Recap - Canadiens 5 (EN), Islanders 3: Late comeback wasted
The New York Islanders lost to an average Montreal Canadiens team mired in the crowded bubble between 6th and 12th place in the East, and regulation losses like that are why they are where they are, and why climbing out of their first-quarter hole looks so daunting.
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A nice goal by Josh Bailey and a net-foraging tally by John Tavares in the third period made it 3-3 and gave them new life that they probably didn't deserve, and they coughed that two-goal comeback up just 2:17 later on a game-winner by ex Islander Petteri Nokelainen of all people.
They did outshoot the Canadiens 32-29 thanks to the third-period comeback push (15-8), but it almost seemed that took what they had left in the tank. Nokelainen's goal came on a Habs line change and a frankly seeing-eye blast off the post, but Lars Eller was allowed too much time to feed him, with the entire Islanders five on the ice for a long shift.
Game Highlights
Game Notes
Too Many Miles on This Toyota? Al Montoya has looked weaker in recent games. He had a very nice second period tonight to keep them in the game, but most goalies will give you a period or two. The first two Canadiens goals were on the softer side, but more subtly he appears to be relying on the belly flop or stumbling on to the butt flop/snow angel more often lately.
Perhaps a sign of eroding fundamentals? Perhaps a sign of fatigue, of relying on physical "crutches" rather than the more energy-intensive adherence to cutting the percentages as much as possible rather than hoping for the bounces? He may need some Sudsie time, or merely some rest. Hopefully Evgeni Nabokov is ready and able to give the Cubano a break.
Toyota, the Abused: The Canadiens were allowed to repeatedly run or carelessly crash Al Montoya, and why not? It's not like the officials were too concerned, so lacking any deterrence the Habs carried on. Naturally, after ignoring this for 40 minutes, the game got chipper by the third. Too predictably, the one time any contact with the goalie was called when: 1) P.A. Parenteau was penalized for interfering with Nokelainen in the slot, knocking a speeding Nokelainen down where he would slide into a leaping Montoya; 2) When Louis LeBlanc wrestled with Dylan Reese enough to at least accelerate a Reese contact with Montoya's head -- but the officials called coincidentals after Parenteau shoved LeBlanc after the whistle.
Neither case did anything to address the real issue (and you couldn't help thinking the LeBlanc-Parenteau call was a double-makeup). Both instances proved you're damned if you do, damned if you don't. The referees won't protect the goalie, but if you interfere with the crease-rushing forward you risk making it worse, and if you bother to retaliate you're just going to the box anyway.
Interestingly, in the Rangers 1-0 loss to Dallas, the refs were more concerned about protecting goalies who leave their crease rather than goalies who are just minding what's theirs. Excellent.
Continued Ineptitude with the Sixth Attacker: Have the Islanders looked like they can create -- much less sustain -- pressure with the goalie pulled this season? I actually didn't mind early goalie pulls when down by two goals earlier in the season, IF they could actually demonstrate they knew what to do. But they don't. Tonight's harmless dump in and failure to follow it up with pressure was either poor communication, poor execution, or both. Hal Gill's soft-dump goal from his own zone was all too easy.
Special Teams Loss: The Islanders only had two powerplays, one very early, but both were impotent. One shot, total. Hardly any zone time. Milan Jurcina probably had the best chance, down low. The penalty kill almost held serve, but it conceded 12 shots on four Habs tries, and a tight set play by the Canadiens what looked at the time like a back-breaking insurance goal 31 seconds into the third period.
Pretty Goal I -- Matt Moulson opened scoring on a lovely play by the first line, with John Tavares applying pressure to force a turnover in the Habs zone, P.A. Parenteau intercepting and threading a pass to an open Matt Moulson, who caught Carey Price swinging too far his way, leaving the net open for a backhand tuck.
Pretty Goal II -- Flash of Bailey, Flash of Rolston: Josh Bailey had another pretty solid game, earning 14:35 including almost two minutes of PK. His goal was a nice positional move to get open in the slot followed by a great pull to the backhand to score past Carey Price.
Brian Rolston also made a very nice play on Bailey's goal (as did Mike Mottau on the first pass ... and David Ullstrom to help create the turnover), but Rolston also made plays that show why fans get frustrated with him. His old head still sees the game faster than his body. In the second period, he saw an opening up the left lane to rush the puck out of the Islanders zone ... only to pull up at the Canadiens blueline to avoid a big check by P.K. Subban, giving up the puck and inadvertently feeding an odd-man rush for the Canadiens. Eyes bigger than stomach. Simple, fundamental play (get it in deep) ignored.
Speaking of old men, Steve Staios made some nice defensive plays, but often they were in desperation to cover for situations created by his own weaknesses. The first goal completely exposed him, as Andrei Kostitsyn easily banked the puck around him, then beat Staios to the puck again while David Ullstrom focused on keeping Chris Campoli from winning the loose puck. Perhaps Ullstrom could have released Campoli and tried to take the puck, but he shouldn't have needed to.
MSG Post-Game
Coverage via the Isles MSG coverage page...
Capuano: Penalty killing "alright" but "major breakdown on the goal" ...
Dylan Reese and Josh Bailey on the game:
Post-Script
Super-super minus: Time Warner Cable, which did not have the MSG+2 (twice the plus!) feed available for several viewers during much of the first period, and blamed MSG. Whichever corporate bastard is responsible, just figure it out already. This season is almost 30 games old.
We may add more links/clips to this post as appropriate. You can add organized plus/minus points to the instant-reaction +/- thread, or riff away here. But file this one away as another opportunity lost, another thin margin exposed with Montoya not his best and Andrew MacDonald still on the shelf.
The Islanders host the Stars Thursday night, then begin a brief road trip in Minnesota Saturday. They have two to three games in hand on several teams above them, but are nine points out of eighth, with the halfway mark less than a month away.
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Horrible. Horrible. Horrible
Woke up at 5:45am and didn’t get home till 9:30pm from work. So excited to watch this game on dvr and now am pissed I stayed up. WE ARE SOFT AND CAN NOT FINISH “EASY” OPPORTUNITIES. I hope they can somehow take the next 3 to keep things interesting.
DP will be good again... written 9/6/11. Now thats a prediction truly believed!
by themass on Dec 14, 2011 12:46 AM EST via mobile reply actions
Did you see a lot of "easy" opps missed or soft plays made?
I just saw mistakes and misfortune, including possibly Staios adding to the screen on the game-winner (not mentioned above, but caught on NHL On The Fly highlights).
Lighthouse Hockey: A flute with no holes is not a flute. A Dane with no holes is Frans Nielsen.
Right on about soft
it’s a constant theme this season. Garth was a tough goalie, you think he’d sign some kind of toughness. I’m not talking about just fighting either,
"We can't get pushed around," Haley said. "What commentators say about us, that's their job. My job is to try and limit as many people who want to take liberties with our guys as possible."
by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Dec 14, 2011 6:27 AM EST up reply actions
I totally saw the softness.
Look at the 1st period. Not only was their no hitting but the everyone on the ice
looked like they were skating at 25% speed. Also Streit has not looked right.
Not sure if he is injured or tired.
by The Danish Backhand of Judgement on Dec 14, 2011 7:32 AM EST up reply actions
I wish they would keep Haley in the lineup for a while...
He provides spark and toughness…
NO!!
We need Reasoner. And pandalfo is coming back.
I actually saw Bailey and Ullstrom throw the body early in the game a couple times.
