Staios Out with Possible Concussion; Ness/deHaan to get call?
Because of work I don't get to write much anymore but I thought most of us would find this interesting.
This makes sense and makes one wonder how long he has played with these symptoms.I keep hearing what a trooper Staios is but I saw a player constantly pinching and out of position. In the past few games his overplaying has cost us too many goals.
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Id rather have Staios playing than Mottau or Eaton.
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by TheMetalChick on Dec 14, 2011 10:06 PM EST up reply actions
Me too. Eaton has been a dissappointment so far, and Mottau...yea
Been waiting for this kid for a while though. CDH! CDH! CDH!
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What about Wishart
Why does he seem to get overlooked as a call-up lately?
I would think he would be the more logical and safer choice for the isles right now no?
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He would have to clear waivers if he were sent back down
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by CloseCallJiggs on Dec 14, 2011 10:40 PM EST up reply actions
you would think but
since when do the islanders do logical?
by ripcurl2121 on Dec 14, 2011 10:58 PM EST up reply actions
If he doesn’t stay with the team then the isles.risk losing him to waivers then people complain that we gave roloson away for nothing. That’s the logical thing.
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by Turgeon1992 on Dec 14, 2011 11:54 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I love Roli but he's showing his age
Down to .882 sv% and yanked in three of his last seven games. Since beating Pittsburgh on Nov 17, holds an unfathomable .829 sv% and 5.23 GAA. That we got Wishart from the deal looks rather like a steal if he even becomes a serviceable seventh.
Of course to do that, he kind of needs to be on the Islanders, not the Sound Tigers. I hope he gets the chance now.
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Well, technically we got him for nothing.
Its not like we traded for him, we gave him a contract as a FA.
And its not like we got nothing from him being here, he was a good Islander.
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by TheMetalChick on Dec 15, 2011 12:22 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
My point is that if Wishart comes up but doesn't stick, to go back to the AHL he must be exposed to waivers.
If he ends up on another team, then we have ultimately traded Roli for nothing since we would lose the player we got in the trade.
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If he can't stick with this defense, what is the risk of losing him to waivers?
The logic is he isn’t good enough, but we certainly don’t want to lose him. I gues we can be patient for one more season, but pretty soon he’ll have missed his chance to contribute either way.
I pray to god for Ness's health if he gets the call-up.
5’10’’ 170lbs could be really bad given our team’s injury issues and the huge bodies in the nhl. And no less, if we bring him up against the stars, one of the more physical teams in the nhl.
Hope for DeHaan anyway. He’s got the higher upside and should be nhl ready by now. But I worry how he’ll look and honestly think he was overdrafted and could very well be a dud given his ohl statistical progress over his career/size-strength so far/eye-test.
I do find this whole think really sad though, 2 of our starting top 4 d-man are now injured. FML. Great job bringing in depth on D garth! And Ioved the upgrade of Martinek/Hillen to Staios. Genius!
What do you mean they won 4 cups in a row? Is that possible?
Martinek's hurt again
and I’m going to go out on a limb and guess that Hillen wanted more then a 1 year deal by this point.
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Who is better an injured Martinek or an Injured Staios?
We should have the Islanders injured reserve compete against the rest of the league to see who would come out on top. The Pens may not have the depth, but with Crosby they have a really strong IR.
by Hockey1919 on Dec 15, 2011 11:52 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
This sounds like a trick question
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by Keith Quinn on Dec 15, 2011 8:30 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Whats the sound of one shoulder dislocating? Or a hamstring pulling... or a head concussing...
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by TheMetalChick on Dec 15, 2011 9:57 PM EST up reply actions
Just to throw another name out...
How about Matt Donovan? I haven’t watched any SoundTigers games so I can’t speak for overall performances, but Donovan, Wishart, De Haan, and Ness all have produced relatively the same statistics.
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I've seen some games...
Wishart is the most ready, but I think he is defying some rules of physicality. They want him to be something he just doesn’t want to be.
deHaan is number two. He’ll be a good puck mover and play well in his own zone… but they might be afraid that a good check will end his career.
