Islanders Bits: On Streaks, the Powerplay, the Hamonic 'Elbow'
by Dominik on Dec 12, 2011 6:30 AM EST
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The fun thing about playing with streaks and segmented records and "is my team hot or not" (there should really be a site for that) is the broadcaster-friendly ability to turn things on their head based on arbitrary dates, like little arbitrary "Islanders record when" lines in the sand.
On Saturday afternoon you could describe a team that had won four of six, was 4-0-2, or even 4-1-3 with points in seven of its last eight. After Saturday night's loss you could say they've won only two of five, or four of 11, or five of 16. You could also say they are:
- 4-2-2 since declaring Blake Comeau a rebuild casualty. (Comeau has a goal and 3 assists, +1 in nine games as a Flame. They're 6-2-1 in that span.)
- 4-2-2 since Al Montoya started every game but the Stars game, where he shut the door in relief.
- 4-3-3 since recalling David Ullstrom, who's played in every game compiling two goals, an assist and a +1.
- 4-2-3 since recalling Micheal Haley, who has played in four of those games with between 5-8 minutes of TOI, and they are 2-1-1 in those games.
But the one that makes this December more interesting than last? Through 27 games last year the Islanders were 5-17-5, having just lost to the Thrashers in the "faceoff goal on DP" game and about to be thumped 5-0 in Nashville. Right now they're 9-12-6.
Islanders Reading for a Monday Morn'
On Sunday Arthur Staple in Newsday gave a Nino Niederreiter update ("heavy hit ... feeling surprisingly well") and noted the possibility of another AHL conditioning stint as part of his recovery. He was quoted in German-language media as saying he doesn't remember the hit, so caution, caution, caution.
Today Newsday focuses on the powerplay, which was 6 for 18 during the good run but 1 for 13 during the last two games, an OT loss to Chicago and Saturday's disappointing loss to the Penguins. Jack Capuano's quote about personnel changes is taken as a possible sign the PP will see some alterations.
As Keith laid out in Saturday's recap, the major and ejection of Travis Hamonic was a joke. Hamonic agrees. So does Mark Streit (video below).
The Sound Tigers powerplay has also struggled, though Michael Fornabaio reports it generated chances in yesterday's 5-1 loss. Justin DiBenedetto missed the game and is day-to-day. Anders Nilsson was "average" but only in context of otherwise stellar recent play, Fornabaio says.
- Here is Mark's weekly Bridgeport/Isles prospect roundup, if you missed it. I like that he's carried on the NCAA 101 theme.
- Fights from that area: Gallant vs. Rechlicz. Tim Wallace vs. Richard Clune.
- From the official site: Pumping Josh Bailey. And noting Matt Martin's 100 NHL games. They grow up so fast.
- Another day, another pair for an Islanders NCAA prospect. This time it's BU's Cory Trivino against Maine.
- Here is Matt Moulson on XM Home Ice. It was not recorded at 4:20, dude.
- The Score looks at the league's basement dwellers and sees contrasting trends. Are the Islanders one of the upward ones?
- Larry Brooks reminds us that just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they aren't out to get you. What's interesting to me is he mentions the '80s Flames and Jets being blocked by the Oilers (though the Flames won the Cup in between Oilers wins) and mentions the Rangers being blocked by the Islanders in that Patrick era, but he doesn't mention the Capitals, who were pretty fantastic multiple times in the '80s but took turns getting blocked by the Islanders and then the Flyers. I guess it was pre-karma for Dale Hunter?
- Old Isle Andy Sutton got an 8-gamer for his latest infraction. The suspension video includes a highlight of some of his most suspendable hits over the years.
- Speaking of what has fed the suspension regime, here is a link about Colt McCoy with a window into how the NFL handles concussions.
- From a fantasy perspective, Dobber Hockey does its top 215 prospects. Ryan Strome, Niederreiter, and the Natural Born Killers lead the Islanders representation. Here is Hockey's Future on the Islanders' many CHL prospects.
- How's Canada's WJC camp going?
- Finally, this feature about the stories of the Lokomotiv tragedy had Mrs. Lighthouse and myself in tears Friday night.
Post-Game Video
Mark Streit calls it a joke. (He also admits the Islanders blew the game, got outworked.)
Hamonic, naturally, was equally perplexed by the "terrible call":
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That Suton hit is bad news
Though it was interesting to see former NHLer Stephane Quintal narrating the suspension video for the French speaking fans. When the words “Assaut” and “Recidiviste” feature prominently, it’s not going to be good. And again, the changing mores of the big hit are startling when you see all of Sutton’s questionable hits in a row like that. Ten years ago that would be a Coach’s Corner segment or a DVD highlight package on the NHL’s biggest hitters… now all I see is a guy delivering forearm shivers on defenseless guys’ heads.
We may be in the box, but you get the penalty.
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Ten years earlier on Coach's Corner
And now today, “They’re pansifying the game! Now you can’t even jump and take off someone’s head anymore!”
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This team still has some maturing to do...
They get screwed left & right by the officiating. It seems like there is nothing they can do about it except play through the adversity even if it is unfair. Life is unfair. They have learned how to keep working, without folding, when they give up an early lead…Now they have to learn how to deal with unfathomable calls without allowing themselves to fold…They seemed disinterested after the horrible call on Hammer and the PP goal that ensued…The fact that Cappy didn’t want to pull his goalie, during the power play, with 2 minutes left in the game, to give them a 2 man advantage, made it look like he was throwing in the towel…I don’t like that our coach was giving in and giving up…What was that all about???
I cannot fault them for not pulling the goalie
There is a certain point where the slight advantage it gives you is just not worth it and I think that was one of the times. There is no reason to let them run up the score even higher. A week or two out no one remembers how the score got so big they just look at it and say, hmm they must have got their asses beat. Really, I’d prefer the goalie pull to happen a lot less (only on 1 goal leads in most cases). How many times do you see a team come back from 2 down by pulling the goalie. It almost never happens.
No Sleep 'til....Belmont?
You must miss November Capuano
And his T-minus-5:00 goalie pulls; I don’t. I think the message was, when you don’t have it, you don’t have it.
Success was survival and, kid, it still is
by IslesFanInNJ on Dec 12, 2011 10:46 AM EST up reply actions
But they didn't have it for all of November...Why would he pull goalies with 3 or 4 minutes left when they were in that funk?