It’s amazing, all the other teams can have some toughness, but somehow, we’re too good for that. How do you put together a team and the onlt guy whoever wanst to hit is Matt Martin.
DON’T WORRY, IN ANOTHER WEEK OR TWO, OR MAYBE A MONTH WE MIGHT GET TO SEE GILLIES AND HALEY WHEN THEY NEED TO SELL SOME TICKETS. BET ON IT.
"We can't get pushed around," Haley said. "What commentators say about us, that's their job. My job is to try and limit as many people who want to take liberties with our guys as possible."
by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Dec 14, 2011 11:08 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah, I can understand losing
But i can’t understand when you get bullied by the Habs. I draw the line there.
Especially when we won 4 cups being tough as nails.
"We owe him a lot more than he owes us at this point. He's been stellar all year. He still gave us a chance to win this one, and we've got to find a way."
—C Josh Bailey, on G Al Montoya after a 5-3 loss Tuesday in Montreal.
by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Dec 14, 2011 2:04 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
I am 100% probably reading too much into a post game interview but anyone else sense a bit of disappointment in Montoya from Cappy?
Frustratingly, he seemed to be okay with the effort tonight (I thought we weren’t very good except for the rush in the 3rd) but he kept making mention to how Montreal just found ways to put the puck in the net and then continues to commend the team for “battling back”
He’s obviously right to be disappointed in Montoya but he very rarely condemns players too much or congratulates them either, just stays overly neutral overall. I don’t really know what point I’m trying to make here, just found it interesting and wondered if anyone else thought the same.
by BaltimoreIslander on Dec 14, 2011 12:47 AM EST via mobile reply actions
I know exactly what you are saying.
These post games have been getting me kind of annoyed. This overt neutrality.
Only one time has his demeanor really fit what happened in the game (The one post game where he got really pissed). Im not saying he should call out the team every game.
Or maybe the Cappy knows how fragile the psyche of the team is and doesn’t want to get to negative on them. OR MAYBE SnowWang are censoring Cappy under a threat to silence him just like they did to the Jaffe (Sorry for the conspiracy theory thrown in).
by The Danish Backhand of Judgement on Dec 14, 2011 7:40 AM EST up reply actions
Or he doesn't want to burn any bridges before he's crossed them
I gotta say, I don’t understand the idea that Capuano has to Hulk-out after losses. How often to coaches in any sport do that? Let alone coaches who just passed their one-calendar-year anniversary. Maybe Garth or Wang is stifling him. Or maybe Jack is stifling himself because getting pissed off on television isn’t going to make his powerplay any more or less anemic than it already is. Or make three of his defensemen any younger.
Yeah, Tortorella can say crazy shit and get into arguments with Larry Brooks and make snarky comments about players. Tortorella also has a Stanley Cup ring. He’s also been fired from two jobs (including the Rangers the first time around), which I’m sure had at least a little something to do with his fiery personality.
Terry Murray is as dull as dishwater, but he just got fired and will probably be re-hired by another young team that management thinks needs to learn fundamentals. People are upset about his firing. He’s not a bad coach but he had taken that team as far as he could and they were regressing despite bringing in serious talent.
Former Islanders coach Bill Stewart was mentioned the other day, and I was reminded of my other favorite moment during his short tenure. After a loss to the Rangers, he said something like they lost because, “look at the players we have here.” He was fired right after the season.
Yeah, it’d be nice for Jack to just rip someone or everyone a new one during the post game. But it most likely won’t happen. Jacques Lemaire can get away with that. Lindy Ruff can get away with that. Jack Capuano, 4,000th head coach of the Islanders, can’t. Unless he wants to be fired and go back to Maine to open up a Dick’s Sporting Goods.
"He's depriving some small village of a pretty good idiot" - Mike Milbury on Ziggy Palffy's agent. On Twitter: @Dan_of_Science
by PGI on Dec 14, 2011 10:41 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
FRAGILE, did you say (not meaning you TDBOJ) FRAGILE?
I am tired of hearing this from Cappy or anyone in the organization! Damn it if some of the players you have on the ice are considered FRAGILE, put figure skates on them and make them ICE GIRLS. WTF? FRAGILE is not a word I want to hear in connection with the RE-BUILD!
We are all Islanders, even if we’re from Jersey!
by Russel Ginart on Dec 14, 2011 12:28 PM EST up reply actions
I think it's rather simple
Players are being asked to do way more than they can handle… and it’s hurting the rest of the team.
Montoya has been great for us. He gave us hope last year, and is once again the best goalie we have available. But no goalie playing in his first full NHL season should be asked to bring the FOCUS every night. He ahs played every game since 11/25. Having Nabokov back should help relieve that pressure. Even if they go on a 3:1 rotation, it’s better than watching El Cubano get smoked.
There is no way Mottau is an every day defenseman… he’s not even an ANY DAY defenseman in the NHL. But he would probably survive as a third pair limited game guy for the rest of the season. They need to sign somebody or bring up deHaan.
Staios is showing what Dom had mentioned before. Even though he has been a pretty good defender, he is being asked to do way too much. When MacDonald gets back I’d have him as the a third pair guy… and in the press box rotation with Eaton, Mottau and Reese.
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The Islanders need a healthy golatender rotation
no goalie playing in his first full NHL season should be asked to bring the FOCUS every night
On any given night, based on the comments on even sane sites like LHH, you would think that he should. The crazy people that thought it was a good idea to not overplay him and see what we have after a pretty good 20 game run were not Montoya haters. They were giving him a fair opportunity to grow into his role and not going on wishful thinking and small sample size.
Montoya is still the Islanders best hope for stability in goal, but “Capuano should just start Montoya” is not a coaching or asset management strategy. I’d rather see the Islanders lose a game with Nabokov and DiPi in net, if it means Montoya is fresh for a win than to run him into the ground to give yourself a “chance” to win. He is anew goaltender to the NHL ranks and there are no soft nights getting peppered by AHL shooters for 35 plus shots that would beat a Junior goaltender, but no chance a pro.
by Hockey1919 on Dec 14, 2011 8:50 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Of course...
you need a #2 to do that. Dipietro is a ghost… and Nabby has been sidelined. Nabby needs a start or two while Al recharges his batteries. Then I’d go 3:1 for the rest of the season if they both stay healthy. When Rick comes back… just waste the roster spot in the press box. There is a problem with over-use, but there is a worse problem with UNDER-USE when the third option fires pucks up the middle of the ice, and gives up the first shot almost every night.
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We had 3 to start the season, but every game Montoya didn't start was a conspiracy.
by Hockey1919 on Dec 14, 2011 9:03 AM EST up reply actions 3 recs
I saw that as a concern...
just as much as the next guy. But maybe for different reasons.
1. IMHO Montoya has earned #1 consideration from last year… and didn’t deserve equal treatment among the three. Ricky has been grossly inconsistent, and Nabby hadn’t done anything in the NHL for a while.
2. The starts were ALL v NONE for a while. I thought that it should have been 2M+1N+2M+1D(assess performance and repeat, giving 1M start to either Nabokov or Dipietro), so in this instance the second cycle would ahve looked 2M+2N+1M+1D… and if Dipietro hadn’t earned a start in the next cycle… see ya in BPT kid.
But injuries played a role, and then DP’s absolute suckitude played a bigger role. I think they will need to keep Nabby now.. and DP (if he returns) comes back on the outside looking in. Whether that is in the press box wasting a roster spot, or in BPT taking away development time from Poulin and Nilsson is an organizational decision. I personally wouldn’t have him play another NHL game until he played his way past Poulin or Nilsson on the depth chart.
