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Post-Game +/-: Penguins 6, Islanders 3

The Islanders opened a 2-0 lead -- David Ullstrom's second NHL goal, Milan Jurcina's second of the season -- but gave it up by the end of the first. Kyle Okposo bought them one more lead (3-2) in the second, but then Travis Hamonic was tossed for an "elbow" and the Penguins scored the next four goals (mostly by a buncha guys you don't like, don't like at all), and the team folded.

Al Montoya's roughest night as an Islander? Possibly. Opportunity missed? Probably. In front of 15,638 at the Coliseum, the Islanders scored their share, but gave up more than their share to a squad missing Sidney Crosby, Jordan Staal, some big defensemen -- and even while keeping remaining known center Evgeni Malkin mostly at bay.

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Fuller, more thoughtful recap to come later from Keith (that was the plan unless this game went over 200 PIM -- then we'd call in Pens fan favorite Mark D). This is just our post-game plus/minus thread for your instant analysis with short-form praise and critiques for the night that was -- comments for those who watched, and impressions for the lurkers who didn't.

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You beat me to it

This clip needs to be seen as much as possible. Who knows, someone might care.

by Paumanok on Dec 10, 2011 9:45 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Do they take a bit of the blame

for suspending for injuries and not hits most of the time?

"We can't get pushed around," Haley said. "What commentators say about us, that's their job. My job is to try and limit as many people who want to take liberties with our guys as possible."

by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Dec 10, 2011 10:00 PM EST up reply actions  

These stupid refs are the ones who need the warnings.

I am sick of phantom calls- phantom elbows, phantom boarding, phantom delay of game, the PRESUMPTIONS that these refs make infuriate me- they dont even LOOK at a call and have the balls to punish a player for what they didnt even see!

Let Us Go, Islanders! (Ever notice how strange that sounds without the contraction?)

by TheMetalChick on Dec 10, 2011 11:10 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Stupid presumptuous refs... I think thats the explanation.

I dont think they are getting anyhting out of it, I just think they are presumptuous idiots.

They give the benefit of the doubt to the Pens…not just with the Isles, either.
And they FAR too often presume that the Isles are making mistakes.

It really pisses me off.

Let Us Go, Islanders! (Ever notice how strange that sounds without the contraction?)

by TheMetalChick on Dec 10, 2011 11:23 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Agreed. Pens are loved by the league.

What do you mean they won 4 cups in a row? Is that possible?

by OzzyFan on Dec 10, 2011 11:26 PM EST up reply actions  

Frigging rediculous.

1-It’s a questionable elbow.
2-Orpik acts his ass off.
3-Thrown out of the game and given a 5min major for a questionable penalty? Wow.

Fuck the refs, they cost us the game when they made this call, it was the clear turning point in th game. I don’t like saying the refs cost us a game either, because usually it’s rare to directly or indirectly blame them, but this was definitely one of those times. We were up when this penalty happened. Crazy.

All I can say from this is, I hope those Pen bitches realize Orpik is an Oscar worthy actor that won them this game with his acting, and not just that. He didn’t only act, he spent time in the locker room after this. I guess him and Talbot shared a bunk when they were together in Pitt.

What do you mean they won 4 cups in a row? Is that possible?

by OzzyFan on Dec 10, 2011 10:31 PM EST up reply actions  

Time for Poulin to start on Tuesday?

Montoya’s been having a great season, but I think he could use a bit of a break right now, especially after a game like tonight when he got shellacked.

All else I can say is that this game was completely fucked once Hamonic got kicked out. Fuck the refs, I’m going to angrily punch something.

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by Fabtraption on Dec 10, 2011 9:43 PM EST reply actions  

Isles turned into jello after that call.

That does not happen with teams with TEH GRITZ.

You only figure 8 once.

by The Black Map on Dec 10, 2011 9:44 PM EST reply actions  

They are young and might be a little less resilient that teams like the Pens...

But they shouldn’t be subject to this bullshit every sing fucking night….

by KO21 on Dec 10, 2011 10:05 PM EST up reply actions   2 recs

Glad to see even a Rags fan agrees with this.

If it makes you feel any better, I now hate the Penguins more than your team. So…congrats.

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by Fabtraption on Dec 10, 2011 9:49 PM EST up reply actions  

lol

Im with ya there…I literally hate the Pens more than any other team….

by KO21 on Dec 10, 2011 10:06 PM EST up reply actions  

I've been that way since last year

They don;t have anybody as unlikeable as Malkin, Crosby, The Flower not to mention Mario and his river of tears.

"We can't get pushed around," Haley said. "What commentators say about us, that's their job. My job is to try and limit as many people who want to take liberties with our guys as possible."

by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Dec 10, 2011 10:07 PM EST up reply actions  

Me too.