Makes no sense
Teaching them to keep on fighting to win, I think.
Even when the odds are really against it.
Let Us Go, Islanders! (Ever notice how strange that sounds without the contraction?)
by TheMetalChick on Dec 12, 2011 1:43 PM EST up reply actions
I was being a little facetious initially
But basically what TMC said. You could argue that since that November “swoon,” the team has played some games where they’ve shown a fight to win, even when down. Now I don’t think they really learned anything at that time, so in that sense it might have been a failed motivational ploy by Jack.
This December team is a little more resilient. Maybe Jack feels that he doesn’t need to send that message anymore. To be honest – it didn’t bug me too much that he didn’t do it. I don’t know if he used his timeout at all — if he didn’t, that would bug me more. The guys were gassed – they could have used that more than anything.
Success was survival and, kid, it still is
by IslesFanInNJ on Dec 12, 2011 2:07 PM EST up reply actions
Rereading that, I am not sure I was speaking in coherent sentences
But generally speaking, Cappy taught the lesson early on because the team had no pluck to keep fighting, but that lesson didn’t seem to take at the time.
Their recent play suggests that they’ve gotten whatever confidence/edge they needed, so on Saturday, pulling the goalie wouldn’t have changed much — either on the scoreboard or mentally for this team. To me, it was a positive sign — that Cappy doesn’t have to get gimmicky with the team’s collective psyche.
Success was survival and, kid, it still is
by IslesFanInNJ on Dec 12, 2011 2:12 PM EST up reply actions
Why not pull the goalie?
Because the Islanders collapsed after the Hamonic penalty.
They could not finish their opportunities.
And Streit looked like shit.
When’s our next trip to Florida? These boys need a vacation.
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I appreciate that.
But to me it was inconsistent with the way Cappy has been coaching….
COZO Corner
It’s good to see that the Comeau “deal” has worked out for both Blake and the Islanders. It’s a bit of a disappointment that the Islanders weren’t able to acquire any assets for him. But it is nice to see Snow and Capuano now liberally accelerating the development of Ullstrom, and sending the message, “Yes, there will be opportunities for our younger players”.
Next up… Mottau, Rolston and Reasoner… with deHaan, Nino(?) and Colliton pushing.
Which brings up another point….
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Nino?
Ullstrom obviously looks NHL ready. They have Wallace, Dibo and Rhett on the depth chart at forward, and seem to be OK with keeping Rolston on the roster. Is there enough room for Nino on the NHL roster to justify him not getting big develop minutes in Portland?
I was on the fence before, but seeing my thought on Ullstrom being somewhat justified by his NHL play, I think it’s time to send Nino back.
Will Garth go back on his word?
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This is sort of (like DP to BP), a moot point right now, because taking Nino off the roster puts them below the cap (even with all of the extra players we are carrying right now). I’ve been on the fence as well, but I don’t think it matters unless they add salary somehow.
My hope still is that he comes back, replaces Wallace, keeps Pandelfo away, and eventually knocks Rolston out of the lineup, opening the way for someone else from BP on the fourth line.
Don't make me bring out the Silky.
Nino v deHaan
Nino:
caphit $2.8M
Use: Ullstrom and Wallace have shown that they are MORE NHL READY than Nino. Ullstrom has been a productive and RESPONSIBLE member of a 2A line. Wallace has shown an effective offensive upside with physical play good enough to make a 4th line into a 3A line. Behind them colliton could step in for reasoner, Haley is a AAAA physical presence that hasn’t embarassed himself in limited exposure…. and then there’s Rhett who will be approaching critical decision time soon.
Risk: the biggest risk I see with Nino is having him play less than 40 games this year in a role more suited for somebody with a lower upside. Nino is probably still 60-100 AHL games away from being ready for a middle six role on a playoff-competetive team. there is some risk of mis-management if he is sent back to Portland, but more likely would be the mis-management that is implied by putting him back on the NHL ice with guys looking to send him back to Portland without a plane ticket.
deHaan:
caphit: $1.5M
Use: deHaan is a huge offensive upside over Mottau. He probably needs the full year in the AHL. Unless they give up some assets for a quality top four defenseman he is probably the best optin right now. They are also rather thin on the blue line at both levels. Calvin would allow the Isles to rotate some of the older out of the lineup as the schedule gets a little more hectic.
Risk: the risk does lie in bringing him up too early. He has had some injury issues over the last three years, and may not be ready for the speed and size of NHLers just yet.
Bottom Line: I think filling Nino’s roster spot with calvin keeps them above the floor. Calvin is more useful to them if they think he is ready for the challenge. The other option might be to bite the bullet and get another Cap Mule (McCabe). I’d seriously consider sending Nino back if they can manage the cap around the move.
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Ullstrom has exceeded my expectations and does not at all look out of place.
I’m more comfortable with him out there than Nino, at this point in time. Still don’t feel Nino is quite ready, but he’ll get there.
I like Tim Wallace’s hustle. Also, I met his mother at the game on Saturday and she was real nice, even though she stated she liked the Penguins. I told her she really did not like the Penguins – no one likes the Penguins. She laughed at this, though clearly uncomfortable with the way I was holding the letter opener right below her chin. Nice lady, you could tell she was real excited to watch her son. What a feeling that must be to have your kid make it like that.
by Les Beaver on Dec 12, 2011 10:45 AM EST up reply actions 6 recs
Nino has shown only flashes
Some nice stickhandling in traffic, a willingness to take the body, that sweet wrister he scored… but just flashes. His brain is not up to speed yet. His best work is when he has that extra moment to execute. Ullström looks able to do more at NHL speed than Nino right now, like his great chip-pass to Bailey off the boards to start the rush that led to his debut goal. That’s a clever little play that not a lot of young players would be able to execute.
We may be in the box, but you get the penalty.
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You gotta love an LHHer
Who can mix a rational Nino comment, with a cool player family tidbit, and a jarring image of vigilantism. Bravo.
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I still don’t think that gets them there. Right now we have 27 players on the rolls. Really, it’s 26 because Poulin has been returned. If you lose Nino, then Pandolfo will have to stay when he comes back (likely with Haley heading back to BP). Likewise with Eaton and Reese. If it doesn’t put us under (even with calling up de Haan), dropping Nino back to juniors puts us far too close to the edge, and ensures the continued presence of the Pandalfos.