Meritocracy all the way.
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@JPinVA
by JPinVA on Dec 14, 2011 9:35 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Sp JP, you don't agree "he was injured"
And he was being treated equal to people he was obviosuly better than. At least at that particular time?
"We owe him a lot more than he owes us at this point. He's been stellar all year. He still gave us a chance to win this one, and we've got to find a way."
—C Josh Bailey, on G Al Montoya after a 5-3 loss Tuesday in Montreal.
by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Dec 14, 2011 3:29 PM EST up reply actions
Montoya went on IR 11/19 and was back 11/24
IR is minimum 7 days from time of injury, so he had to have been declared injured retroactive to at least as early as the 17th. The last game he appeared in was the 10th against Colorado, which is most likely the game he was injured.
by Hockey1919 on Dec 14, 2011 4:05 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
yeah, I'm talking about October
When everybody here was saying:
OH, I’m sure Montoya got his starts, now DP will gets his, then Nabby.
That’s what I’m talking about.
"We owe him a lot more than he owes us at this point. He's been stellar all year. He still gave us a chance to win this one, and we've got to find a way."
—C Josh Bailey, on G Al Montoya after a 5-3 loss Tuesday in Montreal.
by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Dec 14, 2011 4:40 PM EST up reply actions
OH, I’m sure Montoya got his starts, now DP will gets his, then Nabby.
That’s what I’m talking about.
Thats not how it went. So youre talking about it, but getting it wrong. Like usual.
Let Us Go, Islanders! (Ever notice how strange that sounds without the contraction?)
by TheMetalChick on Dec 15, 2011 10:00 AM EST up reply actions
To start the season?
Al and Nabby got 4 starts each, and DP three to start the season. Nabby came out for the shootout in his last start, but since DP started the three after that, it stands to reason he was slated to start them anyway.
Are you just pointing out he had the order wrong?
by afrosupreme on Dec 15, 2011 10:19 AM EST up reply actions
He had the order wrong and they all didnt get the same number of starts.
And for fucks sake it was the start of the season. The Islanders organization would have been IDIOTS if they didnt even give these guys each a couple of games to see WTF they had in all three of them before they started deciding who should get more starts. I am sick and tired of people making this into such a huge gigantic deal. Then he goes off about Montoya not being injured and giving ME shit when Im not even posting here, and it all just gets stupid. He is being a giant douche.
Let Us Go, Islanders! (Ever notice how strange that sounds without the contraction?)
by TheMetalChick on Dec 15, 2011 12:18 PM EST up reply actions
I’m not arguing that, but I have seen you say pretty often in regards to this specifically that it didn’t happen. I think you make a fair point that Isles needed to know what they had (I don’t agree, I think we already knew what we had in DP), but the fact of the matter is DP did play over a healthy Al for 3 games at the beginning of the year.
by afrosupreme on Dec 15, 2011 12:30 PM EST up reply actions
Yup, he started three games at the very start of the season- right after Montoya and Nabokov both got starts first, and after Nabokov was injured. But youd think that he lost all three games by the hysteria over it months later. He looked fine (in those games anyway) and then still didnt get more starts until the injuries continued to hit. Why those three games where he earned points matter so much to people, I have no idea. Once all three of them got starts, Rick was obviously third string out of the three of them. But people still argue over it.
Let Us Go, Islanders! (Ever notice how strange that sounds without the contraction?)
by TheMetalChick on Dec 15, 2011 1:00 PM EST up reply actions
And no I did not "argue that it never happened". You kept TELLING me I was doing that- which is not the same thing.
Let Us Go, Islanders! (Ever notice how strange that sounds without the contraction?)
by TheMetalChick on Dec 15, 2011 1:01 PM EST up reply actions
Well in the example above
all he got wrong was the order of DP and Nabby, so if you weren’t arguing that point again when you said “getting it wrong,” that’s some serious nitpicking.
My thought was that Montoya wasn't mothballed.
He was given 4 starts, they rotated through the next two , played one and then he was hurt. I tried to build a timeline based on games played and when he was placed on IR to determine if they skipped Montoya in the rotation or if he were legitmately hurt.
Seeing how Montoya has responded to a much heavier workload in the last few games, it looks like playing him four then giving him a rest for a couple of games would have been a good strategy to keep him at optimum performance. The 3-headed monster may have kept him out a few more games than ideal, but he wasn’t intentionally sat for a long stretch. It looks like he was truly injured. When Montoya sat on game 5, I commented that Cappy made a smart decision to give him a rest while still sharp rather than running him into the ground. I didn’t think it would be seven games before his next start either.
The funny thing is I have never really been a big fan of DP, but find myself somehow trying to rationalize how the Islanders used their goaltenders to start the season. I am trying to figure how the Islanders can best use Montoya and just starting him over and over isn’t an answer.
by Hockey1919 on Dec 15, 2011 1:48 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
I think you need to look at who I was talking to and the way this guy keeps busting my fucking chops. And now youre getting on my case too. I was talking to him, not you. And I am getting tired of being nice to this guy and having him keep on taking shots at me and just looking to argue.
Let Us Go, Islanders! (Ever notice how strange that sounds without the contraction?)
by TheMetalChick on Dec 15, 2011 1:59 PM EST up reply actions
I was talking to him, not you.
So now we can only comment on stuff directed at us? Good to know! That should keep things quiet around here.
I originally was asking for clarification about when you were talking about, because I wasn’t sure what you were talking about.
For the record when he wrote:
yeah, I’m talking about October
When everybody here was saying:
OH, I’m sure Montoya got his starts, now DP will gets his, then Nabby.
That’s what I’m talking about.
You had not commented in the entire thread above him. I don’t know (or care) what is going on personally, but I’m not sure how he was taking a shot at you when you hadn’t even posted above his comment at all.
And I’m not getting on your case, but I pointed this out a couple of weeks ago as well when you kept writing that the Isles hadn’t sat a healthy Al for DP this season. And when I pointed out they had, you followed it up (as you did today) with “but the Islanders had to find out what they had,” which as I said is fine, but you originally were being as misleading as the people you think are misrepresenting the situation themselves.
Afro, please stop. Please.
I said what I said because I do not like the way he is treating me.
How mabny times do I have to explain that to you? And why the fuck are YOU aching to fight over nothing??
Let Us Go, Islanders! (Ever notice how strange that sounds without the contraction?)
by TheMetalChick on Dec 15, 2011 2:27 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Youre missing it. I wasnt here, and BELOW he was talking shit about me.
You obviously missed what happened here. Completely.
Let Us Go, Islanders! (Ever notice how strange that sounds without the contraction?)
by TheMetalChick on Dec 15, 2011 2:28 PM EST up reply actions
We don't want to have to start warning regulars
But if some of you keep provoking each other and dominating threads with an argument that’s frankly been done, redone, ridden hard, and put away wet, that’s what we’ll do.
It’s kind of a shame that people keep rehashing this topic with sweeping “everybody here was saying” and “you’re getting it wrong. Like usual.” language. It’s frankly a turn off to new users and to plenty of regulars, from whom I hear frequently, but for whom I try to err on the side of free speech.
There is plenty of opportunity to get personal about things here, but most people do not do it. Or when they do, they walk away and cool off, and don’t make a habit of it. And don’t come back to it again. And again. And again.