I absolutely HATE the Penguins- right from their whiny hypocrite of an owner to their DQ players and right down to their annoying, self-entitled, myopic “the NHL didnt exist before 2005” fans.

Let Us Go, Islanders! (Ever notice how strange that sounds without the contraction?)

by TheMetalChick on Dec 10, 2011 11:00 PM EST up reply actions   2 recs

was there an NHL before 2005?

oh yeah, all those soulless Europeans with helmets – I’d forgotten

by Cary K on Dec 10, 2011 11:20 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Oh really?

You forget the fact that the refs gave the Isles SEVEN penalties and failed to capitalize on all but one. Not to mention the Isles had a two goal lead and squandered it. Oh did I also forget to mention that the Pens were playing the game with half of their team out with injuries and still won by three goals. But yeah, you go blame the NHL for the loss and not the Isles.

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by Bradley James McEachern on Dec 10, 2011 10:09 PM EST up reply actions  

Hey i'm not whining about my team's injuries at all. Your putting words in my mouth

I’m just saying that with all the injuries we have had to our top guys, a team like the Isles could of very well come in and beat us and they could of when they went up 2-0 in the first period but then they squandered the lead and we would up winning the game 6-3. What i’m saying is the Pens won the game outright, it had nothing to do with the NHL. That’s in your little tinfoiled head.

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by Bradley James McEachern on Dec 10, 2011 10:22 PM EST up reply actions  

Was that a bullshit call or not?

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by Fabtraption on Dec 10, 2011 10:24 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Hard to say

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by Bradley James McEachern on Dec 10, 2011 10:29 PM EST up reply actions  

Probably just f&%ing with you

He’s gone now – hopefully to work on a new signature.

Success was survival and, kid, it still is

by IslesFanInNJ on Dec 10, 2011 10:35 PM EST up reply actions  

What city hasn't been creating legends and history in sports?

Typcial Pittsburgh sports fan. Oblivious to anything but his own team.

"We can't get pushed around," Haley said. "What commentators say about us, that's their job. My job is to try and limit as many people who want to take liberties with our guys as possible."

by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Dec 10, 2011 10:44 PM EST up reply actions  

Hamonic elbowed Orpik, iot wad a fair call to me.

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by Bradley James McEachern on Dec 10, 2011 10:35 PM EST up reply actions  

Frickin Pens homers.

Its almost like they arent even fans of the sport, just of their own team.
Newsflash: NO REAL HOCKEY FANS would openly defend such a BS call. None! It was crap, and any fan of hockey knows it.

Let Us Go, Islanders! (Ever notice how strange that sounds without the contraction?)

by TheMetalChick on Dec 10, 2011 10:43 PM EST up reply actions  

Primonti's in Pittsburgh

they make a good sandwich – goes well with a beer

that is all

by Cary K on Dec 10, 2011 11:22 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

But you have to go to the original one

down in the strip.

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by JW1970 on Dec 11, 2011 12:49 PM EST up reply actions  

Hard to say?

"We can't get pushed around," Haley said. "What commentators say about us, that's their job. My job is to try and limit as many people who want to take liberties with our guys as possible."

by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Dec 10, 2011 10:35 PM EST up reply actions  

And I didn't say anyting about the NHL

You did bring up the injuries though – yeah, your team played well and they also got a whole lot of help from a ridiculously bad call. Instead of being classy and admitting it, you’re trying to defend it or say that wasn’t why the Isles lost? Well, it wasn’t the only reason, but it was a big reason – so either admit it or just go home already.

by Lawbot13 on Dec 10, 2011 10:26 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

I brought up the injuries

Because even with all the problems you still couldn’t beat up. Quite the opposite actually.

I don’t think there was anything wrong with what Malkin did on Giroux. I decided to comment on this site because of the BS going around about why we won and the Isles got their butts kicked. The NHL or the refs had nothing to do with this. The Islanders not bringing it for 60 minutes and blowing a 2 goal lead did. But hey go put on your tinfoil hats and blame Bettman for all your problem.

Face the facts we own you, we have won 23 out of the last 29 contests and it has nothing to do with the refs or the league but the fact that we beat you consistantly because we have the talent, skills and goaltending to make it happen.

Have a good night.

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by Bradley James McEachern on Dec 10, 2011 10:35 PM EST up reply actions  

Congrats, you win the internet

If you don’t realize your team gets special treatment because it has players the NHL wants to market – that superstars in ALL sports get calls because they are superstars, and yours get more than their share, I don’t know what to tell you.

Pens own us for now. It wasn’t always that way and it won’t be that way for long. Enjoy it while you can – it won’t last. We’ll see if your back when the Isles start kicking the penguin’s asses.

by Lawbot13 on Dec 10, 2011 10:39 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Whiny Mario’s statue should neatly dispel any remnants of those memories still left in their minds.