There’s also <40 games left for Portland. I’m beginning to think if he can dress for >45 here, he might benefit more by staying with the Isles. I agree the other guys seem more NHL ready, but I guess my response is “so what?” Nino may hurt the team at times, but I’ve already thrown in the playoff towel for this year. Do what’s best for 2012.
I also don’t think keeping Nino would prevent de Haan from playing here this year, but I’d rather he come along when he’s ready to play, not as a Mule.
Don't make me bring out the Silky.
by afrosupreme on Dec 12, 2011 11:09 AM EST up reply actions
My point was...
Mule>deHaan>Nino.
if they could take on salary with a defenseman, they should do it. the fact that there were AT LEAST three suitors for Comeau when he hit the wire, leads me to believe the other teams are like sharks circling the islanders’ Red cross boat… waiting for them to start tossing the infirmed over the side.
This isn’t a temporary issue either. i haven’t kissed their playoff hopes out the window yet, but i don’t want to toss next year’s hopes out either. They are going to need that defensive fill for at least three years. I have no confidence in the fact that the answer is already in the organization. the players they have are good, but they are in the 2-5 year development range. Can they really afford that length of mediocrity in their stage of a rebuild, with the new arena pressure looming?
My first choice would be to start dangling assets (Kabanov, Petrov, Lee, Nelson… CAP SPACE…PICKS) out there for somebody that wants to get rid of a salary. We could have afforded much more for Kaberle… and as bad as he may be, he’s better than anything we have. the only problem with Kaberle was the term… and that’s the main reason I wasn’t really upset about letting it slide by.
…and 40 games as a top line/pp contributor is better than 40? NHL games of getting lost on defense, smoked by 220 lb defenseman, and not getting the proper attention to fix those issues with TOI. he’s looking at 40 WHL games, and at least 40 AHL games before I am confident with him. These aren’t the 2008 islanders, THEY DON’T NEED TO RUSH A 19 YEAR OLD…
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No way Charlie is adding salary
Isles mgmt would rather keep Nino up on the roster and use his salary toward the cap floor, “development” be damned, than spend on another player. That is pretty clear.
You think there isn’t an overpaid but still decent d-man out there that would prove an immeasurable upgrade over Mike friggin Mottau? Of course there is, but we ain’t payin for him!
by Original Rob on Dec 12, 2011 11:31 AM EST up reply actions
"development" be damned,
I don’t get this Development be damned idea. Last year a lot of people were calling for Matt Martin to be sent back to Bridgeport because he looked out of place and was only showing flashes. Yet he spent the whole year on the Island after being called up and is now having a phenomenal season.
The Isles made the right call on Martin last year, I’m going to have faith that they know what they are doing with a 5th overall selection compared to a 5th round pick.
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by Mark D on Dec 12, 2011 1:07 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
I guess that's the difference between us
You have faith that they know what they are doing. I don’t.
by Original Rob on Dec 12, 2011 3:46 PM EST up reply actions
But
Bailey aside (and he was an interesting case due to his injury and the team being awful) what players have the Islanders really screwed up developmentally in the last 2 or 3 years?
Nearly everyone they’ve traded away or let go has been either awful or the same player they were for the Islanders. I think the only one that has exceeded expectations is Hillen. Mostly because the Predators signed him as a depth/AHL guy.
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I just don't buy this "ruined them by calling them up too early" theory
its hogwash
de Haan is better than Mottau right now and should be called up – there are certain mistakes you simply need to make at the NHL level – you can’t learn that from playing the two degrees slower, less talented AHL
Larsson is learning here, de Haan should as well arguably
I'm curious
What are your thoughts on Bailey, on whether he should have gotten another year of Junior or not?
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If the Islanders sign an ice skating mule, the friggin jokes will never end.
Though honestly, if it plays D, I’ll take it over Mottau.
“Islanders penalty, Mule, 5 minutes for shitting on the ice and a game misconduct.”
“I tell ya what Howie, back in my day, shitting on the ice wasn’t a 5 and a game. it was encouraged, really. I mean, not openly, but I remember one time Bily Smith – "
“I think you mean ‘Billy’ Smith, Butchie.”
“No, Bily, different guy, I think. I don’t really remember, but anyway, old Bily shit in his glove then threw it at the other team’s goalie, like a screen. Ref’s never called anything. Pretty sure it worked a couple of times too…”
“Did Al Arbour ever say anything this?”
“Who?”
“Al Arbour. The coach.”
“Oh…no, i don’t think so. This happened mostly at the circus though. Al Arbour never came to those circus games. Neither did Bossy or Potvin comes to think of it….used to just be me and Bily most circus games.”
“I didn’t think Billy Smith would be a circus guy, Butchie…”
“Bily, not Billy. Bily was a little guy. Screamed a lot. Hairy SOB too, I tell ya. Loved bananas. He could eat a bunch of bananas faster that Jeanne Potvin, believe it or not. I’ve seen him do it.”
“Uhhh, Butchie, was Bily a chimpanzee?”
“Yes.”
“And he played hockey with you?”
“Yes.”
“At the circus?”
“At the circus, Howie. Yes. He was pretty good for a chimp too. He was really more of an agitator, like a shit throwing version of Sean Avery or Jon Sim. More like Jon Sim, I guess.”
blank stare
"Well, folks, we got more Islander hockey coming up right after the – "
“My point, Howie, was I don’t think the mule should have gotten 5 and a game. Don Cherry probably agrees. Give him 2 for interference, maybe, but 5 and a game? That’s a bad call.”
“God help me…”
by Les Beaver on Dec 12, 2011 11:54 AM EST up reply actions 9 recs
Only at Lighthouse Hockey, folks
We may be in the box, but you get the penalty.
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Thumbs up for this one, folks
STOP effin' messin' with my FnGO!!
by Nova Scotia Isles Fan on Dec 12, 2011 12:11 PM EST up reply actions
Good Lord
I’m fighting back tears here at work.
Don't make me bring out the Silky.
by afrosupreme on Dec 12, 2011 12:18 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I can't remember the last time I laughed this hard
I can hear their voices in my head as I read it
by Strong Island Thuggery on Dec 12, 2011 12:54 PM EST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
I'd like to know if this was made up or an actual transcript of Butchie and Howie?
Its too good NOT to be true.