There’s nothing in this thread that hasn’t been said before. If you’re getting personal or taking things personally, please just move on (and please don’t rehash this joke in yet another thread). The Internet, and this site, will still be here when the sun comes up.
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by Dominik on Dec 15, 2011 4:25 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
That is not how this started.
Im sick of this guy trying to start fights with me.
I have been nice to him over and over, then I come here and he is talking crap about me in a thread where I am not even posting. Its like he has dual personalities. He can be starting shit with me here while he is joking aruond in another thread.
Just because this is higher on the page doesnt mean it came first, what came first was whats below.
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by TheMetalChick on Dec 15, 2011 4:56 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I get that
(And my reply is to Bobby’s above, because it’s the easiest spot to refer to this subthread.)
It’s the same personalities starting shit or reacting to shit. All of our oils and waters get along alright when they’re not dealing with each other. I’d prefer y’all get past it and enjoy everything else you bring to the table.
(I do care who started it, but not enough to go timestamp by timestamp. It’s fine and your right to defend yourself. But again … same topic, same personalities, over and over and over…)
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by Dominik on Dec 15, 2011 5:11 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I have gone out of my way to be nice to this frickin guy. Any time he says something cordial or neutral me, I respond positively. I have made an intentional effort again and again. But I still get shit like this:
your posts sound just like somebody else here who talks just like you do, and usually would be in here hammering away about an injury Al never had but is missing in this thread. lol.
really, Chris, I can’t discuss it any longer.
When Im not even posting here on a thread, there he is saying shit like this about me. This guy needs to cut it out. I dont ever come here and talk shit about people or goad them in other threads, EVER- but he sure has. He said this shit with the sole intention of starting an argument. WTF other reason would he have?
Let Us Go, Islanders! (Ever notice how strange that sounds without the contraction?)
by TheMetalChick on Dec 15, 2011 10:04 PM EST up reply actions
I actually thought 3 to four starts made some sense.
If you are evaluating to see who was going to get on a “roll” so to speak they need more than 2 games in a row. I was all for sitting Nabokov until the need arose and giving Montoya the bulk of the initial starts and throwing in DP to see what if anything he had left. I wasn’t ready to annoint Montoya as the starter either based on only 20 games so there would be ample opportunity to let the vets compete for a shot.
Three goaltender rotation is not an easy way to work out your goaltending problem. I know DP could be sent to BP and cause the problem at the AHL level, but we all know that it was not going to happen with SnoWang so why even pretend it is a consideration. Cappy doesn’t get to decide who gets sent down or brought up so I thought he did a reasonable if not desireable. I would just as soon see final and definitive proof DP cannot play, no injury excuses, sufficient time to get on a roll etc. Then make a final decision and move on.
So what are you saying?
That the team listened to us conspiracy theorists and now won’t play any other goalie?
"We can't get pushed around," Haley said. "What commentators say about us, that's their job. My job is to try and limit as many people who want to take liberties with our guys as possible."
by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Dec 14, 2011 11:12 AM EST up reply actions
So now the consipracy flopped the complete other way
Lmao.
"We can't get pushed around," Haley said. "What commentators say about us, that's their job. My job is to try and limit as many people who want to take liberties with our guys as possible."
by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Dec 14, 2011 11:58 AM EST up reply actions
the best part of a conspiracy
If it happens, it’s true!
If it doesn’t happen, that’s just what they want you to believe…
We may be in the box, but you get the penalty.
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by mikb on Dec 14, 2011 12:07 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
No, sometimes what you ask for isn't what you want.
by Hockey1919 on Dec 14, 2011 12:28 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
What did I want?
The only thing I want is DP not to play, and Al to be the starter.
Nobody who thought it was BS he didn’t get a start for a LOOONGGGG time after his great start ever said he should start every game. Or maybe I just missed that.
"We owe him a lot more than he owes us at this point. He's been stellar all year. He still gave us a chance to win this one, and we've got to find a way."
—C Josh Bailey, on G Al Montoya after a 5-3 loss Tuesday in Montreal.
by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Dec 14, 2011 1:01 PM EST up reply actions
He didn't get a start for a LOOOOOOONNNNNNGGG time because he wsa injured.
If DP is the only other option and DP is NOT to play then Montoya would have to play every single game.
by Hockey1919 on Dec 14, 2011 2:51 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
You're wrong.
After his great start, he wasn’t hurt.
He sat for a long time while they tried to forcefeed us DP and trade Nabby.
And it’s weird, your posts sound just like somebody else here who talks just like you do, and usually would be in here hammering away about an injury Al never had but is missing in this thread. lol.
None of that matters now anyways. he’s ovbviously been overused now. None of that makes what happened earlier in the year right though.
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by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Dec 14, 2011 3:27 PM EST up reply actions
Al went out most probably on 11/10.
He missed 7 possible starts so that Nabokov could get 4 and DP 3. You can argue with the rotation and I have long been an advocate of not showcasing Nabokov for a marginal trade return. Same could be said that Nabokov wasn’t costing them wins early on either and it was reasonable to see what he could do.
You are saying Al was never on IR even though league medical is required to approve the minimum 7 days. This is where the tin foil hats come in; the NHL intentionally let the Islanders say Montoya was hurt, just because they want the Islanders to lose.
by Hockey1919 on Dec 14, 2011 4:16 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
eehhhhhh
really, Chris, I can’t discuss it any longer.
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by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Dec 14, 2011 4:41 PM EST up reply actions
WTF is with you?
Now youre arguing and taking shots at me when Im not even a part of the conversation? What the fuck is your problem?
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by TheMetalChick on Dec 15, 2011 9:49 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Don't let fact get in the way
your posts sound just like somebody else here who talks just like you do, and usually would be in here hammering away about an injury Al never had but is missing in this thread.
Ironic that TMC didn’t chime in, but you had to. That makes you the one consistent person in all of the threads. Makes it your fixation doesn’t it?
by Hockey1919 on Dec 15, 2011 9:33 AM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Looks like youre the only other one who noticed him doing this again, 1919.
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by TheMetalChick on Dec 15, 2011 4:57 PM EST up reply actions
And I still want Al to be the starter
A couple soft goals last night didn’t change that for me. I’m not that fickle a fan.
i also think that any goalie who got run like that all night has achance at having the same thing happen to them. The toughness or lack thereof this team has, is embarrassing. We got run and pushed around. BY THE HABs.
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—C Josh Bailey, on G Al Montoya after a 5-3 loss Tuesday in Montreal.
by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Dec 14, 2011 1:06 PM EST up reply actions
Montoya seems either tired or is returning to normalcy or a bit of both.
But having started the amount of games he has in a row, I’d guess tired. He needs at least 1gm off, arguably 2. Time to throw in Nabokov.
This team just looked like crap for most of this game. This defense keeps making costly/mental-and-skating related mistakes, but this game is partly on Montoya too no question. Not tomention, we played this weak against the “average/playoff-bubble” canadiens. Back to the drawing board, hopefully not back to a long losing streak which I feared that Pens game would do to us.
What do you mean they won 4 cups in a row? Is that possible?
The Bailey goal
I really take as a good thing from this game. I think we’ll see his minutes go up more soon he’s been one of our best players lately. I might be the only one who thinks this but I want to see a Ullstrom Bailey Okposo line if only just for the 2nd pp unit. Frans and Grabner should be even strength and pk only.
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by pgat28 on Dec 14, 2011 2:15 AM EST via iPhone app reply actions 1 recs
Bailey's curve is looking good lately
Guardedly, he’s showing little signs here and there (admittedly, we’ve seen some of them before).
