Recap: Penguins 6 Islanders 3, always something as Hamonic ejected on bogus call
Well, things started off on the right foot. The Islanders got off to the early lead they'd like to see, they were physical, skating and Al Montoya was looking good in the net. They were getting calls and were working hard...what could possibly go wrong? Well, their number one defenceman (arguably) got ejected on a very bad elbowing call.
Hamonic was on the ice to kill a Milan Jurcina penalty and went out to pressure Brooks Orpik on the point. Orpik dumped the puck in, turned and put his back to the boards. As Hamonic skated by, he gave him a bit of the shoulder and forearm and Orpik had put his arms up to protect himself. The recoil of the collision snapped his own stick (which was obviously high) into his head...he made himself bleed his own blood, and Hamonic was assessed a five minute major and game misconduct...for elbowing?!?!
Officials have a difficult job, the game happens so fast, blah blah blah, the NHL has mechanisms available that could eliminate any error in situations like this. They use instant replay and video constantly. In a case where there is going to be a game misconduct they should be implementing a video review immediately or at least a coaches challenge to make sure they got it right. It's unfortunate when officiating effects the outcome of games, it's unconscionable when it happens more than once. They have to make sure they get these right. In this case, they took out the Islanders best shut down option for over half a game and the dropoff in the Islanders play was noticeable (which is scary when you're talking about losing one player). They they went two men down, didn't score for the remainder and gave up three more.
Bad referee...no donut. Video of the hit and game highlights and commentary after the jump.
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Game Highlights
Putting the bad call aside, the Islanders got off the the start they wanted, gaining a 2-0 lead over Marc Andre Fleury early in the first on goals by David Ullstrom (snipe/wrist/high glove) and Milan Jurcina (slap/screen/glove). But the Penguins would answer on goals by Steve Sullivan (Streit flub/two on one/tap in) and James Neal. Neal's goal came off an apparent error by Hamonic where he was heading behind the net on Al Montoya's right and reversed the puck right to a Penguin. Howie Rose and Butch Goring speculated that perhaps a Penguin player called for the puck/reversal (shenanigans and trickery). The puck ended up on Evgeni Malkin's stick and he fed Neal who was all alone in front of the net.
Kyle Okposo and the rest of the FNGuys had a strong game again and Okposo in particular got fans excited with his wicked wrist shot over Fleury's glove that gave the Isles the last lead they'd have on the night. Let's hope that shoulder is where it's supposed to be and we ee some more of that.
Beyond that, the rest of the game was pretty ugly after Hamonic was ejected. The Penguins didn't score on the 5 on 3, but they got the equalizer during the ensuing major, the Isles were forced to play Reese (19:27), Mottau (16:00), Jurcina (22:37) and Staios (19:51) and Streit (27:20). Streit looked bad for much of the night and was committing errors we're not used to seeing out of him...probably a symptom of the excessive ice time. But the rest were given ice time beyond their pay grade. You can't win too many games like that.
The Isles had their opportunities to the tune of seven power plays on the night (1 of 7) that they could've capitalized on, but the power play looked disorganized and fire drill-ish complete with wide shots and bad zone entries...they actually generated more chances during Hamonic's major with Okposo, Grabner and Bailey generating excellent chances with all the extra ice.
Also, Matt Cooke scored just to twist the dagger...and it was a nice goal.
Line of the night from Howie Rose on Matt Cooke:
He's like a wallflower now...just another passive hippie out there.
He would later slash Mark Streit.
Hamonic Video:
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Bad call but the signs were already there
Travis should not have been given a major and game, no question. A terrible call.
I think that even though the isles were ahead at the time, they were in trouble. Streit and Hamonic were each at fault on the first 2 goals. I think that they are starting to show the wear of being leaned on so hard.
Also, Montoya was not as sharp as he’s been. He is not controlling his rebounds as well. I think that he was showing cracks in the Blackhawks game.
He is clearly the number 1, but i think he needs a break. Let Poulin play in Montreal. I think that it is his home town (not sure about that)
I think they need to forget about this one and come back strong against the Canadiens.
by DanInDubai on Dec 10, 2011 11:01 PM EST via mobile reply actions 3 recs
Also, Montoya was not as sharp as he’s been. He is not controlling his rebounds as well. I think that he was showing cracks in the Blackhawks game.
He is clearly the number 1, but i think he needs a break. Let Poulin play in Montreal. I think that it is his home town (not sure about that)
I was just saying the same thing. His rebounds were really bad last game, as well.
And youre right, Poulin is from Montreal.
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by TheMetalChick on Dec 10, 2011 11:35 PM EST up reply actions
It was a back and forth game, before that penalty the Isles scored the go ahead goal. I don't think we were in trouble, I think we could and should have one that given the overall play before that.
The Pens really just got lucky on that 1 d-zone turnover which tied the game at 2-2. Other then that, we held up pretty well overall.
What do you mean they won 4 cups in a row? Is that possible?