Les beaver your impersonations of Butchie absolutely kill me
You need to compile a short book of these lol
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Fair points, and I’d like to see defensive salary added (though not at the expense of making a legitimate run at the prime free agents this year; i.e. Suter).
On the other hand, de Haan is all of one year older than Nino and has the same amount of pro experience. But he’s also playing a position that is much more difficult than Nino’s at the pro level. I still have the image of Jokinen working him over badly in the preseason in my head, warning me that as close to a full year of AHL hockey is the best thing going for de Haan.
Basically, I don’t think Nino would be hurt by playing with us this year. I don’t think it’s the same situation Bailey was in. He’s going to be asked to do very little but learn, yet will still have a good opportunity to exceed expectations. To me, the only negative to keeping him is bumping his UFA one year closer.
Don't make me bring out the Silky.
by afrosupreme on Dec 12, 2011 12:35 PM EST up reply actions
EEA++
The acquisition of Expiring Assets will be key to their second half. If they can acquire them early (Early Expiring Assets) will determine if they have a second half.
Suter might be on the market if Nashville doesn’t want to lose him for nothing in July. His price tag will most likely be high as he would be a rental, but the competition would be deep because there would most likely be 4-6 CUP contenders that would give up more than the islanders should for a rental like Suter. This is mainly because the odds of Suter sticking around after this year would be SLIM to NONE.
Their target should be somebody with less than 3 years left on their contract. If there is only 30 games left on a player’s deal their only tradeable asset is CAP SPACE and late picks. Now way do you give up a 1-2-3rd pick anymore for a defenseman that runs away as soon as the june turns into july.
One target might be Beauchemin(expiring). ANA will be sellers, though they may not want to sell him. I haven’t seen too many ANA games this year, but I thought that FB was relatively effective with good minutes in the past. But that is what I am looking for. It’s a ~$4M CAP/Budget hit, for a quality defenseman that could be taken of the books in July. The price for such an asset, again, would be steep… but I think if they got somebody like that in the fold, with the promise of playing with Hamonic as a top pairing.. it could be attractive to both parties if it $$$/term are right in July. The guy is 31, so a solid second half that gets the Isles into the playoffs could be a really nice payday for him. I’d think a 2nd or 3rd, plus an organizational defensive replacement (Klementyev?) and the budget relief might get him here if he’s for sale. The Islanders only have an extra 5th rounder. They’d need to work something out before the trade where there is at least a possibility of him re-signing though. A second round pick is a steep price for a team with no access to the UFA market.
TOP OF The WISHLIST… BOGOSIAN! Kirill Kabanov + 2nd rounder? Oduya (expiring) for a 3rd?
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You guys worry about the forwards...
But when MacDonald gets back, I hope we give Mottau the Comeau treatment.
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I don't know what to make of the last game
On the one hand it looks like they were disinterested after the penalty to Hamonic, as KO21 stated up above. I just don’t know if that’s really the issue with the team. It honestly looked like the Islanders defense was just tired. A lot more tired then I’ve personally seen them this season. To put it in terms of stats, Streits TOI/G for the year so far is 24:06, where as in the Penguins game his TOI was 27:20. As far as the rest of the defense their TOI for that game versus the average for the rest of the season so far was a full minute to 2 minutes more and in the case of Jurcina was almost 5 minutes more than he’s used to playing (I found these stats at http://espn.go.com/nhl/player/_/id/2103/milan-jurcina I left the page on Jurcina because of the disparity in his TOI stats). The stats make sense as the entire defense just looked tired. I know that other teams have to deal with situations like the one that arose during the Penguins game, but other teams also have at least 2 lines of top flight defense, and I don’t think that’s the case with the Islanders. Has Reese been playing better, yes he has but he’s still young enough to have brain farts in his own defensive zone. Jurcina has been playing better of late but he’s still not a first line or second line d-man. Mottau should be relegated to Alaska playing in a local rec hockey league for peanuts. Which leaves Staios, the givether and takether (wow, that sounded a lot better in my head). I think he’s probably best paired with Jurcina on the third line of defense. The major problem I see with this (Reese is close to becoming a solid second line defender, Mottau is an Alaskan elephant masquerading as an Islanders defenseman, Jurcina is a third liner playing second line with third line numbers, and Staios is a third liner and plays like it) is who could the Islanders get, and more importantly what would it cost them to get that person?
After that Hamonic penalty, you could feel the frustration and, excuse the hyperbole, despair set in.
For all the hard work and good play the game was going to be taken from them on bullshit. Not saying it’s right or true, but you could feel it. Not just the team, but the crowd.
by Les Beaver on Dec 12, 2011 10:47 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
From Maven to Matron
Gotta feel for Hamonic on that. Young kid being relied on in a tough game and he gets the boot on a ridiculously bad call. Then has to sit helplessly and watch his teammates flounder. I’d be wearing that cap down over my eyes as well.
Kudos to Fischler for being the kind old sage in this situation. He still asked Hammer the questions but threw in a bit of coaching advice and kind words at the very end. Hammer’s a pro athlete and will move on, but it was nice to see Stan show his subtle support for the kid.
by GreekIsles83 on Dec 12, 2011 10:53 AM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Agreed....Stan did nice job recognizing Hamonic state of mind
He really looked upset…almost like he was about to cry.
Love to see it though…the kid is a keeper for sure
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Hammer was class
And yep, you can tell that Fischler loves the kid as much as we do.
"We can't get pushed around," Haley said. "What commentators say about us, that's their job. My job is to try and limit as many people who want to take liberties with our guys as possible."
by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Dec 12, 2011 11:12 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
can't rec the Maven from here
But I’ll rec this comment.
We may be in the box, but you get the penalty.
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by mikb on Dec 12, 2011 12:05 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Interesting - Dom..............
What can be done with statistics, although not entirely to your point with re to Isle’s various Ws vs Ls since you are entirely honest but here goes “Liars figure and figures lie.” However getting by that last blurb, – The last stat. that comes after 82 games is the only one that counts, but of course what the team does with Ws and Ls during the season keeps you writing and us BSing. as wittnessed by my latest feeble attempt. Please no Amens!
Would you settle for “and so it is written”?
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by Les Beaver on Dec 12, 2011 10:46 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Gotta Love Hamonic
During that Interview he almost sounds like he’s about to cry.
