Bits: Current New York Islanders Shootout Career Records
by Dominik on Dec 19, 2011 7:00 AM EST
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Saturday night the Islanders won their first shootout of the season, but that will never stop the parlor game of fretting about who should shoot in the post-OT coin-flip. As it turns out, thanks to Al Montoya's three saves on the Minnesota Wild, the Islanders only needed two shooters: John Tavares missed, Frans Nielsen converted, and Kyle Okposo was the unneeded on-deck batter for the bottom of the ninth, as it were.
Certain players excel (Nielsen), certain players struggle (Tavares has never seemed to find a high-percentage approach), and one player many fans will not want to see appears high on the list of career shoots via nhl.com. Full table of Islanders shooters is below, along with some Monday links:
| Career Shooters | Attempts | Conversions | Pct. |
| Frans Nielsen | 30 | 17 | 56.7 |
| Brian Rolston | 27 | 10 | 37.0 |
| P.A. Parenteau | 12 | 5 | 41.0 |
| Matt Moulson | 10 | 4 | 40.0 |
| John Tavares | 14 | 3 | 21.4 |
| Kyle Okposo | 12 | 2 | 16.7 |
| Josh Bailey | 5 | 1 | 20.0 |
| Marty Reasoner | 6 | 1 | 16.7 |
| Matt Martin | 1 | 0 | 0.0 |
| Nino Niederreiter | 1 | 0 | 0.0 |
| Mark Streit | 5 | 0 | 0.0 |
I remember Rolston being one of the few to try -- and convert -- a straight-up slapshot in the shootout. Parenteau has his speed forehand move but is hardly a sure thing. Moulson, too, has shown himself to be able to convert a go-to forehand move but it's one that needs to be perfect to get through.
Okposo won a shootout in Montreal but is not one I'd normally choose; however, the shootout is such a crapshoot that going to KO in front of his parents in Minnesota was not a wrong move: If there is a point along the margins where "crapshoot" meets "good story" meets "focus and momentum," that's as good as any to try it. And Nino may yet be something; he missed his only attempt this season trying to make a bevy of moves, but he has some history in the event from his junior career.
It's interesting that Tavares is a better passer than he was hyped to be at the draft, and not quite the sniper that his reputation carried. His hands are magic, but are not lethal when in tight with the goaltender. I still think he has the capacity to make the right moves in the shootout, but whether he overthinks it or doesn't sell it, etc., he has work to do there.
I know as a fan I pontificate too much against the shootout -- I apologize to the regulars and to the shootout fans -- but it's moments like Patrick Kane the other night that I've always feared about this event. The penalty shot and the implied (but rarely watched) five-second clock always made this more like a clear-cut breakaway. But now the shootout has gradually turned both the post-game breakaway drill and the regular penalty shot into more of a practice trick contest. It's so divorced from gameplay (here I go pontificating again) that rather than make "the most exciting play in hockey" happen more often, I feel like it's neutered "the most exciting play in hockey."
Anyway, the Islanders are sure to end up in more shootouts this year. They need to try to find another go-to guy. What are your proposals there? What advice would you give Tavares or anyone else? And what happened to Brendan Witt?
Islanders, Ex-Islanders & Hockey Links
Mark touched on it in yesterday's prospect roundup, but not a good finish to the pre-holiday part of the season for the Sound Tigers. From Fornabaio:
"...six-game losing streak. It’s incredible to look over the lists and realize that, of the eight longest winless streaks in team history, four of them happened in this calendar year. Brent Thompson said the break couldn’t come at a better time."
He had more in the ConnPost gamer here.
Newsday talked to Kyle Okposo about playing with confidence after his scratch spell a month ago.
Tuesday's opponent welcomed Teemu back to Winnipeg over the weekend. Pretty cool.
From the Aaron Portzline blog after Columbus blew a third-period lead and lost to the Blues last night:
Another tough night for D James Wisniewski. He was minus-3 with no shots on goal, and he appeared to get shaken up on a collision with Oshie late in the second period.
Wiz is a team high -- er, low -- minus-17 despite missing the first eight games via suspension.
He Who Shall Not Be Named: Mike Milbury denies assault on child, claims son was bullied - The Boston Globe
He Who Once Won, Then Sent His Son: Steve Tambellini Expects The Oilers To Make The Playoffs, Should He? - The Copper & Blue
Replacement Coach Standings: With all the coaching firings this year, I decided to start tracking how teams are doing after the change. [SB Nation NHL hub]
Your injury of the night: Video: Rene Bourque’s hit from behind injures Brent Seabrook - Puck Daddy
The Avalanche situation -- low payroll, long rebuild, antsy fans -- sounds familiar, although they have a nice building and such. They also have an owner who says this: "I don't want to say it so bluntly that it offends the fans. But they got spoiled the first few years the Avalanche were in town." Nice.