The Penguins have always beat the Islanders.

Let Us Go, Islanders! (Ever notice how strange that sounds without the contraction?)

by TheMetalChick on Dec 10, 2011 11:03 PM EST up reply actions  

Youll forget all about that once you see the statue.

Mario dominated the Isles, you see.

Let Us Go, Islanders! (Ever notice how strange that sounds without the contraction?)

by TheMetalChick on Dec 10, 2011 11:25 PM EST up reply actions  

Are you one of those fans that thought the Pittsburgh Penguins were the penguins at your local zoo until 2005?

I cannot wait until the day we take the next step forward and bury your sorry asses into the ground. You come and comment on a site just to troll and act tough and in reality you’re coming off as a jackass. You don’t belong here, congratulations on winning 23 of 29.

Did we play like shit in the third? Absolutely. Do you have to come on here and tell us that you won the Crosby sweepstakes by playing like shit for five years? Not at all.

So you have a good night, jackass.

by sayvillelax94 on Dec 11, 2011 1:11 AM EST up reply actions  

I don’t think there was anything wrong with what Malkin did on Giroux.

Wow. You don’t think throwing an elbow nowhere near the play is bad?

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by ToddtheFox on Dec 11, 2011 4:48 AM EST up reply actions  

No, nobody is saying we lost because of that

We are saying they make it hard for our young team to win by doing ridiculous things like that.

Btw, while you’re here can you tell me why they are suspending everybody on earth for head shots, but we ain’t heard a peep about this? Your reply is expected, and thanks in advance:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rh9EenqzdtM

"We can't get pushed around," Haley said. "What commentators say about us, that's their job. My job is to try and limit as many people who want to take liberties with our guys as possible."

by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Dec 10, 2011 10:27 PM EST up reply actions  

forget all that for a minute

How about, calls like this on a regular basis are unjust? That even if the Isles win tonight, it’s not fair in any way to have their players penalized and ejected for no cause? That’s the point.

We may be in the box, but you get the penalty.
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by mikb on Dec 10, 2011 10:29 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Where is he?

Come take your owning like a True Mario Warrior would.

"We can't get pushed around," Haley said. "What commentators say about us, that's their job. My job is to try and limit as many people who want to take liberties with our guys as possible."

by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Dec 10, 2011 10:31 PM EST up reply actions  

He's putting words in your mouth because he's not sure why you care

That phantom call was shitty — plain and simple. We are bitching about it (even fans of our most hated rival is chiming in — go figure). Get over it and talk about your own team, on your own blog.

Success was survival and, kid, it still is

by IslesFanInNJ on Dec 10, 2011 10:29 PM EST up reply actions  

Sure give us some PPs early in the game

Then screw us worse than you could screw us. I think I would rather see JT get thrown out than Hammer.

defend that crap. Please.

"We can't get pushed around," Haley said. "What commentators say about us, that's their job. My job is to try and limit as many people who want to take liberties with our guys as possible."

by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Dec 10, 2011 10:18 PM EST up reply actions  

What you said made absolutely no sense

Espically since the refs gave the Isles a 4 minute PP at the end of the game. Yeah they really screw the Isles by doing that.

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by Bradley James McEachern on Dec 10, 2011 10:24 PM EST up reply actions  

don't forget...

to add more fuel to the fire, there was also an icing that wasn’t called because our dman actually touched the puck first. not the pens forward.

this game was complete horseshit. isles actually played well for the most part. moulson and pap were invisible. no andy mac. KO and bailey played great. defense was cut down especially because of that lame ass call.

i must say this: even without crosby, letang, and staal, the pens are so deep that they can still win many games without their top guys. when the isles don’t have hamonic and andy mac, their entire blue line doesn’t stand a chance. this is why the pens injuries argument is flawed. pittsburgh fans can’t complain. the NHL actually favors and protects your team based on the mere fact that crosby, malkin, and MAF are the faces of the league. you can’t blame the league for making this a priority, but you can’t ignore the facts.

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by gukid17 on Dec 10, 2011 11:09 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Don't ban him 'til he answers my question.

"We can't get pushed around," Haley said. "What commentators say about us, that's their job. My job is to try and limit as many people who want to take liberties with our guys as possible."

by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Dec 10, 2011 10:28 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

So a meaningless double minor at the end of the game makes up for a gamechanging major that threw out our best d-man out of the game on an invisible penalty?

You are really good at math. Thank God you are Pitt fan, I’d be ashamed as fuck to have you rooting for my team. Go back to Shittsburgh blog where you belong.

What do you mean they won 4 cups in a row? Is that possible?

by OzzyFan on Dec 10, 2011 10:42 PM EST up reply actions   2 recs

Blow it out your 5-hole.