Noticeably upset about the call and the play. Maven sounds like he can tell he is very upset…has to remind him not to let it get to him so much.
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That must be the “Hamonic Syndrome” Grabs referred to.
Don't make me bring out the Silky.
by afrosupreme on Dec 12, 2011 11:12 AM EST up reply actions
He busted his ass all his life to play in games like that
And they took it from him. How in the world he doesn’t explode is beyond me.
"We can't get pushed around," Haley said. "What commentators say about us, that's their job. My job is to try and limit as many people who want to take liberties with our guys as possible."
by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Dec 12, 2011 4:23 PM EST up reply actions
Maybe the defense got tired ...
the other night but the bigger and real problem is the defense is just a weak point. It’s that simple. Nothing against the guy – he looks like he always plays his ass off – but the prospect of Dylan Reese being ‘close’ as a second pair D-man is a problem. The top- pair guys are a virtual kid learning that role ‘on the job’ by necessity, and a guy noone thought was that good until 2 years ago and turned out to be really good, but hasn’t gotten back to that level since surgery and is now really on the downside age-wise. The rest of the guys (not counting MacDonald whose long term durability has to be a question now) are a bunch of 3rd pair guys at best and injury stop-gaps. I really like Donovan and maybe down the road he, Mayfield and Pedan could join Hamonic to forge a solid 4 guys. Maybe. But still, that’s only 4, and the ‘down the road’ part bothers me.
I don't think Reese being close to a second liner
is a problem. The kids been good, very good playing in a line combination that he probably shouldn’t be playing in with Mottau. Think about how much different his game would be if was playing with MacDonald, or Streit, or Hamonic. The overall point is that yes, the Islanders need more depth at defense, I just don’t think that’s something that can be fixed this season, mainly because I can’t see a trade target or a FA that Snow would want to go after, and I don’t think he wants to give up his prospects. In the short term right now they need to pair Reese with someone other than Mottau.
by IDCWhoYouLike on Dec 12, 2011 11:19 AM EST up reply actions
I don't want to be ...
misunderstood here, as sometimes happens. I’m not slamming Reese, but I think they’re gonna need better for their top 4 D-men. And I think it’s more than just depth they need for the position. I think the whole thing needs to be built. Hamonic is clearly a stalwart and a couple of good pieces may be in the pipeline. But like you say, it’s not gonna happen during the season, and it may not happen until the team’s whole future (ie. arena) is secured. That’s why I’m trying to keep my expectations in check and limit the frustration from weak play and bad losses. It’s tough.
remember last month?
The D was playing way over their heads but the Isles kept getting shut out? Remember how everyone said going into the year that we had expected to have a stronger offense than defense?
Yeah…. good times.
We may be in the box, but you get the penalty.
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or those that said the offense was sucking because the defense was useless.
The defense hasn’t been very good all year, the offense just couldn’t compensate for the contiinually bad clears and lack of transition game.
Impending changes on the PP?
Could this mean that maybe, just maybe, Brian Rolston will be taken off the point (and hopefully off the PP altogether)? Maybe. 27 games of shitty play hasn’t been reason enough yet to take him off the first unit though.
Wrong.
5 Brian Rolstons on the PP. It’s going to be all Rolston, all the time!
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by Fabtraption on Dec 12, 2011 12:02 PM EST up reply actions
I honestly doubt it
They’ve used him so much there. And Capuano never seems disappointed with him.
It read to me as an open musing about changes (like Capuano sometimes does without following through right away), with Staple deducing that they can’t change much other than pop Haley in or out, so maybe the PP gets a different look.
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And if guys really were ...
‘disinterested’ after the Hamonic call, then there’s a bigger problem than just personnel on the backline.
Young team, man
I understand you sell yourself as this ultra-competitive guy, but things like this happen in sports.
This isn’t the first young team trying to grow that this happened to, and I’m sure the Pens themselves went through this in their rebuild as did the Hawks.
Young teams learn how to win. Or I have been being lied to all these years.
"We can't get pushed around," Haley said. "What commentators say about us, that's their job. My job is to try and limit as many people who want to take liberties with our guys as possible."
by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Dec 12, 2011 11:16 AM EST up reply actions
Sell myself???
What a schmuck thing to say. I’ve never sold anything in my life. Comments like that remind me of the arrogant and condescending drek that pervaded Botta’s site and eventually ruined it, along with the childishness. I guess now I need to start looking for a new site where people aren’t hung up on evaluating and rating other posters, dick.
I think "present yourself as" is maybe a better way to think about that idea.
After all, everyone sees oneself fitting into one general frame of mind or another a lot of the time.
You being seen as the type that is more on the competitive side by another poster here, is that any kind of a bad thing? I dont think so at all.
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by TheMetalChick on Dec 12, 2011 11:59 AM EST up reply actions
yeah, present yourself is a better way to say it.
i mean you did say you get angry when you lose a coin flip.
Would you rather I call you a sore loser?
"We can't get pushed around," Haley said. "What commentators say about us, that's their job. My job is to try and limit as many people who want to take liberties with our guys as possible."
by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Dec 12, 2011 12:06 PM EST up reply actions
Guys, this isn't necessary
Everyone loses it from time to time. Life goes on. Heck, after the Pens game I felt like setting my television on fire. Definitely a low point in this season.
We may be in the box, but you get the penalty.
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by mikb on Dec 12, 2011 12:26 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
I have no idea what you are talking about, mikb.
I never “lose it” by watching the Isles, Jets, or Mets. I’m completely happy watching all three of them compete. I can’t say I have complaints with any of those organizations or the players who play for them.
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by CharlieIsles on Dec 12, 2011 12:53 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Site violation!
I think all rants and drunken expressions of desperation at LHH are supposed to be underwritten by Chivas Regal, if I’m not mistaken.
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It's all good
I didn’t really mean anything by it. I see nothing wrong with being competitive.
May have been a poor choice of words, but my intention wasn’t to call him out. I’m not as edumacated as some of you here are.
"We can't get pushed around," Haley said. "What commentators say about us, that's their job. My job is to try and limit as many people who want to take liberties with our guys as possible."
by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Dec 12, 2011 1:08 PM EST up reply actions
edumacated - is that Stern Fan reference?
I believe so
No, a southern thing I think. For me at least.