I only saw the first period
but Al did an excellent job on rebounds there. Can’t speak for the rest of the game. But I agree, let Poulin get a game in front of his friends and family and give Al four straight days off.
The defense crapping the bed twice there in the first was complete dagger. Should have easily been a two goal lead going into the second. And you expect that stuff from anyone but Hamonic and Streit, which made it tougher to swallow.
Don't make me bring out the Silky.
Actually Monty was doing a great job for the 1st half of the game gobbling up rebounds...
This game is in the past…I think they will come out hard in the next one in response to this bad game…
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by Dominik on Dec 10, 2011 11:10 PM EST reply actions 7 recs
Thank you
/takes bow
There are a lot of great pictures from this game in the editor. Great action shots…was very torn using such a lame pic, but it just spoke to me.
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by Keith Quinn on Dec 10, 2011 11:15 PM EST up reply actions
if they are going to use replay to get game changing plays correct
then they need to deal with instances like this as well
common sense
Coaches challenge
Work out the scenarios it can be used and implement it. What, Is Bettman scared he wont be able to fistfuck teams at will anymore?
Only God saves more than Montoya
I strongly feel
our 4th line should be an energy line from BPT
I understand Martin-Reasoner-Wallace was supposed to defend the top line, but Ullstrom-Bailey-Wallace worked well
Its time to ditch Rolston, and call up Dibenedetto – he’d shake things up in a game like this – Cizikas also wouldn’t put up with skating in circles – he’s always trying to win – Reasoner to the press box, Rolston to BPT
Aside from the horseshit call-
Lets all just admit that Montoya wasnt very good tonight, either.
The rebounds last game and this game are bothering me.
IMO Poulin should to start against the Habs.
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Montoya was bad, and not sound like we are cursed or anything. But during pre-game practice,
Montoya slipped/fell hard on his back/butt around the crease. Not sure if anyone who went to the game saw that during warmups. But I did and was worried as hell. He got back up and looked ok, but I have no idea if that hurt or affected his performace tonight.
What do you mean they won 4 cups in a row? Is that possible?
Id maybe worry a bit about that too, except that he didnt look any different tonight than he did last night.
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by TheMetalChick on Dec 10, 2011 11:54 PM EST up reply actions
Monty sucking up rebounds up until the penalty to Hammer...
I remember this because I made a note of it in the game thread…He let up one really weak goal…The rest of the game was a blur..
Even Orpik admitted he was taken aback by the call.
“I was surprised it was a five-minute major,” he said. “I didn’t think it was a five-minute major.”
Even Orpik only expected to get a terrible double minor call
by MSBerg on Dec 10, 2011 11:39 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Orpik expected 2mins for elbowing/high hit, that call destroyed us.
What do you mean they won 4 cups in a row? Is that possible?
Was it even a "high hit"?
Hamonic’s shoulder hit Orpik’s stick into his forehead. When an opponent puts his stick in front of his forehead, isn’t that what you’re supposed to do?
Technically, it could have just as easily have been a high stick on Orpik.
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by North Dakota Red Eagle on Dec 10, 2011 11:52 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Basically
he high-sticked himself.
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by Fabtraption on Dec 10, 2011 11:54 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Just making sure I'm not crazy
When Shanahan reviews this one, I hope the ref gets a suspension.
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by North Dakota Red Eagle on Dec 10, 2011 11:55 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Orpik should get the suspension, you are responsible for your own stick
and he knocked Hamonic out of the game due to careless use of his stick.
by Hockey1919 on Dec 11, 2011 9:37 AM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Good point.
By definition, that would indeed make him guilty. By thinking out of the box, we are putting Orpik IN the box.
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by ICanSeeForIslesAndIsles on Dec 11, 2011 4:08 PM EST up reply actions
Shanahan should suspend Bettman
and put Dom in charge
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by Thaddeus Ballpheasant on Dec 12, 2011 3:12 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Well, don't blame him.
He had a worse angle than the Ref (and probably was acting a bit).
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by Keith Quinn on Dec 10, 2011 11:55 PM EST reply actions 4 recs
Is it true also that Capuano asked for an explanation from the refs and didn't even get one?
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by Fabtraption on Dec 10, 2011 11:57 PM EST up reply actions
Im sure it is.
Cappy isnt the type to make drama- quite the opposite, in fact.
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by TheMetalChick on Dec 10, 2011 11:59 PM EST up reply actions
I don't know what it means exactly
he says “I didn’t get one”…I don’t know if that means he asked and didn’t get one or what. But I think that’s bullshit. Especially in the case of a major/game misconduct or regular misconduct where you lose a player or your team is at a severe disadvantage.
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by Keith Quinn on Dec 11, 2011 12:00 AM EST up reply actions
Especially when it's one of the 6 defensemen, and...
…especially when it is the best defensive defenseman and the best overall defenseman.
It’s not like Rolston was thrown out of the game.
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by North Dakota Red Eagle on Dec 11, 2011 12:04 AM EST up reply actions
He looked like he thought about it a little bit before he answered.