Finally, this was a fantastic read about a famous Montreal columnist who appears to have a major grudge against Theo Fleury.
OT
R.I.P., Vaclav Havel. Seems these characters most often appear in books. But Havel was real.
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Isn't it strange how JT has not turned out to be as touted, thus far?
I mean, hes still only in his 3rd season. He has shown how he can stick handle through a phone booth and he can also make power moves to the net. He just needs to work on finishing.
I wonder if it's a matter of timing the shot
Against Backstrom he got too close and there was no way he could lift the backhand over his pad and glove. Maybe he makes his move just a little too late and thus runs out of options.
At Backhand Shelf, they looked over Zack Parise’s shootouts (I can’t remember if it was Bourne or not) – at one point in the post they had screen caps of all of Parise’s shootouts, and he’s in shooting position between the hashes of the circles… every time. From there he can make any move he likes and if the goalie commits early he has space to get around him for the tap-in; or if he likes he can just snap off a wrister from 15 feet. It’s nearly automatic.
I think that with his hands, Tavares would benefit from a similar approach. He just has to do it slightly earlier.
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I think Tavares is committing to making the move before he even starts is Penalty Shot.
This is pure speculation on my part, but I think he is going in determined to make a move and in turn isn’t in the right mind frame to take a shot if available. In normal hockey game play, he reacts and doesn’t think too much about it. He takes what he is given, in the shootout he seems to be overanalyzing it.
Trying too hard
Tavares seems to always be trying to make the perfect play, waiting too long to shoot, even if he has a lot of shots.
Speaking of Winnipeg, those Jets uniforms, all military and such, are creepy. the old ones were much nicer, not to mention simpler.
It's not creepy
They’re just so….bland. I suppose shooting for excitement has it’s own risks (Moo-terus, the Isles’ black), but it feels like a missed opportunity there
Maybe hes lost the shoot first mentality.
Always looking for the perfect set up instead of shooting. But he is good at what he does.
I confess they've grown on me a bit
Still not a fan of the unis themselves, but the overly simple logo is starting to take root in my head — no doubt as they intended aiming for a simple, iconic mark.
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Too military
For me. And the colors are way too cold. The old logo using the hockey stick for the J and the brighter blue were fine. They took the same name. Why mess with the logo?
I think the owners were wary of falling into "same old Jets" stigma
Since it was usually a bad team. (Though obviously well loved in nostalgic retrospect.)
Or, more cynically they wanted to make sure they had a new merchandise stream and pander to local/military ties.
Agree the colors are too cold. We have blue covered quite well already.
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They could have avoided those fears
by saying, “Yeah, everybody loved the Jets, but why don’t we start fresh?”
Then they also wouldn’t have to argue about records that correctly belong to the Coyotes now belonging to the Thrashers.
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As I remember
the owners wanted to go in a different direction name-wise (Manitoba Moose, anyone?), but the outcry from fans was too much
Of course, that could very likely have been planned to maintain interest after the initial news of the move, but that’s how I remember it
No, I think you're right
Still, it probably would have been for everyone’s longterm benefit if they just started with a new team.
The Wild didn’t want to rename themselves the North Stars when they set up shop.
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I don't think they were allowed to take that name
The Dallas franchise still owns the name IIRC, and “Stars” vs. “North Stars” would make it sound like some bad 80’s sitcom spinoff…. I mean, think of the Blues and Blue Jackets. There’s definitely a “Meet the Ropers” vibe around the Columbus franchise.
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It happens in baseball
White Sox, Red Sox, Reds.
Rays, Jays.
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by TheMetalChick on Dec 19, 2011 10:38 PM EST up reply actions
I agree
The uniforms would be great for a Royal Canadian Air Force team, but the Jets are certainly not that at all. So I wouldn’t call them creepy but somewhat off-the-mark and possibly pandering to a certain type of patriotism. They should try out a version of the old uniforms as a third jersey and maybe move forward from there.
But has anyone noticed how they’ve crept up in the standings?
It is Diduck.
i agree
i’m not anit-military by any means, but when i am at a sporting event, the last thing i want to be thinking about is war and the military…sports is suposed to be a pleasant distraction from the realities of the world…there is something unnerving about the jets militarizing the uniforms.
by CanadianIsleslifer on Dec 20, 2011 10:09 AM EST up reply actions
RSH
Maybe bring back RSH just for shootouts. His video game-esque moves and the Danish backhand would give us two almost guaranteed goals…
and Tamby for his wicket wrister...
He had pin point accuracy with that and it was quick and fast…Too bad we cant have them sitting on sidelines for that purpose only.