"We can't get pushed around," Haley said. "What commentators say about us, that's their job. My job is to try and limit as many people who want to take liberties with our guys as possible."
by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Dec 12, 2011 1:56 PM EST up reply actions
For me too
I think it’s fairly widespread in many of these here parts.
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Used in context…
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I am not in BNOY's head but I dont know if he meant it to be condescending.
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by KO21 on Dec 12, 2011 1:40 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
That Locomtiv story is just heartwrenching.
I’ve never had people I didn’t know die, and felt like I did that day, with the exception of 9/11.
Not trying to compare the two days, just my reactions to them.
"We can't get pushed around," Haley said. "What commentators say about us, that's their job. My job is to try and limit as many people who want to take liberties with our guys as possible."
by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Dec 12, 2011 11:18 AM EST reply actions
I know what you mean. And the details and “if onlys” are pretty gut-wrenching.
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The details, wow
Some of the picture it put in my head aren’t so good, bro.
"We can't get pushed around," Haley said. "What commentators say about us, that's their job. My job is to try and limit as many people who want to take liberties with our guys as possible."
by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Dec 12, 2011 1:10 PM EST up reply actions
Am I the only one at this point who has a sneaky suspicion that we won't see any of our D Prospects until 9 games left in the season?
(Not including Wishart).
Also if Nino has a concussion I could see a similar thing with him to prevent him from hitting 10 games (if that works).
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The 9-game thing doesn't apply to the D prospects, if that's what you're thinking
Those guys are all 20 or older, so their pro contracts have already kicked and there is no “slide” possibility. Not like the Nino situation (if that’s what you were thinking).
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by Dominik on Dec 12, 2011 12:43 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Reference - CBA 9.1
In the event that an 18 year old or 19 year old Player signs an SPC with a Club but does not play at least ten (10) NHL Games in the first season under that SPC, the term of his SPC and his number of years in the Entry Level System shall be extended for a period of one (1) year, except that this automat ic extension will not apply to a Player who is 19 according to Section 9.2 by virtue of turning 20 between September 16 and December 31 in the year in which he first signs an SPC. Unless a Player and Club expressly agree to the contrary, in the event a Player’s SPC is extended an addit ional year in accordance wit h this subsect ion, all terms of the SPC, with the except ion of Signing Bonuses, but including Paragraph 1 Salary, games played bonuses and Exhibit 5 bonuses, shall be extended; provided, however, that the Player’s Paragraph 1 Salary shall be extended in all circumstances.
As usual, there are more conditions after that, but that’s the main point. (And in typical NHL CBA fashion, it refers to this possibility as a “slide” later on in the document but does not mention “slide” in the actual section where it explains what that means!)
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Then if we're going for things, can we start the call-ups?
I’m sick of saying “Goddamn it Mottau/Staios/Jurcina/Reese”. Wishart’s almost certainly ready and I’d imagine De Haan/Donovan aren’t far behind either (or all call up Ness, he’s basically expendable.)
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Tough to say without seeing them
I don’t mind those guys getting reps if/when they’re not blowing the present competition away. I can only contrast it with Hamonic, who there was a buzz about right away well before he got the call.
I don’t understand the Wishart situation, unless there is just something missing in his head.
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Well there was a buzz and a desperation thing that got us to call up Hammer.
Even so, Mottau is just….GAH!
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Yeah
I keep reading each small move as, “Oooh, maybe we’re getting a D callup NOW!”
On the “expendable” part: That’s why I’d love to have Wishart around. Even if he isn’t going to become a regular … for the love of Mottau is there any harm in trying? If Wishart comes up and flames out, so be it. At least we know. And got some Mottau relief.
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I wonder
Any chance you think they are maybe hoping to bring up two at once? Would they possibly be hoping to let Wishart and de Haan build some chemistry in the AHL and then bring them up as a unit, rather than bring up one and try and shelter them with someone currently on the roster?
Don't make me bring out the Silky.
I don't know
But they only have one extra D at BPT, and they seem insistent on keeping Mottau around.
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too keep Al's GAA within signability
on an extension?
These comments crawl up from the depths of the deepest Chasm of Saar
Nino and his concussion
I can see him anxious to get back. I hope he doesn’t rush things and tell them that he feels better if he doesn’t really feel 100% better. That was a huge hit and he was way out of it when they skated him off the ice. I’ll tell you from my own experience that that is going to take more than two weeks to recover from. Especially if he doesn’t remember the hit
by Strong Island Thuggery on Dec 12, 2011 1:08 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Oh I'm not asking to rush him.
I just suspect that if his injury is bad enough for him to miss say most of the season, they’ll shut him down entirely for contract reasons.
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apparently RSH is wrong
NOT everyone can backcheck.
We may be in the box, but you get the penalty.
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nah
I miss him too. Everyone bitches about players having no personality and giving canned responses, but the second someone opens their mouth everyone jumps down it.
Like when Kovy mocked Winnipeg after they booed him. Puck Daddy gave him dishonorable mention of the night.
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by Mark D on Dec 12, 2011 1:23 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Kovalchuk didnt say anything wrong in that, either.
Actually, I think what he said was surprisingly witty.
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by TheMetalChick on Dec 12, 2011 1:47 PM EST up reply actions
agree
that was part of my point, it was a pretty funny line.
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It was quite a dick thing to say
But utterly hilarious, i almost spit my drink out when i read that quote lol
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If he said it to Atlanta fans Id agree. But to Winnipeg? Hilarious.
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by TheMetalChick on Dec 13, 2011 10:02 AM EST up reply actions
Well we were right the other day
From NHL.com
Quote:
Sidney Crosby told reporters in Pittsburgh on Monday that he has had some concussion-like symptoms recently, which is why he did not play in the previous two games and likely will not play Tuesday against Detroit. He said there is no timeframe for his return.
“I’m not feeling bad,” Crosby, who did not practice Monday, said according to tweets from Penguins website writer Sam Kasan. “Just have to be careful and make sure I’m 100 percent before I return.”
Crosby did not feeling 100 percent after taking a couple of hits in last Monday’s 3-1 loss to Boston. He passed the initial baseline concussion test, but said it’s not enough for him to feel comfortable going back on the ice.
“You have to listen to your body,” he said. “Passing ImPACT (baseline test) was encouraging, but it’s not everything.”
Crosby said he has been doing some light exercises.