I am absolutely certain that a team losing their top defensive defenseman for the entire remainder of a game is going to ask why.
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by TheMetalChick on Dec 11, 2011 12:07 AM EST up reply actions
Seriously, has anyone ever seen a less deserving 5-and-game?
This is almost as bad as the 4 refs not seeing the puck hit off the glass and calling the delay-of-game on Hamonic. Not quite as bad though, because only one ref missed this one.
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by North Dakota Red Eagle on Dec 10, 2011 11:59 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Nope
and I don’t even fault Orpik really. I’m sure that hurt like hell from the way he was bleeding, so I’m sure I would’ve gone down too. But obviously the officials reacted to him and not to the play itself, and that sucks.
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by Keith Quinn on Dec 11, 2011 12:01 AM EST up reply actions 5 recs
Exactly
Just like the puck-off-glass, the ref called a penalty when he didn’t have a clear view of what happened. As fast as the game is, that should never happen. When in doubt, DON’T CALL A PENALTY THAT YOU DID NOT SEE.
If you’re not 100% sure it’s a penalty, how can you give a 5 + game?
If he doesn’t see it, let Shanahan decide if it deserves a suspension. Isn’t that part of the reason the NHL has that system? (He can easily give out suspensions, but he can’t give Hamonic back the remainder of that game.)
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by North Dakota Red Eagle on Dec 11, 2011 12:09 AM EST up reply actions 5 recs
EXACTLY. Couldnt agree more.
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by TheMetalChick on Dec 11, 2011 12:14 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
That's really what it comes down to
When in doubt, DON’T CALL A PENALTY THAT YOU DID NOT SEE. If you’re not 100% sure it’s a penalty, how can you give a 5 + game?
Indeed, it’s simply inexcusable. What’s the best answer to give a team complaining about a missed call? “I didn’t see it.” That’s all. Call what you see. Don’t guess about what you didn’t. If you miss a tragedy, the league can enact supplementary discipline. If you call a tragedy when there wasn’t one, there’s no un-doing it.
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by Dominik on Dec 11, 2011 3:39 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
If you're afraid of what the other team is going to say to you when you get it right...
…then you aren’t meant to be an NHL referee. Full stop.
We may be in the box, but you get the penalty.
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by mikb on Dec 11, 2011 7:20 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
This is up there with Stephane Auger’s 10-minute misconduct penalty to Fransie… IMO it is even worse.
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by TheMetalChick on Dec 11, 2011 12:05 AM EST up reply actions
unfrekinbelievable....
The chosen team had another game handed to them…. I would bet thats the 4th game that the refs influenced against us this season.
by risenrule on Dec 11, 2011 12:18 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
I'm just curious...
Does Pittsburg ever have a game go horribly against them to balance the scales? Of course I mean in reality and not according to their fanbase.
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I did see some poor calls against them the last time theyve played the Rangers
They do get screwed sometimes, just no where near the fist-f*ckery that happens to the Isles
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We see it too, once in a while...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f_Wxm6hw8MA
Shoulder to shoulder hit, initially called a hit to the head and later elbowing, which resulted in our best defenseman getting five minutes and more than half a game, all because of Comeau’s helmet pooping off his head.
It happens to everyone.
by Hatt the Moople on Dec 11, 2011 1:43 PM EST up reply actions
Err...
And that should read “Comeau’s helmet popping off his head.”
by Hatt the Moople on Dec 11, 2011 1:44 PM EST up reply actions
It was an overdone call on a hit
At least it WAS a hit. This was literally a little bump. Ive never seen this before.
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by TheMetalChick on Dec 11, 2011 2:25 PM EST up reply actions
Are blindside hits illegal at all? Not sure what the rules are on that given the NHL's revisions and such.
What do you mean they won 4 cups in a row? Is that possible?
Well, that's the old...
…his head is looking one way towards the puck and his body is going another way. In relation to the puck, it is a blind-side hit, but not in relation to where Comeau was traveling.
I am not 100% sure where the NHL stands on the issue, but I think you should be able to check where the player is traveling, at least 180 degree-range (front or side). I don’t like those diagonally-behind hits. (270 degree ones).
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by North Dakota Red Eagle on Dec 11, 2011 4:05 PM EST up reply actions
From what I understand...
…on the blind side issue the league is only concerned with hits to the head. If you’re hitting a guy in the shoulder in open ice, it doesn’t matter which way he’s looking (assuming you’re not hitting him right in the numbers on the back). For hits like this when you’re cutting across the middle, should you be exempt from any hit because you’re looking at the puck in your feet? I agree that hitting someone in the head when they’re in this position is a big no-no, but if you’re hitting someone in the shoulder/armpit, it should be fair game.