The Fleury article
I have a significant amount of experience researching and working in the areas of sexual and physical abuse of children. My M.A. and PhD were both on residential schools for Inuit [Americans used the term Eskimo]. Whether ppl admit it or not, our society DOES look at abuse survivors differently. This stigmatism is what leads so many not to talk about it and hide it, which of course only protects the abuser. When Sheldon Kennedy came forward, I would guess this may have even angered some of James’ other victims out of fear it would be discovered that they too were abused, and of course, all would have been at very places in there recovery. Fleury was obviously not yet ready to deal with it, and Kennedy’s coming out in such a public way forced Theo to deal with it, even if he wasn’t ready. That is precisely what Fleury was doing with the drug and alcohol abuse, however destructive that was.
Theo Fleury’s behaviour both on and off the ice, particularly after Sheldon came out, was so blatantly classic behaviour by an abused victim that Theo might as well have had it written on his forehead. It is no surprise the drug and alcohol abuse, and the bad behaviour that led to his dismissal from the Rangers escalated after Sheldon came forward.
No matter how many times Fleury denied he too was a victim, countless times I said to friends and family that there is absolutely no doubt in my mind, based on my experience, that Fleury was in fact the victim of sexual abuse. The moron – and I use that term losely – named Pat Hickey engaged in victim attacks via his job as a columnist with the Montreal Gazzette should be fired. If he had any self-respect at all, he would at the very least appologize profusely.
Pat Hickey, you win the reward for Douche Bag of the Year.
by CanadianIsleslifer on Dec 19, 2011 9:24 AM EST reply actions 2 recs
I always thought Fleury was just an ass
Then I read his book. Man that guy has demons. It’s good to see a guy be able to pull himself back from the brink. His story could have easily been a worse tragedy.
No Sleep 'til....Belmont?
Demons
Was he raised by lesbians, too?
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by PGI on Dec 19, 2011 11:57 AM EST up reply actions 3 recs
rec'd
Yay, another meme!
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by Fabtraption on Dec 19, 2011 12:03 PM EST up reply actions
I always hated Fleury for being an ass and then some, I don't even feel bad for the "Fleury Sucks" chant, since I didn't know at the time.
But in retrospect you understand why he is one messed up dude and the poster child for how bad abuse can ruin your life. I would think Hickey would now realize why Fleury was so unlikabale and such a train wreck. I mean, I totally despised him because he was everything that I hate about professional athletes. Now looking back I now feel nothing but sympathy for him, I think Hickey still can’t get over his dislike for the guy.
Fleury
blatantly classic behaviour by an abused victim
Indeed. It was sad to watch it play out knowing the connection with that team after Kennedy exposed James. He showed so many of the signs — how tragic is it that even people who didn’t know him at all could make a good bet that’s the process he was going through?
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Best line from Milbury interview
"The last thing [the player in sweater No. 10] said to Jake was, ‘What are you going to do now, tough guy, hit me with a shoe?!’ ’’ said Milbury. "Thank you, YouTube.’’
Sounds like a budding Avery. Trolling at its finest.
I laughed
I shouldn’t have, but I did
by Dr. Copp on Dec 19, 2011 10:08 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I'll admit it
I did too.
STOP effin' messin' with my FnGO!!
by Nova Scotia Isles Fan on Dec 19, 2011 12:26 PM EST up reply actions
Read the article
If that’s what really happened, then I hate to say it, but…..ummm….::gulp:: Milbury didn’t do anything wrrr….wrong and I agree with him. God that was hard to get out, but in all seriousness, that crap has no place in this game and I’m sick of every mother/father acting like their kid is a victim when they are little shit-heads. Yes, he shouldn’t of cursed at the kid, but its easy to exaggerate details to make a new story. I really doubt that a grown man whose in the limelight would shake a kid, but you never know. Sounds to me like these charges will be dropped.
You should've seen her face. It was the exact same look my father gave me when I told him I wanted to be a ventriloquist.
by mikefromVA on Dec 19, 2011 11:13 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
What do you mean Milbury did nothing wrong?
Manhandling (if true) a 12-year-old no matter what that kid said to your son is wrong. I’m not doubting that the whole situation is a bunch of angry hockey parents, but if Milbury put his hands on the kid, then he is wrong (unless he was breaking up the fight). And honestly, if Milbury doesn’t want people to bring up the shoe, maybe he shouldn’t have gone into the stands that night and hit a dude with his shoe. You can only get mad at yourself if people pick on well-known, prior actions of yours.
Can one be an atheist toward a hockey team? That means I have NO faith anymore.
by Turgeon1992 on Dec 19, 2011 11:23 AM EST up reply actions
(unless he was breaking up the fight)
That’s exactly what the article said he was doing. Grabbed the kid’s shirt, pulled him away, and cursed at him.
by afrosupreme on Dec 19, 2011 11:28 AM EST up reply actions
As someone whose coached youth hockey (since Milbury is not just a parent but an assistant coach) there is never a situation in which you as a coach should be touching opposing players OR on the rink. There are referees and officials to handle that.
Not just coaches though, but Parents too should never enter the ice (except for emergency) and definitely not on the ice to pull away an opposing player and curse at him.