I was thinking about his development vs. Filatov today, and chuckling because although people enjoy trashing Filatov (and frankly I always preferred Bailey even on Draft Day), he’s around the same age and could still have time to make something of himself … just like Bailey.
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If they don't scratch the CapMule...
They should at least limit him to 4th line duties until he can prove he’s better than Martin and/or Wallace. Both are giving the effort needed to deserve more ice time, and not giving the puck away nearly as much as Rolston.
I’d try Martin first, and if that doesn’t work, Wallace. That line is showing so much potential, but Rolston can’t keep up. he has one burst of speed per game, and then…NOTHING.
And he’s still on the PP… Really?
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I will admit
I do get the feeling that there for a for aguy his age with the time he has put in in this league that Rolston is a player that needs to be coddled somewhat….you know like if he’s not playing top-line minutes he can become a pain-in-yhe-rear-end whining player who will lose interest.
Since the Isles are a bottom of the league team still he can come here and they will make him feel like he is better than he is (i.e. by giving him Ice-Time and PP minutes, etc.)
But to be Fair: Impossible to really know what kind of influence he is having inside the locker room. Guys like him and Pandolpho can be valuable if used properly.
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I'm definitely biased...
when it comes to Rolston… But it stems from the level of commitment. We now have three players that would give their left nut to have his spot on the depth chart… and three players playing like they want it. Rolston plays like HE DESRVES IT.
I wouldn’t mind if Rolston gave them 12minutes of balls to the wall play… even 10. But he gives them a shift every period if they’re lucky. Look at what will normally happen when Rolston has the puck in a situation where he can not skate into the offensive zone with the puck. He will either try to, and lose the puck, or fire it in and give up. Wallace and Martin are chipping and making efforts to retain possession. Look at the two AWESOME shifts they put together in the third. Even Reasoner is playing better than Rolston.
If his ice time wasn’t WEIGHTED by his past performances his ass would be on the fourth line… or in the press box.
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Reasoner has been a weird player so far
Without Konopka’s fire, we need Reasoner’s skill to be shown a bit more (and we have not seen it). He does not seem to have a second gear (if you know what i mean).
There have been good spurts from him though. he seems to make some good smart plays often enough. I just envisioned a little bit more of like Doug Weights offense from him (is that too much to expect?)
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He's been a disappointment...
for sure. i remember writing on and on about what a difference that exchange of roles would make. It hasn’t happened… but I think it is starting to.
My thoughts were that he wold replace Zeke, but they would have a fourth line of Martin-Reasoner-(Hunter/Haley/Rakhshani). That’s three different skill sets, that could give the team three different looks.
Hunter turns into Rolston. Bleh! Well.. Rolston should have replaced Hunter in that role… then he would have been an IMPROVEMENT.
Rhett got hurt. Now he is getting his game legs back.. this still might happen.
Haley’s opportunity went to Jay Pandolfo, and the offensive pressure I hoped for turned into throttled back bursts in exchange for defensive responsibility… and a PK chip.
Wallace changes that. Now we’re back to the Hunter dynamic, and it’s HUNTER+ because Wallace has better wheels, and plays more aggressively than Hunter did. I like this roster inventory, but I’d prefer it to be arranged differently.
I’d rather have the three left thumbs on the fourth line.Rolston-Reasoner-Martin, and that would bring more energy to the third line with Ullstrom-Bailey-Wallace.
Eventually you phase out Rolston with Haley or Rhett. Because there’s no way in Pittsburgh he’s going to be here next year.
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read somewhere about Reasoner
He’s having an Okposian season in terms of shooting luck. Remember how Marty Biron’s save percentage with KO on the ice was something like .850, and Okposo would up a lower minus than MSG’s coverage on Time Warner last night? Reasoner’s had a similar problem this year – he has much the lowest sv% behind him among the Isles’ forwards (or at least he did a week ago when I saw the report… I think it was at Contrarian Goaltender).
Yeah, here it is. Reasoner is mentioned in passing at the end of the first paragraph.
It’s possible of course that part of the reason the Isles’ save% is terrible with Reasoner is that he surrenders excellent chances to opponents. It’s also more than likely that it’s just the goalies… and that it will eventually start to turn.
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Competition to replace the cap mule
players that would give their left nut to have his spot on the depth chart
Hopefully, that inner drive and competition serves the Islanders in the long run. Once the cork is pulled it will be a mad scramble for Rolston’s position and the Islanders may finally have the depth where it is actually a competition for a slot. The guys not in Rolston’s spot are hopefully building a work ethic that let’s them know there are no nights off since the opportunities to shine will be rare. I am hoping having the cap mule in that slot is giving all of the players behind him to over develop.
Then again they may just be frustrated seeing some over the hill crony getting a free ride and mult-million dollar paycheck while they ride the bus and think merit has nothing to do with promotion and the whole organization is a bunch of crap.
I was actually talking about...
Martin, who deserves the third line spot more than Rolston does right now, and Wallace who is showing that he brings energy to every shift. Something that Rolston just does not do.
The guys in BPT like Rhett, Dibo and Colliton need to show they can play at THAT level. Wallace and Ullstrom have done that already. I thought (and wrote here many times) Ullstrom deserved his shot before Nino. he is proving me right.
wallace was a really good depth pick up… a little behind Moulson and Grabner, but he’s showing that he can play NHL hockey.
The one wildcard is Nino. If they keep him in the NHL Rolston has got to sit in the press box. I don’t want to lose ullstrom or Wallace to a green Nino, because they can’t afford to sit their $5M mule.
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Got it and agree - MArtin is at the point where he is either in or not a part of the plan.
Nino may be best served with returning to Juniors once he is medically cleared or sooner if that is what it would take for him to qualify for the playoffs in Juniors (not sure of the eligibility rules).
Too many stops and false starts this season and he needs to make sure he doesn’t take anymore NHL level hits to be safe.
That toe drag was sick
That would have been pretty if he finished. He seems to finally be ‘getting’ it.
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I dont see coaching as a main problem for us
Our Main Issues/Problems are with overall depth (which we have known since Day 1) and in the case of our D this gets highlighted to a great extent on many nights. Depth at the Forwards is not nearly as concerning as what we have to work with on D. We need all of our pieces working on D (Eaton and AMac will be back soon we hope).
We have 1 defensemen that is definitely a top 2 Defensemen IMO. Travis Hamonic has really stepped up in the last 2-3 weeks and since AMac has left he has showed even moreso how valuable he is to providing stability to the BlueLine.
Mark Streit is a Top2 D-Man now but on a top level team he is probably not as complete as some of the really good D-Men in the league. There has beena number of times the last few weeks where I have seen Streit look a little overwhelmed by good forwards in his own zone (Streit’s Size hurts him a bit in his own zone, where Hamonic can hold his own back there better than Streit can)
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There was an interesting moment during that PostGame interview with Rutgeizer last nite
he was asked what he thinks can be done next to turn things around and his response was interesting…it started with a bout 5 seconds of silence and an interesting look. I got the feeling that he wants tio say something but can’t really say it.
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Torts
there’s just something about Torts’ bluntness that I find incredibly appealing.
Likewise. For someone who doesn’t like assholes, I’m a sucker for that kind of coach. It’s almost a guilty pleasure.
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He certainly doesn't practice what he preaches.