Anyway, the call was initially made for an illegal hit to the head, and was later changed on the score sheet to a match penalty for elbowing, of which it was neither. My point is that we got hosed that night, just like you guys got royally screwed last night. The refs saw the result and filled in the blanks as to how the players got there. I agree with all of you that there are some issues with how the game is officiated, and there have been for a while. How to fix them, though, I’m not too sure. Video review is one way, but it would slow the game right down. Refs in the stands? I don’t know.
by Hatt the Moople on Dec 11, 2011 4:26 PM EST up reply actions
Refs who don't fill in the blanks would be a start
They assumed that the blood from Orpik’s head was caused by Hamonic’s elbow or stick. In other words, if Orpik’s stick doesn’t cause blood to pour out, I don’t think they call a 5 and game.
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by North Dakota Red Eagle on Dec 11, 2011 4:40 PM EST up reply actions
Definitely, I mean...
…that’s the crux of the issue right here. The trouble is we’re going to need a lot of new refs to replace the ones that are relieved of their jobs because they are completely incompetent. But, yeah, I agree with you, it comes down to quality of officiating. Some nights refs seem so scared to miss anything head related that they’re making things up to call (last night), and others they’re letting blatant swipes to the head go (Malkin-Giroux from the other night, or Pacioretty-Letang from a couple of weeks ago). There’s no consistency whatsoever.
by Hatt the Moople on Dec 11, 2011 4:45 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Defensemen Grades
Kyle 4, Post 2. Beautiful shot!
Running grade averages will be typed in +/- post in next couple days.
Streit: D. Pretty poor game by Streit. Some bad mishandles of the puck. Didn’t look solid on his skates either.
Staios: C. Decent.
Hamonic: C-. After the give-away goal, he was earning his way back towards a respectable grade, and then was ejected.
Jurcina: B. Definitely one of Jurcina’s best. Even without the goal he may have had a B-.
Mottau: C. Played decently before and after Hamonic was thrown out.
Reese: C. Same as Mottau.
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Rolston was particularly dreadful. Made one nice decision on the PP, though. But 3 or 4 pretty bad ones…. Did Reasoner play tonight? I don’t remember hearing his name.
Bailey looked very good again. Ullstrom too. And KO. And, to a lesser degree, Wallace and Martin.
Montoya was clearly off his game. Two sub-par games in a row for Al. Give him a rest Tuesday and go back to him Thursday + Saturday unless the other goalie is great on Tuesday.
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by North Dakota Red Eagle on Dec 11, 2011 12:27 AM EST reply actions
I thought this one of Streit's worst games this year. He looked really bad and uneasy.
Not sure if the crowd booing got to him, but the later it got the worse he looked.
What do you mean they won 4 cups in a row? Is that possible?
Streit looks like a guy
who’s trying his best, but is playing hurt
and we need him so badly
by Cary K on Dec 11, 2011 9:47 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I think
we should call up de Haan & Wishart as a combo
even if only to take the pressure of Streit for a while – he likely needs a blow – fantasy groin pull anyone?
this way he might actually get through the season – the alternative is wearing him down
I'll take almost any call-up to replace mottau right now.
What do you mean they won 4 cups in a row? Is that possible?
And Rolston off the PK is right. I can't believe how many bad PP games he can have and still be on the unit.
He also wanders way too much for a point man during the PP. Nielsen/others had to cover for him multiple times tonight.
What do you mean they won 4 cups in a row? Is that possible?
he belongs either in the Press Box
or in Southern Connecticut
by Cary K on Dec 11, 2011 9:48 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
OH YEAH!! [Kool Aid Man busts through wall]
The Hamonic penalty exists almost on a plane by itself. It will be studied and analyzed for the ages, like the Zapruder film or that grainy Bigfoot footage used on every History Channel show ever. It will be an eternal example of how an awful call change a game.
But, there are a few other things I take away from this game. One, the Islanders have a long way to go before they can skate with the Penguins on a regular basis. It doesn’t matter who’s in, who’s out or who’s hurt. That is a very deep, very aggressive, well-coached team that uses a full court press at all times. Even with a 2-0 lead, I saw Islanders pressured every time they touched the puck. While they did spend a good amount of time in the Penguins’ end in the first period, it was hard work getting in there and keeping possession. Other teams must hate playing against them because they are, literally, in your face the second the puck hits your stick. I’d appreciate it more if I didn’t despise them so much.
Two, Montoya had no shot on either of the first two goals. The third was preventable. Then the wheels fell off the entire team, including Al. I wouldn’t be surprised if the plan was to play Poulin in Montreal regardless of how this game turned out. That’s a plan I can endorse. Al deserves a night off because…
Three, the Islanders have had a good run lately, picking up points in tight games against some quality opponents. Al’s been huge in every one, some guys who started cold got their grooves back, and the team has played smart, solid hockey. It wasn’t going to last forever. The unfortunate thing was that it had to end in such a grotesque way.
Tonight got ugly and the stink will linger for some time. They lost focus and the game went from competitive to one-sided in a hurry. Down one very important man, (two if you count MacDonald) the D was asked to run when they could barely walk. But I’m more concerned with how they play Monday night and if they can truly put it behind them and pick up where they left off last week. Tonight had to be one of the more bizarre games I’ve watched in a long time. Best thing for them to do would be to forget it ever happened.