Milbury is old school, and is probably going to pay for it. Did he assault this kid? Probably not? Was the kid a dick? Possibly. But all this does is feed into the fact that you can throw his kid off his game by taunting him. In this day and age there is very little you can do to someone else’s kid and not get in trouble.
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Saw your post just as I submitted mine.
and I agree I don’t care about old school or new school either. Mad Mike isn’t that much older than I am, as a coauch you are entrusted to be THE most responsible person on the ice/court/pitch/field.
Just because some 12 year old is an immature jackass doens’t mean it is justified. Mater of fact, as a 12 year old you have to expect him to be immature. Taunting and how to deal with it is something I teach my OWN players. They aren’t to talk crap and are to ignore it at all cost. They are taught over and over that taunting is there for only one reason, to distract you from your goal.
I think it depends
If you avert/end a fistfight I don’t have a problem with pulling on a kid’s shirt. If it’s reached that level then the referees may not have done there job, or might need an assist. Would he have been better off pulling his own kid away? Absolutely. Might the specifics of the situation made it work out differently (i.e. he was closer to the opposing player)? Possibly.
I got the sense that the situation was more than just Milbury angry at a kid for taunting his son-that this was a situation about to become more serious between the two kids.
These kids are 12 year olds with full cages I'm supposing too
So I still stick to the imminent threat idea and seems like Mike is impulsive. He’s quoted as saying this went on for a couple of hours, if I’m running the show, I go over to the kid and say stop the crap well before it looks like these kids are going to come to blows. I don’t know MM, but past actions make me think he acts first, the thnking part …. may actually never happen.
There weren't refs on the ice any more though
They left after the game and this was a shootout “for fun” after they had their little party or whatever.
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Grab 'em both
by the scruff of the neck and send them to the showers.
Might learn ‘em sumpthin’.
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by Nova Scotia Isles Fan on Dec 19, 2011 12:28 PM EST up reply actions
Please read the article first :)
I agree, you shouldn’t cause any harm to a kid, but pulling a kid and restraining him from a fight during a youth hockey game is justified. Probably should of grabbed his own kid instead of the other, but still, if the article is IN FACT what happened, then I think the charges should be dropped. We’ll see how it plays out, but read the article before you think I’m for beating 12 year olds up.
You should've seen her face. It was the exact same look my father gave me when I told him I wanted to be a ventriloquist.
by mikefromVA on Dec 19, 2011 11:32 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Ugh...now I kind of agree with you.
I have a feeling the charges will be dropped since Milbury’s reaction seems reasonable. Now, to the bullying comment… eh, it’s hockey. What is and isn’t bullying. I have a feeling he grabbed the other kid because of proximity (he may have been closer to the other kid than his own).
It may have been my mistake to not read the article first, but I never insinuated you were for beating up 12-year-olds. So, no need to defend yourself on that account.
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by Turgeon1992 on Dec 19, 2011 11:37 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
No defense necessary
I am for beating up 12 year olds. Do it as often as I can, and don’t even let me near a middle school ;)
You should've seen her face. It was the exact same look my father gave me when I told him I wanted to be a ventriloquist.
Haha. Sometimes they need a good smacking.
Maybe a shake and scream.
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by Turgeon1992 on Dec 19, 2011 11:43 AM EST up reply actions
Milbury
Was he wearing a Santa suit at the time when he was shaking the 12 year old?
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by Fabtraption on Dec 19, 2011 12:07 PM EST up reply actions
I coach youth sports and no you still can't curse at kids and grabbing a kid is a real touchy area.
He would have been in his rights to grab his own kid, but when you grab someone else’s kid you better be sure it is to restrain the kid and not give him a “good” shake. I wasn’t there so there is no other way than through conjecture to assume he was closest to the “other” kid, but you need to allow the refs to handle it in game. In that instance it would be “reasonable” to say that Milbury was right to break up a fight. I have to be careful when breaking up fights amongst kids on my own team when they go overboard and certainly need to show that I remain calm.
However, Milbury cursing at a twelve year old certainly isn’t doing anything to diffuse the situation either. He sounds just like a million other moron hockey parents that go way over the top. Cursing at a kid for "bullying" doesn’t seem like a rationale repsonse either. Taken a step further, he jumped on the ice, which leads me to believe he could have just as easily gone for his own son. Either way it is over the top and could have lead to an escalation of the problem. The guy is simply too high strung.
The only good that has come out of this is that Milbury is mentioned in connection with the Bruins and his role as a television analyst, which further distances him from his tenure with the Islanders.
The article does clear up a lot of information.
During this shootout there were no refs. Milbury was on on-ice to be the goal judge behind the net. I was giving Milbury the benefit of the doubt that perhaps he grabbed the other kid because of proximity since another coach grabbed his kid. Ultimately, this might boil down to: Milbury acted like an ass (cursing at and grabbing a kid not his own), but not enough to actually be charged. I agree that he sounds like a million other moron hockey parents.