“It’s the same recovery routine again, but hopefully not as long,” he said.
Crosby missed the first 20 games of the season while overcoming concussion symptoms that forced him to miss the final 41 games as well as the playoffs last season. He returned on Nov. 21 and had 4 points against the Islanders, and has 12 points in eight games this season.
"We can't get pushed around," Haley said. "What commentators say about us, that's their job. My job is to try and limit as many people who want to take liberties with our guys as possible."
by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Dec 12, 2011 1:07 PM EST reply actions
You think if he keeps missing games because of this injury, we see insults like those thrown Ricky’s way after all of his injuries.
Can one be an atheist toward a hockey team? That means I have NO faith anymore.
by Turgeon1992 on Dec 12, 2011 1:21 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Hope not.
He doesnt deserve to be constantly tortured for something that isnt his fault, either.
Not to mention he is arguably the top hockey player in the world.
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by TheMetalChick on Dec 12, 2011 1:50 PM EST up reply actions
Wow, I wonder if they are just babying him way too much...
Or is he just babying himself too much? He missed so much time with a concussion and if it was all warranted and he was feeling the effects for all of that time then he must have some permanent brain damage…He was out for almost a year, right? That’s a long time. I wonder whats really going on. I just said, if hes still feeling the effects after a year then this is not just a concussion anymore…I never liked Crysby because the NHL has showed him in our faces to the point where it makes me dislike him…But I would hate to see his career ruined like it did to Savards.
Well...he plays for the Penguins
so he must have some sort of brain damage.
/rimshot
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by Fabtraption on Dec 12, 2011 2:01 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
For his career to be ruined in such a way
would be a terrible, terrible thing. Besides as TMC mentioned above that he’s one of the best hockey players on the planet, it’s sometimes easy to forget that these guys, whether they play for the Islanders, Penguins, etc., are human beings with families, children, etc.
The next 5-10 years are going to be groundbreaking for all sports as we enter an age of enlightenment on concussions, hard hits, fighting, helmet to helmet, steroids, etc. It’s likely that by the time my kids are my age, they will be complaining about sports things that aren’t close to existing nowadays.
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by CharlieIsles on Dec 12, 2011 2:09 PM EST up reply actions
It took him an extremely long time to recover, I did a little research and found out
he had a severe concussion. And the diagnosis is terrible:
" If symptoms are not resolved by one year, they are likely to be permanent, though improvements may occur after even two or three years,7 or may suddenly occur after a long time without much improvement.47 Older people and those who have previously suffered another head injury are likely to take longer to recover."
“If another blow to the head occurs after a concussion but before its symptoms have gone away, there is a very slight risk of developing the extremely rare but deadly second-impact syndrome (SIS). In SIS, the brain rapidly swells, greatly increasing intracranial pressure. People who have repeated mild head injuries over a prolonged period, such as boxers and Gridiron football players, are at risk for Chronic traumatic encephalopathy (or the related variant dementia pugilistica), a severe, chronic disorder involving a decline in mental and physical abilities”
What do you mean they won 4 cups in a row? Is that possible?
Maybe he's more sensitive to disruption to his spacial awareness?
I remember reading one theory about his long layoff was that his rather elite vision/awareness that makes him such a great player might also make him more susceptible to feeling “not right.” No idea if there’s any merit to that, but hey it’s a theory and the advocate called himself “doctor.”
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I don't expect Crosby back till January the earliest. Most likely late January/Early February.
Sucks for him. I think it was a head shot in the Bruins game that did it. If it’s happened now, it will likely happen again. Sucks for him and the game, but I really believe his career is done. He can’t just just play a couple weeks/sit a month out, play a couple weeks/sit a month out, repeat/repeat, over and over again. He’s gonna take some rough hits and at his size their is gonna be some upper body/head whiplash/contact. If he can’t take them as it shows right now, his career is done for better or worse. Or, he goes into the DP scenario: Do I trade my health later in life for another year or 2 of hockey?
What do you mean they won 4 cups in a row? Is that possible?
Good point.
I hope for his sake he does what’s best for him and his family.
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by CharlieIsles on Dec 12, 2011 2:43 PM EST up reply actions
I mean, he's already accumulated a lot of money and has a cup. If I was him I'd retire. Pens fans wouldn't like it, but the hockey world would understand.
He’s already made over $25mil in contract money, and likely millions more in advertising. I think he’s well off right now to retire.
What do you mean they won 4 cups in a row? Is that possible?
It's worse then we thought. He's not even practicing.
Last time he started practicing with the team, it took him 2months to get back. I wouldn’t be surprised if he shuts himself down for the year. Might be the plan actually, or at least shutdown till the playoffs.
What do you mean they won 4 cups in a row? Is that possible?
I'm shocked
I just looked at “What We Learned” for this week, and Lambert actually said something good about the Isles. I think it’s a first.
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i was speechless
but it is true, Ullstrom does have a nice shot
screw homework, its all about islanders hockey
Kinda surprised the Hamonic Phantom Elbow wasn't brought up
I guess no one besides those who watched it care, but you think word would have spread since Saturday.
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by PGI on Dec 12, 2011 2:00 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Ive only seen Penguin propaganda
With this one, its that the call was wrong- it should have been a 2-minute since according to their vivid imaginations, he elbowed him in the face. Im really pissed off at a Penguins fan over at the arena who has been insisting on the boards and in PM that Hamonic elbowed Orpiks face and thats why the stick got him. the video is on a permanent loop right there on the Pens board but he just wont see it.
One of the two stupidest game-changing calls of the season- and they were both on Travis Hamonic.
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by TheMetalChick on Dec 12, 2011 2:18 PM EST up reply actions
Why didn't Orpik get a high sticking penalty at the least?
Since when are you allowed to defend yourself from a hit by raising your stick? The slow mo replay doesn’t do much good either, I keep reading it was a “late” hit. No shit Jack-off the replay is in SLOOOOW motion. The bandwagaon Penguins fans can be pretty stupid, but to their credit hockey has only existed since the lockout and there is a lot to learn in such a short while.
by Hockey1919 on Dec 12, 2011 2:22 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
That's crazy
You can say your team benefited from a bullshit call against your opponent. Doesn’t mean your team didn’t deserve to win.
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Exactly.
The guy is making it as if any argument against the call is actually an argument that the Pens didnt deserve to win the game. Its ridiculous.