Oh, and four, thanks to Dom and Co. for creating a supportive and passionate website without resorting to frat boy nonsense like we saw in the +/- thread. If I wanted to experience that kind of horseshit, I’d wear my Fisherman jersey to a bar to watch games there.
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by PGI on Dec 11, 2011 1:02 AM EST reply actions 3 recs
Terrible call
And other than the first, a pretty terrible game. Even the top line looked a little shitty (Tavares included, his stickhandling wasn’t very superstarish) and I recall noticing them not taking a shift for a six minute stretch before the end of the second… was it a break or was Cappy showing them the bench?
Regardless, I have a letter for the Islanders coaching and management staff:
Dear Jack and Garth,
I appreciate what you two have done with this team with your limited resources, and despite some questionable decisions (yes, I’m looking at you Jack, Mike Mottau does not belong in the NHL, let alone defending a 5-on-3) I have a ton of faith in the system that you are preaching.
That said, I request two things from you two: Doug Weight’s immediate removal from PP duties. I like him as a coach, but teams figure his system out very early in the game and he has no other options, leaving our PP units to dance around late in the game when PP conversions would really help. Going 1-for-7 tonight doesn’t help much either, and neither does not converting at all against one of the worst PKs in the league against Chicago.
Also, I think I speak for most fans when I ask – beg, even – that Brian Rolston doesn’t wear an Islanders uniform for much longer. He doesn’t just not belong on the PP, he doesn’t belong, period. He has looked dreadful, old, sluggish, uninterested, and useless out there. His 35+ contract counts in Bridgeport, and no one in the right mind would pick up his $5 million salary, so please waive his ancient, crusty ass and make some room for some younger blood, for a player who actually wants to be here. While you’re at it, maybe send Mottau down, too. He wouldn’t be too sorely missed.
That’s all I ask.
Yours truly,
sayvillelax94
by sayvillelax94 on Dec 11, 2011 1:36 AM EST reply actions 3 recs
I apologize for any grammatical mistakes
or any unnecessary repitition of words. It’s very late.
by sayvillelax94 on Dec 11, 2011 1:40 AM EST up reply actions
does anyone know a way
To determine the isles record over the last 2 seasons with Haley in the lineup? Just sayin…..
by randyboyd on Dec 11, 2011 8:43 AM EST via mobile reply actions
2-1-1 this season
Looks like 11-10-6 last season. Includes last few games when defense was weaker than it was last night (on paper).
I don’t think Haley would have been the difference last night.
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by North Dakota Red Eagle on Dec 11, 2011 9:01 AM EST up reply actions
Haley would need to be a top 4 d-man
To have made a difference last night. If you want to argue that Haley should be in for Rolston or Reasoner, I’ll buy it. Put Haley on the fourth line for Martin, move Martin up to Bailey’s line with Ullstrom…that’s a stronger lineup IMO.
you get my point
He is not a magic man, but he brings grit and energy and plays responsibly in his own end. With the team struggling, and with a guy like reasoner not showing very much, why not insert (and let play for a while) a guy who seems to make a difference to the bottom line?
by randyboyd on Dec 11, 2011 11:38 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
I always miss the ineteresting games.
And naturally i forgot to DVR it.
About the ref, I’ll just add that if Hamonic did actally hit with the elbow and drew blood, and the refs didn’t call it because they were unsure about what happened, I think we can all agree what hell they’d be catching today. And what hell we’d be catching for being the same old goons we were for as long as anyone can remember (aka “last year”).
So the fact they gave the penalty doesn’t particularly surprise me (although everyone’s points about benefit of the doubt and replay are very sound), but Shannahan better at least issue another video explaining why no further action is necessary. While he’s at it, he should use some language to indirectly criticize the officials (“as you can clearly see, the elbow was down the whole time,” etc.), since we all know the league will never actually directly admit their officials made a mistake.
I’ll update FIGs when i get home later this evening. My sister has to be elsewhere today, and my mom is baking her Christmas cookies today (a large enough quantity to feed a huge family tree plus hand out some to others), so I’ve been drafted to help. This will likely end up like an episode of I Love Lucy, complete with eating a few as I go and at least one sheet of cookies flying in the air.
Oh, Ricky…. Waaaaaaah!
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by ICanSeeForIslesAndIsles on Dec 11, 2011 9:52 AM EST reply actions
Because that games was ...
so affected by one the most glaring examples of incompetence by an official in any sport I’ve ever seen, I can take away some positives from a loss. The reawakening of Bailey and Okposo is encouraging, but even more eye opening was Ullstrom’s goal. Gotta admit, I knew almost nothing of the player before the talk about him immediately prior to his callup, but Howie Rose was dead on when he labeled that ‘a goal-scorer’s goal.’ The kid turn on the jets, powered his way on a perfect angle to the net and whipped a laser of a shot right into his spot. I’m really anxious to see what that guy does over the next bunch of games.
by dose on Dec 11, 2011 10:04 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
My anger has subsided a little bit
But I can’t help but think it’s almost futile to cheer for this team.