Ness has been a very good puck mover at the AHL level… but he makes Hillen look like Chris Pronger.
Donovan has the potential to be the best of the AHL rookie crop, but he has regressed some from last year. It’s probably playing in three systems in 6 months, with countless partners. He had Ness this year because they played together in the US development league. He’s gonna need Jurcina as a partner when he starts… Think Amac with more offensive upside.
Then there’s Klementyev. For developments sake, he woudl be my choice. He’d give them Eaton level defense without costing development time for the other younger-sters.
Given all of that, I think I’d go with Wishart and Klementeyev. But they can barely afford to let one D go from BPT. Their season is falling apart with all the callups, and it’s important that they make the playoffs too.
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is pretty young still too. He’s the same age as Donovan and Ness, and only a year older then Cizikas and De Haan.
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by Mark D on Dec 15, 2011 9:08 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Yup
Klementyev seems a couple of years older to people than he really is because he was eligible to play in the AHL at 18 instead of 20.
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by TheMetalChick on Dec 15, 2011 9:45 AM EST up reply actions
Age v Pro experience
I realize his age, but this is his third year in the AHL. He also had an NHL showing and he didn’t look too bad with limited exposure. It’s moot point now that deHaan has been recalled.
Let’s keep our fingers crossed!
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Good point.
Id also be onboard with Klementyev coming up here.
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by TheMetalChick on Dec 15, 2011 12:11 PM EST up reply actions
Thanks for the informative scouting report.
I have a better sense of who these prospects are now.
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Isles Put DiPi on IR
Not sure if anyone saw this. It’s on the NYI website
Figured they would
Unlike teams at or near the cap ceiling, whether a player here is on IR or not from one day to the next is not as big of a deal.
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by TheMetalChick on Dec 15, 2011 10:04 AM EST up reply actions
IR
only affects roster spots, not the total salary, no? I thought guys on IR count against the cap, just ones on long term IR don’t.
In our case, DP on IR could actually be a useful thing at some point. It would allow us to roster 23 players, but still have his salary on the books, keeping us above the floor.
by afrosupreme on Dec 15, 2011 10:13 AM EST up reply actions
A players caphit counts against the cap regardless of whether he is on IR. Short term or long term, their caphit doesnt not count at any point.
The IR thing affects cap ceiling teams. If your team is pressed against the ceiling, putting a player on IR allows the cap-pressed team to go over the ceiling by the emount of caphit they have placed on IR. That does not matter to the Islanders because the Isles have nothing BUT cap room.
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by TheMetalChick on Dec 15, 2011 10:20 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
If your team is pressed against the ceiling, putting a player on IR allows the cap-pressed team to go over the ceiling by the emount of caphit they have placed on IR.
That’s what I’m talking about-I’m pretty sure that is only with regards to LTIR players.
by afrosupreme on Dec 15, 2011 10:46 AM EST up reply actions
Im pretty sure the only difference between IR and LTIR has to do with length of time and sending a player to the AHL for conditioning. I believe they work the same capwise. Maybe there are differences in taxes and insurance and things like that but nothing else I know of.
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by TheMetalChick on Dec 15, 2011 12:26 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
There’s a loophole that in essence lets teams exceed the cap by using it. Explained pretty well here.
The Caps are doing it with Poti as well. Seems like quite a few teams use it.
by afrosupreme on Dec 15, 2011 12:36 PM EST up reply actions
Yup, thats what I was referring to saying that IR allows a cap-pressed team to go over the ceiling by the amount of caphit they have placed on IR. But that (obviously) doesnt apply to the Isles.
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by TheMetalChick on Dec 15, 2011 12:38 PM EST up reply actions
Serious Question. Seriously...
If you’re Rick, at what point does retirement become a very real possibility? It’s got to close, right? I mean, how many times can you be placed on IR in one season, let alone five or six? And when he did play this year, it’s not like he was a brick wall out there.
Again, not trying to start the usual “DP Sucks/Give DP a chance” debate, just curious.
My totally fabricated guess: after the Islanders sign Neilsen, Parenteau, Montoya and whoever to extensions and don’t need his cap hit, Rick hangs ’em up. Which would be sad on about 1,000 different levels.
