’d add getting rid of the delay of game penalty. Treat it like an icing.
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It also allows a lot of predatory hits
From likely suspects who all too eagerly use the goal and the other D-man or forward as a screen from which to sneak attack the guy behind the goal line.
I really love good, clean, big hits, but the guys who tend to use little advantages and loopholes like that to blow someone up are a big part of the injury problem, IMO.
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My proposition however, is all or nothing.
These are finely crafted rule changes that only work together like a fine Swiss watch. Remove only one of them and the whole system collapses like a house of cards. I want absolute control over the rule book and how the game is called..
I felt I needed to add some internet insanity back into the discussion, this was all too rational.
Really love all these options
I could stand a slightly bigger rink (not Olympic size, but just a little more room, given the conditions outlined above), but I know that’s dreaming.
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A wider blue line would solve the additional space.
It looks ugly, but it affectively increases the neutral and offensive zones.
we use a "floating blue line" in our league
Once you gain the zone, the defense must clear the puck past the center line. Opposing players must clear back to the blue line to get back onside. And icing is from behind the blue line, not the red.
In the NHL those rules would not work. It would be way too much room to maneuver for offenses. Duffers like us are not skilled enough to take full advantage. But I bring it up because it has the same idea of increasing the offensive zone without eliminating neutral territory (only more drastic).
We may be in the box, but you get the penalty.
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Agreed it would in essence make Olympic size rinks.
Which makes the game a constant trap with players collapsing into the center of the ice instead of pursuing the puck in no-man’s land.
A-yep
In fact, this is one reason why I am ambivalent about larger rinks.
We may be in the box, but you get the penalty.
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Another idea
It seems the speed of the game has increased while at the same time the shifts have gotten shorter. Platers hit the ice like guided missiles for 35 seconds and then they are off. in the past, shifts were longer and players had to conserve energy to survive the shift. Perhaps shifts should be mandated to 1 minute minimums, or something like that. It may slow the game down a bit and open up scoring as players would inevitably tire towards the tail end of their shifts. It’s not like this would ruin the game, because this is exactly what the game was like not too long ago. The way the game has evolved, to use a baseball analogy, is like the coach uses 9 one inning pitchers instead of a starting pitcher that can go for 7 innings.
by CloseCallJiggs on Dec 21, 2011 10:23 PM EST up reply actions
It's a interesting theory but it could never work
How could you enforce it? It would require the off-ice officials to measure the shift lengths of all ten skaters at once and whistle down plays down for illegal substitutions. It would also take a lot out of the game regarding line matchups.
We may be in the box, but you get the penalty.
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Shorten the bench or remove TV timeouts
Get rid of the TV timeouts mid-period and the players, even with shorter shifts, will be more tired. More tired, more mistakes, equals more offense. We all know offense is just a mistake after all and ll games when played to perfection would end 0-0.
regarding goalies and "the skating zone"
You’re right that the goalie and the QB are not exactly parallel. A quarterback is an offensive player, and his objective is the same as the other ten guys, to advance the ball as far as possible. In that respect he’s no different than his teammates, though his role is specialized.
The goalie is unique among his teammates, in that he is the only person allowed to do certain things, and the only person forbidden to do others – all because his sole purpose is to defend his goal, and anything else is gravy. His job would be impossible if he wasn’t allowed the special equipment and protected from contact that is permitted or even encouraged towards the other players. For example, that’s why the keeper is allowed to keep playing with a broken stick until there is a stoppage, while anyone else has to drop it at once. He frequently has to expose himself to incidental contact while vulnerable – legs splayed out and off-balance. When Tootoo ran Miller, for example, the thing I worried about more than his head was his left knee, which was caught awkwardly under their combined weight. That’s why you don’t run goalies and why they need the extra rules.
Just my two cents.
We may be in the box, but you get the penalty.
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I agree with that
The goalie is definitely unique among his teammates, but to me the onus falls on the goalie when he leaves the crease, not the forward or attacking player. Which is why I am torn on what to do outside the crease. Is the goalie in a less defensible position when moving towards the puck outside the crease, or when he’s attempting to make a save absorbing incidental contact? Yes, he’s wearing the pads, which makes it harder for him to maneuver but at the same time he’s got to take that into account before going to play the puck. This is why I’m torn, once the goalie enters the skating zone is he less defensible than in the crease or is he better equipped to take a body check? To me that’s what makes it such a gray area. I really think Lucic shouldn’t have gotten the pass that he got when he hit Miller, not because it resulted in a concussion or because Miller is a goalie, but because he seemed to go for the big body check more so than the puck and given the position that Miller was in at the time of the hit Lucic should have pulled off. Shanahan even said in that video that the onus is on Lucic to get out of the way, but I just don’t know if he said that because Miller is a goalie or because of the position that Miller was in at the time of the check.