Not only are we undermanned when it comes to location, money and an arena, it’s now become painfully obvious we are playing against the refs too.
I watched very little NHL hockey after the lockout until last season. I still went to my minor league games, and watched them whenever they would come on tv, and I watched any televised Isles games, which was very few. I still watched the olympics, but not the NHL.
After the amazing 2010 olympics, i decided to start watching again. I fell in love with Isles all over again last season. I’ve even stuck up for the NHL this season as they have tried to stop concussions. i get it, I’m no maniac, and take no pleasure in seeing a man who might be a father a husband and at the very least somebody’s son lying there with their brain falling out of their head.
But then i realized that it doesn’t matter where you hit, how you hit or when you hit. It’s really about who you are, and who you hit. Malkin can swing his elbow at soembody’s head, and not one word is said about it, yet a great young player like Travis Hamonic, who has shown nothing but class, dedication and a will to get better and learn gets thrown out of the game on a call that the ref didn’t even see be committed. He was looking at the fucking goal!! How do you turn around, and throw that kid out of that game, when you’re not even sure what you saw? To err is human, to ruin 1,000s of people nights because you think something might have happened is inexcusable, and when added to the other crap we have seen this season, isles fans have to start asking themselves what is going on? Save me the consipracy theories too , because if you don’t think they take better care of the Bruins, Pens and Canucks, you ain’t watching.
Not surprising, seeing Buttman came from the NBA where acting like it’s all about one or two guys on each team, ruined the league. It’s happening now. Crosby can’t stay healthy, and the game is going to suffer because of it. They have been throwing suspensions around and making questionable officiating calls since he missed time last year. Now he’s out again, and look at the call in last night’s game? You can call it coincidence, or say they started this after Savard’s injury, but I ain’t buying. i think it’s mosty to do with Sid being out almost a year. he’s their money maker (The pens are on versus 15 yimes this year) we all know that.
I guess I started babbling, sorry. I just can’t believe this. Now I know, that it’s not the only reason we lost, and Al played his worst game for us, and the defense was awful, even with Hammer they weren’t playing so well. Maybe that makes it worse. We weren’t playing our best and still were beating the Pens. Don’t tell me watching their best d-man skate off the ice for no reason didn’t have something to do with how they played.
P.S. Anybody see how NHL on the Fly didn’t make any mention of this horiffic call?
Shocker.
"We can't get pushed around," Haley said. "What commentators say about us, that's their job. My job is to try and limit as many people who want to take liberties with our guys as possible."
by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Dec 11, 2011 10:36 AM EST reply actions 4 recs
I really really wanted this Hamonic call to be called out by the NHL analysts, but I have yet to seen it.
If this happened to any of the top teams, Pens specifically, this would have been talked about for a week and that ref(s) would be suspended for at least a game I’d guess.
What do you mean they won 4 cups in a row? Is that possible?
they did mention it on TSN
during the game recap
everybody "wong" chung tonight
by potvins_cups on Dec 11, 2011 4:00 PM EST up reply actions
Billy Jaffe was on it with the Hockey Night Live guys too
And I thought Ken Daneyko was going to storm the league offices. He seemed genuinely ticked off.
We may be in the box, but you get the penalty.
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by mikb on Dec 11, 2011 7:24 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Kenny often has the Isles back.
Let Us Go, Islanders! (Ever notice how strange that sounds without the contraction?)
by TheMetalChick on Dec 11, 2011 8:15 PM EST up reply actions
I love Daneyko
That guy is real, no bs with him. I love how he makes fun of Maloney and them when they talk about banning fighting.
He was right last night too.
"We can't get pushed around," Haley said. "What commentators say about us, that's their job. My job is to try and limit as many people who want to take liberties with our guys as possible."
by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Dec 11, 2011 9:26 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, I like Daneyko, too
I wasn’t expecting much when he joined the MSG team, but he’s very refreshing, honest and funny. And it’s nice to hear from someone who’s accomplished something in his career, too.
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by PGI on Dec 11, 2011 10:22 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Ken Daneyko is great.
Ive met him and talked with him twice- and he is just as nice & fun in person as he seems on HNL.
Let Us Go, Islanders! (Ever notice how strange that sounds without the contraction?)
by TheMetalChick on Dec 12, 2011 12:04 AM EST up reply actions
I would've asked him
Dude, man to man, do you ever want to punch Maloney on live tv?