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by PGI on Dec 15, 2011 10:29 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I think we're starting to see it sink in to his head
DiPietro’s demeanor has been completely different this year than in years past. He seems humbled to even have the opportunity to continue playing NHL hockey anymore, or at least that’s what I’ve gathered from his interviews.
I know this might seem dumb, but his epic beard’ing this season could also be a sign that he’s not the same anymore. I always remember him being a clean-shaven young kid, and now that he looks like a homeless bum, maybe he’s finally realizing that he’s no longer the same player he used to be.
Either way, his career is really tragic. I still believe he’d be a great face for the franchise in another position off the ice. He’s still incredibly well-liked.
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by Fabtraption on Dec 15, 2011 10:36 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
When the new CBA gets written
Not too long from now a new CBA will get written that will probabaly reduce contracts to 7 years and allow a one time buy-out that does not extend the cap for twice the duration of the contract. At least that has been my guess.
Limits would be great- but I sincerely hope not (on the 2nd part).
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by TheMetalChick on Dec 15, 2011 12:12 PM EST up reply actions
From Staple today:
Steve Staios, whose play has been as steady and effective as any Islanders defenseman the last three weeks, is out indefinitely with a possible concussion suffered in Tuesday’s 5-3 loss to the Canadiens.
That’s pretty damning of the few who are actually decent players.
I wonder if this happened when Staios got boarded at the end of the Hawks game...
….when he took that D.o.G. penalty, but nothing was called for ramming his head against the boards. The replay looks brutal- his head snapped into, and then back out of the boards…but he got up relatively quickly which is probably why nothing got called.
I didn’t notice any big hits in the Habs game, but if he sustained the trauma against the Hawks, it could have been a simple bump during warm ups that scrambled his noggin enough to be put on IR.
Sadly, it also scrambled his noggin enough to make some bone-headed plays during that game which cost the team dearly.
Ugh, depressing news all around. I’m not the biggest Staios fan, but he has been relatively steady, and would have been a great depth signing….if he was able to be the depth guy and not top pair.
Crossing my fingers CDH is this years’ T.H. Let’s go Islanders.
by Nyisles82 on Dec 15, 2011 11:59 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Just announced that Poulin and DeHaan have been recalled on emergency loan.....
by Tazman19 on Dec 15, 2011 10:33 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
DeHaan...Cool; Poulin....Head scratch
Will be interesting to watch DeHaan in NHL debute, but why are they calling up Poulin. Is Nabo or Montoya hurt?
by JoRiverside on Dec 15, 2011 10:40 AM EST up reply actions
Nabokov experienced "discomfort" yesterday, according to Staple
Maybe his helmet was on too tight.
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Cappy said the other day that they wanted to give Nabby some extra time (even though he's practicing)
I’m guessing this is the case here.
No Sleep 'til....Belmont?
So....
why the fuck was Nabokov on the bench on Tuesday night if he wasn’t ready to play tonight? And why was Poulin returned to Bridgeport on Monday? And why was a clearly exhausted Al Montoya allowed to start on Tuesday night?
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by Fabtraption on Dec 15, 2011 10:42 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
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All of these are very good questions.
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Did Poulin get a start in BPT?
Figure get him a game in and “hope” Nabokov isn’t needed. Not the first time they’ve bluffed their way through a backup goaltender.
So…. why the fuck was Nabokov on the bench on Tuesday night if he wasn’t ready to play tonight? And why was Poulin returned to Bridgeport on Monday? And why was a clearly exhausted Al Montoya allowed to start on Tuesday night?
Guess they thought he was ready, then he wasnt. Groin injuries are like that, though.
I cannot explain why Poulin was returned before Montreal, though… the only explanation I have is that they wanted to keep giving Montoya a chance to redeem himself after a couple of less than stellar games.
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by TheMetalChick on Dec 15, 2011 12:40 PM EST up reply actions
there were two days off between games
It’s not like they were going back-to-back nights with Montoya.
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So
think they actually play Poulin? Wouldn’t mind seeing that.
by afrosupreme on Dec 15, 2011 10:48 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
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