He is volatile, but expects discipline.
by Hockey1919 on Dec 14, 2011 2:52 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Streit's not a top 2 defenseman
He’s a bit overrated here. He’s a good offensive talent and power play QB. A top 4 guy, maybe. But he gets lost too often when he’s supposed to be a shut-down guy. Right now, this very second, Hamonic is the closest thing we’ve got to a shut-down guy. When A-Mac returns, Hamonic and A-Mac hopefully get the top draw so Streit doesn’t have to be the shut-down guy and he can do what he does best.
I agree....thats what I am saying
Streit is really not a true top2 but I do think that he is definitely a top 4. Not phyiscally strong enough to be top 2 IMO.
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Not anymore..
He was before this injury….He lost a step
Our expectations of a top 2 sure have grown when we don't even have sufficient bottom 6 defenders,
I can agree Streit is not a true number 1 defenseman in the Bourque, Lidstrom, Pronger role, but he is certainly a top 2 defender even if he is showing signs of recovering from injury. Look at how much better the offense looks when he is in possession of the puck compared to almost every other defender. He is more of a Neiderreitter, Leetch-lite offesive defender that relies on positioning and moving the puck out of dangerous areas. He would be helped by a big mobile stay at home defender to even out the pairing.
If you think JT has it bad as a forward and being focused on, take a look at what Streit has to deal with. Outside of Hamonic there isn’t a defenseman that is hald is calibre in the rest of the bunch. He is being asked to do too much with too little too often and it is showing. Don’t throw out the baby with the bath water.
Yeah, there's a difference between "first pair" and "elite"
Streit and Hamonic are a solid first pair. A-Mac is probably a lower-tier second-pair at this point… it’s hard to judge when he’s not 100% healthy. He’s played well enough to at least merit a discussion. The other guys are just much of a muchness.
PS – I think you must have meant Neidermeyer instead of Niederreiter. And in their prime, both Neidermeyer and Leetch were elite.
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I think he meant Neidermeister.
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by Fabtraption on Dec 14, 2011 11:43 AM EST up reply actions
Got my Neiders in a knicker. Of course it was Neidermeyer that sneaky little shit.
Neidermeyer and Leetch were elite.
Yes they were and why I stated Streit was Leetch-“lite”. Neither played a physical game either, but their offense and positional play more than adequately compensated for the need to put people through the boards and that is what their partners were for.
I am now reaching the age where Goring is starting to make sense.
Its Niedermieser
lets get it right for Butchies sake….
tortorella is a good coach...
I wonder if you’d be complaining about the coach if the isles had a $65M payroll. What we saw tonight was a team that was willing to take a chance on Kaberle vs one that wasn’t.
Sometimes it’s not the player, but the message. How long can they sustain what little respectability they have with Steve Staios, Mike Mottau and Dylan Reese in the lineup consistently. They are all limited minute defenders, forced to play above their pay grade… EVERY DAY.
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by JPinVA on Dec 14, 2011 7:57 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
That is the 65 Million Dollar Question Right
A simple move to add someone/something that can send a message to the players that EVERYONE is COMMITTED can make a difference.
I had a twitter discussion with Brian Compton about Kaberle a few weeks ago and wondered aloud if taking a chance on him might help (His contract only 3 years…not 4 or 5). BCompton called the idea stupid because his contract is bad. My arguement was that a ‘Bad’ contract for some can be a ‘Good’ contract for others.
How does Kaberle contract hurt the Isles exactly? Especially when u consider that after this season his money just replaces Rolston’s Deal anyway. Its not like kaberle is 40 years old…hes 33 and only 2 years removed from being considered one of the better offensive D-Men in the league.
If Wang is handcuffing Snow so much so that there really is nothing that he can do….It is totally unfair to blame the coach for anything.
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Two things keep me from exploding...
on this.
1. Maybe he wasn’t available to them for what they were willing to give up. I’m not sure I’d have given up more than a 3rd, and a replacement… but they don’t have an NHL level repacement that they can afford to give up. All they have is garbage. So they’d have to make it a pick and a prospect… No way do I give up deHaan or donovan… and I don’t think they want Ness or Klementyev. The only possible trade bait they have is at forward… and two+ years away… unless they accepted Ullstrom (who is going to be valuable if they make a run this year).
2. They are trying to fry a bigger fish. They have no access to the UFA market, so I’ll be pissed if this goes past the deadline. But they should have some options opening up soon where teams are trying to dump expiring assets with big contracts. Maybe if they can get one for a pick and a guy like Wishart they can make a run, and be attractive as a potential employer. I guess we’ll see.
The bottom line is that Kaberle isn’t that good… but he’s much better than Mike Mottau, and a better PP option than Brian Rolston. they will also need someone to fill that role for the next three years because they just don’t have anything in the system that is clearly a PLUS defender given 20+ NHL minutes right now.
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- is the big one. We’re a budget team, and Kabarle might cut out signing a much better player.
That said, I don’t really buy that they don’t have access to the UFA market. All we have is a bunch of rumors about Paul Martin. We know they didn’t offer Ehrhoff close to what he got in Buffalo.
I really have a hard time believing that if we make an offer that is far and away the best one out there, some guy wouldn’t take it. I do believe we’ve never made an offer that blew all the others away.
I understand your point...
but the facts are there. Given a choice between the last place islanders who average less than 10K per game in a 40 year old building and any team that can beat two of those options you’d have to avoid a reasonable offer from the islanders.
What the Islanders can offer is ICE TIME… that’s about it.
So you need to find Mark Streit II. Not likely.
If you look back in hindsight, and individually, are there any free agents in the past two off-season that would be worth 20% more in salary and a year or two more in term. That’s where the “blow them away” factor comes in.
Look at Wizniewski. They got him on the cheap, and he was blasted here after about 20 games. If not for the gesture pissing off Wang, and the whole country club thing (I think) he might have been an option this year… but at his current salary?.. NO WAY! Is he better than Mottau, eaton and reese… Hell yeah… is he worth that kind of money… NO.
Erhoff would have made a difference… and they probably went pretty high, and I’d bet that his tag to play under the present conditions would have been way higher than what he accepted in Buffalo because the conditions are so much better. Buffalo has NEVER WON… but their owner is financially committed to doing so with no dependancy on a new building, filling a building or waiting for prospects to develop. And this is not a slight on cappy, Buffalo also has a damn good coach in place, with players who enjoy playing there. Who knows who will be behind the bench next year given their history… if not cappy it could be thompson, chynoweth or some guy in the ECHL this year… who knows.
And that is why i do not believe they have access to the UFA market.
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I agree it’s more difficult to sign guys, but I still think money would make up for most of that. As you say, there really hasn’t been a UFA worth making a monster offer to, so maybe we just haven’t seen it yet. I guess what I’m saying is, I’m actually not disappointed that we haven’t landed anyone in the past few off-seasons, because I didn’t think there was anyone that fit the plan all that well. But I’m also not convinced we couldn’t bring in a top UFA if he fit the bill by offering him a significant amount over his next biggest suitor. If guys will play in wastelands like Phoenix and Columbus, I think they’ll come play in NY.
by afrosupreme on Dec 14, 2011 7:23 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
"Godfather" offer
Garth made that kind of an offer to Mark Streit.
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I'd just like to interject that
the Hurricanes traded Kaberle for Jaroslav Spacek. He’s neither prospect nor pick. As much as they wanted to unload Kaberle, they must have felt they needed an everyday defenseman they could slide right into the line-up.