My other objection is that the goalie is in essence changing his role when he comes out of the crease to play the puck, as a QB does when he leaves the pocket. How many times did DiPietro get hit when he came out of the net to play the puck early in his career when he still had potential? Even then, I couldn’t yell and scream at the offensive player because he hit the guy in pads. I screamed at the defensive players for not doing anything to back up their guy. Is there a difference, yes, the QB is more mobile, more able to maneuver away from a big hit, and has the added bonus of being able to slide out of the play making him untouchable. Can the NHL do something similar, I don’t know, the only thing I can think of is allowing the goalie to cover the puck when he’s that far out of the crease, but does that help the flow of the game?
I don’t wish injury on anyone, and maybe the rules protecting the goalie outside the crease are a good thing and limit the amount of injuries. In that respect I fully agree with the rule, and I fully agree with how it’s handled for the most part. What I would like to see, and where my analogy with the QB comes in on a level is more protection for the goalie in the crease where I think he’s more likely to get hurt by contact than outside the crease. It seems to me that the NHL has the rules backwards, while (shock of shocks) the NFL actually did something right for a change.
by IDCWhoYouLike on Dec 21, 2011 11:43 PM EST up reply actions
Nino is starting to look comfortable out there
Looks like he and Bailey could build some chemistry. There were a couple of really good feeds from Josh.
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Bring him along
Slowly is the right thing to do and the Isles seem to be doing that, not burdening him with too much ice time or big responsibilities and he is making his way. Fortunately, the team has better players now, so they don’t have to rush a la Bailey, who luckily wasn’t completely destroyed and is starting to come around. He is showing, as has been noted, a lot of confidence these days.
Bailey
I believe that part of the turnaround with Josh Bailey has to do with Blake Comeau leaving the Islanders. No knock on Comeau, but this provided Bailey with more complimentary linemates. Bailey and Ullstrom seem to work well with each other, and hopefully Nino will consistently start working well with both players.
Bailey is a playmaker
You aren’t going to collect many points when the guy you pass too sticks along the boards and circles the zone. Bailey can really thread a pass so you need to give him guys who will battle to get to the areas you want to pass to. Plus he is a pretty good forechecker which is wasted with less aggressive linemates.
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by Anarcurt on Dec 21, 2011 1:27 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Ergo
Getting rid of Comeau was addition by subtraction.
I like Bailey with Grabner for that reason, since he can just skate to the open areas.
Frans is our checker and works great with Grabner as well, but I still think Bails and Grabs would be an interesting tandem.
I would like to see Bailey feed Nino some more
And Nino, his development is going to be fun to watch. Like a newborn doe out there, with funny fumbles mixed with glimpses of hopefully what will eventually be a polished big dude with hands.
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I agree and that is why he needs to stay
he looked ready to start scoring and has finally played a few gmaes in a row. I like him on the Bailey line, but sucks that Ullstrom will be out. Hope Martin gets moved up and Haley plays 4th line
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by Rickfansince76 on Dec 21, 2011 10:28 PM EST up reply actions
Was it just me...
or was Butchie just awful last night?!
He was 'back home'
Maybe some of that home made moonshine?
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i thought he brought his usual level of
NORMALACY to the broadcast
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by bob l on Dec 21, 2011 9:18 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
It must be contagious...
because I think Hamonic says, “with comfortability comes responsibility”
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by mikb on Dec 21, 2011 9:21 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
He is from Manitoba, he was excited.
Let Us Go, Islanders! (Ever notice how strange that sounds without the contraction?)
by TheMetalChick on Dec 21, 2011 11:07 AM EST up reply actions
was pavelic that good last night???
or did we get too cute???
i thought JT, MM, NN, and Grabs all should have had 1 maybe 2 goals each…
JT missing on his scoring chances is making me nuts… cue the BUST comments
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He was very good in the first period
For once, I don’t think the Islanders got too cute. That pond hockey middle section was wild, and Pavelic was the only thing keeping it from being 3-or-even-4 to zip.
Captain Jack may not like it, the players probably couldn’t do it, but man, I’d love to see them play that wild-coast-to-coast style all the time. They might not win a whole lot, but they’d be a hell of a lot of fun to watch.
"He's depriving some small village of a pretty good idiot" - Mike Milbury on Ziggy Palffy's agent. On Twitter: @Dan_of_Science
Yeah I'd say this cold streak has made JT try a little too much
He looks like he is overthinking his shots.
No Sleep 'til....Belmont?
by Anarcurt on Dec 21, 2011 10:38 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Dont really care JT is not scoring
He is still making plays and seting up guys. He leads the team in points with 26. As long as he keeps feeding guys who are scoring, then all things are ok with me.