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by Turgeon1992 on Dec 19, 2011 12:21 PM EST up reply actions
That would make more sense.
The articles I read did not have that level of detail (and I did look at several sights to find out as much as I could) and the link provided above only gave me about a paragraph before IT blocked my ability to read the rest. I did read that he jumped on the ice, which would appear to be contradictory to him being on the ice as a goal judge.
Now in order for the kid to be jawing at Milbury’s son, I think they still need to be within arms reach. There was no imminent threat if it was “verbal” bullying. The opposing player wasn’t swinging his stick at Milbury’s son’s head. If Mad Mike acted like that towards my kid I’d be waiting for him to “rationally” discuss his actions after the game and I’d take care of my own son in the appropriate manner.
Still, my position holds, if I ever find myself on the same side of an argument with Mike Milbury, I shake my head, relaize I am wrong and immediately take the other side. I’m waiting to see what comes of the purported video.
by Hockey1919 on Dec 19, 2011 12:47 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
That, I still don't understand
From the article I gather that this wasn’t a league game but just something that the Milburys organized, partially on their own dime, to treat the kids. ( Hence the lengthy shootout exhibition after the game ended.) Still – no refs on the ice for that? Uhhhhh…. why wouldn’t you pay those guys a little extra to stick around for that time frame, especially if there had been issues lingering from the game itself? That’s a recipe for trouble.
We may be in the box, but you get the penalty.
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When I was in high school 5yrs ago, I saw many teachers break up fights.
A few of the teachers would literally grab kids by the neck and/or torso to stop them, others would just step in the middle and push one of the kids away, and others would jump in the middle and the fights would stop. All in all, physical touch is usually a necessity to stop kid fights. Cursing isn’t, but I know 2 teachers that were known for cursing occassionally, and both would curse at kids or just curse when breaking fights up.
What Milbury did wasn’t far from the norm, especially if his kid was involved. But if he did “shake” the kid or “give him a talking too with cursing”, then it’s overkill. Nothing crazy, aside from some small criminal charges possibly. I don’t like the guy either, but what he did wasn’t something unusual “it seems”.
What do you mean they won 4 cups in a row? Is that possible?
by OzzyFan on Dec 19, 2011 10:50 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
When I was a teacher
It was an absolute NO-NO to touch a kid in practically any way other than maybe a handshake.
The exception however, was when kids were fighting. The union disagreed (because they didnt want you to get hurt, since the school wouldnt have your back if you did) but administration would understand completely if you jumped in and got kids away from each other- pushing them back from one another, holding them back, etc.
I didnt do much pushing and shoving since I taught 8th grade and everyone was as big as me, but I have stood in between guys who were ready to start fighting. I watched one kid puncture another with a big pen and had to stop it.
And people wonder why Im not still a teacher!
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by TheMetalChick on Dec 20, 2011 12:52 AM EST up reply actions
personally, i wouldn’t ever want to teach elementary or highschool….let some other sucker deal with the little darlings
by CanadianIsleslifer on Dec 20, 2011 10:12 AM EST up reply actions
Teaching middle school was pretty nuts.
By the time they are in HS the really crazy ones drop out… but when its middle school, the cops find em and bring them back to the schools each day.
(It was a Bic pen in my story, BTW- not a big pen.)
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by TheMetalChick on Dec 20, 2011 10:51 AM EST up reply actions
It was in the arm
but O-M-G was it GROSS.
Let Us Go, Islanders! (Ever notice how strange that sounds without the contraction?)
by TheMetalChick on Dec 20, 2011 12:32 PM EST up reply actions
In middle school I saw a kid get stabbed in the arm with a pencil. Broke the tip and left the graphite inside him. Little blood from it happening but not a lot.
Kid still has the graphite in his arm last I saw.
What do you mean they won 4 cups in a row? Is that possible?
Not surprised to see Grabner not on the shootout list
He can’t score on a breakaway to save his life—his breakaways made to attempted ratio must be awfully low. For a guy whose game generates a ton of breakaways, and further that breakaways are now a valuable skill in shootouts, you’d think he’d work harder on that to make the absolute most of those opportunities.
Nino
Thought Nino had some pretty sweet moves in his only attempt even though it was stopped. Could see him taking a regular turn if he can net one or two, and stay in the lineup for more than a few games at a time…
let's just make Grabner do them til he gets good at it
give him his own piece of ice at practice to continually try breakout/shootout moves, that should increase our goal scoring by double right?
You wouldn't believe how good the Corsi is for my NHL 12 Be A Pro player.
haha I was just thinking the same thing
I mean Jesus, if he converted on half of his breakaways the guy would be a monster.
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They should hire
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Took a list of the Overall NHL SO PCt
Looks like Fransie is #1 by .7%, with a minimum of at least 15 attempts.