If you dont see the favoritism your team is given, you are absolutely delusional.
Malkin can do anything he wants- get instigator penalties at the end of games, throw retaliatory elbows, anything- and he is in the next game. Your teams players get away with it- and you dont even have the good sense to just ignore it and be happy with your aided voctories. No, you have to literally troll other teams and spew your delusions here? Unreal.

Let Us Go, Islanders! (Ever notice how strange that sounds without the contraction?)

by TheMetalChick on Dec 10, 2011 11:08 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Yeah, even with the NHL's Queen out, Staal, and 2 of their top 4 d-men, the refs find a way to change the tempo to get them a W.

I really wanna hear that refs gathering conversation after the Hamonic “elbow”. Because somebody said give him 5mins and toss him, which is beyond rediculous given what happened on the play.

What do you mean they won 4 cups in a row? Is that possible?

by OzzyFan on Dec 10, 2011 10:41 PM EST up reply actions  

Stop blaming the refs

Pens had 2 PP’s and scored once while the Isles had 7 PP’s and scored once. Moulson and Streit were awful. Montoya looked out of gas. Caps needs to do a better job mixing up the lines. Ullstom having only 10:28 of ice time is a joke.

by rickrays on Dec 10, 2011 9:49 PM EST reply actions  

Well it's all connected

If you poison the game with that sort of thing, this is what is likely to happen. Not automatically, perhaps, but that affects the flow and momentum of the game.

by Paumanok on Dec 10, 2011 9:57 PM EST up reply actions  

Just an excuse

The facts point to the Isles being lousy tonight and the refs had little impact.

by rickrays on Dec 10, 2011 11:02 PM EST up reply actions  

Offense sucked too, afterrwards

rickrays has a point. Now, offense may have sucked because the D was a shell of itself without Hamonic, but hard to say. What happened to the good old days when we could just blame DiPietro?

Success was survival and, kid, it still is

by IslesFanInNJ on Dec 10, 2011 11:25 PM EST up reply actions  

LOL!!!!!!!

Let Us Go, Islanders! (Ever notice how strange that sounds without the contraction?)

by TheMetalChick on Dec 10, 2011 11:26 PM EST up reply actions  

Do people forget Bettman came from the NBA?

"We can't get pushed around," Haley said. "What commentators say about us, that's their job. My job is to try and limit as many people who want to take liberties with our guys as possible."

by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Dec 10, 2011 10:03 PM EST up reply actions  

Freak stat of the night

Mottau 16:00 of ice time and was even.

by rickrays on Dec 10, 2011 9:57 PM EST reply actions  

Hamonic getting kicked out in the 2nd period will do that.

What do you mean they won 4 cups in a row? Is that possible?

by OzzyFan on Dec 10, 2011 10:35 PM EST up reply actions  

The Isles need to call attention to this

Like said above the more people who see it, the better it is.

"We can't get pushed around," Haley said. "What commentators say about us, that's their job. My job is to try and limit as many people who want to take liberties with our guys as possible."

by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Dec 10, 2011 10:10 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

MINUS for the NHL's officiating...

- The Isles for folding in the face of adversity…
- The refs are effectively training the Isles to NOT be physical or hit…This is 2 games in a row where the Isles made a nice hockey play by taking the body but ended up getting penalized for it…How are they supposed to take that?If I was the coach Id be fucking pissed…The coach preaches that they need to hit and be physical but when they do look what happens…How can you win in this league?

by KO21 on Dec 10, 2011 10:12 PM EST reply actions  

When is the coach going to get pissed about it?

"We can't get pushed around," Haley said. "What commentators say about us, that's their job. My job is to try and limit as many people who want to take liberties with our guys as possible."

by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Dec 10, 2011 10:13 PM EST up reply actions  

Good question...

But when he voiced his displeasure last year he started to get fucked even more…Isles can not win in this league…

by KO21 on Dec 10, 2011 10:16 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

I think i now know why i stopped watching the NHL until last season.

Since the lockout.

"We can't get pushed around," Haley said. "What commentators say about us, that's their job. My job is to try and limit as many people who want to take liberties with our guys as possible."

by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Dec 10, 2011 10:21 PM EST up reply actions  

Running Total and D Grades

Kyle 4, Post 2. Beautiful shot!

Running grade averages will be typed in +/- post in next couple days.

Streit: D. Pretty poor game by Streit. Some bad mishandles of the puck. Didn’t look solid on his skates either.
2.914 (27 games played)

Staios: C. Decent.
2.237 (27)

Hamonic: C-. After the give-away goal, he was earning his way back towards a respectable grade, and then was ejected.
3.132 (27)

Jurcina: B. Definitely one of Jurcina’s best. Even without the goal he may have had a B-.
2.116 (18)

Mottau: C. Played decently before and after Hamonic was thrown out.
1.888 (20)

Reese: C. Same as Mottau.
2.140 (5)

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