We are all Islanders, even if we’re from Jersey!
by Russel Ginart on Dec 21, 2011 12:47 PM EST up reply actions
Love 19 as well, but always disappointed it isn't 20. We were robbed by a change in playoff format.
For 27 I would have gone with Trottiers points in 27 consecutive playoff games from 1980-1982. One of the all-time great playoff feats. That is three post-season’s with a point in EVERY game.
by Hockey1919 on Dec 21, 2011 10:14 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
That Trots figure is amazing
And 20, hell, coulda been 21, 22, 23…
Ah well, Steve Smith and Wayne each played a part in making sure no one ever came close to 19 again.
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26 – Consecutive games played by Tommy Salo in 1996-97. The most any Isles goalie has played in a row.
I FEEL SICK after READING #26!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
We are all Islanders, even if we’re from Jersey!
by Russel Ginart on Dec 21, 2011 12:53 PM EST up reply actions
All those consecutive games and the Mad Cobbler still made Salo cry
Then you have Eric Fichaud (who I always thought looked like Celine Dion), who still managed to log 34 games in the 1996-97 season for the Isles.
Little disappointed that No. 9 wasn't
Bossy’s NHL record for most consecutive 50+ goal seasons. That’s pretty crazy.
Other than that, the list was cool.
"He's depriving some small village of a pretty good idiot" - Mike Milbury on Ziggy Palffy's agent. On Twitter: @Dan_of_Science
by PGI on Dec 21, 2011 2:15 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
So is this the only blog/forum
That doesn’t bash Snow endlessly?
I’m starting to think so.
"We owe him a lot more than he owes us at this point. He's been stellar all year. He still gave us a chance to win this one, and we've got to find a way."
—C Josh Bailey, on G Al Montoya after a 5-3 loss Tuesday in Montreal.
by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Dec 21, 2011 12:39 PM EST reply actions
Isles blog/forum that is.
"We owe him a lot more than he owes us at this point. He's been stellar all year. He still gave us a chance to win this one, and we've got to find a way."
—C Josh Bailey, on G Al Montoya after a 5-3 loss Tuesday in Montreal.
by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Dec 21, 2011 12:44 PM EST up reply actions
Well, 99% of the people that post here ARE Garth Snow.
The rest are Frans Neilsen. It’s cool now, but wait til contract negotiation time. It’s going to explode up in here.
by Les Beaver on Dec 21, 2011 2:09 PM EST up reply actions 5 recs
Most of the 99% are also brothers-in-law to Matt Moulson
by Dougtone on Dec 21, 2011 2:21 PM EST up reply actions 5 recs
And most of them are insane
As evidenced here.
"We owe him a lot more than he owes us at this point. He's been stellar all year. He still gave us a chance to win this one, and we've got to find a way."
—C Josh Bailey, on G Al Montoya after a 5-3 loss Tuesday in Montreal.
by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Dec 21, 2011 4:52 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Nothing really
Just wanted to, once again, say that you guys are effing amazing. You’ve totally changed the way I follow Islanders here from Sweden.
by Constant Despise of Dale Hunter on Dec 21, 2011 12:50 PM EST reply actions 3 recs
Fantastic user name.
Official choice of Lighthouse Dog #1.
by Fabtraption on Dec 21, 2011 1:09 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Great to hear!
If we can make this place a good spot to follow the team from anywhere in the world, that’s ideal in my book. Big part or dream for how this site started, anyway.
Always open to suggestions for handling things better, too.
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by Dominik on Dec 21, 2011 1:51 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Road warriors
After last year’s abysmal 13-21-7 road record, and this year’s 0-5-2 start, we were all afraid they were going to give away the season on that last November road trip, no? Well, a funny thing has happened lately — they are now one game away from .500 on the road at 5-6-2. Instead of the road trip that killed the season, we may be looking on it as the trip that saved the season. And now, 4 points on a swing through Minny and Manni (toba)? Sometimes, young teams really gel on the road. There can be relief from the pressure of playing at home before a frustrated (half-empty?) crowd. And they can play simple road games, which might be helping them. Whatever, I know it’s a small sample but it’s not that small a sample. I’m too lazy to look up their road record at this point last year but I know that there’s a big difference between 8 games under NHL .500 (and 15 games under normal .500) is a far cry from one game/3 games. We’re almost half-way to last year’s road win total at the one-third mark. Clearest indication that your 2011-2012 Islanders might not be your 2010-2011 Isles.
by BobSulli on Dec 21, 2011 1:19 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
is anyone else having issues listening to the audio links
for some reason, the page will load but the audio file won’t play…im using Chrome btw
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I had noticed that too
I tried loading the Jack Capuano audio file, but the file played very choppy, skipping segments and whatnot. I was using Firefox.
mine wont even play
thats the bigger issue for me
islanders hockey, making a sane person go insane during finals week
Works fine for me on Firefox
Maybe try going directly to the Illegal Curve page, where they have the clips in an embedded player? (I have no idea whether that might help.)