Whats surprising is that with 10 attempt, Adrian Aucoin is sitting there with a 60% success rate. Didn’t remember him to be quite the dangler. Haven’t watched him in the shoot out, but he did have quite the shot.
You should've seen her face. It was the exact same look my father gave me when I told him I wanted to be a ventriloquist.
I think he has some moves in his bag
If I remember right, I think PHX might’ve even used him against the Isles, where he made some moves (rather than load up a slapshot).
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Where is the link to this? I'd like to look at that chart.
And since we are talking about shootout specialists, the datsyuk must be shown doing what he do!:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pl-hJjsdzaA
What do you mean they won 4 cups in a row? Is that possible?
Here you go - Career SO Numbers.
You should've seen her face. It was the exact same look my father gave me when I told him I wanted to be a ventriloquist.
You should've seen her face. It was the exact same look my father gave me when I told him I wanted to be a ventriloquist.
and that's all for me.
Haha it’s on NHL.Com – Just sort Dom’s link above to All Teams and sort by SO%
You should've seen her face. It was the exact same look my father gave me when I told him I wanted to be a ventriloquist.
interesting tid-bit for ya oz..
Strome recently said in an interview that he sees datsyuk as a model for himself…
by CanadianIsleslifer on Dec 20, 2011 10:13 AM EST up reply actions
drool.
I hope he is good at modeling.
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by TheMetalChick on Dec 20, 2011 10:51 AM EST up reply actions
Especially in chains, right TMC?
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by Fabtraption on Dec 20, 2011 12:30 PM EST up reply actions
Kinda tough for me to picture Strome like that lol.
If I have to pick a ridiculously young player like that Ill stick to Matt Martin!
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by TheMetalChick on Dec 20, 2011 12:33 PM EST up reply actions
He has now become my favorite prospect.
And I hope he models his defensive game and offensive game after him. If Strome ever gets the creativity and hands of Datsyuk, we are in for one hell of a player. Not to mention defensively, we’d get a future selke candidate. lol. Oh yes. No wonder why he did that awesome shootout move in the prospect scrimmage.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QqYbKz65jI8
What do you mean they won 4 cups in a row? Is that possible?
my suggested change to the shootout
I say a player from the defending team starts at the top of the circle and chases the shooter to the goal. He will never catch the shooter but it will prevent stupid tricks like the one Patrick Kane recently performed.
If we have to keep the shootout, then I like it.
Apparently a old-time coach used to put a defender out instead of the goalie. The defender would charge the shooting player putting pressure on him. The NHL made a run that penalty shots must be between a shooter and the goalie. Ha.
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by Turgeon1992 on Dec 19, 2011 11:26 AM EST up reply actions
I've always liked that idea
Since we’re never going to see a time violation, that would create a reasonable amount of urgency and prevent it from replicating a guy screwing around at practice (and pissing off his goalie).
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I like that rule
…since the Isles have the fastest man on skates.
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by North Dakota Red Eagle on Dec 19, 2011 11:54 AM EST up reply actions
One of the Wild's blog on SB nation.............
emphasised that the Isles beat a basically AHL line-up. Ok lets assume that is a little exaggerated, but then by the same token we had a bunch of call-ups skating for us. A Troll [not me] set them straight, but some how we get no respect even when we have beaten a Western leader twice!
To be fair...
…our AHL crew is perhaps better than the players who are out of the lineup.
There are a lot of injuries around the league right now, it seems. If the Isles can win a few more games in Jan/Feb and trade for a defenseman, their depth at forward could end up allowing them to upset more teams down the stretch. (They haven’t even had to call upon Dibo yet, who would be in many team’s lineups with injuries to 2-3 forwards.)
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by North Dakota Red Eagle on Dec 19, 2011 11:59 AM EST up reply actions
agree
Our problems always seem to be changing. For one stretch we have great forwards – but they are not scoring ,but have great potential. Another time we have 3 goalies and then we have two and they are not doing well and then suddenly they have a good stretch. But the D has been weak from the start. The question for Snow is do we really have a shot at the play -offs and if so is he willing to part with some of our talent at forward and or prospects or piks to make it happen. Feb would be too late for us to be buyers. Also would Wanf OK a big salary. For my part I think it would be too little and too late to effect the out-come for this season.
So true, could they just be more consistent or synch up their suckitude.
As I was watching Okposo fly up and down the ice with Nielsen and Grabner, then see the Tavares line out on the ice with Tavares driving around the defense, followed up by a few spirited shifts by Bailey I was thinking the very same thing. The Minnesota announcers even mentioned the Islanders “offensive” depth as they were continually lamenting the Wild’s injury situation and I had to think twice about it.
My wife even asked, "if they have so many “good” players, why are they always losing?" (No, they aren’t always losing, but I digress) I told her because they never seem to have all of their good players going at the same time. There is always a soft spot in the lineup. It isn’t like they all suck at the same time and then all play well at the same time. They’d have more definitive wins and losses, but they would certainly have more wins if everyone peaked and valleyed at the same times.