"We can't get pushed around," Haley said. "What commentators say about us, that's their job. My job is to try and limit as many people who want to take liberties with our guys as possible."
by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Dec 12, 2011 1:13 AM EST up reply actions
LOL- first time I talked with him was before Maloney/HNL was a thing. It was after a Devs/Isles afternoon game at the Rock. We were waiting around in Newark for some NJ friends to meet us and take us out to dinner, and we didnt want to go anywhere because it was- well, Newark. He came out after the game and was smoking a big cigar. We went over to him and started BSing with him, and he was great (the Devs won that game, that probably put him in a good mood too lol). The second time was this fall at an MSG fundraiser. I wound up talking to him for a while and told him that Isles fans love him, too. He said he was so glad about that and genuinely seemed happy about it. He was so nice, and he actually has about as much of a soft spot for the Isles as anyone could possibly have for a team in his hometeams own division. He is really outgoing and talks to fans on Twitter, too. Such a cool guy.
Let Us Go, Islanders! (Ever notice how strange that sounds without the contraction?)
by TheMetalChick on Dec 12, 2011 1:48 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah, all I could really ask for I guess given it's against the isles who are in the bottom of the east.
What do you mean they won 4 cups in a row? Is that possible?
it’s now become painfully obvious we are playing against the refs too.
I’m not willing to take this tack. Just last game we got a boatload of calls against a team that has won the Cup recently and is loaded with star talent.
I’m not saying that call last night wasn’t an abomination, but there are bad calls on a nightly basis.
Don't make me bring out the Silky.
Idk I feel like we get the shaft more than others
to the point where when the game is properly officiated or we get a call our way there’s genuine surprise by our fans (at least the ones that post here, who I think are generally pretty level headed)
You wouldn't believe how good the Corsi is for my NHL 12 Be A Pro player.
When we got the call in OT against the Flyers to get the 4 - 3 the organ player played hallelluiah
"We can't get pushed around," Haley said. "What commentators say about us, that's their job. My job is to try and limit as many people who want to take liberties with our guys as possible."
by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Dec 11, 2011 9:23 PM EST up reply actions
Oddly enough
…this season I feel like the Isles got the best calls in the 2 games against the Rangers (2 of 3?). Even one of the games at MSG I feel like the Isles got the better of the calls.
But I remember that 3 of the first 4 home games I thought the Isles clearly had the worse of the calls in each game. (Almost to the point where I felt the Isles were targeted.) After that, I didn’t feel the Isles were shafted all that much, aside from the two brutal calls on Hamonic (puck-over-glass being the 1st).
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by North Dakota Red Eagle on Dec 12, 2011 12:16 AM EST up reply actions
In that same Hamonic OT over the glass delusion that put the Isles down 4-on-3, they also threw Nielsen out of the FO- and he was the only forward on the ice. It was adding insult to unfair injury and IMO is yet another example of how refs can fuck a team over.
Let Us Go, Islanders! (Ever notice how strange that sounds without the contraction?)
by TheMetalChick on Dec 12, 2011 12:20 AM EST up reply actions
good call, forget about Fransy getting tossed
"We can't get pushed around," Haley said. "What commentators say about us, that's their job. My job is to try and limit as many people who want to take liberties with our guys as possible."
by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Dec 12, 2011 1:15 AM EST up reply actions
GOD that got me angry.
Hell, Im still complaining about it.
Let Us Go, Islanders! (Ever notice how strange that sounds without the contraction?)
by TheMetalChick on Dec 12, 2011 1:42 AM EST up reply actions
Here's a question
Doesn’t every Match (5 & a game) penalty automatically get sent to Mount Shanaban for supplemental review? It will be interesting to read the reasons for not giving a suspension for what was obviously seen and called by the referees as a deliberate hit to the head with injury. How does he (and I have faith that he will) make a written/video determination for no supplemental discipline without pointing out the obvious fact that the refs blew this one in a huge way.
STOP effin' messin' with my FnGO!!
by Nova Scotia Isles Fan on Dec 11, 2011 11:01 AM EST reply actions
It's reviewed, I believe, but I don't think there has to be a statement, according to the system.
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by North Dakota Red Eagle on Dec 11, 2011 4:09 PM EST up reply actions
I watched the game with no sound...
In a Louisville sports bar, on the Indiana border, right after the IU-UK game. So we missed about ten minutes of the first period. 2-0 Isles. The only goals I saw as they happened were the Penguiin goals, as my buddy has a knack for asking questions just as something is about to happen…
Anyway… I missed what happened in the Hamonic incident until they replayed it. I saw them escorting him to the dressing room, and tried to get as much info as possible. All I can say is WOW.
I haven’t had time to read through the rest of these posts, as I am getting ready to depart the great state of KY. Dom pretty much summed it up… but I will add this:
As a referee there should be a certain degree of wrong you allow yourself to be. He obviously missed the TRUTH, and was assuming cause and affect. So now that we know how BLATANTLY he missed the call why did he go to the EXTREME of punishment.
If Travis had elbowed Orpick then the ELBOWING should have been CLEAR to the referee…. it couldn’t be, because IT DIDN’T HAPPEN. So he made a call where he was assuming what had happened, and the effect that his assumption had caused. That is the epitome of officiating mistakes. He needed to give Travis the double minor, and they would discuss what happened after the game.