The Islanders couldn’t offer that. They’re not trading Streit or Hamonic, MacDonald’s hurt and no GM in their right mind would take Mottau, Staios or Jurcina. Reese and Wishart still have some cooking to do.
I was intrigued by Kaberle, too. But if that’s what the Hurricanes wanted for him, I can see why the Islanders don’t have him.
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Kaberle also required taking salary back
Carolina is a similarly mule-dependent team right now (self-promo link right there). They dealt Kaberle but took back Spacek’s non-insignificant expiring salary in return. It doesn’t look like the Isles had a fit that would make sense, even setting aside Kaberle’s flaws.
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Re: Kaberle
You probably didn’t notice, but he was benched after the 3-3. Martin was certainly not pleased with his game. Kaberle is a help on the PP, but at even strength he is a liability. Even his celebrated first game with the Habs wasn’t as good as many would think. He set up two goals on the PP, but he was also the direct cause of a goal against.
At his cap hit for two more years, I’m glad the Isles didn’t trade for him.
I think it's more than Kaberle's ability...
It’s the willingness to take a chance. The organization seems to have dog housed Wishart. They need to keep deHaan and Donovan in the incubator a little longer, and there is no help behind those guys for YEARS.
I’m with you on the effectiveness of Kaberle, but bringing him in helps in a few ways.
Mottau’s Islander career would come to an end.
DP can be sent to BPT. An ineffective TK is better than a broken DP.
Pandolfo can be removed, leaving Wallace on the fourth line through the end of the season.
There is no need to carry Nino’s salary, and the decision to keep him can be based solely on his development.
If snow has something else in the works, fine. But if not, I think Wishart and a pick would have been just as good as Spacek to the ’canes. At least offer it.
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You seem to forget that the Canes had to take back salary for cap reasons.
Wishart wouldn’t have done it, his cap hit is too low.
If it weren’t for the length of his contract, I would welcome Kaberle with open arms. Heck, I even have a weird crush for the guy.
But two more years? I would rather use the money for signing Parenteau and Nielsen.
On the other hand Rolston is gone next season… maybe you are right, they should have taken a chance at Kaberle.
What pisses me off
is that Poulin should have still been up and started last night to give montoya a rest. Why are they bringing nabby back when the coach says he needs some more practice before he can start. The logic of this brain trust is mind-boggling.
Remember, montoya has never played this much in his career and i’d hate to see him wear not even half way through the season.
That is all, and can we get a petition to cut mottau and staios?
Agreed
I posted this same thing in the game thread. It made no sense to return Poulin to Bridgeport if Montoya was tired and Nabokov wasn’t ready.
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by Fabtraption on Dec 14, 2011 10:54 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
reluctantly agreed
This is the same franchise that kept a clearly-injured DiPietro as their backup a couple of seasons ago, meaning that if the starter was injured the team was well and truly hosed.
If Nabby’s well enough to come in cold to a game – a worse situation for a balky groin that starting and being fully-warmed up – then he was well enough to spell Montoya from the start. The only thing I can guess is that the Isles thought that Poulin wasn’t as good an option as Montoya, therefore Monty starts, and if that’s the case, then there’s no sense in Poulin just sitting around when he can go to BPT and get in a full practice and get into games. Hence, Nabokov watching. The Isles didn’t want to toss him right back in and get second-guessed if he reinjures himself right away.
And frankly, if Montoya played the entire game as sharply as he did the second – or even as well as the third, which wasn’t the horrorshow the first was – then it would be a moot point.
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Yeah, and he went from underuse and goalie rotation to playing almost all of the games for the past 3 weeks without a blow.
Can we have something in between. I agree, Poulin should have gotten a game in there somewhere.
I love montoya but there are only a few goalies in the league that can handle that workload. Poulin played very well for us last year before the injury. No reason to have nabby go to Montreal.
And Reese is the prime example that you are better off giving AHL players the chance to play here. Not saying donnovan, Ness or Dehann are ready to go but they would at least be able to compete unlike mattau and staios. God forbid we dont have our first D-line against an opposing 1st Forward line, it becomes comical.
by Dougy p on Dec 14, 2011 11:28 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
In between would be nice
Why does the franchise continue to do things that drive us crazy? I want my screen name changed to “Pissed OFF Isles fan”
Defensemen grades
Entire post will be up later on +/- page.
Streit: B-. Decent.
Staios: D. Largely responsible for two goals (screened Montoya on last goal)
Hamonic: B-. Better as game went on.
Reese: C+. Pretty solid.
Jurcina: C. Blah.
Mottau: B-. Good enough defensively and helped to create some chances. Missed net from slot though, golden opportunity.
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by North Dakota Red Eagle on Dec 14, 2011 10:08 AM EST reply actions
Thanks, good man
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And now we have to have the Flyers and Rags as our background on an islanders blog.
Satan is alive and well.
"We can't get pushed around," Haley said. "What commentators say about us, that's their job. My job is to try and limit as many people who want to take liberties with our guys as possible."
by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Dec 14, 2011 11:31 AM EST reply actions
I read this as Miroslav Satan.
I was thinking “Yeah, I hope he is…”
Official choice of Lighthouse Dog #1.
by Fabtraption on Dec 14, 2011 11:45 AM EST up reply actions
I remember years ago i was watching an Isles game with my mom
Who knows nothing about hockey. Nothing.
Well, Satan did something, got his stick up or whacked somebody with it, and i think he got a game musconduct.
My mom, who is a die hard born again christian, and a very sweet woman, yells:
“No wonder he did that. Look at his name. His name is Satan!!”
Hahahahah.
"We owe him a lot more than he owes us at this point. He's been stellar all year. He still gave us a chance to win this one, and we've got to find a way."
—C Josh Bailey, on G Al Montoya after a 5-3 loss Tuesday in Montreal.
by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Dec 14, 2011 1:09 PM EST up reply actions
What if he switched over to Christian brand hockey sticks?
We may be in the box, but you get the penalty.
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1980 olympian. Swtched from forward to defense for that tourney. Not too many people know that.
"We owe him a lot more than he owes us at this point. He's been stellar all year. He still gave us a chance to win this one, and we've got to find a way."
—C Josh Bailey, on G Al Montoya after a 5-3 loss Tuesday in Montreal.
by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Dec 14, 2011 1:30 PM EST up reply actions
Boils down to math...........
Shots you let in count the same as the ones you score. – problem this season is that we overestimated our scoring ability and that Snow stood pat at Goal because he had a bunch of options that included all goalies who were recovering from injury except Nabby who ironically got injured and whom they tried to peddle when the other options looked adequate. Well Snow who knows the position guessed wrong.The D most of us on the board knew was smallish or slow or both with a couple of exceptions that can not play the whole game, by themselves [Streit and Hamonic] Well the offense will develop, in that area we have the horses, but sadly we don’t have a play-off caliber team on the other side of the blue line. I do not believe with the season almost a third gone that he will give up piks or prospects for a fix that probably would still not get us into the post season. So comes Feburary we will get the same old story of being sellers and “wait till next year” Unfortunately comes the summer we will pick up the latest versions of over paid and over the hill types like Pondolfo, Ralston and Reasoner. Like I said before the only change might be in 2016 when the team changes the city and its name. Another bottom 3 finish does not help the PR for a new building – at some point Snow or Wang/Snow are to blame.
altosax< I am going to save this post for next year!
Because I think you will be right!
So comes Feburary we will get the same old story of being sellers and "wait till next year" Unfortunately comes the summer we will pick up the latest versions of over paid and over the hill types like Pondolfo, Ralston and Reasoner.