That’s what sort of gives me hope, the flashes of brilliance should become more sustained as this team matures. We tend to look at our team and think of it as half empty, then you look at the Rangers and you see Dubinsky has 1 goal this season after 24 goals last year and you realize, we used to have one of those too.
You can add...
that none of their really good players play defense.
Hamonic is really good for a 21 year old… but he’s a 21 year old.
Streit was really good… i think he’s being asked to do too much this year.
Macdonald is really good, but he’s been asked to do too much as well.
And then there’s the rest of the crowd.
All the good that has come from the rebuild, pretty much lost on the fact that they have regressed on defense… and the development gap reads as though they will struggle in that area for another three years unless they get help from outside the organization.
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Well the defense sucking part is at this point obvious.
We knew it wasn’t going to be good, I was hoping it wouldn’t be this bad, but they have looked a little bit better the past couple of games. I really think it comes down to the opposing teams forecheck style as much as the defense. In other words, our defense has no control over how good or bad they may look on any given night, they are completely at the mercy of the opposing team’s forwards.
by Hockey1919 on Dec 19, 2011 1:58 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Sins of the Father
I’m torn about the Milbury thing because, however inappropriate his actions were, I feel bad that his kids are clearly being teased for what their dad did/does for a living. It’s fun and fascinating for fans to call Mike out for his rather substantial part in turning this franchise into the NHL’s longest running comedy troupe.
Being picked on is always terrible. Kids will always find something to tease other kids about. But it sucks even worse to have to hear shit because your dad was the worst general manager in the modern history of the NHL and pretty much flushed a team’s glorious history down the toilet. Especially in Massachusetts, where a certain Milbury draft pick just captained the Bruins to a Stanley Cup.
Of course, in the story, Mike says about the kid bringing up the shoe incident, “Thank you, You Tube.” This is typical Milbury of course. We all heard about that video years and years before You Tube existed. I have no sympathy for him living with the consequences of his ridiculous actions.
His kids really shouldn’t have to pay for them, though.
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But all kids hear it for their parents.
I remember people making fun of one girl because her dad had a big beard, another because her mom always volunteered at school, all sorts of reasons. I remember people whispering because my parents were divorced (if you can believe it but its true) and thinking there must be something wrong with my mom because I lived with my dad, and kids giggling because my dad drove an old Chevy Nova that looked and sounded like it belonged to a 17yo trying to impress girls lol.
Granted none of them are on you tube, but the end product is the same- practically all kids hear it because of their parents.
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by TheMetalChick on Dec 19, 2011 12:54 PM EST up reply actions
Actually...
besides Brazilian lesbians, Argentinian lesbians are the best. Well… that’s if you go by their CORSI… I prefer scouting observations to statistical analysis… but when it Rome Rio.
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But all kids hear it for their parents.
I remember people making fun of one girl because her dad had a big beard, another because her mom always volunteered at school, all sorts of reasons. I remember people whispering because my parents were divorced (if you can believe it but its true) and thinking there must be something wrong with my mom because I lived with my dad, and kids giggling because my dad drove an old Chevy Nova that looked and sounded like it belonged to a 17yo trying to impress girls lol.
Granted none of them are on you tube, but the end product is the same- practically all kids hear it because of their parents.
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by TheMetalChick on Dec 19, 2011 12:59 PM EST up reply actions
You would think he would own that whole shoe banging incident.
His own employer NBC broadcast the incident during the Winter Classic a couple of years ago. If they were my kids, by now they would laugh at the very mention of it, “Yep, my Dad was crazy bastard that climbed into the stands to beat a guy with his own shoe, did you see it on NBC?”
I found a video on youtube from TSN where Milbury discusses the incident.
He doesn’t seem remorseful or embarrassed, but kind of laughing off a crazy incident. The only person to be mad at is himself. The incident is widely documented. You can’t blame the kid because you were an idiot 30+ years ago.
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I've seen it with my daughter...
Where it’s obvious that some parents just don’t get it. I can laugh at the kids who are hyper-aggressive, and the parents who are taunting their own kids to be, basically, more violent.
Smudge has played rec and tournament BB for three years… and we see it all the time. Last year she played in a tournament where one of the parents from the other team was litterally telling his daughter to “HIT HER”.
Obviously, my 65lb daughter didn’t pose a threat to their 110 pounder… and my daughter laughed it off… but I’m pretty sure they would have had more of an issue with Smudge’s 250 lb dad. Luckily, my daughter is way more mature than her father.
I said this when the story first broke, and I’ll stand by it after reading the article. It was blown out of proportion by JACKASS PARENTS. But I’d still like to see Milbury crucified by the media… because the irony of the situation is priceless.
Especially that he sent his “teary eyed” son back to the locker room. Yes, he’s propagating the WUSSIFICATION of pee wee hockey!