THIS is why as fans we can pretty much ASSUME an ANTI-ISLANDER, or PRO-PENGUIN bias. Officials miss calls, it happens… but when they miss them and compound their error with superlative jackassery… I think it’s safe to say somewhere in their subconscious the “KEEP SYD’S TEAM IN THE PLAYOFFS” video that they are shown repeatedly while they sleep at the summer meetings are making their way into their decision making process.
It is truly an US against THEM thing…
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by JPinVA on Dec 11, 2011 11:10 AM EST reply actions 2 recs
Ullstrom Drives the Net - Amen
That was no COZO! That’s the shot Blake should have been taking instead or orbiting the zone. He may not have scored a lot, but shots on net have a better chance of going in than no shot at all.
by 19holekc on Dec 11, 2011 11:46 AM EST via mobile reply actions 2 recs
While there is plenty to criticize the isles for in that game, I officially hope Sydney Crosby never dresses again because of his injury. An injury that the league allows to happen because of letting the wheel of justice run things for so long.
Can one be an atheist toward a hockey team? That means I have NO faith anymore.
by Turgeon1992 on Dec 11, 2011 12:24 PM EST via mobile reply actions
On this note, the knee on knee with kunitz isn't the reason he is out.
In the Bruins game Crosby was hit hard a few times they said and wasn’t feeling 100%. It obviously sounds like some “concussion-like” symptoms coming back, but I’m not certain. They aren’t really talking about it, but crosby feeling woozy/ill/hurt isn’t pointing signs in the right direction for them.
Here’s 1 of the hits(head contact):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D6mFQi_ZOcc
Here’s the Kunitz hit
What do you mean they won 4 cups in a row? Is that possible?
Kunitz hit:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qo4CUjkFv3E
What do you mean they won 4 cups in a row? Is that possible?
I can't agree
No man should lose his living that way.
I may not be fond of the refs right now, but the Penguins really didn’t do anything wrong there. They don’t get the option of declining the penalty. All they can do is keep playing same as the Isles – or in this case, exactly the opposite as the Isles, who seemed to deflate like a cheap souffle after Dupuis’ goal broke the tie.
But even if Orpik cut himselfon the ice with a thumbtack like a pro wrestler, doesn’t mean that Sid Crosby should lose his career from a concussion. It’s bad for the whole league to lose a marquee player like that. It’s also a damned shame for a hockey fan to not get to see a man of his abilities on the ice. Last and most important, the guy loves hockey and it sucks that he can’t play. I feel as badly for him as I do for Marc Savard or the Lindros brothers.
We may be in the box, but you get the penalty.
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by mikb on Dec 11, 2011 7:31 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
I 2nd this notion. But I hope Sid tests free agency(if he ever stays healthy) after next year.
Honestly, the Pens organization is the reason he is in this situation. They cleared him for that Tampa game where Hedman gave him his 2nd concussion and he should have never been playing in their. I’d leave if I were him. Win another cup somewhere else and sell some more jerseys in another uni.
What do you mean they won 4 cups in a row? Is that possible?
When bylsma called that timeout...
and his team won a defensive zone faceoff, rushed into our zone on a 4-2 rush, and fired one off the inner part of the post and then past al, i couldnt help but think we were out coached. no doubt, they’re way more talented then we are, it was just frustrating to see a set play work out so flawlessly for them.
everybody "wong" chung tonight
Baily and Ullstrom are a nice combo
Rolston needs to sit !!!!
by Best Thing Going on Dec 11, 2011 5:28 PM EST reply actions
Just think what next year's forward group will be like...
…without Devils and with Kabanov, Petrov, Strome, Nino, Dibo, Cizikas, and Ullstrom all a year older and competing for spots in the lineup. If I were any of these guys, I’d call up John Tavares every day this offseason asking if I can work on my skating and core strength with him. If Isles can have half of these prospects on a similar training routine, Isles are going to be miserable to play against next season.
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by North Dakota Red Eagle on Dec 12, 2011 12:34 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
There would be no need ...
for Gary Bettman to call all the officials and directly tell them to favor the top tier teams – especially Pittsburgh because Crobsy is their meal ticket – for that kind of tilt to happen. If you read Scorecasting you know – if you didn’t already – that calls in all sports are influenced by things other than what the offical saw, or thinks he or she saw. I’m not saying Bettman didn’t make that call – nothing sleazy, slimy or crooked that anyone in any field of endeavor does surprises me – but it wouldn’t be necessary for the kind of mockery of a sham of a travesty of a mockery of a sham that we saw last night to have been more than just a fluke.
But, if the Islanders are getting jobbed – because they’re not a top team , or some other reason – I would hope they channel the anger (I hope) it gives them into their play. Call it a ‘us against the world’ mentality or whatever, but it can work, and it has to start with the coach. Based on what I see of Capuano’s demeanor though, I’m not sure that’s gonna happen.

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