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Al Montoya and David Ullstrom both out indefinitely with concussions for #Isles. Call-ups coming later tonight.
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na na na na na
the chances of you outscooping me, a college student home for break with nothing to do in the afternoon, are 0
islanders hockey, making a sane person go insane during finals week
I feel pretty bad for Ullstrom and Montoya, but you know who else I feel bad for?
Josh Bailey.
That guy just can’t have any sort of stable linemates, can he? Although I do hope that this new injury to Ullstrom hastens a Martin-Bailey-Nino line, which I have a feeling would be a hell of a lot of fun to watch.
Official choice of Lighthouse Dog #1.
I just pictured Josh Bailey in the locker room with that Brad Pitt in 12 Monkeys look in his eyes.
“Slumping? I’m slumping? No goals? No goals for Josh? COZO COZO COZO, COZO THE CLOWN! COZO THE CLOWN TO CALGARY. Now Josh score…..Ulstrom? Ulstrom no umlauts? Ullstrom needs umlauts….TO THE BRAIN!!! Now Josh score! Give Josh new linemate, now Josh score with new linemate…..oooh, spider, Josh CRUNCH!”
by Les Beaver on Dec 21, 2011 4:02 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Who's up next?
StapeNewsday: Al Montoya and David Ullstrom both out indefinitely with concussions for #Isles. Call-ups coming later tonight. [
Poulin definitely and I'd say Haley with the Rangers coming up twice.
No Sleep 'til....Belmont?
Crapola
Well that stinks. Wow, are concussions up. I think it’s good they’re being careful. But why were they allowed to fly?
Indeed.
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I'm guessing
flying with a concussion can’t make it worse, but it can make you feel poorly. And you have to remember, they are calling everything a concussion at this point. The mildest ding is being taken very seriously.
Wondering the same thing.
Generally when a player has a definite concussion they do not fly.
Let Us Go, Islanders! (Ever notice how strange that sounds without the contraction?)
by TheMetalChick on Dec 21, 2011 3:09 PM EST up reply actions
More is known about concussions these days
Plus with the large financial investments made on pro athletes, it is better to err on the side of caution, rather than have more players go through what Sidney Crosby and Marc Savard have been going through with their post concussion events.
and yet the Pens let Letang play in OT after he got his bell rung and now he's out too.
That seems to be an organization that just doesn’t learn. Then again he seems to have this “virus” that seems to coincide with concussions. So maybe concussions are an epidemic.
by Hockey1919 on Dec 21, 2011 5:52 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
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1979-80
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May 24, 1980: Tonelli to Nystrom. At long last, the steady build of the New York Islanders from expansion doormat to surprise semifinalist to annual contender reaches the promised land: Buoyed by a late season trade for Butch Goring that gave the team the depth up the middle GM Bill Torrey had been seeking, the Islanders knock off the Philadelphia Flyers in six games.
The victory justified the faith in coach Al Arbour who guided them from their second season to their first Stanley Cup seven seasons later. The Islanders would not be the first expansion team to win the Stanley Cup, but they would be the only one capable of a dynasty.
1980-81
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May 21, 1981: This time it was much easier. After falling to "only" 91 points in the 1979-80 season, the Islanders returned to their division title tradition, piling up 110 points -- a whole 13 points over second-place Philadelphia.
Between the quarterfinals (where they beat the upstart Oilers in six games) and the finals, the Islanders reeled off eight consecutive wins -- with a four-game sweep of archrival Rangers in between. As they defeated the Minnesota North Stars in five games for their second Cup, their goal difference in the final was a combined +10.
1981-82
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May 16, 1982: Another year, another landslide title. The Islanders won the Patrick Division by a whopping 26 points over the second-place Rangers, and were seven points clear of their nearest competition for the President's Trophy, the still-not-quite-ripe Edmonton Oilers.
A first-round scare against the Pittsburgh Penguins turned in the Isles' favor thanks to John Tonelli's heroics, and a true dynasty was on its way: Past the Rangers in six games, then an eight-game sweep of the Quebec Nordiques and Vancouver Canucks to run away with the Stanley Cup.
1982-83
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May 17, 1983: Not so fast, whipper-snappers. The Edmonton Oilers' steadily rising challenge for league supremacy took them all the way to the finals for the first time, where the New York Islanders summarily dispatched them in a four-game sweep. For the Islanders, the Dynasty was secured. For the Oilers, it was a powerful lesson in where talent ends and the demands of playoff hockey begin.
Four years, four Cups, 16 consecutive playoff series wins (a record that would grow to 19 until the rematch with the Oilers the following year). Mike Bossy scored 60 goals yet again, and Wayne Gretzky became acquainted with Billy Smith's crease.