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Hey Dom, do you happen to have stats on Nielsen from this season alone?
To my recollection, Saturday was the first time Nielsen converted. I think every goalie in the league knows about the Backhand of Judgment by now. If he cheated to the back hand a bit and came back forehand he’d probably catch someone sleeping.
Also I didn’t realize PAP’s numbers were as good. But how many of them were as a Rag? I seem to remember at least one, and I think it was against the Isles.
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He hasn't converted, but he hasn't been using the backhand of judgement either.
If I recall correctly he has gone forehand on all of his attempts this season in an effort to change it up.
He did go backhand in the shootout prior to this one, I think
Goalie was waiting for it and snuffed him.
We may be in the box, but you get the penalty.
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I know of at least two occasions this season where he wnet forehand.
I should have said he has not consistenly gone backhand of judgement.
Yeah, I definitely remember him going backhand at least once this season, but I have not been able to watch every game so I don’t know how often.
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Forehand/Backhand
I believe he went to the forehand once and the backhand once this season and failed both times.
He scored on the forehand last season.
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by DP'sknee(andhipandflubugandotherknee) on Dec 19, 2011 2:07 PM EST up reply actions
Correct.
He tried one of each before the backhand cast its judgment this game.
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by TheMetalChick on Dec 20, 2011 1:00 AM EST up reply actions
Yes
Here is the full sheet.
Only three shootouts so far, Nielsen being the only one to convert (1 out of 3 attempts). I’m pretty sure he went forehand the first time, backhand the second.
The others: Tavares is 0 for 2, Parenteau, Nino and Moulson are each 0 for 1. And that’s it so far for 2011-12.
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Isles ticket package email
You wouldn't believe how good the Corsi is for my NHL 12 Be A Pro player.
Wonders of Photoshop?
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The link was to Bar Stool Sports, Boston
So who knows. Looks fishy to me. Maybe someone who got the original email could chime in here?
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That is
depressing
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That woman in the middle
looks like Sweet Dee in about 20 years.
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by Fabtraption on Dec 19, 2011 4:35 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
WTF? That cant be real.
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by TheMetalChick on Dec 20, 2011 1:01 AM EST up reply actions
It’s interesting that Tavares is a better passer than he was hyped to be at the draft, and not quite the sniper that his reputation carried. His hands are magic, but are not lethal when in tight with the goaltender. I still think he has the capacity to make the right moves in the shootout, but whether he overthinks it or doesn’t sell it, etc., he has work to do there.
I think JT waits too long in the shootout. There have been a number of SO chances where he didnt even get a good shot off- because he waits too long and goes in too close and either the goalie poke chacks him or he just runs out of room.If JT starts shooting earlier, I think he will have more SO success.
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May 24, 1980: Tonelli to Nystrom. At long last, the steady build of the New York Islanders from expansion doormat to surprise semifinalist to annual contender reaches the promised land: Buoyed by a late season trade for Butch Goring that gave the team the depth up the middle GM Bill Torrey had been seeking, the Islanders knock off the Philadelphia Flyers in six games.
The victory justified the faith in coach Al Arbour who guided them from their second season to their first Stanley Cup seven seasons later. The Islanders would not be the first expansion team to win the Stanley Cup, but they would be the only one capable of a dynasty.
1980-81
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May 21, 1981: This time it was much easier. After falling to "only" 91 points in the 1979-80 season, the Islanders returned to their division title tradition, piling up 110 points -- a whole 13 points over second-place Philadelphia.
Between the quarterfinals (where they beat the upstart Oilers in six games) and the finals, the Islanders reeled off eight consecutive wins -- with a four-game sweep of archrival Rangers in between. As they defeated the Minnesota North Stars in five games for their second Cup, their goal difference in the final was a combined +10.
1981-82
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May 16, 1982: Another year, another landslide title. The Islanders won the Patrick Division by a whopping 26 points over the second-place Rangers, and were seven points clear of their nearest competition for the President's Trophy, the still-not-quite-ripe Edmonton Oilers.
A first-round scare against the Pittsburgh Penguins turned in the Isles' favor thanks to John Tonelli's heroics, and a true dynasty was on its way: Past the Rangers in six games, then an eight-game sweep of the Quebec Nordiques and Vancouver Canucks to run away with the Stanley Cup.
1982-83
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May 17, 1983: Not so fast, whipper-snappers. The Edmonton Oilers' steadily rising challenge for league supremacy took them all the way to the finals for the first time, where the New York Islanders summarily dispatched them in a four-game sweep. For the Islanders, the Dynasty was secured. For the Oilers, it was a powerful lesson in where talent ends and the demands of playoff hockey begin.
Four years, four Cups, 16 consecutive playoff series wins (a record that would grow to 19 until the rematch with the Oilers the following year). Mike Bossy scored 60 goals yet again, and Wayne Gretzky became acquainted with Billy Smith's crease.