We are all Islanders, even if we’re from Jersey!
by Russel Ginart on Dec 14, 2011 12:35 PM EST up reply actions
The D on this team is killing me
How can we possibly expect consistently good play from our D when Staois-Jurcina is in our top 4?? How the fuck is that “Commitment,” according to this franchise’s fucking catch-phrase? If good defensemen are so rare and hard to acquire, especially for an areener-less franchise with temporarily tight pockets — and if they take LONGER to develop than forwards on average — than why the hell didn’t Garth rebuild from defense first? If Garth knew the market would be so dry, or that his diminutive puck-moving D prospects would be so damn fragile, I’m sure he would’ve drafted diffferently. Any way you slice it, it’s FAILURE.
I know the first two goals were soft last night, but the goaltending will work itself out. Montoya. Nabakov. Poulin. Whatever becomes of DP – I’m not worried. When will the defense work itself out? I feel like this team never had a fucking chance this season – Wishart’s regression, Katic’s injury, Amac and Streit not 100%.
Garth said we needed a top 4 D, and this franchise’s lack of “Commitment” in obtaining that has sunk this season more than anything else.
Sorry for the rant, folks, but did anybody who had SOME hope for this team THIS YEAR envision the top 6 D looking like it does right now? FAILURE, no matter how we got to this point…
"Seriously that's the last time you guys f#@%ing won?" -RSH (about beating the Penguins in '93)
Montoya
may be having only a bad stretch of games [I hope so!], or unfortunately he might have been having only a good stretch of games earlier – we will find out! , my own guess is that he is OK+ at the position and next season if Poulin doesn’t come all the way back from his severe injury that we will need another #1 goalie. – with a contest between Montoya and Poulin for back-up if we are to be a play-off team. It can be argued that our poor D is making it difficult for the goalies. However soft goals are soft goals and we are seeing too many of them.
can't believe we've reached the "excuses" level of the Am Montoya experiment...
too tired? pullleeeessseee!! come on… i like the guy… totally… he’s better… i think way better than the scrubs we’ve had the last 3 years filling in for the DP… but he’s young. he just had a nice vacation. and it’s just the first quarter of the season. if you are a solid under 30 goalie then you play a lot. most good number 1’s have started over 20 games this season.
if we are going to crown him then we have to expect that level of play all the time and not roll out the tired excuse. soon we’ll be talking about how he’s emotionally upset because of respect from the coach. or all the other nonsense.
he just stank on a sometimes stanky team. he’s been solid. it happens. i just don’t like the excuses game… reminds me of all the “others”… and he’s either an “other” or he’s one of us.

by Khan Noonien Singh on Dec 14, 2011 2:12 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
It's not PHYSICAL FATIGUE...
but MENTAL FATIGUE that seems to be the problem. When the senses dull in a start the alarm goes off and you should be able to insert the backup for a start or two. When #1 is refreshed he goes until the alarm goes off. If you have a quality backup you can measure your #1’s level of focus and pre-schedule his off time.
I just don’t think that Montoya is ready to focus for 60 minutes for more than 3 or 4 games at a time. We should see Nabby on thursday… It’s all good.
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Don't agree
A # 1 Goalie on a play-off team has to be able to play 50 games a year and if not must have an excellent back-up read Biron. Right now we are not a play-off team for reasons we all know and I don’t agree that “It’s all good” To my thinking Nabby is not the answer at either #1 or 2, and Montoya may develop into a play-off caliber goalie, but is not now. Poulin is an unknown recovering from a very severe injury. Snow will probably pick up another G next season [he certainly knows the position] Focus is important, and all goalies need it. the elite have it almost always[Lunquist] have it, the level below fall into the average category. Allowing soft goals is a function of focus and yes fatigue, and being overworked like our Gs are by our losy D certainly counts. But in the end its a game of numbers and in the last several games the G has been too porous..
so...
what exactly don’t you agree with?
I don’t use “Playoff team” and “islanders” in the same sentance for fear of puplic scrutiny.
If Nabokov isn’t a good enough back up we must be playing in a league where everybody has to be the Boston Bruins.
I just don’t think that Montoya is ready to focus for 60 minutes for more than 3 or 4 games at a time.
That would be a 3:1 ratio of starts… or basically 60 games.. or a 4:1 ration 66 games… why do you think I said he couldn’t play 50 games.
He is not a top 5 goalie (Lundquist, Thomas, Miller…) but he is young enough that the opportunity to be a top 10 hasn’t passed him by.
And I certainly agree that the defense hasn’t helped much… the offense either.
My “it’s all good” comment was due to the fact that there is an NHL level backup available again. Hopefully a start or two will give Al time to recharge his batteries.
Maybe I read your post wrong, I don’t see much difference there.
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@JPinVA
I was referring to "It's all good"
Yes Nabby is an adequate back-up, although thru one stretch when they apparently shoped him, he did not play well and nobody picked him up, but of course this is conjecture along with lots of the stuff we all muse about. Montoya has been super in a bunch of games and lately not adequate in a short spell. Last year he was good for a run of games. He could be a top ten or maybe a middle of the roader, too soon to say. He certainly deserves a season to find out. But my point is and was that we are far from being in good shape in that position now if we are talking about a post- season type of team. If you meant that Nabby was an adequate replacement while Montoya gets a recharge then I agree.
It reads like we're on the same page...
I don’t think they are too strong between the pipes either… but goaltending is probably fourth on their list of needs behind defense, defense and defense.
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@JPinVA
And goalies are much easier to come by, it seems.
It is easier to acquire a decent starting goalie than a decent #4 defenseman, I think.
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by North Dakota Red Eagle on Dec 14, 2011 5:33 PM EST up reply actions
mmm... Jack...
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by TheMetalChick on Dec 14, 2011 7:06 PM EST up reply actions
Really?
my gf says the same thing…pisses me off cuz I hated him….too arrogant and proud.
Only God saves more than Montoya
by backstop87 on Dec 14, 2011 9:44 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Awwww how could you hate Jack?
I love him. He wasnt arrogant, he was afraid to get close to people. Thats pretty much the opposite of arrogance. He tried to do well for people, and he didnt ask to be a leader. Plus… he is H-O-T! Actually there were a number of hot guys on that Island. But Jacks my man. :)
Interesting note: Occasionally Jack sometimes makes faces where he looks like Rick DiPietro. I just thought Id mention that considering where we are having this conversation lol.
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by TheMetalChick on Dec 14, 2011 10:03 PM EST up reply actions
Interesting note
Occasionally Jack sometimes makes faces where he looks like Rick DiPietro.
You mean, whenever Jack gets hurt?
:::ducking:::
We may be in the box, but you get the penalty.
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HA!
Actually, kinda yeah.
And I know when he was confronted with a potential physical altercation he made the same face Rick made when he beat up Monty lol.
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by TheMetalChick on Dec 15, 2011 12:03 AM EST up reply actions
He was assumptious and arrogant at times.
Especially when he and Locke were butting heads in the early seasons. (I’m only up to 3 so dont spoil anything)
"Oh no. He's got some speed. I might have to take his legs out." Rick DiPietro shortly before the first stitch came out.
Stop watching
You’re going to hate yourself in the end for wasting so many hours of your life.
by afrosupreme on Dec 15, 2011 2:53 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I like the plausible explanation game
And the general search for answers.
(But I am not one who has crowned nor crucified anyone.)
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