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by TheMetalChick on Dec 12, 2011 2:54 PM EST up reply actions
Let him keep saying it
The longer he tries to convince the world there was a penalty there, the dumber he looks.
"We can't get pushed around," Haley said. "What commentators say about us, that's their job. My job is to try and limit as many people who want to take liberties with our guys as possible."
by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Dec 12, 2011 4:20 PM EST up reply actions
This is true and sucks for Hammer...
One of the two stupidest game-changing calls of the season- and they were both on Travis Hamonic.
Some interesting things at IPB
Nino is skating with the team, but in a red practice jersey. He will not travel with the team to Montreal… Poulin returned to Brigeport, so Nabokov is off IR… Pandolfo still with a boot on his right foot… Andy MacDonald is not traveling with the team…
Would have liked to see Poulin again – see if he can recapture the magic.
Also, they discussed Garth potentially looking at getting Hamonic’s game misconduct rescinded, as there is a 3-strikes-and-your-out (i.e. banned for a game) policy on those. They also mentioned that the refs, by rule, had to give Hamonic the game misconduct because the initial call was a major penalty and there was a resulting injury – those 2 together gets the game misconduct. This is otherwise known as “2 wrongs don’t make a right”.
Success was survival and, kid, it still is
the initial call was a major penalty and there was a resulting injury
So incredibly stupid, especially since Orpik’s ensuing “injury” was a result of his own damn stick hitting him in his big dumb ugly face. Yes, I’m still bitter.
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by Fabtraption on Dec 12, 2011 2:04 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
WHAT ABOUT TEH GRITZ, GARTH!?
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Micheal Haley returned to Bridgeport, Evgeni Nabokov off IR for #Isles.
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Had to send back someone.
If it wasnt Haley it would have been Ullstrom or Wallace.
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by TheMetalChick on Dec 12, 2011 2:15 PM EST up reply actions
Yea
Interesting it wasn’t Wallace, but I guess not really since he played over Haley since being called up. I guess Haley really doesn’t fit their plans much. He basically was just insurance they entire time he was up.
Don't make me bring out the Silky.
IDK, I think they like Haley just fine.
Getting a taste of a fwe of these guys at this level isnt a bad thing.
Wallace has paid his dues in the AHL longer than Haley has.
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by TheMetalChick on Dec 12, 2011 2:26 PM EST up reply actions
Didn't have to send back someone
With Poulin already being sent back.
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Right, duh
So this actually takes us down to 21 on the active, correct?
Hard to read that as anything but a $ issue, especially with BP off until Saturday…
Don't make me bring out the Silky.
22, I think
Including Nino.
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Im losing track of the number of players.
I wonder why they wanted a spot?
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by TheMetalChick on Dec 12, 2011 9:55 PM EST up reply actions
Player
coming through waivers?
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In other Islanders Twitter news
Dylan Reese, now on the 140 character bandwagon:
Matt Martin @mattymarts17
- in your programs,#1 in your hearts. Commonly known as dylpickle or Reese’s pieces ,Dylan Reese is now on twitter.. @DreeseDicer #beauty
"He's depriving some small village of a pretty good idiot" - Mike Milbury on Ziggy Palffy's agent. On Twitter: @Dan_of_Science
Wow- its crazy how many guys are joining in
Let Us Go, Islanders! (Ever notice how strange that sounds without the contraction?)
by TheMetalChick on Dec 12, 2011 2:27 PM EST up reply actions
I hope to Jebus he keeps playing decent because if he doesnt, hell get torn to shreds on there
Remember what happened to Bruno when he left for Tampa?
"Mario Lemiuex… I used to respect you."- Turgeon1992
Is DP even practicing? Why wasn't he IR'd so we could carry another extra man?
Some of these GM decisions are mindboggling. I know Haley has teh gritz and can fight when need be, and I like what I see from Wallace, but why not create the extra roster spot if we can to carry an extra guy?
What do you mean they won 4 cups in a row? Is that possible?
They actually already have a spot open
With Poulin returned, they have:
3 goaltenders
6 defensemen
13 forwards (Nino being the extra)
That still leaves an (unfilled) opening.
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1979-80
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May 24, 1980: Tonelli to Nystrom. At long last, the steady build of the New York Islanders from expansion doormat to surprise semifinalist to annual contender reaches the promised land: Buoyed by a late season trade for Butch Goring that gave the team the depth up the middle GM Bill Torrey had been seeking, the Islanders knock off the Philadelphia Flyers in six games.
The victory justified the faith in coach Al Arbour who guided them from their second season to their first Stanley Cup seven seasons later. The Islanders would not be the first expansion team to win the Stanley Cup, but they would be the only one capable of a dynasty.
1980-81
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May 21, 1981: This time it was much easier. After falling to "only" 91 points in the 1979-80 season, the Islanders returned to their division title tradition, piling up 110 points -- a whole 13 points over second-place Philadelphia.
Between the quarterfinals (where they beat the upstart Oilers in six games) and the finals, the Islanders reeled off eight consecutive wins -- with a four-game sweep of archrival Rangers in between. As they defeated the Minnesota North Stars in five games for their second Cup, their goal difference in the final was a combined +10.
1981-82
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May 16, 1982: Another year, another landslide title. The Islanders won the Patrick Division by a whopping 26 points over the second-place Rangers, and were seven points clear of their nearest competition for the President's Trophy, the still-not-quite-ripe Edmonton Oilers.
A first-round scare against the Pittsburgh Penguins turned in the Isles' favor thanks to John Tonelli's heroics, and a true dynasty was on its way: Past the Rangers in six games, then an eight-game sweep of the Quebec Nordiques and Vancouver Canucks to run away with the Stanley Cup.
1982-83
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May 17, 1983: Not so fast, whipper-snappers. The Edmonton Oilers' steadily rising challenge for league supremacy took them all the way to the finals for the first time, where the New York Islanders summarily dispatched them in a four-game sweep. For the Islanders, the Dynasty was secured. For the Oilers, it was a powerful lesson in where talent ends and the demands of playoff hockey begin.
Four years, four Cups, 16 consecutive playoff series wins (a record that would grow to 19 until the rematch with the Oilers the following year). Mike Bossy scored 60 goals yet again, and Wayne Gretzky became acquainted with Billy Smith's crease.
